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TO THE NOVEMBER 9TH STUDY SESSION[ Call to Order]
OF THE CHANDLER CITY COUNCIL.[ Consent Agenda Items listed on the Consent Agenda may be enacted by one motion and one vote. If a discussion is required by members of the governing body, the item will be removed from the Consent Agenda for discussion and determination will be made if the item will be considered separately.]
HAVE, UH, SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN CALLED IN ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA.[3. Purchase of Transit Advertising and Maintenance Services Move City Council approve Agreement No. CM6-155-5084, with Outfront Media Group, LLC, for transit advertising and maintenance services for an initial five-year term, January 1, 2027, through December 31, 2031, with the option to extend for one four-year term, and then an additional option to extend for one subsequent three-year term. Council Focus Area(s):]
ITEM NUMBER THREE, PURCHASE OF TRANSIT ADVERTISING AND MAINTENANCE SERVICE.UH, AND YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR JASON CREMPTON, CORRECT? NO, NO.
UH, WE, UH, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PULLED.
YOU GOT YOUR ANSWER ON THIS ONE AND ON THE 14-2, I THINK, RIGHT? THAT'S THE ONE THAT I - YES.
[5. Construction Agreement with Edge Construction, LLC, for the Community Retreat and Garden Space at 190 South Dakota Street, located in Chandler Downtown Move City Council award Construction Agreement No. CA2502.401 to Edge Construction, LLC for the Community Retreat and Garden Space at 190 South Dakota Street, in an amount not to exceed $927,001.65. Council Focus Area(s):]
ONE IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT WITH EDGE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE COMMUNITY RET - FOR COMMUNITY RETREAT AND GARDEN SPACE AT 190 SOUTH DAKOTA STREET, LOCATED IN DOWNTOWN CHANDLER.AND, AND RYAN BALK IS GOING TO, UM, UM, SHARE A BRIEF OVERLOAD OVERVIEW, NOT AN OVERLOAD.
AND THEN SEVERAL OF US HAVE QUESTIONS.
I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE GOT IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
SO, UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
THANKS FOR PROVIDING THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT THIS AGAIN.
SO, UM, TONIGHT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CITY OF CHANDLER COMMUNITY RETREAT AND GARDEN SPACE.
AND WE'RE ASKING FOR, UM, WE'LL BE ASKING FOR APPROVAL TO AWARD THE CON- CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT TO EDGE CONSTRUCTION.
THIS, UH, SITE IS AT 190 SOUTH DAKOTA STREET IN THE PUEBLO VIEJO NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS PLANNED FOR A COMMUNITY RETREAT SPACE AND SOME GAR - AND SOME GARDEN SPACE.
IT WILL BE A SAFE, WELCOMING PLACE TO REST, CONNECT, AND GROW.
IT WILL BE A PERMANENT PUBLIC ASSET.
IT'S A LASTING INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE INTEND TO PAY FOR IT WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND BLOCK GRANT FUNDS, WHICH ARE PURPOSED SPECIFICALLY BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO SERVE LOW AND MODERATE INCOME AREAS.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO DO THAT BY MAY OF 2027.
AND WE STARTED THIS PROCESS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UM, ACTUALLY IN 2023.
WE STARTED THIS WITH A LARGE EVENT AT THAT SITE.
WE HAD ALMOST 500 PARTICIPANTS THEN.
AT, AT THAT TIME, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT, UM, THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY A COMMUNITY GARDEN SPACE.
WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT COULD THIS SPACE BE IN THE FUTURE AND HOW MIGHT MIGHT WE FUND THAT.
SO THIS IS REALLY A PROJECT SHAPED BY RESIDENTS.
SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE WE, WE BEGAN THAT.
WE FOLLOWED THAT MEETING UP IN 2024 WITH ANOTHER MEETING TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
AND MANY IDEAS WERE BROUGHT UP AND WE LOOKED INTO THEM ALL.
AND THE MOST VIABLE OPTION WAS, WAS REDOING THIS SPACE THAT USED TO BE A COMMUNITY GARDEN, BUT MAKING MORE OF IT, ENVISIONING IT REALLY AS A PUBLIC GATHERING SPACE, AS SOMEPLACE PEOPLE COULD HAVE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, UM, SOME PEOPLE, PLACE PEOPLE COULD COME HAVE SOME HEALTH AND WELLNESS IN THEIR COMMUNITY, GET THEIR HANDS DIRTY.
UM, AND SO THESE DISCUSSIONS BEGAN.
WE, UM, IN 2024, WE ACTUALLY TOOK SOME CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS OUT TO THE SPACE AND WE HAD RESIDENTS GIVE US PUBLIC INPUT.
THEY USED STICKIES AND GAVE US THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN IN 24 AND AGAIN IN 2025, WE BROUGHT THAT ITEM TO COUNCIL THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY, UH, BLOCK GRANT DEVELOPMENT PLANNING PROCESSES.
AND IT WAS APPROVED SEVERAL TIMES, UM, FOR ACTION.
BETWEEN THEN AND NOW, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR ARCHITECT, UH, J2 TO DESIGN THE GARDEN.
AND FINALLY, UM, THIS PAST YEAR WE WERE ABLE TO PUT THOSE, THE DESIGNS OUT TO BID.
AND IN LATE OCTOBER, WE RECEIVED THOSE BIDS.
AND WE GOT THREE CONSTRUCTION BIDS AND I'LL GO OVER THEM WITH YOU TONIGHT.
UM, AND WE EVALUATED THOSE BIDS.
BUT BEFORE I GO OVER THE BIDS, I'D LIKE TO TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THIS GARDEN HAS TO OFFER.
SO IT'S REALLY, IT'S MORE THAN A GARDEN.
IT'S REALLY A COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE, A BRIGHT SPOT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND ESPECIALLY DOWN HERE IN THIS DOWNTOWN AREA, THIS AREA IS A HISTORIC SITE.
IT'S, UM, SO WE WANT TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT THIS SITE AND TA - AND, BUT, BUT KEEP IT, UM, AS IT WAS IN ITS NEIGHBORHOOD OVER TIME.
SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, I THINK IT'S A GATHERING SPACE.
IT WILL BE SHADED, UM, DURING THE DAY.
IT WILL BE WELL LIT AT NIGHT AND IT WILL BE SECURE.
WE HAVE PLANS, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT TO
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MA - PUT A CEMENT WALL AROUND IT WITH SOME BEAUTIFUL FENCING.IT'S REALLY A PLACE THAT PEOPLE CAN STOP ALONG THEIR WAY TO REST, OR, OR DO PROGRAMMING THAT WE PLAN TO BRING TO IT.
UM, AND ALSO TO GROW BOTH, BOTH, UH, PHYSICALLY.
WE HAVE SOME GARDEN BEDS THERE.
WE'D LIKE PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY LEARN HOW TO GROW THINGS, BUT ALSO JUST, UM, IN THEIR LIVES.
IT WILL BE A SPOT FOR HEALTH AND WELLNESS.
SO COMMUNITY GARDENS ARE WELL KNOWN FOR THE HEALTH, THE HEALTH ATTRIBUTES THEY BRING TO THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO MENTAL HEALTH WELLNESS.
AND AS, UH, SOMEONE SAID TO ME TODAY, THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO DOWN THERE AND JUST PUT THEIR HANDS IN SOME SOIL.
AND WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT BOTH THE BENEFITS THIS COULD HAVE FOR NOT ONLY OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, BUT EVEN FOR EMPLOYEES HERE AT THE CITY OF CHANDLER WHO CAN GET DOWN THERE AND GET SOME, UH, WELLNESS DURING THE DAY.
IT'S ALSO A REALLY, IT'S THIS SITE, IF I DIDN'T SAY THIS ALREADY, IS AT THE END OF, UH, CHICAGO STREET HERE AND DAKOTA.
SO IT'S REALLY A, A POINT AS YOU'RE COMING INTO THE DOWNTOWN, PEOPLE PASS IT ON THEIR WAY TO DO DOWNTOWN ACTIVITIES.
AND WE THINK THAT'S A REALLY NICE HIGHLIGHT OF THIS SPOT.
WE WANT IT TO BE BEAUTIFUL, WE WANT IT TO BE INVITING, AND WE WANT IT TO BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN LEARN ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN THE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY.
SO WE ABSOLUTELY INTEND FOR IT TO BE A SPACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN LEARN ABOUT, UM, EVENTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT WILL ALSO REALLY BEAUTIFY THAT AREA AND, YOU KNOW, HELP WITH OUR CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.
ONE OF THE PRIMARY THINGS YOU'LL FIND WHEN I TALK ABOUT, UM, WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING IS THAT WE'RE BUILDING, HAVING A SHIPPING CONTAINER ON SITE.
