[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL]
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WELCOME TO THE CHANNEL PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION HEARING FOR OCTOBER 21ST.
CAN I GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRMAN HUMAN HERE.
COMMISSIONER PRECAU, COMMISSIONER FLANDERS.
[2. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WILL BE LED BY OUR VICE CHAIR ROSE PLEASE.I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDERGROUND INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
[3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
HAD, I'M SORRY, NEXT ITEM IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.UM, YOU HAVE MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 16TH, BOTH THE STUDY SESSION AND THE REGULAR MEETING.
DO I EVER HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR CHANGES AND IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE THROUGH THE CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE LAST MEETING.
I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND I NEED TO ABSTAIN.
I'LL SECOND THAT SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER AND CLUB.
I HAVE AN ABSTENTION FROM COMMISSIONER PICO.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
NOTED THIS PAST SIX TO ZERO WITH ONE ASSUMPTION FROM COMING FROM THE CAB.
[4. AGENDA ITEMS]
UM, BEFORE THIS MEETING, WE HAD A STUDY SESSION.UM, WE HAVE CERTAIN ITEMS THAT WILL BE READ INTO, OR NOT ACTUALLY READ INTO THE RECORD IF WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS, UM, THAT WILL BE PASSED ON ONE MOTION, UH, TO REFRESH THE AUDIENCE IT'S ITEM A WILL REMAIN ON CONSENT.
UM, ITEM E WILL MAY NOT CONSENT ITEM FRA NON-CONSENT G H N I UM, I DO HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FOR ITEM G.
I'M NOT GOING TO PULL IT OFF THE CONSENT, BUT I WILL ASK THE PERSON TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT IT.
MR. O'CONNOR, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN WITH THE PROJECT, PLEASE, IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, JAMES MICHAEL O'CONNOR, RADIOLOGICAL TOWNHOUSE COMPLEX.
UM, I ATTENDED THEIR COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, LAST MONTH, BUT EARLY SEPTEMBER.
AND I'M ALSO HERE REPRESENTING THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE HOA.
I'M A BOARD MEMBER ON THE DIRECTOR OF OUR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
WE GOT NOTICED THROUGH OUR MANAGEMENT COMPANY, HAYWARD PROPERTIES THAT THEY WANTED TO PUT IN THIS CRASH GATE EMERGENCY GATE.
AND, AND IT WAS AS IF THEY WERE ASKING US TO IF WE COULD DO, IF THEY COULD DO IT.
SO WE HAD A BOARD MEETING AND WE ACTUALLY VOTED IT DOWN.
WE ALREADY HAVE EMERGENCY ENTRANCE ON THE SOUTH WALL OF OUR PROPERTY.
AND THEN, UM, WE REALLY DIDN'T GET MUCH INFORMATION ON IT.
AND A FEW DAYS AGO I TALKED TO STEVE CHEF, OUR PROPERTY MANAGER, AND HE SAID THAT THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS.
WE HAVE TO ALLOW THIS EMERGENCY CRASH GATE.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT OUR RIGHTS ARE AS A COMMUNITY TO ALLOW THIS CRASH GATE TO BE CUT INTO OUR NORTH WALL OF OUR PROPERTY.
BECAUSE THIS CRASS GATE WOULD GO RIGHT IN BETWEEN GARAGES.
UM, MOST OF THOSE AREAS HAVE DUMPSTER AREAS FOR TRASH.
THIS, THIS AREA DOESN'T HAVE ONE OF THE DUMPSTERS.
IF STAFF, KEVIN, CAN YOU ADDRESS THE ISSUE FOR MR. O'CONNOR PLEASE AFTERNOON? NO CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS AND CITIZENS.
UH, SO, UH, WHEN TREY BELLAGIO HAD FIRST COME THROUGH, I ACTUALLY WAS THE PLANNER ON IT MANY YEARS AGO.
AND, UH, IT CAME THROUGH AND IT WAS AT THE TIME GOING TO BE, UH, THE SECONDARY CRASH ACCESS WAS GOING TO BE TO THE APARTMENTS TO THE SOUTH.
UH, THE SITE DESIGN CHANGED SOME, UH, IN BETWEEN WHAT WAS APPROVED AND THEN ULTIMATELY WHAT GOT BUILT.
AND AT THE TIME THAT THEY WENT TO BUILD IT, THERE WAS, UH, IT WAS NOT CLEAR FROM THE APARTMENT COMPLEX TO THE SOUTH, THAT THEY COULD GET THAT SECONDARY ACCESS TO THE SOUTH.
HORTON JUST NEEDED TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD ON THEIR PROJECT.
AND SO THEY PUT A SECONDARY FUTURE SECONDARY ACCESS WHERE IT IS THAT THAT DRIVE OUT RIGHT NOW, NURSING HOME, UM, AND, UH, HAD SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'LL DEAL WITH THIS.
IF WE CAN'T GET THE THING TO THE SOUTH, WE HAVE AN UNDEVELOPED PARCEL ON THE NORTH.
WE'LL PUT THIS FIRE ACCESS POINT HERE AND WE'LL DEAL WITH IT WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT PIECE.
I'M GUESSING THAT'S HOW THAT'S WHERE MY MEMORY ENDS.
UH, BUT I REMEMBER NEEDING TO PUT THAT PIECE TO THE NORTH FOR THE SITE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COMING THROUGH, UH, FROM THE VILLAGE OF COLLEGE PARK.
UM, I'M GUESSING THAT AT SOME TIME, ALONG THE, AFTER THAT POINT, THEY WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO
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GET THE RIGHTS TO PUT THE CRASH GATE TO THE APARTMENTS TO THE SOUTH, BUT ON THE PLATTE THAT IT WAS RECORDED FOR TREY LAZIO, IT ESTABLISHES THIS.UM, AND I'M GUESSING THAT ONE OF THE SOUTH, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS ACTUALLY A CRASH GATE ON THE SOUTH THAT HAS ACCIDENT, CRASH EVENTS.
WHERE IS THAT ON THE PROPERTY? UM, BETWEEN LIKE BUILDING 13 AND BUILDING 10 RIGHT INTO THE PARKING LOT OF THE NURSING HOME.
AND THERE'S NOT A, UH, UH, NOT A GATOR.
NO, THERE'S JUST, UH, A GATE 10 FEET OF RAILING FENCE.
A BLOCK WALL ENDS AND THERE'S LIKE 10 FEET OF, OKAY.
AND THEN THE BLOCK WALL CONTINUES.
AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS PLANTED, UH, IT WAS ESTABLISHED WITH THE, UH, THE ACCESS POINTS THAT THE VILLAGE COLLEGE PARK IS, IS POINT INTO THAT WAS ESTABLISHED AS A, AS A FUTURE FIRE ACCESS POINT.
UM, IN THE IMPROVE, THE IMPROVEMENT PLANS ACTUALLY SHOWED THE ASPHALT GOING RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE SOMEWHERE ALONG THAT WAY, DURING CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS PULLED OFF A FOOT OR SO.
AND THERE'S A THIN STRIP OF LANDSCAPING THERE, BUT IT'S ALWAYS, IT'S, IT'S CURRENTLY ENTITLED IN, UH, AS A, AS A CRASH GATE FOR FIRE.
AND SO WHENEVER THIS PIECE COMES IN THE SUBJECT OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, IT WOULD OPEN UP THAT WALL AND PUT A FIRE GATE.
LIKE THE ONE THAT IS TO THE SOUTH ABSOLUTELY ONLY NEEDED, UM, IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, NOTHING BY THE RESIDENTS OF EITHER SIDE.
SO THIS HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE THE BUILDING OF OUR COMMUNITY, CORRECT.
CONSENT OF THE PLANNING OF, OF, UH, TREY LODGE, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE NEEDED TO CLARIFY.
BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE WE HAD A CHOICE IN THE MATTER.
WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE IN THE MORNING.
I WILL GET YOU BY CONTACT INFORMATION AND I'M HAPPY TO SEND SOMETHING IN AN EMAIL OR SOMETHING, SO YOU CAN TAKE THAT BACK TO THE WORK.
AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING I ASKED HER IN THE, UM, COMMUNITY MEETING IS WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING INTO OUR PROPERTY OFF OF A PRICE ROAD, WE HAVE WHAT I CALL A DECELERATION LANE, PROBABLY 120 FEET.
UM, WE ASKED IF THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A SIMILAR DECELERATION LANE, CAUSE THESE TWO PROPERTIES ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE STOPLIGHT, UH, ELLIOTT AND PRICE ROAD.
AND IN THE PAST WE'VE SEEN EVEN WITH OUR DECELERATION LANE TRAFFIC BACKUP THERE.
SO WHAT WE DO EVERY NIGHT AND EVERY MORNING IS LEAVE OUR GATES OPEN FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO PULL INTO OUR CIRCLE AND WAIT FOR THE GATE TO OPEN.
AND THAT STOPS FROM TRAFFIC BACKING UP ON THE PRICE ROAD.
SO THEY, THEY DIDN'T GIVE US AN ANSWER WHETHER THEY WOULD BE HAVING A DECELERATION LANE OH, UNDER THEIR PROPERTY.
I GUESS MY FEAR IS THAT CARS WILL PULL UP ON PRICE ROAD, STOP AND WAIT FOR THEIR GATE TO OPEN.
I KNOW THEY HAVE A, SOME SORT OF A SMALL CIRCLE, BUT CARS WILL BACK UP DURING RUSH HOUR.
SO DAVID OR KEVIN, CAN YOU JUST QUICKLY ADDRESS THAT IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU GUYS DO TECH ENGINEERING, THINGS LIKE THAT, WOULD THAT CHANGE ANYTHING THROUGH THE CHAIR? UM, I THINK FROM PREET, FROM OUR PRE TECH REVIEW, UM, THAT SITE IS PRETTY SKINNY.
THE SUBJECT SITE IT'S PRETTY SKINNY TREE LODGE IS BASICALLY KIND OF TOO WIDE OF THIS.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH DISTANCE, UM, FROM KIND OF THE CENTER, UH, THE ACCESS POINTS.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DISTANCE TO GET TO THE STORAGE AND THE TAPER OF THE DIESEL LANE.
UM, BUT WE'LL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON KIND OF YOUR, WHAT YOU GUYS USE AS YOUR SOLUTION ON KEEPING THE GATES OPEN SO THAT THERE ISN'T THAT BACKUP, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL TALK ABOUT, BUT I DON'T THINK ONE CAN ACTUALLY FIT ON THE WIDTH OF IT.
CAUSE IT WOULD NOT SIMPLE SOLUTION IF THE GATES LEFT OPEN, LIKE YOU SAY, DURING RUSH HOUR TAKES CARE OF THE WHOLE PROBLEM.
CAUSE NOBODY'S GONNA CLOSE IT AUTOMATICALLY EVERY DAY.
RIGHT IN THE MORNING YOU CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT COUNCIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR JUST MAKE A NOTE OF IT.
THANK YOU, MR. O'CONNOR APPRECIATE IT.
SO THE AUDIENCE, UM, ARE THERE ON THE ITEMS THAT I HAVE ON CONSENT, WHICH I SAID ARE ITEMS A E F G H AND I, ARE THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS? OKAY.
SO I DO NEED A MOTION OR, UH, FROM THE COMMISSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA OUR YEAR FOR ITEM C, WHICH IS THE VILLA VILLAGE.
I'M SORRY, THE VILLAGE IS A CHANDLER
SO YOU, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM? WELL, WE SAW IT HAPPEN
SO YOU'RE TALKING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT ON, ON PRICE ROAD IN LA, BETWEEN ELLIOT.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE, OKAY, SO I WILL PULL THAT ITEM
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OFF A CONSENT.IF YOU LADIES WILL FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD TO SPEAK AND HANNAH TO, UM, OUR, TO ALYSSA, OUR CLERK.
AND THAT WAY WE'LL HAVE YOU TALK ON THAT ITEM.
THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS GO TO THE AUDIENCE AND ASKED ME, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WEREN'T SURE.
SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, MR. FLANDERS REMEMBERS WE'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN BEFORE.
SO WE'VE REMOVED ITEM, UM, APOLOGIZE ITEM G WILL COME OFF WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA THEN, SO WE CAN HAVE THE, UH, SPEAKERS ON THAT ONE.
SO THEN I HAVE ITEMS A E F H AND I ARE NOW ON CONSENT PRIVY TO THE LETTERS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FOCUS.
SO THEN I NEED A MOTION FOR THOSE ITEMS THAT I'VE READ AS, AS THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ANYBODY COMMISSIONER CLUB IT'S ITEMS, E F H, AND I LOOKED AROUND MAKE A MOTION COMMISSIONER BURLEY'S ON TOP.
WHO'S GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS. A E F H N I.
I HAVE A CONFLICT ON ITEM F SO IT WILL NOT BE VOTING.
ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THOSE ITEMS? IF NOT COMMISSION, PLEASE VOTE.
ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY WITH THE ONE EXCEPTION NOTED.
WE WILL START THEN WITH ITEM B EVERGREEN CHANDLER.
UH, THEN FIRST ITEM ON THE ACTION AGENDA IS PLH 20 ZERO ZERO ZERO SEVEN AND ZERO ZERO ZERO SIX, EVERGREEN CHANDLER.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN AREA PLAN AMENDMENT TO BE MADE TO THE CHANDLER AIR PARK AREA PLAN A REZONING AS WELL AS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON THE SCREEN.
YOU SEE BORDERED IN RED, THE LOCATION OF THE SITE, IT FRONTS ON THE EAST SIDE OF ARIZONA AVENUE.
IT'S ABOUT 16 AND A HALF ACRES IN SIZE SURROUNDING THE SITE.
YOU HAVE SELF STORAGE TO THE NORTH, A NURSERY TO THE SOUTH, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL NURSERY, UH, LAND USE HERE, UH, ALONG THE EAST, YOU HAVE THE RAILROAD AND THEN BEYOND YOU HAVE A LIGHT INDUSTRIOUS TYPE USES, UH, AND A LUMBER COMPANY AS WELL TO THE WEST.
AND YOU'RE SEEING THE FOOTPRINTS OF FUTURE MULTIFAMILY THAT IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT ON THAT PARCEL, UH, TO THE NORTH OF THAT IS A MOBILE HOME COMMUNITY.
ANOTHER QUICK LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING LAND USES, UH, HERE IS TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY, MORE TOWARDS THE BACK OF IT HERE TO THE SOUTH.
YOU'RE SEEING THAT NURSERY AND THE RAILROAD, AND THEN BEYOND THE RAILROAD TO THE EAST, UH, ARE THESE LAND USES ON THE RIGHT ONTO THE PROPOSAL? THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 396 UNITS.
THIS EQUATES AFTER RIGHT AWAY, DEDICATIONS TO 23.8 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THEY'RE PROPOSING TEN THREE STORY BUILDINGS, MOSTLY IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE, UH, AND ALONG, UH, ARIZONA AVENUE AND NINE TWO STORY BUILDINGS THAT YOU'RE SEEING ALONG THE PERIMETER.
THE TWO STORY BUILDINGS ARE TYPICALLY GARAGE ON THE BOTTOM AND A, A UNIT ABOVE THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS APPROXIMATELY 37 FEET IN HEIGHT.
AS PART OF THIS PROPOSAL, 722 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED.
AND THE APPLICANT IS MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT.
YOU CAN SEE THE SPACES THAT ARE PLANNED INTO THE KIND OF NESTED, UH, GREEN SPACES WITH EACH CLUSTER OF THE PROPOSED APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
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TWO POOLS AND A VARIETY OF OPEN COURTYARD AREAS.UH, THERE'S ALSO REMODELERS, UH, OUTDOOR BARBECUE AREAS, UH, AS WELL AS A DOG PARK HERE, UH, PICTURED BELOW IS THE RENDERING OF THE PROPOSED CLUBHOUSE THAT IS SITUATED AT THE FRONT VEHICULAR ENTRANCE TO THE SITE.
UH, HERE, THEY'RE USING AN ACCENTED ANGLED ROOF TO TRY TO GIVE A NOD TO THE AIR PARK, UH, BEYOND THAT THE REST OF THE ROOFS ARE FLAT PARAPET IN DESIGN, AND YOU'LL SEE THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING MATERIAL IS STUCCO AS WELL AS SCORED CMU.
UH, THEY HAVE SOME VARIATIONS IN THE BUILDING HEIGHT TO TRY TO BREAK UP THAT MASS AND THEN CANOPIES, UH, TO GIVE FURTHER ARTICULATION HERE, YOU HAVE PICTURED THE BACK.
THESE ARE THE INTERNAL THREE STORY BUILDINGS AND HERE ON THE TOP IS A THREE-STORY BUILDING.
THE ONE THAT'S LOCATED UP NEAR ARIZONA AVENUE AND ON THE BOTTOM IS A TWO STORY BUILDING TYPE THAT IS LOCATED ON THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE.
NOW ONTO THE GENERAL PLAN GUIDANCE, UH, JUST SIMILAR TO UPTOWN.
THIS SITE IS SITUATED IN AN AREA THAT IS DESIGNATED AS EMPLOYMENT FOR FUTURE LAND USE.
UH, HERE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, RESIDENTIAL CAN BE CONSIDERED, UH, ZOOMING IN ON THE, THE GENERAL PLAN HERE.
UH, ONE PARTICULAR ASPECT OF THIS AREA IS THAT WITHIN THE EMPLOYMENT RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE GENERAL PLAN, IT INCLUDES SOMETHING CALLED THE TRANSITIONAL EMPLOYMENT CORRIDOR.
AND I CALL IT OUT IN THIS EXHIBIT IN RED, UH, BEYOND THAT YOU SEE IN BLUE, THE GROWTH AREA FOR THE CHANDLER AIR PARK AREA, AND SIMILAR TO UPTOWN, AGAIN, A HIGH CAPACITY TRANSIT CORRIDOR NOT SHOWN EXTENDS DOWN ARIZONA AVENUE.
YOU CAN SEE THE SITE LOCATED BETWEEN ARIZONA AVENUE AND OUR RAILWAY.
SO THE EMPLOYMENT DESIGNATED LAND USE, UH, ALLOWS US TO CONSIDER RESIDENTIAL AS A INTEGRATED COMPONENT OF A MIXED USE AREA.
UH, WHEN YOU HOP OVER TO THAT PARTICULAR TRANSITIONAL EMPLOYMENT CORRIDOR, UH, PICTURED HERE IN RED, IT UNIQUELY RECOGNIZES THE EXISTING VARIETY OF LAND USES WE HAVE IN THAT AREA.
IT DOES SPAN FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, ALL THE WAY TO INDUSTRIAL USES, UH, ALL ALONG THAT SAME ARIZONA AVENUE CORRIDOR.
UH, THE GENERAL PLAN RECOGNIZES IT WITH THIS UNIQUE CORRIDOR AND IT ALLOWS A MIX OF THOSE USES THAT ARE EXISTING TO CONTINUE WHERE IT IS APPROPRIATE.
IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR YOU TO CONTINUE OR TO CONSIDER OTHER MIXED USES WHERE APPROPRIATE IT SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT THAT AS PART OF OUR REVIEW OR CONSIDERING THOSE MIXED USES THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT CONDITIONS SUCH AS THE ADJACENT LAND USES PARCEL SIZE TRANSITIONING TECHNIQUES THAT THE APPLICANT MAY BE PROPOSING.
UH, SO HERE, UH, ON THE LEFT IN RED IS THE SUBJECT SITE 16 ACRES, AND WE OUTLINED IN WHITE, UH, THIS AREA BOUND BY WILLIS ON THE NORTH GERMANE ROAD TO THE SOUTH.
THE RAILWAY ON THE RIGHT AND ARIZONA AVENUE ON THE LEFT, UH, IS AN APPROXIMATELY 75 ACRE AREA THAT IS GUIDED OR, UH, COMMERCIAL, UH, OFFICE BUSINESS PARK LAND USES, OR THE AIR PARK AREA PLAN AND AS EMPLOYMENT BY THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE 16 ACRE SITE BUY FOR KIDS THIS 75 ACRE AREA, UH, TO THE NORTH WHERE WE HAVE SELF STORAGE AND THEN ALSO VACANT PROPERTIES, WE FEEL AS THOUGH THOSE LAND USES IN THOSE PARCELS COULD BE ASSEMBLED AND POTENTIALLY REDEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE, BUT NOT AS WELL, OR AS HIGH-INTENSE OR REVENUE GENERATING AS IF THE ENTIRE SITE, UH, WAS HOLE OR MORE NEAR HOLE.
UH, THE SAME GOES FOR THE SOUTH.
UM, THE AFRICAN HAS PROVEN THAT ASSEMBLAGE OF THESE PROPERTIES AS POSSIBLE, THE EXISTING ZONING OF THE SITE WAS SMALLER.
THERE'S A SMALLER PLAN AREA DEVELOPMENT FOR COMMERCIAL LAND USES.
THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO ASSEMBLE AN ADDITIONAL STRIP HERE TO THE SOUTH TO NOW COME BACK AND ASK FOR THIS REZONING TO PAD AMENDED.
SO IT DOES SEEM THAT ASSEMBLAGE IS FEASIBLE AND HERE AS COMPARED TO, FOR EXAMPLE, UPTOWN, WHERE IT WAS AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT EMPLOYMENT AREA,
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WE DON'T FEEL AS THOUGH IT REALLY MEETS THAT GUIDANCE OF BEING WELL INTEGRATED.UM, ALSO DIFFERENT HERE IS THAT THE EMPLOYMENT LAND USES AREN'T ESTABLISHED TO THEIR MAXIMUM POTENTIAL HERE YET.
UH, IN THE UPTOWN EXAMPLE, YOU KNEW WHAT THOSE EMPLOYMENT LAND USES WERE, AND THEY WERE PRETTY, UM, THEY WERE LOWER ON THE SCALE, UH, OF INTENSITY SUCH THAT IT WAS DEFINITELY INAPPROPRIATE LAND USE TO BE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL.
UH, THEY COULD ACTUALLY SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER HERE.
WE WOULD ANTICIPATE A CONFLICT BETWEEN THESE TWO LAND USES OF RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND THE EXISTING MORE EMPLOYMENT ORIENTED LAND USES ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE IN THE AIR PARK AREA.
UH, IT IS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND IT IS PROPOSED IN AN EMPLOYMENT AREA THAT PROJECT, UH, CAMDEN HERE, UH, DID GO THROUGH TO GET AN AREA PLAN AMENDMENT, UH, AND A REZONING TO ACCOMMODATE ITS DEVELOPMENT.
AND HERE AGAIN, IF YOU SEE THE WHITE BORDER, WE BELIEVE THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH IS IN THE RELATIVE SAME AREA, DOESN'T PRESENT A CONFLICT AS THIS PROPOSAL DOES.
WE BELIEVE OF AN EXAMPLE, UH, WITH THE GUIDANCE, WITH THE GENERAL PLAN GUIDANCE.
AGAIN, THE PICTURES OF THE EXISTING LAND USES, IF YOU WOULD TRY TO IMAGINE PUTTING ALMOST 400 OR MORE THAN 400 RESIDENTS, ALMOST 400 UNITS IN WELL ABOVE 400 RESIDENTS, UH, NEXT TO THESE LAND USES, UH, THAT'S TYPICALLY A PAIR OF CONFLICTING LAND USES THERE.
YOU'RE WONDERING, WELL, HOW CAN RESIDENTIAL CAN BE ACCOMMODATED IN THIS AREA IF THE GENERAL PLAN SAYS THAT WE CAN CONSIDER IT? I HERE'S A PICTURE OF THE AREA PLAN, THE CHANDLER AIR PARK AREA PLAN.
I JUST WENT OVER CAMDEN AS THE PREVIOUS ARIEL THAT WE SAW, UH, SHOWING US AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE COULD WORK AND BE CONSIDERED MORE INTEGRATED, UH, INTO EXISTING OR FUTURE MIXED USES.
WE ALSO HAVE NORIA AND SKY APARTMENTS HERE, UH, AS WELL AS LAB VALENCIA.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THIS AREA PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THAT THESE ARE LOCATED IN AREAS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED FOR RESIDENTIAL, AS WELL AS A UNIQUE RECOMMENDED LAND USE OF SPECIAL USE COMMERCIAL, WHICH ALLOWS FOR, AND ACTUALLY RECOMMENDS, UH, THE MOST INTENSE DENSITIES TO BE DEVELOPED.
SO PER THE GUIDANCE OF THE GENERAL PLAN, THOSE APPEAR TO MAKE, THEY APPEAR TO ALIGN WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHEREAS OUR PROPERTY HERE, OR THE SITE DOESN'T ALIGN AS WELL.
LOOKING AT THE CHANDLER AIR PARK AREA PLAN, THE SITE IS RECOMMENDED FOR COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUSINESS PARK.
RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE COMMERCIAL LAND USES, UH, ACCOMMODATED IN THE EXISTING ZONING.
UH, IT'S ALSO WITHIN A LIGHT RAIL CORRIDOR OVER OVERLAY.
AGAIN, BOTH OF THESE DO ALLOW YOU TO CONSIDER RESIDENTIAL HERE.
UM, HOWEVER, THE MAIN COMPONENTS ARE THE MAIN RECOMMENDATIONS OF THIS AREA PLAN, UH, ARE LISTED HERE, PRIMARILY INSURED LAND, USE COMPATIBILITY, PROTECT THE EMPLOYMENT AREAS.
SO THAT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN UPTOWN, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE YOU HAVE THE BROAD EMPLOYMENT RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE GENERAL PLAN.
AND THEN WHEN YOU MOVED TO THE AREA PLAN, IT GIVES YOU GUIDANCE ON HOW TO APPLY THAT EMPLOYMENT SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND HERE IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS PROTECT EMPLOYMENT, UH, FURTHER PROTECT AIRPORT FROM INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES, PRESERVE AND GROW EXISTING BUSINESSES AND FULLY DEVELOP HIGH QUALITY EMPLOYMENT CENTERS IN THOSE COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUSINESS PARK RECOMMENDED AREAS, WHICH THE PROPOSED SITE IS.
UH, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSAL MEETS OR ALIGNS WITH ANY OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, I'VE GONE OVER ALREADY THE, UH, CONFLICT OF THESE TWO LAND USES OR MULTIPLE LAND USES.
UH, I REMOVING THE EMPLOYMENT PROPERTY.
YOU ARE NOT PROTECTING EMPLOYMENT, BUT FURTHER IF WE, IF THE CITY APPROVES POTENTIALLY A PROPOSAL FOR MULTIFAMILY HERE, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE FUTURE PROPOSALS FOR MULTIFAMILY.
SO IN THIS AREA, WITHIN THAT 75 ACRE AREA, SO WE WOULDN'T JUST LOSE 16 ACRES, WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOSE 75 ACRES.
SO LOSING 75 ACRES OF LAND, UH, COULD EQUATE TO LOSING A POTENTIAL OF JUST UNDER 400,000 SQUARE FEET OF EMPLOYMENT LAND USES, SOME OF WHICH ARE EXISTING ON A SITE
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NOW, BUT COULD BE DEVELOPED FAR MORE INTENSE, UH, AS WELL AS 18,000, APPROXIMATELY SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL LAND USES THE CHANDLER AIR PARK AREA PLAN.ONE OF THE STRONGEST COMPONENTS OF IT IS PROTECTING OUR EMPLOYMENT LAND USES THE MAIN ONE BEING THE AIRPORT.
UH, SO AS PART OF THE PUBLIC PLANNING PROCESS, THIS ITEM DID HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE, UH, AIRPORT COMMISSION.
UH, THEY SUBMITTED A CONFLICT EVALUATION, UH, AND DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSAL DOES CONSTITUTE A CONFLICT WITH THAT EXISTING BUSINESS THAT WE WANT TO REMAIN AND CONTINUE TO GROW.
UH, THE MAIN REASON FOR, UH, THE DETERMINATION OF A CONFLICT IS A FACT THAT A HIGH NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WILL BE LOCATED NEAR THE FLIGHT PATH AND WILL BE EXPOSED TO AIRCRAFT NOISE.
WHEN WE MOVED BACK, WE WANT TO SUPPORT COMPATIBLE LAND USES AND PROTECT THE AIRPORT.
THESE INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES THE AIRPORT VALUES, PRESENTS A THREAT TO THEM, CONTINUING TO GROW AND THRIVE IN CHANDLER.
AND FOR THOSE REASONS, UH, AS I'VE STATED, WE FIND THE PROPOSAL IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE EMPLOYMENT FUTURE LAND USE, AS WELL AS THE CHANDLER AIR PARK AREA PLAN.
AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING DENIAL.
THANK YOU, CHRISTINE QUESTIONS THERE I DO FOR MR. KIMBALL.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, I GUESS I'VE GOT A CONCERN OR MAYBE TRY TO UNDERSTAND THEY CHANNEL AIR AIRPARK PLAN AND FUSING THIS TECHNICAL, BUT THEY WOULD TALK ABOUT PROTECTING EMPLOYMENT.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT, HE PUT 392 UNITS IN THERE.
400 RESIDENTS THAT'S EMPLOYMENT.
THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WORK SOMEPLACE THAT'S EMPLOYMENT.
I'M A BIG OPPONENT FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.
CHANDLER'S SMALL BUSINESSES ARE HURTING.
THEY NEED PEOPLE TO GO TO RESTAURANTS AND BARS AND STORES.
WE NEED DENSITY AND THIS COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO A COMMERCIAL STRIP OF PROPERTY THAT MIGHT EMPLOY A HUNDRED PEOPLE WHO MIGHT LIVE HERE.
MY WORK THERE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH THIS PLAN AND LOOKING AT PROTECTING EMPLOYMENT, THIS PROJECT WILL CREATE EMPLOYMENT, WHETHER IT'S IN THE MINE OR NOT, IT WILL CREATE APPOINTMENT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN SETTING VACANT.
IT'S BEEN VACANT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 19 YEARS, THAT'S I'M GOING IN THERE.
WHY NOT BETTER USE FOR A DENSITY TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WILL CREATE JOBS AND VISIT HANDHELD BUSINESSES IN CHANDLER? BECAUSE JUST THAT'S MY COMMENT, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR, WE DO AGREE WITH YOU.
