Jun 03, 2026 Planning &amp; Zoning Meeting - 06/03/2026

WE'LL MOVE NOW ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

YEAH.

GOT A COME HERE SMILE , NOT A PHOTOGRAPHER.

I'M NOT SURE THAT I COULD HAVE SAID IT BETTER, BUT ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR INVOLVEMENT AND GUIDANCE, FRANKLY, FOR ALL OF US WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR, UM, JUST A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AS COMPARED TO ALL OF THE ENGAGEMENT AND INVOLVEMENT YOU'VE HAD OVER THE YEARS.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING, AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR THOSE COMMISSIONERS ONLINE, UM, SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE, I GUESS , I I JUST WANT TO THANK THE PLANNING STAFF, KEVIN, KEVIN MAYO, UH, KEVIN MAYO, WHOLE STAFF.

UH, WE PROBABLY HAVE THE BEST CLIENT STAFF IN ANY, ANY CITY IN VALLEY BY FAR.

UH, PEOPLE CARE HERE.

UH, I CARE FOR ALL THESE YEARS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN STUFF AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I HOPE THE COMMISSIONS LEARN SOME STUFF AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE WHAT WE'VE WORKED SO HARD FOR IN GENERAL.

[ Consent Agenda Items listed on the Consent Agenda may be enacted by one motion and one vote. If a discussion is required by members of the Board or Commission, the item will be removed from the Consent Agenda for discussion and determination will be made if the item will be considered separately.]

UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR OUR PRIOR STUDY SESSION, PLEASE NOTE THAT ITEM THREE, THE REZONING OF ARIZONA AVENUE AND GUADALUPE ROAD PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS ACTUALLY, UH, BEEN PULLED TO OUR ACTION ITEM AGENDA.

BUT FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, UM, THE ITEMS LISTED 2, 4, 5, AND SIX, UH, WERE DISCUSSED DURING THE STUDY SESSION HELD PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.

AND THE COMMISSION WILL VOTE ON ALL OF THESE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TOGETHER IN ONE MOTION AND ONE VOTE.

IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA BEFORE THE COMMISSION'S VOTE, PLEASE INDICATE YOUR DESIRE TO DO SO NOW.

YES, MA'AM.

WELL, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS LIKE THE PROPER TIME 'CAUSE I DON'T TOTALLY UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE ACTION AGENDA, CONSENT AGENDA.

UM, POINTS, BUT I DO WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, FOR NUMBER THREE, THE ARIZONA AVENUE, GUADALUPE ROAD.

SO I'LL GET TO THAT IN A MOMENT.

YOU'LL DEFINITELY HAVE A CHANCE FOR THAT.

BUT IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE OTHER CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? 2, 4, 5, OR SIX? OH, OKAY.

NO.

OKAY, GREAT.

UM, THERE FOUR.

IS THERE A, A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA? OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS, UH, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? IS THERE A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA CHAIR? OH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, AS THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 2, 4, 5, AND SIX.

COMMISSIONER SCHWARTZER, IS THERE A NUMBER SIX ON THE CONSENT? I'M NOT SEEING A SIX HERE.

I THINK YOU'RE PERHAPS STILL ON THE, UM, STUDY SECTION.

OH, OH, THANK YOU.

SORRY.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

THANKS.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT.

AGENDA ITEMS 2, 4, 5, AND SIX.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

AS MENTIONED, WE ARE MOVING ITEM THREE, THE REZONING, PDP VE, ARIZONA AVENUE AND GUADALUPE ROAD TO ACTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

A MOTION, AND A SECOND TO APPROVE CONSENT.

AGENDA ITEMS AGAIN, 2, 4, 5, AND SIX.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? ANY ABSTAIN? OKAY.

MOTION PASSES.

SIX TO ZERO FOR APPROVAL OF

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THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ALRIGHT,

[2. Rezoning, Preliminary Development Plan, Arizona Avenue and Guadalupe Road Rezoning Move Planning and Zoning Commission recommend approval of Rezoning PLH25-0006 Arizona Avenue and Guadalupe Road, Rezoning from Agricultural District (AG-1) to AG-1/ Planned Area Development (PAD) for deviations in lot size and setbacks, located 1/2 of a mile north of the northeast corner of Arizona Avenue and Elliot Road, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning staff. Preliminary Development Plan Move Planning and Zoning Commission recommend approval of Preliminary Development Plan PLH25-0006 Arizona Avenue and Guadalupe Road for the layout of six parcels ranging from approximately 33,000–38,000, located 1/2 of a mile north of the northeast corner of Arizona Avenue and Elliot Road, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning staff.]

ITEM AGENDA.

WE WILL MOVE, UM, AT, OR WE WILL START OFF WITH OUR STAFF PRESENTATION AT THIS TIME FROM DARCY.

GOOD EVENING.

PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BEFORE YOU TODAY IS PLH 25 0 6 ARIZONA AVENUE IN GUADALUPE ROAD.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 6.05 ACRES AND IS LOCATED HALF A MILE NORTH OF THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF ARIZONA AVENUE AND ELLIOT ROAD.

IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT FOR AG.

ONE REQUEST IS FOR A REZONING FROM AG ONE TO AG ONE SLASH PAD FOR DEVIATIONS AND LOT SIZE AND SETBACKS.

THERE'S ALSO A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE LAYOUT OF SIX PARCELS RANGING FROM 33,000 TO 38,000.

SOME CONTEXTUAL BACKGROUND FOR TREMAINE PARK, THE SUBDIVISION IT'S LOCATED WITHIN.

IN 1967, IT RECEIVED PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL AND DEVELOPED IN MARICOPA COUNTY.

AND IN 1988 IT WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF CHANDLER.

THE LOTS THAT WERE BELOW AN ACRE AT THE TIME OF ANNEXATION BECAME LEGAL NON-CONFORMING, AND THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION RECEIVED SEWER IN THE FORM OF SEPTIC TANKS, WHICH WILL BE RELEVANT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.

ZONING CODE REQUIRES THAT A PROPERTY ZONED AG ONE BE A MINIMUM OF ONE ACRE TO BUILD, AND MOST OF THE LOTS THAT ARE BELOW THE ONE ACRE REQUIREMENT BECAME LEGAL NONCONFORMING.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO SPLIT THE FOUR PARCELS INTO SIX LOTS WITH LOT SIZES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE INTENT OF THIS PROPOSAL IS TO MAINTAIN THE RURAL AGRARIAN QUALITIES OF TREMAINE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT, THE PROPOSAL IS FOR SIX SINGLE FAMILY LOTS RANGING FROM THE 33,000 TO THE 38,000 SQUARE FEET.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A DEVIATION IN THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE ALLOWED UNDER AG ONE AND A REDUCTION INSIDE YARD SETBACKS TWO 15 FEET AS SHOWN IN THE RED BOXES BELOW.

ALL OTHER A G ONE REQUIREMENTS AND ALLOWANCES WILL REMAIN IN PLACE, WHICH INCLUDES PERMITTED USES, AGRARIAN USES FRONT AND REAR SETBACKS AND LOCK COVERAGE.

THE REQUEST WAS NOTICE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY'S ZONING CODE AND THE APPLICANT HELD TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.

THE FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS HELD ON AUGUST 13TH, 2025, AND THERE WERE 37 RESIDENTS IN ATTENDANCE.

THE NEIGHBORS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE REQUEST TO REZONE TO SF 33.

DUE TO THE USES PERMITTED BY USE PERMIT SECTION, THE APPLICANT AGREED TO REZONE TO A G ONE WITH A PAD OVERLAY FOR THE REDUCED SBACK.

SO SOME SEWER BACKGROUND.

THE NEIGHBORS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE APPLICANT HAVING BROUGHT IN A SEWER LATERAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PROPOSAL TO EXTEND IT FARTHER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ANY PROPERTY WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE SEWER WOULD BE REQUIRED TO TIE INTO THE SEWER SHOULD THEIR SEPTIC SYSTEM FAIL OR NEED TO BE EXPANDED.

THIS COULD CREATE A DAISY CHAIN EFFECT TO ENCOMPASS A LARGE PORTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE PROPERTIES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PAY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT AS PART OF THE BUYBACK AGREEMENT WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

THE OWNER EXTINGUISHED, SORRY, THE OWNER AGREED TO EXTINGUISH THE BUYBACK AGREEMENT AND CLARIFY WHICH LOTS WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THE ADDITIONAL SEWER BEING ADDED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO A SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS HELD ON APRIL 26, 20 SECOND, 2026 IN 19, RESIDENTS ATTENDED, THE RESIDENTS WERE PLEASED WITH THE CHANGES.

THEY REQUESTED FOR A ONE AND WERE OKAY WITH THE REDUCED SETBACKS.

AND THE APPLICANT PRESENTED THE TERMINATION OF THE SEWER BUYBACK AGREEMENT AND SHOWED A SEWER FEASIBILITY MEMO THAT SHOWED 12 LOTS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO TIE INTO THE SEWER LATERAL.

AND THAT'S SHOWN IN THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT FOLLOWING THE SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.

PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITY STAFF RE-REVIEWED THE SEWER FEASIBILITY AGREEMENT AND DETERMINED THAT THE SEWER EXTENSION WOULD BE REDUCED FROM 12 TO ONLY FOUR HOMES ON THE EAST SIDE OF WASHINGTON STREET.

DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE PIPE AND THE DEPTH OF THE SEWER, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN ASKED TO REWORK THE SEWER FEASIBILITY MEMO TO REFLECT THE NEW FINDINGS TO BE BE ATTACHED TO THE COUNCIL MEMO.

AND I HAVE RECEIVED THAT AS OF JUST THIS AFTERNOON.

AS OF TODAY, STAFF HAS RECEIVED FOUR LETTERS OF OPPOSITION AND TWO

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LETTERS WITH A FEW PROPOSED CHANGES.

AS DEPICTED IN THE ADDENDUM MEMO BEFORE YOU STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSAL IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH GENERAL PLAN AND EXISTING ZONING, THE PROPOSED LOT SIZES ARE CONSISTENT WITH EXISTING LOT SIZES AND THE PROPOSED LAND USE IS A CONTINUATION OF THE EXISTING LAND USE.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH STIPULATIONS.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, DARCY.

APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, PLANNING COMMISSION.

I'LL OPEN IT UP.

UM, OH, ACTUALLY, HOLD ON.

I'M GONNA INVITE THE APPLICANT UP.

RIGHT THOMAS? UM, YOU COULD HAVE PLANNING COMMISSION ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

THAT'S FINE.

AT SOME POINT THEN YOU, I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF.

SO AM I ALLOWED THAT WOULD BE THE TIME, YEP.

YEAH.