AND THAT SHIPPING CONTAINER IS MEANT TO BE A PROGRAMMING SAFE.
SO IT'S A REALLY INNOVATIVE USE OF ONE OF THESE SHIPPING CONTAINERS WHERE WE CAN OPEN IT ALL UP AND WE CAN DO PROGRAMMING IN THERE.
SO, UM, IMAGINE US HAVING A CLASS, UH, MAYBE IT'S FOR SENIORS, MAYBE IT'S FOR YOUTH, WHATEVER IT IS, WE HAVE A SPACE.
AND CONNECTED TO THAT, THAT IS A SHADE STRUCTURE.
UM, SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT AS WELL.
AND WE CAN WORK ON THINGS LIKE, LIKE JOB SKILLS, LIKE NUTRITION EDUCATION.
I MEAN, YOU DREAM IT, WE CAN DO IT IN THAT SPACE.
AND WE'LL ALSO REALLY, THIS WILL REALLY BE A SPACE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO INVITE OUR PARTNERS.
SO WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH NONPROFITS.
WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO WORK WITH VOLUNTEER GROUPS.
THERE ARE ALREADY MANY VOLUNTEER GROUPS IN THE CHANDLER COMMUNITY THAT, UM, LIKE TO DO NOT ONLY, UM, GARDENING, BUT ALSO PLANTING.
WE HAVE CACTUS GARDENING PEOPLE.
WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO THIS WORK.
AND SO WE HA - WE REALLY, UM, INTEND ON BRINGING A BIG VOLUNTEER COMPONENT TO IT.
AND THEN JUST TO NOTE THAT, OF COURSE, THIS WILL BE SHAPED BY YOU AND BY OUR COMMUNITY.
SO FIRST, WE BUILD IT AND THEN WE PROGRAM IT.
SO WE WILL BE BACK TO YOU WITH ADDITIONAL IDEAS.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BUILD.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S GOING TO BE VERY, UM, UH, DURABLE.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE BUILDING VERY DURABLE BEDS.
UM, THEY WILL BE MADE OUT OF CMUS OR CONCRETE MASON- MASONRY UNITS.
UM, WE WILL HAVE WALLS, WE WILL HAVE SEATING, PAVERS.
YOU CAN JUST SEE SOME OF THE STU - THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE.
UM, THE LIGHTING WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO US AND THE, AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN TERMS OF LIKE SELF-WATERING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S FURNITURE, BUILT-IN FURNITURE THAT WILL BE ON THE SITE.
HERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT OUR BIDS.
WE DID PUT IT OUT, UM, AND WE HAD THREE BIDS AND WE SELECTED THE, THE LOWEST RESPONSIVE BIDDER.
THEY WERE ALL RESPONSIVE, BUT WE, THE LOWEST BIDDER WAS FOR 927,000, AND THAT IS WITH EDGE CONSTRUCTION.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT EVEN THE SECOND, UM, BIDDER THERE WAS WITHIN 5% OF THAT BID.
SO WE FEEL LIKE, UH, THE BID IS WITHIN THE MARKET.
HERE'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EXACTLY HOW THE BUDGET PANS OUT.
I KNOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT A BIG NUMBER, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO FATHOM WHERE ALL THE MONEY IS GOING, BUT YOU CAN SEE 25% OF IT IS GOING FOR OUR PROGRAMMING SPACE.
SO IT'S THAT SHIPPING CONTAINER, IT'S THE SHADE STRUCTURE ATTACHED TO IT, AND IT'S THE WATER TANK THAT WE NEED TO, UM, CATCH THE WATER THAT'S GOING OFF THE SHIPPING STRUCTURE AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
THEN THERE ARE THE BEDS THEMSELVES, THE SECURITY IN TERMS OF THE FENCING, THE LIGHTING, UM, THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE, AND THE LIST GOES ON.
BUT I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE, IT'S HELPFUL TO, TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAKDOWN THERE.
AND WE CAN ALSO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THIS CONTRACTOR ONCE WE, UH, AWARD THE CONTRACT TO FINE-TUNE IT A LITTLE BIT.
THAT, THE REST IS JUST THE MOTION THAT, UM, WILL BE IN FRONT OF YOU ON THURSDAY.
SO WITH THAT, I'D LOVE TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
WE HAVE THREE OF US THAT CALLED THIS IN.
WE'LL GO WITH US THREE FIRST AND THEN OPEN IT TO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I THINK WORKED WITH LEAH ONCE THE FIRST IDEA CAME TO DO A GARDEN THERE.
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I WAS PUTTING MY STICKY NOTES ON THE PROJECT SEVERAL YEARS AGO.I HAVE PARTICIPATED IN COMMUNITY GARDENS AND HELPED STAND ONE UP AT, AT MY CHURCH.
BUT I'VE, I'VE, I, I LOVE THIS UNTIL I SAW THE PRICE TAG.
AND WE HAVE DEVELOPING A BRAND NEW PARK THAT TO ME MEETS A LOT OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS IN OUR DOWNTOWN.
THIS IS A TWO, THREE-MINUTE WALK FROM OUR NEW TOP PARK, UH, THAT WE'RE JUST SPENDING AND FINISHING UP A LOT OF MONEY ON.
AND, AND LIVE LOVE DOES A LOT OF THESE SAME THINGS, WHICH IS A, A COUPLE MINUTE DRIVE.
AND I KNOW INITIALLY WE TALKED ABOUT CDGB FUNDING AND HOW WE NEEDED THIS WAS A GOOD USE FOR THAT, BUT I SINCE HEARD THAT WE'RE NOT AT RISK OF LOSING THAT MONEY, THAT, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO INTO THE, THIS FUNDS.
SO I, I JUST STRUGGLE WITH PUTTING, THOUGH I, I LOVE THE CONCEPT, I LOVE TO GARDEN, UH, I, YOU'VE PUT YOUR SOUL INTO THIS PROJECT AND I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THE NEIGHBORS, BUT I, TO ME, THAT'S A, A STEEP PRICE TAG TO PUT TO A PARK NEXT TO WHAT WILL BE OUR PREMIER PARK.
AND WHAT WERE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD USE THE CDGB FUNDING ON THAT WOULD GO TO THIS, IF YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT? YEAH.
THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE COULD, UM, USE THIS PARTICULAR CDBG FUNDS FOR ARE WE COULD PURCHASE CAPITAL EQUIPMENT.
SO FOR INSTANCE, SOME OF OUR NONPROFITS IN OUR COMMUNITY HAVE NEEDS.
UM, SOME NEED A NEW FREEZER FOR THE FOOD THAT THEY SERVE RESIDENTS.
SOME NEED, UM, A GENERATOR TO MAKE SURE, UM, THEIR FOOD DOESN'T SPOIL IN THE CASE, YOU KNOW, IN THE FACE OF A ELECTRICAL OUTAGE.
UM, AND, AND WHO KNOWS WHAT THE OTHERS MAY NEED.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD DO WITH THESE DOLLARS.
WE COULD PUT OUT A COMPETITIVE, UH, REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, RECEIVE BACK THOSE BIDS, GET INTO CONTRACT WITH FOLKS, AND, AND THEN OVERSEE THE PURCHASE OF THOSE GOODS.
THAT'S PROBABLY, UM, THE BEST THING THAT WE COULD DO WITH THESE PARTICULAR FUNDS WITH THIS PARTICULAR TIMING.
SO AGAIN, I, I LOVE THE PROJECT, BUT THE STICKER SHOCK JUST KIND OF IS OVERWHELMING TO ME IN THIS LOCATION.
UH, WE'LL SEE WHAT OTHER, WHAT ELSE COUNCIL WANTS TO SAY.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEN, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO? YEAH.
COULD WE JUST CLARIFY AND CONFIRM WHETHER THOSE DOLLARS ARE AT RISK OR NOT, OR IF A PORTION OF THOSE DOLLARS ARE AT RISK? UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCILMAN POSTON, ABSOLUTELY.
SO WE WILL BE HITTING A SECOND BENCHMARK OF, UM, NOT SPENDING THESE PARTICULAR DOLLARS IF WE DON'T GO INTO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
WE DON'T LOVE THAT, BUT WE WILL NOT LOSE FINANCIALLY, WILL NOT LOSE THESE FUNDS FINANCIALLY.
WE WOULD NOT P- POTENTIALLY, WE WOULD NOT LOSE THESE UNTIL ANOTHER BENCHMARK IS HIT.
UM, WHEN, WHEN AND IF WE, IF SOMETHING CHANGED AND WE WERE TO LOSE THEM, ABOUT 405,000 WOULD BE AT RISK.
THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT LOSS BECAUSE WE SPEND ABOUT A MILLION A YEAR ON ONGOING PROJECTS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT.
SO THAT WOULD BE A HIT THAT WE, WE WOULD NOT WANT TO TAKE.
