* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. VERY GOOD. [00:00:01] THANK YOU, COUNSEL. THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULAR MEETING. UH, WELCOME [ Call to Order] TO THE OCTOBER 14TH, 2024 STUDY SESSION. CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE? MAYOR HARTKE. HERE, VICE MAYOR HARRIS. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINAS. HERE FOR ELLIS. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER POSTED HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL, WE'VE GOT, UM, A FEW MORE THAN NORMAL OF, UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN CALLED IN FOR PRESENTATION. THE FIRST [8. Purchase of Downtown Wayfinding Signage - Phase 1 Move City Council approve the purchase of downtown wayfinding signage, from YESCO, LLC, utilizing the City of Peoria Contract No. P19-0079, in the amount of $167,574. Council Focus Area(s):] IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, OUR DOWNTOWN WAY FINDING SIGNAGE. CALLED IN, UH, FOR A BRIEFING BY COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO AND KIM MOYER IS GONNA GIVE THE BRIEFING. MAYOR COUNCIL, THE ITEM THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY IMPLEMENTS THE FIRST PHASE OF THE DOWNTOWN PEDESTRIAN AND WAYFINDING STUDY. IN JULY OF 2021, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN AGREEMENT WITH J TWO ENGINEERING AND ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN TO COMPLETE A DOWNTOWN PEDESTRIAN AND WAYFINDING STUDY. THE STUDY INCLUDED A FOUR STEP APPROACH, IDENTIFYING AND CONFIRMING THE GOALS AND THE NEEDS OF THE PROJECT, STUDYING THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE DOWNTOWN, DEVELOPING DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS, AND PRESENTING THE CITY AND THE STAKEHOLDERS WITH THOSE RESULTS AND FINALIZING THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND PREPARING THE REPORT. INPUT WAS GATHERED THROUGH AN INTERNAL STAKEHOLDER GROUP, INCLUDING THE DOWNTOWN CHANDLER COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP SURVEYS TO DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES AND TO RESIDENTS. THE STUDY WAS COMPLETED IN SEPTEMBER OF 22 WITH THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR, UH, UH, SIGNAGE AND WAY FINDING IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDED GARAGE VEHICULAR SIGNS, DOWNTOWN DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE, PEDESTRIAN IDENTIFIERS, PEDESTRIAN IDENTIFYING SIGNS AND BICYCLE SIGNS, AS WELL AS SOME PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS, UH, IMPROVEMENT RECOMMENDATIONS OF PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, PLACEMAKING AND PEDESTRIAN COMFORT. PHASE ONE FOCUSES ON DIRECTING VEHICLES AROUND THE DOWNTOWN TO OUR FIVE PARKING GARAGES. THE SIGNS WILL CREATE A CONSISTENT PARKING SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN AND WILL INCLUDE A TOTAL OF 41 SIGNS, INCLUDING GARAGE INDICATOR IN VEHICULAR SIGNAGE, NAMED GARAGE SIGNAGE ON THE CITY OWNED PARKING GARAGES, INTERIOR GARAGE SIGNAGE, DIRECTING VEHICLES TO OTHER GARAGES IF THE GARAGE IS FULL CROSSWALK SIGNAGE BETWEEN THE CITY HALL AND THE CITY HALL PARKING GARAGE, AND THE BEGINNING OF THE PEDESTRIAN DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE. THESE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE SIGNAGE THAT WE WILL START TO SEE IN THE DOWNTOWN, CREATING THAT CONSISTENT LOOK AND HELPING PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO IDENTIFY, UH, UH, DIRECTIONALLY WHERE, UH, THE GARAGES ARE. AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. MAYOR COUNCILMAN LIN. YOU CALLED THIS ONE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YEAH, THE ONLY THING, UH, THIS IS GOOD, GOOD STUFF. I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET FOLKS TO DISPERSE ON THE PARKING, WHICH IS GREAT. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU IS, WE HAVE SIGNAGE DOWN THERE NOW. IS IT BE TOO MANY SIGNS? I KEEP THINKING THAT 60 SONG SIGNS, SIGNS EVERY, NEVERMIND. WELL, I MEAN, DO WE HAVE TOO MUCH? OR THE SEVENTIES? MAYBE IT'S A ANYWAY, THROUGH THE MAYOR, DO WE HAVE TOO MANY SIGNS DOWN THERE? ARE WE GONNA BE MOVING SOME SIGNS OR WHAT? ABSOLUTELY. THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. UH, PART OF THE REASON THAT WE DID THIS STUDY IS QUITE FRANKLY, WE HAVE SIGNAGE EVERYWHERE, RIGHT? UM, AND, BUT WITH A GROWING DOWNTOWN AND THERE'S SO MUCH TO SEE AND DO, AND THERE'S SO MUCH SIGNAGE, I THINK IT SOMETIMES GETS LOST, RIGHT? SO PART OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PEDESTRIAN AND WAYFINDING PLAN WAS TO TAKE DOWN ALL OF THE VARIED PARKING, UH, SIGNAGE AND HAVE A CLEAR, CONSISTENT THEME THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN. SO OUT OF THESE FIRST INITIAL 41 SIGNS, YOU'LL SEE THE EXACT SAME LOOK AND FEEL. AND AS WE START IMPLEMENTING PHASES TWO THROUGH AND THREE AND FOUR, UM, THEY WILL ALL BE THE EXACT SAME. WE WERE SO INSISTENT THAT IF YOU HAPPEN TO LOOK AT, UH, THIS ONE, WE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE SIGNAGE COMING DOWN ARIZONA AVENUE FROM THE SOUTH TO THE NORTH THAT SAYS, LOOK FOR THE P AND IT SAYS BUY FREE GARAGES, BECAUSE THAT CONTINUES TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE HEAR ALL THE TIME. SO WE ARE MAKING IT VERY LOUD AND CLEAR THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN, THIS IS WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND HERE'S WHERE THE GARAGES ARE. AND AS THE MAYOR ALWAYS SAYS, THERE'S PLENTY OF FREE PARKING IN DOWNTOWN CHANDLER. THANK YOU. YES. AND THAT'S, UM, WHAT ABOUT PHASE TWO AND THREE? WHAT'S TIME FRAMING ON THAT? UH, UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO [00:05:01] PHASE TWO, WE'LL FOCUS ON THE PEDESTRIAN. THIS WILL BE THE PATH MOSTLY FROM CHANDLER BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FRY, SO THAT WHEN WE COME OUT OF THE PARKING GARAGES, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE TO GO TO. AND, UH, COUNSEL ACTUALLY DID APPROVE FUNDING FOR THAT FOR THIS YEAR. SO AFTER THE IMPLEMENTATION FOR PHASE ONE, WE WILL IMMEDIATELY GO INTO PHASE TWO, AND WE'LL HAVE THAT COMPLETED IN, UM, 2025. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU WELCOME. APPRECIATE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON. I CAN, THANK YOU. HOW IS THE CAPACITY? I KNOW WE, YOU LIKE TO SAY WE ALWAYS HAVE PLENTY OF FREE PARKING, BUT HOW IS THAT CAPACITY? I KNOW SOME GARAGES FILL UP A LITTLE QUICKER THAN OTHERS. ABSOLUTELY. UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, UH, WE ALMOST HAVE THE SAME ISSUE TODAY THAT WE HAD BEFORE THE TWO PARKING GARAGES ON THE WEST SIDE WHERE EVERYBODY WANTS TO PARK ON THE WEST SIDE. THEY NEED, THEY'RE VERY WELL AWARE OF THE PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT THERE'S THREE PARKING GARAGES THAT ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF ARIZONA AVENUE. SO WE'VE CONTINUED TO TRY TO EDUCATE AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO TO THE EAST SIDE. PART OF THE PHASED, UH, SIGNAGE ON PHASE ONE IS, IS THE GARAGE FOLD. LOOK AT WHERE THE OTHER THREE PARKING GARAGES ARE AND TO TRY TO GET THEM TO CROSS THE STREET. SO WE'RE HOPING THROUGH, UM, THIS FIRST PHASE THAT WE'RE REALLY GONNA START EDUCATING PEOPLE THAT IT'S NO MORE EXTRA STEPS TO PARK ON THE EAST SIDE THAN IT IS ON THE WEST SIDE. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. COUNSEL, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I JUST HAVE A COMMENT FOR YOU AND, UH, OUR DOWNTOWN CREW. CONGRATULATIONS. THE, UH, DOWNTOWN CHANDLER WAS NAMED THE STATE'S BEST FOODIE DESTINATION TODAY. SO CONGRATULATIONS. KEEP THOSE SIGNS COMING. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, KIM. YEP. NEXT [10. Introduction and Tentative Adoption of Ordinance No. 5112, Rezoning and Preliminary Development Plan, PLH24-0023 The District Downtown, Located at the Northwest Corner Arizona Avenue and the Loop 202 SanTan Freeway Rezoning Move City Council introduce and tentatively adopt Ordinance No. 5112 approving PLH24-0023 The District Downtown, Rezoning from PAD for mixed use including multi-family, office, and commercial uses permitted under the Community Commercial District (C-2) to PAD for mixed use including multi-family, office, and commercial uses permitted under the Community Commercial District (C-2) and automobile and truck sales with a Mid-Rise Overlay allowing for heights up to 120 feet, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning and Zoning Commission. Preliminary Development Plan Move City Council approve Preliminary Development Plan PLH24-0023 The District Downtown for site layout and conceptual building architecture, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning and Zoning Commission. Council Focus Area(s):] ITEM CALLED IN WAS BY ME. UM, LOOKING AT THE DISTRICT DOWNTOWN, I'D LIKE TO CALL UP LAUREN SCHUMANN FOR A PRESENTATION. I SEE BRENNAN'S IN THE BACK IN CASE WE HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, SO, ALRIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 10, THE DISTRICT DOWNTOWN. UH, TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF, OF THE PROPERTY, I'M GONNA GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND BEFORE WE GET INTO THE REQUEST. UM, THE SUBJECT SITE, IT'S LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF ARIZONA AVENUE IN THE SAN TAN 2 0 2, UH, FREEWAY. UH, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 44.7 ACRES LARGE. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THE PROPERTY. UH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY REZONED IN 1987 FROM A ONE TO PAD PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT FOR OFFICE RETAIL, UH, UH, HOTEL MULTIFAMILY, UH, AS WELL AS A CONVENTION CENTER. AND IT WAS PART OF A LARGER MASTER PLAN, INCLUDING THE MULTIFAMILY TO THE WEST. UH, IN 1989, THE ZONING WAS EXTENDED SINCE NOTHING WAS BUILT, AND THE PROPERTY WAS VESTED IN 2000 WHEN THE, UH, MULTIFAMILY ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED. FAST FORWARD TO 2007, UH, THE PROPERTY RECEIVED, UH, ZONING AMENDMENT. UH, THEY REZONED THE PROPERTY TO PAD TO ALLOW FOR OFFICE RETAIL AND HOTEL. THEY, A MID-RISE OVERLAY WAS APPROVED OVER THE ENTIRE SITE, ALLOWING FOR BUILDINGS UP TO 120 FEET OVER THE ENTIRE SITE. UH, BUILDINGS NOT OUTLINED IN A COLOR, UH, WERE PROPOSED UNDER PHASE ONE. PHASE TWO WOULD BE THE BUILDINGS OUTLINED IN YELLOW, UH, WITH PHASE THREE BEING READ. UH, PHASE THREE DID REQUIRE A SEPARATE PDP FOR THE FUTURE HOTEL IN 2012. UH, THEY CAME BACK TO REVISE THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR SITE LAYOUT AND, UH, BUILDING ARCHITECTURE. THEY WANTED TO MOVE A PARKING GARAGE TO BE MORE CENTRALIZED WITHIN THE, THE PROPERTY. AND THEY SHIFTED A HOTEL TO THE EAST, AND IT WAS APPROVED FOR SEVEN STORIES. UNDER THIS CASE. THERE WERE PHASING STIPULATIONS. UH, THE PHASING PLAN INCLUDED, UH, UNDER THE FIRST PHASE, 12,000 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE BUILT UNDER THE SECOND PHASE. NO MORE THAN FOUR PADS WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO AN OFFICE BUILDING. AND THE LAST ONE, NO MORE THAN SIX PADS, WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE SECOND OFFICE BUILDING OR HOTEL BEING CONSTRUCTED. UH, AS OF TODAY, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTIES CURRENTLY ZONED, UH, THE CASE RECEIVED ENTITLEMENT, UH, TWO YEARS AGO IN NOVEMBER OF 2022. UH, IT'S THE SITE PLAN BEFORE YOU, IT [00:10:01] WAS REZONED PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT FOR MIXED USE FOR OFFICE COMMERCIAL, AND IT ADDED A MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT. UM, HERE'S THE SITE PLAN. THERE WERE, UH, SETBACKS WERE REDUCED WITHIN THIS CASE TO ALLOW FOR 30 FEET ALONG PECOS AND ARIZONA AVENUE. WITHIN THIS CASE, THERE WERE STIPULATIONS ADDED REGARDING THE PHASING PLAN. UH, IN ORDER FOR THE FIRST PHASE OF PARCEL FIVE MULTIFAMILY TO DEVELOP OUTLINES IN BLACK, A PORTION OF THE OFFICE BUILDINGS OUTLINED IN BACK BLACK WOULD NEED TO BE, UH, COMPLETED AND RECEIVE. UH, THE CO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT MUST OCCUR BEFORE ANY MULTIFAMILY AND A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION FOR THE SAME, OR FOR THE COMMERCIAL MUST OCCUR BEFORE, OR AT THE SAME TIME FOR THAT MULTIFAMILY. IN ORDER TO UNLOCK THE SECOND PHASE OF MULTIFAMILY, ALL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG ARIZONA AVENUE HAD TO BE COMPLETED AND RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION BEFORE A PERMIT COULD BE PULLED FOR THE MULTIFAMILY. SO BEFORE YOU TODAY, WE COME BEFORE YOU WITH A REQUEST THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING. UH, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF WORDS WITHIN THAT REZONING, BUT IN REALITY, IT'S TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY OFFICE COMMERCIAL USES, WHICH ARE PERMITTED UNDER COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL C TWO TYPE USES, AS WELL AS ADD, UH, ON THE SITE PLAN. I'VE INDICATED ADD, UH, AUTOMOTIVE AND TRUCK SALES, WHICH ISN'T PERMITTED BY W RIGHT UNDER C TWO. UH, IT'S PERMITTED BY W RIGHT UNDER C3. SO THE ADDITION OF THAT ADDITIONAL USE HAS BEEN ADDED. THE APPLICANT ALSO REQUESTS THAT, UH, UH, CONDITIONS REGARDING PHASING AND, UH, ON THE PREVIOUS CASE BE ELIMINATED. UH, THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS ALSO BEEN AMENDED TO SHOW THAT THE FIRST PHASE OF MULTIFAMILY IS NO LONGER A, UH, UH, GARAGE WRAP DEVELOPMENT, BUT SURFACE PARKED, UH, HERE'S A COMPARISON. ON THE LEFT SIDE IS THE 2002 APPROVED PLAN, AND THE REQUEST IS ON THE RIGHT. UH, THEY'RE STILL REQUESTING THE SAME AMOUNT OF UNITS, BUT AS I STATED, THE CURRENT PLAN SHOWS THE FIRST PHASE OF MULTIFAMILY TO BE SURFACE, SURFACE PARKED. UM, THEY'VE RE, UH, DECREASED THE AMOUNT OF OFFICE BUILDING FROM FOUR BUILDINGS TO TWO BUILDINGS. UH, THEY REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF RETAIL AT THE CORNER, UH, BUT THEY ARE NOW PROPOSING, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF TWO AUTOMOTIVE, UH, VEHICLE SALES AND TRUCK SALES. AND THEY'VE INCREASED IT TO ALLOW FOR TWO HOTELS UNDER THE CURRENT SUBMITTAL. UH, A STIPULATION HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE CASE TO STIP THAT, UM, ONLY FRANCHISE DEALERSHIPS WOULD BE PERMITTED WITHIN, UH, THE, THE PROPERTY INDICATED FOR THE PHASING PLAN. UH, THE, THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, PROVIDED, UH, LANDSCAPING ALONG THE STREET. AN INTERNAL DRIVE WOULD BE PULLED AT THE TIME OF A FIRST PERMIT FOR DEVELOPMENT. UH, PHASE TWO INDICATED ON THIS PLAN WOULD REALLY BE PHASE ONE BECAUSE THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE REQUIRED WITH WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT CAME FIRST. UH, THE APPLICANT WAS REQUESTING THAT FUTURE PHASES, UH, BE BUILT UPON MARKET DEMAND AT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. UH, THIS ITEM WAS PULLED FOR AN ACTION ITEM FROM THE CHAIR, UH, WITH CONCERNS REGARDING THE PHASING AND THE TYPES OF USES THAT WOULD OCCUR AT THE DOWNTOWN GATEWAY. UM, IN ORDER TO, UM, ADDRESS THE PHASING CONCERNS, THE APPLICANT DID MODIFY ONE OF THE STEPS. THERE IS AIP THAT SAYS, UH, THE SECOND PHASE OF MULTIFAMILY DOES REQUIRE A SEPARATE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR TO COME BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL AND TO CITY COUNCIL. AND THE STIPULATION HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO SAY THAT, UM, A SEPARATE PDP SHALL BE REQUIRED, UM, AND IT CANNOT BE PULLED UNTIL ONE HOTEL. AND 75% OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN PHASE TWO HAVE RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION. AS I SAID, THIS WENT BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. UH, IT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL FIVE TO ONE WITH THE CHAIR, UH, RECOMMENDING DENIAL. UM, STAFF HAS STIPULATIONS IN PLACE REGARDING THE TYPES OF USES AND WHERE THEY COULD OCCUR. UH, THERE'S STIPULATIONS REGARDING THE HIGH QUALITY OF DESIGN. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. AND WITH THAT, I OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. UM, I'VE GOT A FEW. SO TO START, UH, FROM SHIFTING FROM C TWO TO C3, UH, WHAT ELSE [00:15:01] COULD, COULD POSSIBLY SHOW UP ON THIS SITE? AND IS THAT C3 AREA, JUST THAT BOTTOM FAR, UH, RIGHT QUADRANT, OR DOES THAT EXTEND TO THE ENTIRE SO POSSIBILITIES OF C3 AND IS THAT FOR A SITE SPECIFIC WITHIN THAT OVERALL OR GENERAL TO THE ENTIRE MAYOR? GREAT QUESTION. UM, IT, THE SITE WOULD ONLY ALLOW FOR C TWO TYPE USES AND, UH, THE ADDITION OF AUTOMOTIVE AND TRUCK SALES. OKAY. SO NOT GENERIC C THREES. OKAY. UM, OBVIOUSLY I, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS SITE SINCE I WAS FIRST APPOINTED BACK IN THE 2008 WITH DIFFERENT MODELS, AND WE'VE SEEN QUITE A, THROUGH QUITE A FEW FROM A LOT MORE, UM, OFFICE OR, UH, RETAIL AT ONE POINT A CONVENTION CENTER TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHICH IS, UH, SUBSTANTIAL MORE MULTI-HOUSING. I GUESS ONE OF MY BIG QUESTIONS IS WHAT IS TO GUARANTEE THAT, UM, ANYTHING OTHER THAN PHASE ONE GETS BUILT ON THIS? THE PICTURES HAVE CHANGED, BUT THAT CONCEPT, WITHOUT HIM CUPPING THIS TO, UH, THE OTHER THINGS BEING BUILT, WHAT, WHAT GUARANTEES ARE THERE? MAYOR, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, AND I WOULD HAVE TO DIRECT IT TO THE APPLICANT WHO'S REQUESTING TO REMOVE THE STIPULATIONS OF PHASING. OKAY. SO BY REMOVING THAT STIPULATION, IT ALLOWS FOR PHASE ONE TO BE BUILT AND THEN PUT, PUTS HANDCUFFS ON THAT, THAT CENTER, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX. BUT TERMS OF EVERYTHING ELSE, WHETHER THESE PICTURES CHANGE OR, OR ANYTHING ELSE, THERE IS NO SPECIFIC STATEMENT, UH, OTHER THAN THE, THE PICTURES THAT WE SEE THAT THESE WILL HAPPEN. AM I RIGHT OR WRONG ON THAT? UH, THAT IS CORRECT, MAYOR. OKAY. UM, I'M GONNA CALL BRENDA UP, BUT FIRST LET ME SEE IF ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAS ANY QUESTIONS WITH LAUREN BEFORE WE FURTHER CONVERSATION. NO, I DON'T HAVE THE SAME QUESTION YOU HAVE. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU, LAUREN. OF COURSE. UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. RAY. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD EVENING MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UH, BRENNAN RAY, 1850 NORTH CENTRAL HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. UM, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. UM, THIS HAS CERTAINLY BEEN A PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN IN FOR A WHILE, AND IT, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT RECEIVED THEIR RECOGNITION TONIGHT BECAUSE WE DON'T GET TO THIS POINT WITHOUT WORKING HAND IN GLOVE WITH THEM TO ENSURE IT INCLUDING A TWO HOUR, UH, SIT DOWN MEETING WITH MR. MAYO, UH, TO GO OVER THE SITE PLAN AND CHANGES TO IT. BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE QUESTION, I, I, I THINK AS WE LOOK AT THIS, IT'S NOT A REMOVAL OF THE RESTRICTIONS, IT'S AN EXCHANGE. UM, BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT BALANCING, UM, WHAT, UH, THE COUNCIL DESIRES WITH THE MARKET GOVERNMENT REGULATION VERSUS ALLOWING THE FREE MARKET TO, TO DO WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO. AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE, UM, WE'VE TRIED OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST TWO YEARS TO ADDRESS, UM, THE INITIAL CONCERNS AND HAVEN'T HAD MUCH SUCCESS GIVEN THE STIPULATIONS THAT EXISTED, UH, FROM THE PRIOR APPROVAL. AND SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT IS A SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES. UM, I CANNOT STAND UP HERE AND GIVE A GUARANTEE AND, AND I WILL NOT. UM, THIS COUNCIL HAS HAD OTHER PEOPLE STAND UP AND GIVE GUARANTEES AS TO THINGS, AND THOSE HAVE NOT WORKED OUT. AND I AM NOT GOING TO BE ONE THAT IS GOING TO GO DOWN THAT PATH. BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS GIVE A NUMBER OF REASONABLE ASSURANCES BASED ON THE TOOLS THAT IS AT YOUR DISPOSAL, THAT IS AT OUR DISPOSAL TO ENSURE AGAIN, THAT THERE IS A SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES IN PLACE. BECAUSE AS WE'VE GONE THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, AND AS YOU ALLUDED TO MAYOR, THE QUESTION THAT'S COME UP IS, HOW DO WE KNOW SOMETHING'S GONNA GET BUILT? WELL, IF I KNEW THAT WITH CERTAINTY, I WOULDN'T BE BEFORE YOU. I'D BE ON A BEACH PROBABLY DRINKING A COKE, UH, MAYBE WITH SOME ICE IN IT, UH, AND RELAXING THERE. UM, I WOULD NOT BE BEFORE YOU. BUT NEVERTHELESS, AS WE LOOK AT IT, UM, AND TALK ABOUT REALLY MULTIFAMILY, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE COMMENT I'VE HEARD AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE HAVE A GUARANTEE THAT NO MORE MULTIFAMILY ISN'T GONNA JUST SPREAD ACROSS THE ENTIRE SITE? AND SO YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS, INCLUDING STIPULATION NUMBER ONE AND REZONING IN THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. WE'VE