* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] GOOD EVENING, [ Call to Order] AND WELCOME TO THE MAY 21ST CHANDLER CITY COUNCIL MEETING. UH, WELCOME EVERYBODY. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL OUR MEETING TO ORDER AND CLERK, PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE. MAYOR HARTKE HERE, VICE MAYOR ENCINA. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS HERE. AND HAWKINS IS ABSENT. EXCUSED. WE HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. IS PASTOR RUTH ESCOBAR, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY, I DIDN'T THINK SO. COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISTINE ELLIS WILL LEAD US IN OUR INDICATION AND OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON. PLEASE RISE AS I PRAY. THANK YOU. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENCE IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW. HOLY SPIRIT, WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE US THE WISDOM AND THE KNOWLEDGE THAT WE NEED AS WE MAKE THE DECISION TONIGHT FOR WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY OF CHANDLER. WE ASK FATHER THAT ANGELS WILL LINK CAMP AROUND THIS PLACE RIGHT NOW. WE, AND DECLARE THAT THOUGH EVERYTHING WE LEGISLATE IN THIS PLACE WILL BE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE PEOPLE OF CHANDLER FATHER, WE ASK THAT AS WE STAND IN THE GAP FOR THIS CITY, THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO BE WITH US. THAT EVERY STEP IS ORDERED BY YOU. MAY YOUR NAME BE GLORIFIED INTO THIS CHAMBER TONIGHT WE DECREE AND DECLARE, FATHER, THAT YOU ARE SENDING ANGELS AS THEY ARE SENDING THIS, SENDING THIS PLACE RIGHT NOW TO LEGISLATE WITH US AND GUIDE US AND PROTECT US AND PROTECT THE CITY OF CHANDLER. IN JESUS' NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE WITH PRIDE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH HE STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER AND COUNCIL MEMBER COUNSEL. I'VE GOT, UH, A LOT OF SPEAKER CARDS FOR ITEM NUMBER 14. SO I, I'M PLANNING ON PULLING THAT AND PUTTING IT AN ACTION AT THE END. WE DO HAVE, UH, TONIGHT A CONSENT AGENDA TO PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, AND ACTION AS WELL AS THE APPROVAL OF THE DOWNTOWN ANNUAL ASSESSMENT AS WELL AS THE ADOPTING THE, UH, TENTATIVE BUDGET. SO, QUITE A FEW THINGS ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. BEFORE WE GET TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, DID ONE ASK, DO YOU HAVE ANY OF OUR MAYOR'S, YOUTH COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT THAT ARE BEING APPROVED TONIGHT? ANYONE FROM OUR STAND ON UP? STAND ON UP. BE BOLD. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU GUYS FOR APPLYING TO SERVE ON OUR YOUTH COMMISSION. BEFORE WE, [ Consent Agenda Items listed on the Consent Agenda may be enacted by one motion and one vote. If a discussion is required by members of the governing body, the item will be removed from the Consent Agenda for discussion and determination will be made if the item will be considered separately. Proposed Motion: Move to approve the Consent Agenda of the May 21, 2026, Regular Meeting, Items 1 - 16.] UM, ALSO GET TO, UM, LOOKING AT THE CONSENT AGENDA, I'M GOING TO GIVE, UH, TWO MINUTES FOR SPEAKING REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS TONIGHT. AND, UH, SO THE, THERE WILL BE A GREEN LIGHT UP HERE. WHEN YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT, IT WILL TURN TO YELLOW. WHEN IT IS, WHEN IT IS TURNS RED, THAT'S YOUR SIGNAL TO FINISH YOUR SENTENCE, NOT YOUR, NOT WHAT YOU HAVE PREPARED. SO BE READY FOR THAT. UM, I DO HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS THAT ARE RELATED. TWO CONSENT. UM, ONE ON ITEM 13, WHICH IS THE BIRD ORDINANCE, AND THE OTHER IS ITEM 16, WHICH I'D, I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK UP IN A MINUTE, BUT WHICH ONE IS THAT ONE? OKAY, THE WATER MAINTENANCE. VERY GOOD. SO CONSENT ITEM ON ITEM NUMBER 13, THA MARTIN, THA STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY WHERE YOU RESIDE AND YOU HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHT. YES, MY NAME IS, UH, DAVID THA MARTIN. I LIVE HERE IN, UH, CHANDLER, ARIZONA. AND, UH, I'VE, UH, BEEN DEALING WITH A NUISANCE BIRD ISSUE FOR OVER A YEAR AND A HALF. I STARTED THIS, UH, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND BRINGING IT TO THE COUNCIL. AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE FOR OVER THREE YEARS. THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP AND IT'S BEEN AFFECTING MANY HOMEOWNERS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE PEOPLE OVERFEED ANIMALS AND IT CAUSES DAMAGES TO ROOF. [00:05:01] IT CAUSES DAMAGE TO PROPERTY. AND IT'S MADE THE MY HOME LITERALLY COVERED IN BIRD FECES AND I'M DONE WITH IT. SO I'M ASKING EACH OF YOU TO FINALLY TAKE ACTION AND DO THE RIGHT THING AND PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF CHANDLER. I ELECTED EVERY ONE OF YOU AND I EXPECT YOU TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO PROTECT ME AND MY HOMEOWNER 'CAUSE I PAY MY TAXES AND I EXPECT YOU TO PROTECT ME. SO I'M ASKING TO DO THAT, PLEASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER CARD IS, UH, NOAH MARKUM. UH, NOAH ON ITEM NUMBER 16. UH, YOU HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES. STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY WHERE YOU RESIGN. UM, ALOHA MAYOR AND TO THE REST OF THE CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS NOAH JAMES MARKUM, AND I'M FROM THE GREAT CITY OF TEMPE. IT WAS GREAT ELECTION FOR US. UM, YEAH, SO, UH, , I LIKE THIS ONE BECAUSE IT'S, UM, IT'S ABOUT WATER MAINTENANCE AND THAT IT'S A GOOD THING. WE ARE TAKING CARE OF A WATER. UM, AND YEAH, I LIKE THIS ONE. AND I SEE YOU'RE UTILIZING THE TOWN OF GILBERT. OF COURSE, IT'S THE TOWN I GREW UP IN. OF COURSE, THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB WITH THE WATER OVER THERE. I I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE OVER THERE. UM, BUT YES, PLEASE, UM, APPROVE THIS AND MAHALA, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE ALSO HAD ONE, UM, WRITTEN, UH, CARD AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO ENTER ALL OF THESE INTO THE RECORD, BUT WE DID HAVE ONE, UM, NOT SPEAKER CARD, BUT WRITTEN CARD ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS THE, UM, BIKE ORDINANCE. WHAT'S THAT? THEY DON'T SAY WHETHER THEY'RE FOR OR AGAINST IT, SO. ALRIGHT, COUNSEL, THAT IS ALL OF THE CARDS. VICE MAYOR, AND IT'S GOING TO KEEP ME STRAIGHT HERE. UH, WE HAVE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED? COUNSEL MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA OF MAY 21ST, REGULAR MEETING ITEM ONE THROUGH 16 WITH THE NOTE EXCEPTION. ITEM 14, WE MOVE TO ACTION. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS. ANY RECUSAL? OKAY. COUNCIL, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. NEXT ON [ Public Hearing] OUR AGENDA. TONIGHT IS A PUBLIC HEARING HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER 17 AND THEN ANOTHER ON ITEM NUMBER 18. ITEM 17 HAS TO DO WITH TWO PARCELS AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF ACA ROAD AND UNION PACIFIC RADIO. RA UH, RAILROAD PROCEED. UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNSEL BEFORE YOU TODAY IS AND X 26 0 1. IT IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF EO ROAD IN THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD. THE SURROUNDING LAND USES TO THE NORTH IS VACANT LAND IN MARICOPA COUNTY TO THE SOUTH EO ROAD IN RESIDENTIAL EAST IS VACANT LAND FOR A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PARK AND WEST IS THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD. UM, THE SUBJECT SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 22.19 ACRES. AND IN 2022, DOMINION PURCHASED THE SITE WITH THE INTENT TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN SENIOR LIVING IN LATE 2022, DUE TO OPPOSITION, MARICOPA COUNTY INDEFINITELY CONTINUED THE REZONING CASE TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF CHANDLER ON AN ACCEPTABLE PROPOSAL. IN 2025, EVERGREEN PURCHASED THE SITE AND RECORDED A PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT STATING THAT THE PROPERTY WILL BE ZONED IN THE COUNTY AND ANNEXED AND DEVELOPED IN THE CITY. IN NOVEMBER OF 2025, MARICOPA COUNTY APPROVED THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY TO GENERAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT I AND D TWO WITH AN IUPD OVERLAY. WITHIN MARICOPA COUNTY, THE INITIAL CITY ZONING WILL BE PLANNED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, UM, SLASH PAD, RESTRICTING THE PERMITTED USES FOR THE TWO PARCELS PER THE PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT. PLANNING STAFF IS REVIEWING PLANS FOR A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE SITE PLAN IS OVER ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN WITH THE RENDERING JUST BELOW AND PER THE, UM, AGREEMENT. AFTER RECEIVING PLAN APPROVAL AND PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION, THE PROPERTY IS TO BE ANNEXED, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY. THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATES THE SITE AS EMPLOYMENT. THE CHANDLER AIRPARK AREA PLAN DESIGNATES IT AS INDUSTRIAL. THE CITY OF CHANDLER WILL [00:10:01] PROVIDE WATER AND WASTEWATER TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS TO REVIEW OF THE PROPOSED INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCIL QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS ANNEXATION, MAYOR, COUNCILMAN ORLANDO. GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. UM, SO LITTLE, LITTLE CLARIFY MY CONFUSION HERE. UM, WE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PERMITTING PROCESS AND THE ACTUAL PLOT PLAN, ALL THAT ACTIVITY, CORRECT? YEP. AND MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO? THAT IS CORRECT. UM, IT WILL BE REVIEWED CONCURRENTLY WITH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY. WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH PARTIES ARE IN AGREEMENT AND THEN IT WILL BE, UM, DEVELOPED WITHIN THE CITY AND PERMIT FEES, ALL THAT STUFF. WHERE DOES THAT GO? TO THE CITY. CHANDLER. GOT IT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANKS MAYOR. COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING ITEM NUMBER IS 18, THE ANNUAL ASSESSMENT FOR DOWNTOWN CHANDLER ENHANCED MUNICIPAL SERVICED. AND WELCOME. WE HAVE LISA AND LAUREN. ABBY. WAIT ONE SECOND THERE. LAUREN, I, I'M, I'M MISSING SOMETHING IN MY NOTES HERE. DID WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE RELATED TO THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING ITEM NUMBER 17. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. NO CARDS? I WOULD SEE THEM. ALRIGHT, MAYOR, PROCEED. YOU HAD ONE SPEAKER CARD FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER 17. OH, I TAKE THAT BACK, LAUREN. HANG ON THERE. OKAY. RIGHT. UH, NOAH, I APOLOGIZE. NO, YOU'RE GOOD. UM, ALOHA. I'M MAYOR INTO THE RESIDENT, THE CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS NOAH JAMES MARKHAM, AND I'M FROM THE GREEN CITY OF TEMPE. UM, YEAH, SO ITEM NUMBER 17. YES. LET'S GET THE PROPERTY AND BUILD ON IT. YEAH, THAT'S IT. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 18, LAUREN. