Oct 14, 2024 City Council Study Session 10/14/2024

VERY GOOD.

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THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULAR MEETING.

UH, WELCOME

[ Call to Order]

CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE? MAYOR HARTKE.

HERE, VICE MAYOR HARRIS.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINAS.

HERE FOR ELLIS.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER POSTED HERE.

WE HAVE A QUORUM.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU.

UH, COUNCIL, WE'VE GOT, UM, A FEW MORE THAN NORMAL OF, UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN CALLED IN FOR PRESENTATION.

THE FIRST

[8. Purchase of Downtown Wayfinding Signage - Phase 1 Move City Council approve the purchase of downtown wayfinding signage, from YESCO, LLC, utilizing the City of Peoria Contract No. P19-0079, in the amount of $167,574. Council Focus Area(s):]

CALLED IN, UH, FOR A BRIEFING BY COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO AND KIM MOYER IS GONNA GIVE THE BRIEFING.

MAYOR COUNCIL, THE ITEM THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY IMPLEMENTS THE FIRST PHASE OF THE DOWNTOWN PEDESTRIAN AND WAYFINDING STUDY.

IN JULY OF 2021, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN AGREEMENT WITH J TWO ENGINEERING AND ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN TO COMPLETE A DOWNTOWN PEDESTRIAN AND WAYFINDING STUDY.

THE STUDY INCLUDED A FOUR STEP APPROACH, IDENTIFYING AND CONFIRMING THE GOALS AND THE NEEDS OF THE PROJECT, STUDYING THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE DOWNTOWN, DEVELOPING DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS, AND PRESENTING THE CITY AND THE STAKEHOLDERS WITH THOSE RESULTS AND FINALIZING THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND PREPARING THE REPORT.

INPUT WAS GATHERED THROUGH AN INTERNAL STAKEHOLDER GROUP, INCLUDING THE DOWNTOWN CHANDLER COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP SURVEYS TO DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES AND TO RESIDENTS.

THE STUDY WAS COMPLETED IN SEPTEMBER OF 22 WITH THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS.

UH, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR, UH, UH, SIGNAGE AND WAY FINDING IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDED GARAGE VEHICULAR SIGNS, DOWNTOWN DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE, PEDESTRIAN IDENTIFIERS, PEDESTRIAN IDENTIFYING SIGNS AND BICYCLE SIGNS, AS WELL AS SOME PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS, UH, IMPROVEMENT RECOMMENDATIONS OF PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, PLACEMAKING AND PEDESTRIAN COMFORT.

PHASE ONE FOCUSES ON DIRECTING VEHICLES AROUND THE DOWNTOWN TO OUR FIVE PARKING GARAGES.

THE SIGNS WILL CREATE A CONSISTENT PARKING SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN AND WILL INCLUDE A TOTAL OF 41 SIGNS, INCLUDING GARAGE INDICATOR IN VEHICULAR SIGNAGE, NAMED GARAGE SIGNAGE ON THE CITY OWNED PARKING GARAGES, INTERIOR GARAGE SIGNAGE, DIRECTING VEHICLES TO OTHER GARAGES IF THE GARAGE IS FULL CROSSWALK SIGNAGE BETWEEN THE CITY HALL AND THE CITY HALL PARKING GARAGE, AND THE BEGINNING OF THE PEDESTRIAN DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE.

THESE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE SIGNAGE THAT WE WILL START TO SEE IN THE DOWNTOWN, CREATING THAT CONSISTENT LOOK AND HELPING PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO IDENTIFY, UH, UH, DIRECTIONALLY WHERE, UH, THE GARAGES ARE.

AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

MAYOR COUNCILMAN LIN.

YOU CALLED THIS ONE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

YEAH, THE ONLY THING, UH, THIS IS GOOD, GOOD STUFF.

I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET FOLKS TO DISPERSE ON THE PARKING, WHICH IS GREAT.

THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU IS, WE HAVE SIGNAGE DOWN THERE NOW.

IS IT BE TOO MANY SIGNS? I KEEP THINKING THAT 60 SONG SIGNS, SIGNS EVERY, NEVERMIND.

WELL, I MEAN, DO WE HAVE TOO MUCH? OR THE SEVENTIES? MAYBE IT'S A ANYWAY, THROUGH THE MAYOR, DO WE HAVE TOO MANY SIGNS DOWN THERE? ARE WE GONNA BE MOVING SOME SIGNS OR WHAT? ABSOLUTELY.

THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.

UH, PART OF THE REASON THAT WE DID THIS STUDY IS QUITE FRANKLY, WE HAVE SIGNAGE EVERYWHERE, RIGHT? UM, AND, BUT WITH A GROWING DOWNTOWN AND THERE'S SO MUCH TO SEE AND DO, AND THERE'S SO MUCH SIGNAGE, I THINK IT SOMETIMES GETS LOST, RIGHT? SO PART OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PEDESTRIAN AND WAYFINDING PLAN WAS TO TAKE DOWN ALL OF THE VARIED PARKING, UH, SIGNAGE AND HAVE A CLEAR, CONSISTENT THEME THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN.

SO OUT OF THESE FIRST INITIAL 41 SIGNS, YOU'LL SEE THE EXACT SAME LOOK AND FEEL.

AND AS WE START IMPLEMENTING PHASES TWO THROUGH AND THREE AND FOUR, UM, THEY WILL ALL BE THE EXACT SAME.

WE WERE SO INSISTENT THAT IF YOU HAPPEN TO LOOK AT, UH, THIS ONE, WE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE SIGNAGE COMING DOWN ARIZONA AVENUE FROM THE SOUTH TO THE NORTH THAT SAYS, LOOK FOR THE P AND IT SAYS BUY FREE GARAGES, BECAUSE THAT CONTINUES TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE HEAR ALL THE TIME.

SO WE ARE MAKING IT VERY LOUD AND CLEAR THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN, THIS IS WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND HERE'S WHERE THE GARAGES ARE.

AND AS THE MAYOR ALWAYS SAYS, THERE'S PLENTY OF FREE PARKING IN DOWNTOWN CHANDLER.

THANK YOU.

YES.

AND THAT'S, UM, WHAT ABOUT PHASE TWO AND THREE? WHAT'S TIME FRAMING ON THAT? UH, UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO

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THIS WILL BE THE PATH MOSTLY FROM CHANDLER BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FRY, SO THAT WHEN WE COME OUT OF THE PARKING GARAGES, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE TO GO TO.

AND, UH, COUNSEL ACTUALLY DID APPROVE FUNDING FOR THAT FOR THIS YEAR.

SO AFTER THE IMPLEMENTATION FOR PHASE ONE, WE WILL IMMEDIATELY GO INTO PHASE TWO, AND WE'LL HAVE THAT COMPLETED IN, UM, 2025.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

YOU WELCOME.

APPRECIATE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON.

I CAN, THANK YOU.