UM, THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS IS THAT IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS PROJECT, I WOULD BE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH THE KINDS OF PROJECTS THAT I JUST TALKED TO.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE COULD LOWER THE PRICE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UM, AND GO FORWARD WITH IT.
SO I'D JUST BE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH THE KINDS OF PROJECTS THAT I TALKED ABOUT.
AND THEN, BUT THE, ALL OF THE DOLLARS FOR THIS PROJECT ARE CDBG MONEY, CORRECT? 100% OF THEM ARE CDBG.
SO THEN BEING FEDERAL MONEY, NOT COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND OR THE CITY OF CHANDLER TAXPAYER'S POCKET.
THEY'RE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY PURPOSED TO INVEST IN LOW AND MODERATE INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THEN ONE FINAL QUESTION, AND BECAUSE I HAD ASKED THIS BEFORE AND REALIZED, UH - YEAH.
I, WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT ALL OF THE CEMENT AND THE METAL AND ALL OF THIS, IT JUST LOOKS HOT.
IT LOOKS HOT AROUND YOUR PLANTS, AND IT LOOKS A LITTLE INFLEXIBLE - YES.
IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO ADJUST WHAT, WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE OF THAT AS WELL.
YEAH, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCILMAN POSTON.
SO YOU PERKED MY INTEREST WHEN YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION, AND SO I WENT DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE, AND AS IT TURNS OUT, UM, CMUS ARE ACTUALLY PERFECT FOR THIS.
UM, SOME PLANTS, AND I KNOW THE PLANTS, I KNOW THE LIST NOW, LOVE THE ACIDITY, LOVE THE NON-ACIDITY AND SOME PLANTS YOU HAVE TO PUT SOME LINER ON IF, BECAUSE THEY DON'T LOVE ACIDITY, UM, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY PERFECT USE FOR THIS.
BACK IN THE DAY, SO HERE'S WHERE THE MYTH COMES FROM, UM, THERE WAS ACTUALLY CINDER IN CINDER BLOCKS.
THERE IS NOT ANYMORE, AND SO THERE'S NO LEAKAGE TO THE PLANTS.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY, IT'S ACTUALLY A PERFECT - OKAY.
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THANK YOU, MAYOR.UM, THE, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, MAYOR, UH, ANSWERED, UH, ASKED A FEW OF THEM AND SO DID COUNCILMAN POSTON, THE ONGOING COST, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? YES.
UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR, UH, COUNCILMAN ORLANDO, WE BELIEVE, AND I HAVE KIM HERE, HERE SHE IS, UH, WITH ME TODAY.
WE, WE BELIEVE WE CAN REALLY PRETTY MUCH ABSORB THE ONGOING COST.
UM, ONE, IN THE PROGRAMS AREA, UM, IN NEIGHBORHOOD RESOURCES TO DO THE PROGRAMMING, UM, AND TWO, UH, THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF COST, AND KIM CAN SPEAK TO THAT, UM, IN HOW DOWNTOWN IS TAKEN CARE OF.
THIS, THIS PLOT WOULD BE ADDED TO THE DOWNTOWN CIRCULATION TO MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT IT EVERY MORNING, MAKE SURE NOTHING'S GOING WRONG, MAKE SURE IT'S GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF MAINTENANCE, MAKE SURE PLANTS ARE GETTING REPLACED ON A REGULAR SCHEDULE, LIKE, NOT THE GARDEN PLANTS, BUT THE, THE ACTUAL LANDSCAPING, UM, SO THAT IT REMAINS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO BE.
AND WHO TAKES CARE OF THE GARDENING OF THE PLANTS? THE GAR - THE ACTUAL GARDEN BEDS WILL BE WITHIN THE PROGRAMS AREA.
SO WE MIGHT, UM, WE MIGHT HIRE SOMEBODY THAT CAN TEACH US HOW TO DO THE GARDENS.
WE MIGHT DO, YOU KNOW, A GARDEN OF THIS AT THIS SEASON AND HAVE SOME EDUCATION AND LEARNING AROUND IT AND THEN LET IT GO FOR, AND IN THE SUMMER SEASON, MAYBE WE'RE DOING CACTUS.
IT COULD BE A NUMBER OF THINGS.
UM, WE'VE TOSSED AROUND WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED A PROFESSIONAL GARDENER.
WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO FIND THE RIGHT VOLUNTEERS FOR THIS.
THE OTHER THING IS THERE'S MANY GRANTS, UM, THAT CAN BE SOUGHT FOR THIS AND WE'RE REALLY GOOD AT GETTING THOSE.
SO WE'LL PUT OUR, PUT OUR BEST WORK TO THAT.
SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR COST TO THIS.
SO, AND JUST HYPOTHETICALLY, DON'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, WOULD THAT BE A GOOD SPOT, UH, LEAH, FOR, UM, HOUSING? THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, IT IS IN THE AREA WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THE PILOT PROJECT.
UM, THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IS THE SAME WITH THE OTHER PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE STILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE LAND TRUST PIECE OF THIS AND HOW TO BE ABLE TO GET THOSE PROPERTIES INTO A LAND TRUST.
SO IT WOULD BE ONE MORE IN THE PORTFOLIO THAT WE NEED TO BE, BE ABLE TO FIGURE THAT PIECE OF IT OUT.
UM, WORKING WITH OUR LAW DEPARTMENT, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN USE THESE PROPERTIES AS THEY ARE OR IF WE'RE GONNA NEED TO HAVE OTHER FUNDS LIKE FEDERAL FUNDS THAT BASICALLY PURCHASE THEM FROM THE CITY.
SO THAT'S THE PIECE, THE POINT WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT COULD BE BIG ENOUGH FOR A, A, A DUPLEX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY PUT IN SOME, UM, UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING.
THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, YES.
IT WOULD FIT SOME OF THE, THE SMALLER HOUSING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THE MISSING METAL.
MY QUESTION TO YOU, I WAS THERE IN 2023 WHEN WE STARTED THIS AND THINKING ABOUT, WE WENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, 500 PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED INTO THIS, ASKING AND TELLING US WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE IMMEDIATELY AROUND WHERE THEY LIVE.
ONE OF THE PROBLEM I THINK WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH THIS SITE, HAVING ALSO LIVED IN ANDERSON SPRING AT ONE TIME, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD PROBLEM WITH CATS IN THAT AREA.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, PEOPLE THROWING THINGS.
UH, WE HAVE HAD TO REALLY ASK YOU GUYS TO PUT DUMPSTERS IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IF PEOPLE WANT TO THROW THINGS AWAY, THEY WILL THROW IT THERE.
I HAD A FRIEND, HER NAME IS DENISE.
SHE WAS THE ONE WHO STARTED WITH THIS PROJECT.
AND I THINK THE REASON WHY IT NEVER TOOK IS BECAUSE WE RELAYED ONLY ON VOLUNTEERS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
IT CAN BE WHAT WE ENVISION IT TO BE, BUT WE HAVE TO PUT THE PROGRAM THAT THE CITY HAS.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHY IS IT THAT WE CAN'T SOLELY LEAVE THIS PIECE OF LAND SITTING THERE RIGHT NOW WAITING FOR TRUST, WAITING FOR OTHER THINGS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, WE WILL HAVE TO INVEST SOMETHING IN THERE TO MAKE IT A PLACE WHERE IT'S NOT BECOMING A BLIGHT FOR THE CITY.
UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCILWOMAN ELLIS, UM, SO IT IS A POLICY DECISION.
IS IT UP, IT IS UP TO YOU WHAT, WHAT WE DO WITH THIS PROPERTY.
UH, THE CDBG THAT'S AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW IS A GOOD USE FOR WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED ON THIS SITE.
THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT YOU CAN'T DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT IN THE FUTURE.
THIS IS TO SAY I CANNOT USE THE CDBG THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW TO INVEST IN THE, UM, HOUSING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
WE DID LOOK AT THAT OPTION THINKING THAT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD OPTION AS WELL, AND WE CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE OF CDBG REGULATIONS.
AND, UM, CURRENTLY CDBG C- CAN'T REALLY BE USED FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEW ROAD TO HOUSING ACT THAT IT MAY BE MORE PLAUSIBLE TO USE CDBG FOR THOSE PURPOSES AND THAT THERE'LL BE SOME RULEMAKING THAT WILL HELP WITH THE TIMELINES BECAUSE TIMELINES WITH CDBG IS A LOT OF THE ISSUE.
SO THAT'S POTENTIALLY A FUTURE, BUT NOT WHAT WE COULD USE THE CDBG FOR NOW.