THE ONLY CONCERN OR ISSUE THAT WE FIND IS THAT THAT LOCATION SPECIFICALLY IS NOT THE BEST LOCATION IN OUR, UH, AIR PARK AREA.
IF IT'S LED TO THE SOUTH AND LESS, UH, DIVIDED THIS LARGER AREA LESS, WE BELIEVE IT WOULD COME CLOSER TO ALIGNING WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE GUIDING PLAN.
UM, ALSO MORE RECENTLY WITH COVID HAPPENING.
WE HAVE BEEN GETTING PROPOSALS FOR LARGER SCALE INDUSTRIAL USES, AND IT'S HARD TO CITE THOSE.
AND THIS IS LARGE, SEVENTY-FIVE ACRE POTENTIAL, A POTENTIAL SITE, UH, THAT WE FEEL THIS PROPOSAL WOULD TAKE OFF THE TABLE.
UH, BASED ON THE EXAMPLE ON THE RIGHT, WE'RE NOT AGAINST RESIDENTIAL.
IT HAS A PLACE THERE, BUT WE JUST DON'T FEEL THAT THIS EXACT LOCATION IS THE RIGHT PLACE, BUT YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS A MOBILE HOME PARK THERE.
THE EXISTING ZONING DID PERMIT THAT BY, RIGHT.
JUST AS A COMMENT THAT LAND ACROSS THE STREET HAS BEEN THAT MOBILE HOME PARK PROBABLY FOR 30 YEARS IS ALSO NOT NEXT TO AN INDUSTRIAL PARK AS WELL.
IT'S ON A DIFFERENT SIDE OF THE STREET WHERE THERE'S MORE RESIDENTIAL ON THAT SIDE, SO, OKAY.
ANY OTHER FOR STAFF, COMMISSIONER BERLIN THROUGH THE CHAIR? UM, CHRISTINE, THANKS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
AND, UM, JUST TO, JUST TO EDUCATE US, DO YOU NOT OFFER OTHER PARCELS WHEN YOU GO TO DENY A PROJECT, DO YOU NOT SUGGEST OTHER POTENTIAL PARTIALS TO,
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OR PARCELS TO DEVELOPERS? YOU WERE THE CHAIR, UH, IN SOME SITUATIONS WE MAY, UM, ADVISE OF THE AVAILABILITY OR BETTER SUIT MINT OF OTHER LOCATIONS.UM, IN THIS SITUATION WE DIDN'T GUIDE THEM TO ANOTHER SITE.
UM, BECAUSE MAINLY THE, THE AIRPORT COMMISSION DOES THE RESIDENTIAL AS A, A CONFLICTING LAND USE.
AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO OVERSTEP.
YOU, THE COMMENTS WERE THROUGH THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER, KRISTEN.
UM, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT IS BEING BUILT ON THE CORNER ON THAT STAY ON THE CORNER OF GERMANE AND ARIZONA AVENUE.
THAT'S GOING TO BE THE NORTHWEST CORNER.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE MOST CLOSE TO ARIZONA AVENUE.
IT'S ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL USES AND THEN BEYOND IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MULTIFAMILY, IT'S ALL HARD ZONE PIECE FROM WHAT? 35 YEARS AGO.
DAVID, YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT? YES.
UH, I BELIEVE THE QUESTION IS REGARDING THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF ARIZONA AND JERMAINE, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO THAT SITE HAS BEEN ZONED
IT, WHEN IT WAS ANNEXED FROM THE COUNTY, IT WAS GIVEN AN MP3 ZONING AND SAT VACANT FOR, FOR 30 YEARS AS THE CHAIRMAN, UH, MENTIONED.
UH, BUT IT'S HAD MP3 ZONING THIS WHOLE TIME.
AND JUST RECENTLY, UH, APARTMENT DEVELOPERS, TWO DIFFERENT APARTMENT DEVELOPERS HAVE CONTACTED THE CITY WITH PLANS TO, TO BUILD ON THAT
AS LONG AS THEY MEET ALL OF OUR ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THEY CAN BUILD THERE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS OR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT THAT USE IS ALLOWED BY.
AND THE ONES UNDER CONSTRUCTION, CORRECT? YES.
ONE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND ANOTHER WILL SHORTLY FOLLOW.
AND HOW MANY UNITS DO YOU EXPECT IN THAT CORNER? PROBABLY AROUND 400.
AROUND 200 FOR EACH DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S BY RIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S AN OLD, BECAUSE A HARD ZONE PIECE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH A COMMISSIONER COUNCIL, SO, CORRECT.
SO THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CLUB.
YOU MENTIONED THAT WHILE YOU'RE THERE AT A FOLLOW-UP ON THAT, THE, SO THOSE TWO, THOSE TWO PARCELS, DID THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY FOR THEM THROUGH THE CHAIR COMMISSIONER CLUB ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER, RIGHT? UH, NO, THEY DID NOT BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAD THE ZONING.
AND, UH, I, CHRISTINE REMINDED ME THAT THERE IS A SMALL STRIP OF C3, UH, COMMERCIAL ZONING ALONG ARIZONA AVENUE AS WELL, IN ADDITION TO THE MF THREE ZONING.
UM, HEARTACHE THAT I HAVE A LITTLE BIT ON THIS ONE, I GET THE, THE EMPLOYMENT CORRIDOR AND I SUPPORT THAT.
THE CHALLENGE I'M HAVING IS WHAT ARE THE SEVERAL OTHER HIGH DENSITY PROJECT PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT IN ARE VERY TESTABLE SUBSTANTIALLY CLOSER TO THE, OR FOR SKY NORIA.
THOSE, I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THIS BEING REALLY ON THE FRINGE OF THEIR BOUNDARY FOR THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY WHEN THEY BARELY ALLOWED IT AND BREAK THEIR BACKYARD, BASICALLY.
SO I HAVE CHALLENGES WITH WHAT THAT, OF BILE TO THE, FROM THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
I'M JUST NOT KIND OF MESHING IN MY MIND.
CAN YOU HELP WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT? SURE.
KEVIN DID CHIME IN TO FINALLY ADDRESS, UM, ACTUALLY NOT.
YOU MIGHT TELL THE STORY BEST FROM THE GET GO.
SO CHAIRMAN, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, NORIA SKY, UH, HORIZON, ALL OF THOSE OUT THERE.
UM, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER GONE TO EVERY COMMISSION WITH SOMETHING RESIDENTIAL AND DIDN'T COME OUT WITH A RECOMMEND WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF CONFLICT, A FINDING OF CONFLICT ON ANYTHING IN THE NINE SQUARE MILES.
UH, EACH ONE OF THOSE THAT NEEDED TO GO THERE, OR EITHER A FUN MOMENT, UH, OR SIMPLY THE REZONING AND THE BOWL.
THOSE TYPES OF CASES GO TO AIRPORT COMMISSION.
THEY MADE A FINDING OF CONFLICT ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
UM, EVEN IF THE AIR PARK AREA PLAN HAD
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IT AS ONE DESIGNATION AND THE REQUEST WAS A TICKET TO A LOWER INTENSITY, THEY STILL MADE A FINDING OF CONFLICT.UM, EVEN THE THINGS THAT ARE ALL THE WAY AT THE NORTH END OF PAKOS, UH, HAVE MADE THAT FINAL CONFLICT.
SO IT'S NOT UNUSUAL THAT REGARDLESS OF AT THE FRINGE OR KIND OF AT THE CORE THAT THE AIRPORT COMMISSION MAKES A FINDING OF CONFLICT.
UM, SO, AND THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T VIEW IT, EMBED IT THROUGH THE EYES OF THE EMPLOYMENT CORRIDOR.
THEY SIMPLY LOOK AT IT THROUGH, DOES THIS REPRESENT A CONFLICT FOR TODAY OR TOMORROW'S AIRPORT OPERATIONS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT VERY NARROWED CONFLICT EVALUATION PROCESS IS FOR.
SO DON'T GET TOO HUNG UP IN THE, IN THE AIRPORT COMMISSIONS KIND OF RECOMMENDATION.
THAT'S, IT'S THE, THE REAL MEAT OF THIS AS THE GENERAL PLANS CONFORMANCE AND STAFF'S EVALUATION OF IT.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY HYPOCRITICAL HAD THAT FEELING A LITTLE BIT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT BACK FOR ME, I MISSED THAT IT WAS MORE THAN ONE QUARTER THAT WAS DRIVING.
AND IT'S BEEN UNFORTUNATE FOR THE AIRPORT COMMISSION SINCE THEY REALLY HAVE A CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE, AS LONG AS YOU CHOOSE PATHWAY OR PATH B.
AND IF YOU CHOOSE PATH B, YOU HAVE ONE PATH TO, TO GIVE TO ALL THINGS.
THERE'S NO WEIGHT TO THE, THIS ONE'S A CONFLICT BY, BY TECHNICALITY, BUT IN PRACTICALITY, IT'S NOT VERSUS THIS ONE'S REALLY, REALLY BAD.
THERE IS NO WAY TO SCALE TO THAT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY UPDATING THE AIRPORT CARRIER PLAN RIGHT NOW.
AND WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT CONFLICT EVALUATION PROCESS SO THAT IT HAS A MORE BALANCED, APPROPRIATE CONFLICT EVALUATION TO BRING FORWARD THE PLANNING COMMISSION COUNCIL.
OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER BERLIN.
UM, AND THIS IS WHERE I THINK I NEED SOME EDUCATION.
AND WAS IT COMMISSIONER CLUB MAYBE SUGGESTED OR WORK MR. KIMBALL? UM, IN REGARDS TO WHAT GOES, WHERE OVER THERE WE DID, DID WE NOT JUST PUT SOME SORT OF A CORRUGATED BOX FACTORY ON THE EDGE OF THE RUNWAY A COUPLE YEARS AGO? OR WHAT WAS THAT EXACTLY THAT WE PUT OVER THERE ON THE VIRTUALLY ON THE EDGE OF THE RUNWAY? CAN SOMEBODY SHARE WITH ME WHAT THAT WAS? THAT WAS AN INDUSTRY? I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT IT WAS.
IT WAS, IT WAS A, UM, I THINK IT WAS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL THAT GOES ON THAT, UH, EAST SIDE OF THE RUNWAY.
I CAN KIND OF THE, THE NORTHEASTERN END OF, OF THE RUNWAY, IT WAS A, UH, ULTIMATELY A BUSINESS CALLED SOLID CABINETRY.
IT WAS A FIVE MINUTE ZONING CASE.
CABINET COMPANY ON THE EDGE OF THE RUNWAY.
WELL, IT'S NOT, WHEN YOU SAY THE EDGE OF THE RUNWAY, IT'S, IT'S FAR ENOUGH BACK FROM THE RUNWAY WAS APPROVED THROUGH COMMISSIONING COUNCIL THAT ALSO BROUGHT A NEW COMPANY TO CHANNEL THAT BROUGHT A LOT OF JOBS WITH, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY AS WELL.
I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE A DIGITAL RUNWAY, BUT IT WAS NOT WITHIN AIRPORT PROPERTY.
IT WAS NOT WITHIN KIND OF THE CLEAR ZONES AND ALL THAT, BUT IT WAS OUTSIDE THE FENCE AT THE END OF THE RUNWAY.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHERE I THINK I, I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, WE, WE JUST NEED MORE EDUCATION ON WHAT GOES ON OVER THERE.
OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER FLANDERS THROUGH THE CHAIR, GOING BACK WHEN I FIRST STARTED ON PLANNING COMMISSION A FEW YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MUCH GRAY HAIR THAN LIKE YEAH.
WHICH, YOU KNOW, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.
AND I REMEMBER A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THAT WERE COMING ALONG ARIZONA AVENUE.
AND AS IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME, UM, OUTSIDE OF THIS FORUM THAT ANYTHING ON THE EAST SIDE OF ARIZONA AVENUE IS INDUSTRIAL OR EMPLOYMENT, ANYTHING ON THE WEST WAS MULTIFAMILY OR SOME TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL.
AND CHRISTINA, I WAS GLAD THAT YOU SHOWED THOSE PICTURES BECAUSE IT KIND OF CONFIRMED TO ME AS FAR AS THE INTENSITY AND WHAT'S GOING ON ON THAT SITE AND AROUND IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT I WAS A LITTLE HESITANT WITH THE MULTIFAMILY, EVEN THOUGH THROUGH THE COURSE OF TIME, THE, YOU KNOW, GENERAL PLANT IN OUR CODE AND EVERYTHING ELSE HAS EVOLVED.
SO, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM IS, YOU KNOW, THE INTENSITY ON THAT EAST SIDE FOR ANY TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL.
SO BEFORE I GO TO THE APPLICANT, UM, I'M GOING TO MAKE A COUPLE OF MORE COMMENTS AND, UM, THE AIRPORT DEAL HAS ALWAYS DRIVEN ME KIND OF CRAZY BECAUSE THEY DO CONFLICT WITH EVERYTHING, WHETHER IT'S LEGIT OR NOT.
AND YOU KNOW, ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A HOUSE THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT AND RENTALS.
BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS CASE AND I, I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT IS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE EMPLOYMENT PART OF IT, THAT WE HAVE X AMOUNT OF LAND IN OUR CITY, AND WHEN WE START GIVING IT AWAY AND IT'S BEEN DIRT FOR A LOT OF YEARS, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE DIFFERENT PARCELS AS WE GET RID OF THEM, OR WE ZONE THEM THAT
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WE'RE GETTING THE BEST USE FOR THE FUTURE, AS IT'S NOT LIKE A CITY WHERE WE'RE ONLY AT 20% BILL THAT WE'RE 90% RESIDENTIAL, APPROXIMATELY PROBABLY 80% NOW ON, ON, UH, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL.SO I JUST, THAT'S ONE OF MY CHALLENGES WITH THIS CASE.
I'M ANXIOUS TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, BUT EVERY TIME WE GIVE A PARCEL AWAY, AND ESPECIALLY NOW ACROSS THE STREET, WE HAVE 400 UNITS GOING INTO READY AND I'M DEGREE DISAGREE, COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL ABOUT HAVING, UM, MORE BODIES, BUT WE ALSO NEED EMPLOYMENT AS WELL TO HELP THOSE BODIES.
SO THEY'RE NOT DRIVING OUTSIDE OF CHANNEL AS WELL.
SO, BUT, UM, WE'LL GO TO THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT HERE WHERE HE HAS TO SAY, RIGHT, FOR THE RECORD, CHARLES EMAIL, UM, FEW ADVANTAGES TO PRESENTING, ESPECIALLY AFTER RECOMMENDATION.
NOW, ONE OF THEM IS THAT I CAN BE IN THE ROOM WITHOUT A MASK, WHICH THESE DAYS IS RARE.
SO IT WON'T SURPRISE YOU THAT WE HAVE A DIFFERENT SORT OF VIEW OF, OF WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE.
AND WE'VE WORKED WELL WITH STAFF.
WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
IT'S, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A FIGHT.
IT'S JUST THAT WE SEE THE WORLD IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
AND I'D LIKE TO TAKE SOME TIME TO EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW WE SEE THE SITE DIFFERENTLY AND WHY WE FRANKLY JUST DISAGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.
AND I GUESS HEARING THE PRESENTATION, I'M GOING TO START MY PRESENTATIONAL DIFFERENTLY THAN I WAS GOING TO.
IT'S NOT A 75 ACRE PIECE IN SOME COUNTRIES, I SUPPOSE IT WOULD BE, BUT IT ISN'T.
AND THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEFORE YOU, WE'RE ONLY BEFORE YOU WITH APPROVAL TO ASK FOR A REZONING ON THE PIECE THAT'S OWNED BY THE PERSON WE'RE TRYING TO BUY IT FROM.
AND ULTIMATELY THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS SITE, UM, AND I'M GOING TO MOVE AHEAD A LITTLE BIT.
UH, THIS SITE TODAY HAS LUCIEN AND GRAVEL, UM, USES ON IT.
SOME OLD STRUCTURES IS A SITE THAT THE OWNERS HAVE, UM, UH, WORK TO ASSEMBLE.
AND YES, IT HAS BEEN ASSEMBLED OVER TIME.
SINCE THE EARLY EIGHTIES, SINCE BEFORE I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL, THIS PROPERTY HAS WORKED WITH ASSEMBLE TO SEVEN PIECES.
IT WAS REZONED IN 2008 TO BE SPECIFIC FOR COMMERCIAL USES.
IT'S BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR COMMERCIAL USES SINCE 2000 DATE.
THAT SEEMS LIKE LONGER THIS PANDEMIC YEAR, BUT, BUT IT'S STILL 2020 FOR NOW IN ALL THAT TIME, THEY'VE HAD A FEW OPPORTUNITIES COME FORWARD TO PURCHASE THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, BUT NEVER THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
AND I WANT TO SPEND SOME TIME TODAY TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY OF THIS PROPERTY AND WHY WE SEE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY SEES AS A BAD THING, AS A GOOD THING FOR US.
UM, WHEN I MOVED BACK FOR A SECOND, THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT WE WANT TO BUILD.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE FROM MY CONVERSATIONS AND WHAT I'VE HEARD TODAY, MOST OF, OF WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, LAND USE ISSUES.
SO I'M GOING TO SPEND THE BULK OF THE TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT.
SO IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT I MISSED THAT RELATE TO THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT, THAT'S CERTAINLY LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THOSE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE THE HEARING IN STUDY SESSION.
AND NOW, SO I'M GOING TO FOCUS MOSTLY ON THOSE ISSUES.
UH, THE SITE HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO YOU BY STAFF AT, IT SEEMS LIKE ALMOST EVERYONE KNOWS THIS PART OF TOWN PRETTY WELL.
UM, AS STAFF POINTED OUT, UH, NORTH OF US, UH, THERE'S A SELF STORAGE PLACE.
IT'S, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT QUITE PROFITABLE AND THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN DOING SOMETHING ELSE BEHIND THAT.
THERE'S ADDITIONAL GROWING SPACE, AGRICULTURAL SPACE.
UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF INDUSTRIAL USES ALONG THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAILROAD, BUT THE RAILROAD IS IMPORTANT.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER SOUTH OF US, ARE THERE A NUMBER OF USES, UH, BUT MOST PARTICULARLY THE FACT THAT COUNTY OWNS A SLICE OF THIS, BUT REALLY MOON VALLEY IS THE BIG PIECE.
AND WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FOLKS THAT OWN MOON VALLEY.
UH, THEY PURCHASED THE SITE NOT TOO LONG AGO.
THEY TELL US THAT THEY PLAN TO USE THIS SITE INDEFINITELY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT DEFINITELY MEANS.
AND I'VE CERTAINLY HEARD OF THE SPEAK OVER TIME ABOUT WHAT INDEFINITELY MEANS AND HOW LONG THINGS CAN TAKE BEFORE THE CHANGE.
BUT THE REALITY IS THIS SITE IS IT HAS CHALLENGES.
IT'S NOT LIKELY TO BE SOMETHING ELSE FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO BUSINESSES ON EITHER SIDE OF US THAT FRANKLY HAVE NO INTEREST IN THE CITY'S PLANS TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
PERSONALLY, I THINK IT'S WORTH POINTING OUT AND SEVERAL HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE UPON A TIME MOBILE HOME COMMUNITIES, RV PARKS
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WERE CONSIDERED A TEMPORARY USE.AND, UH, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE CASE ANYMORE, AS WE'VE ALL SEEN IN THE NEWS RECENTLY IN UNLESS YOU'RE DISCIPLINED ENOUGH TO WATCH NOT WATCH THE NEWS, WHICH PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE YOUR PERSON, UH, WE'VE NOTICED OVER TIME, THE PRICES FOR MOBILE HOME COMMUNITIES AND RV COMMUNITIES ARE SO SIGNIFICANT THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING ELSE.
SO FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, THIS SITE, WHICH SOME WOULD LIKE TO ENVISION AS A LARGER OFFICE SITE IS FRANKLY NOT, IT'S NOT A CLASS SAY OFFICE SITE, IT'S NEXT TO A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT CLASS, THAT OFFICE DOESN'T REALLY LOOK FOR.
WE'RE ALSO NEAR A REFUSED TRANSFER STATION AGAIN.
UM, IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SITE, OTHER INDUSTRIAL SITES AROUND IT.
UM, FOR MANY USERS, INCLUDING CLASS I OFFICE, IT'S REALLY NOT A GOOD PARTNER.
AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE THAT MAYBE THOSE THINGS DON'T MAKE IT A GREAT PLACE FOR RESIDENTIAL, I WILL TELL YOU WE DISAGREE AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY, BY THE WAY, THIS IS THE TRANSFER SITE, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM OUT OF THE YEAR, WHAT WE'RE REALLY LEFT WITH IS THIS SITE, A SITE THAT'S BOXED IN AND IT'S LONG AND IT'S NARROW, AND THAT PROVIDES SIGNIFICANT ACCESS CHALLENGES.
THE RAILROAD MAKES IT EVEN HARDER.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN FIND A WAY TO WORK WITH PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRACKS AND FIND ACCESS THERE.
THIS IS THE SITE WE HAVE, AND IT'S NOT LIKELY TO BE A DIFFERENT SITE.
AND, UH, AN OFFICE SITE FRANKLY, WOULD GENERATE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND FIVE TIMES.
THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IS RESIDENTIAL SITE STAFF MENTIONED IT IT'S, IT'S BEEN COBBLED TOGETHER OVER MANY, MANY YEARS.
AND AS I MENTIONED, THOSE MANY, MANY YEARS STARTED IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES DON'T PLAN, UH, DOES, AS YOU'VE HEARD FROM STAFF ALLOW YOU TO CONSIDER THIS USE AND WE THINK IT MAKES GOOD SENSE.
NOT MENTIONED SOME OF THE TOPICS THAT STAFF HAS MENTIONED.
SO YOU'LL SEE ME PASS THROUGH SOME OF THESE MORE QUICKLY.
THERE IS A HIGH CAPACITY TRANSIT CORRIDOR HERE.
AGAIN, THAT WOULD ADVOCATE FOR A MIX OF USES SOME OFFICE, SOME RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE LEARNED, UH, ESPECIALLY BEFORE COVID, BUT I THINK WE'LL FIND THAT TO BE TRUE AFTER IS THAT IN ADDITION TO FINDING PLACES THAT PEOPLE CAN LIVE, THEY ALSO WANT TO WORK CLOSE BY AND VERSA.
I THINK ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES THAT ARIZONA HAS, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN CHANDLER IN PARTICULAR HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN BRINGING BUSINESSES FROM CALIFORNIA IS BY HAVING A LOWER COST OF LIVING, BUT ALSO HAVING A LIFE WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE NEARBY.
UH, COMMISSIONER, YOU, YOUR POINT ABOUT DOWNTOWN IS ABSOLUTELY WELL-TAKEN.
IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE LIKE ABOUT THIS SITE, CHANDLER AS A FABULOUS DOWNTOWN, IT'S BEEN GROWING, IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE TO GROW ALL DOWNTOWNS ARE.
UM, AND THOSE STRUGGLING BUSINESSES, PARTICULARLY STRUGGLING NOW BECAUSE OF COVID, BUT DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES ALWAYS HAVE SOME CHALLENGES, BUT THEY NEED AS CUSTOMERS.
AND WHAT WE PLAN TO PROVIDE AS CUSTOMERS, THIS SITE IS FRANKLY, A SHORT BIKE RIDE OR VERY SHORT UBER.
UM, AND, UH, MAYBE EVEN A SHORT RUN TO THE DOWNTOWN, THE AMENITY OF THIS SITE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO LIVE HERE.
AND NONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO LIVE HERE WILL BE FORCED TO LIVE HERE.
EVERY ONE OF THEM LIVES HERE WILL BE LIVING HERE KNOWING THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY RENTED THEIR APARTMENT.
THEY WANTED TO BE IN THIS LOCATION AND A BIG PART OF IT'S GOING TO BE ITS ACCESS TO THE FREEWAY.
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S ACCESS TO THE DOWNTOWN.
THAT WILL BE THE AMENITY, THE REPORT.
UH, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE AIRPORT FOR JUST A FEW MINUTES, BUT I THINK THE CHAIRMAN'S RIGHT, IT'S A TOUGH THING TO CONSIDER.
I WOULD SAY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE LEARNED FROM THE AIRPORT COMMISSION, WHICH IS A FAR CRY FROM THE FOUR FORMAL PROCESS YOU SEE HERE TODAY.
IN FACT, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO AN AIRPORT COMMISSION, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO SIT THROUGH ONE BEFORE YOU TAKE ADVICE FROM IT.
IT'S, IT'S QUITE A DIFFERENT PROCESS.
AND I THINK SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD IN A VERY DIFFERENT WAY THAN THE DELIBERATIVE PROCESS THAT YOU TAKE HERE.
BUT THE THING WE HEARD THAT WAS MOST IMPORTANT WAS THE AIRPORT DIRECTOR HIMSELF SAYING THAT THEY HAD NEVER RECEIVED A COMPLAINT FROM A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENT.
HE HIMSELF SAID IT'S SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE THAT CAUSED THE ISSUE.
HAVING SAID THAT THERE ARE SOME PROCESSES IN PLACE WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO NOTIFY RESIDENTS.
AGAIN, NONE OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE MOVING HERE ACCIDENTALLY.
THEY'RE MOVING HERE ON PURPOSE.
AND SO WE'RE HAPPY TO NOTIFY THEM OF THE AIRPORT.
WE THINK IT WOULD BE PRETTY SURPRISING IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW, BUT WE CERTAINLY WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE COMPLAINING TO THE CITY.
AGAIN, THE AIRPORT IS, UH, QUITE A DISTANCE FROM US.
UH, THE AIRPLANES TAKE OFF IN A VERY DIFFERENT WAY.
THERE'S A, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL.
SO THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD BE THE THING THAT CAUSED THE AIRPORT ISSUE WOULD BE SORT OF ODD.
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AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT ALMOST NONE OF THE AIRPLANES ACTUALLY FLY OVER THE SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.THEY FLY OVER LOTS OF THE OTHER SITES AND QUITE FREQUENTLY, AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THIS MAP, BUT THEY DON'T REALLY FLY OVER THE SITE.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THESE UNITS ARE FOR A SECOND.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WE TALK ABOUT WHY STAFF DOESN'T SEE THIS SITE AS A GOOD SITE.
WE KNOW THAT IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM A MOBILE HOME COMMUNITY.
ONE THAT FRANKLY OFFICE USERS AREN'T GOING TO WANT TO BE PART OF IT.
WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A TRANSFER STATION JUST DOWN THE STREET AND IT, MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
IF YOU'RE PAYING BIG RENT DOLLARS, YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO DRIVE BY THAT.
WE ALSO KNOW WE'RE NOT IN THE DOWNTOWN.
AND THAT, THAT ALLOWS US AN OPPORTUNITY.
AND THAT OPPORTUNITY IS THAT THIS SITE, FRANKLY, IS NOT A GREAT SITE.
AND SO IT'S DEPTH, IT'S LACK OF AESTHETICS, ALLOW US TO GET THE SITE AT A BETTER PRICE TO DO IT WITHOUT A PARKING GARAGE, UH, TO PROVIDE THE SAME FINISHES AND AMENITIES, BUT DO IT AT A LOWER PRICE.
AND WE KNOW FROM WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS SAID IN THE PAST, FROM WHAT YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HAS SAID IN THE PAST, NOT PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE SITE AND WHAT WE KNOW JUST FROM LIVING LIFE AND TALKING TO PEOPLE, IS IT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES ARIZONA ATTRACTIVE IS IT'S COST OF LIVING, BUT THAT'S GROWING.
AND THE UNITS THAT ARE DOWNTOWN, FRANKLY, ARE MORE EXPENSIVE.
THE UNITS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ARE INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED.
THEY'RE THREE STORY AND TWO-STORY UNITS, AND THEY'RE DESIGNED TO BE LESS EXPENSIVE.
THEY'RE DESIGNED TO MEET THAT WORKFORCE CRITERIA.
AND SO WE THINK PEOPLE COME HERE KNOWING THAT, KNOWING THAT THEY WILL PAY LESS RENT FOR A LESS DESIRABLE LOCATION, BUT THAT IT'S STILL DESIRABLE FOR THEM.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SPEND THEIR TIME DOWNTOWN.
THEY DO IT BECAUSE IT'S CLOSE TO WORK.
AND WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE WHO COME HERE AND LOOK FOR EMPLOYMENT, ONE OF THE CATEGORIES THEY LOOK FOR IS CLOSE BY RENTAL PROPERTIES THAT PEOPLE CAN, CAN LIVE IN.
AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LOTS OF WAYS TO FIND IF, IF WE'RE BRINGING A GREAT NEW COMPANY IN, AND FRANKLY, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS, I THINK IT WAS YOU THAT ASKED ABOUT SOLID, YOU KNOW, SOLID BROUGHT 200 EMPLOYEES TO CHANDLER AND, AND SOME OF THEM LIKE THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY CAN FIND SOME PRETTY IMPRESSIVE HOUSING AND CHANDLER IT'S.
THERE THERE'S SOME BEAUTIFUL HOMES TO LIVE IN, BUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE LIKE THE ONES THAT LIVE THERE ARE GONNA ARE GOING TO BE, UM, NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY AND SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE TEACHERS AND SOME OF THEM ARE GONNA WORK IN THE RESTAURANTS DOWNTOWN.
AND WHAT WE'RE CATERING TO IS FINDING A PLACE NEAR THE DOWNTOWN WHERE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO LIVE SPECIFICALLY CHANDLER.
LIKE MOST CITIES REFERS TO THAT AS WORKFORCE HOUSING, WORKFORCE HOUSING, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, IS 80 TO 120% OF THE AMI.
AND SPECIFICALLY OUR RENTS ARE DESIGNED FOR THAT.
YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS CHART THAT, UH, IN FACT, I'LL EVEN GO A STEP FURTHER.
FOR EXAMPLE, A ONE BEDROOM, THE LOW POINT FOR 80% WOULD BE A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR ONE PERSON, UH, 1600 FOR, UH, SOMEBODY AT 120%.
WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE WHERE $1,327, THE SAME AS YOU CAN SEE.
AND I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK THROUGH.
THESE IS TRUE FOR A TWO BEDROOM OR THREE BEDROOM.