HOW IS THE CAPACITY? I KNOW WE, YOU LIKE TO SAY WE ALWAYS HAVE PLENTY OF FREE PARKING, BUT HOW IS THAT CAPACITY? I KNOW SOME GARAGES FILL UP A LITTLE QUICKER THAN OTHERS.

ABSOLUTELY.

UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, UH, WE ALMOST HAVE THE SAME ISSUE TODAY THAT WE HAD BEFORE THE TWO PARKING GARAGES ON THE WEST SIDE WHERE EVERYBODY WANTS TO PARK ON THE WEST SIDE.

THEY NEED, THEY'RE VERY WELL AWARE OF THE PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT THERE'S THREE PARKING GARAGES THAT ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF ARIZONA AVENUE.

SO WE'VE CONTINUED TO TRY TO EDUCATE AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO TO THE EAST SIDE.

PART OF THE PHASED, UH, SIGNAGE ON PHASE ONE IS, IS THE GARAGE FOLD.

LOOK AT WHERE THE OTHER THREE PARKING GARAGES ARE AND TO TRY TO GET THEM TO CROSS THE STREET.

SO WE'RE HOPING THROUGH, UM, THIS FIRST PHASE THAT WE'RE REALLY GONNA START EDUCATING PEOPLE THAT IT'S NO MORE EXTRA STEPS TO PARK ON THE EAST SIDE THAN IT IS ON THE WEST SIDE.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

COUNSEL, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I JUST HAVE A COMMENT FOR YOU AND, UH, OUR DOWNTOWN CREW.

CONGRATULATIONS.

THE, UH, DOWNTOWN CHANDLER WAS NAMED THE STATE'S BEST FOODIE DESTINATION TODAY.

SO CONGRATULATIONS.

KEEP THOSE SIGNS COMING.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, KIM.

YEP.

NEXT

[10. Introduction and Tentative Adoption of Ordinance No. 5112, Rezoning and Preliminary Development Plan, PLH24-0023 The District Downtown, Located at the Northwest Corner Arizona Avenue and the Loop 202 SanTan Freeway Rezoning Move City Council introduce and tentatively adopt Ordinance No. 5112 approving PLH24-0023 The District Downtown, Rezoning from PAD for mixed use including multi-family, office, and commercial uses permitted under the Community Commercial District (C-2) to PAD for mixed use including multi-family, office, and commercial uses permitted under the Community Commercial District (C-2) and automobile and truck sales with a Mid-Rise Overlay allowing for heights up to 120 feet, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning and Zoning Commission. Preliminary Development Plan Move City Council approve Preliminary Development Plan PLH24-0023 The District Downtown for site layout and conceptual building architecture, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning and Zoning Commission. Council Focus Area(s):]

UM, LOOKING AT THE DISTRICT DOWNTOWN, I'D LIKE TO CALL UP LAUREN SCHUMANN FOR A PRESENTATION.

I SEE BRENNAN'S IN THE BACK IN CASE WE HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, SO, ALRIGHT.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

ALL RIGHT.

ITEM 10, THE DISTRICT DOWNTOWN.

UH, TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF, OF THE PROPERTY, I'M GONNA GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND BEFORE WE GET INTO THE REQUEST.

UM, THE SUBJECT SITE, IT'S LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF ARIZONA AVENUE IN THE SAN TAN 2 0 2, UH, FREEWAY.

UH, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 44.7 ACRES LARGE.

A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THE PROPERTY.

UH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY REZONED IN 1987 FROM A ONE TO PAD PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT FOR OFFICE RETAIL, UH, UH, HOTEL MULTIFAMILY, UH, AS WELL AS A CONVENTION CENTER.

AND IT WAS PART OF A LARGER MASTER PLAN, INCLUDING THE MULTIFAMILY TO THE WEST.

UH, IN 1989, THE ZONING WAS EXTENDED SINCE NOTHING WAS BUILT, AND THE PROPERTY WAS VESTED IN 2000 WHEN THE, UH, MULTIFAMILY ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED.

FAST FORWARD TO 2007, UH, THE PROPERTY RECEIVED, UH, ZONING AMENDMENT.

UH, THEY REZONED THE PROPERTY TO PAD TO ALLOW FOR OFFICE RETAIL AND HOTEL.

THEY, A MID-RISE OVERLAY WAS APPROVED OVER THE ENTIRE SITE, ALLOWING FOR BUILDINGS UP TO 120 FEET OVER THE ENTIRE SITE.

UH, BUILDINGS NOT OUTLINED IN A COLOR, UH, WERE PROPOSED UNDER PHASE ONE.

PHASE TWO WOULD BE THE BUILDINGS OUTLINED IN YELLOW, UH, WITH PHASE THREE BEING READ.

UH, PHASE THREE DID REQUIRE A SEPARATE PDP FOR THE FUTURE HOTEL IN 2012.

UH, THEY CAME BACK TO REVISE THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR SITE LAYOUT AND, UH, BUILDING ARCHITECTURE.

THEY WANTED TO MOVE A PARKING GARAGE TO BE MORE CENTRALIZED WITHIN THE, THE PROPERTY.

AND THEY SHIFTED A HOTEL TO THE EAST, AND IT WAS APPROVED FOR SEVEN STORIES.

UNDER THIS CASE.

THERE WERE PHASING STIPULATIONS.

UH, THE PHASING PLAN INCLUDED, UH, UNDER THE FIRST PHASE, 12,000 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE BUILT UNDER THE SECOND PHASE.

NO MORE THAN FOUR PADS WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO AN OFFICE BUILDING.

AND THE LAST ONE, NO MORE THAN SIX PADS, WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE SECOND OFFICE BUILDING OR HOTEL BEING CONSTRUCTED.

UH, AS OF TODAY, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTIES CURRENTLY ZONED, UH, THE CASE RECEIVED ENTITLEMENT, UH, TWO YEARS AGO IN NOVEMBER OF 2022.

UH, IT'S THE SITE PLAN BEFORE YOU, IT

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UM, HERE'S THE SITE PLAN.

THERE WERE, UH, SETBACKS WERE REDUCED WITHIN THIS CASE TO ALLOW FOR 30 FEET ALONG PECOS AND ARIZONA AVENUE.

WITHIN THIS CASE, THERE WERE STIPULATIONS ADDED REGARDING THE PHASING PLAN.

UH, IN ORDER FOR THE FIRST PHASE OF PARCEL FIVE MULTIFAMILY TO DEVELOP OUTLINES IN BLACK, A PORTION OF THE OFFICE BUILDINGS OUTLINED IN BACK BLACK WOULD NEED TO BE, UH, COMPLETED AND RECEIVE.

UH, THE CO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT MUST OCCUR BEFORE ANY MULTIFAMILY AND A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION FOR THE SAME, OR FOR THE COMMERCIAL MUST OCCUR BEFORE, OR AT THE SAME TIME FOR THAT MULTIFAMILY.

IN ORDER TO UNLOCK THE SECOND PHASE OF MULTIFAMILY, ALL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG ARIZONA AVENUE HAD TO BE COMPLETED AND RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION BEFORE A PERMIT COULD BE PULLED FOR THE MULTIFAMILY.