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SO WITH THOSE DOLLARS, I KNOW THAT WHEN WE DON'T SPEND THEM, WE GET, UM, POINTS OFF OR WE GET LOOKED AT LIKE WE DON'T REALLY NEED THEM.WHY ARE WE RECEIVING THEM AND FOR THE FUTURE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE DOING? IN THE PAST, HAVE WE LOST MONEY LIKE THAT BEFORE WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO DO PROJECT THAT NEVER WENT THROUGH AND THEN NOW WE END UP NOT GETTING MORE MONEY IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T USE THE MONEY THAT WE GOT? YEAH.
THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCILWOMAN ELLIS, UM, WE FORTUNATELY HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THIS POSITION BEFORE.
UM, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT, THAT WE'VE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR HUD REPRESENTATIVE WAS ACTUALLY REALLY SURPRISED THAT WE WERE IN THIS POSITION, BUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT HAS TAKEN A VERY LONG TIME.
THERE WERE SOME NEW REGULATIONS THAT CAME ALONG IN THE MIDST OF THIS PROJECT AROUND THE PURCHASE OF STEEL AND, AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS THAT KIND OF SLOWED US DOWN.
THE OTHER THING THAT REALLY HAPPENED FOR US DURING THIS PROJECT IS, UM, THE BIDS, THE, THE BIDS WERE RAISING QUICKLY AND WE TOOK A LOT OF TIME TO TRY TO REDUCE THE COST OF THE PROJECT, UM, AND THAT KIND OF TOOK SOME OF OUR TIME ON THE FUNDS THAT ARE AT HAND.
SO WE DO HAVE SOME FUNDS AT HAND THAT DO NEED TO BE SPENT NOW.
WE CAN MISS A SECOND BENCHMARK.
WE WERE, MISSED OUR FIRST ONE.
WE CAN MISS ANOTHER ONE AND STILL NOT BE FINANCIALLY PENALIZED.
WE, WE HATE TO BE IN THAT POSITION, BUT IT IS, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT AND WE CAN SPEND OUR MONEY ON OTHER THINGS, BUT IT WILL STILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE FOR THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA.
IT COULD BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS.
AND CURRENTLY THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY BELONG TO THE CITY? IT DOES, YES.
AND WE DO PLAN ON ADDRESSING THE CAROL, FERAL CAT ISSUE.
BY, BY DOING THAT AND PUTTING IT THERE.
AND I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT AREA WHO WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT.
UH, I HEARD THE MAYOR WHEN HE SAYS THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER PARK RIGHT THERE, BUT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE RIGHT AROUND THAT AREA, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY WILL REALLY BE ABLE NOT TO USE THAT PLACE BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM.
THEIR KIDS CAN JUST WALK OVER OR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
I DO THINK IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT AUDIENCE THAN THE AUDIENCE THAT WILL BE UTILIZING THE DOWNTOWN AMENITIES.
UM, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
UM, RYAN, IN SPEAKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA AND STUFF, OVER, OBVIOUSLY OVER THE YEARS THEY SAY THAT THEY'VE SEEN THIS AREA, THIS CORNER, JUST WITH THE VOLUNTEERING GOING DOWN AND THE GARDENING ASPECT OF IT, THEY'VE SEEN THIS AREA BECOME A LITTLE BIT OF ABANDONED AND DESOLATE OVER TIME OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS.
AND SO IN SPEAKING WITH THEM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY VERY EXCITED TO SEE WHAT IS COMING FORWARD AND SEEING THESE NEW IMPROVEMENTS TO COME HERE.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, AS FAR AS LIKE THE PROGRAMMING, HOW OFTEN ARE WE GONNA BE GOING IN THERE? HOW MANY VOLUNTEERS DO WE EXPECT? AND, UM, A LITTLE BIT TOUCHING BASE ON THE MAINTENANCE AS WELL.
UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR ENCINAS.
UH, THAT, AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT TO COME IN TERMS OF WANTING TO BRING BACK TO YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, AFTER CONSTRUCTION OR DURING CONSTRUCTION, BRING BACK TO YOU A MORE FINALIZED PLAN.
BUT SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IS NUMBER ONE, UM, IN TERMS OF FOOD, GROWING, TEACHING PEOPLE HOW TO GROW FOOD.
THIS CAN BE SENIORS, THIS CAN BE PE - UH, YOUTH AT RISK.
NOT ONLY ARE WE TEACHING THEM HOW TO GROW FOOD, BUT ALSO WHAT NUTRITION MEANS, UM, HOW TO EAT MORE HEALTHY, HOW TO GET OUTSIDE AND, AND BE ACTIVE.
UM, WE CAN ALSO TAKE THAT PROGRAMMING, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE GARDEN.
WE CAN TAKE IT INTO THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
WE CAN DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS WITH THE EDUCATIONAL PIECE.
IT'S ALSO, I THINK, UH, A GREAT PLACE FOR IT TO BE A CENTER FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND WELLNESS.
UM, I THINK WE CAN DO WHAT I'VE BEEN LAUGHED AT, BUT YOGA IN THE PARK AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS, UM, IN THIS BEAUTIFUL SPACE.
UM, WE CAN DO, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, UH, A LOT TO BE SAID ABOUT SENSORY EDUCATION FOR PEOPLE WITH SENSORY NEEDS IN A COMMUNITY GARDEN IN A SPACE THAT HAS, UM, THE SOUND OF WATER AND HAS SOIL AND ALL OF THESE THINGS.
A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN DO POTENTIALLY, UM, WITH OUR AGE-FRIENDLY DESIGNATION AND OUR AUTISM DESIGNATIONS, A LOT OF, UM, COLLABORATION WE CAN DO THERE.
UM, WE ALSO SEE IT AS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, A BRIGHT SPOT FOR THE COMMUNITY, A LUSH AREA.
SO AS PEOPLE DRIVE THROUGH, THAT IS A BIG PLUS.
WE CAN DO SOME SKILL BUILDING.
WAS THERE ANY PROGRAMMING YOU WERE SPECIFICALLY - I WAS MAINLY JUST WANTING TO KNOW HOW, LIKE, CONSISTENT THE PROGRAMMING WAS GONNA BE - OH.
JUST BECAUSE HEARING FROM THE NEIGHBORS - YES.
AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME TYPE OF MAINTENANCE OR ONGOING MAINTENANCE ALONG WITH - YEAH.
UH, THE DOWNTOWN GROUP, JUST BECAUSE THE UPKEEP, YOU KNOW, NOT ALL THE RESIDENTS WOULD BE ABLE TO BE THERE AT ALL TIMES.
SO MAKING SURE THAT THIS SPACE IS GONNA REMAIN BEAUTIFUL AND INTACT AND, UM, BE A PLACE THAT EVERYONE CAN GO AND VISIT WITH THAT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
I SORT OF MISSED, MISSED THAT.
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UM, SO VICE MAYOR, THE INTENT IS T- THAT THIS WILL BE A BRAND NEW PROGRAM OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PROGRAMS TEAM.AND IF YOU KNOW OUR STAFF AND THAT TEAM LED BY PRISCILLA QUINTANA, UH, SHE IS, SHE WILL MAKE IT AMAZING.
SHE IS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CREATIVE BEHIND GOLDEN NEIGHBORS.
I SEE THIS BEING NOTHING SHORT OF ANOTHER INCREDIBLE PROGRAM THAT SHE'S GOING TO HAVE.
UM, WE HAVE REORGANIZED A LITTLE BIT IN THAT AREA TO ADD MORE STAFFING TO THE EVENTS AND, AND PROGRAMMING PIECE.
SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO THERE, AND THAT WILL BE A MAJOR AREA OF, UM, CONCENTRATION FOR THEM, NOT ONLY TO GET IT UP AND RUNNING, BUT ALSO TO MAINTAIN IT OVER TIME.
AND THEN, BUT ALSO, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT IT'S JUST OUR STAFF PUTTING ALL THE EFFORT INTO IT.
THEY WILL BE THE COORDINATING BODY AND THEY WILL BRING GRANTS TO BEAR AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THEY WILL BE ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE REALLY GREAT AT, TO BRING NONPROFITS ON A CONSISTENT BASIS, TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ON A CONSISTENT BASIS, TO WORK WITH THE FOOD BANKS CONSISTENTLY, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, ONE-OFFS HERE AND THERE.
AND I'M ALSO EXCITED ABOUT BRINGING THAT PROGRAM ONLINE SO THAT EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY CAN SEE ALL THAT HAS TO OFFER.
YOU CAN LEARN HOW TO DO THAT IN YOUR OWN HOME SPACE.
YOU CAN LEARN HOW TO DO THAT IN SCHOOL.
UM, SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT WHAT THE PROGRAM BRINGS ASIDE FROM JUST THIS PARTICULAR SPACE.
SHE, UM, CAN SPEAK MUCH MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN I CAN TO HOW THE DOWNTOWN MAINTENANCE FITS IN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM HER.