AND SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S THIS NEED, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT PICKING THE MOST ATTRACTIVE PIECE, BUT WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT THAT PIECE OF LAND IS UNLIKELY TO BE SOME OTHER USE.
IT'S UNLIKELY TO BE A 75 ACRE OFFICE DEVELOPMENT.
AND IF IT'S NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SORT OF THE THING PEOPLE TALK ABOUT WITH MIXED USE.
THEY SAY, WELL, IN MY MIND, WOULDN'T IT BE WONDERFUL IF WE HAD THIS LITTLE FRENCH MARKET DOWNSTAIRS AND FRESH FLOWERS AND ORANGES THAT ARE SORT OF, UM, ASSEMBLED IN A PYRAMID.
AND IT'S GREAT WHEN THAT HAPPENS AT A MIXED USE PROJECT, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENS.
AND IF YOU PICK THE WRONG PLACE, THE THING THAT'S MOST LIKELY TO HAPPEN NEXT IS YOU END UP NOT WITH THIS DREAM OF A FRENCH MARKET, BUT AN EMPTY SPACE.
AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GET A 75 ACRE DEVELOPMENT, AND FRANKLY, WE ARE IN NO POSITION.
AND WE DON'T THINK YOU ARE EITHER TO TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T OWN ON THE EITHER RIKERS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THOSE ACRES.
AND SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THIS SITE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY A SAND AND GRAVEL OPERATION WITH THE VACANT STRUCTURES, COULD SIT THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME, IS THAT, OR IT CAN BE THIS, IT CAN BRING RESIDENTS DOWN TO THE DOWNTOWN, IT CAN BRING IT TO THE OFFICE CORRIDOR AND IT CAN DO IT IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND THAT FRANKLY OFFERS A RENTAL POOL THAT ISN'T READILY AVAILABLE IN THE AREA.
I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE.
I'M HAPPY TO SPEND MORE TIME ON IT.
I KNOW YOU HAVE OTHER CASES THIS EVENING.
UM, I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT PARKING FOR A MINUTE.
I DID HEAR THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT, UH, PARKING AND WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT GUEST PARKING.
UH, WE'RE PREPARED TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL 14 SPACES THAT WOULD BE GUEST PARKING.
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IF THAT WOULD PLEASE THE COMMISSION.THERE WAS ALSO SOME DISCUSSION AND QUESTION AND LANDSCAPING.
UH, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU LOOK AT OURSELF BORDER, UM, WE WILL HAVE ONE OF THE GREATEST LANDSCAPED PROPERTIES AND CHANDLER, ASSUMING YOU INCLUDE THE NURSERY AS WELL.
UH, BUT WE HAVE NOT ASSUMED THAT IN OUR CALCULATIONS.
AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE ADDED A BUFFER.
WE'VE ALSO ADDED, UH, AN IMPORTANT LANDSCAPED AREA ALONG ARIZONA AVENUE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD THE SECTION IS REALLY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A LONG DEEP SITE.
THE THING THAT YOU'LL REALLY SEE IS WHAT HAPPENS ALONG ARIZONA AVENUE.
AND WE HAVE ADDED FROM THE SECTION.
YOU CAN SEE SEVERAL ROWS OF LANDSCAPING THAT WE THINK WILL BE QUITE NICE.
HOWEVER, UH, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GATES ITSELF AND WE HAVE A PROPOSAL TO SOLVE THAT AS WELL.
UH, WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE TO DO IS ADD THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WE WORK WITH A LOCAL ARTIST TO CREATE SOME, UM, ART, PARTICULARLY ART.
IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE, UM, REFERENCING THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA, WHICH IS THE AIR PARK ON THE GATES AND FENCE.
WE THINK THAT WOULD BE ATTRACTIVE BOTH FOR THE CITY OF CHANDLER, BUT ALSO FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
I'M HAPPY TO GO OVER BUILDING ELEVATIONS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THAT, THAT YOU HAVE BOTH A LONG EVENING AND, UH, WE'RE NOT THE ONLY CASE THAT'S PART OF IT AND THAT NO ONE IN THE COMMISSION SO FAR HAS RAISED ELEVATION ISSUES, HAPPY TO DISCUSS THEM.
THE STAFF POINTED OUT, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME FEATURES THAT ARE DESIGNED TO EMULATE OR PAY HOMAGE TO THE FACT THAT IT'S AN AIR PARK IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE INDUSTRIAL AND THAT IT HAS AN AVIATION BENT TO IT.
UM, I ASSUME THAT I WILL GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS AND OTHER THINGS FROM THE COMMISSION POTENTIALLY FROM THE PUBLIC, IF THAT'S THE CASE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
IS, WAS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO HAD ANY ISSUES OR ONE OF THE TALKS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? OKAY.
UM, STAFF, CAN YOU ADDRESS, UM, I HEARD THE, UM, YOUR OFFICE USED QUITE A BIT BY THE APPLICANT.
CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? WAS THERE PLANS? I MEAN, I HEARD CLASS, I OFFICER AT OUR OFFICE THROWN IN HERE.
UM, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT AT ALL? SURE, ABSOLUTELY.
THE ACTUALLY LET ME PULL UP OR IF YOU HAVE THE AREA PLAN IN HERE SOMEWHERE NEARBY THE AIR PARK AREA PLAN RECOMMENDS COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUSINESS PARK, UH, HERE, UH, AND THEN THE EMPLOYMENT DESIGNATION BY THE GENERAL LAND USE RECOMMENDS EMPLOYMENT.
UH, DOES IT SPECIFY CLASS A, DOES IT SPECIFY A, I THINK YOU SAID A FLOWER BOUTIQUE OR A SMALL CAFE? NO.
UH, WE ALSO AGREE THAT THOSE MAY NOT FIT THIS SITE WELL.
UM, BUT OTHER MORE COMMERCIAL, UH, LAND USES COULD WORK.
WE BELIEVE COULD WORK ON THIS SITE.
UM, NOT NECESSARILY CLASS A OFFICE.
AND THAT MAY BE A BENEFIT OF THIS SITE IS THAT EVERY CITY NEEDS NON BEAUTIFUL LAND USES AS WELL.
AND THEY NEED LOWER PAYING JOBS AS WELL TO FUNCTION COMPREHENSIVELY.
UH, AND THAT'S WHERE WE THINK THIS SITE SURROUNDED BY LESS THAN BEAUTIFUL AND LESS THAN QUIET, UH, LAND USES.
UH, THIS SITE SHOULDN'T HAVE OPPOSITION TO A FUTURE POTENTIAL LAND USE LIKE THAT, UH, WHICH IS WHY WE WANT TO KEEP IT PRESERVED.
I'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT AS WELL.
TREVOR, I THINK THAT THE CLEAREST REASON THAT I ASSUME CLASS SAY IS BECAUSE STAFF SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED 400,000 SQUARE FEET AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT A LIGHTER USE OF ITS 400,000 SQUARE FEET AND THAT ACREAGE.
UM, CAN YOU, HAVE YOU BEEN CONTACTED BY OTHER THAT ARE INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING A LARGER, OR I SHOULDN'T SAY THE CITY, UH, UH, COULD BE POSSIBLY DEVELOPING THIS WHOLE PARCEL.
AND ALSO TO THAT POINT, HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION IN THE CITY AND THE MOON VALLEY IN THE STORAGE FACILITY TO THE NORTH, TO WHERE THOSE ARE VIABLE OF TRACKS FIVE YEARS OR SOMETHING, UH, THAT WOULD NEGATE KIND OF THE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO SIT ON THERE FOR 30.
DOES THAT NEGATE THE USE OF, OF THIS APPLICANT, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR? UM, I SPECIFICALLY AM NOT AWARE OF THE
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PLANNING DEPARTMENT WORKING WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPERS, UH, AGGRESSIVELY PURSUING THOSE SITES AT THIS TIME.UM, I AM AWARE OF A LARGE NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED IN THIS AREA.
I'M LOOKING FOR PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA.
UM, I'VE ALSO SPOKEN INTERNALLY WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY'VE SHARED THAT PER THEIR REVIEW, THE EXISTING ZONING AS FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL LAND USE.
WE HAVE THAT NOW, WHY WOULD WE GIVE IT AWAY TO A RESIDENTIAL LAND USE WHEN IT CONFLICTS WITH THE GUIDANCE OF THE PLAN FOR EMPLOYMENT OR COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUSINESS PARK? SO NOT A PRIVATE DEVELOPER, A PRIVATE DEVELOPER, BUT OUR CITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
NOW, WHAT, WHAT ABOUT THE, THE TWO PARCELS TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH? AS FAR AS THEM WE'LL CALL IT NEVER LEAVING OR TURN THAT KIND OF, AND IT KILLS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS LARGER, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SARGENT DEVELOPMENT, REAL, WHATEVER, AND IT STARTS BREAKING THIS UP INTO SMALLER PIECES.
ONE MOMENT HERE, I'M GOING TO BRING BACK UP MY PRESENTATION.
I MENTIONED THE APPROXIMATELY 75 ACRE AREA, TISHA, AN EXISTING, UM, QUASI CRITICAL MASS THAT EXISTS THERE.
UM, IT HASN'T BEEN EXCESSIVELY DEVELOPED.
WE HAVE EXISTING BUSINESSES THERE.
UM, AND THERE IS A, AN AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT THAT THE CITY OF CHANDLER IS VERY APPRECIATIVE OF AND WE WANT THEM TO REMAIN OR GROW.
UM, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN RECENT EXCESSIVE INVESTMENT STRUCTURALLY INTO THOSE PROPERTIES.
AND SO YOU COULD SEE THE REDEVELOPMENT THERE BEING MORE FEASIBLE THAN A SITE THAT HAS BEEN REDEVELOPED MORE RECENTLY, UH, 75 ACRES.
THAT'S A DREAM IN THE SKY THAT MAY NOT BE ACHIEVED OVER TIME.
UM, EXCUSE ME, ONE SECOND, CHRISTINA, YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOW US SOMETHING BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING POPPING OUT OR ARE YOU TRYING TO PRESENT? I AM.
I AM TRYING TO SHOW YOU A PAPERCLIP AND MAYBE BECAUSE I'M SCANNING THROUGH MANY SLIDES LOOKING FOR IT.
THE 75 ACRES MAY NEVER FULLY ASSEMBLE AND REDEVELOPED.
UM, AND I I'D PROBABLY SAY THAT'S MORE CERTAIN THE FULL 75 AS ONE COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT, VERY UNLIKELY.
HOWEVER, PUTTING RESIDENTS HERE APPROVING THIS INCREASES THE LIKELIHOOD THAT WE WILL GET MORE PROPOSALS FOR MULTIFAMILY TO THE SOUTH OR TO THE NORTH INSTEAD OF EMPLOYMENT, OR IF WE GET PROPOSALS FOR EMPLOYMENT, UH, IT MAY COME AT AN OPPOSITION FROM THE RESIDENTS TONIGHT.
WE HAVE PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR SPEAKER CARDS FOR SINGLE STORY, MEDIUM DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S A VERY, REALLY LOW INTENSITY USE.
UH, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT 400 NEARLY UNITS HERE OF RESIDENTS.
AND WE FEEL AS THOUGH WE'RE GOING TO GET COMPLAINTS INSTANTLY FOR THE EXISTING LAND USES SURROUNDING IT, BUT ALSO OPPOSITION TO FUTURE EMPLOYMENT TO THE NORTH OR SOUTH.
SO EVEN IF THE SMALLER NORTHERN AREA, UH, COULD DEVELOP, THAT'D BE GREAT.
OR THE SOUTHERN COULD DEVELOP INSTEAD OF THE FULL 75, THAT WOULD STILL BE A BENEFIT TO THE CITY.
AND WE'RE CONCERNED THAT EVEN THOSE OPTIONS COULD BE AT RISK DUE TO THE, THIS INJECTION OF RESIDENTS.
I HEAR YOUR ARGUMENT ON THAT, BUT IT'S PREMISED ON A PRIVATE LANDOWNER TO THE NORTH OR THE SOUTH WANTING TO SELL THAT PROPERTY, WHICH WE HAVE NO INDICATION THAT THEY WANT TO DO.
SO TO SAY THAT IT COULD IMPACT EMPLOYMENT DOWN THE ROAD, NORTH OR SOUTH OF THIS PLOT IMPLIES THAT THERE'S WANTING TO BE MOVEMENT OF PROPERTY.
IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN IT COULD BE VERY ATTRACTIVE TO A FUTURE BUYER TO HAVE RESIDENTS RIGHT THERE.
THAT COULD BE THEIR WORKFORCE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF I HOLD THE, I DON'T KNOW IF I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT ARGUMENT THAT IT COULD IMPACT EMPLOYMENT DOES NORTH OF THE SOUTH.
IF, IF WE DO THIS, ASSUMING WE CANNOT GET ALL THE PARCELS TOGETHER, ALL 75 ACRES TOGETHER DID NOT MAKE SENSE.
UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING IF THE EXISTING, UH, LET'S SAY AREA TO THE NORTH, IT'S AN EXISTING
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EMPLOYMENT LAND USE RESIDENCY.YOU DON'T THINK WILL CONFLICT WITH THAT.
UM, AND IF IT REDEVELOPS, IT'S YOUR OPINION, IT, IT WON'T CONFLICT WITH RESIDENTS.
YEAH, I'M SAYING THE PREMISE OF THE ARGUMENT THAT STAFF HAS PUT FORWARD IS THAT WE POTENTIALLY SEE CONSOLIDATION OF PARCELS OVER TIME, WHICH COULD LEAD TO A BIGGER DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE ALSO HAVE HAD VACANT LAND FOR 12 YEARS.
AND AS COMMISSIONER KIMBALL SAID EARLIER, THIS DOES BRING JOBS.
WHETHER IT'S THIS, IT'S THE SAME QUANTITY OF JOBS YOU GET ON THAT PARCEL OR NOT, WHO KNOWS IT IS NOT AN ATTRACTIVE SITE.
WE KNOW, WE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGH INFILL OR RE REDEVELOPMENT FOR ANYTHING.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE WHOLE PREMISE IS THAT WE THINK WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE, BUT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE COMMITMENT FROM MOON VALLEY OR THE STORAGE UNITS TO WANT TO DO THAT, TO SELL, TO COMBINE OR HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S TRYING TO PUT THAT ALL TOGETHER, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE DOING A LOT OF WHAT FCN COULD HAVE.
AND THAT LOOKING AT THE IMPACT OF THIS.
WE ARE OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE EXISTING EXISTING BUSINESSES ALWAYS WANT TO MAINTAIN OR INTENSIFY, YOU KNOW, INCREASE THEIR LAND USE, UH, OR POTENTIALLY SELL TO DEVELOPER, UH, OR JUST AS THE GUIDING PLAN IS GUIDING US IT'S FOR EMPLOYMENT.
IT IS, YOU KNOW, HE MENTIONED THE EIGHTIES.
THAT'S WHAT LONG RANGE PLANS ARE FOR.
UH, RESIDENTIAL IN THE AREA WE DO BELIEVE COULD SUPPORT JOBS LIKE, UH, THE STATEMENT THAT HAS BEEN MADE.
AND WE HAVE QUITE A FEW NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS ACROSS THE STREET, UH, THAT WILL HELP SUPPORT JOBS AND BUSINESSES.
WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THIS JUST ISN'T THE RIGHT LOCATION AND FURTHER, UH, WHILE THIS COULD HELP A SMALL AMOUNT OF, UH, OTHER BUSINESSES POP UP HERE, WE ARE CONCERNED THAT THIS SITE'S A MILE AND A HALF FROM DOWNTOWN.
I'M NOT GOING TO WALK OR RIDE MY BIKE A MILE AND A HALF TO DOWNTOWN.
SO YOU'RE INJECTING AT LEAST 722 VEHICLES THAT IF THEY WANT TO USE DOWNTOWN, THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE THERE.
AND A SURFACE PARKING SPACE IS ABOUT APPROXIMATELY $5,000 TO BUILD.
THEY STRUCTURED PARKING SPACE, MAYBE $20,000 TO BUILD.
IT'S A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR DOWNTOWN TO ACCOMMODATE THE VEHICLE FROM THESE INDIVIDUALS.
WE ARE NOT CERTAIN IT'LL ACTUALLY SUPPORT THOSE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN IN THE WAY THAT WE WANT THAT'S MOST STRATEGIC, UH, IN THIS GROWTH AREA OR DOWNTOWN GROWTH AREA.
I, I FIND THAT THROUGH THE CHART, I FIND THAT ARGUMENT TO BE HARD TO BUY IN FROM A DOWNTOWN PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE SAYING WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE RESIDENTS EVER BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE PARKING TO SUPPORT IT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THE RESIDENTS COME FROM.
THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO DOWNTOWN.
SO WHETHER WE PUT IT HERE OR NOT, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE CARS IN DOWNTOWN.
RIGHT? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.
UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR INPUT.
OUR GOAL IS TO ACCOMMODATE THIS DENSITY ACTUALLY HIGHER DENSITY IN DOWNTOWN ACCOMMODATING MULTI-FAMILY HERE MAY DRAW ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY TO BE PROPOSED TO THE SOUTH OR NORTH.
DOES THAT DECREASE THE INTEREST? UH, IN DOWNTOWN IT DEVELOPERS KNOW THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEMO AS MUCH.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO ASSEMBLE AS MANY SMALLER PARCELS TO DEVELOP MULTI-FAMILY DOWNTOWN, BUT THEY CAN BENEFIT FROM THE JOB DOWNTOWN A MILE AND A HALF AWAY.
UH, THAT'S A CONCERN OF OURS, CORRECT? UH, GENERALLY ACROSS A FREEWAY TO GET TO DOWNTOWN.
I THINK THAT'S YOUR POINT MORE THAN JUST HAVING PEOPLE WALK.
I LIVE A MILE AND A HALF AND I'VE DONE THAT WALK DOWN ARIZONA, BUT MY, BUT SHE BROUGHT UP PARKING SPACES, PARKING DOWNTOWN, RIGHT.
AS AN ARGUMENT TO NOT PUT IN RESIDENTIAL, I THINK WHAT SHE WAS TRYING TO SAY, THERE WAS MOST PEOPLE GREG WOULD NOT WALK A MILE AND A HALF TO GET THE DOWNTOWN.
THAT'S ALL, SOMETIMES UBER IS NOT AVAILABLE.
CHARLES, DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT? AND THEN THANK YOU.
UM, IT'S CERTAINLY IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE.
AND EVEN WITH OTHER CITY STAFF THAT AS WE MAY RECALL, WHEN WE DID THE CORNER OF ARIZONA AVENUE AND SHANNON, WE PUT IN ADDITIONAL BIKE RACKS AND OTHER THINGS, BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD PEOPLE WOULD COME FROM MILES AWAY AND I THINK THEY WILL FOR A DOWNTOWN, I'M GOING TO DO IT EVERY DAY, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE HEADING OUT FOR A NICE SATURDAY AFTER ENDEMIC.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SORT OF DISCUSS A NUMBER OF THOSE ISSUES.
THE FIRST IS EACH CASE IS ITS OWN CASE.
AND US HAVING A CASE THAT GETS APPROVED FOR A VERY SPECIFIC SET OF FACTS, WHICH WE SPENT PROBABLY AN HOUR TALKING ABOUT NOW IS WHEN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT TIME.
AND IF THEY HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME
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SET OF FACTS, THEN MAYBE THEY SHOULD, BUT THAT NEVER HAPPENS.WE ALL KNOW THAT AS IT RELATES TO US BRINGING RESIDENTS WHO ARE GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR THE OFFICE, I WOULD SAY THAT ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT WE WOULD EXPECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS THAT IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, THAT WE WOULD HAVE A NAVIGATION EASEMENT, THAT NAVIGATION EASEMENT IS TO STOP US FROM COMPLAINING ABOUT AIRPLANES AND AIRPLANE NOISE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ADD INTO THAT, THAT, THAT THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE PRECLUDED FROM, UH, AND ITS RESIDENTS WOULD BE PRECLUDED FROM ARGUING AGAINST FUTURE, UM, FUTURE OFFICE.
I DON'T SEE THAT AS A REALISTIC CONCERN, BUT IF THE CITY DOES FINE, WE'LL BE GLAD TO ADD THAT TO OUR LIST OF THINGS WE AGREED TO SPECIFICALLY, AS IT RELATES TO THE OWNERS OF THE NORTH AND SOUTH.
ONE OF THE THINGS THE CITY OF CHANDLER REQUIRES IS A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
WE DID THAT, THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH AND THE CELL ATTENDED VIRTUALLY.
AND WE'RE EXTRAORDINARILY CLEAR THAT THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN CHANGING THEIR PROPERTY.
AND FRANKLY, THEY DID NOT LIKE THE IDEA THAT THE CITY WAS INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S BOTH THE MINI STORAGE AND WOODEN VALLEY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I CAN, ANYBODY ELSE I WOULD JUST, UH, I JUST WANT TO WEIGH IN ON IT.
IT'S, UH, IT'S PROBABLY A TOUGH NIGHT TO BE PROPOSING SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND THE, AND THE EMPLOYMENT, YOU KNOW, THE 2016 GENERAL PLAN, UH, ALONG WITH, I WANT TO, I I'M LOSING COUNT OF ALL THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES COMING INTO TOWN.
UM, I THINK THERE'S FOUR, THREE OR FOUR TONIGHT.
AND THEN WE FOUND A COUPLE MORE ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER GERMANE AND THE VACANCY IS STILL THREE, 4% IN CHANDLER.
IT'S THE, THEY CAN SEE IT IS VERY LOW AND WE'RE HEARING THAT.
AND SO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, I COULD SEE THIS PROJECT MAYBE FURTHER SOUTH DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, BUT, UH, MY STANCE WOULD BE, I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO HOLD OFF AND SEE, YOU KNOW, I TRUST THE CITY BECAUSE THE STAFF KNOWS WHAT'S COMING IN AND WHO'S SOME OF THE END-USERS ARE, AND THEY'VE BEEN PLANNING THIS FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
SO I DON'T, I JUST DON'T SEE IT AS A VIABLE REZONE IN MY BOOK HURT.
I'M GOING TO THANK YOU, CHARLES.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE FLOOR, UM, AND OPEN UP FOR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON, ON THE PROJECT.
I APPRECIATE THE VICE-CHAIR COMMENTS AND COMMENTS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONER FINDERS, ANYBODY I'M GOING TO WEIGH IN A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN WE MAYBE MOVE TOWARDS EMOTION, BUT YOU KNOW, THE EXPRESSION I ALWAYS GET CRAZED ABOUT OVER THE YEARS OF DOING THIS IS THAT SOMETHING'S BEEN VACANT FOR A LONG TIME, BECAUSE THIS COULD BE DIRT FOR DIRT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
IT COULD BE A MILLION YEARS DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE, BUT DO A GENERAL PLAN.
AND WE DO A LONG RANGE PLAN TO HAVE PROTECT CERTAIN CORRIDORS IN OUR CITY.
UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE QUALITY OF THE PROJECT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE TONIGHT.
THE APPLICANT HAS, THERE'S LOTS OF GREAT FEATURES ON THE BACK KIND OF THING, BUT I LOOK AT LAND USE AND WHETHER IT'S HAPPENING THREE YEARS FROM NOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, MOON VALLEY WAS ON CHANDLER BOULEVARD.
THEY WEREN'T GOING TO MOVE FOR YEARS.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ZEROS GOT RIGHT ON THE NUMBER AND THEY MOVED.
UM, BUT I THINK AS WE, IF WE, AS A COMMISSION, AS COUNCIL START GIVING UP PARCELS, THEN DOWN THE ROAD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME, A LITTLE BIT OF A HODGEPODGE AT THE SAME TIME.
AND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF MULTI-FAMILIES.
WE HAVE A LOW VACANCY RATE, LIKE I SAID, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF GERMANE AND ARIZONA AVENUE, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 400 UNITS.
WE'VE GOT FOUR OTHER PROJECTS TONIGHT THEY'RE BEING ASKED TO BE APPROVED.
I HAD THE SAME CONCERN ON JERMAINE AND MCWANE WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE BUILT VERY BEAUTIFUL MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS, BUT WE TOOK LAND USE AWAY THAT WILL NEVER COME BACK TO EMPLOYMENT.
AND THAT'S MY HEARTBURN WITH THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
SO, UM, I'LL LEAVE IT FOR OTHER COMMENTS FOR ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS YEAH.
THROUGH THE CHAIR, MR. FLANDERS.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH THE, UM, CHAIRMAN HUMAN'S COMMENTS RELATED, RELATED TO THE EMPLOYMENT AREAS.
I KNOW CHANDLER'S HAD A REAL GOOD REPUTATION OF PROTECTING EMPLOYMENT AREAS.
I THINK NOW PROBABLY MORE THAN EVER.
UM, I AGREE WITH THE CHAIRMAN, AS FAR AS COMMENTS ON THE DESIGN, IT IS A NICELY DESIGNED, UM, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.
BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, THE INTENSITIES OF ADJACENT USES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT JUST, IT JUST DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME.
AND, UH, NSI, MISS SAID EARLIER, IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN EMPLOYMENT AREA,
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SO WE NEED TO PROTECT, CONTINUE TO PROTECT THOSE AREAS.SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS COMMISSIONER OVER THE CHAIR GOVERNMENT CAMERA'S FOR LONG I'LL GO PERMISSION.
UM, SO I HAVE A FEW THINGS ARCHITECTURALLY.
I THINK THE HOPKINS DONE A GREAT JOB WITH FEATURES.
UM, THE, THE OVERALL DESIGN AND CONCEPT HAS SIMILAR PROJECTS HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE VALLEY THAT I'M FROM AND THEY'VE BEEN PLAYED OUT VERY WELL.
AND SO THEY'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.
UM, IF WE, IF THIS WERE TO GO FORWARD, UM, THERE ARE SOME STEPS THAT I LIKE TO WORK WITH.
UH, MOST OF WHICH THE AFRICAN ART AS SUPPORT, UM, OR ALREADY DISCUSSED ONE WOULD BE WORK STAFF TO HAVE GUEST PARKING.
UM, AND I THINK THE GUEST PARKING NEEDS TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN SESSIONS, UM, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES TO BE SPLIT BETWEEN, UH, DIFFERENT QUADRANTS, DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, JUST SO THAT NOT EVERYTHING'S ALL LOADED AND THEN NOBODY HAS ANY IN THE BACK.
SO IT IS SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO HAVE A STIPULATION REGARDING, I LIKED THE IDEA ABOUT BRINGING IN AN ARTIST TO DO, UH, THE FENCE AND GATE, UH, DESIGN.
AND I THINK THAT COULD BE KIND OF FUN.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE WE TALKED A LITTLE ABOUT BEFORE STUDY SESSION, AND THAT IS THAT THE BACK, UH, UH, GROUPING OF BUILDINGS, THE FRONT TWO BUILDINGS HAVE POOLS AND OTHER AREAS.
THE ONE JUST HAS A BARBECUE AND RAMADA.
I WOULD, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY YOU NEED TO PUT A POOL BACK THERE, BUT EXPAND THAT, DO SOME, DO SOME MORE RECREATION, ADD SOME MORE A MINUTE, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THOSE BUILDINGS.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THE STIPULATIONS THAT IT SHOULDN'T GO FORWARD, THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, THAT WE ADD INTO IT DEFINITELY KIND OF, FOR THOSE GOALS.
I DO AGREE THAT IT IS, IT WOULD BETTER, FURTHER SOUTH.
IT WAS A CORNER LOT OR LIKE THAT.
I RECOGNIZE ALSO STAFF'S CONCERN ABOUT SETTING A PRECEDENCE OF A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT HERE.
WE HAVE 200, 100, THE CONSTRUCTION, ONE GETTING READY TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, FRED AROUND THE CORNER.
WE HAVE TWO LARGE FACILITIES OR COMMUNITIES MILE AWAY, AND THEY'RE A MILE AND A HALF AWAY WE HAVE.
UM, SO MY CONCERN IS I, I DON'T WANT THIS TO NECESSARILY TURN INTO A MULTI-FAMILY CORRIDOR WHERE EITHER IT'S STARTING TO GO DOWN THAT PATH.
SO THAT DOES RAISE A RED FLAG FOR ME, HOW MANY, I THINK THE COMMUNITY NEEDS IT, UM, THE BEST SPOT FOR THE, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCT.
UM, AND IT'S, IT IS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE IT IS A GOOD LOOKING PRODUCT AND HAVING THE ADJACENT TO DOWNTOWN AND SO ON.
SO I REALLY AM KIND OF ON THE FENCE ON THIS, BUT IF IT WAS, IF YOU HAD THE CIRCLE K SIDE ON THE CORNER, WE MIGHT BE HAVING A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION, BUT IT IS BROKEN UP THAT WAY.
I DO SEE PRECEDENTS BEING SET THAT THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, BUT, UH, OVERALL, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, ARCHITECTUALLY GOOD LOCATION I THINK IS, IS TROUBLESOME.
SO, UM, ACTUALLY MORE OF A POINT OF ORDER RECOMMENDATION THAT WE READ YOUR STIPULATIONS AND, AND VOTE SO THAT WHEN WE DO VOTE, WE HAVE IT ALL IN.
I, I THINK WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER, CLUB'S JUST TALKING ABOUT SOME POTENTIAL STIPULATIONS.
WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
SO I'M SAYING IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
AND THEN WE COULD VOTE ON A MOTION, BUT WE HAVE NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR, SO, OKAY.
SO DID YOU EVER, YOU SAID YOU HAD SOME COMMENTS.
UH, I DO, UH, I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS.
IT'S A TOUGH PARCEL OF PROPERTY.
AND I THINK WE'RE SPEAKING BOTH SIDES OF OUR MOUTH.
WHEN WE SAY WE SHOULDN'T TAKE AN APPOINTMENT AND MAKE IT MULTIFAMILY, THEN ON THE SAME NIGHT VOTE FOR, WELL, IT, ALL OF US SPEAK ON A GREAT PROJECT ON ELLIOTT IN ARIZONA, THAT'S MOVING AN EMPLOYMENT TO MULTIFAMILY.
THAT'S CONTRACT, IT'S CONTRADICTORY.