UM, COMMISSION, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DARCY? IS WHAT I GUESS I'M ASKING CHAIR.

ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR LOTS, FIVE AND SIX THAT ARE SHOWN ON THAT SITE PLAN.

WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THAT DRIVEWAY THAT THEY'RE SHOWING TO ACCESS? LOT SIX? IT, IT LOOKS A LITTLE TIGHT TO ME AND, UM, IT JUST FEELS A LITTLE FORCED FOR THAT, THOSE TWO LOTS SQUEEZED IN THERE FOR THE SOUTH CORNER OF THAT PROPERTY.

THE CHAIR COMMISSIONER, I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE THE WIDTH OF THAT.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND IS GIVING THE PRESENTATION NEXT, SO OKAY.

THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT IN A MINUTE.

UH, TOM OR DAN, DO EITHER OF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DARCY AT THIS TIME? CHAIR, THIS IS DAN.

A QUICK QUESTION.

GO FOR IT.

DARCY, YOU MENTIONED THE EXTINGUISHMENT OF THE, I THINK YOU CALLED IT THE BUYBACK AGREEMENT.

UM, DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW, OR COULD YOU INFORM US IF THERE'S ANY ECONOMIC EFFECT TO THOSE REMAINING FOUR LOTS IN THE ABSENCE OF THE BUYBACK AGREEMENT? YEAH, THROUGH THE CHAIR.

I'M LOOKING TO OUR PLANNING MANAGER OVER HERE.

UM, SO YES, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR.

UH, COMMISSIONER GOTHY.

UM, SO ESSENTIALLY THE, THE BUYBACK AGREEMENT WAS EXTINGUISHED, SO THOSE FOUR LOTS WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY INTO THAT BUYBACK AGREEMENT.

HOWEVER, THERE WOULD STILL BE FEES FROM THE CITY TO TIE INTO THE SEWER.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES.

SO DOES THAT MEAN THOSE HOMES HAVE THE OPTION IN THE FUTURE IF THEY'RE, IF THERE'S, THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THEIR SEPTIC SYSTEM TO, TO CONNECT TO IT, BUT THEY'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR COMMISSIONER QUINN.

UH, IF THEIR SEPTIC FAILS, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED BY CITY CODE TO TIE INTO THE SEWER AT THAT TIME.

BUT NOT THE BUYBACK AGREEMENT, JUST THE CHARGES FOR CONNECTION.

CORRECT.

UM, THANK YOU.

AND SO DARCY, I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE LAST BULLET POINT THAT I THINK YOU HAVE UP HERE ON THE SCREEN.

SO WE DID RECEIVE YOUR, YOUR MEMO HERE.

UM, CAN YOU, AND GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INFORMATION HERE.

YOU MENTIONED HERE IN YOUR LAST BULLET POINT, UM, TWO LETTERS WITH A FEW PROPOSED CHANGES.

UH, DO YOU, CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN US A A BIT ON WHAT THE, WHAT, WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT? TWO LETTERS WITH A FEW PROPOSED CHANGES THROUGH THE CHAIR.

UM, IT CAME FROM A RESIDENT NAMED JOHN.

UM, SOME OF HIS MAIN REQUESTS WERE ESSENTIALLY STATING, UM, ACTUALLY LESSER SETBACKS THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED IN AG ONE.

UM, SO HE WOULD, HE REQUESTED THAT THE REAR YARD SETBACK WOULD GO FROM 40 FEET TO 15 FEET.

UM, THE FRONT YARD WOULD INCREASE FROM 20 TO 25.

THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE WOULD GO FROM THE 33,000 TO 31 600.

AND THEN MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE INCREASED FROM 40 TO 50%.

AND HIS REASONING WAS THAT, SO THAT IT MATCHES MORE SO WITH WHAT'S EXISTING IN TRIMMING PARK CURRENTLY.

AND, OKAY, I THINK I HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FOR MR. WEBSTER, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK HIM MORE PERHAPS WHEN HE COMES UP.

MANY ARE BELOW THAT? AND IF THEY'RE EXISTING, WOULDN'T THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN? YEAH, AS, AS BUILDABLE LOTS, THE CHAIR.

ASK ANOTHER QUESTION.

YES, GO AHEAD.

UM, SO OBVIOUSLY IN THIS LITTLE CLIP THAT'S CURRENTLY UP, ALL, ALL OF THE HOMES IN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD ARE LESS THAN AN ACRE.

HOW MANY OF THE HOMES ARE IN THE 33,000 OR THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE RANGE? AND HOW

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UM, SO THE LOTS THAT ARE EXISTING THAT ARE BELOW AN ACRE, WERE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY THAT WAY.

SO THEY, THEY WERE ALLOWED TO BE.

SO, UM, THE LOTS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TODAY ARE COMING IN AFTER THE FACT.

SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET OUR CURRENT CODE REQUIREMENT OF THE MINIMUM OF AN ACRE, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE REQUESTING THE DEVIATIONS, UM, FOLLOW UP.

LOTS TO MAINTAIN A DETENTION BASIN.

SO, BUT, BUT THE, I THINK IT'S A JOHN WEBSTER MEMO, UH, INDICATES THAT THERE ARE LOTS THAT ARE AS LOW AS 31 600 IN THE PROPERTY, BUT THAT WOULD ALREADY BE APPROVED A AS BUILDABLE AT 31 600, RIGHT? YES, THAT'S THE CASE.

'CAUSE IT WOULD BE THE LEGAL NONCONFORMING.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND, UH, CHAIR, IF I COULD CLARIFY, THE, UH, REQUESTS ARE ONLY FOR, OR, OR THE REQUEST TODAY FOR PAD AG ONE PAD REALLY, UM, ONLY AFFECTS THE PROPOSED LOTS ONE THROUGH SIX.

IT DOES NOT AFFECT ANY OF THE EXISTING LOTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO, LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, THOSE ARE ILLEGAL NON-PERFORMING.

UM, THEY CAN BUILD ON THEM.

UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ZONED AG ONE, SO THEY ABIDE BY THE AG ONE STANDARDS AND THE AG ONE U RULES.

UM, BUT THE, THE, THE STANDARDS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TODAY ARE REALLY ONLY APPLICABLE TO LOTS ONE THROUGH SIX AS PROPOSED.

UM, WE'LL NOW GO AHEAD AND CALL UP THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR PRESENTATION.

UH, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN.

K MEMBERS.

THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER NAME IS ANDREW MILLER.

I'M AN ATTORNEY AT THE LAW FIRM OF BERTIN KOLO, LOCATED AT 1850 NORTH CENTRAL SITE 1700.

I'M HERE REPRESENTING BAB BAB BABCOCK, RESON, LLC, OR I SHOULD JUST SAY ROSS BABCOCK.

ROSS IS OVER HERE IN THE FRONT ROW.

THERE HE IS.

AND HIS WIFE WITH HIM ALSO WITH US TODAY IS KURT JOHNSON FROM CVL, UM, WHO DID A LOT OF THE WORK ON THE ENGINEERING ON THE SEWER, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE PLANNING AND THE DOCUMENTATION.

UM, WE'VE HAD, UH, TWO PRETTY WELL ATTENDED NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WE DID RIGHT THERE AT ARIZONA AVENUE BAPTIST CHURCH.

PRETTY CONVENIENT.

AND, UM, WE, WE UNITED THE NEIGHBORHOOD, EVERYBODY CAME TOGETHER.

UH, AT FIRST THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, CONCERN JUST BECAUSE THESE PROPERTIES HAD BEEN THROUGH, UH, OTHER PRE-DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS IN THE PAST.

SOME FOR TOWN HOMES, SOME FOR COMMERCIAL USES.

UH, CHURCHES HAD BEEN INTERESTED IN THESE PARCELS IN THE PAST.

UM, MR. BABCOCK ORIGINALLY PURCHASED THE CENTRAL LOT BACK IN 2000, I THINK SIX, UM, FOR A FRIEND WHO WANTED TO PUT A BUTTERFLY FARM.

AND SO HE THOUGHT IT'D BE A GOOD COMMUNITY AMENITY.

HIS FRIEND WAS GONNA LEASE THE PARCEL, HE CLOSED ON IT AND THEN HIS FRIEND HAD TO BACK OUT THE LEASE 'CAUSE HE WAS NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE ZONING.

THAT WAS SOMETHING THEY HAD NOT VERIFIED.

AND SO HE'S OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR A LONG TIME AND, UH, AND, UH, HAS TRIED TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.

AND I THINK THIS PROPOSAL, UH, MORE THAN ANYTHING WILL PROBABLY BRING SOME CERTAINTY AND A, AND A REALISTIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, SCENARIO TO THESE PROPERTIES SO THAT THEY'LL FINALLY GET BUILT ON AND NO LONGER BE, UM, THE BROWN DIRT LOTS THAT THEY ARE TODAY.

UM, THIS IS A, UH, ARROW OF THE SITE, AS YOU CAN SEE, AS STAFF HAS TALKED ABOUT.

IT'S, UH, IT'S VERY GREEN IN THIS AREA.

UH, KIND OF A UNIQUE PROPERTY TERM.

MAIN PARK ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED AS A COUNTY ISLAND WITH LARGE LOTS.

AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE LOT SIZES IN, IN A LITTLE BIT.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE FAR, UM, UH, EASTERN EDGE HERE.

THE SOUTHEASTERN CORNER, UH, IS THE, I'M SORRY, SOUTHWESTERN CORNER IS THE, THE PROPERTY, UH, THREE LOTS.

PRIMARILY IT SAYS FOUR.

THAT'S BECAUSE, UM, ONE OF THE PROP, ONE OF THE PARCELS, THE ONE THAT'S FURTHEST TO THE NORTH LOT 17 AT ONE TIME.

PART OF THAT WAS CONDEMNED BY ADOT FOR SOME DRAINAGE, UH, UH, OFF STREET DRAINAGE PURPOSES FOR ARIZONA AVENUE.

UH, THEY, I GUESS, CONDEMNED MORE THAN THEY NEEDED AND AGREED TO SELL SOME OF IT BACK TO MR. BABCOCK.

UH, AND IT'S SEPARATE PARCEL BECAUSE THAT TRANSACTION, WE STILL CONSIDER IT ONE.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT BASICALLY THREE PARCELS THAT THEY'RE EACH ABOUT 75 TO 77,000 SQUARE FEET THAT WILL BE SPLIT INTO, UM, BASICALLY THREE, UM, SIX, UM, 35,000 TO 37, 37 TO 33,000 SQUARE FOOT POT, UM, IS CURRENTLY ZONED AG ONE, UM, IN THE TOWN IN THE CITY OF, UH, CHANDLER.