SO BEFORE YOU TODAY, WE COME BEFORE YOU WITH A REQUEST THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING.

UH, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF WORDS WITHIN THAT REZONING, BUT IN REALITY, IT'S TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY OFFICE COMMERCIAL USES, WHICH ARE PERMITTED UNDER COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL C TWO TYPE USES, AS WELL AS ADD, UH, ON THE SITE PLAN.

I'VE INDICATED ADD, UH, AUTOMOTIVE AND TRUCK SALES, WHICH ISN'T PERMITTED BY W RIGHT UNDER C TWO.

UH, IT'S PERMITTED BY W RIGHT UNDER C3.

SO THE ADDITION OF THAT ADDITIONAL USE HAS BEEN ADDED.

THE APPLICANT ALSO REQUESTS THAT, UH, UH, CONDITIONS REGARDING PHASING AND, UH, ON THE PREVIOUS CASE BE ELIMINATED.

UH, THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS ALSO BEEN AMENDED TO SHOW THAT THE FIRST PHASE OF MULTIFAMILY IS NO LONGER A, UH, UH, GARAGE WRAP DEVELOPMENT, BUT SURFACE PARKED, UH, HERE'S A COMPARISON.

ON THE LEFT SIDE IS THE 2002 APPROVED PLAN, AND THE REQUEST IS ON THE RIGHT.

UH, THEY'RE STILL REQUESTING THE SAME AMOUNT OF UNITS, BUT AS I STATED, THE CURRENT PLAN SHOWS THE FIRST PHASE OF MULTIFAMILY TO BE SURFACE, SURFACE PARKED.

UM, THEY'VE RE, UH, DECREASED THE AMOUNT OF OFFICE BUILDING FROM FOUR BUILDINGS TO TWO BUILDINGS.

UH, THEY REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF RETAIL AT THE CORNER, UH, BUT THEY ARE NOW PROPOSING, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF TWO AUTOMOTIVE, UH, VEHICLE SALES AND TRUCK SALES.

AND THEY'VE INCREASED IT TO ALLOW FOR TWO HOTELS UNDER THE CURRENT SUBMITTAL.

UH, A STIPULATION HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE CASE TO STIP THAT, UM, ONLY FRANCHISE DEALERSHIPS WOULD BE PERMITTED WITHIN, UH, THE, THE PROPERTY INDICATED FOR THE PHASING PLAN.

UH, THE, THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, PROVIDED, UH, LANDSCAPING ALONG THE STREET.

AN INTERNAL DRIVE WOULD BE PULLED AT THE TIME OF A FIRST PERMIT FOR DEVELOPMENT.

UH, PHASE TWO INDICATED ON THIS PLAN WOULD REALLY BE PHASE ONE BECAUSE THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE REQUIRED WITH WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT CAME FIRST.

UH, THE APPLICANT WAS REQUESTING THAT FUTURE PHASES, UH, BE BUILT UPON MARKET DEMAND AT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

UH, THIS ITEM WAS PULLED FOR AN ACTION ITEM FROM THE CHAIR, UH, WITH CONCERNS REGARDING THE PHASING AND THE TYPES OF USES THAT WOULD OCCUR AT THE DOWNTOWN GATEWAY.

UM, IN ORDER TO, UM, ADDRESS THE PHASING CONCERNS, THE APPLICANT DID MODIFY ONE OF THE STEPS.

THERE IS AIP THAT SAYS, UH, THE SECOND PHASE OF MULTIFAMILY DOES REQUIRE A SEPARATE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR TO COME BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL AND TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND THE STIPULATION HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO SAY THAT, UM, A SEPARATE PDP SHALL BE REQUIRED, UM, AND IT CANNOT BE PULLED UNTIL ONE HOTEL.

AND 75% OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN PHASE TWO HAVE RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION.

AS I SAID, THIS WENT BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

UH, IT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL FIVE TO ONE WITH THE CHAIR, UH, RECOMMENDING DENIAL.

UM, STAFF HAS STIPULATIONS IN PLACE REGARDING THE TYPES OF USES AND WHERE THEY COULD OCCUR.

UH, THERE'S STIPULATIONS REGARDING THE HIGH QUALITY OF DESIGN.

IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.

AND WITH THAT, I OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

UM, I'VE GOT A FEW.

SO TO START, UH, FROM SHIFTING FROM C TWO TO C3, UH, WHAT ELSE

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UM, IT, THE SITE WOULD ONLY ALLOW FOR C TWO TYPE USES AND, UH, THE ADDITION OF AUTOMOTIVE AND TRUCK SALES.

OKAY.

SO NOT GENERIC C THREES.

OKAY.

UM, OBVIOUSLY I, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS SITE SINCE I WAS FIRST APPOINTED BACK IN THE 2008 WITH DIFFERENT MODELS, AND WE'VE SEEN QUITE A, THROUGH QUITE A FEW FROM A LOT MORE, UM, OFFICE OR, UH, RETAIL AT ONE POINT A CONVENTION CENTER TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHICH IS, UH, SUBSTANTIAL MORE MULTI-HOUSING.

I GUESS ONE OF MY BIG QUESTIONS IS WHAT IS TO GUARANTEE THAT, UM, ANYTHING OTHER THAN PHASE ONE GETS BUILT ON THIS? THE PICTURES HAVE CHANGED, BUT THAT CONCEPT, WITHOUT HIM CUPPING THIS TO, UH, THE OTHER THINGS BEING BUILT, WHAT, WHAT GUARANTEES ARE THERE? MAYOR, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, AND I WOULD HAVE TO DIRECT IT TO THE APPLICANT WHO'S REQUESTING TO REMOVE THE STIPULATIONS OF PHASING.

OKAY.

SO BY REMOVING THAT STIPULATION, IT ALLOWS FOR PHASE ONE TO BE BUILT AND THEN PUT, PUTS HANDCUFFS ON THAT, THAT CENTER, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX.

BUT TERMS OF EVERYTHING ELSE, WHETHER THESE PICTURES CHANGE OR, OR ANYTHING ELSE, THERE IS NO SPECIFIC STATEMENT, UH, OTHER THAN THE, THE PICTURES THAT WE SEE THAT THESE WILL HAPPEN.

AM I RIGHT OR WRONG ON THAT? UH, THAT IS CORRECT, MAYOR.

OKAY.

UM, I'M GONNA CALL BRENDA UP, BUT FIRST LET ME SEE IF ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAS ANY QUESTIONS WITH LAUREN BEFORE WE FURTHER CONVERSATION.

NO, I DON'T HAVE THE SAME QUESTION YOU HAVE.

OKAY.

UM, THANK YOU, LAUREN.

OF COURSE.

UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. RAY.

HOW ARE YOU? GOOD EVENING MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UH, BRENNAN RAY, 1850 NORTH CENTRAL HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

UM, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS.