WE SHOULD VOTE ON THIS IN THE MERITS OF WHAT IT IS.
IS IT A GOOD FIT? IT'S I PARTICULARLY THINK IT'S A GOOD DESIGN AS A, AS MULTIPLE,
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UH, PEOPLE COMMENTED ON THE DYESS.IT'S WELL-DESIGNED WE NEED MORE MULTI-FAMILY, UH, AFFORDABLE MULTI-FAMILY.
UM, AND WE NEED THAT FOR JOBS THAT MIGHT NOT BE A DIRECT ECONOMIC ENGINE, BUT IT SUPPORTS ALL THE BUSINESSES HERE, WHICH IS EMPLOYMENT.
SO I IT'S, UH, IT'S A TOUGH LOCATION.
WE CAN'T FORCE THE APPLICANT GO SOUTH.
WE CAN'T FORCE MOON VALLEY OR, WELL, WE, AS A BODY CANNOT FORCE A MOON VALLEY AND WE CANNOT FORCE, UM, THE STORAGE UNITS TO SELL, TO MAKE IT A BIGGER PARCEL TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT, WHICH MIGHT MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR REDEVELOPMENT TO A BIGGER AND BIGGER COMMERCIAL USE.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
UH, IT'S A TOUGH CALL, BUT I, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING THIS WE'RE, WE'RE NOT BEING CONSISTENT NECESSARILY WITH HOW WE'RE TREATING EMPLOYMENT IN THE SAME NIGHT.
I THINK STAFF KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER ON THUMP, PUT WORDS IN CHRISTINE'S MOUTH, BUT THE ELLIOT AND ARIZONA AVENUE PARCEL IS I THINK COMMISSIONER CALLED MADE A REAL GOOD POINT, BUT THAT'S A CORNER IT'S NOT BREAKING UP STUFF.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT, UM, YOU HAVE AN EMPTY PARCEL IT'S ON A CORNER.
I THINK IF THIS WAS BY THE CIRCLE, K WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
WE OUGHT TO USE YOUR CONVERSATION, I THINK, BUT BREAKING IT UP IN THE MIDDLE.
SO, UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO GET A MOTION FROM SOMEBODY ON THE TABLE IF SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS CASE? OKAY.
I'VE GOT TO HAVE EMOTION SOMEWHERE.
MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM B PLH 20 DASH ZERO OR A SEVEN SLASH PLH 20 DASH ZERO ZERO SIX.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT, OKAY, GOT IT.
YOU CAN, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION OR ADD STIPULATIONS, WE CAN DO THAT, BUT, UM, YOU'LL HAVE, IF, IF YOU WANT TO AMEND THE MOTION, RIGHT? CAN I AMEND THE MOTION AND YOU CAN AMEND THE MOTION, THEN WE'LL GET THE EMOTION MAKER.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO THE COMMISSIONER CALLED JUST IDEAS WERE THAT WAS WORKING WITH THE STAFF AND HIS RECOMMENDATIONS GOING FORWARD IS THE MOTION MAKER.
WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL SIMULATIONS.
THAT'S MY POINT OF ORDER EARLIER, TRYING TO GET MR. CLUB TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE STIPULATIONS THAT OKAY.
SO W WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
DO I HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MOTION AND A FUTURE DISCUSSION CHAIRMAN? IF I COULD JUMP IN FOR ONE SEC, MR. MISTAKES, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE IMMERSED IN, SORRY, KEVIN, UH, IT DOES MEAN MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
UH, WE NEED TO SEND FORWARD SOME STEPS, UH, TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY ON THE RECORD AT THE MOMENT, OTHER THAN CONCEPT STEPS FROM COMMISSIONER CLUB.
SO WE WOULD HAVE OUR BASE LEVEL STEPS THAT WE SEND FORWARD WITH ALL, UH, ZONING CASES AND PDPS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO READ INTO THE RECORD NOW, UH, AND THEN ADD TO THAT YOURS, UH, AND THEN SEND THOSE FORWARD A PACKAGE BECAUSE WITHOUT THEM, IT GOES FORWARD WITHOUT CONDITION.
UM, AND SO IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THAT ROUTE, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE WANT TO READ INTO STEPS, AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
CAN YOU PUT THEM UP ON THE, ON THE MONITOR TOO AND READ THEM IN THAT WAY, OR JUST PUT, PUT IT UP ON THE MONITOR.
WE CAN LOOK AT THEM IF YOU WERE TO DO IT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO, SO AS THIS GOES DOWN THIS PATH, WE'VE GOT STEPS HERE THAT ARE STANDARD BOILER PLATE STEPS.
UM, IF, IF THEY, IF THE CASE IS GOING TO TRAVEL DOWN AN APPROVAL PATH, THERE ARE TWO STEPS THAT ARE IN RED.
SO WHEN I PUT THESE ON THE SCREEN, WHEN I EXPLAIN WHAT THESE THINGS LOOK LIKE, WHY SOME ARE BLACK, WHITE, SOME ARE RED, UM, THERE ARE TWO THAT ARE RED THAT STAFF WOULD WANT TO ADD, UH, IF IT'S GOING TO BE CONSIDERED FOR APPROVAL, UM, THAT ADDRESS PROTECTING THOSE FUTURE EMPLOYMENT SITES ON THE NORTH AND ON THE SOUTH.
UM, SO, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT WAS AWARE THAT WE HAD FOR THROUGHOUT THE TIME THROUGHOUT THIS CASE, WE HAVE TOLD THE APPLICANT THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T SUPPORT THE GARAGE COURT UNITS THAT FLANKED THE NORTH AND FLANKED THE SOUTH INSTEAD OF DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO FUTURE LAND, FUTURE EMPLOYMENT.
UM, AND SO I'M SORRY, I'M TRYING TO GET ON THE PROPERTY.
SO IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH SEEING THESE THINGS INTO SEEING THEM AND MAKING THAT A PART OF THE RECORD, BECAUSE IT'S, ALTHOUGH IT'S ON RECORD, IT'S ON VIDEO.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LET, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE BY MINUTES, UH, FOR, UM, FOR THE CLERK.
SO WE HAVE IT, IF YOU, IF IT'S OKAY.
UM, STANDARD STEP ON EVERY SINGLE ONE IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE BOOKLET.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, CONDITION NUMBER ONE, UM, WE'VE ADDED TWO AND THREE THAT WOULD REMOVE THOSE GARAGE COURTS.
UM, AND IF COMMISSION WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD, EITHER STRIKING THOSE TWO STEPS OR KEEPING THEM THAT AND LAY THAT DOWN SO WE CAN SAY, YEAH, WE CAN
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SO LONG AS THE THING DOESN'T KEEP ZIPPING IN AND OUT, SO, OKAY.DO I NEED TO ZOOM? IT WAS, THERE WAS NOW.
IT'S IN FOCUS LIKE YOU'RE GOOD.
IT KNOCKS OR LOCKS DOWN THE DENSITY SETS.
THE SETBACKS REQUIRES ALL THE COMPLETION AND CONSTRUCTION OF OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT RIGHT AWAY, DEDICATIONS.
I MEAN, I WANT, I CAN FLIP IT TO THE NEXT PAGE FOR YOU CHARLES.
THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, THE, THE SITE TO THE SOUTH, UH, IS, WOULD REMAIN IN THAT FUTURE EMPLOYMENT DESIGNATION.
UH, IF, IF AN EMPLOYER OR A INDUSTRIAL BUILDING WANTED TO GO BUILD THERE, BUT THERE WERE GARAGE COURT, RESIDENTIAL UNITS, EFFECTIVELY 10 FEET OFF OF THAT PROPERTY LINE.
IT DIMINISHES THE VIABILITY THAT FOR THAT ADJACENT PIECE, WHERE EVEN IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT MOON VALLEY IS NOT GOING AWAY, THE PIECE TO THE NORTH, THE NORTHEAST, I GUESS, UM, IT DIMINISHES ITS ABILITY TO, UH, OR INCREASES THE FUTURE CONFLICT BETWEEN A RESIDENTIAL UNIT, 10 FEET OFF OF THAT PROPERTY LINES, WHICH IS WHY WE DON'T, WE DON'T SUPPORT THOSE THINGS.
FUNDAMENTALLY
WE WILL HAVE THE STEPS FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.
SO IF THEY THROUGH THEIR DELIBERATION, ULTIMATELY MOVE TO APPROVE IT, WE WILL HAVE THESE, THESE SAME STEPS TO, UH, FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
SO YOU DON'T NEED TO SEND THE STEPS FORWARD, EVEN WITH A DENIAL.
THEY WILL GO IN CONCEPT WITH US TO THE CITY COUNCIL HEARING.
UM, BUT I GUESS IF THE DON'T MAKE PART OF THIS RECORD, BUT THEY, AND WE'VE WRITTEN THEM DOWN, BUT THEY WON'T BE A FORM OF MOTION GOING FORWARD.
SO THOSE ARE, I THINK KEVIN, THE CLARIFICATION ON TWO, THREE AND FIVE WERE THE ONES AND EVERYTHING ELSE WAS JUST BOILER PLATE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THEN THESE WOULD BE THE RESIGNING STEPS AND ON THE OTHER PAGE WOULD BE, SINCE WE SEPARATED OUR REZONING AND OUR PDP STEPS, THESE WOULD BE THE STANDARD PDP STEPS.
EVERYBODY ON COMMISSION ON UNDERSTAND QUEERS MODE, RIGHT? YEP.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THE, SORRY.
ARE WE GOING TO GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THE APPLICANT OR LIKE THE MECHANIC COMMENTS? THAT'S FINE.
SO WE HAVE NOT HAD A LOT OF TIME TO GO OVER THEM.
LITERALLY AT THE SAME TIME YOU DID.
UM, WE WOULD BE OPPOSED TO TWO AND THREE.
WE DID TRY TO WORK THROUGH THIS WITH STAFF.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE DIDN'T COME TO THE AGREEMENT.
UH, AND I FIVE IS POTENTIALLY AN ISSUE, POTENTIALLY NOT ASSUMING IT'S A BUILDING SETBACK AND NOW THE LANDSCAPE'S SETBACK, I THINK FIVE IS OKAY.
WELL, NUMBER FIVE SAYS A MINIMUM SETBACKS CHOCOLATES FROM UP ON THE THINGS THAT WE'RE NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE A PIECE OF EXCELLENT POINT.
SO TWO IS THE PROPOSED TWO STORY BUILDING TYPE SIX STRUCTURE SHALL BE REMOVED.
UH, WE WOULD OPPOSE THAT WE, WE CERTAINLY HAVE TRIED TO WORK THROUGH AND DO OTHER THINGS, BUT ULTIMATELY COULDN'T COME TO AGREEMENT.
UH, THREE, THE PROPOSED THREE-STORY BUILDING TYPE FIVE STRUCTURES SHALL BE REMOVED AGAIN.
IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT SITE PLAN.
NOW WE'RE REMOVING LOTS OF BUILDINGS.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE JUST FINDING THAT OUT.
WE CERTAINLY KNEW THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE AGREEMENT WITH STAFF, BUT WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T SEE THESE STIPULATIONS.
AND NUMBER FIVE SAYS A MINIMUM SETBACK FROM THE CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY LINES SHALL BE DEFINED BELOW THAT 15 FEET MAY OR MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE IF IT'S A BUILDING SETBACK AND A LANDSCAPE SETBACK THAT CERTAINLY WORKS FOR US.
I WOULD, I WOULD BE ASKING FOR, IS THE OTHER AT A QUICK GLANCE, THE OTHER STIPULATION SEEMED TO BE STANDARD AND REASONABLE, BUT IF, IF THE COMMISSION DOES IMPROVE THE PLAN, I WOULD ASK YOU TO BE THE PLAN THAT IS BEFORE YOU.
AND IT'D BE IN GENERAL CONFORMANCE WITH THAT, AS OPPOSED TO MAKING THESE MODIFICATIONS.
NOW WITH FRANKLY AN HOUR TO THIS, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THE HOUR PART.
UH, KEVIN, CAN YOU COME UP AND ANSWER A QUESTION FOR ME PLEASE? SO I'M GOING TO JUST THROW SOMETHING OUT HERE.
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IF I THINK WE'VE GOT TWO ISSUES HERE, JUST LIKE WE HAVE ONE LATER TONIGHT, WE HAVE AN AREA PLAN AMENDMENT.WE HAVE A REZONING TO PAG AND WE ALSO HAVE A PDP IF IT WAS COMMISSION'S DESIRE BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT TAKING STUFF DOWN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I DO NOT LIKE DOING THAT AT THE DIOCESE BECAUSE I THINK IT ENDS UP BEING A MESS.
COULD WE, IF WE WANTED TO SEPARATE THIS AND VOTE ON THE AREA PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE PAD, IF THAT'S COMMISSIONS, DRUTHERS, AND EITHER COME BACK IN, UH, WITH, UH, EITHER DRC TO, TO WORK THROUGH THEIR OTHER ISSUES.
I DON'T LIKE DESIGNING THINGS AT THE DIOCESE.
I THINK THE APPLICANTS OBJECTING CERTAIN THINGS.
SO WE HAVE THE CAPABILITIES OF DOING THAT.
AND I WOULD, IF WE DID THAT, I'D ASK THE MOTION MAKERS TO WITHDRAW THEIR MOTION, HAVE A CLEAN MOTION TO APPROVE YOUR PLANNING AND PAG IF, IF COMMISSION DESIRES THAT.
AND I STILL THINK IT'S A MIXED BAG, WHETHER THAT WOULD HAPPEN OR NOT, AND THEN BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND SEPARATE THE PDP.
COULD WE DO THAT? JEREMY WAS CERTAINLY CAN.
AND IF YOU, AND ULTIMATELY THE REMOVAL OF BUILDINGS AND ADDING OF BUILDINGS, IT CAN FUNCTION EASILY AS A PDP COMPONENT TO IT.
UM, SO IF THE, IF THOSE STEPS WANT TO BE PULLED OFF OF THE REZONING, UH, MOTION AND MOVE FORWARD ON THE REZONING MOTION, AND IF THAT, IF THAT IS SUCCESSFUL AND THEN COMMISSION'S DESIRE IS TO CONTINUE, I GUESS, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? CONTINUE THE SEPARATE, THESE ZONING AND PDPS AND MOVE THE ZONING FORWARD AND HOLD THE PDP BACK FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND? I JUST, I HATE DESIGNING BUILDINGS OF DYESS.
I THINK IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE APPLICANT.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO STAFF OR FAIR TO THE COMMISSION THAT WE'RE SEEING STIPULATIONS ABOUT TAKING BUILDINGS DOWN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I HAVE A REAL HEARTBURN ABOUT THAT, BUT I, SO I'D WANT TO SEPARATE IT.
I'D ASK THE COMMISSION, WITHDRAW THE MOTION IF WE WANT TO VOTE STRICTLY ON THE LAND USE AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT I THINK IS THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS THING.
THERE'S SOME OF US UP IN HERE DON'T WANT THE LAND USE SOME OF US SOUND LIKE WE DO.
UM, AND THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF IT, IF IT MOVES ON, THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND DO A DRC IF WE NEED TO, OR WHICH I THINK IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.
AND THEN SO CLEANLY FOR THE RECORD, THEN THE STEPS THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN.
NOW, IF THE TWO RED NUMBER TWO, NUMBER THREE ARE NOT A PART OF THE REZONING, THEY'RE SIMPLY JUST PULL BACK.
AND IF THIS REZONING SUCCESSFUL, THEN IT CAN BE DISCUSSED PART OF THE PDP.
THEN I'M ASSUMING THAT THE SETBACKS AND THEY ARE FOR BUILDING OUT LANDSCAPING.
UM, THE SETBACKS, I THINK I HEARD WERE OKAY, BUT SO IT'S TWO AND THREE GO AWAY.
THE REST OF THEM ARE BASICALLY BOILERPLATE STEPS.
THEY COULD FUNCTION AS A ZONING APPROACH AS THE ZONING CONDITIONS.
AND THEN THE COMMISSION COULD ACT ON THAT TONIGHT.
PRIVATE TURNS OUT IT'S NOT OKAY BECAUSE IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH OUR PLAN, BUT I WOULD ASK, I THINK YOUR SUGGESTION, GERMAN'S A GOOD ONE.
COME BACK AND DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES WHEN WE'VE HAD MORE TIME TO DEAL WITH IT, WE'RE DEALING ON THE FLY IN A WAY THAT RIGHT.
AND LIKE I SAID, I DO NOT IN ALL MY YEARS OF DOING THIS EVERY TIME WE'VE EVER TRIED TO DO THAT.
SO THE ZONING IS THE ZONING SETBACKS ARE, THE CIVICS ARE PART OF ZONING.
SO THEY SHOULD BE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE REZONING, THAT SHOULD BE A PART OF THAT.
IF YOU WANT TO START WITH THE IRA PLAN AMENDMENT, IF THAT'S SUCCESSFUL, THEN WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE SETBACKS, WHICH ARE PART OF THE ZONING.
AND IF THAT MY QUESTION ON THAT SETBACKS AS THE APPLICANT, I MEAN, YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT KEVIN, THAT, THAT THOSE THINGS ARE, WHAT NOW ARE THEY ENDED UP IN THEIR PLAN? SO I BELIEVE THERE'S 10 ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH, NOT 15.
WE'RE ASKING TO GO TO 15 DEVIN, RIGHT? IF IT REMOVES THE, IF THOSE OTHER TWO GO IN THERE.
SO IF TWO AND THREE DON'T GET PULLED OUT, THEN THE CURRENT PLAN SHOWS 10 FOOT WOULD PROFILE.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING, LET ME BORROW YOUR PEN RIGHT NOW.
I THINK ULTIMATELY YOU GUYS, UH, WANT TO ACT ON THREE DIFFERENT MOTIONS IS WHAT I'M HEARING.
RIGHT? YOU START WITH THE RIGHT PLAYER PLAN AMENDMENT.
I THINK THE AIRPLANE AMOUNT ON THE PAD SHOULD BE VOTED TOGETHER.
CAUSE I THINK THEY'RE REALLY TIED TOGETHER.
AND THE PDP IS A SEPARATE ISSUE TO CONTINUE THAT, ASSUMING THAT IS, IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS OKAY WITH.
SO THEN THIS AND THE, AND EVERYTHING ON THIS, ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW CAN BE GOOD.
COULD BE MOVED ON IN ONE MOTION.
AND THEN IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL, WE CAN ADDRESS IT PDP.
SO WHAT I WILL DO AT THIS POINT, I WILL ASK THE MOTION MAKER.
AND THE SECOND, IF YOU WILL WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION, UH, COMMISSIONER, I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION.
IS THAT KIND OF OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY.
SO THE OPTIONS I HEAR ON THE FLOOR THEN IS TO APPROVE THE AREA PLAN AMENDMENT WITH THE PAD, WITH THESE, WITH THESE STEPS AS PART OF THIS, CORRECT.
WE VOTE ON, WE CAN VOTE ON THE PDP TO DO A DRC FOR THE PDP.
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YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.SO IF DESIRED BY THE COMMISSION, IF THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AEROPLAN AMENDMENT AND THE PAG AND WE'LL VOTE ON THAT AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.
SO COMMISSIONER PKI, YOU'RE THE MOTION MAKER SCENE TONIGHT.
SO YOU GET THE HONEST, I'M GONNA MESS US UP.
WE'LL HELP YOU ALONG, LIKE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AREA PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE PA D FOR ITEM B P L H 20 DASH ZERO ZERO SEVEN.
PLH 20 DASH THERE'S OVER SIX EVERGREEN CHILLER WITH THE, WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED BY STAFF THAT ARE PRESENTED BY STYLE.
I, I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
DO I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, A SECOND, ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE AREA WE'RE VOTING ON AN AIRPLANE AMENDMENT, A PHD, ANY MORE DISCUSSION FROM AN APEC COMMISSIONER.
AND WHEN I'M GOING TO ASK, WHEN WE VOTE, IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND, IT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO DO IT.
AND WE'LL COUNT THEM ALSO THROUGH PEOPLE THAT ARE, UM, AGAINST THAT.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE PA D WITH THE STIPULATIONS PRESENTED, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
SO THE MOTION FAILS FIVE TO TWO.
KEVIN WAS NEXT STEP IS BASICALLY, THAT'S HOW WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL.
YOU NEED TO GO DOWN THE EDP AS WELL, PDP.
SO WE NEED A MOTION TO DENY THE PDP THEN TOO.
SO I NEED A MOTION TO DENY THE PVP SINCE WE DENIED THE OTHER PART OF IT, BECAUSE THE CHAIR COMMISSIONER ROSE LIKE MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THAT'S PDP CHAIRMAN.
IF IT WOULD BE CLEANER TO, TO MAKE A MOTION ON ALL THREE, UM, THE DENIAL IT'S JUST CLEANER AND IN THE RECORD GOING FORWARD TO COUNCIL.
SO IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY ALL THREE, OKAY.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY ALL THREE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AGAIN, IF IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICATION, THE AIRPLANE AMENDMENT AND REZONE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
SO THE MOTION CARRIES FIVE TO TWO TO THE AUDIENCE AND TO THE APPLICANT.
THIS COMMISSION IS A RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
CHRISTINE, WHEN DOES THIS GO TO COUNCIL? NOVEMBER 5TH CHAIR.
THIS WOULD BE, UH, ON THE NOVEMBER 5TH COUNCIL AGENDA.
WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM C NEXT.
AND I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE SPEAKER CARDS.
WE HAD A FULL PRESENTATION DURING THE STUDY SESSION.
SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE TWO PEOPLE WHO THERE WAS A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT SUBMITTED CARDS FOR THE ITEM.
IF THEY LIKED TO COME UP AND TALK, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS POTENTIAL MOTION.
I APOLOGIZE, CHRIS IS, I THINK IT'S CHRISTIE BROWN.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOUR CONCERNS ON THIS CASE, PLEASE.
I RESIDE AT THREE ZERO SEVEN NINE EAST HAZEL TIME WAY CHANDLER.
UM, I'M A RESIDENT OF SOLARA, WHICH IS A GATED 55 PLUS COMMUNITY THAT IS, UH, IN THE SQUIRTER MILE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UH, I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS, I GUESS, A LITTLE LATE ON OCTOBER 5TH, WHEN A HOMEOWNER POSTED THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING THAT SHE'D RECEIVED IN THE MAIL.
AND I THINK THAT WAS SOMETIME IN AUGUST SINCE THEN ON NEXT DOOR, THERE'S BEEN 104 COMMENTS IN THAT CONVERSATION, ALL BUT THREE WERE NEGATIVE TO THE ZONING CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL TO MULTIFAMILY.
I ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER A POSTPONEMENT
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AND I HAVE ARGUMENTS FOR THAT TO FOLLOW.SINCE I HEARD ABOUT IT, I'D BEEN DOING SOME RESEARCH AND CHRISTINE WAS THOUGHTFUL ENOUGH TO SEND THE MEMO THAT WAS 67 PAGES, UM, REGARDING THE PROJECT.
AND IT'S RAISED A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN MY MIND.
I HAVE THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS REGARDING TIMELINE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE CAN BE ANSWERED TONIGHT, BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THEY COULD BE FIRST OF ALL, WHEN DID THE APPLICANT FOR SUPPLY FOR THE ZONING CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL TO MULTIFAMILY? FIRST I SAW THAT WAS THE AUGUST NOTICE THAT WAS MAILED OUT TO PEOPLE WITHIN A 600 FOOT RADIUS OF THE PROPERTY.
IN QUESTION, I'M NOT IN THAT 600 FOOT RADIUS.
UH, I DID MY OWN UNSCIENTIFIC MEASURE DOING A 600 FOOT OFFSET OF THE PERIMETER THAT PROPERTY.
AND I COUNTED APPROXIMATELY 112 HOMES THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN GETTING THAT NOTICE.
THIS IS IN AN AREA THAT IN ABOUT A SQUARE MILE PROBABLY HAS CLOSE TO 3000 HOMES.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY SMALL REPRESENTATION OF PEOPLE GETTING THAT NOTICE.
SECOND, WHEN WAS THE NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING MAILED AND TO HOW MANY HOMES WITHIN THAT 600 FOOT RADIUS.
AND IS THERE A MAP SHOWING THAT BOUNDARY AGAIN? I DID MY OWN CALCULATION, BUT I'M SURE YOU KNOW, HOW MANY HOMES THAT WENT TO WHEN WAS THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING SIGNS, WHEN WERE THE SIGNS ERECTED ON THE SITE AND THEN IN TONIGHT'S MEMO UNDER PUBLIC AND NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH ON PAGE FOUR? MY QUESTIONS ARE WHEN AND HOW, AND TO WHOM WAS THE NOTICE OF THE AUGUST 11TH ZOOM MEETING SENT, WAS IT PUBLISHED? HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTENDED THE ZOOM MEETING? AND WHEN DID THE APPLICANT DO THE DOOR TO DOOR CANVASSING THAT WAS MENTIONED HOW MANY DOOR KNOCKS WERE THERE, HOW MANY CONTACTS WERE MADE AND WHAT WERE THOSE RESULTS OF THE OPINIONS ON THAT? UM, 112 HOMEOWNERS, IF THAT'S THE CORRECT COUNT.
SO VERY SMALL NUMBER COMPARED TO PEOPLE WHO WILL BE AFFECTED BY THE SONY CHANGE AND ON THIS DEVELOPMENT ON THE CORNER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE, THERE'S ALBERTSON CENTER, A FIRE STATION AND A WATER TANK ON THE NORTHWEST.
THERE'S CLAIRE INDEL, WHICH IS ASSISTED SENIOR LIVING ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER IS THE STORAGE WEST DISCOUNT TIRE.
AND THEN ON THE SOUTH EAST CORNER IS THE WALGREEN'S BANK AND LONE TREE GOLF COURSE.
ALL OF THESE THINGS MADE THAT RADIUS.
VERY FEW HOMES THAT WERE ACTUALLY REACHED.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE SMALL NUMBER OF HOMES SHOULD SPEAK FOR A DECISION THAT WILL ULTIMATELY IMPACT QUALITY OF LIFE FOR AN ESTIMATED 3000 PLUS HOMES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT DUE TO THE PANDEMIC AND SOCIAL DISTANCING, THAT THERE HAS BEEN ENOUGH TIME ALLOTTED FROM THE TIME OF REQUEST BY APPLICANT TO THIS MEETING.
AND THEN TO THE TWO WEEKS LATER TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, TO GET AN ASSESSMENT OF COMMUNITY REACTIONS TO THIS ZONING CHANGE.
IN ADDITION TO THE PANDEMIC, THIS HAS BEEN CONDUCTED AT A TIME OF YEAR, AUGUST THROUGH NOVEMBER 5TH, WHEN MANY 55 PLUS HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT HERE AND OUR SOLERA COMMUNITY ALONE OF 1,149 HOMES, WE BELIEVE THAT 40% OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE PART OF YOUR RESIDENCE.
THEY TYPICALLY DON'T RETURN UNTIL AFTER THANKSGIVING.
SO THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THIS.
THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON.
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WAS ON COMMERCIAL FOR THAT CORNER.THE REVISED MASTER PLAN IN 2008 STATED IT REMAINED.
SO, AND THE FACT THAT THE CITY AND ZONING CITY PLANNING AND ZONING CHANGED THE MULTI-USE DESIGNATION AT LINDSEY AND RIGS TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND BUILT 72 SINGLE FAMILY IN 2014 SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY BEARING ON THIS REZONING.
LINDSEY IS A MUCH LESS TRAVELED ROAD THAN GILBERT, AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SAFER FOR MULTIFAMILY.
WE BOUGHT OUR HOMES IN HIGH HOPES THAT COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL WOULD COME TO US ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GILBERT AND RIGS AS IT IS ONE OF THE LAST OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO GET ANYTHING CLOSE SOUTH OF US IS THE HEEL RENDER RIVER INDIAN RESERVATION.
WE WILL NEVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL THERE.
THE NEAREST WEST IS ON RIGS AT TWO MILES AWAY AT MCQUEEN AND RIGS.
AND THEN I BELIEVE THE NEXT CLOSEST EAST AT RIGGS IS AT HIGLEY AND THAT'S SEVERAL MILES AWAY.
MS. BROWN, DO YOU HAVE A LOT MORE, DO YOU HAVE A LOT MORE STUFF TO TALK ABOUT? OKAY.
WE NORMALLY DO THREE MINUTES OF CLERK.
DIDN'T START IT, BUT THAT'S FINE.
I, I WANT YOU TO, YOU'RE THERE FOR AN HOUR CLOSE.
I JUST, I DON'T WANT TO JUST WANT TO GET AN IDEA.
ANYWAY, IT'S OUR LAST OPPORTUNITY.
ONCE THIS IS APPROVED, WE'LL NEVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR RETAIL.
AND THE ARGUMENT IS I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN SITTING VACANT FOR YEARS AND THAT IS TRUE, BUT DEVELOPMENT IS TRICKLING SOUTH THERE'S DEVELOPMENT, NEW DEVELOPMENT AT CHANDLER OR CHIAT CHANDLER HEIGHTS AND GILBERT ROAD, WHICH IS A MILE NORTH OF US.
SO THERE'S A HOPE THAT IT WILL TRIPLE SOUTH TO EXPAND ON THE GILBERT ROAD BEING MUCH BUSIER THAN LINDSEY.
UM, GILBERT ROAD GOES THROUGH AND IT GOES DOWN TO HIGHWAY 87 AND THEN NORTH TO THE TWO OH TWO.
UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS NOT A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AREA.
CARS TRAVEL AT 55 TO 60 MILES AN HOUR AND A 45 MILE AN HOUR ZONE.
IF YOU LIVED IN THIS COMPLEX TO GET TO THE GROCERY STORE ACROSS THE STREET, WOULD YOU WALK OUT THE PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE ON GILBERT AND THEN UP TO THE LIGHT AND BACKTRACK TO ALBERTSON'S LIKE LENA, OR WOULD YOU RUN FOR YOUR LIFE OR CROSS GILBERT ROAD AT THE PLACE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE DRIVERS TURNING LEFT FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS, NOT VERY SAFE.
IT'S AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.