AND THE PROPOSAL IS TO DO A G ONE PAD, UM, ON THE WAY HERE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF INITIALLY, UM, WE STARTED BACK IN 2022.

ON, ON THIS APPLICATION, UM, THERE WAS A DESIRE TO DO A PDP, DO A FULL SUBDIVISION, DO STREET LIGHTS, CURB GUTTER SIDEWALKS, A RETENTION BASINS, A NEW HOA, JUST FOR THESE SIX

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AND WE CAME BACK AND STAFF, UH, WORKED WITH US OVER TIME TO LOOK AT WHAT CAN WE DO THAT MAYBE MIRRORS THIS ACTUAL SUBDIVISION.

IF WE PUT CURB, GUTTER, SIDEWALK, STREET LIGHTS, IT WOULD NOT LOOK LIKE THE REST OF GERMAIN PARK AND THEY WOULD HATE US.

AND SO, UH, WE WORKED WITH STAFF QUITE A BIT TO SEE IF WE CAN WHITTLE DOWN TO STREET LANDSCAPING, UH, STREET WIDTHS AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT LOOK LIKE THE REST OF TRINITY PARK.

UM, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION, UH, LOT LAYOUT.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT, THERE WERE, UH, 40, UH, SIX DIFFERENT LOTS.

UM, OUR LOTS ARE LOTS, 1731 AND 46 AT THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER.

OF THOSE, UM, ORIGINAL 46 LOTS, ALMOST ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN SPLIT.

UH, THE BLUE STAR ON THE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THAT IS THE CHURCH PARCEL.

UM, OH, YOU ONLY SEE THIS SLIDE.

HERE WE GO.

GETTING PEOPLE OFF OF SEPTIC AND NON SEWER FOR ENVIRONMENTAL AND OTHER REASONS.

UH, YOUR PRESENTATION SHOWS BOTH SLIDES, THOUGH.

IT THROW ME OFF.

ANYWAY, THANK YOU.

THAT'S KINDA HELPS YOU TO A PREVIEW.

UH, THE BLUE STAR IS THE CHURCH.

THAT'S A COMMERCIAL PARCEL.

STAY THE SAME.

THE THREE BLACK DOTS OR STARS ARE, UM, THE BABCOCK TON PARCELS AND THE SIX, I'M SORRY, FIVE RED STARS ARE THE FIVE LOTS THAT ARE STILL OVER ONE ACRE SIZE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THE VAST, VAST BULK OF THESE PARCELS HAVE ALL SPLIT TO BE LESS THAN ONE ACRE SIZE.

I BELIEVE MOST OF THOSE WERE SPLIT BACK, UH, BEFORE THE PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED IN THE 1980S BY, UH, THE CITY OF CHANDLER.

AND THEY'VE REMAINED IN THOSE SAME LOT SIZES EVER SINCE.

UM, THERE IS AN INTEREST BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, UH, MR. WEBSTER HAS, I THINK, SUBMITTED A PRETTY DETAILED MEMO AND TALKED TO SOME OF HIS NEIGHBORS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO, THEY ASKED US, CAN WE AMEND OURS AND INCLUDE EVERYBODY? AND WE SAID, WELL, THAT'D BE HARD TO DO.

THERE'S, I WAS CONCERNED AS ABOUT PROP 2 0 7 ISSUES.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, KIND OF GET EVERY SINGLE PERSON TO SIGN A WAIVER.

UM, AND WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO SQUARE ONE, BUT I THINK, UM, WHAT THE NEIGHBORS SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT AFTER THIS APPLICATION, THEY'D LIKE TO LOOK AT MAYBE DOING SOMETHING TO TAKE THE REST OF THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION.

IF THEY CAN GET EVERYBODY A DEGREE TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD AMEND THE STANDARDS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR TODAY.

MAYBE, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE.

AND THE PRIMARY CONCERN IS THAT THEN THE ZONING WOULD MATCH WHAT'S ACTUALLY BUILT IN SUBDIVISION.

AND EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE PREEXISTING NONCONFORMING BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, I SPENT 30 YEARS AS A MUNICIPAL LAWYER, EIGHT YEARS AS A SENIOR DEPUTY IN PEORIA IN 22 YEARS OF PARADISE VALLEY.

AND EVEN THOUGH SOMEONE HAS A PREEXISTING NON-CONFORMING GRANDFATHERED LOT, OFTENTIMES IT, IT BUGS THEM THAT THEIR LOT DOESN'T APPLY THE CURRENT ZONING.

AND THERE'S ALWAYS THE RISK THAT WHEN YOU COME INTO AMEND OR CHANGE THE STRUCTURE, IF IT'S NOT WITHIN THE SETBACKS, YOU'VE GOTTA MODIFY THAT STRUCTURE TO CONFORM.

SO I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AS A NEIGHBORHOOD TO SAY, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO FOLLOWING YOUR APPLICATION, UH, TO SAY, LET'S MAKE THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO A, UH, PAD AN AG ONE PAD DISTRICT WITH, WITH CERTAIN STANDARDS.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE FROM THE, THE MEMO FROM MR. WEBSTER.

AND WE APPRECIATED HIS SUPPORT AS WELL AS HIS, HIS COMMENTS.

UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE NEXT, UH, THESE ARE THE LOTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, THERE IS A LOT OF INTEREST IN THE FIRST 4, 1, 2, 3, 4 AT THE TOP, AND WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR A BUYER.

WE'VE GOT TWO PEOPLE READY TO PURCHASE THOSE, THE OFFERS.

BUT THEY'VE SAID WE DON'T WANNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS AND SPEND THAT MONEY, UM, UM, JUST BECAUSE IT'S SPECULATIVE AND IT TAKES TIME.

AND WE'VE BEEN IN THIS FOR SINCE 2022, SO IT'S BEEN ABOUT FOUR YEARS JUST TO GET TO THIS POINT.

UM, WE'RE HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET AN APPROVAL RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT AND MOVE ON TO THE COUNCIL, SO WE CAN DO THAT.

AND THE, THE BIGGEST BENEFIT I THINK OF THIS, UH, APPLICATION IS ONE, IT MIRRORS THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE REST OF THE LOTS ACROSS THE STREET, THERE'LL BE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME SIZE AND THE SAME TYPE OF HOUSES, THE SAME SETBACKS.

UM, AND I THINK ANOTHER REALLY LARGE BENEFIT, UM, IS THAT, UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL WALL OFF THROUGH HOUSES, THROUGH LANDSCAPING, THROUGH OH EIGHT FOOT WALL.

UH, THESE HOMES WERE HAVING TO LOOK AT ARIZONA AVENUE EVERY TIME THEY COME INTO THE SUBDIVISION.

AND FOR SOME OF THE HOMES, THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR, THEIR VIEW IS OUT TOWARDS ARIZONA AVENUE.

I THINK IT'LL GIVE SOMETHING ATTRACTIVE RATHER THAN THE DIRT AND THE CARS WHIZZING BY.

AND THE NOISE THAT EXISTS TODAY.

UM, PART OF OUR PROPOSAL IS TO DO AN EIGHT FOOT WALL.

WE HAD STARTED WITH SIX FOOT.

SOME OF THE PEOPLE SAID, YOU OUGHT TO DO EIGHT.

WE LOOKED AT SEVEN, TALKED ABOUT INTERNALLY AND SAID, YOU KNOW, IF EIGHT GIVES A BETTER NOISE BUFFER, UH, WE'LL DO THAT.

SO WHEN THE STIPULATIONS IS, IS BEFORE WE CAN DO ANY OF THE LOT SPLITS, WE'LL HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, BUILD THAT WALL.

AND SO THAT'LL BE BUILT FAIRLY EARLY.

THE NICE THING WILL BE ONE CONSISTENT WALL BUILT, UM, ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

UH, SO WE'LL GIVE A CONSISTENT LOOK ALL THE WAY DOWN ARIZONA HAPPENING.

UM, THIS IS A, I GUESS ONE OF OUR MORE IMPORTANT SLIDES.

WHAT ARE THE CHANGES IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS? UH, WHEN WE STARTED, WE WERE AG ONE PAD STAFF.

IT SAID, WELL, THE LOTS ARE GONNA BE, UH, THAT SMALL AS 33,000 SQUARE FEET.

WE PROBABLY SHOULD DO SF 33.

AND WE SAW MERIT IN THAT.

WE DID SF 33.

AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAID, WE DON'T LIKE SOME OF THE SF 33 USES, AND WE LIKE THE FACT THAT IT'S AG ONE.

CAN YOU JUST DO A G ONE, UH, WITH A PAD? AND SO WE LOOKED AT SAYING, YES, WE'LL DO A PAD, WHICH IS ALL THE AG ONE STANDARDS EXCEPT FOR TWO.

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ONE IS THE LOT SIZES.

UH, THE MINIMUM LOT AREA ON AG ONE TYPICALLY IS 43,000 SQUARE FEET.

WE'RE ASKING FOR 33,000 SQUARE FEET.

SO I WOULD SAY THIS IS REALLY A PAD APPLICATION FOR LOTS OF 33,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT MATCHES THE, THE VAST BULK OF THET MAIN PARK COMMUNITY.

AND WE'LL MATCH THE HOMES THAT ARE THERE TODAY.

THE SECOND, UM, PART OF THIS IS 15 FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACKS, BOTH ON THE STREET AND ON SIDE YARDS.

IF WE GO BACK TO THE, UH, LOT LAYOUTS, UM, THE SIDE YARDS ARE BASICALLY GONNA BE BETWEEN OUR OWN LOTS.

BETWEEN LOTS, YOU KNOW, ONE AND TWO, TWO AND THREE, THREE AND FOUR, AND FIVE AND SIX.

UH, THAT'S THE, THE SIDE SIDE YARD SETBACKS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING FROM 15 TO 30.

AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ACTUALLY SUGGESTED.

WE HAD OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.

THEY LIKED THAT PART OF THE SF 33 STANDARD RATHER THAN THE 30 FOOT, BECAUSE IF THEY BUILD A LITTLE BIT WIDER HOUSE THAT'S MORE BLOCKING OF THE TRAFFIC AND THE, THE NOISE AND THE VIEW OF ARIZONA AVENUE.

AND THEY ALSO THOUGHT IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE THESE BE PLOTS THAT WOULD BE HOPEFULLY READILY BUILDABLE, UH, DO A BIG ENOUGH BUILDING ENVELOPE THAT SOMEBODY WILL COME IN AND WANNA DO A CUSTOM HOME HERE, UH, THAT WILL MATCH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THESE ARE PICTURES OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE ARE, UH, ALMOST ALL FLOOD IRRIGATED LOTS WITHIN, UM, THE, UH, GERMAIN PARK COMMUNITY.