UM, THIS HAS CERTAINLY BEEN A PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN IN FOR A WHILE, AND IT, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT RECEIVED THEIR RECOGNITION TONIGHT BECAUSE WE DON'T GET TO THIS POINT WITHOUT WORKING HAND IN GLOVE WITH THEM TO ENSURE IT INCLUDING A TWO HOUR, UH, SIT DOWN MEETING WITH MR. MAYO, UH, TO GO OVER THE SITE PLAN AND CHANGES TO IT.

BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE QUESTION, I, I, I THINK AS WE LOOK AT THIS, IT'S NOT A REMOVAL OF THE RESTRICTIONS, IT'S AN EXCHANGE.

UM, BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT BALANCING, UM, WHAT, UH, THE COUNCIL DESIRES WITH THE MARKET GOVERNMENT REGULATION VERSUS ALLOWING THE FREE MARKET TO, TO DO WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO.

AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE, UM, WE'VE TRIED OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST TWO YEARS TO ADDRESS, UM, THE INITIAL CONCERNS AND HAVEN'T HAD MUCH SUCCESS GIVEN THE STIPULATIONS THAT EXISTED, UH, FROM THE PRIOR APPROVAL.

AND SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT IS A SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES.

UM, I CANNOT STAND UP HERE AND GIVE A GUARANTEE AND, AND I WILL NOT.

UM, THIS COUNCIL HAS HAD OTHER PEOPLE STAND UP AND GIVE GUARANTEES AS TO THINGS, AND THOSE HAVE NOT WORKED OUT.

AND I AM NOT GOING TO BE ONE THAT IS GOING TO GO DOWN THAT PATH.

BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS GIVE A NUMBER OF REASONABLE ASSURANCES BASED ON THE TOOLS THAT IS AT YOUR DISPOSAL, THAT IS AT OUR DISPOSAL TO ENSURE AGAIN, THAT THERE IS A SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES IN PLACE.

BECAUSE AS WE'VE GONE THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, AND AS YOU ALLUDED TO MAYOR, THE QUESTION THAT'S COME UP IS, HOW DO WE KNOW SOMETHING'S GONNA GET BUILT? WELL, IF I KNEW THAT WITH CERTAINTY, I WOULDN'T BE BEFORE YOU.

I'D BE ON A BEACH PROBABLY DRINKING A COKE, UH, MAYBE WITH SOME ICE IN IT, UH, AND RELAXING THERE.

UM, I WOULD NOT BE BEFORE YOU.

BUT NEVERTHELESS, AS WE LOOK AT IT, UM, AND TALK ABOUT REALLY MULTIFAMILY, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE COMMENT I'VE HEARD AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE HAVE A GUARANTEE THAT NO MORE MULTIFAMILY ISN'T GONNA JUST SPREAD ACROSS THE ENTIRE SITE? AND SO YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS, INCLUDING STIPULATION NUMBER ONE AND REZONING IN THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

WE'VE GOT WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET, A SITE PLAN THAT IDENTIFIES WHERE THE LAND USES CAN BE.

WE'VE GOT AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS RESIDENTIAL IS ONLY PERMITTED ON TWO PARCELS WITHIN IT.

AND THEN, UM, AS LAUREN INDICATED, WE DO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION IN THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT REQUIRES A SEPARATE APPLICATION, CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR MULTI-FAMILY ON PHASE FOUR, ON PARCEL FOUR.

SO

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REQUIRE ME TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

THERE'S A QUESTION THAT'S COME RELATIVE TO AUTO DEALERSHIPS.

WHAT'S THE CERTAINTY THAT WE HAVE FOR AUTO DEALERSHIPS? AND IF I NEED TO, I'M GONNA GUESS, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, MICAH MIRANDA IS HERE.

WE WERE ON A, UH, ABOUT A 30 OR SO MINUTE CALL.

I BELIEVE MICAH WAS SOMEONE WHO'S REPRESENTING AND WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THE DEALERSHIPS.

AND I CAN GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON THAT.

BUT YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY AS STAFF INDICATED, THERE'S A STIPULATION THAT IS PURSUANT TO STATE STATUTE THAT INDICATES THAT IT'S GOTTA BE A, A NEW DEALERSHIP.

AND AGAIN, THAT ENTIRE PROCESS DEALERSHIPS ARE HEAVILY REGULATED BY STATE STATUTE ON THE PROCESS OF LOCATING AND RELOCATING DEALERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO AGAIN, ANY CHANGES TO THAT? I'VE GOTTA COME BACK TO YOU.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PHASING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU CAN SEE ON THERE THAT AGAIN, THERE'S A NUMBER OF STIPULATIONS, THE DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET, PHASING PLAN LANGUAGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET.

UM, AGAIN, A STIPULATION AND THEN INCLUDING A REVISED STIPULATION, UM, THAT WAS WORKED OUT WITH THE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IT REQUIRED THAT WE BUILD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, OF THE DEVELOPMENT BEFORE I CAN EVEN FILE AN APPLICATION ON THE MULTIFAMILY.

YOU ALL KNOW YOU'VE HAD MANY PEOPLE COME TO YOU, MANY CASES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN BEFORE YOU, THAT HAVE TALKED ABOUT MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO THERE IS CERTAINLY A HUGE INCENTIVE FOR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO GO FORWARD.

BUT AGAIN, WE'VE PLACED A SERIES OF CHECKS AND BALANCES SO THAT THIS COUNCIL, THAT THE PUBLIC ALSO KNOWS THAT, UH, I JUST CAN'T GO BUILD THE MULTIFAMILY AND WALK AWAY, UM, BECAUSE OF THE INCENTIVE.

UM, THEN THE CHECKS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN IN HERE ADDITIONALLY, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A NEW STIPULATION TONIGHT ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT I'VE GOT PULL A BUILDING PERMIT ON NON-RESIDENTIAL USES WITH 18 MONTHS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS REZONING ORDINANCE.

BECAUSE THE CHALLENGE THAT WE FACED IS THAT THERE WAS A NUMBER OF HANDCUFFS THAT WERE TIED TO THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO WHERE LENDERS WOULD NOT LEND ON IT.

NO ONE WANTED TO MAKE THAT SUBSTANTIAL OF INVESTMENT INTO PROPERTY THAT WAS SO HEAVILY ENCUMBERED AS IT WAS BEFORE.

YET THIS, I BELIEVE, AGAIN, DOESN'T REMOVE THE RESTRICTION.

I GUESS TECHNICALLY YOU COULD SAY IT DOES, BUT WE'VE TRIED TO BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE AND GIVE YOU REASONABLE ASSURANCES AS BEST WE CAN, THAT WE KNOW THE MARKET CAN SUPPORT IT.

UH, AND THAT'S WHY AS WE LOOK AT THIS, THAT'S THAT AREA OUTLINED IN BLACK, UM, WHICH WOULD BE APPLICABLE, UH, UM, TO IT.

SO, UM, AGAIN, AS WE, AS WE KIND OF LOOK AT IT, WE, WE THINK THAT WE'VE, WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF EXCHANGING, IF YOU WILL, THE REQUIREMENTS WITH A SERIES OF CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT ARE, UM, GIVE, I BELIEVE YOU ALL THE ASSURANCE AS TO HOW THINGS CAN BE WITHOUT PUTTING A STRANGLEHOLD SO THAT NOTHING GETS BUILT ON IT.