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. TONIGHT I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE FISCAL YEAR 26 27, THE EMSD, THE ENHANCED MUNICIPAL SERVICES DISTRICT ANNUAL ASSESSMENT. THE EMSD WAS CREATED IN 2005 AND IS IN ITS 21ST YEAR. THE DISTRICT COVERS 61.4 ACRES IN OVER 1 MILLION SQUARE FOOTAGE OF COMMERCIAL SPACE. AN ENHANCED MUNICIPAL SERVICES DISTRICT IS FORMED TO PROVIDE SERVICES UP AND BEYOND TYPICAL PUBLIC SERVICES ELSEWHERE WITHIN THE CITY. UH, SUCH SERVICES INCLUDE SAFETY, BEAUTIFICATION, MARKETING, PROMOTION, AND PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT AND COMMUNICATIONS. THESE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED BY THE DOWNTOWN CHANDLER COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP, THE DCCP THROUGH AN ANNUAL CONTRACT WITH THE CITY. TO FURTHER EXPAND UPON THE EMSD PROCESS, THE ASSESSMENT WAS AUTHORIZED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE DISTRICT WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE ASSESSMENT PROCEEDS BEING PAID TO THE DISTRICT. THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE GOVERNING BODY WHO OFFICIALLY ENABLES THIS DISTRICT, AND THE DISTRICT MUST BE RENEWED EACH YEAR. THE ANNUAL STEPPER STEPS ARE AS FOLLOWS. STEP ONE, SET THE RATE BY CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS THE SAME ASSESSMENT FORMULA THAT HAS BEEN USED FOR THE PAST 21 YEARS. THIS YEAR. THE DCCP DID NOT REQUEST A 5% INCREASE FOR BOTH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC PROPERTY. STEP TWO, ON MARCH 26TH, COUNCIL APPROVED THE TENTATIVE ASSESSMENT AND SET THE HEARING DATE FOR TONIGHT. SINCE THEN, STAFF HAS PUBLISHED THE NOTICE OF HEARING AS REQUIRED BY A RS FOR FIVE CONSECUTIVE DAYS BEFORE THE HEARING. AND DCCP STAFF MAILED NOTICES TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE DISTRICT OF THEIR RIGHT TO FILE AN OBJECTION AND THERE'S BEEN NO OBJECTIONS. AND THEN TONIGHT, STEP THREE IS THE PUBLIC HEARING AND RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL AND THE APPROVAL OF CONTRACT WITH THE DCCP TO ADMINISTER THE EMSD. AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANY, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I HAND THIS OVER TO JESS, WHO WILL PRESENT ABOUT THE DCCP COUNSEL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR LAUREN? ALRIGHT. OKAY, PROCEED. THANK YOU, LAUREN. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. AND ON BEHALF OF THE DCCP BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND OUR ORGANIZATION, I'LL BE PROVIDING AN OVERVIEW OF SOME OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT WE'VE REACHED THIS FISCAL YEAR. BUT FIRST, I'D LIKE TO SHARE OUR MISSION STATEMENT. THE DOWNTOWN CHANDLER COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP IS A 5 0 1 6, NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION WHOSE MISSION IS TO MOBILIZE LEADERSHIP AND RESOURCES TO ADVANCE THE DEVELOPMENT OF DOWNTOWN CHANDLER AS A REGIONAL DESTINATION FOR SHOPPING, DINING, LIVING, CULTURE, AND THE ARTS. NEXT, I'D LIKE TO [00:15:01] HIGHLIGHT OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS. THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO INVEST AND VOLUNTEER FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE DOWNTOWN CHANDLER COMMUNITY. AND THIS IS OUR HARDWORKING TEAM. FROM LEFT, YOU'LL SEE MYSELF, WHITNEY, MADDIE, AND NATALIE. THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE STANDARD CITY SERVICES. OUR CHARTER INCLUDES PROVIDING ADVOCACY FOR OUR BUSINESSES, MANAGEMENT EVENTS, MARKETING, BEAUTIFICATION, AND PLACEMAKING, AND CLEAN TEAM SERVICES. THIS YEAR WE WERE ABLE TO ADD TWO ADDITIONAL DAYS A WEEK OF CLEAN TEAM SERVICES, BRINGING US TO SEVEN DAYS A WEEK SERVICE FOR THE DOWNTOWN, KEEPING US VERY, VERY CLEAN. THE DCCP RELIES ON THREE MAJOR REVENUE STREAMS THAT TOGETHER PROVIDE FINANCIAL STABILITY AND SUPPORT FOR ALL OF THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE TO THE DOWNTOWN STAKEHOLDERS. THESE SOURCES INCLUDE THAT FIRST, THE CITY'S VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTION, WHICH WE ARE EXTREMELY GRATEFUL FOR. THE ASSESSMENT INCOME IS THE NEXT ONE. AND THEN THE LAST AND THE LARGEST REVENUE STREAM COMES FROM OUR OWN FUNDRAISING AND THE EVENTS THAT WE PRODUCE WITH THESE DOLLARS. THIS IS THE IMPACT THAT WE HAVE MADE. THIS YEAR. WE CONTINUE TO STRENGTHEN COMMUNICATION AND ENGAGEMENT WITH DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES THROUGH CONSISTENT AND INTENTIONAL OUTREACH EFFORTS. WE MAINTAINED REGULAR COMMUNICATION THROUGH OUR ESTABLISHED CHANNELS, DISTRIBUTING 52 WEEKLY EMAILS AND 12 MONTHLY NEWSLETTERS TO OUR SUBSCRIBERS. IN ADDITION, OUR TEAM EXPANDED ITS OUTREACH STRATEGY BY PROACTIVELY CONNECTING WITH BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT TO DEVELOP PARTNERSHIPS AROUND MICRO EVENTS, THINGS SUCH AS RUN CLUB AND SUNSET YOGA. A NEW OPPORTUNITY THAT WE OFFERED OUR BUSINESSES IS THE CHANCE TO BE INCLUDED IN PR INITIATIVES THROUGH OUR CONTRACT WITH EVOLVED PUBLIC RELATIONS. IN CONTINUING WITH OUR MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS, WE PARTNERED WITH VARIOUS MEDIA OUTLETS, SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THINGS THAT WE FEATURED OUR EVENTS LIKE SIP AND SANTA'S WEDDING WALK THIRD THURSDAY. THEY ALSO COVERED ACTIVATIONS THAT HIGHLIGHT DOWNTOWN AS A WHOLE, THINGS LIKE HEARTS FOR YOUR HEARTS FOR YOUR SWEETHEART INSTALLATION. AND LASTLY, THEY COVERED SPECIAL OCCASIONS, UM, FOR SELECT BUSINESSES SUCH AS NEW YEAR'S EVE AT THE BRICKYARD. WE'LL CONTINUE PUSHING THROUGH SUMMER TO DRIVE TRAFFIC THROUGH MEDIA ATTENTION IN A TRADITIONALLY SLOWER SEASON. A MARKETING WIN WAS PARTNERING WITH EVOLV AND THEY HAD A FRONT AND CENTER IN THE MEDIA. SINCE DECEMBER, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE AN ESTIMATED MEDIA AUDIENCE OF OVER 91 MILLION AND A PUBLICITY VALUE OF OVER $2 MILLION. UM, WE HOSTED 25 EVENTS THIS YEAR AND BROUGHT IN 685 LOCAL VENDORS, FARMER'S MARKET VENDORS, NOT INCLUDED IN THAT. THROUGH OUR EVENTS, WE BROUGHT IN 27,000 EVENT ATTENDEES AND GENERATED MORE THAN 150, MORE $54,000 IN REVENUE. YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT THE SUCCESS OF THIRD THURSDAY, UM, IT'S HERE. WE ARE SO GRATEFUL FOR THE COUNCIL AMENDMENT THAT GRANTED THE DCCP, THE FUNDS TO PRODUCE THE THIS FREE COMMUNITY EVENT. THE LAST OCCURRENCE OF THE EVENT IS ACTUALLY TONIGHT. UM, EACH MONTH WE HOSTED 30 TO 50 VENDORS, WHICH BROUGHT IN THREE TO 500 PEOPLE TO DOWNTOWN DURING AN OFF PEAK TIME. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE PROVIDED A, A DIVERSE EVENT SCHEDULE AND TRIED OUR BEST TO OFFER AS MANY FREE OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS AS VISIT AND VISITORS TO ENJOY AS WE COULD. WE HAVE CONTINUED HOSTING MICRO EVENTS WITH WHICH PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY, FOR COMMUNITY BUILDING, I'M SORRY, WITHOUT THE LARGER CROWDS. WE WANTED TO PROVIDE REASONS FOR PEOPLE TO KEEP COMING BACK TO DOWNTOWN. THROUGH THESE CONSISTENT EVENTS THAT ARE HELD AT OFF PEAK TIMES. HERE YOU'LL SEE A FULL LIST OF THE MICRO EVENTS, MANY OF WHICH HAD MULTIPLE OCCURRENCES. ALL OF THESE EVENTS, EVENTS ARE MADE POSSIBLE, UM, THROUGH OUR, OUR TEAM AND OUR EVENT PARTNERS. PARTNERSHIPS HAVE BEEN A KEY FOR OUR VERY SMALL BUT MIGHTY TEAM THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO HERE'S A LIST OF ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT HAVE BROUGHT VALUE TO OUR EVENTS. AND HERE WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE A FEW PHOTOS OF THE COMMUNITY ENJOYING SOME OF THE DOWNTOWN CHANDLER EVENTS. NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT FARMER'S MARKET. UM, I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT AFTER A FULL YEAR OF PRODUCING THE FARMER'S MARKET IN-HOUSE, IT'S A GREAT SUCCESS. NATALIE HAS GROWN AND ACTIVATED THE MARKET IN NEW WAYS. WITH THE ADDITION OF THE KIDS ENTREPRENEUR MARKET AS WELL AS SENIOR SATURDAY. WE'RE PROUD OF THE PROGRESS AND ARE SEEING VERY PROMISING NUMBERS HERE. THE MARKET BRINGS APPROXIMATELY 36,000 VISITORS ANNUALLY IN THIS YEAR'S TOTAL VENDOR GROSS SALES ARE $496,000. [00:20:01] ALL OF THIS DRIVING PEOPLE TO DOWNTOWN AND PUTTING MONEY BACK INTO THE LOCAL ECONOMY. WE INSTALLED VARIOUS PLACEMAKING ENGAGEMENTS, UM, ON TOP OF OUR LARGEST ACT, UM, ACTIVATION FOR CHRISTMAS. WE INSTALLED HAY BALES FOR THE FALL SEASON. WE PARTNERED WITH LOVE. I AM FOR A SPECIAL VALENTINE'S DAY INSTALLATION, AND WE ADDED FUN FOR BOTH ST. PATTY'S DAY AND CINCO DE MAYO AS WE LOOK FOR SAFETY AND BEAUTIFICATION IMPROVEMENTS. THE DCCP PARTNERED WITH THE CITY TO INSTALL ALLEYWAY LIGHTING IN THE SAN MARCOS ALLEYWAY. AND THIS YEAR, BECAUSE OF THE SUCCESS OF OUR FIRST ANNUAL DOLLAR MANIA EVENT, WE WERE ABLE TO INSTALL A MURAL IN THE HALLWAY ALLEYWAY. WE WORKED WITH GAVIN JACOBS ON THE DESIGN, AND KAYLA NUNAM IS THE ARTIST THAT WE SELECTED. SO SHE'S ACTUALLY CURRENTLY PAINTING THIS. YOU GUYS SHOULD HEAD OVER AND CHECK IT OUT. IT SHOULD BE DONE IN THE COMING WEEKS. AND WE ARE SO GRATEFUL FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP AND YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT, THE CONTINUED SUPPORT OF CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY OF CHANDLER STAFF, ESPECIALLY LAUREN AND KIM. SO APPRECIATED. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU, JESS. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, I, I KNOW THAT DCCP, UH, DOES HELP OUT WITH JUNETEENTH WITH CULTURE MUSIC IN A PARK, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PARTNERSHIP, UH, CONTINUES AND REMAINS. ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. YEAH, AWESOME. AND SEEING ACTUALLY HOW WE CAN GROW THAT I THINK WOULD BE A A GREAT, OKAY. AWESOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ADDITIONAL OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, I DO SEE ONE SPEAKER CARD FROM THE AUDIENCE. UH, NOAH MARKHAM. YOU CAN SIT DOWN AGAIN. JESS. THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU NOAH MAYOR. AND TO THE REST OF THE CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS NOAH JAMES MARKHAM AND I'M FROM THE GREAT CITY OF TEMPE. UM, YES, I WOULD LIKE THIS TO GET APPROVED. THANK YOU FOR SPREADING THE JOY IN THIS, UH, CITY ABOUT THE PACIFIC ISLANDERS. UM, THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO MY HOME. UM, AND, UM, YEAH, SO IT'S REALLY AWESOME. BUT THERE'S ONE THING I I HOPE MAYBE WE COULD DO THAT TEMPE USED TO DO. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CITY COULD DO THIS, BUT MAYBE WE COULD HAVE LIKE A NEW YEAR'S EVE PARTY. I DON'T KNOW, FOR NEW YEAR'S EVE, UM, BEFORE THE NEW YEAR. SO, UM, MAYBE THINK ABOUT THAT IN YOUR DOWNTOWN. I DON'T KNOW. MAHA, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT COUNSEL, THAT COVERS THE, UM, BOTH OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. NEXT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT [Action Agenda] IS ITEM NUMBER 19, UM, RESOLUTION NUMBER 6,000, APPROVING THE ANNUAL ASSESSMENT FOR FY 20 26 27 FOR THE DOWNTOWN CHANDLER ENHANCED MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT. WHAT WE WAS JUST PRESENTED, UM, COUNCIL, IS THERE A MOTION, UH, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS? YEAH. WANTED TO BRING FLOCK IS IS FLOCK HERE TODAY? I I'M GONNA HAVE THEM. I'M GONNA, I JUST MOVED THAT ON SO I'M GONNA HAVE THEM AFTER WE DO THESE. THEY'RE, THEY'RE . OH, AFTER, AFTER THE, YEAH, AFTER THE D WE MOVED IT TO ACTION. OH YEAH. I'M SORRY. YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DCCP UH, CONTRACT. UM, I, I GOTTA GET THE, IS THAT, CAN I, IS THAT OKAY FOR ME TO SAY THAT? FOR WHICH ONE? THE, UM, 19. YES. I WOULD LIKE TO, TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, ITEM NUMBER 19, UM, TO, UH, TO CONTINUE ON THE PARTNERSHIP. I SECOND. ALRIGHT. UH, CITY ATTORNEY. THAT'S GOOD. GREAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, COUNCIL PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. GREAT. OUR NEXT ITEM ON ACTIONS, IT WAS REGULARLY SCHEDULED IS ITEM NUMBER 20, RESOLUTION NUMBER 6,006, ADOPTING THE FY 20 26 27 TENTATIVE BUDGET, AND 2027 THROUGH 36 TENTATIVE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. ALRIGHT, LET'S SEE A PRESENTATION ON THIS. THANK YOU. GREAT. GOOD EVENING MAYOR. MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. THE TENTATIVE BUDGET ADOPTION PRESENTATION TONIGHT WILL BRIEFLY COVER THE FISCAL YEAR 26, 27 PROPOSED BUDGET AND [00:25:01] THE 27 TO 2036 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. SETTING THE BUDGET IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ACTIONS OUR MAYOR AND COUNCIL TAKES EACH YEAR AND IS ALSO REQUIRED BY ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES. CHANDLER'S BUDGET PROCESS BEGAN IN OCTOBER OF 2025 WITH MAYOR COUNCIL DISCUSSIONS TO PROVIDE POLICY DIRECTION FOLLOWED BY THE RESIDENT SURVEY, MANY DEPARTMENT MEETINGS, THREE COUNCIL WORK SESSIONS, AND THE ALL DAY BUDGET BRIEFING CHANDLER IS REQUIRED TO ADOPT THE TENTATIVE BUDGET, WHICH IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, AND WHICH SETS THE AMOUNTS REQUIRED TO MEET THE EXPENSES OF FISCAL YEAR 26 27. ONCE TENTATIVELY ADOPTED, THE BUDGET CANNOT INCREASE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET AND ON THE TAX. LIVY WILL BE HELD ON JUNE 11TH. ON THAT SAME DATE, A SPECIAL MEETING WILL FOLLOW TO ADOPT A BUDGET. THE FINAL TAX LEVY WILL BE SET ON JUNE 25TH. THE TOTAL 26 TO 27 BUDGET, INCLUDING ALL FUNDS, IS JUST OVER ONE POINT $87 BILLION. THIS REPRESENTS A 14.8% OVERALL INCREASE IN THE CITY'S TOTAL BUDGET, MOST OF WHICH IS ASSOCIATED WITH A CIP. THE OPERATING BUDGET INCREASE IS 1.2%. THE GENERAL FUND PORTION OF THE BUDGET TOTAL $617.7 MILLION. IT INCREASED BY 0.3%, WHICH IS ULTIMATELY FLAT. THE BUDGET ADHERES TO THE CITY'S FINANCIAL POLICIES ESTABLISHED BY CITY COUNCIL AND IS STRUCTURALLY BALANCED. ALL ONGOING COSTS ARE SUPPORTED BY ONGOING REVENUES AND ALL ONE-TIME COSTS ARE COVERED BY ONE-TIME REVENUES. WE USED COUNCIL'S STRATEGIC FRAMEWORKS TO GUIDE ALL OF THE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. THIS BUDGET PROVIDES A COST EFFECTIVE QUALITY SERVICE TO CHANDLER'S RESIDENTS AND MAINTAINS LONG-TERM FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY. IT ALSO REDUCES THE PRIMARY PROPERTY TAX RATE FOR THE 11TH CONSECUTIVE YEAR. RESIDENT ENGAGEMENT WAS ACCESSIBLE THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS DURING OUR KICKOFF THROUGH THE RESIDENT BUDGET SURVEY, THE THREE BUDGET WORKSHOPS, THE ALL DAY BUDGET BRIEFING AND TONIGHT'S TENTATIVE BUDGET ADOPTION. THIS SLIDE IS A RECAP OF WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM AND WHERE THE MONEY GOES. WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM IS BROKEN OUT BY VARIOUS REVENUE CATEGORIES THAT INCLUDE FUND BALANCE GRANTS, STATE SHARED REVENUES, LOCAL TAXES AND LICENSE FEES, UTILITY CHARGES, PROPERTY TAX BONDS, OTHER CHARGES FOR SERVICES AND SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT FEES. YOU'LL NOTICE THE LARGEST BAR REPRESENTS FUND BALANCE, WHICH INCLUDES CONTINGENCIES, RESERVES, AND FUNDING ESTABLISHED IN PRIOR YEARS FOR THE CONTINUING PROJECTS. THE OTHER REVENUE CATEGORIES INCLUDE NEW MONEY COMING INTO THE CITY WHERE THE MONEY GOES IS BROKEN OUT INTO CATEGORIES INCLUDING DEPARTMENT OPERATING. THIS IS THE PORTION OF THE BUDGET THAT FUNDS AREAS LIKE PARKS, LIBRARIES, STREETS, AND PUBLIC SAFETY. ANOTHER CA CATEGORY'S MAJOR CAPITAL. THIS INCLUDES BOTH NEW AND CARRY FORWARD BUDGET AND MAKES UP THE LARGEST PORTION OF THE EXPENDITURE BUDGET. AS YOU KNOW, MOST PROJECTS CANNOT BE COMPLETED IN ONE YEAR. OTHER EXPENDITURE CATEGORIES ARE DEBT SERVICE, CONTINGENCY RESERVES, AND VEHICLE EQUIPMENT AND TECHNOLOGY REPLACEMENT. CHANDLER HAS ONE OF THE LOWEST COST FOR PROVIDING ESSENTIAL SERVICES OF ALL CITIES IN THE VALLEY. THE COST OF SERVICES STUDY CONDUCTED BY THE CITY OF TEMPE IN 2025 WAS BASED ON RATES THAT WERE IN PLACE ON JULY 1ST, 2025. IT COMPARED UTILITY COSTS, SALES TAX, SALES TAX, AND PROPERTY TAX COSTS FOR A TYPICAL HOME TO COME UP WITH. THE AVERAGE ANNUAL HOUSEHOLD COSTS IN CHANDLER WAS THE LOWEST AT $1,833 PER YEAR. THE FISCAL YEAR 26 27 BUDGET CONTINUES TO REFLECT THIS APPROACH OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR OUR RESIDENTS AS IT SHOWS WE CAN PROVIDE THE QUALITY SERVICES THEY DESIRE WHILE KEEPING OUR RATES LOW. THE 10 YEAR, UM, PARDON ME, THE 10 YEAR CIP FROM 2027 TO 2036 TOTALS APPROXIMATELY $2.9 BILLION. THE CIP WAS UPDATED TO REFLECT ADDITIONAL UTILITY AND GENERAL PROJECTS AND REFLECTS UPDATED PROJECT COST ESTIMATES THAT ARE IN LINE WITH TODAY'S CONSTRUCTION ENVIRONMENT. THE CIP FOCUSES ON THE CITY'S AGING INFRASTRUCTURE. AS CHANDLER CONTINUES TO AGE, WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SUPPORTS THE NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS IS MAINTAINED. ADDITIONALLY, THE CIP INCLUDES PROJECTS UTILIZING NEW VOTER APPROVED BOND AUTHORIZATION. WE ONLY APPROPRIATE YEAR ONE OF THE 10 YEAR CIP, [00:30:01] THE PROPOSED CIP BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 27 TOTALS $1.08 BILLION AND IS MADE UP OF THREE COMPONENTS. THE FIRST IS CAPITAL CARRY FORWARD, WHICH IS FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PROGRESS. WE ALSO HAVE NEW PROJECT FUNDING AND RESERVES. VERY FEW CAPITAL PROJECTS START AT THE START AND END IN THE SAME FISCAL YEAR. TO KEEP THIS APPROPRIATION STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT THE UNSPENT BUDGET BE REAPPROPRIATED UNTIL THE PROJECT IS COMPLETE. AS FAR AS KEY BUDGET DATES TONIGHT IS THAT TENTATIVE BUDGET ADOPTION. THE BUDGET, PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL ADOPTIONS ARE SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 11TH AND THE ADOPTION OF TAX LEVIES IS SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 25TH. FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. TONIGHT IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 6 0 0 6, APPROVING THE TENTATIVE ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 26 27 BUDGET AND THE FISCAL YEAR 27 TO 36 CIP. THIS SLIDE DISPLAYS OUR WEBSITE IN CASE RESIDENTS HAVE QUESTIONS OR NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE PREPARED A BUDGET SPOTLIGHT THAT SUMMARIZES THE FISCAL YEAR 26 27 BUDGET ON ONE PAGE. IT'S AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE AND HARD COPIES ARE AVAILABLE HERE TONIGHT. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? UM, I'VE GOT A VERY GRANULAR QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU CAN ANSWER IT OR JOHN, I MIGHT THROW IT TO YOU OR, OR MAYBE EVEN LEAH 'CAUSE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT. UM, GOT A LOT OF, UM, COMMENT CARDS AND SOME SPEAKER CARDS RELATED TO, UH, THE FERAL CATS AND, AND THE TRAP NEUTER AND RELEASE PROGRAM. SO HOW MUCH IN THIS BUDGET IS FOR THAT AGAIN? CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME THAT ANSWER? IS IT 30,000? 30,000 MAYOR COUNCIL? IT'S $30,000 IS CURRENTLY IN THIS BUDGET. OKAY, SO SAME AS LAST YEAR. AND THEN WE FUNDED WITH SOME OTHER FUNDS AS WELL TO INCREASE THAT AMOUNT LAST YEAR, RIGHT? THAT IS THIS CURRENT YEAR? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. WE HAD A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS THAT WE DID THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, AND I WANNA SAY THE TOTAL FUNDING CAME IN JUST A LITTLE BIT UNDER $50,000 TOTAL. OKAY. SO I HAVE, UM, 25 COMMENT CARDS THAT BASICALLY SUPPORT THE PROGRAM. I, I THINK THEY, UM, SOME WOULD LIKE MORE MONEY, SOME ARE JUST GRATEFUL THAT WE DO IT. THOSE WILL ALL BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD. UM, I DO HAVE SOME SPEAKER CARDS RELATED TO THE BUDGET TOO. AND THESE ARE ALL, AGAIN RELATED TO FERAL CAT. SO I THINK, I THINK YOU COULD SIT DOWN RIGHT NOW. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AND IF THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION THAT COMES, JUST BE AVAILABLE. UM, WHAT DO WE HAVE? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6 SPEAKER CARDS ON ITEM 20 RELATED TO FERAL CATS. UH, FIRST UP IS JENNIFER MCTIGUE. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY THAT YOU ARE A RESIDENT OF AND YOU HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES. AND FOR THOSE FOLLOWING, IT'S OKAY TO SAY I AGREE WITH HER UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING NEW TO ADD TO IT. YOU DON'T NEED TO REPEAT THE, THE EXACT SAME THINGS. AND I WILL REITERATE THAT STATEMENT WHEN WE GET TO ITEM NUMBER 14 AS WELL. SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY AND YOU HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES. UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JENNIFER MCT. I'M A CHANDLER RESIDENT AND DIRECTOR OF A SMALL LOCAL KITTEN RESCUE. OVER THE LAST 12 MONTHS IN JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I LIVE APPROXIMATELY 300 HOMES, I HAVE PERSONALLY TRAPPED OVER 75 COMMUNITY CATS THROUGH CHANDLER'S TRAP NEUTER RETURN EFFORTS. DESPITE THAT RESIDENTS AND COLONY CARETAKERS ESTIMATE, THERE ARE STILL AT LEAST 75 TO A HUNDRED CATS REMAINING IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD ALONE. THIS ISSUE DOES NOT FIX ITSELF WITHOUT INTERVENTION. UN ALTERED CATS CONTINUE REPRODUCING LETTERS, CONTINUE BEING BORN OUTDOORS, AND THE PROBLEM GROWS EXPONENTIALLY. TNR IS NOT SIMPLY ABOUT HELPING CATS. IT REDUCES NUISANCE BEHAVIOR. RESIDENTS REGULARLY COMPLAIN ABOUT SPRAYING, FIGHTING, YELLING, ROAMING, AND TERRITORIAL DAMAGE. IT HAS ALSO BROUGHT NEIGHBORS TOGETHER. RESIDENTS NOW WORK COOPERATIVELY TO IDENTIFY COLONIES, REPORT KITTENS, MONITOR INJURIES, EDUCATE ONE ANOTHER, AND PARTICIPATE IN HUMANE SOLUTIONS INSTEAD OF SIMPLY WATCHING THE PROBLEM CONTINUE. WHEN KITTENS ARE FOUND YOUNG ENOUGH, THEY CAN BE REMOVED FROM THE CYCLE ENTIRELY SOCIALIZED, STERILIZED, AND ADOPTED INTO HOMES INSTEAD OF GROWING UP OUTDOORS AND REPRODUCING THEMSELVES. AS A DIRECTOR OF A SMALL RESCUE, I CAN TELL YOU FIRSTHAND [00:35:01] THAT WITHOUT CONTINUED SUPPORT FOR TNR, THE FINANCIAL BURDEN SHIFTS ALMOST ENTIRELY TO THE VOLUNTEERS AND THE SMALL NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS ALREADY STRETCHED BEYOND CAPACITY. REDUCING OR ELIMINATING SUPPORT WILL NOT MAKE THE CATS DISAPPEAR. IT WILL SIMPLY MAKE THE PROBLEM LARGER, MORE EXPENSIVE AND HARDER FOR THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS TO MANAGE LATER. ONE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU OPEN THIS MEETING WITH PRAYER, SO I'M SORRY JENNIFER, YOUR TIME IS UP, BUT THANK YOU. THE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS YOU GUYS OPEN THIS MEETING WITH PRAYER. THANK YOU MAYOR. QUICK QUESTION, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. QUICK QUESTION. QUICK. UM, MA'AM. MA'AM. JENNIFER. JENNIFER? YES SIR. SORRY. HOW MUCH IS, UH, THE ACTUAL SURGERY IS, UH, COSTING TODAY? UH, IT'S APPROXIMATELY $65 VERSUS, WHAT WAS IT SAY A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN WE PUT THE INITIAL FUNDING IN THERE? UH, THAT I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ANSWER FOR YOU, BUT CARRIE WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT. OKAY. WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL BE IN SUSPENSE. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. UM, WITHOUT THE CITY FUNDING, HOWEVER, IF I HAVE TO GO AND HAVE THE RESCUE MYSELF, UM, USE OTHER CLINICS, WE PAY ABOUT A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER CAP. SO WE GET A DISCOUNT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, OBVIOUSLY BIG YES. ABSOLUTELY BY ABOUT $40. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. I DO HAVE A QUESTION CONCERNING EDUCATING THOSE, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU LIVE IN. YES. IS THIS PART OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW ALSO? ABSOLUTELY. EDUCATING THEM. UH, IN WHAT, IN WHAT FORM ARE WE EDUCATING THEM? UH, WE EDUCATE THEM FROM ANYWHERE, UM, FROM HOW TO DEAL WITH FERAL KITTENS. IF THEY, UM, FIND THEM IN THEIR BACKYARD, WHO TO REACH OUT TO. UM, IF THEY FIND, UH, KITTENS IN THEIR BACKYARD, WE, UM, EDUCATE THEM AS TO, UM, DIFFERENT ER CLINICS. THEY CAN BRING INJURED CATS TO, UM, IF THEY FIND THEM. UM, IF THERE ARE FERAL CATS FOUND ON THE ROAD THAT ARE DECEASED, WHICH THERE ARE A LOT WHERE THOSE CAN BE BROUGHT TO AS WELL. WE ALSO EDUCATE THEM AS TO HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR BACKYARD TO DETER CATS IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. WE ALSO EDUCATE THEM AS TO HOW, UM, TO TRAP WE GET THEM TOGETHER AND WE, WE TEACH THEM HOW TO ACTUALLY BECOME INVOLVED IN THE TNR PROGRAM. SO PREVENTION IS A BIG PART OF, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS SUE HARRINGTON. SUE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. CITY YOU RESIDE AND YOU HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES. MY NAME IS SUE HARRINGTON AND I LIVE AT 6 71 NORTH MADRID LANE. CHANDLER. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AS A PROPONENT OF THE TNR PROGRAM, I WAS TAKEN BY SURPRISE WHEN I LEARNED THE CITY ALLOCATED ONLY $30,000 TO THE PROGRAM FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR OF 26 27. AFTER MY MEETING WITH CITY MANAGER BACK IN MARCH, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WE WOULD BE GETTING AT LEAST A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THIS VERY NEEDED PROGRAM. THIS PROGRAM IS VITAL TO OUR COMMUNITY WHO ARE DEEPLY IMPACTED, IMPACTED BY OUTDOOR CATS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. ESTIMATES SUGGEST THAT THERE ARE OVER 500,000 OUTDOOR CATS IN MARICOPA COUNTY. THE PROGRAM WAS CREATED TO CONTROL THE OVERPOPULATION OF A CATS IN OUR CITY. WITHOUT PROPER FUNDING, WE, WE WILL NEVER GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE IN CONTROLLING THE CAT POPULATION. THIS YEAR, THE PROGRAM RAN OUT OF A FUND IS TWICE BEFORE THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. EVERY TIME THIS HAPPENS, IT CREATES A NEW CYCLE OF A BIRTH AND MORE CATS ON THE STREET. IT IS CRUCIAL THAT WE GET PROPER FUNDING WITHOUT INTERRUPTION. CITY OF A CHANDLER WAS THE FIRST CITY IN THE PHOENIX AREA TO ADOPT A TA PROGRAM. AFTER THAT, THE CITY OF ATTENDING AND MOST RECENTLY FOLLOW MESA FOLLOW SUIT. BOTH CITY PROGRAMS ARE EXCELLING IN EFFORT AND FUNDING, AND OUR PROGRAM IS REGRESSING AND NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE DEMANDS OF OUR COMMUNITY. PLEASE CONSIDER INCREASING THIS YEAR BUDGET TO AT LEAST A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, SUE. MS. MAYOR, MS. HARRINGTON. COUNCIL. COUNCIL . AGAIN, YOU DID THIS VOLUNTARILY, DON'T YOU? I'M SORRY. IT'S ALL VOLUNTARY. [00:40:01] VOLUNTARY, YES. YOU GUYS GET NO MONEY AT ALL. IT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE TNR COMPANY. NO, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I USED MONEY FOR MANY YEARS OUT OF MY POCKET TO DNR CATS IN DOWNTOWN CHANDLER. TODAY, YOU DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF CATS RUNNING AROUND YOUR, UM, FOOD COURT AREA BECAUSE I DID MOST OF THE TNR OVER THERE. MM-HMM . AND NOW I SPENT HUNDREDS OF PROBABLY HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN DNR BEFORE THE PROGRAM WAS IMPLEMENTED. AND THESE DAYS I CAN'T DO OUT POCKET ANYMORE. YOU KNOW, I, I CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, I CARE ABOUT THE ANIMALS, AND THAT'S WHY I DO THAT, WHAT I DO. THANK YOU MS. HARINGTON. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS, AND AUDIENCE, I'M GONNA ASK THAT AGAIN BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKERS THAT, LET'S LET THEM SPEAK TO US. YOU GUYS ARE LISTENERS AND THAT'LL GO FOR ITEM 14 AS WELL. NEXT IS TIA HAYES. I'M SORRY. YES, THAT'S OKAY. YEAH. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, CITY YOU LIVE IN. YOU HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES YES. TO VOICE CHANDLER. I OPPOSE. ITEM 20. UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. UM, WHAT DOES MARYLAND'S SENATE BILL SEVEN 50 ALSO KNOWN AS ASHE'S LAW, TEXAS SENATE BILL 1682 AND NEW JERSEY SENATE BILL 2275, ALSO KNOWN AS COMPASSION FOR COMMUNITY KA LAW, HAVE IN COMMON. ALL THREE LAWS ARE ADVOCATED BY US SENATORS, SENATOR KAREN LEWIS, YOUNG SENATOR US SE, UM, SORRY, RENI AND SENATOR RAYMOND LESNIK RESPECTIVELY. ALL THREE LAWS IMPOSE A UNIFORM HUMANE FRAMEWORK FOR COMMUNITY CATS AND ESTABLISH A STATEWIDE TRAP AND NEUTER PROGRAM POLICY. THESE POLICIES PROGRAMS ESTABLISH A NON LAPSING FUND. MONIES IN THE FUND SHALL BE USED SOLELY FOR GRANTS TO MANIP MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES TO ESTABLISH PROGRAMS TO HUMANELY TRAP COMMUNITY CATS STERILIZE EAR TIP, VACCINATE AND VACCINATE AGAINST RABIES AND RETURN EACH COMMUNITY CAT TO THE LOCATION WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAT WAS TRAPPED. THIS IS PROGRESSIVE PROACTIVE THINKING CONCERNING CAT POPULATION CONTROL. I KNOW THE LEGISLATURES HERE ON THE CITY OF CHANDLER PRIDE THEMSELVES ON THE PRACTICE OF ANTICIPATING FUTURE CHALLENGES, CONTINUALLY INNOVATING AND TAKING INTENTIONAL ACTION BEFORE A CRISIS STRIKES. WE IMPLORE YOU TO BE PROACTIVE AND CONTINUE THE COMMUNITY CAP PROGRAM GRANT BEFORE THIS BECOMES A CRISIS IN OUR COMMUNITY. LET'S ALL MAKE CHANDLER GREAT FOR EVERY PERSON AND ANIMAL THAT LIVES HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AGAIN SPEAKING TO US. NEXT WE HAVE, UH, HAN JOSA. UM, AGAIN, YOU, UH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, CITY AND YOU HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES. UH, THANK YOU. MY NAME IS HAN JOSA. I LIVE IN CHANDLER. I WORK WITH SAVING ONE LIFE. I RUN THE TNR PROGRAM THAT THE CITY OF CHANDLER FUNDS WITH THE ORGANIZATION. UM, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I WANTED TO SPEAK TONIGHT ABOUT THE INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEER EFFORT THAT GOES INTO MAKING THE TNR PROGRAM SUCCESSFUL AND WHY CONTINUED AND EXPANDED FUNDING IS SO IMPORTANT. I THINK THE ONE THING THAT'S EASY TO OVERLOOK IS EVERY SINGLE APPOINTMENT REPRESENTS REAL WORK BY CHANDLER COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO CARE DEEPLY ABOUT HELPING CATS AND THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. EVERY CAT TRAP MEANS SOME ARE IN COORDINATED TRAPPING, OFTEN OVER MULTIPLE NIGHTS, THEY TRANSPORTED THE CATS TO AND FROM APPOINTMENTS, MONITORED RECOVERY AFTER SURGERY, MADE SURE THE CAT WAS SAFELY RETURNED TO PLA AND PLACED APPROPRIATELY AFTERWARDS. AND THIS IS NOT EASY WORK. IT TAKES TIME, PATIENCE, COMPASSION, AND COMMITMENT. SINCE JANUARY 1ST ALONE, THIS PROGRAM HAS FIXED OVER 600 CATS IN CHANDLER, AND THAT REPRESENTS HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF INDIVIDUAL ACTS OF VOLUNTEER EFFORT BY COMMUNITY. PARTIC COMMUNITY CONSTITUENTS IN CHANDLER. PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE BEFORE WORK, AFTER WORK LATE AT NIGHT, OVER WEEKENDS, TRAPPING, EDUCATING NEIGHBORS, FOSTERING KITTENS, CARING FOR INJURED ANIMALS, AND HELPING STABILIZE COLONIES. MANY ARE ALSO SPENDING OUT OF THEIR OWN PERSONAL MONEY FOR FOOD, MEDICAL CARE, SUPPLIES AND TRANSPORTATION. WHAT MAKES THIS PROGRAM SO IMPACTFUL IS THE CITY FUNDING IS MULTIPLIED MANY, MANY TIMES OVER THROUGH DONATED LABOR, NONPROFIT SUPPORT, FOSTERING EDUCATION, COLONY MONITORING, AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH. THE ACTUAL VALUE BEING RETURNED TO THE COMMUNITY FAR EXCEEDS THE DOLLARS BEING INVESTED. THIS PROGRAM WORKS BECAUSE RESIDENTS CARE AND ARE WILLING TO DO THE HARD WORK, BUT THEY NEED THE CITY PARTNERSHIP TO MAKE THAT POSSIBLE. THE DEMAND IS THERE, THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT IS THERE, AND THE PROGRAM IS CLEARLY BEING UTILIZED. I'D ALSO LIKE TO INVITE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO JOIN ME AT AN UPCOMING TNR PROJECT. I PERSONALLY [00:45:01] TAKE ON THOSE FOR DISABLED AND ELDERLY RESIDENTS. AND IT'S ONE THING TO HEAR ABOUT THIS WORK, BUT SEEING IT FIRSTHAND WILL SHOW YOU THE DIFFERENCE IT MAKES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE RESIDENTS, THE CATS, AND THE TANGIBLE IMPACT THIS PROGRAM MAKES ON OUR COMMUNITY. SO I RESPECTFULLY ASK, ASK THAT THE CITY CONTINUE AND EXPAND FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM SO WE CAN CONTINUE BUILDING ON THE SUCCESS THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THEIR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE HANDOUTS FOR ALL OF THE MEMBERS SHOWCASING A QUAD. YOU CAN GIVE THEM TO OUR CLERK. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER REAL QUICK. DID YOU HAVE A PRICE OF WHAT IT COST A FEW YEARS AGO FOR IT? A FEW YEARS AGO OR WITH THE CITY PROGRAM? WELL, RIGHT NOW, $65 ACCURATE. IT'S $65 A CAT, WHICH IS CONSIDERABLY LESS THAN IF WE GO TO A WALK-IN CLINIC. RIGHT. I'M USUALLY PAYING 125. RIGHT. WHAT WAS IT A FEW YEARS AGO? WAS IT LESS MONEY A FEW YEARS AGO? UM, WITH, WITH THE CITI PROGRAM? WITH SOL OR WITH NO, WITH THE ACTUALLY THE TNR, THE, THE ACTUAL TNR YOU WERE ABLE TO DO LIKE FOR 25, 30 $5 YEARS AGO. LIKE 10 YEARS AGO. YEAH. YEAH. LIKE 15 YEARS AGO. BUT NOW THE COST, EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP AND THE VETS ARE, YEAH. . AND THE OTHER QUESTION, THE OTHER ISSUE YOU'RE FACING IS THE TIMING OF THE VETERAN TO BE ABLE TO DO, DO THE SERVICE, CORRECT? YES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR MICHELLE, MIC SEAN. I HAVE A QUESTION. OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH. UM, REAL QUICK, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT 600 CATS, UM, BEING, UM, THROUGH TNR PROGRAM SINCE JANUARY, IS THERE A CERTAIN AREA OR WHERE, WHERE ARE THESE CATS COMING FROM AS FAR AS IT A GENERAL, IS IT THE DOWNTOWN AREA, NORTHWEST SOUTH CHANDLER? WHERE'S THE MAJORITY OF THESE CATS OR THE EPICENTER OF THIS? THAT'S A REALLY GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU. AND A LOT OF THE CONCENTRATION TENDS TO BE IN LOWER SOCIOECONOMIC AREAS. UM, AREAS LIKE I SPEND MY LIFE IN TRAILER PARKS, APARTMENT COMPLEXES, HIGH DENSITY AREAS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF HIGH TURNOVER PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FIX SPAY NEUTER THEIR ANIMALS AND OR ABANDONING THEM, OR THEY WERE ABANDONED AND HAVE BEEN ABLE TO OVERPOPULATE BECAUSE NOBODY'S ABLE TO AFFORD THE SPAY NEUTER ON THEIR OWN. AND SO IT CONCENTRATES IN DOWNTOWN, IN CERTAIN POCKETS OF THE CITY ALSO BECAUSE IN OTHER LIKE AREAS, SOUTH SOUTHERN CHANDLER AND OTHER AREAS, WE HAVE MORE OF A, UM, PREDATOR COMPLEX. AND SO COYOTE IS A NATURAL RESOURCE. UH, PREDATORS WILL TAKE THE ANIMALS OUT AND ALSO THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE THAT CAN AFFORD TO SPAY AND NEUTER IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY. AND SO A LOT OF THEM WILL TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES TO TNR AND BRING THE CAT TO THEIR VET AND NOT UTILIZE THIS PROGRAM. SO IT'S REALLY HELPING SO MANY OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN THE POCKETS THAT ARE OVERPOPULATED AND DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER RESOURCES OR WHERE TO TURN TO. GOTCHA. AND WHAT'S BEEN YOUR COLLABORATION OR COMMUNICATION WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT OF, SAY, THOSE MOBILE HOMES OR MANUFACTURED HOME PROPERTIES? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A UPHILL BATTLE. A LOT OF TIMES. THERE'S A LOT OF MYTHS AND MISINFORMATION ABOUT TNR AND CATS. AND SO WE SPEND A LOT OF OUR TIME WORKING WITH THE HOA MANAGERS, PROPERTY MANAGERS AT TRAILER PARKS WITHIN SUBDIVISIONS, APARTMENT COMPLEXES, EDUCATING THEM AND SHOWING THEM WHAT COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT CAN LOOK LIKE AND HOW IT'S GOING TO POSITIVELY AFFECT THE NUISANCE BEHAVIORS AND HAVE EVERYBODY GETTING ALONG. SO IT'S A LOT OF EDUCATION. IT'S REALLY MOSTLY EDUCATION AND WORKING WITH THEM, BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY CONTRIBUTING TO THE EFFORTS OR PUTTING ANY TYPES OF RULES, REGULATIONS WITHIN THE PROPERTIES. IT DEPENDS ON THE PROPERTY. MANY OF THEM WILL HAVE FEEDING BANS OR BE THREATENING RESIDENTS WITH EVICTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE REALLY TRY TO GO IN AND WORK WITH THEM TO HAVE A JOYFUL SOLUTION WHERE EVERYBODY CAN HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S SUSTAINABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. YEP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS CATHERINE. CATHERINE MARTINEZ. CATHERINE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, CITY YOU RESIDE IN. YOU HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES. IF EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ON YOUR NOTES, I'VE ALREADY BEEN SAID, YOU CAN SAY I AGREE OR BRING SOMETHING UNIQUE. OKAY. UM, MY NAME IS CATHERINE MARTINEZ. I'M A CHANDLER CITY, UH, RESIDENT. AND I WANTED TO REITERATE BEFORE I SAY MY THING THAT, UM, A LOT OF US SPEND MANY, MANY, MANY HOURS VOLUNTEERING TO CONTINUE TO TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMALS AFTER THE FACT AS WELL. SO A LOT OF, UM, FERAL CATS, YOU KNOW, THAT AREN'T FIXED, ESPECIALLY THEY GET INTO FIGHTS AND WE HAVE TO CARE FOR THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING THE PROPER CARE AFTERWARDS SO THAT THEY DON'T, UH, SUFFER OUTSIDE. SO THAT'S JUST AN ADDED THING THAT WE DO LIKE ON OUR OWN. UM, SO GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I VOLUNTEER DIRECTLY WITH RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THE BIGGEST THING I'VE SEEN THROUGH THIS PROGRAM IS RELIEF BE BEFORE THE PROGRAM EXISTED, MANY RESIDENTS DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO. WHEN COMMUNITY CATS APPEARED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, PEOPLE WERE OVERWHELMED, FRUSTRATED, AND OFTEN TRYING TO HANDLE SITUATIONS COMPLETELY ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT GUIDANCE OR RESOURCES. SOME RESIDENTS WANTED HELP BUT COULDN'T AFFORD IT. OTHERS WERE, UH, WORRIED ABOUT GROWING CO POPULATIONS, KITTEN BEING KITTENS, BEING BORN OUTSIDE, COMPLEX, DEVELOPING BETWEEN NEIGHBORS OVERFEEDING OR CARING FOR THE CATS, THEY FELT HELPLESS. THIS PROGRAM HAS GIVEN RESIDENTS A HUMANE, ORGANIZED, AND PRODUCTIVE PATH FORWARD. NOW PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY CAN FINALLY HAVE SUPPORT AND HELP. THEY, THEY'RE LEARNING ABOUT TNR, HOW [00:50:01] TO RESPONSIBLY CARE FOR THEIR COLONIES, HOW TO PREVENT FUTURE LITTERS, AND HOW TO WORK TOWARDS SOLUTIONS INSTEAD OF FEELING STUCK. STUCK. I'VE PERSONALLY SEEN RESIDENTS STEP UP IN INCREDIBLE WAYS. PEOPLE ARE VOLUNTEERING TO TRAP CRACKS BEFORE, WORK LATE AT NIGHT, TRANSPORTING ANIMALS TO APPOINTMENTS, FOSTERING KITTENS, HELPING EDUCATE THE NEIGHBORS, NETWORKING WITH RESCUES, AND SUPPORTING ONE ANOTHER THROUGH DIFFICULT SITUATIONS. WHAT'S ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT, THAT THIS PROGRAM HAS HELPED REDUCE TENSION AND CONFLICT WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS. THE COMMUNITY BUY-IN FOR THIS PROGRAM IS VERY REAL. RESIDENTS WANT THIS PROGRAM, THEY WANT HUMANE SOLUTIONS. THIS PROGRAM HAS EMPOWERED RESIDENTS TO BECOME A PART OF THE SOLUTION. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO CONTINUE AND EXPAND FUNDING THIS PROGRAM. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. THANK YOU. AND OUR LAST SPEAKER CARD FOR ITEM 20 IS CARRIE NEWTH. I'M SORRY. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, CITY OF REFERENCE THAT YOU LIVE IN. YOU HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS, GREETINGS AND SALUTATIONS. MY NAME IS CARRIE. I AM FROM GILBERT, BUT I'M ALSO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SAVING ONE LIFE AND HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS. IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, SAVING ONE LIFE IS YOUR VENDOR PARTNER FOR THE COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM IN CHANDLER. THIS PROGRAM IS NOT SIMPLY ABOUT STERILIZING CATS. THIS IS A TRUE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY SAVING ONE LIFE VOLUNTEERS AND VETERINARY PROFESSIONALS AND THE RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION. RESIDENTS HAVE REPEATEDLY EXPRESSED APPRECIATION TO HAVE EXCE HAVE ACCESS TO A HUMANE AND RESPONSIBLE RESOURCE TO ADDRESS THESE SITUATIONS BEFORE THEY ESCALATE. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED IS EDUCATION THAT IS AT THE CORE OF OUR MISSION. WE SPEND A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME HELPING RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND HUMANE COMMUNITY CAT MANAGEMENT THROUGH OUTREACH AND EDUCATION. WE ARE NOT, WE ARE HELPING BUILD LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS INSTEAD OF TEMPORARY FIXES AND AT NO COST TO THE CITY. MOST IMPORTANTLY, THIS PROGRAM ADDRESSES THE ROOT CAUSE OF OVERPOPULATION. EVERY CAT STERILIZE MEANS FEWER KITTENS ARE BORN OUTDOORS. FEWER ANIMALS SUFFERING FEWER SHELTER TA INTAKES AND FEWER COMPLAINTS. MOST YOU CANNOT RESCUE YOUR WAY OUT OF PO. THE OVERPOPULATION PREVENTION IS CRITICAL. WE HAVE EXPERIENCED INCREDIBLE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. RESIDENTS ARE TRAPPING, TRANSPORTING, FOSTERING, EDUCATING NEIGHBORS, AND BECOMING ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS IN HUMANE SOLUTIONS. TO DATE OVER 1500 COMMUNITY CATS HAVE BEEN STERILIZED, OF WHICH 30% HAVE GONE INTO RESCUE TO FIND LOVING FOREVER HOMES. THIS IS AN EXTREMELY COST EFFECTIVE PROGRAM BECAUSE THE CITY IS AMP, THE CITY FUNDING IS AMPLIFIED VIA EXTENSIVE VOLUNTEER LABOR AND NONPROFIT SUPPORT. WHAT YOU MAY NOT REALIZE IS THE ONLY THING THE CITY PAYS FOR IS THE DIRECT SERVICES, THE SURGERIES, AND THE TRAPS. EVERY OTHER COST IS EITHER UNDERWRITTEN BY SAVING ONE LIFE OR COVERED BY THE TIRELESS EFFORT OF OUR A HUNDRED PLUS VOLUNTEERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CARRIE . FAIR. COUNCILMAN BERLAND THERE. YEAH. THANK YOU. UM, SO A COUPLE THINGS. UM, AS SOME OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE KNOW, I'M GONNA MAKE A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR ANOTHER $20,000 FOR THIS, UH, PROGRAM. ALSO, I'M ASKING THE CITY MANAGER OF THIS WITH THE COUNCIL'S, UH, APPROVAL HERE IF WE COULD FIND ANOTHER $20,000, BECAUSE LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE THE TOTAL WE GAVE WITH THE TWO SUPPLEMENTS WAS ABOUT $68,000. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. IT WAS 30 THEN WE FOUND ANOTHER, I THINK IT WAS CLOSE TO 68 I THINK IT WAS. WELL, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER LANDER, I BELIEVE THE TOTAL WAS $47,000. OKAY. I HAD A DIFFERENT FIGURE, BUT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, LIKE I SAID, I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBERS UP HERE HAVE SUPPORT IN THE AMENDMENT PROPOSAL, BUT IF WE COULD LOOK AT ANOTHER 20,000, IT GETS TO ABOUT 70,000. UH, I'VE BEEN ON THESE PROGRAMS BEFORE. I THINK SOME OF US ON THIS D'S BEEN ON THESE PROGRAMS BEFORE. I'VE BEEN TO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT IF IT'S NOT ADDRESSED, UM, IT DOES HAVE A BIG IMPACT. YOU KNOW, WE JUST DID A PIGEON ORDINANCE AND NOW I THINK IT'S TIME FOR US WITH ALL THESE HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF VOLUNTEERS TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THIS PROGRAM. LET'S CONCENTRATE ON SOME AREAS, LET'S PUT THE MONEY TOWARD THOSE AREAS. LET'S GET THE VETERANS INVOLVED SO WE GET SCHEDULED WITH THE VETERANS SO THAT THEY COULD STAY EMPLOYED OR, YOU KNOW, UH, PRODUCT PRODUCING. SO WE GET THIS, WE GET THESE AREAS, UH, SATURATED AND CLEAN UP THIS OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR SO. SO IF WE COULD FIND ANOTHER 20,000, I'LL PUT IN 20 WITH HOPEFULLY THE COUNCIL'S SUGGESTION THAT'LL GIVE US ABOUT $70,000 TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROGRAM AND THE CONCENTRATED AREAS THEY SPOKE ABOUT. LAST THING IS THE, THE WOMAN SPOKE THE YOUNG, THE LADY SPOKE, I'M [00:55:01] SORRY, THE, THE, THE, THE WOMAN SPOKE ABOUT, UM, POTENTIAL GRANTS FOR FEDERAL. MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK INTO AS WELL. I JUST ASKED A QUESTION. I'M SORRY. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, I JUST ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT THE GRANT. LET'S LET HIM CONTINUE THEN. NO, THAT'S FINE IF YOU'VE ASKED THAT'S, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. SO YEAH, THANK YOU, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, ELLIS, APPRECIATE IT. SO WE'RE ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH HERE. UM, IF WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AS WELL. AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE AREAS, IF WE CONCENTRATE ON IT AND CLEAN IT UP, IT'LL, IT'S AN AREA THAT WE'LL, WE MAY HAVE TO GO BACK TO FOR YEARS TO COME. SO THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THAT. THANK YOU COUNCIL. I KNOW I'D SUPPORT WHAT WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET AND TRYING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, BE BEYOND A BUDGET AMENDMENT AS WELL AS LOOKING FOR GRANTS. I, I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH ALL THE WORK OF GETTING THE BUDGET TO WHERE WE ARE TO HERE WITHOUT MAKING AN AMENDMENT. I'M NOT SURE I WANNA SUPPORT THAT, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT FINDING ADDITIONAL DOLLARS LIKE WE HAVE PREVIOUS YEARS AND PURSUING GRANTS MYSELF. BUT COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO ADD? UM, THANK YOU MAYOR. I, I TRY TO ASK, UH, MS. LEE ABOUT WHERE DOES THE FUNDING COME FROM FOR THIS PROJECT, AND IF IT'S FROM ONGOING DOLLARS OR WAS IT FROM GRANT MONEY? CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT? YES, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS? YES. THE, THE FUNDING THAT WE USE IS THE GENERAL FUND DOLLARS THAN IT IS ONGOING MONEY. WE HAVE NEVER RECEIVED GRANT FUNDS FROM AN OUTSIDE SOURCE FOR THIS PROGRAM. WHERE THERE MAY BE SOME CONFUSION REGARDING GRANTS IS THAT WE USED TO USE THE NEIGHBORHOOD GRANT PROGRAM OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSISTANCE PROGRAM TO FUND TNR IN PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THAT WAS THE NEIGHBOR. EACH INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR THOSE FUNDING, UM, IN ORDER TO MAKE THE PROCESS EASIER FOR THE VOLUNTEERS AND THE NEIGHBORS TO BE ABLE TO, TO UTILIZE THE SERVICES. WE CHANGED THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO AN ALLOCATION AND WENT OUT FOR AN RFP FOR A PROVIDER, WHICH IS SAVING ONE LIFE TO ADMINISTER THAT PROGRAM VERSUS GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GRANT PROGRAM. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, THE NEXT QUESTION THAT I HAVE, I, I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, ORLANDO WITH THIS LAST, UH, TIME CAME TO ME AND WE DISCUSSED IT WITH, UH, VICE MAYOR AND WE WERE ABLE TO ADD MORE MONEY, UH, TO THEM. RIGHT NOW I'M AGREEING WITH THE MAYOR. I DON'T THINK WE, WE NEED TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT INTO THE CURRENT BUDGET, BUT WE CAN ACTUALLY TRY TO FIND THAT MONEY THROUGH OTHER PROCESSES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RAISED IT IN ORDER FOR US TO GET TO THAT, UM, NUMBER THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS THE 70,000 BECAUSE WE GOT CLOSER TO IT LAST TIME. I AGREE. UH, MAYOR, JUST QUICKLY. YEAH, SORRY. ORLANDO. THANK YOU MAYOR. I MISCOMMUNICATED THE ADDEND THE AMENDMENT PROCESS BE, UM, PUT IN FOR $20,000. YES. THAT PROCESS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO LOOK AT THAT. THEN MY ASK TO LOOK AT THE FEDERAL GRANT. I THINK I HEARD THE WORD. THOSE ARE, I KNOW IF THAT WAS FEDERAL INDIVIDUALS FOR THAT TYPE OF PROGRAM, MAYBE I MIS MIS UH, MISINTERPRET WHAT THE LADY, THE WOMAN WAS SAYING THIS, UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, WE HAVE NEVER USED FEDERAL DOLLARS FOR THIS. AND I'M NOT AWARE IF THERE ARE SOME FEDERAL FUNDS AVAILABLE, BUT WE HAVE NEVER UTILIZED, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WE CANNOT USE OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT. I UNDERSTAND SOMETHING LIKE THIS. SO WE HAVEN'T EVER, UM, BEEN ABLE TO GET FUNDING. UM, CERTAINLY WE CAN LOOK TO SEE IF FUNDS WOULD BE AVAILABLE SOMEWHERE. OKAY, WELL, I I MAYBE YOU WANNA GET TOGETHER AND FIGURE THAT OUT IF THERE IS SOME FEDERAL DOLLARS. I DON'T KNOW. AGAIN, I JUST, SHE RATTLED OFF THREE STATES SENATE, UH, THREE FEDERAL PROGRAMS. SO I'M ASSUMING LEAH, REAL QUICK, SO LET ME, UM, LEAH, THERE IS A, A, I'LL MAKE SURE YOU GET THIS IN CITY MANAGER, BUT THERE IS A LISTING OF SOME THOUGHTS ON GRANTS AND IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT PARTICULARLY SPEAKER CARD AND, AND THEN SEE IF THAT, THAT COULD HELP COME THROUGH FOR US OR MAYBE THAT'LL EVEN SPONSOR OTHERS. OR T IF YOU COULD TALK TO, UM, LEAH MAYBE, OR ARE YOU THE RIGHT PERSON OR WHO WOULD BE I DON'T WANT THAT'S, YOU USED TO BE THE RIGHT PERSON. I WAS, YEAH, ACTUALLY RYAN BALLS IS HERE AND I THINK RYAN WOULD, RYAN WITH YOUR HAND, RIGHT PERSON TO CONNECT MM-HMM . YEAH. YOU TWO WOULD CONNECT AFTERWARDS AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME POSSIBILITIES OR GET THAT. I CAN HANDLE THE INFORMATION HERE, BUT IF YOU COULD JUST FOLLOW UP WITH THAT. THANK YOU. THANKS. OKAY, COUNSEL. UM, UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION, A MOTION IS IN ORDER. YEAH. UH, VICE MAYOR, I MOVE, UH, TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. UM, ITEM NUMBER 20, UH, RESOLUTION NUMBER 6,006 TO APPROVE THE FY 2 20 26. 