UM, MR. BABCOCK AND I BOTH LIVE IN SORT OF CENTRAL PHOENIX ON IRRIGATED LOTS AND WE APPRECIATE, UH, THE BEAUTY AND THE, THE GREENERY AND THE CHEAP WATER.

THIS IS NOT TREATED SURFACE WATER.

THIS IS COMING RIGHT OUTTA THE CANAL, SOMETIMES HAS FISHING AND WATER.

AND THE NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID, IF IT'S ALL POSSIBLE, CAN YOU IRRIGATE THESE LOTS? AND WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

UH, WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET UNDERNEATH, UH, WASHINGTON STREET TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.

BUT IF WE CAN, WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR THESE LOTS.

UM, AND THIS IS A CALL CALLED THE EXISTING LOTS.

AND HERE'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.

UM, UH, THERE IS ONE EXISTING STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY.

IT'S AN OLD HOUSE BUILT IN, I THINK THE 1940S THAT WILL BE TORN DOWN.

UM, THE REST OF IT'S JUST DIRT.

AND, UH, WE DO APPRECIATE, I THINK THE NEIGHBORS, WE USE THIS FOR LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANUP LOT.

AND AFTERWARDS, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WENT AHEAD AND DRAG THE DIRT TO MAKE IT ALL NICE, NEAT AND CLEAN.

UH, THE BOTTOM PICTURE IS, TO ME THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE.

THIS IS LOOKING FROM WASHINGTON STREET OUT ACROSS THE LOTS.

AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IF YOU HAD A HOUSE THAT LOOKED IN THIS DIRECTION.

YOU WOULD SEE THOSE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND ALL THE TRAFFIC ON ARIZONA AVENUE.

UH, THE EIGHT FOOT WALL ALONE WILL BLOCK OFF A LOT OF THE, THE TRAFFIC VIEW AND THE TRAFFIC NOISE AND THE HOUSES AND THE LANDSCAPING WITH THOSE HOUSES WILL IMPROVE IT GREATLY.

UM, THIS IS, UH, A REVISION TO THE SEWER MEMO.

STAFF HAD ASKED US, WE SENT IT, WE THOUGHT IT CAME IN YESTERDAY, BUT MAYBE EXCEPT TO GET IT, UH, WE DID ASK STAFF TO AMEND THIS SLIDE.

SO THE ONE STAFF HAD SHOWED ANOTHER EIGHT LOTS GOING DOWN CAMPBELL AVENUE THAT, UH, COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE TO HOOK INTO THE, UH, THE SEWER.

AGAIN, MR. BABCOCK BELIEVED THAT TO DEVELOP THESE PROPERTIES, HE HAD TO BRING IN SEWER, IT WOULD MAKE THEM MORE, MORE DEVELOPABLE.

HE DID SO AND HAD A PAYBACK AGREEMENT THAT WOULD LAST 20 YEARS AND WOULD GO UNTIL, UM, 2037.

SO HE WAS BACK IN 2017, SO ANOTHER 11 YEARS FOR THAT AGREEMENT.

UM, HE, HE DID THAT JUST BECAUSE THAT WAS PART OF THE PROCESS THAT THE TOWN, UH, CITY HAD.

AND THERE WERE PROBABLY ABOUT ANOTHER, UM, I'D SAY ABOUT 35 LOTS, UM, THAT COULD HAVE HAD TO POTENTIALLY CONNECT IN.

UH, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY HE SPENT WAS $313,000.

AND THE AMOUNT THAT A PAYBACK WOULD BE FROM ANY HOUSE WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION DEVELOPED, DEPENDING ON LOT SIZE, IS ABOUT 10,700 PER ACRE.

UH, MOST OF THESE PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, YOU'RE STILL LOOKING PROBABLY ABOUT 7,500 TO $8,000 PER HOME WHEN THEY HAD TO CONNECT INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM THAT THEY'D HAVE TO PAY BACK TO MR. BABCOCK.

UM, HE SAID, I DIDN'T DO THIS TO GET ANY KIND OF PAYBACK.

AND AFTER THE FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, WE TALKED WITH THE STAFF, WE SAID WE DIDN'T DO IT TO GET A PAYBACK, AND WE'D BE GLAD TO TERMINATE HIS RIGHTS TO A PAYBACK.

SO WE DID THAT A FEW MONTHS BACK.

WE RECORDED TERMINATION.

MR. ALLEN WAS VERY QUICK TO HELP PUT THAT TOGETHER AND GET IT SIGNED.

AND SO, UH, WE DID THAT BEFORE WE HAD OUR SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.

AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORS WERE APPRECIATIVE.

AND WE DID WORK WITH STAFF TO LOOK AT AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME ANALYZING THE, THE ELEVATION AND HEIGHTS AND THE SIZES OF THE PIPES, UM, TO SEE HOW MANY OF THESE HOUSES ACTUALLY COULD CONNECT INTO THE SEWER THAT, THAT MR. BABCOCK BROUGHT IN THAT SEWER RIGHT NOW, UM, TERMINATES AT THE INTERSECTION OF WASHINGTON STREET AND, AND CAMPBELL.

THERE'S A LITTLE WHITE DOT RIGHT THERE.

UM, AND WHEN HE DEVELOPS, HE'LL HAVE TO EXTEND THAT UP TO THE NEXT WHITE DOT, UM, WHICH IS, I THINK RIGHT NEXT TO THE LOT B TWO AS IT'S CALLED.

UM, THE ONLY HOMES THAT CAN POSSIBLY CONNECT INTO THE FUTURE, AND THEY'LL ONLY BE REQUIRED IF THEIR SEPTIC SYSTEM FAILS, WILL BE THOSE, UM, UH, FOUR LOTS THAT ARE IN BLUE.

SO IT'S COME DOWN QUITE A BIT.

WE WISH WE COULD TELL THE, THAT NOBODY WOULD EVER HAVE TO CONNECT 'CAUSE PEOPLE REALLY DO LIKE THEIR SEPTIC TANK SYSTEMS OUT HERE.

BUT IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE TOWN CODE, AND I THINK THERE'S POLICIES IN THE CODE WHICH FAVOR

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AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT HERE TO FIGHT THAT, UH, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT AS PALLIATIVE AS WE CAN GIVEN THE PAST HISTORY OF HAVING PUT IN THE SEWER.

UM, CON CLOSING SOME OF THE BIG BENEFITS OF THE PROPOSAL.

ONE, THIS IS AN INFILL PROPERTY.

IT'S SAT FOR SINCE 1967.

UM, UH, THESE ARE, UH, THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED INFILL LOTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT IN CHARACTER SCALE DENSITY WITH THE EXISTING TAIN PARK COMMUNITY.

THESE HOMES WILL ESTABLISH A NOISE AND VISUAL BUFFER BETWEEN ARIZONA AVENUE AND THE EXISTING TAIN PARK HOMES.

THE HOMES WILL ENHANCE THE STREETS SCAPE PRESENCE ALONG ARIZONA AVENUE BY CREATING A DEFINED, ATTRACTIVE EDGE THAT WALL, UH, THAT SCREENS THE REAR AREAS FROM THE ROADWAY.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL MENTION IS THAT WE DID HAVE, UH, THROUGH, UM, MR. WEBSTER, I THINK A FEW OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT INTEREST IN AND STILL AMENDING THE SETBACKS TO ALLOW, UH, A 15 FOOT SETBACK ON THE REAR YARDS, WHICH WOULD BE THE SITES FACING ARIZONA AVENUE.

UH, WE DID ASK STAFF ABOUT THAT TODAY IN RESPONSE TO THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS.

UM, UH, I TALKED TO MR. BABCOCK ABOUT IT.

HE SAID, WELL, IF THAT HAPPENED, IT MIGHT GIVE A PLACE TO PARK A RV, YOU KNOW, UH, AN RV STORAGE SEPARATE, UH, UH, DETACHED STRUCTURE, WHICH USED, THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE THROUGHOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

'CAUSE THE LOT SIZES ALLOW THAT.

UM, SO IT'S NOT OUT IN FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S IN THE BACK.

STAFF GOT BACK TO SAID STAFF WOULD NOT FAVOR THAT BECAUSE THEY LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THAT BIGGER SEPARATION BETWEEN ARIZONA AVENUE AND STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY, THAT LITTLE BIT OF VISUAL OPEN SPACE.

SO THEY WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.

SO, UM, WE ARE SAYING WE'RE, UH, WE'RE SWITZERLAND ON THAT.

IF YOU LIKE THE 15 FEET, WE'D BE WILLING TO LOOK AT THAT.

IF YOU SAY, NO, WE LIKE 40, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.

UH, WE DID REALLY JUST TRY TO KEEP WITH THE AG G ONE STANDARDS.

THE ONLY STANDARDS WE HAD TO CHANGE WERE THE LOT SIZE, WHICH WE NEEDED TO DO THESE, UH, SPLITS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AND THE SIDE YARDS, WHICH THAT WAS, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD FEEDBACK THAT THEY THINK 15 FEET MORE FITS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WAS APPROPRIATE.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU MR. MILLER.

UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL, UM, PUT IT OUT TO THE COMMISSIONERS FIRST AND SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER, ANY QUESTIONS.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION, MR. SCHWARZER.

SO AS A PART OF THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS, YOU MENTIONED THE WALL, IS THERE GONNA BE ANY LANDSCAPING, UM, ALONG THAT WALL TO SOFTEN IT? IT'S THE EIGHT FOOT WALL THAT'S ADJACENT TO ARIZONA AVE.

IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S AN EIGHT FOOT WALL, YES.

UM, WE, UM, DON'T OWN THE RIGHTS TO MOST OF THE LAND TO THE SIDE.

IT'S ALL OWNED BY ADOT AND IT'S, IT'S A RETENTION BASIN AREA TODAY.

SO IT WOULD BE, UH, HARD TO LANDSCAPE.

UM, UH, ONE, WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT BECAUSE THEN WE'D HAVE TO DRAG UTILITIES, WATER LINES, ELECTRIC CONTROLLERS TO DO THE UTILITY BOXES, THE LITTLE, YOU KNOW, CONTROL BOXES TO, TO IRRIGATE THAT.

SO WE DID NOT HAVE PLANS TO DO THAT.

WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING NOT TO MAKE THIS LOOK LIKE IT'S A SUBDIVISION'S SEPARATE AND DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF TRAIN MAIN PARK.

UH, WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT IS THE REST OF MAIN PARK.

AND THE ONE THING THAT MAY BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IS IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT TALLER WALL, BUT IT'S GOT A TALLER WALL TO HELP DO A BOP AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THAT'S PROPOSED.