GOT WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET, A SITE PLAN THAT IDENTIFIES WHERE THE LAND USES CAN BE. WE'VE GOT AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS RESIDENTIAL IS ONLY PERMITTED ON TWO PARCELS WITHIN IT. AND THEN, UM, AS LAUREN INDICATED, WE DO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION IN THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT REQUIRES A SEPARATE APPLICATION, CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR MULTI-FAMILY ON PHASE FOUR, ON PARCEL FOUR. SO [00:20:01] AS WE LOOK AT THIS, ANY CHANGES TO THE LOCATION OF MULTIFAMILY? AGAIN, NUMEROUS CHECKS AND BALANCES IN THERE. REQUIRE ME TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU FOR YOUR APPROVAL. THERE'S A QUESTION THAT'S COME RELATIVE TO AUTO DEALERSHIPS. WHAT'S THE CERTAINTY THAT WE HAVE FOR AUTO DEALERSHIPS? AND IF I NEED TO, I'M GONNA GUESS, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, MICAH MIRANDA IS HERE. WE WERE ON A, UH, ABOUT A 30 OR SO MINUTE CALL. I BELIEVE MICAH WAS SOMEONE WHO'S REPRESENTING AND WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THE DEALERSHIPS. AND I CAN GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON THAT. BUT YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY AS STAFF INDICATED, THERE'S A STIPULATION THAT IS PURSUANT TO STATE STATUTE THAT INDICATES THAT IT'S GOTTA BE A, A NEW DEALERSHIP. AND AGAIN, THAT ENTIRE PROCESS DEALERSHIPS ARE HEAVILY REGULATED BY STATE STATUTE ON THE PROCESS OF LOCATING AND RELOCATING DEALERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO AGAIN, ANY CHANGES TO THAT? I'VE GOTTA COME BACK TO YOU. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PHASING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU CAN SEE ON THERE THAT AGAIN, THERE'S A NUMBER OF STIPULATIONS, THE DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET, PHASING PLAN LANGUAGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET. UM, AGAIN, A STIPULATION AND THEN INCLUDING A REVISED STIPULATION, UM, THAT WAS WORKED OUT WITH THE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IT REQUIRED THAT WE BUILD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, OF THE DEVELOPMENT BEFORE I CAN EVEN FILE AN APPLICATION ON THE MULTIFAMILY. YOU ALL KNOW YOU'VE HAD MANY PEOPLE COME TO YOU, MANY CASES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN BEFORE YOU, THAT HAVE TALKED ABOUT MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THERE IS CERTAINLY A HUGE INCENTIVE FOR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO GO FORWARD. BUT AGAIN, WE'VE PLACED A SERIES OF CHECKS AND BALANCES SO THAT THIS COUNCIL, THAT THE PUBLIC ALSO KNOWS THAT, UH, I JUST CAN'T GO BUILD THE MULTIFAMILY AND WALK AWAY, UM, BECAUSE OF THE INCENTIVE. UM, THEN THE CHECKS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN IN HERE ADDITIONALLY, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A NEW STIPULATION TONIGHT ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT I'VE GOT PULL A BUILDING PERMIT ON NON-RESIDENTIAL USES WITH 18 MONTHS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS REZONING ORDINANCE. BECAUSE THE CHALLENGE THAT WE FACED IS THAT THERE WAS A NUMBER OF HANDCUFFS THAT WERE TIED TO THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO WHERE LENDERS WOULD NOT LEND ON IT. NO ONE WANTED TO MAKE THAT SUBSTANTIAL OF INVESTMENT INTO PROPERTY THAT WAS SO HEAVILY ENCUMBERED AS IT WAS BEFORE. YET THIS, I BELIEVE, AGAIN, DOESN'T REMOVE THE RESTRICTION. I GUESS TECHNICALLY YOU COULD SAY IT DOES, BUT WE'VE TRIED TO BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE AND GIVE YOU REASONABLE ASSURANCES AS BEST WE CAN, THAT WE KNOW THE MARKET CAN SUPPORT IT. UH, AND THAT'S WHY AS WE LOOK AT THIS, THAT'S THAT AREA OUTLINED IN BLACK, UM, WHICH WOULD BE APPLICABLE, UH, UM, TO IT. SO, UM, AGAIN, AS WE, AS WE KIND OF LOOK AT IT, WE, WE THINK THAT WE'VE, WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF EXCHANGING, IF YOU WILL, THE REQUIREMENTS WITH A SERIES OF CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT ARE, UM, GIVE, I BELIEVE YOU ALL THE ASSURANCE AS TO HOW THINGS CAN BE WITHOUT PUTTING A STRANGLEHOLD SO THAT NOTHING GETS BUILT ON IT. SO I'LL START, UM, I RESPECTFULLY, WHAT YOU ARE ASKING US IS, IS TO REMOVE THE HANDCUFFS OFF THE FIRST, NOT JUST MOVE THEM ELSEWHERE. SO IN ORDER BEFORE FOR ORDER TO GET THOSE APARTMENTS BUILT, THERE WAS CONDITIONS THAT OTHER THING. AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU ARE ASKING TO REMOVE THOSE. IT'S CLEVER LANGUAGE, BUT IT IS ASKING TO SHIP THOSE ELSEWHERE. I STILL DON'T KNOW FROM MY REGARD, AND YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS MULTIPLE TIMES, UH, THAT EVEN EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR WHAT YOU, WE, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY AND I, I DID BRING THAT UP TO STAFF, UH, THAT RE THAT REQUEST. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO WHAT I, WHAT I, WHAT I DON'T DO? IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE, PLEASE, OR TWO. YEAH. WHAT I WOULD NOT WANNA SEE AGAIN IS, IS A BUNCH OF NICE LOOKING PHOTOS THERE. AND THEN THE VERY TOP RIGHT CORNER HAVE A, UH, A LITTLE COFFEE SHOP. AND THAT WOULD SATISFY THIS BECAUSE, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD NEED FOR ME TO GET ON BOARD WITH THIS SOME SUBSTANTIAL IN EARNEST GOOD WORK TOWARDS THAT. SO I WILL THROW OUT, WOULD YOU AGREE TO 25,000 SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT AS PART OF THAT? AND YOU DON'T NEED TO ANSWER ME NOW, BUT I WOULD EXPECT AN ANSWER BEFORE THURSDAY RATHER THAN A THREE FOOT PAD OR A 3000 SQUARE FOOT PAD AND SAYING, I'VE MET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS 18 MONTHS. WOULD YOU AGREE TO A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT? AND IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE, THE CAR DEALERSHIPS, A HOTEL, SOME OF THESE OTHERS, BUT THE WAY THIS IS CURRENTLY IN LANGUAGE, I, I THINK YOU COULD HAVE A LITTLE COFFEE SHOP OR SOMETHING IN THE CORNER AND SAY, WE'VE MET THE REQUIREMENTS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD MEET THE INTENTION OF THAT YOU ARE EXPRESSING OR THAT WE WOULD EXPECT. UH, YES, I WILL DISCUSS THAT WITH MY CLIENT, MAYOR. [00:25:01] OKAY. I, I WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT ON THURSDAY OR, OR I WILL BE REQUESTING, UH, A, A CONTINUANCE OF THIS CASE IF, UH, SO I'M, I'M WILLING TO, TO HEAR THAT AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT I, TO ME, I JUST DON'T THINK, UH, AS I MENTIONED, SOMETHING SMALL WITH THIS LANGUAGE WOULD ACHIEVE THE PURPOSES THAT, THAT YOU ARE EXPRESSING. MAYOR, I WOULD AGREE IN ISOLATION. UH, ONE COULD CERTAINLY TAKE THAT APPROACH. I'VE APPEARED BEFORE THIS GROUP MANY TIMES, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT MY INTENTION TO PLAY GAMES WITH YOU OR THE PUBLIC AS IT RELATES TO THIS. BUT I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT IT IN CONNECTION WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE GOT IN PLACE, THAT ALREADY EXISTS, AGAIN, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE DEALS WITH THAT, WITH A REVISED STIPULATION THAT DOES HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT I CAN'T EVEN, I CAN'T EVEN FILE AN APPLICATION ON MULTIFAMILY UNTIL I'VE COMPLETED 75% OF THE COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE AND, UH, ONE OF THE HOTELS. UM, SO WHILE, WHILE WE UNDERSTAND, AND AS I, I SAID I WILL VISIT WITH MY CLIENT ABOUT IT, WE FEEL THAT IF YOU LOOK AT IN TOTALITY, AGAIN, ALL THE SERIES OF CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT WE'VE GOT, WE THINK THERE IS CERTAINLY ENOUGH THERE, BUT WE, WE UNDERSTAND AND YOUR COMMENT, AND AS, AS I SAID, I WILL VISIT WITH MY CLIENT, WOULD YOU ALSO AGREE OR AT LEAST DISCUSS WITH YOUR CLIENT WITHIN THAT SHOT CLOCK IF, IF THIS IS NOT MET, THAT THERE COULD BE, UH, UH, SOME SORT OF FINANCIAL INCENTIVE TO FURTHER THAT, WHETHER THAT'S A, A DAILY FEE OR SOMETHING. SO IF IT DOESN'T REACH WITHIN THAT CERTAIN TIME, PLEASE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL. 'CAUSE AGAIN, I, I SEE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE, BUT TO ME THERE, I SEE ZERO INCENTIVE PAST THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS FIRST APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT YOUR CLIENT COULD EASILY SELL THIS, THE REST OF THIS PROPERTY, AND THEN HE'S DONE WITH IT OR SOMETHING ELSE. AND THERE'S STILL NO GUARANTEES THAT ANYTHING ELSE COULD HAPPEN. SO I AM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS PLAN FILLED OUT, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME MORE ASSURANCES, UH, TO THAT WHOLE PROCESS. SO PLEASE ASK YOUR CLIENT. I'D LOVE TO, I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THAT ON THURSDAY AS WELL. MAYOR, I, I WILL ALSO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN REWRITING THE CITY'S CRIMINAL CODE OR CIVIL CODE AS IT RELATES TO VIOLATIONS OF ZONING, ORDINANCES BEING CLASS ONE MISDEMEANORS, BUT I WILL CERTAINLY GET WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND, AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, AGAIN, WITHOUT REWRITING THE, THE CIVIL CODE THERE. YEAH. AND I THINK SOME OF THOSE CAN BE TIED TO THE PROPERTY, SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS A, AS A DEMAND BEYOND THAT. BUT I, I CERTAINLY WOULD WELCOME THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL. SO, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO YOU BROUGHT UP THE POINT ABOUT 25,000 SQUARE FOOT OF DEVELOPMENT. I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE EXACT WORD YOU USED? I'M JUST CLARIFYING, I'M, I'M LOOKING FOR A NUMBER THAT BEFORE ANYTHING WOULD HAPPEN WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME, THAT THERE WOULD BE A, A SUBSTANTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE PULLED AND INITIATED, NOT JUST A, A PAD OF ONE OR 3000. NO. AND I'M SAYING, SO IF THEY GOT THE HOTEL BUILT, WOULD THAT SATISFY THE REQUIREMENT? I'M TRYING TO JUST FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. IF, UM, CHALLENGING. I THINK IT'S A GOOD APPROACH. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT DEFINITION OF 25,000 SQUARE FOOT, 'CAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU. I DON'T WANNA SEE A COFFEE SHOP AND SAY WE'RE DONE. AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A MAJOR STRUCTURE IN THERE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY. I WOULD LOOK FOR A MAJOR STRUCTURE THERE. OKAY. WHETHER IT'S A DEALERSHIP, WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS MORE THAN A COUPLE SHOPS. GOT IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW THE, NECESSARILY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOTELS BEING PROPOSED, SO, OKAY. YOU WANT TO SEE SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL IN THERE OTHER THAN ONE PAD BEING DEVELOPED IS WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY. EXACTLY. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANKS FOR CLARIFICATION. COUNCIL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I HAD A QUESTION, MAYOR, CONCERNING THE DEALERSHIPS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN MIKE, UH, UM, HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH YOU, SIR RAY, THAT, UM, WE DIDN'T, WE WERE NOT SURE THAT THOSE DEALERSHIPS REALLY IN PLAY AND THEY WILL EVER, UM, MANIFEST OR BECAUSE IT ALSO TOOK SO LONG FOR THOSE KINDS OF LICENSES AND EVERYTHING TO BE GIVEN. AND THE ONES THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED TO US, THEY'VE ALREADY EITHER INTERESTED SOMEWHERE ELSE OR HAVE ALREADY PAID TO MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. WAS THAT THE FACT, OR THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT, UH, I, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. SURE. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS, THANK YOU. I'LL CERTAINLY DEFER TO MR. MIRANDA AND SEE IF MY RECOLLECTION OF OUR CONVERSATION IS WRONG. BUT AS IT RELATES TO, UM, THE, THE THREE DEALERSHIPS, IF YOU WILL, THAT KIND OF STARTED US DOWN THIS PATH TO BEGIN WITH, UH, I HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, AND HE INFORMED ME THAT THOSE, UM, POTENTIAL THREE DEALERSHIPS ARE STILL IN PLAY FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE. UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF A SITE LANDING, UH, THAT ONE OF THOSE THREE HAD LANDED SOMEWHERE. BUT AGAIN, UNLESS MR. MIRANDA REMEMBERS DIFFERENTLY [00:30:01] IN THE COURSE OF OUR CONVERSATION, THAT DEALERSHIP LANDED SOMEWHERE OUT AT SIGNAL BUTTE IN THE US 24, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 21 MILES AWAY. UM, WHICH ACCORDING TO STATE STATUTE AND THEIR 10 MILE RESTRICTION, AGAIN, THE RULES, AND I, I CAN GET WAY INTO THE WEEDS, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S MEETING, BUT THE RULES FOR A NEW DEALERSHIP VERSUS RELOCATION ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. BUT I THINK ON OUR CONVERSATION, AND MR. MIRANDA CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT WAS CONFIRMED WITH THE, UM, EXPERT, IF YOU WILL, WHO'S DONE 1200 CAR DEALERSHIPS ACROSS THIS NATION, UM, SAID THAT THOSE THREE DEALERSHIPS COULD STILL LOCATE ON THIS SITE. HE ALSO DID GO ON TO EXPLAIN IT'S KIND OF THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FRANCHISEES AND THE OEMS AS HE REFERRED TO IT, UH, AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THERE IS A PROCESS BY WHICH IT GOES. I, AGAIN, WE CAN, IF, IF IT'S NECESSARY, GO INTO DETAILS TONIGHT OR, OR WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. MIRANDA TO ENSURE THAT, UM, YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, MAYOR, REAL QUICK? COUNCILOR MEMBER. YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW, THE PDB CALLS FOR TWO, AND I UNDERSTAND CHECK FOR THE EGG IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT ZONED, SOMETIMES THE DEALERSHIPS ARE SHYING AWAY, BUT WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT TWO TONIGHT. STAFF. IF THERE'S A THIRD ONE, WHICH WE OR INITIALLY HEARD, IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM THERE TO DO THIS? AND DO WE HAVE TO REZONE A PARTICULAR PARCEL AGAIN, SIR? I'LL, I MIGHT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, MAYOR, COUNCILMAN. WELL, SHE'LL MAKE SURE YOU GET THE RIGHT ANSWER, SO SHE'LL MAKE SURE I GET THE RIGHT ANSWER. BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE, LET'S JUST USE THE PLAN THAT'S HOPEFULLY, UM, LET'S JUST USE THIS PLAN FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE IN CONNECTION WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND MS SHE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THIS, THIS PLAN LOCKS IN WHERE THOSE LAND USES ARE. THAT'S WHY I CAN'T GO SPREAD MULTIFAMILY WILLY, WILLY-NILLY ON SITE. RIGHT? AND SO WITH THAT BEING THE CASE, THE ONLY PLACE THAT AUTO DEALERSHIPS CAN BE LOCATED ARE IN THE LOCATION, UH, SHOWN ON HERE, THOSE TWO PURPLE BUILDINGS. SHOULD ANOTHER DEALERSHIP WANNA LAND HERE, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS, AMEND THE ZONING, UM, AMEND THE PDP, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, LOCATE A THIRD DEALERSHIP ON THIS SITE. IF A THIRD, UH, DEALERSHIP DID EXIST, UM, IT, IF IT FIT IN PARCEL ONE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT COULD BE REVIEWED ADMINISTRATIVELY. UH, BUT IT HAS TO MEET ALL OF OUR SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SO THE SETBACKS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED WITHIN THIS CASE, PARKING AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH LANDSCAPING. AND SO IF A THIRD WAS ABLE TO FIT IN THAT PARCEL ONE, IT COULD BE CONSIDERED ADMINISTRATIVELY. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S NEGOTIABLE. I GET THAT. ALL RIGHT. BUT MY POINT IS, YOU, THERE'S ENOUGH LAND HERE, THERE'S ENOUGH, UM, ON THIS CANVAS, THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM THAT WE COULD CHANGE THIS CANVAS THROUGH, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. YES, THERE IS. IT WOULD REQUIRE THE DELETION OF SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF TO MAKE IT THROUGH. YEAH, I MEAN, QUITE FRANKLY, A SHIP, THERE'S A LOT MORE VALUABLE THAN A COUPLE OF THOSE RETAIL SHOPS. THAT'S FOR DARN SURE. SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR MR. RAY? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. WE'LL SEE YOU THURSDAY. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM [12. Resolution No. 5844, Authorizing an Amended and Restated License Agreement between Crown Castle Fiber, LLC, and the City of Chandler for the Use of Public Property for the Establishment of Class 4 and Class 5 Telecommunications Systems Move City Council pass and adopt Resolution No. 5844, authorizing the Mayor to execute the amended and restated license agreement between Crown Castle Fiber, LLC, and the City of Chandler for the use of facilities in the city’s rights-of-way and public places to establish Class 4 and Class 5 Telecommunications Systems, and authorizing the City Manager or designee to execute other documents as needed to give effect to the agreement. Council Focus Area(s):] CALLED IN IS ITEM NUMBER 12 CONCERNING THE LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH CROWN CASTLE FIBER TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEM AND KEVIN SNYDER. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. NORMALLY YOU'D HAVE DENNIS OUST BEFORE YOU, BUT HE'S OFF HAPPILY, UH, CELEBRATING THE WEDDING OF HIS DAUGHTER. SO YOU HAVE ME THIS EVENING. I'LL DO MY BEST AS A STAND IN . SO, MAYOR, MAYOR KEVIN, UM, I DID TALK A LITTLE BIT EARLIER TODAY. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM, I'LL SAVE YOU SOME TIME. IT'S GETTING LATE. THANK YOU. THE, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, WHERE ARE WE GONNA DO THESE, UH, CUTS, THE EXPERIMENTAL CUTS? HAVE YOU FIGURED OUT THE LOCATIONS AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO MONITOR THAT AS FAR AS LIVITY? WILL IT BE, 'CAUSE THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE ALL ALONG, IS THAT THE DIFFERENT CUTS AND THE, THE STRIPING AND IS IT GOING TO UPSET THE, UM, THE ASPHALT AND THINGS LIKE THAT? SO I REALLY, I WANNA HONE IN ON THAT NOW THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. SO AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, UH, THE LOCATIONS ARE, WE'RE CURRENTLY IN DISCUSSIONS WITH CROWN CASTLE ON THE LOCATIONS, UH, HOWEVER, BUT THEY WILL BE LIMITED TO CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY. THEY WILL NOT BE PERMITTED ON ART ONTARIO ARTERIAL STREETS ONLY LOCAL AND COLLECTOR STREETS. UH, WE WILL BE MONITORING, SINCE THIS IS A PILOT, UH, STUDY, WE'LL BE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH CROWN CASTLE. THEY WILL HAVE TO GET APPROPRIATE PERMITS, ENCROACHMENT PERMITS, AND OTHER PERMITS NEEDED IN ORDER TO WORK IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY. WE'LL BE MONITORING THE INTRODUCTION AND USE OF THEIR TECHNOLOGY, THE MICRO TECH, UH, TRENCHING TECHNOLOGY. UH, THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO BORE UNDER ANY [00:35:01] SIDEWALKS OR BREAK OPEN ANY SIDEWALKS ONLY ALLOWED TO BORE UNDER SIDEWALKS. SO IT IS INTENDED TO ONLY BE LIMITED TO ABOUT 10,000 LINEAL FEET. UH, AND RIGHT NOW, BASED ON CONVERSATIONS TO DATE WITH CROWN CASTLE, THEY WOULD ANTICIPATE STARTING IN SOUTHEAST CHANDLER, AGAIN, ONLY ON LOCAL OR COLLECTIVE STREETS. AND WE WOULD BE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE MINIMIZING ANY INTERFERENCE WITHIN THE PUBLIC SPACE. YOU'RE TALKING FOR THE MICRO-TRENCHING APPROXIMATELY SIX INCHES OFF THE CURB IS WHERE THEY WOULD BE DOING THEIR WORK, AGAIN, IN LOCAL OR COLLECTOR STREETS. AND WE WOULD BE MAKING SURE THAT THEY, UH, THERE'D BE MINIMAL IMPACT TO THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE ROADWAY AND OR TO PEOPLE UTILIZING THE PUBLIC SPACE. OKAY. SO IT'S A TIMELINE HERE WHERE CONCERN IS ALWAYS BEEN THE, WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO TO THE STREETS LONG TERM. AND I GET THAT. UM, DO YOU HAVE DATA THAT THEY'VE LOOKED IN OTHER AREAS THAT OVER A YEAR THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS? 'CAUSE I CAN SEE THIS HAPPENING. WE PUT THE 10,000 LINEAR SQUARE FEET IN, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A NEW PROCESS AND TWO YEARS FROM NOW WE FIND A PROBLEM. HELP ME SOLVE THAT RIDDLE. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO WE ARE AWARE THAT, UH, THEY HAVE WORKED WITH THE TOWN OF QUEEN CREEK AND HAVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM. AND WE'LL BE IMPLEMENTING, UH, THIS RAPID, WHAT THEY CALL RAPID CONNECT PROGRAM. UH, THERE, UH, THIS PILOT PROGRAM STUDY WILL BE, UH, AGAIN, FOR THREE YEARS IN THE CITY, UH, ANY IMPACTS, NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THE RIGHT OF WAY WOULD HAVE TO BE IMMEDIATELY ADDRESSED. UH, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM. THEY HAVE TO MEET CITY TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS AND DESIGNS ANY DAMAGE TO THE ROADWAY, ROADWAY THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, THEY PROCEED AT RISK. AND ALSO THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY WILL BE NUMBER ONE, ALLOWED TO RETAIN THE, UH, TECHNOLOGY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AFTER THE END OF THE PILOT PROGRAM OR EXPAND IT ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY. SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP A VERY TIGHT CONTROL ON THIS FOR THE VERY POINTS YOU'RE MAKING. COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE, THIS IS NEW TECHNOLOGY, AT LEAST TO THE CITY, NOT NECESSARILY TO CROWN CASTLE, BUT TO US. AND WE DO NOT WANT TO, UH, HAVE ANY INSTANCES WHERE IT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE PUBLIC SPACE AND CREATES DAMAGE OR OTHER ISSUES OKAY. FOR USERS. SO THE, WE'RE THEY'RE INDEMNIFIED, IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, LEAKAGE, UH, CRACK INTO THE STREET, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. YES. AND WE'LL BE IMMEDIATELY UPON THAT AND WE'LL BE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THEM, DENNIS AND HIS TEAM. OKAY. GONNA BE WORKING IN CLOSE COORDINATION. THANK YOU. THANKS, MAYOR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART. THANK YOU. AND YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER WE HAD ON OUR 1 0 1, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN DETAIL ABOUT THE, THE TECHNOLOGY BEING ABLE TO LAY THE, THE, UH, THE FIBER FASTER WITH LESS, UH, IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE USED TO BE ABLE TO, WE WOULD DIG UP ROADS AND THEY'D BE CLOSED DOWN FOR WEEKS, AND THIS'LL BE JUST A SCRIPT DOWN THE MIDDLE. AND SO THIS IS REALLY GOOD THAT, THAT THEY'RE BRINGING THIS FORWARD AS AN INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE CAN USE HERE, UH, TO PUSH THIS FORWARD. I GUESS WHAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT IS, IS I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THIS IS BEING USED IN COLORADO, WHERE, WHERE THEY HAVE UPS AND DOWNS AND COLD AND HEAT AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. YOU'RE SEEING IT ALREADY BEING USED IN LIKE ELK GROVE, CALIFORNIA IN PLACES LIKE THAT. SO IT'S PROVEN TECHNOLOGY. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. UH, WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF CROWN CASTLE TO GIVE, GIVE A MORE DETAILED EXPLANATION, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAVE UTILIZED THIS TECHNOLOGY IN OTHER LOCALES WITH VARIOUS WEATHER CONDITIONS. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART. UH, SO YES, I BELIEVE THE QUESTION ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS YES. YEAH. SO THIS IS GONNA BE A LESS INTRUSIVE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS. YEAH, WELL, YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT IT BEING A PILOT PROGRAM FOR HOW LONG THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS, UH, THE, IF, IF APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, IT WOULD BE A THREE YEAR PILOT PROGRAM. OKAY. AND THAT WHOLE THREE, THREE YEARS, WE'LL BE MONITORING IT AND MAKING SURE THAT, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT WITH THE APPLICANT, WE HAD AN ISSUE IN THE PAST OF THEM, UM, STAYING IN CONTRACT WITH US. UH, WHAT MAKES ME THINK THAT, UH, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE ANOTHER ISSUE THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS? UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THERE WAS A DISPUTE OVER FEES. WE WORKED PROACTIVELY WITH CROWN CASTLE, AND I CAN REPORT THAT THEY HAVE SUCCESSFULLY PAID ALL OUTSTANDING FEES TO THE CITY OR IN A GOOD STANDING WITH THE CITY. UH, WE WILL BE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH, THIS IS A NEW TECHNOLOGY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN PROVEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, IT'S NEW TO US. SO, UH, DENNIS AND HIS TEAM WILL BE, UH, UH, DOING EXTRA OVERSIGHT ON THIS, WORKING IN CLOSE COORDINATION WITH CROWN CASTLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO NEGATIVE IMPACT. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WILL BE THE IMPACT OF THE ROADWAYS. MM-HMM. WE EXPECT IT TO BE MINIMAL BASED ON THE MICRO, UH, TRENCHING TECHNOLOGY. BUT IF THERE IS, UH, MORE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, THEN WE WILL WORK TO IMMEDIATELY ADDRESS THAT WITH CROWN CASTLE. THAT COULD INCLUDE STOPPING THE WORK. THAT COULD INCLUDE, UH, OTHER ACTIONS THAT MAY BE NECESSARY. UH, I THINK THE, THE COUNCIL CAN BE ASSURED THAT WE'LL BE KEEPING A VERY CLOSE EYE ON THIS. APPRECIATE THAT. KEVIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'VE MET, UH, WITH, UH, SOME OF THE PEOPLE, UH, FROM CROWN CASTLE YEARS, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND THEY SEEMS TO BE VERY AMICABLE AND WANTS TO WORK WITH US. I WAS VERY SURPRISED WHEN I HEARD THAT THEY WERE NOT, YOU KNOW, MEETING THEIR OBLIGATIONS [00:40:01] TOWARDS US. BUT I'M GLAD TO HEAR THE REPORT TONIGHT THAT THEY HAVE COME AND, UM, AGREEABLE. LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND EVERYTHING. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH THEM. THANK YOU. SEEING NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, KEVIN. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, COUNCIL, WE'RE HALFWAY [14. Agreement No. DS5-918-4808, General Plan Update and Comprehensive Housing Plan Move City Council approve Agreement No. DS5-918-4808, with Logan Simpson Design, Inc., for the General Plan Update and Comprehensive Housing Plan, in the amount of $525,000. Council Focus Area(s):] THROUGH THE CALLED IN ONES ITEM NUMBER 14, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. IF I COULD HAVE LAUREN SCHUMANN RETURN AND COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO AND POSTON CALLED THIS IN ASKING FOR A BRIEFING. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU AGAIN. UH, WE'RE EXCITED TO COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. ITEM 14 ON YOUR AGENDA AS AN AGREEMENT WITH LOGAN SIMPSON DESIGN FOR A GENERAL PLAN AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. ALRIGHT, TO JUST GIVE YOU A, THE WORD GENERAL PLAN'S BEEN THROWN AROUND A COUPLE OF TIMES THIS EVENING, BUT TO GIVE YOU A, A REMINDER OF WHAT OUR GENERAL PLAN IS, OUR GENERAL PLAN IS A COMPREHENSIVE SET, BROAD POLICIES THAT GUIDES DEVELOPMENT WITHIN OUR CITY. UH, IT'S A STRATEGIC PLAN, AND IT'S NOT PARCEL SPECIFIC. THE GENERAL PLAN IS OUR ULTIMATE, WHAT WE WANT OUR CITY TO LOOK LIKE, LOOK LIKE AT ULTIMATE BUILD OUT. UH, IT TAKES INPUT FROM ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UH, AND HAS COMMUNITY GOALS WITHIN IT. UH, THE GENERAL PLAN, THE STATE STATUTE REQUIRES THAT WE UPDATE IT EVERY 10 YEARS. SO PLANNING STAFF IS INITIATING, UH, THE UPDATE OF THE GENERAL PLAN. THE LAST ONE WAS APPROVED IN 2016, AND IT WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS AT 85.8%, WHICH WAS VERY HIGH. WE RECEIVED A REWARD FOR THAT, AN AWARD. UM, SINCE THEN, NO MAJOR OR MINOR, UH, AMENDMENTS HAVE OCCURRED. UH, PER THE STATE STATUTE, THERE'S 17 DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT THE STATE REQUIRES US TO LOOK AT. UH, THE GENERAL PLAN IS NOT A JUST A, A PLANNING DOCUMENT. UH, OTHER DEPARTMENTS, UH, USE, UH, THIS DOCUMENT TO PUT THEIR POLICIES AND GOALS WITHIN IT. UH, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF FOCUS ON HOUSING, WATER, RESOURCES, UM, AND PER DIRECTION GIVEN BY THE MAYOR. UM, CONSERVATION, REHABILITATION AND REDEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS, UH, CIRCULATION. UH, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, UH, UPDATE OUR GENERAL PLAN EVERY 10 YEARS AS IT'S REQUIRED BY THE STATE STATUTE. BUT WE ALSO WANNA LOOK AT, UH, DEVELOPING TRENDS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL ON TRACK FOR ULTIMATE BUILD OUT AND HOW WE WANT OUR CITY TO DEVELOP. UH, WE ARE, CITY OF CHANDLER IS APPROACHING BUILD OUT. WE'RE AT 93% BUILT OUT OF THAT 7% THAT'S REMAINING. ONLY 3% OF IT IS ENVISIONED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES. UH, SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT TRACK FOR BUILD OUT. UH, SO TODAY WE COME BEFORE YOU WITH THE, UH, CONTRACT FOR A CONSULTANT. UM, THE PROPOSAL WAS SENT OUT IN JULY. UH, WE RECEIVED THREE PROPOSALS, UM, AND ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY IS AN AGREEMENT WITH LOGAN SIMPSON DESIGN AS OUR CONSULTANT. UH, THIS IS THE KICKOFF REALLY TO THE NEXT TWO YEARS OF OUR, UH, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. UM, NEXT STEPS, UH, ONCE APPROVED, UH, ON THURSDAY'S AGENDA, UH, WE DO HAVE A MEETING WITH THE CONSULTANT AND, UH, IMPORTANT IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY, UH, TO START UP, UH, UH, TO IDENTIFY OUR GOALS. AND AS WELL AS THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO SET UP A RESIDENTIAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. UH, THEY'RE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND VOTED ON BY THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THAT SHOULD BE ON AN AGENDA, UH, BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. UH, THAT COMMITTEE IS COMPRISED OF, UH, INTERESTED STAKEHOLDERS, BUSINESS MEMBERS, ACTIVISTS, AND RESIDENTS. UH, IN THE 2016 GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, THERE WERE 23, UH, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THE YEAR PRE, UH, BEFORE THAT THERE WERE 21. SO GENERALLY THERE'S ABOUT 20, BUT THERE'S NO RULES OR REGULATIONS REGARDING HOW MANY. AND THIS COMMITTEE IS USED TO HELP GUIDE STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT THROUGH THE UPDATE, UH, START NEXT YEAR IS, IS THE, THE REAL WORK. THE REAL WORK WITH THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, UH, THE PUBLIC OUTPUT, UH, GETTING, UH, WEEKLY MEETINGS, UH, FOR TOPICS REGARDING OUR GENERAL PLAN AND HOW WE WANT THE CITY TO DEVELOP. UH, BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE, UH, WE [00:45:01] WANT TO INCLUDE EVERYBODY, UM, WE WILL BE ENGAGING WITH THE YOUTH, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. WE HOPE TO PARTNER WITH, UH, LOCAL BUSINESSES TO HOST EVENTS. UH, ONE OF THE REASONS LOGAN SIMPSON WAS CHOSEN IS THEIR ROBUST, UM, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, UH, PROCESSES. UM, AND SO WE REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THEM AND