SO I'LL START, UM, I RESPECTFULLY, WHAT YOU ARE ASKING US IS, IS TO REMOVE THE HANDCUFFS OFF THE FIRST, NOT JUST MOVE THEM ELSEWHERE.

SO IN ORDER BEFORE FOR ORDER TO GET THOSE APARTMENTS BUILT, THERE WAS CONDITIONS THAT OTHER THING.

AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU ARE ASKING TO REMOVE THOSE.

IT'S CLEVER LANGUAGE, BUT IT IS ASKING TO SHIP THOSE ELSEWHERE.

I STILL DON'T KNOW FROM MY REGARD, AND YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS MULTIPLE TIMES, UH, THAT EVEN EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR WHAT YOU, WE, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY AND I, I DID BRING THAT UP TO STAFF, UH, THAT RE THAT REQUEST.

WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO WHAT I, WHAT I, WHAT I DON'T DO? IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE, PLEASE, OR TWO.

YEAH.

WHAT I WOULD NOT WANNA SEE AGAIN IS, IS A BUNCH OF NICE LOOKING PHOTOS THERE.

AND THEN THE VERY TOP RIGHT CORNER HAVE A, UH, A LITTLE COFFEE SHOP.

AND THAT WOULD SATISFY THIS BECAUSE, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD NEED FOR ME TO GET ON BOARD WITH THIS SOME SUBSTANTIAL IN EARNEST GOOD WORK TOWARDS THAT.

SO I WILL THROW OUT, WOULD YOU AGREE TO 25,000 SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT AS PART OF THAT? AND YOU DON'T NEED TO ANSWER ME NOW, BUT I WOULD EXPECT AN ANSWER BEFORE THURSDAY RATHER THAN A THREE FOOT PAD OR A 3000 SQUARE FOOT PAD AND SAYING, I'VE MET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS 18 MONTHS.

WOULD YOU AGREE TO A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT? AND IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE, THE CAR DEALERSHIPS, A HOTEL, SOME OF THESE OTHERS, BUT THE WAY THIS IS CURRENTLY IN LANGUAGE, I, I THINK YOU COULD HAVE A LITTLE COFFEE SHOP OR SOMETHING IN THE CORNER AND SAY, WE'VE MET THE REQUIREMENTS.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD MEET THE INTENTION OF THAT YOU ARE EXPRESSING OR THAT WE WOULD EXPECT.

UH, YES, I WILL DISCUSS THAT WITH MY CLIENT, MAYOR.

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I, I WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT ON THURSDAY OR, OR I WILL BE REQUESTING, UH, A, A CONTINUANCE OF THIS CASE IF, UH, SO I'M, I'M WILLING TO, TO HEAR THAT AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT I, TO ME, I JUST DON'T THINK, UH, AS I MENTIONED, SOMETHING SMALL WITH THIS LANGUAGE WOULD ACHIEVE THE PURPOSES THAT, THAT YOU ARE EXPRESSING.

MAYOR, I WOULD AGREE IN ISOLATION.

UH, ONE COULD CERTAINLY TAKE THAT APPROACH.

I'VE APPEARED BEFORE THIS GROUP MANY TIMES, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT MY INTENTION TO PLAY GAMES WITH YOU OR THE PUBLIC AS IT RELATES TO THIS.

BUT I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT IT IN CONNECTION WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE GOT IN PLACE, THAT ALREADY EXISTS, AGAIN, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE DEALS WITH THAT, WITH A REVISED STIPULATION THAT DOES HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT I CAN'T EVEN, I CAN'T EVEN FILE AN APPLICATION ON MULTIFAMILY UNTIL I'VE COMPLETED 75% OF THE COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE AND, UH, ONE OF THE HOTELS.

UM, SO WHILE, WHILE WE UNDERSTAND, AND AS I, I SAID I WILL VISIT WITH MY CLIENT ABOUT IT, WE FEEL THAT IF YOU LOOK AT IN TOTALITY, AGAIN, ALL THE SERIES OF CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT WE'VE GOT, WE THINK THERE IS CERTAINLY ENOUGH THERE, BUT WE, WE UNDERSTAND AND YOUR COMMENT, AND AS, AS I SAID, I WILL VISIT WITH MY CLIENT, WOULD YOU ALSO AGREE OR AT LEAST DISCUSS WITH YOUR CLIENT WITHIN THAT SHOT CLOCK IF, IF THIS IS NOT MET, THAT THERE COULD BE, UH, UH, SOME SORT OF FINANCIAL INCENTIVE TO FURTHER THAT, WHETHER THAT'S A, A DAILY FEE OR SOMETHING.

SO IF IT DOESN'T REACH WITHIN THAT CERTAIN TIME, PLEASE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL.

'CAUSE AGAIN, I, I SEE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE, BUT TO ME THERE, I SEE ZERO INCENTIVE PAST THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS FIRST APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT YOUR CLIENT COULD EASILY SELL THIS, THE REST OF THIS PROPERTY, AND THEN HE'S DONE WITH IT OR SOMETHING ELSE.

AND THERE'S STILL NO GUARANTEES THAT ANYTHING ELSE COULD HAPPEN.

SO I AM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS PLAN FILLED OUT, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME MORE ASSURANCES, UH, TO THAT WHOLE PROCESS.

SO PLEASE ASK YOUR CLIENT.

I'D LOVE TO, I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THAT ON THURSDAY AS WELL.

MAYOR, I, I WILL ALSO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN REWRITING THE CITY'S CRIMINAL CODE OR CIVIL CODE AS IT RELATES TO VIOLATIONS OF ZONING, ORDINANCES BEING CLASS ONE MISDEMEANORS, BUT I WILL CERTAINLY GET WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND, AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, AGAIN, WITHOUT REWRITING THE, THE CIVIL CODE THERE.

YEAH.

AND I THINK SOME OF THOSE CAN BE TIED TO THE PROPERTY, SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS A, AS A DEMAND BEYOND THAT.

BUT I, I CERTAINLY WOULD WELCOME THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL.

SO, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SO YOU BROUGHT UP THE POINT ABOUT 25,000 SQUARE FOOT OF DEVELOPMENT.

I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE EXACT WORD YOU USED? I'M JUST CLARIFYING, I'M, I'M LOOKING FOR A NUMBER THAT BEFORE ANYTHING WOULD HAPPEN WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME, THAT THERE WOULD BE A, A SUBSTANTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE PULLED AND INITIATED, NOT JUST A, A PAD OF ONE OR 3000.

NO.

AND I'M SAYING, SO IF THEY GOT THE HOTEL BUILT, WOULD THAT SATISFY THE REQUIREMENT? I'M TRYING TO JUST FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.

IF, UM, CHALLENGING.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD APPROACH.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT DEFINITION OF 25,000 SQUARE FOOT, 'CAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU.