UNDERSTOOD.

CAN I ASK CITY STAFF, IS THERE ANY COORDINATION WITH ADOT FOR THIS PROJECT AT ALL? UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER SCHWARTZER? UH, NO.

THE, THIS PORTION OF ARIZONA AVENUE IS NOW OWNED BY THE CITY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

SO A IS NOT, UH, UM, THE OWNER ANYMORE.

SO IN THAT CASE, IS IT GONNA BE REQUIRED TO BE TO CITY OF CHANDLER LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS FOR STREET FRONTAGE? CORRECT.

'CAUSE I, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT THAT EIGHT FOOT WALL IS GONNA BE A STARK CONTRAST AND FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC IS GONNA BE LOOKING AT THIS WALL AND IT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE SOFTENED BY SOME LANDSCAPING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, DAN OR TOM WHO ARE ONLINE? OKAY.

UM, SO MR. MILLER, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UM, EARLIER, UH, WE HAD ASKED, UH, OR ONE OF US HAD ASKED ABOUT THE WIDTH OF THE DRY VI INTO THAT MOST SOUTHERN LOT.

DO YOU HAVE THAT OR YOUR ENGINEER HAVE THAT IN PLACE? YES.

IT'S, IT'S 20 FEET.

20 FEET.

AND I WAS GONNA MENTION THE ORIENTATION OF THAT LOT.

WE DID INITIALLY HAVE, UH, UH, THOSE LOTS, UM, SORT OF FACING KIND OF LIKE, IF YOU SEE THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS THAT MOST OF THOSE LOTS ARE, UM, NORTH FACING ON CAMPBELL AVENUE.

WE DID NORTH FACING LOTS.

UM, SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT IT'D BE BETTER TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THEM LIKE THE OTHER LOTS EAST, WEST FACING SO THAT THE FRONT FACES TO THE EAST, AND PARTICULARLY THE NEIGHBOR WHO'S CLOSEST, IT'D BE THIS F FOUR DESIGNATION ON THIS SEWER MAP.

BUT THAT NEIGHBOR HAD SAID, I'D RATHER SEE A A, YOU KNOW, A, WE CALL IT A PANHANDLE LOT, BUT A LOT WHERE THERE'S A DRIVEWAY THERE, IT'LL CREATE A LITTLE BIT

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BETTER SEPARATION.

AND INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT A, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S SIDE, YARD, WALL, I'D RATHER SEE IT BROKEN UP WITH, WITH TWO DIFFERENT HOMES FROM THAT VIEW, THAT'D BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE PERSON.

UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE CAME BACK WITH THIS, THIS PANHANDLE ORIENTATION.

IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR THE, THE REAR YARDS OF THOSE TWO HOMES TO BE ALONG ARIZONA AVENUE, WHICH IS PROBABLY BETTER THAN HAVING A SIDE YARD ON ONE HOME SIDE YARD.

MM-HMM .

UM, WITH THIS CLOSER SETBACKS OR TYPICALLY CLOSER SETBACKS, IT WOULD PROBABLY NOT FIT ALONGSIDE ARIZONA AVENUE.

SO WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD MIRROR AS YOU DRIVE DOWN ARIZONA AVENUE, SEEING THE BACKS OF ALL THESE SAME HOUSES AND THE SAME REAR YARD WALL FOR ALL THESE HOUSES.

UM, SO THE, ALTHOUGH I REALLY LOVE THIS SEWER MAP BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO BE A CIVIL ENGINEER, WOULD YOU MIND JUST BACKING UP TO, UM, THE PRIOR THANK YOU.

SO, UH, WILL LOT, ARE YOU SAYING THEN THAT LOT FIVE, THE HOME WILL FACE EAST WEST, AND WILL THEY ACCESS OFF OF THAT 20 FOOT DRY VILE OR YES.

YEAH, THE DRY VILE WILL BE, IN A SENSE, AN EASEMENT TO GET ICE.

THAT'S A LOT.

IT CAN HAVE AN EASEMENT THERE OR COULD HAVE ITS OWN SEPARATE DRIVEWAY.

WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED THE HOMES.

UM MM-HMM .

UM, ROSS IS NOT A BUILDER BY TRADE.

AGAIN, HE GOT INTO THIS TO HELP PUT IN A BUTTERFLY FARM, UH, FACILITY ORIGINALLY.

UM, HE, UH, UH, WE WE'RE, WE'RE FLEXIBLE.

WE PROBABLY LOOK AT THE BUILDER WHO COMES TO BUILD THESE LOTS.

OUR PLANS ARE AT LEAST TO SELL THE FIRST 1, 2, 3, 4, UH, TO ONE OF THE TWO PARTIES WHO ARE INTERESTED, WHO DIDN'T WANNA GO THROUGH REZONING.

UM, SO ONCE THESE ARE FULLY, UH, THROUGH THE LAND DIVISION PROCESS, UH, THEN WE LOOK TO SELL THOSE.

AND THEN, UM, FIVE AND SIX WOULD BE AT THE WHIM OF THE NEXT BUILDER.

BUT I AM ASSUMING YOU MIGHT SEE A DRIVEWAY LOAN FOR LOT SIX, OR YOU CAN SEE SHARED DRIVEWAYS.

UH, WHERE I CAME FROM, PARADISE VALLEY SHARED DRIVEWAYS WERE PRETTY COMMON JUST BECAUSE IT KEPT DOWN THE AMOUNT OF, UM, CONCRETE ASPHALT PAVERS.

PEOPLE SEEMED TO LIKE DOING THAT.

SO WE WOULD PROBABLY LEAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.

UH, SOME PEOPLE DON'T.

SO I'D ASSUME THERE MIGHT JUST BE A DRIVEWAY THAT COMES ONE DRIVEWAY IN A SECOND DRIVEWAY TO, TO GET INTO THAT PROPERTY.

OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO BE AS FAR AWAY FROM ARIZONA AVENUE AS POSSIBLE FOR THAT DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON FOR THIS ORIENTATION INSTEAD OF TWO LOTS WHERE THAT, THAT HOME, THAT WOULD BE, IF WE TOOK THESE AND PUT 'EM NORTH SOUTH, THAT HOME CLOSEST WOULD'VE A DRIVEWAY PRETTY CLOSE TO ARIZONA AVENUE, WHICH IS RIGHT.

GENERALLY NOT GOOD TRAFFIC PLANNING.

RIGHT.

SO POSSIBLE CONSOLIDATION TO THE ONE DRIVE AISLE ACCESS THROUGH AN EASEMENT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, QUICK QUESTION ON THE WALLS.

SO WILL THE DIVIDING LOT WALLS BETWEEN THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS ALSO BE THE EIGHT FOOT WALL? OR ARE YOU JUST PLANNING TO DO A STANDARD BUILDER WALL? I THINK THE STANDARD WALL BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT LOTS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

IT WAS JUST TO GIVE, UM, A LITTLE BIT BETTER NOISE, UH, BUFFER TO, TO THE HOMES THAT, THAT WAS, UH, SOME COMMENTS WE HEARD, UH, FROM SOME OF THE, THE RESIDENTS AS WELL.

SO WE WERE RESPONSIVE TO THAT.

WELL, UM, AND THEN WOULD YOU MIND GOING BACK TO THAT SEWER EXHIBIT? UM, SO ON THIS EXHIBIT I'M SEEING THE MAGENTA, UM, SERVICE STUBS OUT TO F1 THROUGH F FOUR.

UM, HAS MR. BABCOCK COMMITTED TO INSTALLING THOSE STUBS TO THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER'S RIGHT OF WAY LINES WITH HIS CONSTRUCTION PLANS? UM, WE HAVEN'T GOT THAT FAR.

WE WOULD DO WHATEVER CODE REQUIRES.

UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING ADDITIONAL THAT STAFF BELIEVES IS, IS NEEDED OR THEY'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, OR WE WERE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST NOT TO FORCE ANYBODY ELSE TO HAVE TO CONNECT TO THE SEWER.

UH, WE DID HEAR FROM ONE OF THE RESIDENTS WHO'S ALREADY HAD TO REDO THEIR SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT, UM, UH, AND WAS WITHIN THE 300 FEET THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO GET AN EXCEPTION BASED UPON SOME OF THE, THE, THE FACTORS THAT WERE LOOKED AT BY THE ENGINEERING STAFF.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW, EXTENDING THOSE JUST MAKES IT EVEN MORE FEASIBLE THAT THEY'D HAVE TO CONNECT OR NOT.

WE'RE, I THINK, FLEXIBLE ON HOWEVER, UH, STAFF AND THE, THE CITY CODES WOULD APPROACH THAT.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT ANYBODY FROM ENGINEERING, YOU CAN COMMENT ON THAT.

OH, PIECE, UH, MAGENTA, A LITTLE STUB OUTLINE.

SO THOSE REQUIRED BY CODE TO BE BUILT AT ONE EXTENDS THE SEWER ALSO SET ASIDE HI DANA VEZ, UM, THROUGH THE CHAIR.

UH, IT IS NOT REQUIRED.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ASKED APPLICANT TO DO SINCE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, GONNA HAVE CONSTRUCTION IN THAT ROADWAY.

IT MAKES SENSE TO JUST PUT THOSE IN NOW.

'CAUSE THOSE WOULD BE THE FOUR LOTS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED PER CODE TO CONNECT SHOULD THEY NEED TO EITHER UPSIZE THEIR SEWER OR SEPTIC OR IF IT FAILS.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED.

PROPERTY LINE, IS THE IDEA WITH THAT, THAT WAS OUR INTENT.

MM-HMM .

SO INSTALL IT NOW WHILE THEY'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, WHILE THE ROAD'S OPEN AND THEN JUST CAP THE END OF IT SO IT COULD OR, OR MAY NOT EVER NEED TO BE USED, BUT AT LEAST IT'S RIGHT THERE AT THEIR

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I THINK THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY QUESTIONS.

UM, MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE THAT SEWER REQUIREMENT OPTIONAL FOR THOSE FOUR HOMEOWNERS? UM, , UM, IT'D BE KIND OF A HERCULEAN EFFORT.

YOU'D HAVE TO AMEND THE, THE, UH, THE SEWER CODE, UH, TO CREATE AN EXCEPTION.

SO THIS IS JUST PURELY OUTTA THE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE SEWER CODE TODAY.

WE DID TALK TO STAFF ABOUT THAT, ABOUT DOING A, A CARVE OUT EXCEPTION IN THE SEWER CODE THAT WOULD, WOULD CALL OUT THAT CERTAIN RURAL LOTS, UH, YOU KNOW, SAY NORTH OF THE ARIZONA CANAL.