YEAH, JUST THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT.
MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, UM, WE DO HAVE SEAN WHO JUST CELEBRATED HIS 20TH.
UM, ONE OF HIS VERY FIRST JOBS THAT HE DOES WHEN HE COMES IN IN THE MORNING IS HE GETS ON HIS GOLF CART AND HE GOES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN AND REALLY DOES THE SPOT CHECKING, MAKING SURE IS THERE ANY GRAFFITI THAT NEEDS TO BE CALLED IN? IS THERE TRASH THAT NEEDS TO BE PICKED UP? IF THERE'S AN ISSUE GOING ON, HE ADDRESSES IT IMMEDIATELY.
SO FIRST THING, EVERY MORNING, UM, THERE WILL BE A TOUCH BASE TO THAT, UM, TO THE COMMUNITY GARDEN.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE DO HAVE A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN, AND IT WOULD BE OUR INTENT THAT WE WOULD JUST ADD THIS ONTO OUR CONTRACT.
WE THINK IT'LL BE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $250 A MONTH ADDING ON.
SO ABOUT $3,000 A YEAR, NOT BAD FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF IT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE MORE WE CAN PROGRAM IT, THE BETTER IT'S GOING TO BE.
UH, THE MORE THAT WE CAN BE IN THERE HELPING KEEPING IT CLEANED UP, BUT THE MORE IT'S ACTIVATED AND USED, UH, THE BETTER THE PLANTS WILL BE.
THEY'LL LOOK NICE SO WE CAN SEE IF SOMETHING'S HAPPENING, IF THERE'S A, A SPIGOT THAT'S NOT WORKING CORRECTLY OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
UH, THE MORE EYES ON THIS GARDEN ON A DAILY BASIS, THE BETTER IT WILL BE, UM, AND I THINK THE MORE SUCCESSFUL IT CAN BE.
AND THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR JUST BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY WHEN IT WAS AT GARDEN, IT WAS MORE VOLUNTEER BASED AND WE OBVIOUSLY WANNA GET OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGED AND BE THERE AND THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE IN PART OF THAT ASPECT AS WELL TOO.
BUT HEARING THESE ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS GONNA MAKE IT EVEN MORE SUCCESSFUL AND VERY MUCH LONG-TERM.
AND, UM, TO MAYOR'S POINT, I DO UNDERSTAND THIS, THIS PRICE POINT, THIS, YOU KNOW, PER SQUARE FOOT OF THIS IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
BUT I BELIEVE WITH THE AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN, WHICH IS GONNA BE WATER, LIGHTING, FENCING, UM, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? UH, THE PROGRAMMING THAT'S GONNA BE THERE, IT'S ALSO GONNA CONTRIBUTE TO THE TOTAL REVITALIZATION THAT WE'RE DOING IN DOWNTOWN CHANDLER, INCLUDING OUR AJ CHANDLER PARK.
WE'RE INVESTING SO MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER HERE, YET NOT OVER HERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND IT.
AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, THIS SPACE AND, AND, AND THIS CORNER LOT IS VERY UNIQUE BECAUSE IT'S DIRECTLY INTERTWINED WITH DOWNTOWN CHANDLER.
AND FOR DECADES, THESE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN VERY ACCOMMODATING TO THE BUSINESS GROWTH, THE TRAFFIC, THE DENSITY THAT'S COME INTO HERE, THE ENTERTAINMENT AND EVERYTHING.
SO THEY HAVE A ONE-ON-ONE RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS AREA, AND, UM, I THINK THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS SPACE, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S ABOUT THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES, IT'S ABOUT OUR CITY HALL AROUND HERE AS WELL, IS INVITING THE, THE TOURISTS THAT VISIT HERE TO, TO VISIT CHANDLER, UH, THE BUSINESSES THAT CONTINUE TO GROW, THE RESIDENTS THAT COME TO DOWNTOWN CHANDLER, UM, WHETHER IT'S FOR ITS FARMER'S MARKET OR ONE OF OUR EVENTS OR HAVING A DINNER, THIS IS ONE OF THE MAIN CORRIDORS THAT ARE LEADING AND EXITING, UM, OUR DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO WE WANT THAT IMPRESSION TO BE PUT ACROSS THE, THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN AREA, UM, FOR A GREAT COHESIVE EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYONE IN CHANDLER, FOR ME.
I LIKE THE PROGRAMMING THAT WE'RE INCORPORATING FOR THIS SPACE, UM, FROM THE GARDENING TO THE WELLNESS AND THE RETREAT STYLE ATMOSPHERE.
UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THIS SPACE TO BE KIND OF AN INFORMATION POINT, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS.
WE HAVE SO MANY RUNNERS AND WALKERS, DOG WALKERS, THERE'S A S - A SCHOOL BUS STOP RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN HAVE, LIKE, AN INFORMATIONAL KIOSK, WHETHER IT'S HIGHLIGHTING COMMUNITY EVENTS, BUSINESS EVENTS, OR ANYTHING THAT'S THERE, UM, FOR OUR VISITORS? VICE MAYOR, THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE DESIGN CONCEPT THAT WE WILL BE DOING THAT OH, I THOUGH THAT WAS A BOOKCASE.
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YEAH.AND I DID HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FROM, UM, RESIDENTS.
IS THIS GONNA BE A 24 HOUR ACCESS, LIKE WITH THE LIGHTING AVAILABILITY AND ACCESS TO IT? HOW IS THAT COMPONENT GONNA, UH, POTENTIALLY WORK? UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR AND UNI.
SO WE DO HAVE, UM, IN THE PLANS A SECURE GATE THAT HAS A CODE.
SO THAT WILL THEN BE UP TO US.
UM, AND EVERYTHING'S ON A TIMER, YES, THE LIGHTING, THE WATERING, ALL THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE GET TO DECIDE, UH, WHAT THE HOURS OF IT ARE.
I DO NOT THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 24 HOUR ACCESS TO THIS GARDEN.
UM, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO LIMIT THE HOURS, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOT SPECIFIC YET ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
ALL RIGHT, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.
LIKE I SAID, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY EXCITED AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT AREA.
SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS PRESENTATION.
I GUESS ONE MORE THING BEFORE WE MEET ON THURSDAY.
UM, I WOULD LIKE A REALISTIC, YOU'VE MENTIONED MAINTENANCE OF 250 A MONTH, 3,000 A YEAR, BUT I OBVIOUSLY BELIEVE SINCE THIS IS NOT VOLUNTEER RUN, BECAUSE WE'VE TRIED THAT, THAT, UH, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF OTHER COSTS.
SO BEFORE THURSDAY, I WOULD LIKE, UH, ON OUR DESKS, UH, OR AN EMAIL, A REALISTIC IDEA OF WHAT'S NOT JUST THE ONE-TIME COST, BUT THE ONGOING COST OF THIS.
YOU COULD, CAN YOU PUT THAT TOGETHER FOR US? ABSOLUTELY.
AND, AND AGAIN, SO THIS MONEY IS NOT LOST.
YOU'D MENTIONED THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF 4,000 OR 400,000, BUT THAT'S NOT LOST.
I DON'T THINK THAT WILL BE LOST, MAYOR.
SO THIS IS JUST WHAT DO WE WANNA DO WITH THE CDGB MONEY AT THIS POINT? THAT'S RIGHT.
IS THIS THE BEST USE THAT COUNCIL DECIDES? OKAY.
NEXT ONE, UH, THAT WAS PROLONGED.
[6. Introduction and Tentative Adoption of Ordinance No. 5189 - Rezoning and Preliminary Development Plan, The Station at Park Place Rezoning Move City Council introduce and tentatively adopt Ordinance No. 5189 approving PLH26-0012 The Station at Park Place, amending the existing Planned Area Development (PAD) zoning to allow multi-family residential as part of a mixed-use development, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning and Zoning Commission. Preliminary Development Plan Move City Council approve Preliminary Development Plan PLH26-0012 The Station at Park Place for site layout and building architecture, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning and Zoning Commission. Council Focus Area(s):]
IS ITEM NUMBER SIX, INTRODUCTION AND TENTATIVE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 5189 REZONING AND PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE STATION AT PARK PLACE.I REALLY JUST, I, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEM, UH, WITH MR. ALLRED AND MR. HAYES.
AND I REALLY WANTED JUST TO MAKE SURE, UH, COUNCIL NOTED THAT, UH, WE ADDED A SKIP TO THIS THAT GUARANTEED THAT THE, THE COMMERCIAL LAND WOULD REMAIN COMMERCIAL.
THIS WOULD NOT BE AN ENCROACH OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL, BUT FOR THE SAKE, BECAUSE, UH, THIS IS KIND OF NEW FOR US, WE'D LOVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION AS WELL.