I DON'T WANNA SEE A COFFEE SHOP AND SAY WE'RE DONE.

AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A MAJOR STRUCTURE IN THERE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY.

I WOULD LOOK FOR A MAJOR STRUCTURE THERE.

OKAY.

WHETHER IT'S A DEALERSHIP, WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS MORE THAN A COUPLE SHOPS.

GOT IT.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THE, NECESSARILY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOTELS BEING PROPOSED, SO, OKAY.

YOU WANT TO SEE SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL IN THERE OTHER THAN ONE PAD BEING DEVELOPED IS WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY.

EXACTLY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANKS FOR CLARIFICATION.

COUNCIL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I HAD A QUESTION, MAYOR, CONCERNING THE DEALERSHIPS.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN MIKE, UH, UM, HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH YOU, SIR RAY, THAT, UM, WE DIDN'T, WE WERE NOT SURE THAT THOSE DEALERSHIPS REALLY IN PLAY AND THEY WILL EVER, UM, MANIFEST OR BECAUSE IT ALSO TOOK SO LONG FOR THOSE KINDS OF LICENSES AND EVERYTHING TO BE GIVEN.

AND THE ONES THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED TO US, THEY'VE ALREADY EITHER INTERESTED SOMEWHERE ELSE OR HAVE ALREADY PAID TO MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

WAS THAT THE FACT, OR THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT, UH, I, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.

THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.

SURE.

MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS, THANK YOU.

I'LL CERTAINLY DEFER TO MR. MIRANDA AND SEE IF MY RECOLLECTION OF OUR CONVERSATION IS WRONG.

BUT AS IT RELATES TO, UM, THE, THE THREE DEALERSHIPS, IF YOU WILL, THAT KIND OF STARTED US DOWN THIS PATH TO BEGIN WITH, UH, I HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, AND HE INFORMED ME THAT THOSE, UM, POTENTIAL THREE DEALERSHIPS ARE STILL IN PLAY FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE.

UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF A SITE LANDING, UH, THAT ONE OF THOSE THREE HAD LANDED SOMEWHERE.

BUT AGAIN, UNLESS MR. MIRANDA REMEMBERS DIFFERENTLY

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UM, WHICH ACCORDING TO STATE STATUTE AND THEIR 10 MILE RESTRICTION, AGAIN, THE RULES, AND I, I CAN GET WAY INTO THE WEEDS, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S MEETING, BUT THE RULES FOR A NEW DEALERSHIP VERSUS RELOCATION ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

BUT I THINK ON OUR CONVERSATION, AND MR. MIRANDA CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT WAS CONFIRMED WITH THE, UM, EXPERT, IF YOU WILL, WHO'S DONE 1200 CAR DEALERSHIPS ACROSS THIS NATION, UM, SAID THAT THOSE THREE DEALERSHIPS COULD STILL LOCATE ON THIS SITE.

HE ALSO DID GO ON TO EXPLAIN IT'S KIND OF THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FRANCHISEES AND THE OEMS AS HE REFERRED TO IT, UH, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO THERE IS A PROCESS BY WHICH IT GOES.

I, AGAIN, WE CAN, IF, IF IT'S NECESSARY, GO INTO DETAILS TONIGHT OR, OR WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. MIRANDA TO ENSURE THAT, UM, YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, MAYOR, REAL QUICK? COUNCILOR MEMBER.

YEAH.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE PDB CALLS FOR TWO, AND I UNDERSTAND CHECK FOR THE EGG IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT ZONED, SOMETIMES THE DEALERSHIPS ARE SHYING AWAY, BUT WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT TWO TONIGHT.

STAFF.

IF THERE'S A THIRD ONE, WHICH WE OR INITIALLY HEARD, IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM THERE TO DO THIS? AND DO WE HAVE TO REZONE A PARTICULAR PARCEL AGAIN, SIR? I'LL, I MIGHT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, MAYOR, COUNCILMAN.

WELL, SHE'LL MAKE SURE YOU GET THE RIGHT ANSWER, SO SHE'LL MAKE SURE I GET THE RIGHT ANSWER.

BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE, LET'S JUST USE THE PLAN THAT'S HOPEFULLY, UM, LET'S JUST USE THIS PLAN FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE IN CONNECTION WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND MS SHE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

THIS, THIS PLAN LOCKS IN WHERE THOSE LAND USES ARE.

THAT'S WHY I CAN'T GO SPREAD MULTIFAMILY WILLY, WILLY-NILLY ON SITE.

RIGHT? AND SO WITH THAT BEING THE CASE, THE ONLY PLACE THAT AUTO DEALERSHIPS CAN BE LOCATED ARE IN THE LOCATION, UH, SHOWN ON HERE, THOSE TWO PURPLE BUILDINGS.

SHOULD ANOTHER DEALERSHIP WANNA LAND HERE, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS, AMEND THE ZONING, UM, AMEND THE PDP, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, LOCATE A THIRD DEALERSHIP ON THIS SITE.

IF A THIRD, UH, DEALERSHIP DID EXIST, UM, IT, IF IT FIT IN PARCEL ONE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT COULD BE REVIEWED ADMINISTRATIVELY.

UH, BUT IT HAS TO MEET ALL OF OUR SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

SO THE SETBACKS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED WITHIN THIS CASE, PARKING AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH LANDSCAPING.

AND SO IF A THIRD WAS ABLE TO FIT IN THAT PARCEL ONE, IT COULD BE CONSIDERED ADMINISTRATIVELY.

THAT'S OKAY.

THAT'S NEGOTIABLE.

I GET THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

BUT MY POINT IS, YOU, THERE'S ENOUGH LAND HERE, THERE'S ENOUGH, UM, ON THIS CANVAS, THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM THAT WE COULD CHANGE THIS CANVAS THROUGH, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.

YES, THERE IS.

IT WOULD REQUIRE THE DELETION OF SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF TO MAKE IT THROUGH.

YEAH, I MEAN, QUITE FRANKLY, A SHIP, THERE'S A LOT MORE VALUABLE THAN A COUPLE OF THOSE RETAIL SHOPS.

THAT'S FOR DARN SURE.

SURE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR MR. RAY? ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

WE'LL SEE YOU THURSDAY.

THANK YOU.

NEXT ITEM

[12. Resolution No. 5844, Authorizing an Amended and Restated License Agreement between Crown Castle Fiber, LLC, and the City of Chandler for the Use of Public Property for the Establishment of Class 4 and Class 5 Telecommunications Systems Move City Council pass and adopt Resolution No. 5844, authorizing the Mayor to execute the amended and restated license agreement between Crown Castle Fiber, LLC, and the City of Chandler for the use of facilities in the city’s rights-of-way and public places to establish Class 4 and Class 5 Telecommunications Systems, and authorizing the City Manager or designee to execute other documents as needed to give effect to the agreement. Council Focus Area(s):]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

NORMALLY YOU'D HAVE DENNIS OUST BEFORE YOU, BUT HE'S OFF HAPPILY, UH, CELEBRATING THE WEDDING OF HIS DAUGHTER.