I'M SORRY, THE, UH, WHAT, HOW SAY ARIZONA CANS IN THE CANAL WESTERN WESTERN WESTERN, YEAH.

NORTH OF THE WESTERN CANAL WOULD NOT HAVE TO CONNECT.

UM, AND STAFF SAID, WE, WE JUST FEEL THAT'S KIND OF AN UNUSUAL, UH, AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE.

WE'D LIKE TO BE CONSISTENT AND NOT HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT, UM, AND UH, THEY, THEY, THEY'VE GOT A POLICY THAT SORT OF SUGGESTS WE'D LIKE PROPERTIES TO CONNECT WHEN THEY CAN.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT TO DIVERGE FROM.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN AN ATTORNEY FOR CITIES, YOU CARVE OUT AN EXCEPTION IN ONE PLACE, THEN YOU GOT OTHER PEOPLE AND OTHER PEOPLE AND, AND PRETTY SOON IT GETS KIND OF OUT OF CONTROL WITH PEOPLE SAYING, I WANT AN EXCEPTION.

'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO CONNECT.

SO, UM, I CAN SEE WHY THERE'D BE KIND OF A POLICY REASONS NOT TO, BUT WE, WE DID AS MUCH AS WE COULD TO LOWER THE COSTS BY GETTING RID OF THE PAYBACK AGREEMENT, BY DOING A LOT OF ENGINEERING ANALYSIS TODAY TO DETERMINE WHERE THE ELEVATIONS WERE.

THAT, AND THE PIPE SIZES THAT WOULD, UH, DECREASE FROM 12 LOTS POTENTIALLY DOWN TO, TO JUST FOUR.

UH, WHEN THEY DID THE ORIGINAL PAYBACK AGREEMENT, THERE WERE ABOUT 35 TO 36 LOTS THAT, THAT POTENTIALLY WOULD'VE HAD TO CONNECT.

UH, AND THAT'S HOW YOU GOT TO THAT 30 $313,000 LESS HIS OWN LOTS PAYBACK AMOUNT.

UM, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN RID OF THAT REQUIREMENT FOR ANYBODY AND IT WOULD AGAIN, LASTED THROUGH 2027.

DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? OKAY, GREAT.

DAN OR TOM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM YOU? OKAY, GREAT.

OH, DID HE SAY NOTHING? OKAY.

THANK YOU MR. MILLER.

UM, WE'LL OPEN NOW, UH, THE, THE OPEN THE MEETING TO THE PUBLIC.

UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE, I HAVE SOME CARDS UP HERE THAT I'LL BE CALLING UP OR I'LL BE CALLING ON YOU IN ORDER THAT I RECEIVED THEM.

UM, IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING, AGAIN, THESE YELLOW CARDS ARE IN THE BACK.

PLEASE GO AHEAD AND FILL THOSE OUT AND BRING THEM UP HERE TO THE FRONT.

ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND START WITH, UH, GAIL DEAL.

GAIL, IF YOU COULD COME UP AND PLEASE, UM, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

I'M GAY ODI.

I AM ONE OF THE FIVE STARS, UH, IN THE MIDDLE.

I'M SORRY.

I BOUGHT, BOUGHT MY HOUSE.

I'M SORRY.

ONE JUST, I WANNA SET THE PARAMETERS SO YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND YOU'LL SEE THE, UM, FOR EVERYONE WHO'S WANTING TO SPEAK, THERE'S LIGHTS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.

I'M LOST GREEN, YELLOW, AND RED.

SO WHEN THAT TURNS TO YELLOW, YOU HAVE A FEW MORE SECONDS.

I GOTCHA.

IT'S RED.

YOUR THREE MINUTES WILL BE DONE.

GOTCHA.

I'LL KEEP IT, I'LL KEEP IT SHORT.

THANK YOU SIR.

GO FOR IT.

I BOUGHT IN 69 OUT THERE.

I BUILT THE HOUSE IN 70.

I BUILT MY SECOND HOUSE IN 85 FROM MY IN-LAWS.

WHEN I BOUGHT MY PROPERTY, I HAD TWO ACRES.

I OWNED HALF OF THE DIRT ROAD.

NOW THE CITY OF CHANDLER'S TAKING THAT AWAY FROM ME.

I DON'T HAVE MY TWO ACRES.

I'VE GOT TWO HOUSES.

I'M NOT GONNA LIVE FOREVER.

I GOT 14 MORE YEARS TO LIVE AND THEN I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO MY KIDS.

NOW.

I GOT TWO HOUSES.

HOW DO I DISPOSE OF 'EM? BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PROPERTY.

I HOPE YOU, UH, WILL PASS, UH, WHAT MR. BABCOCK IS TRYING TO DO.

I'D LOVE TO HAVE HIS HOUSES UP THERE INSTEAD OF DIRT LOTS.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

I'M IN FAVOR OF IT.

THANK YOU MR. DEAL.

WE APPRECIATE YOU YET.

UM, NOW I'D LIKE TO CALL FORWARD, UH, MR. JOHN WEBSTER.

AND PROPERTY AND IN THEIR MANAGEMENT.

JOHN.

IF YOU COULD COME FORWARD, UM, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

AS I MENTIONED, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

UM, WHEN THE LIGHT TURNS YELLOW, YOU'LL HAVE A FEW MORE SECONDS YOU CAN WRAP UP AND THEN IT'LL BE RED JOHN WEBSTER, 3, 2 4 EAST TREMAIN DRIVE.

UM, SO A TRUE FOUNDATION OF A REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT IS THE EQUAL RIGHT OF EVERY CITIZEN IN HIS PERSON

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MANAGEMENT.

THAT WAS A, A GUY THAT WE KNOW THOMAS JEFFERSON.

AND, UH, SOMETIMES OUR GOVERNMENT GETS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THEIR DRIVING LANE.

UH, A LITTLE OVERREGULATING.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, I APPROACHED THE CITY WHEN MR. BABCOCK WAS LOOKING AT SF 33, KNOWING THE CITY HAD DRIVEN THE CHANGE TO SF 33.

AND I SAID AG ONE WITH LOT SIZES THAT ARE THE SAME AS WHAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HOOD HAS, UH, PREDOMINANTLY LESS THAN ONE ACRE, WHICH IS LEGAL NONCONFORMING, UH, SEEMS APPROPRIATE.

UM, BUT WE HAVE 85% PLUS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS LEGAL NONCONFORMING BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE.

I WANT TO SEE, AND WHY I GAVE YOU GUYS A DOCUMENT WAS I WANNA SEE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF MR. BABCOCK'S PAD BE A TEMPLATE THAT COULD, UH, TEMPLATE ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF NEIGHBORS WANTED TO BE PAD OVERLAID WITH AG ONE, THEY COULD BECOME CONFORMING.

AND SO WE'VE GOT LOTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE DOWN TO 30 1006 65 IN LOT SIZE.

THAT'S WHY I PUT 31,600 AS A MINIMUM LOT SIZE.

IT WON'T GIVE MR BABCOCK ANY MORE LOTS THAN HE'S CURRENTLY ASKING FOR, BUT IT WOULD LAY THE TEMPLATE THAT WOULD BE FITTING TO, TO MAKE ALL LEGAL NONCONFORMING LOTS POTENTIALLY CONFORMING.

RIGHT.

AND, AND, AND LEGAL AND, UH, THE SETBACKS.

UH, I REQUESTED, UH, THAT IT, AND WE'VE HAD MEETINGS AMONGST THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, TALKED TO 20, UH, FIVE PLUS OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAD TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WHERE, UH, UH, OVER 20, UH, RESIDENTS, UH, CAME AND PARTICIPATED.

WE TALKED THROUGH DETAILS OF 15 FOOT SIDE SETBACKS, 15 FOOT REAR SETBACKS.

WHAT YOU'LL FIND IS MR. BABCOCK'S LOTS AGAINST ARIZONA AVENUE ARE MUCH SHORTER IN DEPTH THAN OUR AVERAGE LOT.

AND I FEEL CONFINED TO NOT HAVING THE USE OF THE CENTER OF MY LOT WITH A MUCH DEEPER LOT THAN HE HAS.

THEREFORE, WE NEED 15 FOOT REAR SETBACKS IN ORDER TO HELP WITH THAT.

THERE'S, UH, ONGOING PROBLEMS WITH THE SEWER AGREEMENT THAT TOOK PLACE BECAUSE THE CITY AND, AND YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THE FOUR LOTS THAT MAY BE AFFECTED BY SEWER TIE-IN BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THAT THEY HAVE TO HOOK UP BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET A DO NOT SERVE LETTER FROM THE CITY.

IT'S THAT THEY HAVE TO THEN RUN THE SEWER LINES AND PUT IN THE MANHOLE AND RUN IT TO THE FURTHEST EXTENT OF THEIR LOT.

AND, UH, THAT COST, WHEN YOU CHECK WITH YOUR CITY ENGINEERS WHAT THE COST IS FOR A TIE IN IMPACT FEES DEVELOPMENT OF 300 FEET OF SEWER LINE IN A MANHOLE, UH, IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.

SO I, I RECOMMEND THAT INSTEAD OF THE CITY LOOKING AT A 2 0 7 CASE, THEY PROBABLY SHOULD LOOK AT CREATING A WAY FOR AN OPTIONAL DO NOT SERVE LETTER.

SO THAT IF SOMEONE IS IMPACTED BY THEIR SEPTIC FAILURE, THEY CAN GO BACK TO THE COUNTY TO DO REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENT OF THEIR SEPTIC SYSTEM IF THEY WISH TO, IF THEY WANNA TIE INTO THE CITY SEWER, BY ALL MEANS.

BUT THE RESIDENTS WERE NOT A PART OF THAT SEWER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND IT WAS MAPPED OUT AS THOUGH IT WAS A RESIDENT, UH, PLAN PROJECT.

OKAY, GREAT.

UM, SO YOUR THREE MINUTES IS, IS UP.

CAN I HAVE YOU WRAP UP YOUR THOUGHTS IN JUST A FEW SECONDS PLEASE? UH, I, UH, I HAVE ANOTHER CARD IN THERE FOR SOMEONE THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE ME THEIR TIME IF YOU'RE WILLING TO ALLOW THAT.

WERE ALLOWED UNDER COUNTY, UH, PLANNING BECAUSE OUR SETBACKS WERE SMALLER WHEN WE HAD, UH, WHEN WE HAD COUNTY AND WE HAD STREET.

I HAVE A CARD FROM MEGAN WEBSTER.

YES, MA'AM.

SPEAK.

YES, MA'AM.

SO, UM, I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OVER, SO I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER TWO MINUTES.