IN MY OPINION, APARTMENTS BELONG IN A CITY CENTER LIKE WE'VE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
YOU'VE GOT OTHER PROJECTS ON THE BOARDS THAT ARE IN BUSINESS CORRIDORS OR EMPLOYMENT AND TRANSIT CORRIDORS NEAR FREEWAYS, NEAR AIRPORTS, NOT ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND NOT IN THE DEAD CENTER OF SINGLE FAMILY, GATED GOLF COURSE AND 55 PLUS COMMUNITIES.
IT JUST IS A POOR USE OF LAND IN THE WRONG PLACE.
FOR MANY REASONS, APARTMENTS TODAY, ALL ADVERTISE THAT THEY ARE LUXURY UNITS.
THEN THEY TURN INTO NOT SO MUCH.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW, AND MAYBE SOMEONE CAN ENLIGHTEN ME, CHRISTINE, ON WHAT OTHER RECOURSES WE RESIDENTS MAY HAVE TO STOP THIS.
I'M WONDERING IF WATER IN THAT AREA IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.
AND ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS, WATER'S A BIG ISSUE, BUT I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST POSTPONE, HAVE YOU POSTPONE DECISION-MAKING ON THIS.
IT MAY BE A MOOT POINT, MAY BE A DONE DEAL, BUT PLEASE PUT YOUR WISHES FOR TAX REVENUE ON HOLD AND REJECT THE SONY CHANGE, OR AT LEAST POSTPONE THE PROCESS TO GIVE US MORE, TO DO SOMETHING.
BEFORE I ASKED STAFF TO COMMENT, WE ALSO HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FROM DEBBIE KEEL.
IF YOU'D LIKE, IF SHE LIKE TO SPEAK AS WELL, AND THEN I'LL HAVE STAFF ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
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MY NAME IS NO MA'AM, WE'RE GOING TO LIVE.I APOLOGIZE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CURE TIME TO THREE MINUTES.
THAT'S A NORMAL, THEY PUSHED ME PAST MY BEDTIME.
I LIVE AT THREE ZERO SIX NINE EAST HAZEL TEAM IN SOLERA CHANDLER.
UM, I CAME HERE TONIGHT TO STAND IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT FOR A WHOLE RAFT OF REASONS.
BUT AFTER EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF HOURS, I HONESTLY, I GOT TO TELL YOU, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S, I'M TILTING AT WINDMILLS.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU GIVE SOME CONSIDERATION TO, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THE DENSITY OF THE PROJECT COULD BE REDUCED SOME, AND THEN THAT EXTRA LAND COULD BE DONATED BACK TO THE CITY AND TURNED INTO A COMMUNITY PARK OR A DOG PARK OR SOMETHING THAT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY COULD USE.
MAYBE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MULTI-PURPOSE, IT COULD GO ON WITH THIS.
I FIND THAT IF, IF THE PIECE THAT WAS AT THAT LINDSEY AND RIGGS WAS REZONED, BUT IT WAS ALLOWED TO STAY AS A HOUSING REZONING.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS CAN'T STAY AS A COMMERCIAL REZONING, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY, MY HOPE IS THAT I WAS ENCOURAGED TO HEAR THAT YOU WANT TO SEE SOME AESTHETIC CHANGES TO IT.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE BUILDERS.
THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY AND THEY'RE ALL EXCITED ABOUT IT.
THEY'RE ALL ENTHUSED AND I'M GLAD, AND I HOPE THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL, BUT IT'S MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I WANT TO SEE WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE A YEAR AGO.
SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THIS, MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WOULD SERVE EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY.
YOU WANT TO COME UP AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES ON NOTIFICATION? I KNOW ONE OF THE, IT'S NOT JUST THE 600 FEET.
WE NOTIFY ALL THE, UM, REGISTERED HOMO REGISTERED ASSOCIATIONS WITHIN, IS IT A HALF A MILE? KEVIN AND CHRISTINE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT IF YOU CAN ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT MS. SUE, MS. BROWN BROUGHT UP, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
I'M NOT CUTTING OFF PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE HER ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ON THAT.
UM, AND I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT FILL IN, UM, WITH THE STEPS THEY'VE TAKEN ON THEIR END.
UH, IT DOES APPEAR THAT THEY'VE MET ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND ADVERTISING.
THEY DID HAVE THE SIGN POSTED AND THEY DID NOTIFY THE HOS, UM, WITHIN THE EXTENDED DISTANCE.
UH, AND THEY DID THE CORRECT MAILING WITHIN ME, IMMEDIATE 600 FEET FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, SO I WILL LET THE APPLICANT, YEAH.
WHEN, IF YOU WANT TO FILL IN, IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE AND STATE, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT THE NOTIFICATION, SOME OF THE THINGS YOU GUYS HAVE DONE.
UH, WENDY RIDDLED WITH THE LAW FIRM.
BERRIEDALE 67 50 EAST CAMELBACK.
MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE, HAPPY TO VISTA.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS CASE SO LONG AND TOOK THE OUTREACH SO SERIOUSLY, IT ACTUALLY OCCURRED PRE PANDEMIC.
SO WE STARTED WITH, UM, WALKING THE STREETS AND MOSTLY WALKING THE ABUTTING NEIGHBORS AND NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE THEN FROM THERE WENT THROUGH THE APPLICATION THROUGH A SITE PLANNING.
WE WENT BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD YET AGAIN, MET WITH EACH OF THEM.
ONE-ON-ONE AT A FOLLOW-UP ZOOM MEETING.
UM, MR. CHAIR, YOU'RE CORRECT.
WE NOTICED NOT ONLY THE REQUIRED NOTICES, BUT THEN ALL THE INDIVIDUALS, INCLUDING THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION HERE, UM, OF THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
UH, AND WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE SOME LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THE IMMEDIATELY ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS FOR THIS, UM, REQUEST AS WELL.
WAS THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION? ALL POSITIVE COMMENTS, MR. CHEF.
MA'AM YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ON THIS ITEM.
IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO TALK ON THIS ITEM, IF YOU'D COME UP, WANT TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD WOULD BE GREAT.
IF YOU, IF YOU CAN JUST COME UP TO THE MIC AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS MARIA CANDLE ORO, AND I RESIDE AT 3,102 EAST BELLERIVE DRIVE.
I AM ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS THAT IS WITHIN THAT 600 SQUARE FOOT, UM, NOTIFICATION AREA.
AND I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD AND INDICATE THE FIRST, UM, THE FIRST COMMUNICATION THAT I RECEIVED WAS A LETTER DATED ON JUNE OR JULY 27TH.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE ZONING OR THE ZOOM MEETING ON AUGUST 11TH, THERE'S BEEN NO FURTHER COMMUNICATION.
MY NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS ALSO A FAMILY MEMBER, NEVER RECEIVED THIS JULY 27TH NOTIFICATION.
UM, AND THEN WITH THAT, AS IT WAS INDICATED, IT WAS ON NEXT DOOR.
AND SO WITH THE POSTING, THAT WAS THE PUBLIC HEARING OF TONIGHT, WHICH NEVER RECEIVED IT.
AND I'M IN THAT IMMEDIATE IMPACTED AREA.
UM, THEREFORE I JUST WANT TO COME OUT BECAUSE THE COMMUNICATIONS DISCRIMINATION WAS JUST VERY BLEAK AND ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT OF TOWN.
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DOOR TO DOOR HAS, I DID NOT RECEIVE IT AND I HAVE BEEN, UM, I ALSO HAVE A RING DOORBELL, SO I'M VERY WELL AWARE OF WHO'S COMING TO MY DOOR.UM, SO JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD INDICATING THAT THE INFORMATION WAS NOT DISSEMINATED AS IT MAY HAVE APPEARED TO THE HOMEOWNERS THAT WERE DIRECTLY IN THAT AREA.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE, THE PROCEDURES ARE DIFFERENT, SO EVERYBODY.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS CASE? OKAY.
SO, UM, WHEN DID YOU WANT TO COME UP AND MAKE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR YOU JUST MET YOUR CHAIR? WE'D CERTAINLY TOOK THE OUTREACH HERE SERIOUSLY.
UM, MS. BROWN, WE HAD A VERY GOOD CONVERSATION WITH HER OUT IN THE LOBBY.
SHE ACTUALLY LIVES MUCH CLOSER TO HUNT HIGHWAY, SO IT'S TRUE.
WE FOCUSED ON THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE MOST ABUTTING THE PROPERTY, BUT ALSO WITH THE ASSOCIATION AND WITH EVERYBODY WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I THINK WE'VE HAD A PRETTY EXTENSIVE, ROBUST OUTREACH.
IT'S ALWAYS CHALLENGING ON OUTREACH WITH MAIL SERVICES AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE GET.
A LOT OF MAIL, SOME MAIL GETS PROCESSED, SOME DOESN'T, BUT, UM, I DO APPRECIATE THEM.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL AND COMMISSION PRIDE OURSELVES ON IS TO TRY AND DO A LOT MORE OUTREACH THAN MOST CITIES DO.
UM, WE'VE EXTENDED OUT TO THE 600 FOOT LEVEL WHERE A LOT OF CITIES DO A HUNDRED FEET, 150 FEET.
UM, DON'T NOTIFY REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, HOA BOARDS GET NOTIFIED, WHICH IS SUPER IMPORTANT AS WELL.
SO, UM, THAT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE, SO, OKAY.
AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE SPECIFIC DATES WITH MS. BROWN.
I JUST, I'M NOT GOING TO WASTE THE COMMISSION'S TIME AND CAN'T RATTLE THEM OFF, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I'M HAPPY TO VISIT WITH HER AND SHARE THAT.
AS YOU HEARD EARLIER DURING THE STUDY SESSION, THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THIS PROPERTY.
I THINK I DIDN'T HEAR THAT ANY CONCERNS OR, OR FROM THE COMMISSION ON, ON ZONING ITSELF.
UM, SPEAKING IN TERMS OF COMMERCIAL AND VERSUS, UM, GETTING COMMERCIAL BUILT, ONE OF THE, UM, SPEAKERS MADE A REAL GOOD COMMENT THAT SOUTH OF HAN HIGHWAY IS THE RESERVATION.
RETAIL'S VERY CHALLENGING IN THIS AREA.
ALWAYS HAS BEEN, UH, I LIVE, I, UM, DO RETAIL SELL FOR A LIVING, SO I FULLY UNDERSTAND IT.
UM, SO IT IS KIND OF A CHALLENGE.
I THINK THIS PROJECT COULD BE A REALLY GOOD PROJECT, UM, AS, AS A LAND USE, I THINK THERE WERE SOME ARCHITECTURAL ISSUES AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE IT A BETTER PROJECT.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
UM, THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS AFTER STUDY SESSIONS OF POTENTIALLY TO BREAK THIS UP AND TO TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS, ONE, UH, UM, PROVING THE PAD FOR THE UNDERLYING ZONING AND THEN TAKING THE CASE TO A DRC REVIEW BOARD TO, UM, WORK ON THE ARCHITECTURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM ANYBODY ON THE COMMISSIONER.
WHO'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE THE ZONING
AND KEVIN, WE NEED A STATE SPECIFIC RIGHTS.
SO NOVEMBER 18TH IS WHAT WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT DURING THIS, CORRECT? YEAH.
WE NEED DATE SPECIFIC FOR THE CONTINUANCE.
SO THE MOTION MAKER JUST NEEDS TO INCLUDE THE MOVING THE PDP TO DESIGNER REVIEW, BUT WITH A SPECIFIC DATE OF COMING BACK TO COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 18TH, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THE FORMAL MOTION WAS SIMPLY BE THE KIND OF LAST PAGE OF THE MEMO WITH THE, UH, WITH THE TWO MOTIONS ON IT.
THE TOP ONE FOR THE REZONING IS GOOD TO GO JUST AS IT IS MOTION APPROVED, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING.
THE PDP WOULD BE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT TO THE NOVEMBER 18TH, FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONDUCTING DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE TO THE MOTION MAKER.
WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND ON THE FLOOR YET WHERE YOU LIKE TO MAKE THOSE MOTIONS SO THAT WE HAVE LEGAL STANDING, PLEASE.
JUST LIKE THE SIGNS THAT JUMPED 60 PAGES I HAD.
I BELIEVE IT'S ON PAGE FIVE OR SIX.
SO, UM, MOVED TO, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE THE ZONING OF, UH, PLH 20 DASH ZERO ONE 12 VILLAGES, A CHAMBER RESULTING FROM PAD TO PAD AMENDED
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AND MOVED TO A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.THE PDB TWO DESIGN REVIEW AND FOR APPEAL, AGE 20 DASH 12 VILLAGES OF CHANDLER AND FOR NOVEMBER 8TH.
SECOND SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER FLANDERS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION? YEAH.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED A HAND VOTE ON THIS ONE.
ANY OPPOSED APPOSE, IPOS OR THE RECORD? OH, I'M SORRY.
I WAS TRYING TO MAKE COMMENT BEFORE THE VOTE.
SO DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE? SORRY.
YEAH, I DIDN'T SEE YOUR, I APOLOGIZE COMMISSION CHAIRMAN.
I DON'T REMEMBER SITTING THROUGH THE STUDY SESSION THINKING THAT WE'D COME TO CONCLUSION THAT WE WERE GOOD WITH THE REZONING.
I REMEMBER THE COMMENT COMING UP THAT WE'D GO TO DRC.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I FEEL FULLY VETTED OUT ON WHETHER WE'RE ALL BID ON OR WHETHER, WELL, WE CAN PUT IT TO A VOLT, BUT, UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT WAS, THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT TO DRC.
UH, AND THIS MEETING NOW I DIDN'T THINK WERE IN ARIZONA AT FIRST.
SO LET ME CLARIFY SOMETHING AND STAFF CAN HELP ME ON THIS.
THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE ON THE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS.
THERE'S THE UNDERLYING ZONING OF THE PAD.
AND THEN THERE'S THE PDP, WHICH THE DISCUSSION OF DRC IS NOT A, I'M SORRY FOR THE ABBREVIATION SPOKES DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, UM, IS NOT TO DISCUSS LAND USE.
IT'S DISCUSSED ARCHITECTURE AND MAKING A PROJECT LOOK THE RIGHT WAY.
SO THAT'S WHY THE TWO SEPARATIONS OF THE THINGS.
SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT MODES.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE, UM, WE CAN SEPARATE THE MOTIONS COMPLETELY KEVIN.
I THINK THAT, LET ME RE LET ME THROW THIS OUT TO THE MOTION MAKER UNTIL THE SECOND TO WITHDRAW YOUR MOTIONS AND LET'S VOTE SEPARATELY ON TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT OKAY.
WITH STAFF, THINK I'M GOING TO COME UP HERE WITH A FIVE TON MONKEY WRENCH AND CHUCK IT IN.
UH, SO WHAT I HEAR FROM THE COMMISSIONER IS THAT DURING STUDY SESSION, THE FOCUS WAS ON DESIGN.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING THAT THERE WAS A STRUGGLE WITH THE LAND USE, RIGHT.
BUT IF, IF THERE IS A STRUGGLE WITH THE LAND USE, I THINK THAT CONVERSATION NEEDS TO HAPPEN FIRST.
UH, WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S MY POINT.
I, THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION EARLIER IN THE NIGHT ABOUT LAND USE.
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING BECAUSE OF THE DRC.
AND THE IDEA WAS TO GET THE UNDERLINING ZONING, TO BE APPROVED AND THEN COME BACK AND DO THE DESIGN PART OF IT.
SO THAT'S MAYBE WHERE THE CONFUSION WAS.
THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION EARLIER LAND USE.
SO WHEN THE COMMON CAME UP THAT WE'D GO TO DRC, WE HADN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO THE COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION ON WHETHER IT SHOULD BE RESOLVED.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS COMING BACK AS A PACKAGE.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S JUST CLARIFICATION.
DRC HAS ALWAYS JUST IS MORE ARCHITECTURAL KINDS OF THINGS, SO, OKAY.
SO CAN I GET THE, THE APP, THE MOTION MAKER TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION SECOND OR APPROVE THAT, AND THEN WE'LL JUST VOTE ONE AT A TIME.
SO LET'S THEN I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE.
HOWEVER YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION ON JUST STRICTLY THE PAD.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DOUBTING OF, UH, APPROVAL FOR, UH, PLH 20 DASH ZERO ONE ZERO ZERO ONE TWO VILLAGES, A CHANDLER REZONING FROM KATIE TO BE AMENDED.
SO I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
SO, UM, MAKE IT EASIER, ALL THOSE IN FUTURE COMMENTS.
UM, I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF A REOCCURRING RECURRING ITEM WITH THE COMMUNICATION AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE, WE JUST CONTINUE TO WORK ON REMEDY YET, AND I'M NOT CERTAINLY NOT LOOKING AT ANYBODY.
LIKE IT'S A FAULT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THESE CASES COME UP AND THERE'S ALWAYS RESIDENTS THAT FEEL LIKE THEY'VE NOT BEEN IN THE LOOP ON IT AND THEY'RE CLOSE ENOUGH TO THAT 600 FEET.
UM, AND THAT THAT'S ALWAYS TROUBLING TO ME WHEN PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE LEFT OUT.
I'M NOT, IT'S NOT AN ACCUSATORY COMMENT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, UM, A PROCESS IMPROVEMENT ITEM THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY NEVER BE PERFECTED, BUT, AND I KNOW YOU WORK HARD AT IT.
IT'S NOT AGAIN, NOT A CRITICISM.
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OF THE MOTION, CHAIRMAN, SORRY.YOU LOOKED THAT WAY WHEN YOU SAW THAT.
I'M JUST MAKING A QUICK COMMENT HERE.
WE ARE, AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT CHANGING COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL MEANS JOBS.
JUST EARLIER WE SAID THAT, HEY, WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT.
SO JUST POINTING OUT IN THE SAME MEETING THAT WE'VE DONE THIS NOW THREE TIMES, JUST AN OBSERVATION AND CLARIFICATION IS YEAH.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'M LOOKING BOTH WAYS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
NOW I NEED A SECOND MOTION ON THE PDP TO GO TO DESIGNER REVIEW OVER THE SPECIFIC DATE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE MY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PA PLA 20 DASH ZERO ONE, ELLA TO DRC.
REMEMBER ON NOVEMBER 28TH OR WHATEVER? 18 MINUTES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER P CAL.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING BODY TO COUNSEL THE PAD, WHICH IS THE UNDERLYING ZONING WILL GO TO COUNCIL.
THIS ADAM WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 5TH.
UM, I'M GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE QUICK BREAK.
WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A COUPLE HOURS NOW.
SO TAKE A QUICK FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
WE'LL BE BACK AND WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH OUR CASES.
RIGHT? WE GOT, WE GOT, I GUESS, AUDIO WORKING BETTER, SO, OKAY.
SO IT WAS IN EUROPE ACTION ITEM.
THIS IS ALL TO CHANDLER AT THE PARK.
AND WITH THAT BEFORE YOU WILL BE LOOKING AT THE REQUESTS FOR A REZONING FROM PLAN AREA DEVELOPMENT, TO A PAD FOR MULTIFAMILY, A MID-RISE OVERLAY FOR A BUILDING UP TO 63 FEET IN HEIGHT.
IT IS INCLUSIVE OF STAIRWELLS AND ELEVATORS AS WELL, AND A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE SITE LAYOUT AND BUILDING ARCHITECTURE AS WELL.
BEFORE I GO FURTHER, JUST TO GET CONTEXT, WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR HERE WITH THE PARK DEVELOPMENT.
IT STARTED BACK IN 1982, AND THIS SITE IS ABOUT A QUARTER, A MILE OR LESS FROM ALMA SCHOOL AND, AND CHANDLER BOULEVARD WEST OF THAT.
AND THERE ARE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDINGS ON SITE, AS WELL AS A, A VACANT PARCEL.
SO THIS PROPERTY ENCOMPASSES THREE PARCELS.
AND TWO OF THOSE ARE BUILT OUT A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS IN CONTEXT OF WHAT IS SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY BESIDES THE, THE COMMERCIAL CENTER, THE PARK, WHICH WAS A 60 ACRE DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND MULTIFAMILY.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN REITERATIONS OF THE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, TRYING TO REDEVELOP, REUSE THOSE JUST TO POINT OUT THERE USED TO BE AN APPLEBEE RIGHT OVER ABOVE THE S THAT SAYS PROJECT SITE.
AND THAT IS NOW A STARBUCKS AND OTHER RETAIL USES AS WELL.
THERE'S BEEN SOME TURNOVER IN OTHER USES THE, THE LATEST, UH, PROJECT IN THAT VICINITY THAT WAS NEW IS A, THE TOWNHOMES AT PARK TOWER AND THAT'S ON PARK LANE BOULEVARD.
AND THAT IS A, ANOTHER MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.
WHEN ALSO POINT OUT THAT PARK LANE BOULEVARD IS A PRIVATE STREET THROUGHOUT ALL.
IT'S, UH, CURVILINEAR FROM CHANDLER BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY BACK TO CHANDLER BOULEVARD AND AT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
THERE IS ALSO A PORTION OF COMMONWEALTH THAT IS A PRIVATE STREET AND THAT PRIVATE STREET IS IF YOU GO TO THE WEST PROPERTY LINE OF THIS PROJECT, THAT IS WHERE IT GOES FROM PRIVATE TO PUBLIC.
THIS PROJECT IN TERMS OF THE GENERAL PLAN ADOPTED IN APPROVED IN 2016, THE LAND USE DESIGNATION, AS WE SEE
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IS NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH AS WE WELL KNOW, IT ALLOWS FOR A MULTIPLE OF USES.AND CHANDLER BOULEVARD IS A HIGH CAPACITY TRANSIT CORRIDOR, WHICH WE HAVE HEARD SEVERAL TIMES THIS EVENING THAT, UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL TRANSIT CORRIDORS IN THE CITY, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ALLOWING FOR AUTOS AND BUS RIGHT NOW, AS WELL AS BICYCLES.
AND IN THAT DESIGNATION, URBAN RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES CAN INCREASE 18 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
YOU SEE THAT THERE IS JUST TO THE WEST OF IT IS A GROWTH AREA.
THIS PROPERTY IS JUST RIGHT OUTSIDE THE, THE CUSP OF THAT AREA ONLY TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT BEFORE YOU, OKAY.
THERE ARE THREE, FOUR STORY BUILDINGS.
TWO OF THEM HAVE IT L-SHAPE AND ANOTHER ONE, I CALL IT THE I BUILDING.
AND WITH THAT, THERE ARE 293 APARTMENTS REPOSE AT A DENSITY OF 43 45 DWELLING UNITS AND ACRE PARKING.
THERE ARE 498 REQUIRED, 461 ARE PROPOSED ON SITE PLUS ADDITIONAL ON STREET PARKING.
UH, WE ALSO LOOKED AS WELL AS GUESTS PARKING IN MULTIFAMILY, AND THERE IS ONE SPACE FOR EVERY FOUR UNITS THAT INCLUDES BOTH ONSITE AND OFFSITE ON STREET PARKING THAT IS CREATED ON THE PRIVATE STREETS.
AND WITH THAT, UH, AGAIN, AS YOU SEE ALONG CHANDLER BOULEVARD, THE BUILDING ONE THERE AT FOUR STORIES, THE CORNER ELEMENT AT THE INTERSECTION THERE WE'LL DELVE INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT OLDER, BUT THERE IS A CORNER THAT IS TRYING TO STILL PAY HOMAGE TO THE PARK DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE'LL LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IN TERMS OF ACCESS, NO FURTHER ACCESS ON THE BOULEVARD.
THAT'LL BE ELIMINATED IF THIS PROJECT IS, UH, APPROVED, THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS OFF OF PARK LANE.
IT IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH ONE OF THE ENTRANCES TO THE SHOPPING CENTER, TO THE EAST AS WELL.
THERE IS, UH, AN EXIT ONLY ON TO COMMONWEALTH, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, ALSO THEY ARE PROPOSING A, AN UBER, A DROP OFF AREA RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE GATE ON PARK LANE BOULEVARD.
YEAH, SOME OF THE DESIGN FEATURES, THEY ARE PROPOSING INCLUDE AN, AN ENHANCED ENTRY FEATURE CORNER ENTRY HERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS AN ANGULAR SIGN.
MONUMENT WAS SEATING BEHIND CREATING A LITTLE BIT OF A PEDESTRIAN AREA AS A TRANSITION FROM THAT INTERSECTION BACK TO THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE SHAPE OF THE SIGN, UH, MIMICS THE PARK THAT WAS EXISTING.
AND AS WELL AS THAT, THAT IS ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, THEIR AMENITY, THEIR MAJOR AMENITY IS A POOL WITH CABANAS FIRE PITS AND SUCH.
AND THAT AGAIN IS LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE CLUBHOUSE IN BUILDING ONE, OKAY.
THEY DID QUITE A FEW RENDERINGS OF TO GET A BETTER PERSPECTIVE, RATHER THAN JUST LOOKING AT ELEVATIONS OF THE ARTICULATION, THE VERTICAL HORIZONTAL, THE MATERIALS, THE TRANSPARENCY, SOME OF THE EXTRUSIONS OF THE BALCONIES, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE, THE CANOPY OVERHANGS AND THE MATERIALS AS WELL, WHICH INCLUDES STACKS STONE, BRICK, FIBER CEMENT, AS WELL AS THE METAL ELEMENTS.
AND AS YOU SEE IN THIS PERSPECTIVE, WHICH IS LOOKING AT CHANDLER AND PARK LANE, THEY HAVE A SIGN WHICH IS MIMICKING THE, UH, THAT ON THE SOUTH EAST CORNER.
AND IT IS A MODERN CONTEMPORARY VERSION LOOKING AT THE PROJECT FROM THE, UH, PARK LANE AND COMMONWEALTH.
SO OVER TO THE EAST SIDE IS A SHOPPING CENTER ON THE WEST SIDE THERE, AS YOU SEE A CAR PORT THAT IS THE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT AND AS WELL, THIS IS ANOTHER L-SHAPED BUILDING.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE ON STREET PARKING ANGLE PARKING IS ALONG PARK LANE AS WELL.
THE, THE CORNER ELEMENT THAT IS STEPPED DOWN TO A ONE-STORY ELEMENT, THAT IS WHERE THEY ARE PROPOSING AMENITIES, SUCH AS A DOG SPA AND A BIKE REPAIR.
THEY ALSO INCORPORATED IN THIS AREAS, WHICH A LITTLE BIT HIDDEN BY THE TREES, BUT THERE WOULD BE TERRACING UP THAT.
SO IT'D BE A USABLE SPACE ABOVE THOSE AMENITIES.
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AND IN THE BACKGROUND THERE, YOU CAN ALSO SEE BUILDING THREE AS WELL, UTILIZING SOME ONE STORY ELEMENT.AND THE INTERSECTION HERE, THEY ARE PROPOSING STAMP ASPHALT TO EMPHASIZE THE CONNECTION TO THE SHOPPING CENTER.
I'LL JUST QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE, THE ELEVATIONS HERE AS THEY ARE VERY LINEAR, BUT YET THERE ARE A LOT OF, UM, ELEMENTS THAT YOU CAN SEE DEPICTED IN THE RENDERINGS SHOWING THE ARTICULATION OF THE BUILDING.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TOWER ELEMENT, THE SOUTH ELEVATION, WHICH IS INTERIOR TO THE SITE ON THE TOP, SHOWS THE GARAGES.
THERE ARE GARAGES AND TANDEM PARKING AND THE NORTH ELEVATION FACING CHANDLER BOULEVARD.
YOU SEE THE TOWER THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ILLUSTRATION HERE AND AS WELL, THE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, THERE ARE PAT IS EXTENDING FROM SEVERAL OF THE GROUND UNITS ABOVE THAT THERE ARE THE BALCONIES AND A FEW OTHER ELEVATIONS HERE BUILDING TOO SIMILAR.
SO THE EAST ELEVATION IS FRONTING ALONG PARK LANE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE ONE STORY AND TWO STORY ELEMENTS THAT ARE DEPICTED ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ILLUSTRATION AND INTERIOR.
THE WEST ELEVATION THE GARAGES WITH TANDEM PARKING PROJECT, BECAUSE THIS IS A MID-RISE OVERLAY.
THERE WERE TWO VIRTUAL MEETINGS HELD NO ONE ATTENDED OR REGISTERED FOR THOSE MEETINGS.
THERE WAS ONE FULL PHONE CALL THAT I RECEIVED FROM ONE RESIDENT WHO WAS STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF MULTIFAMILY.
WE RECEIVED ONE EMAIL, UH, FROM RESIDENTS CONCERNED ON SITE LAND AND BUILDING DESIGN.
AND WITH THAT, THE ADDENDUM BEFORE YOU ON THE DIOCESE THAT IS CAME AFTER THE WRITING OF THE MEMO.
SO THAT IS PROVIDED TO YOU STATING THEIR CONCERNS.
AND THE RESIDENT IS HERE THIS EVENING TO SPEAK.
STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AS THIS IS IN COMPLIANCE AND CONFORMANCE WITH THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION OF NEIGHBORHOODS, AS WELL AS THE HIGH TRANSIT CORRIDOR, HIGH CAPACITY TRANSIT CORRIDOR.
AND WITH THAT, I'M OPEN TO QUESTIONS, SUSAN, I HAVE A COUPLE OF CORE QUESTIONS OF NOBODY ELSE DOES AND MAKING SURE I LOOK TO THE LEFT AS MUCH AS I CAN TONIGHT.
UM, THE, UM, DISTANCE FROM THE CURB TO THE PROPERTY LINE ON THIS BUILDER HAS SAN MARCOS PROJECT AND ALSO ONE OF THE OLD STEEL YARD.
AND HOW CLOSE IS IT? CAN YOU GIVE ME AN IDEA IN TERMS OF THE DISTANCE? YES, I DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH A FEW OTHER, UM, ILLUSTRATIONS IN ANTICIPATION OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT ONE HERE.
SO WITH THAT, THIS PROJECT HERE IS PROPOSING THE BUILDING SETBACKS CHANDLER BOULEVARD, 10 FEET, BUT IT'D BE 29 FEET TO THE CURB.
AND THEN ON PARK LANE, IT IS A 10 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK, 16 FEET TO THE CURB.