SO YOU HAVE ME THIS EVENING.

I'LL DO MY BEST AS A STAND IN .

SO, MAYOR, MAYOR KEVIN, UM, I DID TALK A LITTLE BIT EARLIER TODAY.

THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM, I'LL SAVE YOU SOME TIME.

IT'S GETTING LATE.

THANK YOU.

THE, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, WHERE ARE WE GONNA DO THESE, UH, CUTS, THE EXPERIMENTAL CUTS? HAVE YOU FIGURED OUT THE LOCATIONS AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO MONITOR THAT AS FAR AS LIVITY? WILL IT BE, 'CAUSE THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE ALL ALONG, IS THAT THE DIFFERENT CUTS AND THE, THE STRIPING AND IS IT GOING TO UPSET THE, UM, THE ASPHALT AND THINGS LIKE THAT? SO I REALLY, I WANNA HONE IN ON THAT NOW THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.

SO AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, UH, THE LOCATIONS ARE, WE'RE CURRENTLY IN DISCUSSIONS WITH CROWN CASTLE ON THE LOCATIONS, UH, HOWEVER, BUT THEY WILL BE LIMITED TO CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY.

THEY WILL NOT BE PERMITTED ON ART ONTARIO ARTERIAL STREETS ONLY LOCAL AND COLLECTOR STREETS.

UH, WE WILL BE MONITORING, SINCE THIS IS A PILOT, UH, STUDY, WE'LL BE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH CROWN CASTLE.

THEY WILL HAVE TO GET APPROPRIATE PERMITS, ENCROACHMENT PERMITS, AND OTHER PERMITS NEEDED IN ORDER TO WORK IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY.

WE'LL BE MONITORING THE INTRODUCTION AND USE OF THEIR TECHNOLOGY, THE MICRO TECH, UH, TRENCHING TECHNOLOGY.

UH, THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO BORE UNDER ANY

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SO IT IS INTENDED TO ONLY BE LIMITED TO ABOUT 10,000 LINEAL FEET.

UH, AND RIGHT NOW, BASED ON CONVERSATIONS TO DATE WITH CROWN CASTLE, THEY WOULD ANTICIPATE STARTING IN SOUTHEAST CHANDLER, AGAIN, ONLY ON LOCAL OR COLLECTIVE STREETS.

AND WE WOULD BE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE MINIMIZING ANY INTERFERENCE WITHIN THE PUBLIC SPACE.

YOU'RE TALKING FOR THE MICRO-TRENCHING APPROXIMATELY SIX INCHES OFF THE CURB IS WHERE THEY WOULD BE DOING THEIR WORK, AGAIN, IN LOCAL OR COLLECTOR STREETS.

AND WE WOULD BE MAKING SURE THAT THEY, UH, THERE'D BE MINIMAL IMPACT TO THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE ROADWAY AND OR TO PEOPLE UTILIZING THE PUBLIC SPACE.

OKAY.

SO IT'S A TIMELINE HERE WHERE CONCERN IS ALWAYS BEEN THE, WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO TO THE STREETS LONG TERM.

AND I GET THAT.

UM, DO YOU HAVE DATA THAT THEY'VE LOOKED IN OTHER AREAS THAT OVER A YEAR THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS? 'CAUSE I CAN SEE THIS HAPPENING.

WE PUT THE 10,000 LINEAR SQUARE FEET IN, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A NEW PROCESS AND TWO YEARS FROM NOW WE FIND A PROBLEM.

HELP ME SOLVE THAT RIDDLE.

THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

SO WE ARE AWARE THAT, UH, THEY HAVE WORKED WITH THE TOWN OF QUEEN CREEK AND HAVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM.

AND WE'LL BE IMPLEMENTING, UH, THIS RAPID, WHAT THEY CALL RAPID CONNECT PROGRAM.

UH, THERE, UH, THIS PILOT PROGRAM STUDY WILL BE, UH, AGAIN, FOR THREE YEARS IN THE CITY, UH, ANY IMPACTS, NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THE RIGHT OF WAY WOULD HAVE TO BE IMMEDIATELY ADDRESSED.

UH, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM.

THEY HAVE TO MEET CITY TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS AND DESIGNS ANY DAMAGE TO THE ROADWAY, ROADWAY THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, THEY PROCEED AT RISK.

AND ALSO THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY WILL BE NUMBER ONE, ALLOWED TO RETAIN THE, UH, TECHNOLOGY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AFTER THE END OF THE PILOT PROGRAM OR EXPAND IT ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY.

SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP A VERY TIGHT CONTROL ON THIS FOR THE VERY POINTS YOU'RE MAKING.

COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE, THIS IS NEW TECHNOLOGY, AT LEAST TO THE CITY, NOT NECESSARILY TO CROWN CASTLE, BUT TO US.

AND WE DO NOT WANT TO, UH, HAVE ANY INSTANCES WHERE IT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE PUBLIC SPACE AND CREATES DAMAGE OR OTHER ISSUES OKAY.

FOR USERS.

SO THE, WE'RE THEY'RE INDEMNIFIED, IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, LEAKAGE, UH, CRACK INTO THE STREET, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

YES.

AND WE'LL BE IMMEDIATELY UPON THAT AND WE'LL BE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THEM, DENNIS AND HIS TEAM.

OKAY.

GONNA BE WORKING IN CLOSE COORDINATION.

THANK YOU.

THANKS, MAYOR.

MAYOR.

COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.

THANK YOU.

AND YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER WE HAD ON OUR 1 0 1, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN DETAIL ABOUT THE, THE TECHNOLOGY BEING ABLE TO LAY THE, THE, UH, THE FIBER FASTER WITH LESS, UH, IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE USED TO BE ABLE TO, WE WOULD DIG UP ROADS AND THEY'D BE CLOSED DOWN FOR WEEKS, AND THIS'LL BE JUST A SCRIPT DOWN THE MIDDLE.

AND SO THIS IS REALLY GOOD THAT, THAT THEY'RE BRINGING THIS FORWARD AS AN INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE CAN USE HERE, UH, TO PUSH THIS FORWARD.

I GUESS WHAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT IS, IS I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THIS IS BEING USED IN COLORADO, WHERE, WHERE THEY HAVE UPS AND DOWNS AND COLD AND HEAT AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

YOU'RE SEEING IT ALREADY BEING USED IN LIKE ELK GROVE, CALIFORNIA IN PLACES LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S PROVEN TECHNOLOGY.

IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

UH, WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF CROWN CASTLE TO GIVE, GIVE A MORE DETAILED EXPLANATION, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAVE UTILIZED THIS TECHNOLOGY IN OTHER LOCALES WITH VARIOUS WEATHER CONDITIONS.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.

UH, SO YES, I BELIEVE THE QUESTION ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS YES.

YEAH.

SO THIS IS GONNA BE A LESS INTRUSIVE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS.