THAT'LL BE FINE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

SO, GAIL DEALS, UH, SITUATION WAS ONE THAT I RAN INTO AS I, I LOOKED AT THE WHOLE SCOPE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NON-CONFORMING LOTS.

I ASKED WHAT GAIL'S PLANS WERE WHEN HE GRADUATED FROM THIS, THIS PLANET.

AND HE, HE SAID, GIVE ONE TO MY WI OR MY DAUGHTER, MY SON.

AND I SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE A MAGICAL LOT LINE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.

AND AT 1.75 ACRES, THE CITY WON'T ALLOW THAT LOT TO BE DIVIDED INTO TWO GREATER THAN ONE ACRE LOTS.

UH, THAT'S PART OF WHY THIS PAD OVERLAY AND LAYING THE TEMPLATE THAT COULD CARRY ACROSS THE LOTS THAT WANTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

UH, ALSO FITTING IN SOME OF THE SIDE BOUNDARY LINES THAT

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SO YOU'LL SEE, I I, I REDUCED THE, UH, OR I INCREASED THE LOT COVERAGE FROM 40% TO 50%.

THAT'S BECAUSE WE LOST ABOUT 20% OF OUR LOT SIZE TO THE STREET.

WHEN THE CITY TOOK THE STREET, THEY TOOK THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE OFF THE LOTS.

AND SO I, I PUT IN THE TEMPLATE, 50% LOT COVERAGE, 15 FOOT SIDE SETBACKS, 15 FOOT REAR, AND, UH, AND MAINTAINING THE AG ONE FRONT, UH, SETBACKS.

UM, I, OUR, OUR HOPE IN GETTING THE DETAILS RIGHT ON THIS ONE, WHICH IS ADJUSTING A FEW DETAILS, COULD HELP TO CARRY IT ACROSS AND BRING CONFORMITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE.

THANK YOU MR. WEBSTER.

APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR FEEDBACK AND OKAY.

IT SOUNDED TO ME AS THOUGH YOU WERE WRAPPING UP WITH YOUR THOUGHTS.

THANKS VERY MUCH.

YEAH.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WONDERFUL.

I HAVE A, A JOSH STEELE.

YEAH, JOSH STEELE.

UM, YOU'RE GIVING YOUR TIME TO MR. WEBSTER IF YES, IF, IF NEEDED.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, IF, IF THE, UH, PLANNING COMMITTEE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS? THOMAS? IT'S UP TO THE CHAIR.

I, I PREFER TO YOU IF YOU'D WANT TO DO THAT.

MR. SWAR, NORMALLY WE GO THROUGH THE RESIDENCE, UH, ALL THE WAY, BUT OKAY.

YOU'RE PROVIDING, LET'S DO THAT AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND SEE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

THANK YOU MR. WEBSTER.

APPRECIATE IT.

ALRIGHT, I HAVE, UM, MY NEXT CARD IS FROM ROBIN ANDERSON.

ROBIN, WOULD YOU LIKE OKAY, WONDERFUL.

I JUST NEEDED A LITTLE WATER.

OH, OF COURSE.

PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.

UM, AND THEN AS MENTIONED, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTES.

AND YOU'LL GET THE YELLOW AND RED WARNING.

GOTCHA.

HELLO, MY NAME, OH, SORRY, .

MY NAME IS ROBIN ANDERSON.

I LIVE AT 2 48 EAST CAMPBELL ROAD IN THE TREMAINE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I'M ATTENDING THIS MEETING TONIGHT TO REGISTER MY OBJECTION, MY OBJECTION.

AS A RESIDENT TO THE PLANNING AND REZONING PETITION CONCERNING ARIZONA AVENUE AND GUADALUPE ROAD, I RESPECTFULLY URGE THE COMMISSION NOT TO ADVANCE REZONING IN THIS INSTANCE BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS STATED HE DOES NOT INTEND TO BUILD ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY PERMITTING REZONING FOR A PARTY THAT IS NOT THE PROSPECTIVE OWNER BUILDER IS PROCEDURALLY AND SUBSTANTIAL SUBSTANTIVELY IMPROPER REZONING DETERMINATIONS SHOULD BE MADE WHEN THE ACTUAL OWNER DEVELOPER INTENDS TO PROCEED WITH THAT SO THAT THE PRO PROPOSED SITE DEVELOPMENT CAN BE FULLY AND ACCURATELY VETTED.

I'VE ALREADY HEARD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSED OR EVEN LOOKED INTO VERY MUCH BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A, AN IDEA AND NOT AN ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO THAT, DOESN'T EVEN OWN THE PROPERTY.

YET.

APPROVING REZONING NOW MERELY TRANSFERS THE BURDEN OF REVIEW TO A FUTURE PARTY AND RISKS REPEATED PIECEMEAL REVIEW OF THE SAME LOTS.

AND THEN AS A MEMBER OF THE TBA PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ATTEST THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS NOT HIRED OR ELECTED ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THE BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, ANYONE THAT DOES ASSERT, THEY ARE SPEAKING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GIVING FALSE ATTRIBUTION.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROGRESSION OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO THIS POINT WITH THE ATTORNEY STATING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S IN CONSES CONSENSUS.

I THINK I'VE BEEN TO BOTH OF THE MEETINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, OVER THE YEARS, AND I WOULD SAY 19 PEOPLE IS NOT A REFLECTION OF THE 80 PLUS HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOR DOES IT AT ALL DEMONSTRATE A MAJORITY CONSENSUS.

SO AS POINTS I'D LIKE TO BRING UP THANK YOU.

AND THE FINAL SPEAKER CARD THAT I HAVE HERE, UM, UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO FILL OUT A CARD AND BRING IT ON UP, UH, THE LAST ONE I HAVE IS FROM ZOE ALTO.

HI ZOE.

HELLO.

CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

UH, MY NAME IS ZOE ALTO.

I LIVE AT 2 2 5 EAST CAMPO ROAD.

UM, IT'S A BIT OF A

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MINOR QUESTION REALLY.

UM, PROB PROBABLY MORE TOWARDS THE ACTUAL SUBDIVISIONS, BUT THE EIGHT FOOT WALL AND THE TERRAFORMING OR THE TERRAIN THAT WOULD GO ON AROUND THAT.

I HAVE A FEW CONCERNS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF IT OBSTRUCTING THE VIEW WHEN YOU'RE TURNING LEFT OUT OF CAMPBELL ONTO THE STREET AND IT BEING A POSSIBLE ISSUE FOR TRAFFIC AS WELL AS ACCIDENTS.

AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY WAY IT COULD BE LIKE GUARANTEED IT WON'T BE LIKE FULLY OBSTRUCTIVE TO THE VIEWS FOR SEEING ANY ONCOMING BIKERS OFF OF THE, THE CANAL AS WELL AS JUST GENERAL SAFETY PURPOSES.

ARE YOU REFERRING TO AS YOU'RE TURNING OUT OF THE COMMUNITY? YES, OUT ONTO ARIZONA.

OKAY, GREAT.

WE WILL DEFINITELY GET THAT QUESTION ANSWERED.

DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I BELIEVE THAT WAS IT.

AND CHAIR, WE DO HAVE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER HERE.

IF, UM, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THAT.

YES, I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT.

THANK YOU THOMAS.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

UM, AS FAR AS THAT, WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT IN THE DESIGN PROCESS.

SO WE WOULD, UM, NOT ALLOW A WALL THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THAT SITE DISTANCE.

OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA MAINTAIN SAFETY THERE, SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE'LL LOOK FOR AS WE GET DEVELOPMENT PLANS IN.

SO THEY'LL CHAM FOR THE WALL OR SET IT BACK SO THAT TURNING MOVEMENTS AREN'T OBSTRUCTED? YEP.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, ZOE.

UM, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS, UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO COMMISSION QUESTIONS, COMMISSION.

SURE.

UH, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT WAS GONNA GIVE UP HIS TIME, BUT IT WASN'T NEEDED.

DOES HE STILL WANT TO TALK? OH, UM, WAS THAT JOSH, MR. STEELE? OH NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

UM, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, AT THIS POINT IN TIME FOR, UM, EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT OR ANY OF THE SPEAKERS? ONE, ONE CHAIR, ONE FINAL QUESTION.

UH, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH ONSITE RETENTION, UM, FOR THIS PROPERTY? IS IT EXPECTED THAT ALL THE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS ARE GONNA HAVE ONSITE RETENTION OR IS IT DRAINING OFFSITE INTO THE STREET, INTO THE ROAD ONSITE ONSITE RETENTION.

NOW, IS THERE ANY CONCERN ON THE CITY SIDE WITH THE INCREASED REQUEST FOR, UM, BUILDING COVERAGE FOR ONSITE RETENTION? IS THERE, IS THERE ANY CONCERNS IN REGARD TO THE SITE CHANGE THERE? UM, THROUGH THE CHAIR? COMMISSIONER SCHWARTZER, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE, UH, REQUEST TO INCREASE LOT COVERAGE TO 50%? CORRECT.

UH, STAFF WOULD BE, UM, IN SUPPORT OF KEEPING IT AT 40%, UH, JUST TO BE CONSISTENT WITH, WITH ALL AG ONE PROPERTIES.

UM, AND I THINK HAVING THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LARGE SIZE LOTS THERE, 40% WOULD BE MORE THAN ENOUGH TO, TO ADD ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES IN THE BACKYARD AND, AND ADDITIONS TO THE HOUSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHILE KEEPING THE ONSITE RETENTION AS CORRECT.

OKAY, GOTCHA.

UNDERSTOOD.

UH, TOM OR DAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THIS IS TOM.

I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

NO QUESTIONS, CHAIR.

THE WALL, UM, AND ANY LANDSCAPING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE WALL.

UM, ALL RIGHT, SO JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, DAVID, UH, COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHAT THE NEXT STEPS IN THE PROCESS WOULD BE FOR WHOMEVER, WHETHER IT'S THE LANDOWNER OR A FUTURE DEVELOPER, ONCE PROPERTIES ARE REZONED? UM, WHAT IS THE PROCESS FROM THERE TO GET IT TO A POINT WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY DEVELOPED AND CONSTRUCTED AND BUILT, UM, THE REZONING BEING THE FIRST STEP, BUT THEN FROM THERE, THERE ARE SOME OTHER PROCESSES THAT ANYONE WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH TO, TO ACTUALLY DEVELOP THESE LOTS? UH, YES, CHAIR.

UM, SO THE AFTER, IF AND WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE ZONING, UM, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO REPL THOSE, THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES.

UM, STAFF WOULD REVIEW THE, THE PLAT THERE, THERE'D BE A PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THEN, UH, A FINAL PLAT APPROVED AND OR REVIEWED AND, AND APPROVED.