AND AS ILLUSTRATED HERE ALONG PARK LANE, UH, THIS SECTION HERE, THERE'S A GREATER SETBACK, BUT AS YOU GO FURTHER DOWN ON PARK LANE, IT DOES BECOME CLOSER TO THE STREET CHAIR.
THE CIRCLE YOU HAVE SUSAN, THE CURB, YOU HAVE SOME LANDSCAPING, A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK.
SO ON PARK LANE, YOU'RE WHAT, FOUR FEET FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THE ENTRANCE? BASICALLY PRETTY MUCH.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH ON TOP OF THE STREET.
IN SOME LOCATIONS, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT SECOND QUESTION IS THE ON CHANDLER BOULEVARD, HOW LONG A RUN IS THAT FROM PARK LANE TO THE WESTERN EDGE OF THAT PROPERTY? IT LOOKS LIKE ONE BIG, MASSIVE BUILDING AND CHAIRMAN THAT THE BUILDING ITSELF IS 487 FEET IN LENGTH FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF.
AND DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE IN CHANDLER THAT'S IN RESIDENTIAL THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO THAT.
AND IN LOOKING AT THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ALTA SAN MARCOS, THAT BUILDING THERE'S TWO OF THEM ON CHANDLER BOULEVARD.
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APPROXIMATELY.SO ABOUT, THIS IS ABOUT TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT MORE.
AND THEN JUST ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION, THE ZONING IN THE AREA AROUND HERE TO THE SOUTH, TO THE NORTH THERE'S MULT THERE'S VARIOUS MULTI-FAMILIES WHAT'S MOST OF THOSE, ARE THEY AN MF? THERE ARE THEY 10, EIGHT, 10 TO THE ACRE, 15 OF THE ACRE THEY'RE OLDER PROPERTIES.
I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PAD PARK TOWERS, THE PAD MASHA RANCH, UM, THE LUXURY TOWNHOMES THAT WERE JUST BUILT JUST BEHIND THE HOME DEPOT.
CAN YOU GIVE ME AN IDEA ON WHAT THE DENSITIES ARE? I DO HAVE THE DENSITY FOR THE TOWNHOMES, WHICH IS AT PARK TOWER, AND THAT IS AT 15.76.
AND THAT IS TWO AND THREE STORY PROPERTIES.
THE OTHER MULTI-FAMILY TO THE OTHER.
I DO NOT FIND THE EXACT, BUT IT IS A LOWER DENSITY OF ESTIMATING AROUND EIGHT TO 12 YEARS.
AND THIS PROPERTY, THE PROJECT, THE, THE APPLICANT'S ASKING FOR 45.
ANY QUESTIONS? OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SUSAN? OKAY.
WE WILL GO TO THE APPLICANT, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I ACTUALLY CLOSED OUT OF YOUR PRESENTATION.
I'M GETTING SOME PEANUT GALLERY FROM, FROM MY LEFT SIDE HERE.
UH, JERRY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING I'VE, I'VE COME TO EXPECT AS I COME HERE TO CHANDLER.
NO ONE'S EVER ACCUSED ME OF NEEDING A MICROPHONE, SO I WILL, I CAN'T MOVE IT.
SO I'LL, I'LL TRY TO DO MY BEST WHEN AND RE UH, 1850 NORTH CENTRAL.
ONE OF THE FEW TIMES I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SPOUT OFF A NEW ADDRESS OTHER THAN OUR OLD ONE.
WE RECENTLY MOVED BUILDINGS, BUT 1850 NORTH CENTRAL HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT WOULD PARTNERS.
UH, SOME OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH, WITH PARTNERS, BUT THEY ARE A NATIONAL DEVELOPER THAT IS EXCITED TO BRING ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT INTO THE CITY OF CHANDLER.
UH, THE CHAIR, UH, IDENTIFIED, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL PROJECTS THAT THEY'VE DONE ON BOTH OF WHICH ARE AWARD-WINNING DEVELOPMENTS, UH, THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED.
UM, AND WE BELIEVE THAT, UH, THIS PROPOSAL OUT TO CHANDLER AT THE PARK IS, IS IN LINE WITH THE OTHER HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENTS THAT THEY'VE DONE HERE IN THE CITY AND THROUGHOUT THE VALLEY, THIS IS A MUCH NEEDED DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS AGING PART OF CHANDLER.
UM, IT'S AN AREA THAT I CAN SPEAK FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, UH, HAVING GROWN UP, UH, NO MORE THAN A STONE'S THROW AWAY FROM THIS SITE.
UH, MY FAMILY, OBVIOUSLY LONG TIME CHANDLER FAMILY, AND, UH, AND, AND CERTAINLY VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA.
AND THIS IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT'S MUCH NEEDED, UH, FOR THIS PART OF CHANDLER.
UM, THIS, UH, PARTICULAR CASE, UH, WAS INITIALLY STARTED BY, UH, STEVE EARL AND STEVE RURAL.
UH, SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, UH, PASSED AWAY, BUT HE BEGAN WORKING WITH STAFF AND WOOD PARTNERS, UM, BACK IN APRIL OF 2019.
SO 18 MONTHS THAT THIS HAS BEEN PROCESSING DURING THAT TIME.
AND CERTAINLY THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED, UM, I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THE USE LAYOUT AND DESIGN MEETS THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, THE CITY'S EXPECTATIONS FOR HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENTS AND SOMETHING THAT IS CERTAINLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT, THAT ALWAYS GETS A LITTLE BIT MESSY AT TIMES, AND CERTAINLY A REDEVELOPMENT OF A CHALLENGING INFILL UNDER UTILIZED, UH, OFFICE, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
UH, CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE.
IT WILL PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO PUT MORE, UM, FANS IN THE SEATS, AS THEY SAY, TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE RETAIL PROVIDED ADDITIONAL HOUSING CHOICE THAT DOESN'T EXIST IN THIS CURRENT AREA, AND CERTAINLY PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE, WORK AND SHOP IN THE SAME AREA.
THIS PROPOSAL IS SUPPORTED AND CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF IT.
WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ALTHOUGH I WILL NOT PURPORT TO SPEAK FOR THEM, UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, THEY ARE, UH, OKAY WITH
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THE CHANGE IN THE USE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, WE'RE MEETING THE CITY'S MULTIFAMILY DESIGN STANDARDS, AND WE ARE CERTAINLY APPRECIATIVE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.WE'RE OKAY WITH THE STEPS AND WOULD REQUEST THIS BODY'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT STAFF HAS TO SAY.
I'M GOING TO JUST TOUCH BRIEFLY ON SUSAN DID A GOOD JOB IN HER PRESENTATION IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND I RECOGNIZE WE'VE BEEN HERE A, A, A LENGTHY WHILE TONIGHT, NOT ONE OF THE LONGEST TIMES THAT I'VE BEEN BEFORE THIS GROUP, BUT CERTAINLY A LENGTHY TIME.
AND SO I WILL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF, BUT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT AS SUSAN KIND OF MENTIONED IS THAT THIS SITE AT ONE POINT WAS PART OF A 60 ACRE PAD MASTER PLAN THAT UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN WAS ANTICIPATED BACK WHEN IT WAS APPROVED TO BE A REGIONAL MALL, A RETAIL MALL AND THE OFFICE DEVELOPMENT CAME IN, BUT THE MALL NEVER DID.
UH, AND THAT WAS ABOUT THIS AREA WAS EVENTUALLY CONVERTED IN THE POWER CENTER THAT YOU SEE TODAY.
I BELIEVE IN THE NINETIES, I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS OFFICE BUILDING.
IT IS A 1980S, UH, ERA OFFICE.
AND, UM, AS, AS, AS THE UNDERLYING OWNER, UH, TOOK A LOOK AT THIS, UM, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT TO TRY TO MODERNIZE THIS BUILDING, TO BE ABLE TO BRING IT UP TO THE STANDARDS AND EXPECTATIONS OF TODAY'S THE MARKET RATES, UH, DIDN'T GROW OVER TIME, UM, FROM WHEN THIS DEVELOPMENT FIRST CAME IN TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THOSE TYPE OF MAJOR INVESTMENTS THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE.
ANECDOTALLY, I'LL TELL YOU THE OFFICE THAT I MOVED FROM SIMILAR IN SIZE, SIMILAR IN ERA OF THE BUILDING IN TERMS OF TIMEFRAME, IN WHICH IT WAS BUILT.
WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT BUILDING TO DETERMINE WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
IT WAS A BUILDING WE'D BEEN IN FOR 30 YEARS, AND WE'RE VERY PROUD TO BE IN THAT LOCATION.
WHEN WE STARTED TALKING WITH PEOPLE TO MODERNIZE IT, IT INFRASTRUCTURE, AIR CONDITIONING, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO, IT WAS OVER $2 MILLION INVESTMENT JUST TO REDO A SIMILAR SIZED OFFICE BUILDING IN PHOENIX.
SO AGAIN, I CAN CERTAINLY RELATE TO WHAT THE UNDERLYING SELLER HAS TOLD US ABOUT THIS.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE LOOK AT THIS SIDE IS IT'S BECOME KIND OF LESS DESIRABLE FOR OFFICE AS TIME HAS GONE ON WITH THE, UH, WITH THE TWO OH TWO COMING IN WITH A ONE-ON-ONE COMING IN AND ALL THOSE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE OFFICE THAT HAS GONE INTO WHERE THOSE LOCATIONS ARE.
UM, CERTAINLY, UH, THIS AREA BECAME LESS DESIRABLE FROM AN OFFICE STANDPOINT AFTER THE GREAT RECESSION IN 2008, UM, THERE, IT WAS OBSERVED THAT THE NUMBER OF THE TYPICAL TENANTS THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN THIS TYPE OF AN OFTEN COMPLEX REALIZED THAT THE WORK THAT THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO IN THIS BUILDING, THEY DIDN'T NEED TO.
SO A LOT OF THE TENANTS THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE IN THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT DIDN'T EVER RETURN, AND WE KNOW WITH COVID AND EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED, THAT THAT OFFICE MARKET CONTINUES TO CHANGE AND EVOLVE.
AND SO THERE NEVER, AT ANY POINT WAS THE DEMAND TO EXPAND TO THAT VACANT TWO-ISH ACRE PARCEL, IT'S IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE SITE.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY, THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
AGAIN, I CAN GO INTO AS MUCH DETAIL AS YOU'D LIKE.
UM, IF YOU'D LIKE THERE'S A, AND I'LL GET TO SOME THINGS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO JUST TOUCH ON BRIEFLY WAS FOR OUR PRIMARY ACCESS IS OUR PRIMARY ACCESS IS OFF PARK LANE.
UH, THE CHANNEL BOULEVARD ACCESS HAS BEEN ELIMINATED.
WE DO HAVE, UH, ANOTHER ACCESS POINT, I MEAN, IN BE CAREFUL TO IDENTIFY IT AS SUCH ON OUR SOUTH ON COMMONWEALTH.
THAT IS NOT A RESIDENT EXIT THAT IS NOT A RESIDENT ENTRANCE THAT IS FOR FIRE ONLY, UM, FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES.
AND SO THAT HAS BEEN DESIGNED, UH, WITH A CRASH GATE, UH, AND WITH, UM, IT TO BE A, AN EMERGENCY ACCESS.
AGAIN, I CAN GO ON, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE FOUND WITH THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS IS THAT THE LEVEL OF AMENITIES ARE ALMOST A RESORT HOTEL STYLE IN THE LEVEL AND QUALITY OF AMENITIES.
AND CERTAINLY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TYPE OF THIS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SUSAN TOUCHED ON STAFF WANTED US TO LOOK REALLY HARD AT THE CORNER AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IT'S DESIGNED AS SUSAN INDICATED THAT WE WERE ASKED TO SEE HOW THIS WOULD RELATE TO THE EXISTING SIGN ON THE EAST SIDE.
AND SO DIMENSIONALLY, WE TRIED TO DO THAT THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT, BUT WE ALSO SAW AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO ACTIVATE THIS AREA A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND YOU CAN SEE ON THERE, WE'RE PROVIDING SOME BENCHES AND SOME PAVERS AND KIND OF A SEATING NODE BACK BEHIND THAT PROPOSED MONUMENT SIGN.
THAT'LL KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT SIGN WILL LOOK LIKE.
NEAT AND COOL, NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT IT'S GOT STEEL CUT PANELS IN IT.
UH, THERE'S A LOW MASONRY WALL.
UH, I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER HUMAN WILL APPRECIATE THIS.
IT HAS REVERSED PAN CHANNEL LETTERING, UH, ON IT.
UH, AND SO, UM, AS WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND I KNOW SUSAN SHOWED THIS AS WELL, THERE WAS A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF FOCUS ON
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THIS NORTHEAST CORNER AND THE WHOLE YES, NORTHEAST CORNER.THE WHOLE IDEA WAS TO CREATE A STRONG SENSE OF ARRIVAL TO REALLY MAKE A STATEMENT.
AND WE BELIEVE WE'VE DONE THAT.
WE'VE KIND OF CREATED AN OUTDOOR ROOM THROUGH THE USE OF THE GLASS AND CERTAINLY KIND OF A, A GLASS STOREFRONT AND THE AMOUNT OF ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL THAT'S GONE INTO IT.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING ON THE BUILDING HEIGHT WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR PICTURE, THE ACTUAL BUILDING HEIGHT TO THE ROOF DECK IS 43 FEET.
UM, THE REASON THAT WE'RE REQUESTING THE MID-RISE IS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING SUCH AS THIS TOWER ELEMENT, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FITTING ALL THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE, UH, UNDERNEATH THE, THE CITY'S CODE REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO THE ACTUAL BUILDING HEIGHT IS 43, BUT WITH ARCHITECTURAL EMBELLISHMENT AND TOWERS AND STUFF, THAT'S WHAT CREEPS US UP TO THE 63 FEET THAT WE'RE REQUESTING.
I WON'T TELL THE, I WON'T DELAY MUCH ON THAT EXHIBIT, BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE WAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN DESIGNED IS THAT THERE IS A LOT OF HORIZONTAL MOVEMENT.
THERE IS A LOT OF PUSH AND PULL ON THE BUILDING.
THERE'S A GOOD USE OF MATERIALS, UM, AND, AND WAYS TO KIND OF BREAK UP THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THIS IS AGAIN, ANOTHER ANGLE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SUSAN TOUCHED ON THAT I'LL JUST EMPHASIZE IS, IS WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS AREA AND, AND COMMISSIONER HUMAN, YOU ASKED, YOU KNOW, WHEN WERE SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS BUILT OR CHAIR HUMAN? I APOLOGIZE.
WHEN WERE SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS BUILT AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IT WAS IMPORTANT FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE THAT THERE WAS AN INAPPROPRIATE TRANSITION BETWEEN A FOUR STORY BUILDING AS WE MOVED SOUTH ON THE SITE.
AND SO, AGAIN, AS SUSAN INDICATOR, YOU CAN'T SEE IT BY THE TREES, BUT THERE IS A TWO-STORY ELEMENT TRIPPING DOWN TO A ONE STORY ELEMENT.
AND CERTAINLY WHEN YOU THINK OF AN EXISTING 1980S, MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING THAT'S SOUTH OF US, UH, THIS REPRESENTS A GOOD TRANSITION IN TERMS OF WHAT IT IS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE PAID PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT IS THE PEDESTRIAN SCALE.
WHAT IS IT THAT RESIDENTS AND GUESTS IN PASSERBUYS ARE GOING TO FEEL AS THEY WALK ALONG THE SIDEWALKS? AND THIS IS DESIGNED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT FEEL IS WITH PATIOS, UH, THAT OPENED UP WITH, UH, AGAIN, THE VARIOUS POLE AND PUSH IN THE BUILDING IN THE ARCHITECTURE, AND CERTAINLY THE LANDSCAPING.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO PARTICULARLY TALK ABOUT, AND I KNOW SUSAN MENTIONED THIS, UM, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE, THE LOCATION AND THE PROXIMITY OF THE BUILDING ALONG CHANNEL BOULEVARD.
UM, UH, THE, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED I BELIEVE BY THE CHAIR ABOUT HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO THE SAN MARCOS PROJECT DOWN THE STREET, UM, WHICH YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH.
UH, THIS IS DOUBLE THE LENGTH AWAY FROM THE SAN MARCO.
SO IN TERMS OF SCALE OF CLOSENESS OF THIS BUILDING TO THE STREET, IT CAN'T BE COMPARED TO SAN MARCOS BECAUSE THAT IS A MUCH CLOSER BUILDING.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU LOOK AT WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS IS WE ARE REQUESTING A 10 FOOT SETBACK, BUT AS STAFF INDICATED WHERE WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING AS YOU DRIVE BY OR WALK BY CHANDLER BOULEVARD, IS WHAT'S IT LOOK LIKE FROM THE CURB? WHAT'S THE DISTANCE FROM THE CURB AND AT OUR MOST, AT OUR CLOSEST POINT, WHICH IS TO A PATIO, WE ARE 29 FEET.
AND I LOOK AT WHAT MY DISTANCE IS FROM THE BACK OF CURB, TO THE ACTUAL FACE OF THE BUILDING AND NOT THE PATIO ITSELF, THAT IS 37 FEET.
OUR MAXIMUM IS 33 FEET TO A PATIO AND 41 SHEET TO A BUILDING.
AND YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT THAT PINCH POINT KIND OF IS IN THE MIDDLE.
I PURPOSELY PUT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN BENEATH IT.
SO AGAIN, YOU COULD SEE WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE IN TERMS OF THE, WITH NECESS BACK THERE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THAT 10 FOOT SETBACK THERE, NEVERTHELESS IS A DOUBLE ROW OF TREES.
THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED ABOUT PARK LANE, AND I DON'T HAVE THAT EXHIBIT UP.
I CAN THROW IT ON MY IPAD AND THE SCREEN, BUT IN LOOKING AT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS ON PARK LANE AND THE BACK OF CURB, THOSE ARE ACTUAL, CONSIDERABLY GREATER THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE BUILDINGS UP ALONG CHANNEL BOULEVARD.
UM, WE ARE 26 FEET, UH, AS YOU GET NORTH TOWARDS BOULEVARD, WHERE 26 FEET FROM THE BACK OF CURB TO THE CLOSEST PATIO, UM, ACTUALLY FROM THE SIDEWALK 31 FEET, IF WE GO FROM THE SIDEWALK, UH, AGAIN, TO THAT PATIO IN THAT PATIO IS AN ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING ITSELF WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL SIX FEET BEYOND THAT.
THERE IS ONE PINCH POINT AS YOU GO FURTHER SOUTH ON, UM, CHANDLER BOULEVARD ON PARK LANE.
UM, AND THAT IS TO THE LEFT OF THIS BUILDING.
YOU KIND OF CAN'T SEE IT IT'S A LITTLE BIT OFF, BUT THAT PINCH POINT, AGAIN, THE BUILDING IS 10 FEET AWAY, UM, FROM THE, FROM THE EDGE.
BUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, FROM THE BACK OF CURB, IT'S APPROXIMATELY BETWEEN 16 AND
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20 FEET.SO AS YOU GO DOWN THE REST OF PARK LANE AND HEAD SOUTH ON THE BUILDING, UM, AGAIN FROM THE, UM, BACK OF CURB TO THE EDGE OF OUR BUILDING IS ROUGHLY 26 FEET.
SO THOSE BUILDINGS LIKE CHANDLER BOULEVARD, AREN'T UP AGAINST THE ROAD.
SIMILARLY, WHEN WE LOOK AT PARK LANE, THERE'S THAT AS WELL, THERE'S ONE CHANGE THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
UM, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A FEW DISCUSSIONS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD AND COMMISSIONER CHAIR HUMAN KIND OF BROUGHT THIS UP WAS THE LENGTH OF THAT BUILDING ALONG CHANNEL BOULEVARD.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IS, IS PROPOSED THAT THERE BE A BREAK IN THAT BUILDING AND THAT BREAK IS GOING TO BE, UM, ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN.
IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE PLANS THAT GIVES US A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR A BREAK.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THAT THERE IS A BREAK JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA IN CONTEXT.
THAT'S WHAT THAT BREAKS LOOKS LIKE.
SO PRESUME YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN AT THE FRONT AND THEN LOOKING BACK INTO THE BUILDING, THE DEPTH ON THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 36 FEET ON THE FIRST FLOORS.
UH, AND THEN AS WE GO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, IT VARIES BETWEEN 30 AND 33 FEET.
AND SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO BREAK UP THAT MASSING OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WE STILL WOULD LIKE, UM, IN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT THERE BE GLASS, UH, TWO IN THAT HALLWAY.
THERE'S A HALLWAY THAT YOU CAN'T SEE, BUT THERE'S A HALLWAY BEHIND THAT.
AND WE STILL NEED IT TO BE SECURE, UM, TO GIVE RESIDENTS AND ABILITY TO GO FROM THE GARAGES, UH, THAT WALK INTO AN AIR CONDITION HALLWAY SO THAT THEY CAN THEN WALK AND GET TO THEIR UNIT WITHOUT THE NEED OF TRAVERSING THROUGH MULTIPLE DOORS AND BEING EXPOSED IF THIS WERE NOT AN ENCLOSED AREA.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING THAT GLASS BE INSTALLED IN THERE, AGAIN WITH THE DEPTH AND THE VARIATION.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE TRYING TO, TRYING TO FRAME THAT, UH, IN THAT BREAK, UH, WITH, UH, VERTICAL COLUMNS, STONE COLUMNS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THOSE STONE COLUMNS ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE ELSEWHERE ON THE SITE, UM, GENERAL WE CAN TALK ABOUT.
UM, AND I KNOW WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT URBAN DENSITIES ARE.
AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR THAT I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR THAT THE CITY CIRCULATION PLAN, UM, AND THAT HIGH DENSITY, UH, REQUIRES IT.
UM, THE COMMENT WAS MADE BEFORE I STOOD UP ABOUT KIND OF THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THE DENSITIES COMPARED TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT THOSE ARE 1980S, NINETIES, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES MORE NEWER BUILDINGS, BUT THE THING, THE KEY DISTINCTION BETWEEN THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE SOUTH OF OUR SITE, AND THIS ONE IS THAT NONE OF THEM ARE ADJACENT TO THIS HIGH CAPACITY TRANSIT CORRIDOR.
THEY ARE NOT ADJACENT TO CHANNEL BOULEVARD, WHICH IS ONE OF THREE HIGH CAPACITY TRANSIT CORRIDORS WITHIN THIS CITY DESIGNED TO CARRY A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
SO THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES BRENNAN WOULD PARTNERS, WHY DO YOU THINK MULTI-FAMILY OF THIS, OF THIS MAKES SENSE? AND WHEN WE START TO LOOK AT IT, WE START TO SEE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY APPROPRIATELY POSITIONED, UM, IT'S APPROPRIATE POSITION BETWEEN TWO OF THE CITY'S SIX GROWTH AREAS WITH THE DOWNTOWN AREA, TO OUR EAST AND WITH THE MALL MEDICAL AREA, TO OUR WEST, AND BEING ADJACENT TO A HIGH CAPACITY TRANSIT CORRIDOR.
WE HAVE AN ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO USE OUR RESIDENTS, TO BE ABLE TO GO AND SUPPORT BOTH OF THESE GROWTH AREAS.
WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, AND IT IS GOING TO ATTRACT HIGH QUALITY TENANTS, NEW DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS, UH, ARE REPRESENT A LIFESTYLE CHOICE SO THAT PEOPLE THAT COME TO THESE DEVELOPMENTS DO SO WILLINGLY.
THEY WANT TO LIVE IN THIS TYPE OF A COMMUNITY, A TRUE LOCK IT AND LEAVE IT RESORT STYLE COMMUNITY WHERE MAINTENANCE OBLIGATIONS ARE VERY MINIMAL.
WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT ON AVERAGE WILL HAVE AN HOUSEHOLD INCOME OF OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
WHAT DOES THAT TRANSLATE INTO A APPROXIMATELY $30 MILLION ANNUALLY IN ANNUAL BUYING POWER TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE EXISTING RESTAURANTS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP WHERE OUR SITE IS RELATIVE TO THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL, LARGER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN THE AREA.
CERTAINLY THE ONE AT THE SOUTH, THE RIGHT IMMEDIATELY TO OUR EAST, UM, GROSSMAN WHO OWNS THAT GROSSMAN, UH, WHO IS THE UNDERLYING OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY APPROACHED WOOD PARTNERS TO SAY, PLEASE, WILL YOU COME DEVELOP THIS? WE NEED ADDITIONAL FANS IN THE STANDS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS SAFEWAY THAT IS ADJACENT TO US.
AND AGAIN, AS YOU WORK, YOU KNOW, THE BASHES AT CHANNEL BOULEVARD
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AND DOBSON THAT WENT AWAY, UM, AND THAT SHOPPING CENTER, UH, CONTINUES TO STRUGGLE.YOU LOOK AT THE, WHAT RETAIL IS FACING AT THE MALL AND WHAT'S GOING THERE.
AND SO THIS DEVELOPMENT IS UNIQUELY SITUATED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SUPPORT TO BOTH OF THESE AREAS, TRANSIT UBER.
I MEAN, YOU'RE PROBABLY A FIVE MINUTE UBER RIDE AWAY FROM BOTH OF THESE LOCATIONS TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT SPENDING POWER, TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE A CONSIDERABLE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES IN THE AREA THAT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE OUR TYPE OF RESIDENTS OUT AND ABOUT SPENDING THEIR MONEY AND DOING THEIR THINGS.
SO I'VE TALKED A LOT, IT'S A HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, WITH A HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPER THAT IS PROPOSING IT.
WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA.
AND AS I SAID, WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH STAFF ON THIS NEIGHBORS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A NEIGHBOR HERE TONIGHT THAT WISHES TO SPEAK, BUT THERE WAS A, A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING BEFORE THE APPLICATION WAS EVER EVEN FILED.
NO RESIDENT SPOKEN OPPOSITION AT THAT ONE, THE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS THAT I HAD VIA ZOOM, NO ONE CAME TO THOSE ONES, NOT TO SAY THAT PEOPLE DON'T COME, THEY DO.
UM, BUT JUST AS WE'VE LED UP TO THIS PROCESS, WE'VE HAD GOOD SUPPORT OR LACK OF OPPOSITION.
HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CHARACTERIZE IT FROM THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
AND SO WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UH, AS WELL.
UM, BUT WE WOULD REQUEST THIS BODY'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU, MR. ROHN COMMISSION COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION.
I'M MAKING SURE I GO TO THE LEFT TONIGHT.
CAUSE I'VE GOTTEN YELLED AT EARLIER.
I KEEP, I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE.
I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE COMMISSIONER FLINT.
I WOULD NEVER DO THAT, BUT MR. PICO WAS QUIET LAST EARLIER, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T MISS HIM.
SO EVERYBODY ON THE LEFT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO THE YES OR THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER FLANDERS.
THANK YOU, MR. RAY, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, UH, HARD WORK THIS WEEK AND OUR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UH, ABOUT YOUR BUILDING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UH, UH, FIRST THING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE LAND USE, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS, UH, YOU KNOW, MULTI-FAMILY AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF ITEMS. UM, FIRST THING IS THE INTENSITY IS AS FAR AS THE WELLING UNIT COUNT, UM, WHICH PUSHED YOU GUYS TO A FOUR STORY BUILDING, UM, THE TWO BIG THINGS THAT, THAT BOTHERED ME ABOUT THE, UH, STREET FRONT FRONT BUILDING IS THE, THE HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING AND THE PROXIMITY TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, IT'S, UH, I THINK THE MINIMUM DIMENSION IS 10 SEAT OFF THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE, WHERE YOU'RE AT GOING DOWN CHANDLER BOULEVARDS.
UH, THE BUILDING ITSELF IS, YOU KNOW, UM, TICKLING 500, 500 FEET LONG.
AND THE HEIGHT OF IT IS I THINK IT'S LIKE 50 FEET, 40, 50 FEET, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE.
SO IT WAS, IT SEEMED TO BE A BIT INTENSE FOR ME ALONG CHANDLER BOULEVARD, WHICH IS A SIX LANE, YOU KNOW, THOROUGHFARE.
UM, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THIS WALL RIGHT ON CHANDLER BOULEVARD.
SO, UM, I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ITEMS, YOU KNOW, SETBACKS, THE HEIGHT AND THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING.
UM, YOU GUYS DID RESPOND, UM, YOU KNOW, TO A QUESTION ABOUT BREAKING IT UP AND PROVIDING A LITTLE, KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE POKE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING BY MOVING THAT CORRIDOR OR THAT FRONT WALL BACK, YOU KNOW, 30 FEET OR SO.
UM, WHEN I WAS INITIALLY SPEAKING WITH YOU AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I HAD A THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, TO AT LEAST OPEN UP THAT WHOLE THING.
SO THERE'S DAYLIGHT COMING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST TO GIVE A, A, A LITTLE BIT MORE DEPTH TO IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THIS WAY, YOU'VE, YOU KNOW, AT NIGHT AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH OR YOU'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A LONG WALL AGAIN.
UM, WITH THE, THE PROJECT ITSELF, DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AND THE USE OF MATERIAL.
YOU GUYS DID A GOOD JOB ON, ON THE ELEMENTS AND THE USE OF MATERIAL AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO IT'S JUST THOSE ITEMS THAT I'VE, I'VE GOT A LITTLE, LITTLE HIGH HEARTBURN WITH.
SO, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER PHILANDERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU WILLING TO TALK WITH US AS WE'VE KIND OF LEADING UP TO THIS.
SO A COUPLE OF THINGS AS WE LOOK AT IT, UM, LET ME JUST TRY TO KIND OF TAKING
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DOWN NOTES.I WANT TO MAKE SURE I ADDRESS EVERYTHING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUILDING SETBACK.
UM, AND I CAN APPRECIATE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 10 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK, BUT AS, AND, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME.
WE UNDERSTAND WHAT BUILDING SETBACKS ARE, BUT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY SEE THAT THEY DON'T SEE THAT THE PROPERTY LINE STOPS HERE AT 10 FEET.
AND THEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL X NUMBER OF FEET IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
AND THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED IN TERMS OF THE DIMENSIONS OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY REALLY TAKING PLACE OUT THERE.