SEEING WHAT, UM, INNOVATIVE, UH, WAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THE PUBLIC TO, TO GET THIS MESSAGE OUT SO WE CAN GET AS MUCH FEEDBACK. UH, AND THEN AS WELL AS, UH, MEET WITH, UH, REGIONAL STAKEHOLDERS. UH, CHECK IN WITH, UH, A MAJORITY OF OUR HEARING BOARDS BACK TO CITY COUNCIL, PARK AND REC, UH, AIRPORT COMMISSION. AND THEN WE HOPE BY JUNE OF NEXT YEAR, UH, WE WILL HAVE FINALIZED THE COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING PLAN IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH, UH, GOVERNOR HOBBS STATE BILL THAT WAS RECENTLY SIGNED IN STATE BILL 1162. SO THE COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING PORTION OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE SHOULD BE COMPLETE BY JUNE OF NEXT YEAR. UH, AND THEN FROM THERE, IT'S JUST, UH, SENDING OUT THE, UH, GENERAL PLAN DRAFT, UH, FOR REVIEW TO START THE 60 DAY STATUTORY REVIEW PERIOD, UH, WITH HOPES TO GET THIS TO A, UH, JANUARY OF 2026, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND ON A CITY COUNCIL AGENDA BY FEBRUARY OF 2026, UH, IN ORDER TO REACH THE AUGUST, 2026, UH, ELECTION. AS ONCE COUNCIL APPROVES OR DENIES IT, IT GETS PUT ON A BALLOT WHERE RESIDENTS, UH, VOTE ON THE GENERAL PLAN. UH, SO TODAY IS, UH, THIS WEEK WOULD BE A KICKOFF TO, TO THIS WHOLE PROCESS OF THE NEXT TWO YEARS. AND WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. LET'S START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC TO THE HOUSING PLAN. UM, WE, WE'VE BEEN ASKING A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS LATELY, UM, IN TERMS OF PUTTING THEM ON COMMITTEES FOR THE BOND, UM, AND NOW THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE HOUSING PLAN. DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THE COMMITTEE FOR THE GENERAL PLAN WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE HOUSING? OR IS THAT GONNA BE TWO SEPARATE COMMITTEES RUNNING TOGETHER? UM, IN TERMS OF WHO WE'RE GOING TO PULL INTO THE COMMUNITY JUST TO GET ONE DONE A LITTLE SOONER THAN THE OTHER? OF COURSE. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I'M GOING TO, UH, LOOK TO LEO POWELL. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, WE WILL HAVE A SEPARATE STAKEHOLDER GROUP THAT WILL BE LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING PLAN. ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT IS THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING PLAN WRAPPED UP PRIOR TO THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE GENERAL PLAN, BECAUSE WE WANT THAT PLAN TO ROLL UP INTO THE GENERAL PLAN FOR CONTINUITY. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING AT A KIND OF IDENTIFYING THOSE BROAD CATEGORIES AS STAKEHOLDERS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE NONPROFIT PROVIDERS INVOLVED FOR-PROFIT AND NONPROFIT, AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS. WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, BECAUSE THIS IS HOUSING FOR ALL INCOME LEVELS AND A DIVERSE HOUSING BASE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A DIVERSE STAKEHOLDERS GROUP AS WELL. OKAY. AND BECAUSE I WANTED TO CLARIFY AND MAKE SURE, BECAUSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN FACING ACROSS THE COUNTRY, IT'S NOT ONLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT'S ALL HOUSING AND WHERE IT BELONGS IN CHANDLER, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, THAT IS CORRECT. WE WILL BE LOOKING AT ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING STOCK IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE MAY ALREADY HAVE IN CHANDLER TODAY. WE ALSO WANNA LOOK AT INNOVATIVE HOUSING STOCK THAT MAY ALSO MEET A DIVERSE AUDIENCE. HOW DO YOU ALWAYS ANSWER MY NEXT QUESTION, ? SO I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ENCOURAGE THIS GROUP, UM, AND OUR CITY STAFF TO GET AS CREATIVE OF AS POSSIBLE. I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION MANY, MANY TIMES, WHETHER IT'S MATERIALS, UM, WHETHER WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THE CITY CODE AND WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE, UM, WHETHER IT'S REVITALIZING, I'M SEEING ACROSS OTHER CITIES WHERE THEY ARE TAKING, AND I KNOW WE HAD A PRESENTATION FROM OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, UM, THAT IT'S DIFFICULT, BUT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE FINDING WAYS TO CHANGE BUSINESSES INTO HOUSING WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE. UM, SO I JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE THAT CREATIVITY AND TO BE WILLING TO EXPLORE ALL THE OPTIONS AND GIVE US A GOOD IDEA OF WHERE THOSE HOUSING, WHERE THAT HOUSING STOCK NEEDS TO GO. UM, WILL WE BE LOOKING AT CITY PROPERTY AS WELL AS A POSSIBILITY IN TERMS OF PUTTING HOUSING ON ANY OF THAT? SOME OF THE REAL ESTATE THAT WE OWN, UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER AND POSTON? THAT WILL BE TWOFOLD. WE, UH, WILL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL IN THE NEAR FUTURE LOOKING [00:50:01] AT THE HOUSING AT OUR OWN PUBLIC HOUSING STOCK AND CONTINUING WITH OUR PLAN TO REDEVELOP OUR PUBLIC HOUSING STOCK AS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AND FUTURE CONVERSATIONS. WE MAY BE LOOKING AT OTHER CITY PARCELS ALONG THE WAY. SO I THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT TIMES. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANKS, MAYOR. YEAH, LET ME, I'M GONNA GO TO COUNCILMAN ORLANDO NEXT AND HE ALSO CALL THIS, BUT LET ME ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, JUST A PROCESS QUESTION. SO THIS HOUSING GROUP, WILL THAT REPORT DIRECTLY TO YOU? WILL THEY MAKE PRESENTATIONS TO THE GENERAL PLAN COMMITTEE? WILL THEY, HOW, HOW DOES THE PROCESS OF THESE TWO CONCURRENT COMMITTEES WORK? YES, MAYOR HARKEY, THAT IS THE REASON THAT WE WANTED TO DO THIS AS A JOINT PLAN WITH THE, WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, AGAIN, TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THERE IS CONSISTENCY AND CONTINUITY. WE HAVE BEEN DOING HOUSING ASSESSMENTS EVERY YEAR. WE'VE BEEN UPDATING IT, BUT THAT DATA HASN'T, NOT, HAS NOT NECESSARILY BEEN ROLLING UP INTO A LARGER PLAN FOR THE CITY. SO THAT WAS THE REASON FOR DOING THIS IN CONJUNCTION, UM, AMY JACOBSON AND MYSELF WILL BE OVERSEEING THE COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING PLAN PIECE OF IT, BUT WE'LL BE WORKING VERY CLOSELY AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ON THE GENERAL PLAN, AS WELL AS HAVING STAFF WITHIN MY DEPARTMENT ALSO BE LIAISONS WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS THAT CONTINUITY AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANY REPORT THAT'S GENERATED AS FAR AS THAT COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT CAN ROLL UP AS A DOCUMENT. SO BEING PRESENTED TO THE GENERAL PLAN COMMITTEE, CERTAINLY GETTING STAFF'S INPUT ON IT, UH, REALLY VETTING IT THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS AS WELL. IT WILL JUST BE HAPPENING A LITTLE BIT OFF TRACK SIMULTANEOUSLY, FOR THE MOST PART, BUT WILL BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE GENERAL PLAN BEING COMPLETED. SO AT SOME POINT THEN THIS WILL, THERE WILL BE A PRESENTATION TO THE GENERAL PLANNED, UH, COMMITTEE, AND THEY WILL, IN ESSENCE, UH, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, ACCEPT THIS TO MORPH IT INTO THE GENERAL PLAN RATHER THAN THESE TWO CONTINUING TO WORK DIVERGENTLY. CORRECT? YES, MAYOR, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. VERY GOOD. UM, COUNCILMAN ORLANDO? NO, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THE DESIRED OUTCOME OF THE HOUSING PLAN. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THE GENERAL PLAN DOING THAT FOR A LONG TIME, BUT I THINK I GOT A GOOD HANDLE ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE DESIRED OUTCOMES, WHERE WE WANT TO GO WITH THE HOUSING PIECE OF IT. THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANKS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART. THANK YOU. SO ON THE, ON THE COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING PLAN, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA KIND OF ORGANIZE THE, THE GROUP THAT KIND OF PUTS THAT TOGETHER. WILL THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION BE ON THAT? WILL THERE BE NEIGHBORS ON THAT? WILL THERE BE, UH, FOLKS THAT SORT OF EXPAND OUTSIDE OF WHAT MAYBE YOUR DEPARTMENT'S GENERALLY WORKED ON? WHICH IS THE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVEN WORKFORCE HOUSING, IT'S MORE OF, UH, OUR VETERANS AND ELDERLY AND FOLKS HOUSING, HUD, HUD HOUSING, THAT KIND OF STUFF, RIGHT? YES. THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART, YES. TO ALL OF THOSE GROUPS THAT YOU IDENTIFIED. EXACTLY. AGAIN, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS NOT JUST FOCUSED ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT IT'S FOCUSED ON ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING PRODUCTS, RIGHT. THROUGHOUT CHANDLER. AND AGAIN, MEETING A DIVERSE HOU BASE OF FUTURE RESIDENTS, CURRENT RESIDENTS, IT'LL BE LOOKING AT WHERE, WHAT OUR ASSETS ARE TO DATE, NOT JUST AS A CITY, BUT AS A CITY AS A WHOLE, WHAT TYPES OF HOUSING WE HAVE, WHERE IT IS AND WHERE THOSE GAPS ARE. SURE. AND THEN ON THE SELECTION FOR THAT COMMITTEE, WILL THAT GO, WILL, WILL YOU BE HANDLING THAT MAYOR AND THEN WE VOTE ON THAT? OR HOW WILL THAT SELECTION BE DONE? SO SIMILAR TO THE, THE BOND COMMITTEE, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT I WILL BE TAKING INPUT FROM YOU ALL, ASSEMBLING A BOARD, AND THEN COUNCIL WILL APPROVE THE THE GENERAL PLAN. I'M LOOKING TO MY RIGHT FOR YEAH. SO SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE JUST DONE WITH THE BOND PROJECT AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME CARRYOVER OF EXISTING FOLKS, OR, AND I'LL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY TOGETHER SO THAT SOMEONE DOES NOT RECOMMEND SOMEONE WHO'S ALSO GOING TO BE SERVING. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF WORK ON BOTH OF THESE TO COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON QUESTION. AM I RIGHT? ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? NO. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER, THANK YOU. ACTUALLY, THIS WAS A FOLLOW UP TO THE MAYOR'S QUESTION. AM AM I HEARING IT CORRECTLY THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING PLAN WOULDN'T COME BACK TO US? UM, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE FOLDED INTO THE GENERAL PLAN AND THEN MOVE FORWARD IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT? AFTER JUNE THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, WE WILL CERTAINLY BE PRESENTING INFORMATION TO COUNCIL. OKAY. UM, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF AS A, THERE WILL BE A, A REPORT FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING PLAN. SO IT WILL HAVE ITS OWN REPORT, BUT THAT REPORT WILL ROLL UP INTO THE GENERAL PLAN. SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF TWICE, I GUESS THAT YOU COULD SAY. UM, WE WILL CERTAINLY HAVE A REPORT TO, FOR THAT PIECE OF IT. WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING ANY STATE GUIDELINES. AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S LEGISLATION. MM-HMM. FOR THE MOST PART WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT. BUT THIS FORMALIZES [00:55:01] WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. AND SO WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MEETING ANY OF THOSE STATE DEADLINES AND THAT PIECE OF IT. BUT IN ADDITION, IT WILL ROLL INTO THAT GENERAL PLAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND COUNCIL MUR, I COULD, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO, UM, A STUDY SESSION, MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE AWARE AND ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE THIS BECOMES A, A, A SEALED, YOU KNOW, STAMPED DOCUMENT THAT COUNCIL CAN HAVE INPUT ON. THANKS, MAYOR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WORKING ON THIS CALL. OUR [22. Purchase of Vehicles and Upfitting Move City Council approve the purchase of vehicles and upfitting, using multiple vendors under State of Arizona contracts, in a combined amount not to exceed $4,314,940. Council Focus Area(s):] NEXT ITEM CALLED IN WAS CALLED IN BY COUNCIL MEMBERS ELL AND STEWART ITEM 22, VEHICLE PURCHASE. AND UPFITTING, UH, MIKE COLLINSWORTH FOR A PRESENTATION. WELL, MAYOR, I THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, TRULY THESE, YOU JUST HAVE QUESTIONS OR DO YOU WANT A PRESENTATION? CORRECT? I, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I DIDN'T WANT A FULL PRESENTATION. IT WAS JUST BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION. SURE. BUT YOU ARE GONNA DO A WHOLE FULL ONE. I JUST WANTED YOU IN A FEW WORDS TO KIND OF CONCISE IT. WHY DO WE HAVE TO MAKE AN 8 MILLION SOMETHING DOLLAR INVESTMENT INTO VEHICLES RIGHT NOW? 'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, IS IT THE RIGHT TIME TO BUY WITH THE INFLATION? AND NOT ONLY THAT, THE MONEY SHOULD WE INVEST IT INTO VEHICLE? I'LL TELL YOU FOR ME PERSONALLY, UM, COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, I TOOK ONE OF THE CARS WITH THE MAYOR DOWN TO, UH, WE WENT, UH, SOMEWHERE THAT CAR WAS PITIFUL, UH, . I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOODNESS, THIS REALLY BELONGED TO THE CITY. THERE WAS NOT EVEN ANY LIGHT IN THE, IN, IN THE ROOF WHEN WE OPENED THE DOOR. SO KINDA JUST CONCISE IT FOR ME. I DON'T WANNA PULL, WHY DO WE NEED TO MAKE THIS INVESTMENT RIGHT NOW? SO THROUGH THE MAYOR COMES NUMBER ELLIS. NUMBER ONE. IT'S NOT $8 MILLION, IT'S LIKE $4.1 MILLION AND IT'S ACTUALLY A REDUCTION FROM LAST YEAR. AND IT ALSO INCLUDES UPFITTING. YEAH. BUT WE GO THROUGH AN EXHAUSTIVE PROCESS TO DETERMINE WHAT VEHICLES NEED TO BE REPLACED. AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION NOW VERSUS LATER, UH, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, PAY ME NOW OR PAY ME LATER. UM, THE INFLATION, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS A CRYSTAL BALL THAT'S GONNA TELL US WHEN INFLATION'S GONNA BE IN ANO ANOTHER YEAR. I PERSONALLY JUST WENT THROUGH A VEHICLE PURCHASE MYSELF, AND I WENT THROUGH THE SAME DEBATE WITH MYSELF. SHOULD I WAIT OR SHOULD I, SHOULD I DO IT NOW? I ENDED UP DOING IT NOW, BUT, AND HAVE REALLY NO, BUT MINE HAVE, MY SITUATION MAY BE DIFFERENT FROM OTHER PEOPLE AND ALL OBVIOUSLY THE CITY, BUT WE GO THROUGH AN EXHAUSTIVE PROCESS TO EVALUATE THE VEHICLES TO UNDERSTAND IS THIS THE RIGHT TIME TO, TO, TO REPLACE BASED ON MILEAGE, COST OF REPAIRS, THE ACTUAL CONDITION OF THE VEHICLE THROUGH PHYSICAL INSPECTIONS, AND ALSO THE FEEDBACK WE GET FROM THE FLEET ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS THAT GO INTO DETERMINING WHETHER WE NEED TO BUY VEHICLES NOW OR LATER. AND WE STARTED OFF WITH APPROXIMATELY 86 VEHICLES TO REPLACE, AND NOW WE'RE DOWN TO 51. SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH A, A PRETTY EXHAUSTIVE SCRUB OF THIS LIST. IF WE SCRUBBED IT IN YOUR HEART, IT'D BE BLEEDING. SO, YOU KNOW, I, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND WHERE WE'RE AT NOW WITH INFLATION, THE INTEREST RATES. UM, WE DON'T PLAY THAT GAME IN THE CITY. UM, AND WITH CAR PRICES, UH, THEY'RE, THEY ARE A BIT HIGH, BUT THEY ARE COMING DOWN TOO. UH, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, MY CRYSTAL BALL SAYS WE'RE PROBABLY UNCHANGED FROM LAST YEAR OR MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE, LITTLE LESS BY A, A SINGLE DIGIT PERCENTAGE. SO I THINK WE'RE THE TIMING, UH, FOR SOME OF THESE VEHICLES, WE'RE AT A, AT A POINT WHERE THE VEHICLES WE'VE SELECTED ARE KIND OF A MUST REPLACE POINT. YEAH, I'M WITH YOU. I, I, I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE A CONCERN BECAUSE I, I LOOKED THROUGH IT AND, AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE, AND I KNOW WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO, WE ARE VERY FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE HERE IN THE CITY, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THIS, UH, WHAT I JUST SAID HERE UP, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ANSWER THEM IN THE SQUARE RIGHT HERE SO THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD WHY, WHY WE NEED TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW. SO I APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, SOME OF THE, MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED JUST NOW, BUT I, I'M INTERESTED IN HOW MUCH LESS VERSUS LAST YEAR HAVE WE REDUCED THE, UH, THE EXPENSE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, IT'S NOTABLE OR IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOTEWORTHY TO MENTION THAT WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF MY NEIGHBORS, NUMBER OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT RUN. I JUST TURNED IN A TRUCK THAT WAS 180,000 MILES, RIGHT. THAT WE RUN OUR CARS TO THE VERY END. SO I WANT SOME INSURANCES WHEN WE MAKE AN EXPENSE LIKE THIS, THAT WE'RE TAKING OUR FLEET TO THE, THE LAST POSSIBLE MOMENT AND THEN TURNING THAT IN WHEN WE NEED TO REPLACE THAT. SURE. AND SO THIS IS A, THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING, AS JOSH KNOWS, THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING I'VE REALLY BEEN A BUG IN MY, IN MY SADDLE, BUR IN MY SADDLE, BUR IN MY SADDLE FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS. YEAH. WHEN I SEE 4 MILLION, 8 MILLION, WHATEVER THAT IS COME ACROSS, AND I SEE FRESH NEW CARS EVERY YEAR. UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S RESPECTING OUR RESIDENTS WHO DON'T GET A NEW CAR EVERY YEAR. RIGHT. THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART, I, I, AGAIN, I'LL SHARE A PERSONAL COMMENT MYSELF, I TOOK MY CAR RECENTLY TO 200, 2000 MILES AND I STILL HAVE IT, SO IT'S, BUT IT'S ON ITS WAY OUT. UM, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION REGARDING THIS YEAR VERSUS LAST YEAR, [01:00:01] UH, LAST YEAR WAS 93 VEHICLES, UM, AND THIS YEAR IS 51. UH, THIS YEAR IT'S $4.1 MILLION, AND THAT'S WITH UPFITTING. AND THAT'S THE, THE LARGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS YEAR AND LAST YEAR. LAST YEAR WE, WE PRESENTED THOSE VEHICLES WITHOUT UPFITTING AND IT WAS AROUND $4 MILLION, BUT THERE WAS A CONSIDERABLE UPCHARGE WITH UPFITTING, UM, BECAUSE OF COST INCREASES OF THE PAST COUPLE YEARS WITH UPFIT, IT'S, IT'S CONSIDERABLE, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 30% MORE ON TOP OF THE ACTUAL PURCHASE THE VEHICLE. SO IT'S, IT'S SUBSTANTIAL. AS FAR AS, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DEVELOP OUR ORIGINAL LIST, AGAIN, WE STARTED OFF WITH 86 VEHICLES. UM, WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THE FLEET ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE, UH, WHAT THE ACTUAL CONDITIONS OF THE VEHICLES ARE. WE MAKE SURE THAT, HEY, LOOK, DO YOU REALLY NEED THIS VEHICLE? CAN IT LAST WE ASK THE QUESTION, CAN IT LAST ANOTHER YEAR? AND IF IT CAN WE CROSS OFF THE LIST. SO THAT'S HOW WE, WE VISIBLY BEAT THIS LIST UP TO GET TO THAT POINT. THAT, THAT, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO HEAR RIGHT, IS WE'RE RUNNING INTO THE END, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR MIKE MAYOR? ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. YEAH, SO JUST LOOKING AT YOUR LIST HERE OF VEHICLES YOU'RE BUYING, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, UH, THREE, ALMOST 3 MILLION OF THIS IS FOR POLICE VEHICLES, 36 VEHICLES, WHICH A LOT OF THAT'S THE UPGRADE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, ARE POLICE VEHICLES, UH, OVERUTILIZED MUCH MORE WEAR AND TEAR EARLIER? UH, PROBABLY GET BEAT UP A LOT MORE OFTEN. UH, THEY'RE ON THE ROAD 24 HOURS A DAY, BASICALLY. SO IS THAT WHY THE WEAR AND TEAR WITH THESE ARE MORE OCCURRING VERSUS LIKE A UTILITY VEHICLE THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO? SHORT ANSWER IS YES. THESE VEHICLES GO THROUGH A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF ABUSE AND, AND WE WANNA PROVIDE OUR, OUR, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY FOLKS, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, A TOOL, THE RIGHT TOOL FOR THE JOB. OKAY. UH, THEY DO GO, DO, GO THROUGH AN EXTREME ENVIRONMENT. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT A LOT OF IDLE TIME, UH, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF DRIVING. UH, BUT YES, SIR, IT, IT'S A, IT'S AND THEN YOU'RE EXPANDING, OBVIOUSLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS EXPANDING WITH MORE PATROLS AND, AND THEN THE OTHER SEVEN VEHICLES, UH, ARE FOR FIRE, I'M ASSUMING. SAME REASON? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. OKAY. AGAIN, IT'S A VERY, VERY, UH, HARSH ENVIRONMENT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND AGAIN, SOME OF THESE VEHICLES, COMMUNITY SERVICES, TWO, CULTURAL DEVELOPMENT, ONE OR TWO, SO THERE'S A LOT OF THESE OTHER VEHICLES HERE THAT ARE, ARE, ARE JUST NECESSARY RE RELA IT. OKAY. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE, THANKS, MAYOR. MAYOR, NO, COUNCIL. YEAH, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, AS WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT ON THE DAIS HERE, MY QUESTION'S NEVER BEEN ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT THE, THE, UH, THE VOLUNTEER CARS. THEN WE'VE GOT CARS FOR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE FLEET CARS. SO I APPRECIATE, THAT'S ONE, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO I ASKED FOR THE, FOR THE POLICE AND FIRE TO BE SEPARATE IN THE, IN THE BUDGET FROM THE FLEET CARS BECAUSE PUBLIC SAFETY IS ITS OWN ENTITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE DO, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PIO, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, UH, EVERYTHING, WHICH IS GREAT. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SO GREAT AT WHAT THEY DO. BUT THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS GENERAL, BUT THESE ALWAYS SEEM TO BE LUMPED, LUMPED TOGETHER. SO I CAN NEVER REALLY, REALLY DIG INTO THAT. BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T WANT, DIDN'T WANT TO VOTE. NO. IF I DIDN'T AGREE WITH IT, OBVIOUSLY WE, WE NEED COP CARS. SO APPRECIATE THAT, MIKE, CUSTOMER STEWART, THAT THE P PD IS ALSO A VERY GREAT SOURCE FOR TRICKLE DOWN VEHICLES. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. WE'RE ABLE TO, WE'RE ABLE TO REALIZE THOSE VEHICLES IN MANY CASES WHERE DEPARTMENTS WON'T HAVE TO PURCHASE A NEW VEHICLE. WE'RE DOING A GREAT JOB, MIKE. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, MIKE. OUR LAST [34. Agreement No. 4638, Amendment No. 1, for Temporary Accommodation Services Move City Council approve Agreement No. 4638, Amendment No. 1, with GAJANAN, LLC, for temporary accommodation services, in an amount not to exceed $600,000, for the period of one year, beginning October 1, 2024, through September 30, 2025. Council Focus Area(s):] QUESTION CALLED IN IS ITEM NUMBER 34, ALSO CALLED IN BY COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS STEWART AND MYSELF, LOOKING AT THE TEMPORARY ACCOMMODATION, UM, SERVICES. PLEASE GIVE US A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION. YOU BET. DON'T EVEN HAVE TO USE THE POWERPOINT IF YOU DON'T WANT. UM, HI MAYOR. HI COUNCIL. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. SO LET'S SEE HOW FAST I CAN. ALL RIGHT. SKIPPED A SLIDE ALREADY. SO THIS ITEM IS SIMPLY AN AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING CONTRACT FOR ONE OF THE HO TWO, ONE OF THE TWO HOTELS THAT WE USE FOR OPERATION OPEN DOOR, WHICH IS OUR NON CONGREGATE SHELTER PROGRAM. UM, THIS AMENDMENT WOULD, UM, EXTEND THE CONTRACT FOR AN ADDITIONAL YEAR, UM, FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 600,000, UM, STARTING OCTOBER 1ST. THIS CONTRACTOR DID NOT ASK FOR, UM, AN INCREASE, SO IT WOULD BE AT THE SAME RATE AS LAST YEAR. UM, VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW. THIS PROGRAM, AS YOU KNOW, STARTED IN 2020 WHEN SHELTER BREADS REDUCED. IT'S VERY EFFECTIVE, UM, BOTH IN OUTCOME AND IN COST. UM, IT IS STAFFED BY OUR CITY NAVIGATORS WHO PROVIDE SERVICES TO PEOPLE THAT ARE STAYING IN OUR NON CONGREGATE PROGRAM SEVEN [01:05:01] DAYS A WEEK. UM, THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO GO TO PERMANENT HOUSING, AND WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT. UM, THIS LAST YEAR, 98% OF OUR CLIENTS, UM, WENT TO PERMANENT HOUSING OR ANOTHER POSITIVE EXIT. WE ONLY LOST SIX PEOPLE WHO EITHER, UM, UNFORTUNATELY EITHER PASSED AWAY BEFORE EXIT OR DID NOT, UM, OR RETURN TO HOMELESSNESS. THAT'S AMAZING. OUT OF 301 PERSONS THAT WE SERVED LAST YEAR, UM, THE PURPOSE FOR CONTRACTING IS TO AVOID, UM, HIGH FEES. SO I'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT HOTELS IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. UM, THE RATES FLUCTUATE BY THE, BY THE DAY, IF NOT THE HOUR, AND ARE ALSO VERY DEPENDENT ON, UM, THINGS THAT COME TO TOWN, FOR INSTANCE, UH, SUPER BOWLS OR, UM, THE, UH, THE GOLF TOURNAMENT, UM, THE PHOENIX OPEN, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO GETTING INTO CONTRACT WITH A HOTEL GIVES US A, A FLAT RATE AND THE BEST RATE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE ACCESS TO ROOMS. WE'RE NOT COMPETING WITH THE GENERAL MARKET TO PROVIDE SHELTER TO OUR RESIDENTS. AND THEN OF COURSE, MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT PROVIDES A SAFE, UM, PLACE WHERE WE CAN REALLY WORK WITH SOMEBODY AND VERY QUICKLY GET THEM STABILIZED AND ONTO PERMANENT HOUSING. UM, AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE THEN NOT ON THE STREETS OF CHANDLER. THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN ON THE STREETS, UM, PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY COSTING OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OR OUR PUBLIC SERVICE SYSTEMS, YOU KNOW, 35 TO $40,000 A YEAR. UM, AND IF WE MAKE A QUICK $6,500 INVESTMENT, UM, IN OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WITHIN ABOUT OUR, OUR AVERAGE LAST YEAR WAS 72 DAYS. WITHIN ABOUT 72 DAYS, WE CAN HAVE A POSITIVE RESOLUTION FOR THEM AND AVOID SPENDING THAT MONEY. COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S, THAT, THAT WAS THE ANSWER TO MY BIGGEST QUESTION, RIGHT? MM-HMM. IS WHY THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN WORKING FOR US. SO I USED TO BE ON SORT OF THE, I'VE HAD PEOPLE ASK ME LIKE, WHAT ARE WE DOING BUYING HOTEL ROOMS FOR? BUT THE, THE END RESULT HAS BEEN WHEN PEOPLE GET INTO THE ROOMS, RIGHT? WHEN THEY GET THE HELP THAT THEY NEED, THEN ONE, THEY TAKE THAT PRESSURE OFF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO, THEY ACTUALLY GET THE HELP THAT THEY NEED AND THE WRAPAROUND SERVICE THAT THEY NEED. SO THIS, THIS HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE'RE IN, WE'RE FEELING THE EVERYDAY EFFECTS OF THAT. BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN THE CITY OF CHANDLER IS WHY YOU SEE VERY, VERY FEW UNHOUSED PEOPLE THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE OUR NAVIGATORS, THIS WHOLE PROGRAM IS HELPING THEM GET INTO HOUSING AND THEN HELPING THEM FIND JOB TRAINING OR HELPING THEM. IS THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. YEAH. BECAUSE I'M GONNA GET A QUESTION YEAH. ON WHY ARE WE SPENDING THIS MONEY ON HOTEL ROOMS? YEAH. THROUGH THE MAYOR, UM, COUNCILMAN STEWART, THAT'S, YOU'VE GOT IT. EXACTLY RIGHT. OKAY. THIS GIVES US A VERY QUICK WAY TO INTERACT WITH PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY. WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE, THEY'RE SAFE, THEY'RE GETTING GOOD SLEEP, THEY CAN WORK TOWARDS THEIR GOALS, AND THEY'RE ON TO PERMANENT HOUSING. THANK YOU. GREAT. KEEP GOING. UM, SO LET'S SEE. THIS IS ACTUALLY OUR LAST SLIDE. SO THIS IS JUST LOOKING AT ACTUAL EXPENDITURES OVER THE TIME THAT WE'VE HAD THIS PROGRAM SINCE 2020. UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR FIRST YEAR WE SPENT ABOUT FIVE, UH, 400, UH, 450,000. UM, THAT WAS HALF A YEAR'S WORTH OF SERVICE. AND EVERY YEAR SINCE THEN, WE'VE SPENT, UM, SOMEWHERE AROUND A MILLION DOLLARS. UM, THIS YEAR, YEAR TO DATE, WE'VE SPENT 145,000 OF CITY FUNDS AND 102,000 OF FEDERAL FUNDS. YOU CAN SEE WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO, UM, BALANCE, UM, SPENDING FEDERAL FUNDS AND SPENDING, UH, CITY FUNDS. UM, THE BIGGEST THING TO NOTE HERE IS THAT UNFORTUNATELY, WE AS A CITY ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR E EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANT FUNDS, WHICH IS THE DESIGNATED FEDERAL FUND SOURCE FOR SHELTER. SO WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING TO EVERY GRANT WE CAN FIND FROM STATE OR FEDERAL SOURCES. AND THEN WE ARE OF COURSE, UM, CONTRIBUTING SOME OURSELVES. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. VERY GOOD. UM, COUNCILMAN BRES, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, MAYOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I REMEMBER THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF SITTING HERE WHEN I WAS PUSHING THIS PROGRAM SO MUCH THAT IT WAS BEING SAID IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE SHOULD NOT TAKE ANY MONEY FROM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DO THIS PROGRAM. AND LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. IT'S NON-EXISTENT. CAMPING IS NON-EXISTENT INTO OUR CITY RIGHT NOW. I HAVE USED THIS PROGRAM MORE THAN ANYBODY THAT I KNOW BY MAKING A PHONE CALL AND GETTING PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN IT AND I KNOW IT WORKS. YOU SAYING THAT IT'S VERY VARIABLE, THAT IT'S VERY SUCCESSFUL. I THINK IT'S MORE THAN THAT. IT'S SAVING LIVES. NOT ONLY THAT, IT'S SAVING LIFE. WE HAVE PEOPLE GRADUATING FROM THIS PROGRAM NOW WITH MASTER'S DEGREES AND THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO COLLEGE RIGHT NOW AND GETTING THEIR WHOLE BLOODLINE OUT OF POVERTY. THIS IS WHY WE EXIST. WE DON'T KEEP GIVING FISHES. WE TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO FISH AND GETTING THEM OUT OF HOMELESSNESS BY GIVING THEM [01:10:01] THAT LITTLE HELP BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE WHAT IT TAKES SOMETIMES A GOOD NIGHT'S SLEEP. WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO FOR SOMEONE JUST TO BE ABLE TO THINK, TO SAY YES TO SERVICES, JUST BY LETTING THEM BE OFF THE STREET FOR THAT NIGHT, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THEIR HEARTS SO THAT WE CAN TALK TO THEM AND HELP THEM TO HELP THEMSELVES. I APPLAUD YOU. I THANK YOU TEAM FOR CONTINUING DOING THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO INVEST AS LONG AS I'M HERE. WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO INVEST INTO THIS BECAUSE IT WORKS AND WE CAN SEE IT IN OUR CITY EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT I DRIVE AROUND. THANK YOU. I THANK YOU FOR THAT TESTIMONY AND MY STAFF. THANKS YOU, RYAN. YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION WITH THE, JUST THE COST COMPARISONS THAT, UH, WERE ACTUALLY, THERE ARE REAL COST TO HOMELESSNESS AND BY AVOIDING THEM, THERE ARE THERE, IT JUST HAS A GREATER TOLL ON SO MANY OTHER SERVICES. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT SLIDE. COUNCIL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS RELATED TO THIS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM CALLED IN. THAT CONCLUDES OUR STUDY SESSION COUNSEL, I'LL SEE YOU ON THURSDAY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.