AND DURING THAT PROCESS, STAFF WOULD MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, ARE BEING MET, ALL THE CITY CODE REQUIREMENTS AND INCLUDING THE, UH, SITE VISIBILITY THAT, UH, THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP BEFORE, UM, SETBACKS FOR THE WALL, YOU KNOW, EASEMENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO AFTER THOSE PLANS ARE APPROVED, UM, THEN THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, A PERMIT IN, IN CONSTRUCTION AND BEGIN INSTALLING THE SEWER, INSTALLING THE, THE,

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AND AT THAT POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, AT ONCE THEY'RE FINISHED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION, AT THAT POINT, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SELL OFF THOSE LOTS, UH, FOR INDIVIDUAL, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

SO IN A NUTSHELL, ONCE THE REZONING IS IN PLACE, YOU'LL USE THAT AS FUTURE DOCUMENTS COME THROUGH TO A STAFF LEVEL FOR REVIEW OF THINGS LIKE YOU MENTIONED, PLATS, CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND SO FORTH, TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN CONFORMANCE WITH BOTH CITY CODES AS WELL AS THE ANY APPROVED PAD.

THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, I THINK I'LL GO TO THE APPLICANT.

UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND, OR APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES OR ENGINEER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC MEETING? CHAIRMAN COLE SHIELD WITH COMMISSION, UM, UH, WE THINK, UH, THAT STAFF DID A REALLY THOROUGH JOB OF REVIEW AND IN, IN LAYING THIS OUT.

AND WE DID GET A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK, FEEDBACK.

I WILL SAY THAT, THAT, THAT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE STANDARDS, WE DID GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT, THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE 15, BUT WE DIDN'T HEAR A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO THAT.

UM, THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW LETTERS SAYING THAT SOME PEOPLE STILL LIKE WHATEVER AG ONE IS, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT COMPETING INTERESTS WHERE PEOPLE SAY, NO, WE'D RATHER HAVE IT MATCH WHAT'S EXISTING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS AG ONE.

UH, WE TRIED TO KEEP AS MANY OF THE AG G ONE STANDARDS AS WE COULD, BUT WE DID WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE TO, UM, A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT, WHICH IS THAT THEY THOUGHT THE 15 FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACKS WOULD BE BETTER FOR THESE PARTICULAR LOTS MOSTLY.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF THE LOTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUILT OUT CURRENTLY HAVE.

AND AGAIN, AS MR. WEBSTER SAID, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, PUTTING MR. DALE LOOKING AT THIS AND SAYING, IF I WANNA SPLIT MY LOT IN THE FUTURE, IF I WANT MY LOT TO BE CONFORMING, CAN WE DO A APPLICATION AS A BUNCH OF NEIGHBORS TOGETHER, UH, NOT OUR APPLICATION, BUT THEIR OWN, UH, TO, TO MIRROR SOME OF WHAT'S, WHAT'S PART OF OUR PROPOSAL.

AND THAT'S, I THINK WHY THEY'VE ASKED FOR SOME OF THOSE CHANGES.

SO WE'RE CONTEMPT WITH WHAT WE'VE REQUESTED AND, UM, WITH THE STIPULATIONS THIS STEPH HAS RECOMMENDED ALREADY.

THANK YOU MR. MILLER.

ALRIGHT.

UM, I'M CALLING, GOING TO GO AHEAD AND, AND CLOSE THE FLOOR UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR THOSE WHO WOULD WISH TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK.

ALRIGHT.

SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE FLOOR.

UM, AND WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO COMMISSION DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS.

UM, IS THERE ANY FEEDBACK OR DISCUSSION THAT YOU'D LIKE TO BRING FORWARD ON THIS CHAIR? YES.

UH, JUST WANNA MAKE COMMENT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, A THANK YOU TO THE NEIGHBORS FOR COMING OUT AND EXPRESSING YOUR CONCERNS AND, UM, EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN NOTED IN THE MEETING TODAY.

UH, GENERALLY I THINK THAT IT HELPS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALL, ALL IN ALL TO SEE NEIGHBORS COME OUT EITHER IN SUPPORT OR EXPRESSING THEIR CONCERNS.

SO THANK YOU TO, TO THE NEIGHBORS FOR GETTING, BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS WITH THIS COMMUNITY.

UM, IN GENERAL, I THINK, UM, THIS USE IS ACTUALLY THE PROBABLY ONE OF THE BETTER SUITED USES.

UM, IT'S MUCH BETTER THAN THE ALTERNATIVE TOWN HOMES OR ANOTHER PRODUCT THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY GO IN ON THIS SITE.

SO, UM, I GENERALLY THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD PLAN, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT LOTS B FIVE AND B SIX FEEL A BIT FORCED AND I WOULD URGE US TO RECONSIDER MAYBE LEAVING THAT AS A LARGER LOT IN THAT CASE.

BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, I THINK IT'S GENERALLY A GOOD PLAN, SO.

RYAN, TOM, OR DAN, ANY COMMENTS FROM EITHER OF YOU? UH, THIS IS TOM.

UM, I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I, AFTER REVIEWING THE, THE PLANS, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, KICK AROUND DIFFERENT IDEAS OF WHAT COULD GO ON THE SITE FOR MANY YEARS NOW.

AND I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE CLOSEST THAT I'VE EVER SEEN TO MIRRORING WHAT IS, UH, EXISTING THERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND RESPECTING LARGE LOTS.

UM, AND, AND I, I, I LIKE THE FACT THAT A DEVELOPER HAS BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, TO PUT LARGE LOTS ON THAT SITE.

DAN.

ANY COMMENTS? NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM ME.

UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY ECHO, UM, WHAT MR. SCHWARTZER HAD TO SAY AS FAR AS, UM, ENGAGEMENT AND PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT AND, UM, COMING TOGETHER, WHETHER YOU ARE FOR OR AGAINST, UM, REALLY, YOU KNOW, COMING TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE ALL STRIVE FOR AT THE END OF THE DAY AND WE DON'T ALWAYS GET EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT.

LIKE I TELL MY KIDS, THEY DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT THEY THINK THEY WANT, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK IF WE CAN FIND WAYS TO FIND COMMON GROUND, UM, AND WORK TOGETHER AND BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, I DO REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THE TIME THAT IT APPEARS THAT YOU'VE PUT IN AND THE EFFORT, UM, TO

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BE THOUGHTFUL ON THIS.

THANK YOU TO MR. BABCOCK AND MS. BABCOCK.

UM, AND TO YOUR STAFF, UM, OR YOUR CONSULTANTS.

SORRY.

UM, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO, I THINK, HIGHLIGHT, UM, IS IF YOU WOULD REALLY WORK CLOSELY WITH STAFF AND PERHAPS, UM, ENGAGING THOSE FOUR NEIGHBORS ON F1 THROUGH F FOUR ON THOSE FUTURE, WHAT I WOULD CALL FUTURE TIE IN OPTIONS FOR THEM, UM, DOING THOSE NOW, INSTALLING THEM NOW, UH, REALLY SAVES ON THE FUTURE.

JUST HAVE IT RIGHT AT YOUR PROPERTY LINE AS AN OPTION.

IF THE SEWER, UM, IF THE SEWER, UH, SEPTIC SYSTEMS ARE NO LONGER VIABLE OR YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GET AN ALTERNATIVE OPTION FROM THE CITY, UM, TO HAVE THAT STUB RIGHT THERE AND NOT HAVING TO DIG UP A STREET AND PUT THAT IN, UM, IT REALLY WOULD BE MOST EFFICIENT TO DO THAT NOW.

SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, MR. BABCOCK AND YOUR TEAM TO WORK WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS AND TO FULLY UNDERSTAND AND HELP THOSE NEIGHBORS UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT THAT BENEFIT MAY BE FOR THEM IN THE FUTURE.

SO, UM, UH, CHAIR IF I MAY JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ARE, ARE YOU REQUESTING THAT A STIP BE ADDED TO THE ZONING TO THAT EFFECT? I'M NOT NECESSARILY REQUESTING A STIP, I'M JUST EXPRESSING MY EXPERIENCE, UM, IN THE INDUSTRY.

AND WHAT I, I FEEL IS NOW IS THE TIME TO PUT THOSE IN AS FUTURE OPTIONS.

BUT AGAIN, I I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE ADD IT AS A STIPULATION.

I'D LIKE THEM TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE PROCESS COULD BE IN THE FUTURE IF THEIR SEPTIC FAILS.

SO WITH THAT, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION, NO OTHER DISCUSSION.

TO, UH, MEMBER COMMENTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR OUR ACTION ITEM? AND I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER UP HERE.

WELL, I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND LET WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION MENTION THE, UH, ACTUAL NUMBER.

UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR ACTION ITEM NUMBER THREE? CHAIR? YES, SIR.

MOTION TO APPROVE ACTION ITEM NUMBER THREE AS PRESENTED.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

SECOND.

BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPROVE PLH 25 DASH 0 0 0 6 ARIZONA AVENUE AND GUADALUPE ROAD, UH, REZONING TO AG ONE PAD AYE.

AYE.

ALL IN FAVOR? OH, SORRY.

ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE FIVE TO ONE.

THE UM, ACTION ITEM IS PROVED.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

ALRIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON

[ Member Comments/Staff Comments/Announcements]

DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSION MEMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? OKAY.

STAFF COMMENTS OR ANNOUNCEMENTS? NO.

REGULAR MEETING IS GONNA BE ON WEDNESDAY, JUNE 17TH, RIGHT HERE IN THESE CHAMBERS.

ALRIGHT.

UM, WELL I JUST WANT TO MAKE A NOTE THAT OUR COMMISSION IS A RECOMMENDING BODY TO OUR CITY COUNCIL.

UM, SO FOR ANY OF YOU WHO WOULD BE, UM, INTERESTED IN PROVIDING FURTHER FEEDBACK, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL MAKE THE FINAL DETERMINATION ON THIS PARTICULAR, ACTUALLY ON EVERYTHING ON OUR AGENDA TODAY.

SO, UM, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU CHECK THE SCHEDULE, CHECK WITH STAFF IF YOU NEED TO ON WHEN THE COUNCIL DATE AND WHEN THIS WILL BE ON THEIR HEARING SCHEDULE.

THAT'S WHEN THE FINAL DECISION WILL ACTUALLY BE MADE.

SO DID I GET THAT RIGHT? OKAY, GREAT.

UM, OKAY, SO OUR NEXT

[6. The next meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission will be held on June 17, 2026 in the Chandler City Council Chambers located at 88 E. Chicago St, Chandler.]

AND WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYONE BACK THEN.