SO ITEM SIX BEFORE YOU, PLH2612, THE STATION AT PARK PLACE.
UH, IF YOU WOULD'VE TOLD ME 14 PLUS YEARS AGO WHEN I STARTED HERE THAT I WOULD BE TAKING A RESIDENTIAL, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT ON PRICE ROAD, I WOULD'VE THOUGH YOU WERE CRAZY.
SO THE SUBJECT SITE IS, UH, 17.7 ACRES LARGE AND IT IS AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SANTAN, UH, 202 FREEWAY AND PRICE ROAD.
UH, THE SURROUNDING LAND USES, UH, IT BUTTS THE FREEWAY TO THE NORTH.
UH, THERE'S A HOTEL ON EITHER SIDE ON THE WEST AND ON THE EAST, AND SOME EXISTING COMMERCIAL TO THE, UH, SOUTHWEST OF IT.
A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY BEFORE I GET INTO THE REQUEST.
UH, THE SUBJECT SITE HAS BEEN PART OF A LARGE MASTER CAMPUS SINCE 1989.
UH, IT'S BEEN CALLED A, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF, UM, GATEWAY, UH, SPECTRUM, BUT OF MOST RECENTLY, ALLRED PARK PLACE, WHICH ENCOMPASSES 180 ACRES.
IN 2014, UH, THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING.
SO IT'S ZONED PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT FOR A BUSINESS PARK AND ALLOWS FOR OFFICE, HOTEL, CONFERENCE CENTER AND RETAIL USES AND ALLOWS, UH, THERE WAS A MID-RISE OVERLAY APPROVED ALLOWING FOR BUILDING HEIGHTS UP TO 150 FEET.
UH, THE PA - THE, UH, ALL RED PARK PLACE IS ABOUT 90% COMPLETE.
THERE'S ONLY A FEW REMAINING PROPERTIES OF THIS, UH, LARGE BUSINESS PARK.
WITHIN IT, THERE'S 1.8 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF CLASS A OFFICE SPACE, 760 HOTEL ROOMS, 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF A CONFERENCE CENTER TIED TO A HOTEL, AND THEN 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF EXISTING RETAIL.
THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS TO AMEND THE ZONING TO ALLOW FOR, UH, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL WITHIN A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
ALONG WITH THIS REQUEST, THERE'S
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A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT SHOWS SITE LAYOUT AND BUILDING ARCHITECTURE FOR THE PROPOSED USES.UH, TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE SITE, UH, THERE WILL BE TWO, TWO PHASES OF, OF RESIDENTIAL.
UH, BETWEEN THE TWO, THERE'S GONNA BE A TOTAL OF 669 RESIDENTIAL UNITS ADDED TO THE ALLRED PARK PLACE CAMPUS.
UH, THE FIRST, UH, RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY WILL BE SURFACE PARKED, UH, FOUR STORIES AND WILL CONTAIN 313 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UH, EQUATING TO 43 UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE GROUND COMMERCIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, ABOUT 6,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE SECOND DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE THE RESIDENTIAL WRAP.
IT'S GOING TO BE FIVE, FIVE STORIES, SIX STORIES FOR THE PARKING GARAGE UP TO 75 FEET.
UH, 356 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WILL BE ADDED ACQUAINTING TO 77.4 UNITS PER ACRE.
AND THEY ARE ALSO PROVIDING COMMERCIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF, OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AS PART OF THIS REQUEST, THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL THAT WOULD BE PART OF THIS.
UH, SO IF YOU SEE WE HAVE FOUR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING ADDED, UH, THE INLINE SHOPS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE WAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL, THE STOREFRONTS WILL BE FACING THE RESIDENTIAL.
UM, AND THEN THE TWO FREESTANDING PADS ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE A RESTAURANT, UH, BUT NO USER HAS BEEN DETERMINED AS OF TODAY.
UM, SO EARLIER THIS YEAR IN JULY, THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY RATIFIED THE CHANDLER 2026 GENERAL PLAN.
UH, WITHIN THAT GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, THERE WAS A POLICY ADDED TO OUR SOUTH PRICE ROAD CORRIDOR GROWTH AREA.
HISTORICALLY, THIS GROWTH AREA HAS BEEN, UH, RESERVED FOR HIGH-TECH, UH, ADVANCED, UH, UH, BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTIAL WAS NEVER CONSIDERED.
BUT UNDER THE, THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, THERE WAS A POLICY ADDED TO THIS GROWTH AREA, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF URBAN RESIDENTIAL, MEANING IT HAD TO BE 26 UNITS OR HIGHER WITH VERTICAL INTEGRATED SUPPORTED NON-RESIDENTIAL USES WHEN ANCILLARY TO A LARGER EMPLOYMENT CAMPUS.
UH, WE WORKED WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND DEVELOPER TO, UH, ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE USES WERE MIXED USE, UH, AS WELL AS REALLY CREATING A SENSE OF PLACE THROUGH A COMMON THEME.
SO THEY WERE ABLE TO TAKE, UH, ELEMENTS FROM THE EXISTING ALL-RED PARK PLACE AND CARRY IT OVER INTO THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
UH, THERE'S ALSO PEDESTRIAN CONNECT - UH, CONNECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
UH, ONE COULD LIVE AT THIS PROPERTY AND WALK ALL THE WAY TO THEIR OFFICE ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILE AWAY, NOT HAVING TO UTILIZE, UH, SH - UH, SIDEWALKS ADJACENT TO THE STREET, BUT THERE'S INTERNAL PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND WITH THAT, STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICY.
TO GIVE YOU SOME MORE IMAGES, UH, THESE ARE THE TWO RESIDENTIAL, THE TOP BEING THE SURFACE WRAPPED, OR THE SURFACE PARKED, AND THE BOTTOM BEING THE GARAGE WRAP DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEY'VE USED, UH, A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS, METAL, UH, TO REALLY, UH, PLAY ON THAT, UH, INNOVATIVE CAMPUS-LIKE SETTING.
UH, HERE'S A RENDERING OF THE COMMERCIAL.
UH, THEY CREATE OPEN SPACES IN BETWEEN AND AREAS OF GATHERING.
AND THEN JUST THE HARDSCAPE THAT THEY USE THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT CARRIES THE THEME THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED THERE, BUT ALSO CREATING A SENSE OF PLACE, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES OF THE AREA.
UH, PUBLIC NOTIFICATION, THERE WAS NO RESIDENTIAL WITHIN 600 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD NOTICE WENT OUT IN LIEU OF A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
UH, PLANNING STAFF IS, UH, AWARE OF NO CONCERNS OR OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST.
UH, WE DO HAVE SOME, UH, REZONING CONDITIONS ON THERE STATING THAT IT'S THE SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET.
UH, IT CAPS THE DENSITY TO 80, UH, UNITS PER ACRE, AND IT ESTABLISHES MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF, UH, COMMERCIAL FOR THOSE GROUND FLOOR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS AND THE USES THAT COULD OCCUR WITHIN IT.
THIS DID GO BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 21ST.
UH, THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF APPROVAL, SEVEN TO ZERO.
AND WITH THAT, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE YOU IS, UH, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS IT'S, UH, IN CONFORMANCE
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WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE GOALS OF THE SOUTH PRICE ROAD CORRIDOR GROWTH AREA.UH, IT'S A COMPATIBLE LAND USE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THE, THE OVERALL ALLRED PARK PLACE.
AND WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, UH, AMENDING THE ZONING TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL WITH A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH STIPULATIONS.
WITH THAT, I OPEN THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS.
AND, UM, AGAIN, MY, A- AS I MET WITH, UH, MR. ALLRED, I, I DID WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT ALTHOUGH WE'VE GOT 180 ACRES OF OFFICE AND DEVELOPMENT THAT IS WELL USED, THIS WILL CERTAINLY BRING PEOPLE TO ALSO ENLIVEN THAT OFFICE SPACE, SO WORKERS CLOSE TO THERE.
AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME GREAT IDEAS OF WHAT COULD GO IN THOSE OFFICE SPACES, BUT I, WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME IS THAT, UH, THAT FRONT PART DOES TURN INTO SOMETHING THAT WILL BE EXCITING, THAT WILL DRAW ALL OF CHANDLER IN.
AND, UM, I'M, I'M GRATEFUL THAT WE'RE FINISHING UP THIS PROJECT, MR. ALLRED.
I KNOW YOU'RE EVEN MORE GRATEFUL TO, UH, TO, UH, FINISH THIS UP.
BUT AGAIN, I, I REALLY JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT STIP WAS IN PLACE AND THAT WE CAN PROCEED WITH THIS.