YEAH, WELL, YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT IT BEING A PILOT PROGRAM FOR HOW LONG THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS, UH, THE, IF, IF APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, IT WOULD BE A THREE YEAR PILOT PROGRAM.

OKAY.

AND THAT WHOLE THREE, THREE YEARS, WE'LL BE MONITORING IT AND MAKING SURE THAT, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT WITH THE APPLICANT, WE HAD AN ISSUE IN THE PAST OF THEM, UM, STAYING IN CONTRACT WITH US.

UH, WHAT MAKES ME THINK THAT, UH, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE ANOTHER ISSUE THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS? UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THERE WAS A DISPUTE OVER FEES.

WE WORKED PROACTIVELY WITH CROWN CASTLE, AND I CAN REPORT THAT THEY HAVE SUCCESSFULLY PAID ALL OUTSTANDING FEES TO THE CITY OR IN A GOOD STANDING WITH THE CITY.

UH, WE WILL BE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH, THIS IS A NEW TECHNOLOGY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN PROVEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, IT'S NEW TO US.

SO, UH, DENNIS AND HIS TEAM WILL BE, UH, UH, DOING EXTRA OVERSIGHT ON THIS, WORKING IN CLOSE COORDINATION WITH CROWN CASTLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO NEGATIVE IMPACT.

WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WILL BE THE IMPACT OF THE ROADWAYS.

MM-HMM.

WE EXPECT IT TO BE MINIMAL BASED ON THE MICRO, UH, TRENCHING TECHNOLOGY.

BUT IF THERE IS, UH, MORE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, THEN WE WILL WORK TO IMMEDIATELY ADDRESS THAT WITH CROWN CASTLE.

THAT COULD INCLUDE STOPPING THE WORK.

THAT COULD INCLUDE, UH, OTHER ACTIONS THAT MAY BE NECESSARY.

UH, I THINK THE, THE COUNCIL CAN BE ASSURED THAT WE'LL BE KEEPING A VERY CLOSE EYE ON THIS.

APPRECIATE THAT.

KEVIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I'VE MET, UH, WITH, UH, SOME OF THE PEOPLE, UH, FROM CROWN CASTLE YEARS, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND THEY SEEMS TO BE VERY AMICABLE AND WANTS TO WORK WITH US.

I WAS VERY SURPRISED WHEN I HEARD THAT THEY WERE NOT, YOU KNOW, MEETING THEIR OBLIGATIONS

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BUT I'M GLAD TO HEAR THE REPORT TONIGHT THAT THEY HAVE COME AND, UM, AGREEABLE.

LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND EVERYTHING.

SO LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH THEM.

THANK YOU.

SEEING NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, KEVIN.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, COUNCIL, WE'RE HALFWAY

[14. Agreement No. DS5-918-4808, General Plan Update and Comprehensive Housing Plan Move City Council approve Agreement No. DS5-918-4808, with Logan Simpson Design, Inc., for the General Plan Update and Comprehensive Housing Plan, in the amount of $525,000. Council Focus Area(s):]

IF I COULD HAVE LAUREN SCHUMANN RETURN AND COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO AND POSTON CALLED THIS IN ASKING FOR A BRIEFING.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU AGAIN.

UH, WE'RE EXCITED TO COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.

ITEM 14 ON YOUR AGENDA AS AN AGREEMENT WITH LOGAN SIMPSON DESIGN FOR A GENERAL PLAN AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.

ALRIGHT, TO JUST GIVE YOU A, THE WORD GENERAL PLAN'S BEEN THROWN AROUND A COUPLE OF TIMES THIS EVENING, BUT TO GIVE YOU A, A REMINDER OF WHAT OUR GENERAL PLAN IS, OUR GENERAL PLAN IS A COMPREHENSIVE SET, BROAD POLICIES THAT GUIDES DEVELOPMENT WITHIN OUR CITY.

UH, IT'S A STRATEGIC PLAN, AND IT'S NOT PARCEL SPECIFIC.

THE GENERAL PLAN IS OUR ULTIMATE, WHAT WE WANT OUR CITY TO LOOK LIKE, LOOK LIKE AT ULTIMATE BUILD OUT.

UH, IT TAKES INPUT FROM ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UH, AND HAS COMMUNITY GOALS WITHIN IT.

UH, THE GENERAL PLAN, THE STATE STATUTE REQUIRES THAT WE UPDATE IT EVERY 10 YEARS.

SO PLANNING STAFF IS INITIATING, UH, THE UPDATE OF THE GENERAL PLAN.

THE LAST ONE WAS APPROVED IN 2016, AND IT WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS AT 85.8%, WHICH WAS VERY HIGH.

WE RECEIVED A REWARD FOR THAT, AN AWARD.

UM, SINCE THEN, NO MAJOR OR MINOR, UH, AMENDMENTS HAVE OCCURRED.

UH, PER THE STATE STATUTE, THERE'S 17 DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT THE STATE REQUIRES US TO LOOK AT.

UH, THE GENERAL PLAN IS NOT A JUST A, A PLANNING DOCUMENT.

UH, OTHER DEPARTMENTS, UH, USE, UH, THIS DOCUMENT TO PUT THEIR POLICIES AND GOALS WITHIN IT.

UH, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF FOCUS ON HOUSING, WATER, RESOURCES, UM, AND PER DIRECTION GIVEN BY THE MAYOR.

UM, CONSERVATION, REHABILITATION AND REDEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS, UH, CIRCULATION.

UH, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, UH, UPDATE OUR GENERAL PLAN EVERY 10 YEARS AS IT'S REQUIRED BY THE STATE STATUTE.

BUT WE ALSO WANNA LOOK AT, UH, DEVELOPING TRENDS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL ON TRACK FOR ULTIMATE BUILD OUT AND HOW WE WANT OUR CITY TO DEVELOP.

UH, WE ARE, CITY OF CHANDLER IS APPROACHING BUILD OUT.

WE'RE AT 93% BUILT OUT OF THAT 7% THAT'S REMAINING.

ONLY 3% OF IT IS ENVISIONED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.

UH, SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT TRACK FOR BUILD OUT.

UH, SO TODAY WE COME BEFORE YOU WITH THE, UH, CONTRACT FOR A CONSULTANT.

UM, THE PROPOSAL WAS SENT OUT IN JULY.

UH, WE RECEIVED THREE PROPOSALS, UM, AND ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY IS AN AGREEMENT WITH LOGAN SIMPSON DESIGN AS OUR CONSULTANT.

UH, THIS IS THE KICKOFF REALLY TO THE NEXT TWO YEARS OF OUR, UH, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE.

UM, NEXT STEPS, UH, ONCE APPROVED, UH, ON THURSDAY'S AGENDA, UH, WE DO HAVE A MEETING WITH THE CONSULTANT AND, UH, IMPORTANT IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY, UH, TO START UP, UH, UH, TO IDENTIFY OUR GOALS.

AND AS WELL AS THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO SET UP A RESIDENTIAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

UH, THEY'RE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND VOTED ON BY THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THAT SHOULD BE ON AN AGENDA, UH, BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.