IF I GO BACK TO THIS ONE AGAIN, DIMENSIONALLY, IT IS 10 FOOT.
THAT IS TO THE, THAT IS TO THE PATIO ITSELF.
UM, IF I WAS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, AND I WISH THAT THERE WAS AN EXCEPTION, AND MAYBE I COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB WRITING IN THAT SAID, PATIOS CAN ENCROACH IN AND GIVE YOU AN ACTUAL, TRUE BUILDING SETBACK.
BUT I KNOW WHAT STAFF IS CONCERNED WITH AND ENCROACHMENTS INTO BUILDING SETBACKS AS IT HAS BEEN TRADITIONALLY DEFINED.
AND I'M JUST LOOKING AT BUILDING MASSING.
AND THOSE PATIOS, YOU KNOW, THEY GO ALL WAY UP, YOU KNOW, TO THE, TO YOUR UPPER FLOORS.
SO, UH, I'M UH, IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME ONE MINUTE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PATIOS DO EXTEND UP.
I KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE SOME BALCONIES, BUT UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, I BELIEVE THOSE BALCONIES ARE RECESSED INTO THE BUILDING.
I MEAN, LET ME VERIFY THAT, BUT, BUT BE THAT AS IT ADMISSION.
AND YOUR ELEVATIONS WILL SHOW THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, UH, BE THAT AS IT MAY, AGAIN, I THINK WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT THE PROXIMITY OF THE BUILDING TO CHANNEL BOULEVARD, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S ONE ISSUE.
AND THEN, AND THEN THE MASSING, IF I LOOK AT THAT PROXIMITY AGAIN, IS, IS WE KIND OF LOOK AT THAT.
UM, WE ARE PROVIDING 37 FEET FROM THE CURB TO THE BUILDING AND THERE IS GOING TO BE LANDSCAPING.
AND AS I MENTIONED, THE PEDESTRIAN SCALE OF THE MOVEMENT OF THE BUILDING AT THAT PEDESTRIAN SCALE WITH THE DOUBLE ROW OF TREES, AND THAT'S WHY THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS ON THERE BECAUSE CERTAINLY WE WANT TO SHADE AND GIVE PEOPLE OPPORTUNITY TO WALK IN SHADE AND GET SOME RELIEF FROM ARIZONA HEAT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND SO THAT'S, UH, UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.
AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE IN TERMS OF DESIGN, IN TERMS OF WHAT THE FIELD WILL BE, BECAUSE I, I, I LIVE A STONE'S THROW FROM THIS SIDE.
I GREW A STONE'S THROW UP AWAY FROM THE SIDE.
I DIDN'T GO VERY FAR, YOU KNOW, AS IT RELATES TO CHANDLER.
AND I KNOW A LOT OF YOU HAVE BEEN UP IN CHANDLER A LONG TIME.
UM, SO MAYBE SOME OF YOU GUYS BEAT ME HERE.
I WAS A LITTLE KID, THEN DON'T REMEMBER IT.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, MOVED INTO GRANDMA AND GRANDPA'S HOUSE.
AND I CAN TELL YOU MORE STORIES ABOUT IT.
IT'S NOT PERTINENT FOR THIS DISCUSSION, BUT BE THERE AS IT MAY.
I THINK, AS WE DRIVE DOWNTOWN THE BOULEVARD, AND AS YOU LOOK DOWN IT, THERE IS A, UH, LANDSCAPE SETBACK.
THERE IS SEPARATION FROM THE STREET.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING SETBACK WITH RESPECT TO THIS AND THIS EXHIBIT DOESN'T, DOESN'T ACCURATELY PORTRAY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE TRIED TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO PUT IN FRONT OF HIS COMMISSION TO MAKE THEM FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE BREAK IN THE BUILDING.
IT IS INTENDED THAT THERE IS GLASS ON THE FRONT AND THEN ON THE BACKSIDE THAT THERE WOULD BE GLASS AS WELL.
WE DO HAVE AN ELEVATOR SHAFT THERE.
UM, BUT THAT THERE WOULD BE GLASS ON THAT BACKSIDE AS WELL.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS AN OPPORTUNITY AS PEOPLE LOOK THROUGH THAT, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DAYLIGHT TO COME THROUGH THOSE GLASS.
AGAIN, THESE ARE AIR CONDITIONED CORRIDORS.
THE PEOPLE THAT COME INTO THIS TYPE OF A DEVELOPMENT WANT THAT THEY WANT THE AIR CONDITIONING.
AND SO WE'VE DONE, UM, AS BEST WE COULD TO KEEP IT SECURE AND SAFE FOR THE FUTURE RESIDENTS AND YET PROVIDE THE VISIBILITY THAT I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING FOR WITH GLASS ON THE BACK AND GLASS ON THE FRONT.
I WAS LOOKING FOR SOME TYPE OF DAYLIGHT TO SHINE THROUGH AND I, AND I KNOW IT'S A STRICTLY A DESIGN THING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, AS WE HAD TALKED ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, I'D COMMENTED ON AN OPEN RAILING SYSTEM, OPEN RAILS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU WALKED THROUGH.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I DIDN'T, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A LOT OF, UH, UH, DESIGN ISSUES AND EVERYTHING TONIGHT, BUT, UM, UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS, CURIOUS AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO DO TO KIND OF OPEN THAT AREA UP A LITTLE BIT MORE, THAT'S SORT OF THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER FLANDERS.
UM, IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, WHAT WE WILL DO IT FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
WE'D STILL LIKE TO HAVE GLASS AT THE GROUND LEVEL AND THAT FLOOR LEVEL, BUT WE HAVE NO PROBLEM OPENING UP, UM, AS YOU GO UP THE BUILDING
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SO THAT INSTEAD OF THE GLASS THERE, IT WOULD BE OPEN RAILING, UM, ON BOTH SIDES TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.I MEAN, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME RELIEF IN AT LEAST OPEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT.
I THINK AGAIN, FOR SECURITY REASONS AND A VARIETY OF THINGS, I THINK THE GLASS IS THERE.
I THINK THE GLASS HELPS TO RELATE TO WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THE CORNER AS WELL, TO TIE THAT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE IN.
UM, BUT AS WE GO UP THE BUILDING, UM, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THOSE BEING WHAT I'LL CALL BREEZEWAYS, UM, AS WE GET TO THE SECOND, THIRD AND FOURTH, OF COURSE.
AND THE INTENT HERE IS JUST TO, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF OPEN THAT ALL UP, YOU KNOW, AND PROVIDE SOME RELIEF OF THAT, YOU KNOW, 487 FOOT LONG BUILDING.
SO, AND I, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE OTHER PLANNING COMMISSIONER SAID ANY COMMENTS RELATED TO THAT.
OH, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT HERE IN A SECOND.
SO ARE YOU FINISHED? YES, SIR.
COMMISSIONER CALLED YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.
UM, OVERALL I DO LIKE THIS, THIS PROJECT ARCHITECTURALLY, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT.
I DON'T HAVE AS MUCH HEARTACHE ABOUT TAKING DOWN THE OFFICE SPACE AT THAT POINT.
UH, BRENDAN, DO YOU KNOW, BY CHANCE KNOW KIND OF WHAT THE AVERAGE OCCUPANCY OF BEAR WITH ME ONE MINUTE.
I'LL SEE IF I CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.
UH IT'S YOU'RE THE CHAIR COMMISSIONER CLUB LO I CAN'T GIVE YOU A MORE DEFINITIVE ANSWER THAN THAT.
I BELIEVE THERE ARE TENANTS THAT ARE STILL IN THAT THERE WASN'T A CAR THERE.
SO PLUS THERE WERE PARTS OF IT.
YEAH, THAT KIND OF GOES TO MY POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS A VIABLE, USABLE OFFICE BUILDING? AND I THINK WHAT COVID IS, IS SHOWING US IS A LOT OF, A LOT OF OFFICE BUILDINGS.
A LOT OF OFFICE ENVIRONMENTS ARE, THOSE ARE SHUTTING UP SHOP, NOT NECESSARILY CLOSING THE DOORS, BUT LETTING THEIR EMPLOYEES WORK FROM HOME.
UM, AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT MORE OF THAT IN THE FUTURE AND AS YOU KNOW, THE TECHNOLOGY.
SO IT DOESN'T GIVE ME NEARLY AS MUCH HEARTACHE TO, TO TAKE THAT ELEMENT OUT OF, UH, OUT OF THE EQUATION TO BUILD THIS.
UM, MIKE, MY CONCERN IS AS A CHRISTIAN FLANDERS BROUGHT UP ALSO JUST THIS LONG, BUT ALL, UH, I LIKE KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE DONE WITH THE, THE ARTICULATION IN THE MIDDLE OF BREAK THIS UP, YOU GOT THE APPEARANCE OF TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS WHILE STILL KEEPING THE CONNECTION AND NOT HAVING TO DO MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE ELEVATOR SHAFTS.
SO I RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF, OF OPENING IT UP TO TWO BALCONIES, UM, W WITH RAILING, UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FIRST FLOOR OR A FRIEND.
UM, IF IT GOES FURTHER OUT TO A STEP THAT, YOU KNOW, THE STOREFRONT THAT YOU USE AT THAT AREA, A COUPLE OF THINGS WOULD MATCH THE STOREFRONT YOU HAVE AT THE, AT THE CORNER.
UH, UM, AND POSSIBLY EVEN ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH THIS ALCOVE IS A SECURITY ITEM.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO FOR LIGHTING? YOU KNOW, CAN WE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO DESIGN THIS FOR YOU, BUT YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS AREA? SO IT'S SAFE FOR PEOPLE WALKING, WALKING BY RIDING THEIR BIKES.
IS THIS A PART WHERE THEY'RE WITH THE UNITS ON THE SIDE? IS THERE A DOOR FROM THAT STOREFRONT MAYBE OUT, UH, TO CONNECT TO THE SIDEWALK TO THE FRONT, THOSE ARE ALL ITEMS TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT CREATE MOVEMENT, GREAT ACTIVITY IN THAT SPACE.
SO IT'S NOT A SAFETY ISSUE, UM, IN TO THAT.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE WIDTH OF THAT IS GOING TO BE? I KNOW YOU'RE A LITTLE UNSURE, BUT WE, WE LET'S SEE THE CHAIR COMMISSIONER CLUB.
WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S APPROXIMATELY 18 FEET.
UM, UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO REALLY GET INTO THE DETAILS OF, YOU KNOW, MEASURING INCHES AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT, BUT GENERALLY WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S ABOUT 18 FEET.
DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WE PAID A SNIP THAT, YOU KNOW, A MINIMUM OF 18 FEET WIDE IN THAT AREA, THAT'S FINE.
AS, AS WELL AS WELL, I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IN TERMS OF THE STIP OF THE GLASS
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RELATING BACK.WE HAVE NO PROBLEM THAT STIPULATION.
UM, AND, AND ON THE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, A SECURITY ISSUE THERE, UM, WOULD PARTNERS FOLLOWS THE SEP TED CONCEPT, CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTALLY ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THEY DO FOLLOW THE SEPTET PRINCIPLES.
AND THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT, THAT THEY WILL LOOK AT AS WE LOOK AT THIS AREA TO ENSURE THAT IT IS, THAT IS SAFE, THAT IT DOESN'T BECOME A LITTLE HANGOUT WHERE, UH, MISCREANTS WILL WANT TO HIDE IN AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF UNSUSPECTING PEOPLE AS THEY WANT.
I THINK THAT THAT WOULD, THAT'S THE MAJOR POINTS THAT I HAD, AND I THINK YOU'VE ADDRESSED A LOT OF THOSE OVERALL.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A NICE PROJECT, UM, UH, FOR THAT, FOR THAT AREA, I THINK IT BRINGS SOME NEW BLOOD INTO THAT SPOT.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS MR. ROSE OR COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL? NO.
THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY ON VIDEO RECORD.
UH, THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE CHAIR, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT THAN MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER, MR. FLANDERS.
UH, I DON'T THINK IF I'M THINKING OF BEING A RESIDENT HERE, I DON'T THINK I WANT OPEN RAILWAYS.
I DON'T THINK I WANT TO GO BACK OUT AND BE EXPOSED.
I DON'T THINK I WANT TO WORRY ABOUT SOMEONE FALLING OVER THE EDGE BY OPENING THAT UP AND BREAKING THAT UP.
I DON'T THINK I WANT TO DEAL WITH WEATHER ELEMENTS ENTERING THE BUILDING AFTER I COME OFF THAT ELEVATOR.
UM, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A NICE JOB IN ITSELF CREATING A BREAKUP.
UH, IT'S SIMILAR A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN WHAT WE SEE JUST A MILE DOWN THE ROAD AT SAN MARCOS.
AND THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS REALLY NICE WHEN YOU DRIVE BY IT.
UM, SO I HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT ON THAT.
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO DO THAT OR THAT I'D LIKE TO GET THAT.
KAREN PROBABLY BUTCHER THE LAST NAME BATON COURT.
YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MR. RAY WILL MOVE AWAY SO THAT HE'S NOT INTERFERING.
YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS KAREN BETANCOURT AND I LEAVE AT 100 SOUTH ASH DRIVE IN CHANDLER AND, UH, THAT IS A REAL TO HEAL THREE.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT SHARING MY COMMENTS EARLIER, BUT I REALLY FIND ASSOCIATION DID NOT RECEIVE ANY NOTIFICATION NOR WAS I AWARE OF THE, SOME MEETINGS WITH THAT SAID, UM, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE USE.
UM, BUT I DO HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS AND I DID SHARE, UH, MY CONCERNS, UH, WITH THE COMMITTEE.
AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK.
UM, SO I'M TRYING TO BE BRIEF.
I THINK IN MY, A MEMO I TOOK ABOUT, YEAH, THE SPANISH REVIVAL, UH, STYLE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH I DON'T CARE IF IT'S DEMOLISH.
UM, BUT I DO CARE ABOUT THE COMMON AREAS THAT WE, UH, ENJOYED, UH, AS WE LEAVE IN THE VICINITY.
AND, UH, THEY WERE OPEN TO EVERYBODY SINCE THIS WAS A BANK AND IT WAS NEVER POSTED A NUTRITIOUS PASSING SIGN AS IT TURNED INTO AN OFFICE.
UM, THERE WERE VERY LARGE FOUNTAINS AND SEATING AREA THAT WAS RECENTLY REMOVED AND THE FOUNTAINS WERE TURNED OFF.
UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE I AM A WITNESS OF HOW WELCOMING THE AREA WAS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THAT S CELEBRATE IT AND I CAN SEE HOW THE PEDESTRIAN ENTRY PLAZA IS STARTING TO DO THAT.
UM, HOWEVER, I THINK IT WILL BE GREAT TO INCORPORATE MAYBE A WATER ELEMENT TO HAVE AN ECHO OF THOSE TWO BIG, LARGE FOUNTAINS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED.
UM, ALSO I'M CONCERNED AS I LOOK AT THE EVOLUTION OF THE RENDERINGS, UH, THE FIRST TWO RENDERINGS ARE THE ONES THAT WERE ATTACHED TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING VIA SOON AS I LOOK IN THE, UM, LINK THROUGH SITE, UM, PLANNING AT IT SHOW A MUCH MORE TRANSPARENT, UH, UM, DESIGN BECAUSE THE MONUMENT SIGN OR THE ACCENT COLUMNS WERE NOT THERE, I RECOGNIZE THE EFFORT TO CREATE A SYMMETRICAL ENTRY WITH THE OTHER SIDE OF PARK LANE.
HOWEVER, THE BUILDING IS ALREADY NOT CREATING A CEMETERY BY ITS VOLUME AND BY THE LOCATION THAT IT HAS.
SO MACHINE TO THE PARKLAND BOULEVARD AND CHANDLER.
SO EVEN THOUGH I RECOGNIZE THE EFFORT, I DON'T THINK IT'S A SUCCESSFUL ONE, UM, BY JUST PUTTING A CHAMFER, UM, MONUMENT TO MIMIC THE PARKING SIGN
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ON THE OTHER SIDE.UM, I BELIEVE THAT THAT I TOTALLY KEEPS THEM PEDESTRIANS OUT OR GIVES A SENSE OF, UM, BLOCKING WHAT THE BUILDING WAS DOING AND I'LL CONTINUE.
UM, ANOTHER ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THE LACK OF USE OF DETACHED SIDEWALKS ALONG PARK LANE, AND COMMONWEALTH.
THE RENDERING THAT IS PART OF THE EXHIBITS IS VERY HANDSOME.
AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SOLUTION.
THE, UH, PLAY OF THE SIDEWALKS GOING IN AND OUT IS VERY GOOD, BUT THAT STOPS, AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN ANY LONGER ALONG PARK LANE OR COMMONWEALTH.
AND THE PAPERWORK THAT I SHARED WITH YOU, I HAD IDENTIFIED SOME AREAS WHERE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY OF HAVING THOSE, UH, ADDED.
YEAH, I BELIEVE THERE'S NO UTILITIES OR ANYTHING ON THE WAY AS WE ARE AWARE AS DETACHED, THAT WORKS ARE SAFER.
AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE MORE BLESSED THAN BECAUSE THEY KEEP THE PEDESTRIAN AWAY FROM THE VEHICLES.
SO I WILL ASK THAT IF THAT'S POSSIBLE TO BE INCORPORATED, I THINK IT WILL BE A GOOD THING.
I ALSO, I GO, STILL HAVE CONCERNS.
IT'S ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF COMMONWELL AND PARK LANE.
IT IS A BUSY ONE AND IT IS NOT SAFE AS WE SPEAK.
UM, I USE COMMONWEALTH ON A DAILY BASIS.
I SHOP AT A HOME DEPOT AND SAFEWAY AND AN AVAILABLE IS ALREADY DIFFICULT TO CROSS PARKLAND AND GO, UH, WEST INTO COMMONWEALTH.
I SEE PEDESTRIANS RUNNING CONSTANTLY TO TRY TO AVOID THE VEHICLES THAT ARE COMING FROM PARK LANE, GOING NORTH INTO IT BECAUSE THE ALIGNMENT OF THE ROAD IS A CURVE ONE, AND THE CARS CANNOT SEE THE PEDESTRIANS.
UM, I SEE THAT THE PROPOSAL IS, UH, ASKING FOR SOME CROSSWALKS TO BE, UM, ADDED, UM, BUT NO, UH, STOP SIGNS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE BEST SOLUTION, BUT I DO HAVE A CONCERN.
I WILL LIKE IT FOR A TECHNICAL EXPERT TO MAYBE RECOMMEND WHAT WILL BE THE BEST SOLUTION TO THAT.
I DID HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE PARKING ALONG COMMONWEALTH, UM, BRANDON ALREADY, UM, ESTABLISHED THAT THIS WILL NOT BE AN EXIT FOR THE RESIDENTS IF IT WAS, UM, THOSE PARKINGS WERE ACTUALLY BLOCKING VISIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.
SO THERE WOULD BE, I ASSUME THAT NOT COUNT TOWARDS A PARKING CALCULATIONS.
UM, I DO WANT TO ESTABLISH THAT WE DO HAVE ALREADY A PROBLEM AT COMMONWEALTH WITH POP PEOPLE PARKING ALL ALONG, AND THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONVOLUTED.
SO IF IT CAN BE AVOIDED, IT WILL BE GREAT, BUT AT LEAST IT'S BETTER THAT THE CARS ARE NOT COMING OUT ON THAT EXIT.
AND IF I COULD HUMBLY ASK THAT IF THAT IS THE CASE, THAT THE PARKINGS ARE GOING TO STAY THERE, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE ONLY AN EXIT AND ENTRANCE FOR FIRE, THEN THAT THAT IS A STIPULATED OR OTHERWISE.
IF IT'S NOT GOING TO, UM, IF IT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR THE RESIDENTS TO EXIT, THEN THE PROPER VISIBILITY IS APPLIED TO IT AND THE TECHNICAL DESIGNS ARE APPLIED TO IT.
UM, ALSO PARKING ALONG COMMONWEALTH, UH, UM, LEAVES OUT THE POSSIBILITY OF EVER HAVING FUTURE BIKE LANES AT COMMONWEALTH, BECAUSE THAT WILL BE GRANDFATHERED IN, AND WE WON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD THOSE TO IT.
UM, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE EFFICIENCIES ON PARKING.
UM, IT WILL BE GREAT IF THE PROJECT CAN ACTUALLY PARK ITSELF RATHER THAN ASK FOR A REDUCTION ON PARKING.
AND, UH, UM, ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE VOLUME OF THE VLD IN ACID IMPOSE INTO THE CORNER OF, UH, COMMONWEALTH AND PART LANE.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS PRETTY DENSE IS 45 DWELLINGS PER ACRE.
THE BASE OF WHAT'S THE 18 NUMBER ESTABLISHES.
UM, IF WE CAN MANAGE THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER IS PROBABLY MORE ACCURATE TO THE AREA.
AS SUSAN MENTIONED, THE TOWNHOMES THAT ARE IN THE VICINITY ARE 15 DWELLINGS PER ACRE.
SO THAT'S A VERY LARGE CHANGE ON IT.
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO DELVE A LITTLE BIT, AND MAYBE THE POSSIBILITY FOR CHANDLER TO START LOOKING AT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS WAS A BAD COMMERCIAL SOUNDING TO, UH, NOW WE'RE PROPOSING AS SONY, SONY OF MULTI-FAMILY.
AND, UH, WE SEE THROUGH THE VALLEY HOW, UM, THEY ARE STARTING TO DELVE INTO HAVING FIRST FLOOR COMMERCIAL MIX WITH UNITS ABOVE.
IT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE THAT I THINK FUNCTIONS WELL AND SERVES EVERYBODY.
I SAW THAT IN THE PROPOSAL THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A DOG, A GROOMING ROOM AND A BIKE, UM, AREA, BUT THESE SERVICES ARE ONLY FACILITIES THAT ARE ONLY AVAILABLE FOR THE RESIDENTS.
AND I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED IF, UH, UM, THE DEVELOPER CAN ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE TO USE IT BY PAYING A FEE, AND THEN THAT WAY EVERYBODY BENEFITS FROM THESE IN TERMS OF THE SOMEWHAT COMMERCIAL.
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WELL, THAT SAY, I WOULD SAY THAT AS A BUILDING ACTIVELY ENGAGED SHANDOR BOULEVARD, UM, IT WILL BE IN PARKLAND.IT WILL BE GREAT IF WE CAN ACT ACTIVATE COMMONWEALTH.
SO IT DOESN'T END UP BEING THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT STORAGE AREA THAT WE HAVE FURTHER DOWN THE WEST SIDE OF COMMONWEALTH.
THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE THINKING, THANK YOU, SET ALL THEN.
THANK YOU, SHARON MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
SO I WAS JOTTING NOTES, AND I THINK THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADDRESS.
ONE OF THE THINGS IS, IS THAT I HEARD DEALT WITH KIND OF THIS, THIS CORNER FEATURE IN WHAT IT IS.
UM, AND, UM, WE THINK THAT THIS IS A VAST IMPROVEMENT TO WHAT EXISTED THERE BEFORE.
UH, AND CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 1980S, 1990S POWER CENTER, UH, AND AN OFFICE COMPLEX, UM, THAT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE LIFE TO IT, UH, AND CERTAINLY TRYING TO DESIGN IT TO WHERE IT'S IDENTICAL TO WHAT IT WAS BEFORE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, MAKES A LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO ENHANCE AND IMPROVE THE AREA.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT RELATING TO, UH, AGAIN, A 1980S, 1990 MONUMENT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE IN 2020, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE QUESTION OF THE SIDEWALK, UM, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT WHERE THERE ARE POSSIBILITIES FOR US TO DETACH THE SIDEWALKS.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME PLACES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING LARGER TREES TO BE PLANTED, AND THAT WE'VE GOT TO JUST LOOK CLOSELY AND SEE IF THERE'S GOING TO BE CONFLICTS THAT WOULD FORCE US TO REDUCE THOSE TREES, UH, OR REDUCE THE SIZE OF THEM.
SO THEY DON'T PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE SHADE THAT WE'RE HOPING TO THROUGH THE SHADING.
UM, THE OTHER ONE THAT I HEARD, UH, DEALT WITH THE INTERSECTION OF COMMONWEALTH AND PARK LANE, UH, AND WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO A TECHNICAL, UH, PERSON REVIEWING TO SEE WHETHER A STOP SIGN IS WARRANTED.
AS WE VISITED WITH CHANDLER STAFF AND OUR PRIVATE, UH, TRAFFIC, UH, ENGINEER ON THIS DEAL, STOP SIGNS ARE NOT A SPEED CONTROL MEASURES, UH, STOP SIGNS, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT AND I, I BELIEVE MS. BETANCOURT TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE TRYING TO PLAY MY WORDS FROGGER ACROSS THE STREET TO BE ABLE TO GET IN THERE A STOP SIGN.
IT LOOKS AT CONTROLLING VOLUMES, UH, NOT SPEED AS YOU RUN AS YOU DRIVE.
UM, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO HAVE OUR STAFF PERSON, OUR, OUR, UH, WHETHER IT'S CHANDLER STAFF OR OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
SEE WHAT MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE IN MOST SITUATIONS THERE'S PUBLISHED CRITERIA THAT PEOPLE LOOK AT TO MEET AND TO LOOK AT, TO SEE WHETHER WARRANTS ARE SATISFIED FOR A STOP SIGN FOR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE SOMEBODY LOOK AT THAT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO PARKING, UM, I'LL TELL YOU THAT WE ARE, AS YOU WELL AWARE, REQUESTING A REDUCTION IN THE, IN THE, IN THE CODE, UM, FROM WHAT CODE REQUIRES TO WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING.
AND, UH, AS YOU LOOK AT IT, UM, THERE'S A VARIETY OF WAYS THAT WE CAN SLICE THIS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE BELIEVE THAT THE REDUCTION IN PARKING IS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE WE ARE ADJACENT TO A HIGH CAPACITY TRANSIT CORRIDOR.
THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR RIDE SHARING AND SERVICES.
AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN KIND OF IN THE TREND IN THE MARKETPLACE IS THAT, UM, THERE IS A LESS AND LESS OF A DEMAND FOR PARKING, UM, BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S TAKING PLACE, BUSES, MULTIMODAL, TRANSPORTATION, RIDE SHARING, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND SO WE BELIEVE THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS APPROPRIATE.
AND WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS WITH PLANNING STAFF ABOUT WHAT IS APPROPRIATE PARKING AND HAVE SUBMITTED A PARKING STUDY TO JUSTIFY THE REDUCTION, WHICH STAFF IS REVIEWED AND HAS AGREED WITH, WHICH IS WHY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITHOUT A STIPULATION, SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT PARKING.
SO, UM, I THINK THOSE WERE KIND OF THE MAJOR ISSUES.
IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT I, THAT I MISSED, THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE ME TO ADDRESS.
I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT, BUT AGAIN, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, BUT WOULD REQUEST APPROVAL OR MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
UM, DID YOUR APP, DID THE APPLICANT LOOK AT OTHER TYPES OF USES FOR THIS LAND? I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE NOT MULTI-FAMILY, BUT WE LOOK AT JUST TO THE EAST OF THEIR NEW TOWNHOME PROJECT THAT WENT IN FOR SALE.
UH, WE PROVED SOME OTHER THINGS TONIGHT THAT DID YOUR APPLICANT LOOK AT OTHER POTENTIAL USES IN TERMS OF MULTIFAMILY, OTHER THAN THIS 45 PER MASSIVE UNIT.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK CLAY RICHARDSON WITH WOOD PARTNERS.
I'LL GO ASK TO SEE IF I CAN GET AN ANSWER FOR HIM,
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BUT IN TERMS OF ALL OTHER MULTIFAMILY, ARE WE TALKING LIKE TOWNHOMES CONDOS OR HELP ME? YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT FIT BETTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.I, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED FOR A WEEK NOW ON THIS PROJECT, AND I HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION FROM YOUR GUYS AND SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS UP HERE THAT I DON'T FEEL THIS FITS WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK IT FITS GREAT IN DOWNTOWN.
I THINK ALL THE STEEL YARDS IN THE SAN MARCUS PROJECT FIT WELL ON A DOWNTOWN AREA.
WE CAN CALL THIS HIGH CAPACITY TRANSIT.
RAIL HAS NEVER BEEN PLANNED FOR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT OTHER STUFF AROUND AND LOOK AT INFILL PROJECTS, THE INTENSITY FOR THIS SITE TO ME, DOESN'T FIT.
AND I'M JUST CURIOUS IF OTHER THINGS WERE LOOKED AT FOR THIS SITE.
I E TOWNHOMES, I, YOU KNOW, SINGLE-STORY RENTALS THAT WE'VE DONE ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO MAYBE YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BIT.
I'LL ASK MY CLIENT CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, WOOD PARTNERS IS A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER.
THEY ARE AN APARTMENT DEVELOPER.
UM, THEY, THEY DID NOT LOOK AT, UM, OTHER USES BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WITHIN THEIR NORMAL BALLYWICK, UH, OF WHAT THEY DO AND OPERATE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, I THINK IS, IS INTERESTING TO NOTE IS THAT, UM, THEY WERE SPECIFICALLY APPROACHED BY THE UNDERLYING LAND OWNER TO BRING THIS IN BECAUSE THE LAND OWNER RECOGNIZED THAT THEY HAD AN ASSET IN THE SAFEWAY IN THE HOME DEPOT, IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THEY WANTED TO ENSURE THAT AGAIN, AS I SAID, THAT THERE ARE FANS IN THE STANDS TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT SHOPPING CENTER VIABLE FOR THE LONG-TERM AND FOR THE FUTURE.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING REDEVELOPMENT, UM, IT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT BALL GAME WHEN YOU'RE TALKING REDEVELOPMENT OF AN EXISTING SITE WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEMOLISHING A BUILDING AND CLEANING UP SITE WORK AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AS OPPOSED TO, I THINK, I BELIEVE THIS WAS THE ONLY REDEVELOPMENT CASE THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A VACANT OR LARGELY VACANT PIECE OF DIRT, WE'RE ABLE TO GO IN AND GO VERTICAL WITH IT.