THIS WAS NOT PART OF OUR PLAN UNTIL WE, UH, ADJUSTED THE GENERAL PLAN, AND THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S KIND OF TUCKED IN, NOT, UH, REALLY, UH, THE MOST ACCESSIBLE BEHIND THE HOTELS AND ALL THE OFFICE SPACE.
SO I, I DO SUPPORT IT, BUT I DID WANNA SEE A PRESENTATION.
MAYOR? COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS.
I DIDN'T, UH - TURN YOUR MIC ON.
I, I, I HATE TO BRING UP QUESTIONS.
UM, I WAS, UH, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO MR. ALLRED DIRECTLY.
UM, I TALKED TO ONE OF HIS REPRESENTATIVES.
I DO HATE TO BRING QUESTIONS UP LIKE THIS AT THE TIME THAT THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN.
I DO HAVE ONE MAJOR QUESTION AND CONCERN, UM, AND IT HAS TO DO DIRECTLY WITH THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE ONE OF OUR, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, OFTENTIMES WE DEAL WITH COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT NOISE.
THIS IS A VERY INDUSTRIAL AREA.
IT, IT, IT WAS SET ASIDE FOR EMPLOYMENT.
UH, I DON'T WANNA HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE RESIDENTS THAT DECIDES TO MOVE IN, KNOWING THAT THIS IS BASICALLY AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE.
AND WHEN NEW BUSINESSES KINDA COME IN, I DON'T WANT FUTURE COUNCILS, UM, HAVING ISSUES WITH RESIDENTS, UM, THAT MOVES INTO THIS COMMUNITY, AND NOW THEY'RE WITHIN THAT 600 FEET, UH, NOTION, AND NOW WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS BECAUSE THE, THE ORDINANCE OR THE LAW SAYS THAT THEY CAN LIFT UP A COMPLAINT ABOUT ANY NEW BUSINESS THAT MOVES.
SO I'M, I'M KINDA CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, AND I'M THINKING FUTURISTICALLY, HOW DO WE SHIELD OURSELVES FROM FUTURE COMPLAINTS THAT COULD COME OR FUTURE S - GROWTH STOPPAGE AFTER A RESIDENT MOVES IN? I JUST KINDA HAVE THAT CONCERN.
IT DOESN'T, UH, IF THEY CAN JUST GET BACK WITH ME BEFORE THURSDAY, OR WE CAN MEET BEFORE THEN TO HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
I THINK THIS IS A IMPROMPTU QUESTION, AND I, I, I DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO VET THAT QUESTION ALL THE WAY THROUGH THROUGH THE TEAM, SO THEY CAN JUST GET BACK WITH ME ON IT.
I DON'T NEED THE ANSWER RIGHT NOW, BUT IF YOU CAN GET BACK WITH ME ON IT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT BEFORE THURSDAY'S VOTE.
LAUREN, I MEAN, THIS IS RENTAL, NOT OWNERSHIP, WHICH IS SOME PEOPLE'S EFFECT, AND IT'S SURROUNDED BY OFFICE, RIGHT? NORTHROP GRUMMAN IS QUITE A BIT AWAY.
THROUGH, THROUGH THE MAYOR, UH, YOU'RE CORRECT.
UH, A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY.
A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTIES, UH, ALREADY DEVELOPED AROUND IT, UH, AND IT'S A MAJORITY EITHER HOTEL ON EITHER SIDE, SOME COMMERCIAL, AND THEN ALL OFFICES, UH, IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
SO IT'S PROBABLY MORE FREEWAY NOISE THAN ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, A QUESTION, BUT PEOPLE WOULD KNOW THAT WHEN THEY MOVE IN THERE.
SO, BUT - I JUST KINDA WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY RAN, IF THEY RAN THE RADIUS CHECK ON IT, JUST TO MAKE SURE IF THERE IS ANY ADDITIONAL MIXED USE THAT DOES HAPPEN.
I'M JUST KINDA THINKING THAT FUTURISTICALLY, THIS LOOKS LIKE AN AMAZING PROJECT AND IT LOOKS VERY BEAUTIFUL, AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT TOO, BUT I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT, WELL, THERE'S OTHER IDEALS THAT COMES LIKE THIS AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN.
WE'RE NOW HAVING ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH ANOTHER COMMUNITY ABOUT MIXED USE, UM, COMING IN BECAUSE THIS PROJECT, UM, LOOKS VERY BEAUTIFUL.
I, I WAS VERY EXCITED WHEN IT WAS FIRST SHOWED TO ME, AND I THINK CHANDLER NEEDS SOME GREAT USE LIKE THIS.
I THINK ABOUT THE, THE EPIC CENTER IN GILBERT, AND THEY HAVE SOMETHING WHERE THEY HAVE RETAIL, THEY HAVE THE, THE LIVING CORRIDOR,
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AND IT'S JUST AMAZING.I THINK IF WE CAN HELP, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW ANY ADDITIONAL LAWS AROUND IT.
I'M, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE IS SOMETHING COMING, BUT I AM JUST THINKING ABOUT, UM, PEOPLE ARE, LIKES TO TAKE ON NEW IDEALS, AND I JUST KINDA WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT IF THIS IS ALL IT IS, IS A HIGHWAY, THEN I UNDERSTAND, BUT I JUST WANT MR. ALLRED OR HIS TEAM TO GET BACK WITH ME, HAVE A MEETING WITH ME BEFORE JUST, AND MY TEAM GET BACK WITH ME AND LET ME KNOW THAT THIS IS A, A SAFE, UH, ASSURED THING FOR THE FUTURE.
SO I THINK IT CAN BE RESOLVED.
I JUST KINDA WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE MEETING OR THE CONVERSATION HAPPENS BEFORE MY VOTE ON THURSDAY.
NEXT ITEM UP IS ONE THAT I CALLED INTO, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT,
[8. Introduction and Tentative Adoption of Ordinance No. 5184 - Rezone and Preliminary Development Plan, Vale Sereno Rezoning Move City Council introduce and tentatively adopt Ordinance No. 5184 approving PLH26-0021 Vale Sereno, Rezoning from Agricultural District (AG-1) and Planned Area Development (PAD) for general and medical office to PAD for single-family residential, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning and Zoning Commission. Preliminary Development Plan Move City Council approve Preliminary Development Plan PLH26-0021 Vale Sereno for subdivision layout and housing product for a 53-lot single-family subdivision, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning and Zoning Commission. Council Focus Area(s):]
THE INTRODUCTION AND TENTATIVE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 5184, THE REZONE AND PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF VALE SERRANO.AND I REALLY, I REALLY HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
I DON'T NEED A, A PRESENTATION AT THIS POINT, BUT IN THE PRESENTATION BOOK, IT MENTIONS THAT THIS IS A SOLUTION FOR, UM, UH, THE MISSING MIDDLE.
WHAT ARE THE, WHAT'S THE COST ON THESE UNITS? I CONSIDER MISSING MIDDLE 300, 400,000.
WHAT'S, WHAT ARE THESE UNITS THAT ARE GONNA BE GOING FOR? DO YOU KNOW? UH, MAYOR HARKEY, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER.
I DO HAVE, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE AND SOMEONE FROM THAT COULD POTENTIALLY ANSWER THAT.
BUT WHERE THAT HAD COME FROM IS THAT IT'S ADDING MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR HI - UH, FOR ALL LEVELS OF HOUSING IN THE CITY.
SO, UM, BY ADDING EVEN A HIGHER PRICED HOMES TO THE MARKET, IT'S CREATING MORE AVAILABILITY FOR LOWER COST HOMES AS WELL, UM, ADDING TO THE MISSING MIDDLE HOU- HOUSING.
BUT I DO NOT KNOW THE EXACT PRICE.
BUT NOBODY'S SAYING THIS IS MISSING MIDDLE.
AND SECONDLY, THIS IS FOR YOU TOO.
UM, AS I'VE SEEN SOUTHEAST CHANDLER DEVELOP, WE, WE HAVE A, A, A MINIMUM OR A MEC - OR AMOUNT OF HOUSING PER ACRE, AND THEN WE DO THIS, WE DO THIS AVERAGING OF WHAT'S AROUND THERE AND THAT'S WHERE THE CONCLUSION TO THIS.
BUT I GUESS AS I'VE LOOKED AT THIS, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME WE ADD DENSITY, IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THE NEXT PROJECT TO EVEN BE MORE DENSE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE AVERAGE.
AND COUNSEL, I'D SUGGEST THAT WE LOOK AT THAT OR YOU LOOK AT THAT IN THE FUTURE AND SEE, BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE ADD DENSITY, IT'S EASIER FOR THE NEXT PROJECT TO BECOME MORE DENSE BECAUSE IT, IT, IT'S, IT THEN ADDS TO THERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS WHAT WE ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED IN DOING THIS WHERE, WHAT WAS WHAT, WHAT, 2.74, THIS IS 4.25 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, BUT IT'S ALLOWED BECAUSE OTHER PROJECTS HAVE, HAVE COME INTO THERE AND THEY'VE CONTRIBUTED TO THE INCREASED DENSITY AROUND THIS.
AND I, I SUSPECT THIS IS GONNA PASS, BUT I, I SUGGEST, COUNSEL, YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE I, I, IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE A TON LEFT, BUT BY THE SAME FORMULA, EVERY PROJECT WILL BECOME MORE DENSE BECAUSE THIS PROJECT WILL ADD MORE DENSITY THAT WILL THEN BE AVERAGED AS PART OF THE FUTURE.
SO I, I, UM, TELL ME THE FORMULA AGAIN, JUST SO THAT I'M, I'M QUITE AWARE OF IT.
SO, UH, MAYOR HARKEY, UM, BY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UM, BY ADDING MORE DENSITY, UM, IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA, LIKE AT THIS SPECIFIC INTERSECTION, IT WOULD LIMIT IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA, UM, ADDIT - LIKE MORE DENSITY BECAUSE IT'S LOOKING AT A RADIUS OF A MILE AND A HALF, OR A HALF A MILE AROUND THE PROJECT SITE.
UM, I COULD ACTUALLY, UM, I'M GONNA PULL UP A - I THINK YOU'VE GOT THAT BACKWARDS BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T LIMIT, IT WOULD CONTRIBUTE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE THE AVERAGE THAT WOULD, IT WOULD BE RAISING, CORRECT? YES.
SO IT'S CONTRIBUTING, IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE AVERAGE AGGREGATE DENSITY WITH THIS PROPOSAL, BUT IT WON'T RESULT IN FUTURE PROPOSALS IN THE, AROUND THIS SAME INTERSECTION, ALSO BEING ABLE TO FURTHER INCREASE THE AVERAGE AGGREGATE DENSITY UNLESS THEY ARE ABLE TO STAY UNDER THE CAP THAT IS RESTRICTED IN THE SOUTHEAST CHANDLER AREA PLAN.
SO THIS ONE IS ADDING TO IT, BUT IT, UM, DOESN'T NECESSARILY GIVE WAY FOR, UM, OTHER PROJECTS AT THIS CORNER TO CONTINUE TO ADD TO IT UNLESS THEY'RE ABLE TO STAY UNDER THE 2.5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, I'D LIKE SOME CLARITY ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW I READ THAT.
IF BY THURSDAY YOU CAN GET THAT TO ME, CITY MANAGER OR,
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OR KEVIN MAYLE.YES, MAYOR, WE'LL GET YOU A - I WOULD READ IT THE OPPOSITE RATHER THAN RESTRICTING FUTURE DENSITY.
I WOULD SAY IT INVITES INCREASING DENSITY BECAUSE IT, THE NEW AVERAGE THEN IS TAKEN IN BY THIS, BUT CORRECT ME WHERE I'M WRONG AND GET THAT TO ME BY THURSDAY.
WE WILL GET BACK TO YOU, MAYOR.
I DON'T REALLY NEED A PRESENTATION, BUT COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.
NO, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.
WE WILL DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
UM, IS THIS CONSIDERED AN INFILL PROJECT? UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, WE ARE CONSIDERING IT AN INFILL PROJECT, UM, WHICH UNDER, IT'S SUPPORTED UNDER THE GENERAL PLAN, ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE ABLE TO, UM, RECOMMEND SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.
SO, AND WE CAN GET THIS ANSWER THURSDAY.
DOES OUR POLICY ALLOW US FOR HIGHER DENSITY INFILL PROJECTS OR IS IT JUST TAKES THE AGGREGATE? SO, UM, FOR, WITHIN THE GENERAL PLAN, UH, FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED AT, UH, INTERSECTION, ARTERIAL INTERSECTIONS, IT DOES ALLOW FOR INCREASED DENSITY UP TO 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, NOT NECESSARILY JUST BECAUSE IT'S A, UM, INFILL PROJECT, BUT, UM, ALSO THE LOCATION, UM, BETWEEN AT, DIRECTLY AT TWO ARTERIAL STREETS.
UM, SO WHAT IS THE DENSITY IN THIS AREA AGAIN? IS IT 1.75? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE ON YOUR CHART? YEAH.
SO, UM, THE CURRENT AVERAGE AGGREGATE DENSITY IS 1.64 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, AND THEN WITH THE ADDITION OF THE 53 PROPOSED UNITS, IT WOULD BE 1.75 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
WHICH IS WHAT HE'S DRIVING AT, RIGHT? YES.
SO THIS PROJECT WILL INCREASE THE AVERAGE AGGREGATE DENSITY, BUT, UM, IT DOESN'T OPEN UP FOR FUTURE PROJECTS TO INCREASE IT ANYMORE THAN TO THE CAP OF 2.5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
ALL RIGHT, SO THE CAP IS 2.5? YES.
IT'S HAPPENED ONCE OR TWICE - I THINK ME TOO.
UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE A CLARIFICATION ON THAT, SO YEAH.
COUNCIL, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I'M, I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT.
HOW MUCH ARE THOSE GOING TO BE? WHAT IS THE PRICE POINT? UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THE, THE PRICE POINT OF THE HOMES, BUT I COULD, I COULD LOOK INTO IT.
OUR LAST ITEM CALLED IN IS ITEM
[22. Introduction and Tentative Adoption of Ordinance No. 5186 - Industrial Wastewater Pretreatment Program Local Limits Update Move City Council introduce and tentatively adopt Ordinance No. 5186, declaring that document entitled "City of Chandler 2027 Industrial Pretreatment Program" to be a public record; amending the Code of the City of Chandler, Chapter 51, (Wastewater Service), by amending Article III (Wastewater Pretreatment Program) Section 51-24 (Establishment of Wastewater Pretreatment Program) to adopt the City of Chandler 2027 Industrial Pretreatment Program; providing for an effective date; providing for the repeal of conflicting ordinances; and providing for severability. Council Focus Area(s):]
NUMBER 22, WHICH IS INTRODUCTION AND TENTATIVE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 5186, INDUSTRIAL WASTEWATER PRETREATMENT PROGRAM AND LOCAL LIMITS UPDATE.UH, THIS IS CALLED IN BY COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.
I DON'T NEED A PRESENTATION, BUT - OKAY.
JUST TO CLARIFY HERE, WE DO THIS PLANT HOUSE, HOW OFTEN? SO OUR LAST, UH, LOCAL LIMIT ORDINANCE UPDATE WAS IN 2013.
SO IS THAT NORMALLY AROUND THE TIMEFRAME WE DO THIS OR IS IT SHOULD BE SHORTER? IT SHOULD BE SHORTER.
UM, HOWEVER, WITH THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN INDUSTRIAL USERS AND WITH, UM, UPCOMING REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS, UM, THE CITY FELT IT WAS BEST TO, UM, HAVE A STUDY PERFORMED.
AND, AND THIS STUDY BASICALLY IS TO GO THROUGH THE 35, 40 ELEMENTS.
THEN WE ACTUALLY PINPOINT THE THREE OR FOUR ELEMENTS THAT ARE KEY FOR US TO BE, UM, UH, ADJUSTING TO ENSURE IT GETS US FILTERED OUT, CORRECT? SO THIS WAS FOR 17 CONTAMINANTS.
UM, AND OF THE 17, ONLY THREE POSED, UM, UH, CHANGES.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING BACK TO OUR CIP, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT FILTERS AND SYSTEMS TO BE ABLE TO, I BELIEVE IT'S ARSENIC.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE THREE HERE.
AND THIS WILL HELP US FILTER OUT, IDENTIFY WHERE THOSE WEAKNESSES ARE.
WE CAN START FILTERING OUT THOSE ELEMENTS FROM OUR WATER.
SO THIS WOULD BE ON OUR RECLAIM SIDE.
SO THE LOCAL LIMITS, UM, PERTAIN TO OUR, OUR RECLAIM SIDE OF THINGS.
SO THIS IS FOR ALL INDUSTRIAL WASTE THAT COMES INTO OUR TREATMENT PLANTS THROUGH THE COLLECTION SYSTEM.
BUT WE STILL HAVE TO PULL THAT OUT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THOUGH.
WE STILL HAVE TO FILTER THAT OUT EVENTUALLY, RIGHT? EVENTUALLY, YES.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M DRIVING AT.
WE HAVE TO EVENTUALLY FILL THIS OUT.
SO LET'S GET IT AT THE WASTEWATER SIDE OF IT VERSUS ON THE OTHER END IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
COUNCIL, THAT CONCLUDES OUR, UH, ITEMS THAT ARE CALLED IN.
WE'LL SEE YOU ALL ON THURSDAY.
WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO VOTE ON THESE AND OTHER FUN THINGS.