AND SO WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF THAT, THAT'S WHAT LED WOULD PARTNERS TO LAND WITH THE PROPOSAL THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT? WHAT A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU? THE OFFICE BUILDINGS IN OUR FRONT THAT ARE BEING TALKED ABOUT BEING TORN DOWN, WHAT YEAR WERE THOSE PURCHASED BY THE UNDERLYING PROPERTY OWNER? UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR OR CHAIRMAN? UH, MY UNDERSTANDING, I BELIEVE THAT WAS 2010, BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GREAT RECESSION, SO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MAKING SURE I COVER BOTH SIDES, SO, OKAY.
I, BEFORE I GO THERE, THERE WAS NOBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT ONE OF THEM MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS PROJECT THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS ANYBODY.
UM, I'M JUST GOING TO OPEN IT UP WITH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT COMMENTS AND IT'S, IT'S A GREAT PROJECT IN TERMS OF BEAUTIFUL, YOU KNOW, MULTI-STORY BUILDING BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
BUT MY ISSUE WITH THIS CASE HAS BEEN FROM THE START, THE LAND USE IN TERMS OF THE INTENSITY THAT'S ON THIS SITE.
AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THIS WORKS WHERE IT'S AT.
I THINK IT WORKS GREAT IN A DOWNTOWN AREA.
UM, THE 500 OR 480 FEET CROSS THE FRONT IS A PROBLEM TO ME AS WELL, THE MASSING, BUT, UM, I LOOK AT THE, THE, THE INTENSITY HERE AND I DROVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD QUITE A BIT THIS AFTERNOON, AGAIN, TO LOOK AT IT.
AND I'M VERY CHALLENGED BY THIS PROJECT.
SO THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, BUT IF THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS SEPARATE THE TWO, JUST LIKE WE'VE DONE EARLIER NIGHT AND ON THE, THE REZONE AND THEN ALSO THE PDP.
SO THAT'S, I'LL OPEN UP TO ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS.
I HAVEN'T ANY, DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR OR, OR SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THROUGH THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER ROSE? I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ZONING.
IS THAT YEAH, FOR THE PROJECT.
OR EMOTIONAL SECOND ON THE, ON THE PAG.
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OKAY.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE PDD COMMISSIONER PICO.
SO YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE REALLY PROPOSING IS DRC FOR, IF I DIDN'T SAY I JUST, I'M JUST SEPARATING THE TWO FROM LAND USE.
I, I DON'T, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY TALK ABOUT DRC.
WAS THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM ANY OF THE ARCHITECTS IN TERMS OF DRC? I THINK THOSE COMMENTS, YOUR COMMENTS WERE INCORPORATED THE RUNNING, RIGHT? OKAY.
THROUGH THE CHAIR, THROUGH THE CHAIR, UM, MY BIGGEST HEARTBURN IS THE 50 FOOT WALL, 10 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO AGAIN, THE ZONING THAT SOMEBODY SENT THE QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS KNOW ZONING, ISN'T A PROBLEM WITH, IT'S JUST THAT, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THAT? AND WHERE DO YOU GO WITH, SO AT THIS POINT, AND YOU COULD DO THAT THROUGH STIPULATIONS ON THE PDP.
AND SO DOES THAT ANSWER COMMISSIONER PICKUP.
SO I GOT A MOTION ON THE FLORIDA PROOF.
THE PAG I'LL DO THIS AGAIN BY A HAND RAISE.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MOTION FOR THE PHD, RAISE YOUR HAND.
SO THAT MOTION CARRIES FIVE TO TWO.
SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE ONE WITH ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS FOR THE PDP, A FEW STIPULATIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE, YOU KNOW, BREAKING THE BUILDING, UM, ADD, YOU KNOW, APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, BREAKING THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AT THE ELEVATOR SHAFT WAS, YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO PUT A SEPARATE STIPULATION WITH THE WIDTH THAT BREAK.
I MEAN, WITH THE, WITH THE, YEAH, WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE MINIMUM BREAK, 18 FEET WIDE.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER STIPULATION WITH, UH, UH, APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THE, UM, GLAZING ALONG THE ELEVATOR ELEVATOR WALL AND THE CORRIDOR WALL ADJACENT, ADJACENT TO THE ELEVATOR CLEAR AS MUD, RIGHT? YEAH.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEEDED OF THAT INSET ZONE, JUST SO THAT STAFF HAS CLARITY? I THINK PROBABLY THE APPLICANTS GO INTO NEXT.
UH, THE, SO THE STAFF HAD SHOWN AN OR THE STAFF, THE APPLICANT HAD SHOWN AN EXHIBIT, UH, THAT SHOWED, UH, THE BREAK, UM, INDICATED THAT WAS APPROXIMATELY 18 FEET WIDE.
UH, AND IT HAS GLAZING ON ALL FOUR FLOORS.
I HEARD A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE IN DISCUSSION OF WHAT WE DO WITH FLOORS TWO THROUGH FOUR.
UM, AND THIS CAN SERVE PERFECTLY FINE AS THE RECORD UH, IT'S IT'S RECORDED.
UM, AND WE W WE CAN MAKE IT A PART OF THE RECORD GOING FORWARD TO COUNCIL.
SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY NEED A STEP THAT REQUIRES THIS UNLESS, UNLESS THE DESIRE IS THAT IT LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN THIS FOR MY DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT OPENING SECOND, THIRD, AND FOURTH FLOOR TO OPEN AIR.
YOU PROVIDE MORE OF A SEE-THROUGH, YOU KNOW, FROM FRONT TO BACK AND, UM, COMMISSIONERS, UH, UM, UM, REFERENCE OR STIP WAS TO PROVIDE THE GLASS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THE GLASS IN THE FIRST FLOOR BASE, BASED ON WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THE, THE ELEVATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW WOULD BE WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE GOING TO, OKAY.
THIS THING CAN SERVE AS THE RECORD, THEN WE DON'T NEED THAT.
MY INTENT WAS HAVING THE OPEN BREEZEWAYS, IF YOU WILL, AT THE FIRST LEVEL, BE THE STOREFRONT TO GIVE THE SECURITY APPLICANTS.
WE PROBABLY NEED TO READ THESE IN INDIFFERENCE.
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WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT THERE YET, SO, OKAY.SO THE FIRST FLOOR, THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD BE THE ENCLOSED STOREFRONT, AND THEN A SECOND, THIRD AND FOURTH FLOORS WOULD BE OPEN, OPEN, REALLY COVERED AREA.
OR APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF, WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT.
SO, KEVIN, DO YOU WANT TO TRY AND READ OR TAKE A MINUTE OR TWO TO FIGURE OUT THE STEPS SO WE CAN KIND OF RUN INTO THE RUN AND RUN THEM BACK SINCE THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH, SO AT LEAST IN CONCEPTS OF STEPS, AND IT'D BE PROBABLY, I WOULD LIKE A COUPLE MINUTES AND TO WORK ON SOMETHING ELSE.
SO WHY DON'T YOU TAKE A COUPLE MEDICINES? LET'S FIGURE OUT SOMEBODY PUT THEM INTO THE RECORDS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING OUR, THIS ELEMENT THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND MEMORIALIZING THE DIRECTION.
WE WANT THAT TO GO, UH, BOTH WITH WHAT THE TWO COMMISSIONERS JUST SAID.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY, IT NEEDS TO BE MULTIPLE STEPS.
WE CAN WRAP IT INTO ONE, JUST, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION AND WE'LL WRAP THAT INTO IT.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT AT LEAST OTHER SIPS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT, ADDING ON, I THINK THAT YOU INDICATED CHEMISTRY CLUB, THAT YOU HAD A COUPLE OTHERS OUTSIDE OF THAT.
DO YOU WANT TO ADD, UM, AND WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT, UH, BASED ON WHAT THE CITIZEN HAD COMMENTED IN, WHAT I THINK I HEARD THE APPLICANT SAY THAT THEY'RE OKAY.
UH, WITH CONDITIONS, WE WOULD WORK OF A STIP ABOUT, UH, UH, ADDING DETACHED SIDEWALKS WHERE WE CAN ALONG COMMONWEALTH AND ALONG PARK LANE, UH, THAT, UH, A TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD BE DONE, UH, TO DETERMINE, UH, STOP SIGNS OR SOMETHING THAT AFFECTED THEM, BUTCHERING THIS CONCEPT AT THE MOMENT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I THINK I HAD HEARD IT, THAT, THAT IT WAS OKAY, UH, THAT THE SOUTH EXIT ONTO COMMONWEALTH, UH, IT COULD BE CONDITIONED AS EMERGENCY EXIT ONLY SO THAT IT COULDN'T, COULDN'T BE A RESIDENT EXIT.
I THINK THOSE ARE THE STEPS OUTSIDE OF WHATEVER THAT'S ACTUALLY NOTED IN THE DOCUMENT.
NOW THAT IT'S AN EMERGENCY ONLY, BUT IT IS.
I THINK, I THINK THEY MADE IT.
WAS IT SOMEBODY MADE A COMMENT ABOUT A CONDITION IN IT, OR MAYBE IT WAS AN ASK? I DON'T KNOW.
THE ONLY OTHER STEP WAS THE LAST ONE THAT I HAD SAID WAS, YOU KNOW, CREATING, UH, FOR THAT ZONE AT THE GROUND LEVEL.
AND THAT INSET PART, LIKE SOMETHING, SOME TYPE OF CONNECTION.
I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE STOP SIGN AND THE TRAFFIC THAT, UM, WE HAVE A GREAT TRAFFIC STAFF, BUT THEY SOMETIMES LIKE TO GO BY THE WARRANTS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TECHNICAL ODDS ARE PERFECT THAT FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA, THAT THAT SHOULD BE REQUIRED, WHETHER IT'S PURE SLOWDOWN PEOPLE, IT'S STILL A METHOD OF, OF STOPPING PEOPLE FROM JUST RUNNING THROUGH THERE, FAST, SOME CONCERN THAT WE'VE HAD THIS IN OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY WHERE IT DOESN'T PERFECTLY WARRANT THE CALMING MEASURE, BUT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE OTHERWISE THAT'S WITH AN ADDITIONAL 293 UNITS GOING IN THERE WITH A POTENTIAL 450 CARS.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SOMEHOW MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.
YOU CAN WORK WITH OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND STUFF TOO, BUT I THINK IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT AND MARY DEREK CAN HELP WITH THAT AS WELL.
SO THAT, YEAH, THAT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE.
IF YOU WANT TO FIGURE THAT OUT, WHAT'S A CUP, GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF MINUTES AND THEN WE CAN, HUH? THE RAILINGS KIND OF, IT'S ALL KIND OF WORKING ITS WAY INTO ONE STEP.
SO THERE, THERE COULD BE AMENDED WITH THE MOTION OF THE MOTION.
EITHER DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND AT THAT POINT, OR WE'RE OKAY WITH THE STIPULATION AS A COUPLE.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, THESE POOR LADIES ARE SITTING HERE.
AS DAVID'S FINISHING UP THE, UH, THE BIG ONE, ARE WE, ARE
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WE STILL ALIVE? I DIDN'T GET TO AMERICA.SO NUMBER NINE, THE AFRICANS TO WORK WITH STAFF, UH, TO INCLUDE DETACHED SIDEWALKS WHERE APPROPRIATE, UH, NUMBER 10, A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, SHELL STUDY, I'D BE CALLING THE MEASURES AT THE PARKLAND AND COMMONWEALTH INTERSECTION.
UH, 11, THE SOUTH EXIT SHALL BE RESTRICTED TO EMERGENCY EXIT EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY.
AND THEN NUMBER 12 MIGHT BE MULTIPLE POINTS TO THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE, THE BREAK IN THE BUILDING NOW REPRESENTING THE NEXT ELEMENT.
SO NUMBER TWO, EXCUSE ME, NUMBER 12, OR READ A BREAK SHALL BE ADDED ON THE BUILDING ALONG CHANDLER BOULEVARD WITH THE MINIMUM WIDTH OF 18 FEET AND AN INTERIOR CLOSED CORRIDOR ON THE GROUND FLOOR WITH AN OPEN RAILING ON THE FLOORS ABOVE, AND THEN A STIPULATION NUMBER 17.
I THINK THIS WOULD BE AS SEPARATE STEP 13, 13, 13.
I'M JUST TEASING ON THE GROUND FLOOR IN THE BREAK SHALL MATCH THE STOREFRONT GLAZING AT THE CORNER.
DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? THANK YOU.
AND WE NEED TO ADD SAFETY MEASURES TO THAT, TO THAT STEP, CAPTURE THAT.
THAT IS THE, UH, THE ONE THAT, OR I GET THAT WRONG.
SO DOES THE SAFETY MESSAGE A SEPARATE STEP? UH, WE'LL ADD THAT ONTO THAT, THAT BREAKS, BUT WE'LL INCLUDE SAFETY MEASURES AT THAT ALCOVE.
SO WE NEED THE MOTION MAKER TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE PDP, WITH THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF JUST READ INTO THE RECORD, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PDP WITH, EVEN WITH THESE STIPULATIONS STAFF JUST RIGHT INTO THE RECORD.
SO I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.
ANY OPPOSED? I OPPOSE SO FAST.
WELL, I'M SORRY, MR. FLANDERS, THAT YOU WERE YES OR NO.
FIVE TO TWO APOLOGIZE IS THAT NO LONG NIGHT.
THANK YOU TO THE ZONING ATTORNEY ALSO.
ITEM G, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT, BUT I'M GOING TO LET THE LADIES WHO HAVE COME AND SAT HERE FOR HOURS TO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THE TIMER ON YOU, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GO PAST 10 O'CLOCK BECAUSE THEN WE'LL BE WAY PAST MY BEDTIME.
BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOUR CONCERNS WITH THE VILLAGE AT COLLEGE PARK, THAT'S LOUD.
I LIVE AT 29 47 WEST MERLE BARRO DRIVE IN CHANDLER.
AND THIS IS CONCERNING THE, UM, GOING FROM AGRICULTURAL TO MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY BY, UM, ELLIOTT ROAD AND THE ONE OH ONE.
SO I REALLY WANTED TO COME TODAY.
BUT, UM, IN THE NOTES, HOW IT SAYS THE PLANNING STAFF ISN'T AWARE OF ANY OPPOSITION WHEN THE FIRST MEETING WAS, I WAS OUT OF STATE.
SO I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THIS WAS GOING ON TILL VERY RECENTLY.
UM, SO, BUT TO LET THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW THAT THERE REALLY IS, UM, A BIT OF OPPOR OPPOSITION WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THIS, UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, COME IN.
UM, SO THE I, WHERE I LIVE, THERE'S THE HORSE PROPERTY RIGHT BEHIND, AND THEN THE PROPERTY THAT IS UP FOR THIS MULTI FAMILY, UM, USE THE HORSE PROPERTY THAT IS, THERE IS NOT JUST HORSE PROPERTY IT'S, UM, THERE IT'S A, A HORSE THERAPY PEOPLE.
SO THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE TREATED THERE FOR A LOT OF THINGS, AND WE ALL CONSIDER THAT TO BE A VERY VITAL PART OF OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ANOTHER FACILITY LIKE THAT NEAR.
UM, SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE LIVE IN, WHICH IS RIGHT, RIGHT BY THERE, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 16 ACRES AND THERE'S 60 HOUSES THERE AND OUR HOUSES ARE FAIRLY CLOSE TOGETHER.
SO THIS PLAN COMMUNITY IS THREE OR 3.5 ACRES WITH 40 HOUSES IN IT.
SO IT'S EVEN MUCH MORE CONGESTED AND MUCH MORE, UM, THAN, THAN OUR OUR COMMUNITY IS.
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SO THE REAL CONCERNS WITH IT IS, UM, I KNOW, UM, TAYLOR TALKED TO US OUT IN THE HALL A BIT AND REALLY, UM, GAVE US A LOT OF INPUT ON IT.SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT HE WAS VERY KIND AND VERY, UM, FORTHCOMING WITH HIS THOUGHTS ON EVERYTHING.
UM, SOME OF THESE HOUSES ARE VERY SMALL.
I KNOW WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION, BUT I'M VERY NOT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
I WILL SAY FOR, UM, FOR THE COMMUNITY, WITH 40 HOUSES IN THIS SMALL AREA, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME OUT ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD BY PRICE ROAD.
SO THAT IS ALREADY PRETTY JAMMED WITH TRAFFIC AS IT IS.
SO THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BE A HUGE, HUGE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.
SO THAT'S, UM, VERY MUCH A CONCERN IT'S ALREADY ALSO BECAUSE THE FREEWAY IS RIGHT THERE.
THIS IS JUST GONNA REALLY INCREASE, UM, THE NOISE A LOT.
UM, AND I HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED INTO THIS A LOT, BUT I KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED LIKE WATER ISSUES OR HOW MUCH THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PROPERTY AND, AND WATERS AND, AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING TO DO, UM, WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO JUST IN SUMMATION, I MEAN, THAT'S THE MAIN POINTS.
UM, THE TRAFFIC, THE INCREASED VOLUME, SO MANY HOUSES IN SUCH A SMALL, SMALL AREA AND HOW THAT'S REALLY GONNA WORK BE FUNCTIONAL.
AND, UM, AGAIN, JUST TO LET, UM, THE COMMISSIONERS ALL KNOW THAT EVEN THOUGH, UM, IN THE NOTES, HOW THEY SAID THE PLANNING STAFF WASN'T AWARE OF ANY OPPOSITION, THERE REALLY IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF OPPOSITION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S ALL THEY REALLY NEED TO STAY.
IS RIGHT ON THE BACK, LIKE RIGHT ON THE HORSE PROPERTY AND THEN YEAH.
HORSE PROPERTY AND THEN THIS PROPERTY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? JUST QUICK COMMENT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WAITING TO MAKE YOUR HOME.
I KNOW HOW THE ASLA DINGO, MY, MY LACK OF MY DRIVE FOR IT TO BE THE LONG RUN.
COULD HAVE BEEN LETTER A AND YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT OF HERE.
BUT SO WOULD YOU MA'AM WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AS WELL? YOU'VE WAITED.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT LIKES TO SPEAK ON THIS THING, TAYLOR, YOU GUYS WANT TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT ANYTHING OR WE GOT YA AND THANK YOU FOR WEARING A TIE TONIGHT.
JUST, HEY, I WAS TRAINED, I WAS TRAINED BY A GUY WHO HAD NEVER, WHO WOULD BE, WOULD ROLL OVER.
LET'S SAY IF I JOKED FOR YOU GUYS.
UM, SO FOR YOUR RECORD ON TAYLOR, EARL WITH EARL AND CURLY, WE'RE AT 31 OH ONE NORTH CENTRAL AVENUE.
I ACTUALLY REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CHAT BEFORE TONIGHT, SO I JUST WANT HIM APPROACHED HIM AND SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TALK TO ME, BUT I'D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO CHAT OUTSIDE.
YOU KNOW, THE HEARING'S GONNA BE AWHILE.
UH, AND TO HER CREDIT, SHE WAS WILLING TO COME OUT AND CHAT WITH ME.
SO THAT'S TO HER ABSOLUTE CREDIT THAT SHE WAS WILLING TO DO THAT BECAUSE I WAS A STRANGER, WE'RE NOT STRANGERS ANYMORE, BUT WE WERE AT THE BEGINNING.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK A COUPLE OF JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS, I WOULD NOTE, UH, THE TREY LAZIO THAT'S SOUTH OF US, UH, DOES HAVE A DENSITY OF 4.96, AND WE'RE 10.39.
SO IN TERMS OF THE PLANNING PRINCIPLES OF TRANSITION OF DENSITY, WE ABSOLUTELY PROVIDE THAT.
UM, I THINK THAT ANOTHER BIG, BIG FACTOR TO CONSIDER WHEN WE THINK ABOUT INFILL ALWAYS HAS THESE TYPES OF QUESTIONS, WHAT IS THE IMPACT TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES? IT'S THE FIRST THING THAT I THINK ABOUT WHEN I DO INFILL, OKAY, LET'S LOOK AT WHO'S NEXT DOOR AND WHERE WE PUT IN THINGS.
AND SO SOME BIG FACTORS TO CONSIDER TO THE EAST WHERE A BIG SETBACK FROM THE EAST, RIGHT? WE HAVE THIS, THIS PROPERTY, THIS HORSE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S ALREADY THAT BUFFER.
WE DON'T HAVE, UH, OUR TWO STORY HOME AGAINST A TWO-STORY HOME.
THAT'D BE THE FIRST THING I WOULD LOOK AT AGAIN, ALSO THAT WE'RE SINGLE STORY.
UH, WE ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING UP SOMETHING OF A SEVEN TO EIGHT FOOT WALL ON OUR NORTH PROPERTY LINE, AND WE'RE ONLY SINGLE STORY.
UH, AND SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS IS ARE THEY GOING TO BE LOOKING INTO MY BACKYARD? AND I THINK THAT I WON'T SPEAK FOR ABOUT SUPPOSE WHEN HE WOULD BE CONCERNED IF WE WERE DOING THAT, IF WE WERE HAVING SOMEBODY LOOKING INTO OUR YARD.
SO I THINK THAT'S A BIG FACTOR, RIGHT? UH, WE DO HAVE THE CONGRESS TO OURSELVES.
UM, BUT WE'RE, UH, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
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UM, THE TRAFFIC ON PRICE, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT THERE IS A LOT OF CAPACITY, I THINK, UM, AS WE'VE GO OUT AND LOOK AT LOTS OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, I THINK WE ARE AWARE OF PLACES WHERE IT REALLY IS QUITE CONGESTED, THAT THE MOVEMENTS OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION YOU'LL OFTEN HEAR THIS COMMISSION, MATT, THERE'S JUST NO WAY THEY CAN MAKE THAT MOVEMENT THAT IS GOING TO BE A STACK UP.AND IT'S GOING TO STACK US UP HERE WHERE YOU ONLY HAVE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT.
UM, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE REALLY HAVE THAT CONDITION HERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF CAPACITY ON PRICE ROAD.
UH, THE DEVELOPER SAID, I WENT AND I BACKED UP.
I WAS ABLE TO BACK MY CAR OUT INTO PRICE.
YOU REALLY CAN'T DO THAT ON NORMAL ARTERIAL ROADS.
SO, UH, SO I THINK 40, 40 HOMES THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN IS RELATIVELY VERY MINOR IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC CONTRIBUTION.
24 OF OUR 40 UNITS ARE ONE TO TWO BEDROOM, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT HAVING, YOU KNOW, 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOMES.
THEY WOULD HAVE FOUR BEDROOMS, MAYBE TEENAGE DRIVERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO SOME SOMETHING TO KIND OF CONSIDER AS WELL.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE QUALITY, I THINK THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE STUDY SESSION, I CERTAINLY AGREE THAT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION.
UM, I WOULD JUST SAY PERSONALLY, I THINK IT'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE PRODUCT.
I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN WE GO THINK WE LOOK AT THIS AS REALLY A SINGLE STORY OR SINGLE FAMILY, AND THEN WE GO AND SAY, WELL, THEY'RE SMALLER THAN MY SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
AND IT HAS DIFFERENCE, BUT THIS IS A MULTIFAMILY PRODUCT, WHICH IS GENERALLY THE SAME.
AND YOU LOOK AT OTHER BUNGALOW PRODUCTS AND NO DISRESPECT TO THEM, BUT THEY GENERALLY HAVE THE SAME ARCHITECTURE POP UP, UP, UP, UP, UP, UP, UP.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT OUR MIX OF ARCHITECTURE, THERE IS QUITE A VARIETY OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, RIGHT? THIS ISN'T HOME FOR EVERYBODY.
BUT IT WORKS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
THE OTHER PRODUCT THAT WE HAVE AT RAY IN THE QUEEN HAS NEVER NOT BEEN LEASED EVERY UNIT BEFORE IT WAS BUILT.
IT HAD A LEASE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND AS AT LEAST ONE OUT SOMEBODY ELSE, AT LEAST IT, I MEAN, IT HAS BEEN NO VACANCIES SINCE THE MOMENT IT WAS BUILT.
PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE A RENTAL PRODUCT THAT'S HIGH END.
THAT FEELS LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THERE'S NO SHARED LIVING WALLS.
UH, AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY BEEN VERY WELL RECEIVED.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT USE FOR WHAT IS A BOWLING PARCEL, A BOWLING ALLEY PARCEL.
IT'S VERY CHALLENGING TO DO TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT HERE TO COME IN AND DO A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS NOT JUST OKAY, BUT I THINK THERE'S A REALLY HIGH, HIGH QUALITY.
I REALLY THINK IS A WIN FOR THE CITY.
AND I THINK THAT THE IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL, UH, RESPECTFULLY TO ANY, I THINK THEY WILL BE VERY, VERY MINIMAL GATES CAUSE YOU'RE GATED ABOUT BEING LEFT OPEN.
SO THERE ISN'T AN ISSUE WITH BACKING UP ON A PRICE ROAD.
SO SOMETHING I WOULD PROBABLY, I DEFINITELY WANT TO TALK, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT.
ONE THING THAT I CAN CERTAINLY PULL UP THE GRAPHIC AND SHOW, WE DO HAVE A DECENT AMOUNT OF CHEWING SPACE ON SITE.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY IF, IF LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, THAT BECAUSE WE'RE A RENTAL COMMUNITY AND NOT A CELL COMMUNITY, WHAT SOMETIMES HAPPENS IN A CELL COMMUNITY IS WE DON'T EXPERIENCE THAT PROBLEM UNTIL WE'RE GONE.
RIGHT? THIS IS EXPERIENCE WHERE IF IT'S A PROBLEM, OUR TENANTS ARE GOING TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS A PROBLEM FIX THIS.
THAT'S NOT TRUE OF A CONDO SITUATION EITHER.
RIGHT? THEY HAVE TO WORK ON THE ASSOCIATION AND THEN IT TAKES A LITTLE LONGER FOR THE BUREAUCRACY TO WORK.
THEY'RE GOING TO COME STRAIGHT TO US AND SAY, THERE'S A PROBLEM, RIGHT? FIX IT.
WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO BE SOMETHING RNA.
OUR RESIDENTS WOULD SAY, I HATE GETTING STACKED UP.
I DON'T FEEL SAFE STACKING ONTO PRICING.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT PRO PREEMPTIVELY, BUT CERTAINLY AS WE GOT INTO IT, IF IT BECAME A PROBLEM THAT DOES SOUND LIKE A PRETTY DECENT SOLUTION, I JUST WOULD HAVE TO, IN TERMS OF KEEPING IT OPEN FOR AN HOUR OR TWO, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HE DOESN'T MAKE A JUDGMENT CALL ON.
SECOND QUESTION, THE RENTS, YOU ALREADY HAVE THIS PROP, THIS PRODUCT, THAT RAY MCWANE, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE RENTS AND BALLPARKS? YEP.
SO I WILL GIVE THE FAIR CAVEAT THAT I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD BEFORE, WHICH IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO MARKET TODAY.
AND IF WE WENT TO THE MARKET IN, RIGHT.
I JUST HAD TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
UH, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT ONE BEDROOMS WOULD BE 13 TO 1400, TWO BEDROOMS, 15 TO 17, AND A THREE BEDROOMS, 18 TO 2000.
SO BASICALLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT PEOPLE'S INCOME LEVELS AND MINIMUM OF 50,000 AND ABOVE TO RENT THIS.
WHAT I WOULD SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RATIO IS, BUT YEAH, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE BASING IT OFF OF THE, SO IT SOUNDS REASONABLE.
UM, BUT I CAN SAY ABSOLUTELY IS OUR GOAL IS TO BE AT THE UPPER END OF THE RENTAL MARKET.
AND THE ONLY WAY WE DO THAT IS BY DELIVERING QUALITY AT THE OUTSET AND DELIVERING QUALITY.
AND THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS BECAUSE THE, IF YOU USE ONE THIRD OF YOUR INCOME AT $2,000 A MONTH IS $24,000.
YOU MULTIPLY IT BY THREE IT'S, $72,000 INCOME AT A MINIMUM, SO, RIGHT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR TAYLOR COMMENTS ON HIS TIE OR ANYTHING? WHAT AM I WEARING TONIGHT? OKAY.
YEAH, IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S ONE OF MY DESKTOP.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE FLOOR I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE FLOOR, ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION? OTHERWISE I'LL
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ENTERTAIN A MOTION.I'M LOOKING RIGHT AT YOU, MR. P CAL.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT, OR WE CAN LOOK ON THIS SIDE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE, DO YOU WANT TO SAY, MAKE A MOTION TO STAFF TO MOVE ME TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DIRE? SO RICK HAS TO LOOK THEN EVERY TIME I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION.
UH, WE'RE ON ITEM E UH, MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM E G G JAY.
SO WE GET A LITTLE PUNCHY AFTER FOUR HOURS, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM G PLH TWO ZERO DASH ZERO ZERO THREE TWO SLASH PLT, 20 DASH ZERO ZERO ONE SIX, THE VILLAGE AT COLLEGE PARK SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY TO LADIES IN THE AUDIENCE.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
WHEN DOES THIS GO TO COUNCIL? NOVEMBER 5TH.
SO YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
IF YOU HAVE, YOU CAN EXPRESS YOUR CONCERNS THERE AS WELL, BUT WE'RE ONLY RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE COUNCIL.
SO, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING SO PATIENT.
UH, BRIEFING ITEMS THEN, UM, MEMBERS, COMMENTS.
[6. MEMBERS’ COMMENTS / ANNOUNCEMENTS]
I WILL JUST MAKE ONE QUICK COMMENT.UM, THAT ELECTION DAY IS NOVEMBER 3RD.
UM, WE ARE NOW 13 DAYS ACTUALLY AT THIS TIME OF NIGHT, WE'RE ACTUALLY DOWN AT 12 DAYS PROBABLY.
UM, OR THERE IS A DROP-OFF VALVE BOX HERE AT CITY HALL.
THERE'S ALSO EARLY VOTING SITES OPEN AROUND THE CITY AS WELL, INCLUDING BY THE MALL.
UM, SO PLEASE TAKE YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS SERIOUSLY AND GO OUT AND VOTE BECAUSE IT'S A SUPER IMPORTANT ELECTION.