2027 TENTATIVE, UH, BUDGET. UH, SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND MAYOR. I MEANT THE, I'M ASSUMING YOU MEANT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET AS WELL AND INCLUDING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, THE CIP THANK [01:00:01] YOU BUDGET AS WELL. UH, JUST BEFORE WE VOTE, I DO WANT TO THANK STAFF. THIS IS AGAIN, A, A HERCULES EFFORT EVERY YEAR AND, UH, I APPRECIATE THE WORK, THE DILIGENCE TO, UH, CONTINUE TO GIVE US TOP RATINGS AND TERMS OF WHAT WE DO TO KEEP OUR ABILITY TO HAVE LOW CIP LOAN COST, SECONDARY PROPERTY USE FOR THAT AND, AND SO MANY OTHER THINGS. SO, UM, CITY OF CHANDLER, WE'VE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MEETINGS WE'VE HAD ON THIS PLUS AN ALL DAY BUDGET SESSION. ALL WELL SPENT AND ALL WORTHWHILE TO UNDERSTAND AND CONTINUE TO LOOK AT CHANDLER'S FUTURE. SO SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS, COUNCIL, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, NEXT ON OUR AGENDA AGAIN, WE, WE TOOK ITEM 14 AND WE'VE MOVED IT. I'M GONNA ASK, UH, CHIEF TO GIVE US A PRESENTATION ON THIS OR WHO'S EVER BEST SUITED TO DO THOUGH, AND CHIEF, OTHER THAN A BRIEF PRESENTATION, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE. I KNOW I'VE GOT PERHAPS A COUPLE BASED UPON, UH, UH, EMAILS THAT HAVE COME TO US. SO TALK TO US ABOUT THE PROGRAM. AGAIN. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, WE HAD OUR FORMAL PRESENTATION ON MONDAY NIGHT, WHICH WAS, UH, THE SLIDE. WE DID NOT ADD ANYTHING FOR PRESENTATION TONIGHT. WE, UH, PROVIDED ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT RECEIVED MONDAY NIGHT THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, WHO THEN PASS THEM ON TO COUNCIL. WITH THOSE IN MIND, I'M HAPPY TO ASK. PARDON ME. SO THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE TAKE YOUR SIGNS DOWN. PLEASE REMOVE YOUR SIGNS. PLEASE REMOVE YOUR SIGNS. PLEASE REMOVE YOUR SIGNS. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. WE'RE NOT REMOVING THEM. PLEASE REMOVE YOUR SIGNS. DO YOU HAVE A POLICY THAT SAYS EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11 HANDHELD SIGNS IS NOT, WE DO NOT ALLOW BY, BY PRACTICE AND POLICY SIGNS IN HERE. SO PLEASE REMOVE YOUR SIGNS AND WE'LL CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. WHERE IS THAT POLICY STATED? PLEASE REMOVE YOUR SIGN. WHERE IS THAT POLICY STATED? I WOULD LIKE TO FIND IT. CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE TO FIND THAT POLICY? IT'S A PRACTICE, SIR. OH, IT'S A PRACTICE. IT'S NOT A POLICY HAS THE PERSON WHO SETS THE DECORUM AND RULES OF THE, OF THE MEETING, WHICH IS ME. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THAT IS WRITTEN POLICY. CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE? AS I MENTIONED AS THE ONE LEADING THE MEETING, IT IS OUR POLICY TO NOT HAVE SIGNS IN HERE. SO PLEASE REMOVE YOUR SIGN. NO, WE PAY YOU. SORRY. YOU'RE THE ONE INTERRUPTING THE MEETING. SIR, I AM THE ONE LEADING THE MEETING. THANK YOU. YOU'RE INTERRUPTING IT. GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE. WE'RE READY TO LISTEN. I'M THE ONE LEADING THE MEETING, PLEASE. YEAH. WELL, I'M A BIT OF A STANDSTILL CHIEF. YOU'RE NOT. LETS CONTINUE THE MEETING PLEASE. WE'RE ALL LISTENING. YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE CAUSING THE SCENE, SIR. KIND. WELL, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD DIRECTION FORWARD. DO I SAY ATTORNEY, MAYOR, YOU DO. IF I MAY. MAYOR, YOU DO CONTROL THE DECORUM PURSUANT TO THE RULES AND IF THERE ARE INTERRUPTIONS, UM, THAT YOU FEEL ARE DISTRACTING FROM THE MEETING, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR DECORUM. UM, INCLUDING HAVING THE SIGNS TAKEN DOWN. THERE YOU GO. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE POLICY. CITY MANAGER OR CITY ATTORNEY FURTHER. UM, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO EITHER CONTINUE THE MEETING OR STOP THE MEETING. IT YOUR CHOICE. AND IF PEOPLE WEREN'T, AREN'T FOLLOWING THE DECORUM YOU HAVE SET, UM, THEY CAN BE ASKED TO BE REMOVED. LISTEN TO THE CONSTITUENT PLEASE. YOU WORK FOR US, WE ALLOW THE LAST MEETING, JORDAN, NOBODY SAID A WORD, STOPPED IT. THIS IS A VERSION OF OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. SO MAYOR, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, [01:05:01] WE CAN ASK THAT THEY BE REMOVED IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO CONTINUE THE MEETING AND UNTIL THE POINT THAT THEY COMPLY OR WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MEETING. OKAY. GO AHEAD, SHOW HIM. YOU WANNA REMOVE US? I'M NOT MOVING. PROCEED, MAYOR. WE ALL TAKE HEARD. I WILL CONTINUE THE MEETING. CHIEF, MAYOR. SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO ASK ANY DIRECT QUESTIONS AS FOLLOW UPS OR ANY NEW QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. NOT ONLY FROM MYSELF. WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM FLOCK HERE, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR STRATEGIC INITIATIVES MANAGER WHO OVERSEES OUR TECHNOLOGY ISSUES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. CHIEF, ONE QUESTION I HAD BASED ON SOME COMMENTS. I, I KNOW THAT, UH, A NUMBER OF THE SIGNS HAVE BEEN PLACED OR A NUMBER OF THE CAMERAS, UH, ARE CERTAINLY IN THE ONE SQUARE MILE WHERE WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, UM, DIFFERENT ISSUES WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. TALK TO US ABOUT THAT. IN THE POLICY IN THE GALVESTON AREA THROUGH THE MAYOR, UH, THE FLAT CAMERAS ARE NOT PUT INTO NEIGHBORHOODS THERE IN INTERSECTIONS AND THOROUGHFARES. THEY SPECIFICALLY DO NOT TRACK THE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE. THEY'RE FO FOCUSED ON THE MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC. SO TELL US WHAT ARE THE, THERE'S BEEN, EXCUSE ME, ANY INTERRUPTIONS FROM US LEADING, I WILL HAVE TO ASK YOU TO LEAVE. UH, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SPEAK WHEN YOU COME UP TO THE MIC. OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A DELIBERATION. THANK YOU. SO, UH, THERE WERE A COUPLE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT HAVE ASKED OR OR STATED THAT A NUMBER OF FLOCK CAMERAS ARE PLACED IN, UM, IN THE GALVESTON AREA, CLOSE TO GALVESTON SCHOOL AND WHATEVER. TALK TO US ABOUT, ARE THERE CAMERAS THERE? AND IF SO, WHAT ARE THOSE? THROUGH THE MAYOR, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO, UH, OUR STRATEGIC INITIATIVES. UH, MANAGER FOR THE SPECIFICS. I BELIEVE PREVIOUSLY COUNCIL HAS BEEN PROVIDED LOCATIONS OF ALL THE CAMERAS IN THE CITY. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY AT THE GALVESTON SCHOOL SPECIFICALLY. AGAIN, THAT WOULD NOT ALIGN WITH WHERE WE PUT FLOCK CAMERAS SPECIFICALLY IN HIGH VEHICLE DENSITY TRAFFIC AND ON MAJOR THOROUGHFARES AND INTERSECTIONS. BUT I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THAT AND LET YOU KNOW SPECIFICALLY. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT? THAT'S HERE, THAT TERMS OF CAMERAS IN THE GALVESTON AREA THAT MICHELLE, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, THE CLOSEST ONES IN THAT AREA ARE GONNA BE OVER ON MCQUEEN AND ARIZONA AVENUE ON THOSE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES THAT WE DISCUSSED THE OTHER NIGHT. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY, UM, I KNOW AT ONE POINT WE HAD, WE HAD SOME GUNSHOT UH, AUDIO IN THERE. IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, ITEMS IN THAT WITHIN THE SQUARE MILE THAT ARE RELATED TO THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT? MAYOR, THE GUNSHOT DETECTION DEVICES HAVE BEEN REMOVED. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE IN THAT AREA. OKAY. SO THERE IS NO CAMERAS AT GALVESTON SCHOOL OR ANYWHERE OFF OF HAMILTON, THE INTERIOR THERE RELATED TO THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT? NO, SIR. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM BEFORE WE GO TO SPEAKER CARDS? COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS? YEAH. UM, THANK YOU MAYOR. I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, UH, FOR CHIEF, BUT ALSO HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR, UH, FLOCK AS WELL. SO, UM, IF FLOCK IS HERE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SO, UH, I'M GONNA START WITH, I'M GONNA START WITH THIS, UH, PARTICULAR QUESTION BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST KIND OF EXPANDING A BIG GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM AND MY QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE WILL BE SURROUNDING THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC. THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I HAVE, AND MAYBE IT COMES TO YOU, CHIEF OR FLOCK, UM, WHERE DOES THE COLLECTION OF THE DATA GOES? LIKE, WHERE DOES IT GO THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, THE CHANDLER POLICE DEPARTMENT OWNS ALL THE INFORMATION. IE THE CITY OF CHANDLER FLOCK DOES NOT RETAIN IT. FLOCK IS A VENDOR THAT PROVIDES THE CAMERAS FOR THE TECHNOLOGY. WE TAKE THAT INFORMATION, WE HOUSE IT, AND THEN WE PURGE IT. SO IN TERMS OF THE, THE CLOUD, WHERE DOES IT GO WHEN, WHEN IT LEAVES, WHEN IT GETS HERE WHERE LIKE DATA CENTERS, WHEN WE GET ON OUR PHONES, THERE'S DATA CENTERS THAT, THAT TAKES OUR INFORMATION AND SHIFTS IT FROM PLACE TO PLACE TO PLACE. MY QUESTION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CLOUD PROGRAM, AND I KNOW WE WORKED THROUGH A CLOUD SYSTEM, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO KNOW WHERE DOES THE DATA GO IN THE CLOUD SYSTEM? LIKE, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEING RETAINED HERE. [01:10:02] THANK YOU. UM, FOR THE RECORD, KATIE DNE WITH FLOCK SAFETY, UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER. HARRIS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE QUESTION. UM, I DO WANNA REITERATE THAT YES, CHANDLER DOES A HUNDRED PERCENT OWN THE DATA. THE DATA IS CAPTURED ON THE CAMERA ENCRYPTED AND MOVED TO THE CLOUD STORAGE, WHICH IS ALSO ENCRYPTED. AND ALL DATA IS PURED AFTER 30 DAYS. SO WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CLOUD STORAGE IS, LIKE WHERE'S THAT FACILITY AT? IT'S AN AWS SERVICE, WHICH IS ALSO WHERE GOVERNMENT HIGH, THE HIGHEST GOVERNMENT SECURITY SOC TWO COMPLIANCE. OKAY. UM, I CAN CONTINUE SIR. YEAH. C PLEASE CONTINUE. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T NO, YOU'RE FINE. UM, THE, THE AWS CLOUD SERVICES THAT WE USE ARE TO THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF COMPLIANCE, MEANING CJ SOC TWO, UM, NDAA AND A NUMBER OF OTHER ONES. AND SO THIS IS TYPICALLY WHERE HIGH LEVEL SECURITY CLEARANCE, UM, DATA IS STORED IN THIS A W SYSTEM. OKAY. AND THEN I WANTED TO ASK YOU, 'CAUSE I MAY NOT, I MAY NOT KNOW, BUT LIKE IF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DECIDE, ATTORNEY GENERAL DECIDES TO SAY, HEY, I WANT THIS INFORMATION, COULD SHE JUST GET IT, UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCILMAN HARRIS, IF THERE WAS A WARRANT THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE CITY OR SOMETHING OR TO, TO FLOCK, WE WOULD HAVE TO NOTIFY YOU GUYS OF THAT WARRANT. SO NO, IT WOULDN'T BE A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL THAT COULD JUST SAY, HEY, FLOCK, I NEED THIS DATA. THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A FORMAL PROCESS WITH COURT BACKING TO DO THAT. AND THEN, AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW THE FOURTH AMENDMENT MAY WORK AS IT PERTAINS TO THIS, BUT IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE INFORMATION THAT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TRACKING INFORMATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO HOW DOES, HOW DOES THE FOURTH AMENDMENT TIES INTO THE PRIVACY AREA OF THIS PARTICULAR THANK YOU. YEAH. UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCILMAN HARRIS, THERE ARE NUMEROUS COURTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHO HAVE UNANIMOUSLY AGREED THAT A LPR TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT VIOLATE FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS. UM, THEIR MOST RECENT CASE WAS IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA, THAT THE COURT UNANIMOUSLY AGREED THAT A LPR DATA DOES NOT, OR AAL PR TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT VIOLATE FOURTH AMENDMENT. I'M HAPPY TO SEND YOU FOLLOW UP CASE STUDIES THAT HAVE EXPLANATIONS AS TO WHY. OKAY. AND THEN, BUT WITHIN THAT, UH, FOURTH AMENDMENT, WITHIN THAT FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHT, UH, PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THEY GET IN THEIR CAR, IF THEY GO HOME, THEY'RE ABLE, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO SEE THAT INFORMATION, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY NOT BE TRACKING IT, YOUR, YOUR TECHNOLOGY CAN ALLOW IT TO BE SEEN RIGHT THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, THE TECHNOLOGY TAKES A PICTURE OF A PUBLIC DOCUMENT ON A PUBLIC ROADWAY AT A CERTAIN POINT IN TIME. UM, AND SO, NO, IT'S NOT TRACKING SOMEONE'S MOVEMENT. IT'S TAKING A PICTURES OF SOMEONE'S LICENSE PLATE AT A CERTAIN POINT ON TIME ON A PUBLIC ROADWAY. OKAY. AND THEN HOW, HOW DOES, HOW DOES THE, UH, IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF HOW YOUR PRIVATE COMPANY WORK, BECAUSE I CAN ONLY CAN, I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO WHAT WE DO UP HERE. UM, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE KNOW LIKE THE, UM, THAT THE DATA THAT'S BEING BROUGHT IN IS, COULD NOT BE USED TO FURTHER LIKE, FINANCIAL GAIN OF YOUR COMPANY BECAUSE YOU KIND OF KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN PARTICULAR AREAS OR REGIONS IN, IN THE CITY THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, IT'S EXPLICITLY STATED IN YOUR CONTRACT, FLOCK DOES NOT OWN THE DATA OF THE CITY OF CHANDLER AND FLOCK DOES NOT SELL THE CITY THE DATA OF THE CITY OF CHANDLER. UM, AND SO THAT WOULD NOT EVEN BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE A PART OF. AND YOUR DO YOUR COMPANY DOES, DO YOUR COMPANY DO STUDIES OR RESEARCH IN TERMS OF, UM, WHAT THE DATA IS OR WHAT YOU CAN DO TO FURTHER ADVANCE? LIKE LET'S SAY YOU TAKE A, A PARTICULAR AREA AND YOU'RE ABLE TO STUDY IT THROUGH YOUR DATA. DO YOUR, UM, DO YOUR COMP, DO YOUR COMPANY DO STUDIES LIKE THAT TO FIGURE OUT, HEY, HOW CAN WE MAKE, UM, THIS PROGRAM BE EXPANDED OR DO BETTER? DO YOU TAKE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE LEARNING FROM THE DATA TO DO BETTER TECHNOLOGY MANEUVERING, UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, ARE YOU ASKING MORE TO IMPROVE, LIKE, THE SPECIFIC TECHNOLOGY OF LIKE MAKING SURE WE CAPTURE A CLEARER PICTURE OF A LICENSE PLATE OR MORE JUST LIKE MORE CLARIFICATION ON THAT? YEAH, JUST, JUST MORE CLEARER PICTURE, MORE CRISPIER, UM, PICTURES OF THINGS. YEAH. YEAH. THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, UM, ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO IMPROVE OUR PRODUCT. AND SO THE WAYS THAT, THAT, THAT WAS DONE, YOU KNOW, I CAN, I, I CAN'T GO TO SPECIFICS 'CAUSE I'M NOT ON THE PRODUCT TEAM. HOWEVER, UM, THE POINT OF IMPROVING THE PRODUCT IS TO MAKE SURE IT'S A BETTER TOOL FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO USE. UM, WE ALSO STATE THAT THIS IS NOT LIKE A, A TOOL THAT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT THE, IF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SEES THAT A LICENSE PLATE COMES UP, WE ALSO STATE THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE THE HUMAN JUDGMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT LICENSE PLATE MATCHES THE PICTURE. AND TO THAT POINT, UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO IMPROVE THE TECHNOLOGY SO THE OFFICER HAS MORE TIME TO DO THEIR JOBS VERSUS TRY TO DO JUDGMENT CALLS. SO MY OTHER, UM, MY OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR YOU, UM, UM, IS SURROUNDING HOW, SO THERE'S YOU GUYS, I WENT ON YOUR WEBSITE AND I LOOKED AT THE DRONE, THE DRONE, UM, UM, THE [01:15:01] DRONE, UH, PROGRAM THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. IT LITERALLY SAYS THAT IT CAN, IT CAN SEE SOMEONE 2000 FEET AWAY AND IT CAN COVER 50 MILES, SQUARE MILES. THAT'S ALMOST THE WHOLE ENTIRE CITY OF CHANDLER TO, AND THEN WHEN IT GOES UP IN THE AIR TO, UH, WHEN IT GOES UP IN THE AIR TO LOOK FOR THE SUSPECT, HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT PROGRAM WORKS AND ABLE TO LOOK FOR THE PROGRAM WHEN IT SAID THAT YOU GUYS DON'T USE ARTIFICIAL OR A FACIAL RECOGNITION PROGRAM? YEAH. UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, UM, THE DFR PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE, THE DRONE IS FIRST RESPONDERS. WHEN THE CAMERA IS IN ROUTE TO WHERE A CRIME IS HAPPENING, IS A FORWARD FACING CAMERA. IT'S NOT LOOKING DOWN, TRACKING PEOPLE'S MOVEMENTS. UM, AND SO IT'S A FORWARD FACING CAMERA AND IT DOESN'T USE ANY FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY. AND THERE'S SOMEONE, A PHYSICAL PERSON THAT'S ACTUALLY OPERATING THAT SYSTEM. IT'S NOT AN AI SOFTWARE THAT DOES IT. OKAY. SO, BUT I'M SAYING LIKE, WHEN IT FLIES IN THE AIR AND THEN IT LOOKS DOWN MM-HMM . IT CAN SEE 50 SQUARE MILES. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. LIKE, IT CAN, IT CAN, IT CAN SEE 50 SQUARE MILES. AND I, I'M KIND OF CONCERNED THAT WHEN WE USE IT FOR THE 9 1 1 RESPONSE, IT CAN SEE 50 SQUARE MILES. HOW DOES IT KNOW WHAT SUBJECT IS TRACKING? LIKE WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A PARTICULAR PERSON, PERSON, HOW DOES IT KNOW THAT IT'S TRACKING THE RIGHT PERSON? UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, UM, UH, CHANDLER, CITY OF CHANDLER DOES NOT ACTUALLY USE OUR DFR TECHNOLOGY, UM, OR OUR DFR PRODUCTS. AND SO, UM, I CAN GO INTO SPECIFICS AND I CAN HAVE OUR PRODUCT TEAM ACTUALLY TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE DFR. BUT AS IT RELATES TO CHANDLER, YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE THAT PROGRAM HERE. OKAY. AND THEN I GUESS MY OTHER, THE, UM, TO THE CITY MANAGER HAD ONE PARTICULAR QUESTION. UM, IT'S JUST IN TERMS OF WHERE'D HE GO? HE STEPPED OUT TO TALK TO SOME CONSTITUENTS. HE'S WORKING CATS. OH MY GOD. GET HIM BACK IN HERE. WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU. I'M NOT DONE YET THOUGH, MAYOR. I'LL COME BACK TO THAT. UM, THANK YOU. UM, SO JOHN, I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OVERSIGHT. UM, WHO, WHO HAS OVERSIGHT OVER THIS PROGRAM? MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER OR HARRIS, IN ANYTHING WE DO IN THE CITY? THIS COUNCIL HAS OVERSIGHT. IF IT IS A POLICY ISSUE, YOU SET THE POLICY DIRECTION THAT THE CITY STAFF FOLLOWS, AND MY JOB IS TO EXECUTE. BUT EVEN IN THE OPERATING DECISIONS THAT, THAT ARE MY PURVIEW TO EXECUTE, YOU HAVE OVERSIGHT OVER ME. SO THIS COUNCIL IS THE OVERSIGHT BODY FOR THIS ORGANIZATION ON ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING THAT WE DO. OKAY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE MY NEXT LINE OF QUESTIONING IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE POWER OF OVERSIGHT AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT WE HAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY. UH, AND I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS, YOU KNOW, IS THE FACT THAT KIND OF FLOCK, UM, CONTRACT IS A BUSINESS MODEL AND A PART OF THEIR BUSINESS MODEL IS YOUR DATA SHARING. UM, AND I JUST KIND OF FEEL THAT THERE'S SOME PUBLIC TRUST THAT HAS TO, THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE FLOCK HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY LIKE, INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT'S HERE, THERE MAY BE A LOT OF CONFUSION BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE, THE NON INVOLVEMENT OF FLOCK BEING IN THE COMMUNITY TO EXPLAIN SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING. UM, BUT I DON'T, I WANT TO HAVE A STRONG INFRASTRUCTURE AND I, I DO BELIEVE IN, UM, POLICE SAFETY AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE STRONG OVERSIGHT OVER IT. AND THIS COUNCIL HAS NOT NECESSARILY DONE THAT YET. UM, THE FLOCK MARKET, THE FLOCK MARKET IS NATIONWIDE SYSTEM THAT IN THAT, IN IT LITERALLY PUTS BILLIONS OF LICENSE PLATES AND, AND SCANNERS INTO A SYSTEM EVERY SINGLE, UM, WORLDWIDE YEARLY AND INVESTIGATIONS BY CIVIL RIGHTS AND TECHNOLOGY GROUPS SHOW AGENCIES ROUTINELY RUN RUNNING LARGE NUMBERS OF BROAD OPEN-END SEARCHES, NOT JUST LOOKING FOR STOLEN CARS OR MISSING PERSONS. IN SOME CITIES, FEDERAL AGENCIES HAVE USED FLOCK DATA, UM, HAVE USED FLOCK DATA DESPITE LOCAL PROMISES TO LIMIT THAT KIND OF COOPERATION. UM, ONCE A RESIDENTS, ONCE MOVEMENTS ENTER INTO THE ECOSYSTEM, WE LOSE REAL CONTROL OVER WHO CAN LOOK AT THEM AND, AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE. SO WE, WE LOSE THAT WHEN WE HAVE THIS UP. AND MY SECOND CONCERN, MY SECOND CONCERN WITH FLOCK WAS ABOUT THE, UM, THE MISUSE AND ABUSE OF FLOCK. UM, WE WERE TOLD, WE ARE TOLD THAT THE INTERNAL POLICIES AND THE AUDIT LOGS ARE ENOUGH, BUT IN THE REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE SAYS, TELLS US THAT OTHERWISE, IN MILWAUKEE, MILWAUKEE ONE OFFICER HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH USING FLOCK TO STALK HIS EX-GIRLFRIEND AND A SECOND OFFICER UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR SIMILAR MISUSE. OTHER INVESTIGATIONS HAVE DOCUMENTED [01:20:01] FLOCK ENABLE SURVEILLANCE OF PROTESTORS, TARGETING OF MINORITY COMMUNITIES, AND TRACKING OF PEOPLE SEEKING HEALTHCARE SERVICES. THESE ARE, THESE ARE REAL, UM, DOCUMENTED THAT THESE ARE REAL THINGS THAT HAVE HARMED COMMUNITIES AND IN, IN REAL LIFE. AND, AND USING THE SAME PLATFORM WE'RE ASKING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ASKING TO RENEW. BUT MY THIRD CONCERN IS THIS IS COMMUNITY TRUST AND, AND LOCAL CONTROL. YOU KNOW, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, VETERAN AND SOMEONE THAT'S COMMITTED TO EMPOWERING PEOPLE, I THINK I SUPPORT TOOLS THAT GENUINELY KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOODS SAFE. UM, BUT POWERFUL TECHNOLOGY WITHOUT STRONG LOCAL CONTROL GUARDRAILS. UM, LAND LANDS HARDEST ON COMMUNITIES THAT ARE REALLY OVER POLICE AND UNDER RESOURCED. AND WHEN RESIDENTS BELIEVE EVERY TRIP TO WORK, SCHOOL, CHURCH, OR THE DOCTOR IS LOGGED IN A NATIONAL DATABASE, IT UNDERMINES TRUST IN BOTH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND IN THIS COUNCIL. SO I DO BELIEVE THERE IS A PATH FORWARD. THERE IS A PATH FORWARD, THREE CONCRETE STEPS. I DO BELIEVE, UM, UM, WE NEED TO PAUSE THE RENEWAL ON THE REQUEST ON THE, ON THE PUBLIC REPORT, BUT PAUSE THIS RENEWAL AND REQUEST SO THAT WAY, UM, AND ON HOW FLOCK IS USED IN CLER TODAY. SO WE NEED TO TAKE A PAUSE AND FIGURE OUT HOW IS IT BEING USED CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THROUGH THE AUDIT TOOLS. UM, WHAT, WHAT THE USE CARES, UH, WHAT CASES ARE THERE AND WHAT OUTCOMES HAVE WE SEEN AND HOW AND WITH WHOM WE SHARE DATA WITH INCLUDING OTHER LOCAL, STATE, OR FEDERAL AGENCY. JUST A SUMMARY OF WHAT INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS HAVE FOUND ABOUT FLOCK'S, BENEFITS AND RISKS HERE IN CHANDLER. UM, THE SECOND IS, UM, TO DEVELOP, WE DO NEED TO DEVELOP A CITYWIDE SURVEILLANCE AND GOVERNANCE ORDINANCE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THE CITY OF CHANDLER. AND I, I KNOW PERSONALLY THAT I APPRECIATE GOOD OVERSIGHT. AND UNFORTUNATELY THE ONLY THING THAT'S BEING PRODUCED CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW IS THROUGH POLICY. WE TRUST OUR CHIEF, WE TRUST WHAT THEY DO, BUT THAT'S ONLY A POLICY. WE NEED TO HAVE A STRONG, UM, ORDINANCE, UM, A ORDINANCE TO, TO GOVERN THAT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT STAFF TO BRING FORTH, UH, A ORDINANCE THAT ACTUALLY DEFINES HOW, WHERE SURVEILLANCE AND TECHNOLOGIES, NOT JUST FLOCK, BUT MAYBE USE AND WHAT IS OFF LIMITS. WE NEED TO HAVE THAT, WE NEED TO SET CLEAR RULES FOR HOW LONG DATA CAN BE RETAINED AND WHEN IT CAN BE SHARED. UM, IT NEEDS TO ESTABLISH REAL ENFORCEABLE CONSEQUENCES WHEN THESE TOOLS ARE MISUSED. UM, AND THEN ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US FORM A COMMITTEE OF RESIDENTS AND STAFF TO REVIEW ANY PROPOSED ACQUISITION, RENEWAL OR EXPANSION OF SURVEILLANCE TOOLS, EVALUATE VENDOR PRACTICES AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL, ISSUE A REPORT SO THE COMMUNITY CAN SEE AND PLAIN LANGUAGE, THE TOOLS WE'RE WE USE AND HOW WE USE IT. SO, SO TONIGHT, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THAT. BUT I DO THINK THAT IF COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD WITHOUT AN ORDINANCE RENEWING THIS PARTICULAR, UM, CONTRACT WITH NO GUARDRAILS, WITH REALLY, WE HAVE NO OVERSIGHT BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING TO HOLD THE CITY MANAGER ACCOUNTABLE TO AND THE CITY MANAGER HAS TO HOLD ALL THE TEAM ACCOUNTABLE TO. BUT I HAVE NO REAL GUARDRAILS. I HAVE POLICIES THAT IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE. AND SO THIS IS A BIGGER, IT'S A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN JUST EVEN SAYING THAT THIS BIG SURVEILLANCE, YOU KNOW, IS HAPPENING. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT THAT SPEAKS TO THAT. SO I REALLY WOULD LIKE US AS COUNCIL TO TAKE A MINUTE, TAKE A SEAT BACK AND SAY, HEY, LET'S NOT DO IT THIS TIME. LET'S GET SOME GUARDRAILS. LET'S WORK WITH THE CHIEF, LET'S WORK WITH HIS TEAM. LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE. BUT FOR US TO VOTE, FOR ME TO VOTE YES ON SOMETHING THAT I DON'T EVEN HAVE AN ORDINANCE OR AN OVERSIGHT FOR, IT IS REALLY HARD FOR ME TO DO THAT. AND CURRENTLY I'M IN SCHOOL TO GET MY DOCTOR'S DEGREE IN PUBLIC POLICY. AND THIS IS A AREA THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. UH, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE NOTHING IN WRITING, IT'S JUST LIKE VOTING AND SAYING, DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. BUT I ALSO WANT TO, I HAVE THOSE ARTICLES OF INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH YOU SO YOU CAN KNOW AND CHIEF YOU CAN KNOW, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE POLICIES ABOUT HOW LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOULD WORK, BUT ALSO I HAVE EMAILS FROM A LOT OF RESIDENTS HERE THAT OPPOSE THIS. AND SO IT'S KIND OF ONE [01:25:01] OF THOSE THINGS THAT THESE EMAILS, UM, AND I GOT A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH 'EM. UH, IT MEANS A LOT TO ME. AND I, I JUST THINK THAT IT'S JUST BAD TIMING AND IT'S JUST WE NEED MORE INFORMATION, BUT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR PRIVACY AND ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF OUR PRIVACY AND THE MISUSE OF OUR PRIVACY AND OUR PERSONAL DATA. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE SURVEILLING ME, UM, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT DOING IT IN A WAY. SO I JUST APPRECIATE YOU COMING UP HERE AND TALKING WITH US. I MEAN, WE CAN SIT DOWN AND HAVE SOME MORE CONVERSATIONS, BUT I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO, I'M WILLING TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU AS WELL, SO I, SO YOU CAN HAVE THAT INFORMATION. SO THANK YOU CHIEF. MR. HARRIS, ARE YOU ABLE TO RESPOND TO THOSE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE? AND TALK TO US ABOUT THE TIMING OF THIS TOO, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. UH, APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS. I WILL TELL YOU THAT ANYTHING THAT WE DO IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GUIDED BY THREE AREAS, POLICY TRAINING AND SYSTEMS OF ACCOUNTABILITY. AND WHETHER OR NOT WE AGREE WITH FLOCK BEING THE VENDOR, ANY TECHNOLOGY THAT WE BRING IN TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS VETTED THROUGH CITY. IT, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE NO, UH, THAT THERE ARE APPROPRIATE SAFEGUARDS THAT THE VENDOR MEETS STRINGENT CRITERIA. AND ONLY ONCE THAT IS MEASURED THEN DO, DO, UH, DOES THAT POLICY GET FORWARDED TO US FOR IMPLEMENTATION OR THE COUNCIL FOR A DECISION? I WOULD TELL YOU THAT MONTHLY I SEND REPORTS TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TALKING ABOUT A MONTHLY, MONTHLY RECAP OF, UH, WHAT HAS GONE ON IN OUR REAL TIME OPERATION CENTER WHERE WE UTILIZE FLOCK. AND WE ALSO ARE VERY TRANSPARENT. ANYTHING THAT WE DO IS FOIA, FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT. ANYBODY IN THIS CHAMBER CAN ASK FOR THAT. YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S RUN BY WHO, WHAT POLICE REPORT IT'S CONNECTED TO. AND WE'RE VERY TRANSPARENT. THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE ARE DOING TO HIDE. ALSO, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT, YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PREDOMINANTLY AFFECTING, UH, DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS OR AREAS OF THE CITY. TO BE CLEAR, THESE CAPTURE VEHICLES, NOT PEOPLE WE DO NOT USE. WE, WE DO NOT USE FACIAL RECOGNITION. HEY GUYS, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH, WITH OTHER PEOPLE RESPECTING YOU, PLEASE DO THE SAME. WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT. WE'RE VERY TRANSPARENT ABOUT ANY DATA THAT WE USE AND WHAT IT'S USED FOR. WE ARE A LITERAL OPEN BOOK. SO ANYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO IS UH, TALKING IN THE CROWD RIGHT NOW IS WELCOME TO, UH, LOOK AT THE INFORMATION AND HOW IT'S USED. WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH BEST PRACTICES ACROSS THE STATE AND ACROSS THE NATION. I'M CERTAINLY, UH, PUTTING MY CREDIBILITY OUT ON THE LINE WITH THIS COUNCIL TO TELL YOU THAT IT'S NOT BEING MISUSED. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE INTERNAL SAFEGUARDS AROUND MISUSE. AND IF IT IS MISUSED, LIKE SOME OF THE ONES THAT YOU POINTED TO, PEOPLE WOULD BE TERMINATED SWIFTLY BECAUSE IT'S A VIOLATION OF PUBLIC TRUST AND INTERNAL CREDIBILITY PERIOD. AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN SAY ABOUT THOSE, THOSE TYPE OF SAFEGUARDS OTHER THAN WE TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY. AND BY THE WAY, FLOCK IS ONE VENDOR OF LITERALLY HUNDREDS IN THE CITY OF CHANDLER WHERE TECHNOLOGY IS BEING LEVERAGED EVERY DAY TO MAKE THINGS MORE EFFICIENT OR MORE TIMELY. AND I WOULD SAY THAT WHILE WE CAN TALK ABOUT ABUSES, WE CAN ALSO TALK ABOUT THE INCREDIBLE WINDS WE'VE HAD WHERE WE HAVE FOUND PEOPLE WHO ARE DRIVING AROUND IN A DEMENTIA STATE. WE HAVE SOLVED, UH, CRIMES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED IN THE STREET AND THE VEHICLE FLED AND ONLY, AND I MEAN ONLY BECAUSE OF FLOCK WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO GENERATE A LEAD AND BRING SOMEONE INTO CUSTODY. AND SO IF YOUR FAMILY MEMBER IS THE ONE THAT IS BEING VICTIMIZED IN SOME OF THOSE, THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO LEVERAGE THE TECHNOLOGY APPROPRIATELY AND NOT MISUSE IT. SO WHILE I APPRECIATE, WHILE I APPRECIATE THE, THE COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, WHAT IS GOING ON, UH, AROUND THE COUNTRY, I WOULD ASK ANYBODY IN THIS COUNCIL OR IN THIS CHAMBERS TO IDENTIFY SOMETHING IN THE CITY OF CHANDLER WHERE THIS HAS BEEN MISUSED OR MISAPPROPRIATED OR EVEN IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA. I'M NOT, I'M NOT COMMENTING ON WHAT HAPPENS IN OTHER STATES OR OTHER AREAS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WE RUN A VERY TIGHT, TIGHT SHIP THAT IS BASED ON ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY. THANK YOU, CHIEF. THAT IS FORWARD. SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY RELATED TO THAT IS TALK TO ME ABOUT JUST THE TIMING. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS MADE A SUGGESTION OF LAYING WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT WITH OUR CURRENT CONTRACT AND, UH, WHERE ARE WE AT IN TERMS OF THE RENEWAL TIMES WITH FLOCK, ET CETERA, UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR. I MIGHT HAVE TO, UH, PITCH TO THE CITY ATTORNEY THIS, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE'RE NOT CURRENT WITH OUR, UH, OUR CONTRACT. WE'RE WAITING ON COUNCIL APPROVAL OR COUNCIL ACTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. UH, WE ARE STILL UTILIZING, UH, AN OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT, UM, OF [01:30:01] THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT, BUT IT IS UP FOR RENEWAL AND COUNCIL ACTION. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO? YEAH. SO, UM, CITY ATTORNEY, UH, WHOEVER'S PANELED THE CONTRACT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE VOTED ON THIS, WHAT, THREE YEARS AGO FOR THE FIRST 16 OR TWO YEARS AGO FOR THE FIRST 16 CAMERAS. UH, MAYOR HARKEY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. WE HAD A, A CONTRACT. I DON'T, BUT MICHELLE, WHOEVER. OKAY. I'M JUST FOLLOWING UP ON THE MAYOR'S, MAYOR'S CLIMATE. SO GO AHEAD. SURE. THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, THERE ARE TWO CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE MERGING THEM AS PART OF, UH, THIS AGENDA ITEM. THE FIRST ONE EXPIRED THREE OF 26. THE SECOND ONE, UH, GOES THROUGH THREE OF 27. OKAY. SO WHEN DID WE FIRST APPROVE THE FIRST CONTRACT? MARCH OF 23 FOR 14 CAMERAS. MARCH OF 2314 CAMERA AND THAT VOTE WAS SEVEN. OH, OKAY. WHEN DID WE DO THE SECOND ONE? THE SECOND ONE WAS MAY OF 2025 FOR THE 27. AND THAT VOTE WAS SEVEN. OH AS WELL. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO BE CLARIFY. SO THE ONE ON 3 26 EXPIRED? YES, SIR. THE ONE ON THE SECOND ONE, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA MAKE THIS VERY SIMPLE. 16 AND 24. 16 WAS THE FIRST CAMERA OR FIRST CONTRACT, CORRECT? 14. UH, 14. ALL RIGHT. I'M NOT GONNA MAKE IT CORRECT, I'M GONNA CORRECT MYSELF. OKAY. SO 14 WAS THE FIRST ONE. WHAT WAS THE SECOND ONE? 26. IT'S STILL AT 40? YES. ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHT. SO WHAT AT STAKE TONIGHT IS WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, WE HAVE A CONTRACT OF 3 27 FOR THE 26 UNITS, CORRECT? YES. THAT'S NOT AT STAKE TONIGHT. WHAT IS WE'RE DISCUSSION AT TONIGHT IS REALLY TO RENEW THE FIRST CONTRACT FOR THE 14 UNITS. YES. SO THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, AND MERGE THE CONTRACTS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE PURPOSES FOR ADMINIS. SO THE ONLY ONE RIGHT NOW THAT IS OUT OF, UM, CONTRACT ARE THE FIRST 14. ALRIGHT. UH, THAT'S, BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. IT'S ONE CONTRACT'S ONGOING. IF WE DON'T RENEW THE SECOND ONE, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE A SECOND. ANOTHER ONE FOR AT LEAST A YEAR OR ANOTHER. EIGHT, NINE MONTHS WAS UPPER LEFT, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. CLARIFY. SO I GOT QUESTIONS FOR FLOCK, IF YOU DON'T MIND. SO I HAVE A BUSINESS BACKGROUND, LARGE CORPORATIONS, I WORK LARGE CORPORATIONS. WHAT IS YOUR BUSINESS MODEL THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. UM, CAN YOU SPECIFY FURTHER ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SURE. WHAT IS YOUR BUSINESS MODEL? HOW DO YOU MAKE MONEY? UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. UM, WE WORK WITH AGENCIES, UM, IN PRIVATE COMPANIES AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO, UM, THERE'S OUR, THERE'S A CAMERAS, THE A LPR TECHNOLOGY THAT THE CITIES USE. AND THEN, UM, THEY CONTRACT WITH US SO THAT WE MONITOR THE, UM, HOW'S THE DATA, UM, AND WORK WITH THEM TO FACILITATE THE TECHNOLOGY. I'M NOT ON THE, LIKE THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL IN ORLANDO. UM, I'M NOT ON THE BUSINESS TEAM. AND SO IF YOU WANT MORE SPECIFICS ON HOW THAT WORKS, I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU. SO, OKAY. UH, SO YOU CONTRACT WITH PRIVATE ENTITIES, YOU CONTRACT WITH, UH, PUBLIC ENTITIES, UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL OF ORLANDO? YES. LIKE CITIES? YES. THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL OF ORLANDO. YES. TOWNS, YES. COUNTIES. MM-HMM . FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. NO, WE DO NOT PARTNER AT THE FEDERAL. OH, I'M SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. UH, MEANING WE DO YOU HAVE CONTRACTS WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UM, THROUGH THE, UH, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. UM, BUT I CAN MAYOR AGAIN, RESPECT AND TO GIVE RESPECT. LOOK LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, FOR THOSE YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, FOR THOSE YOU THAT LIVED IN CHANDLER, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 26 YEARS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DECORUM IN THIS CITY UNMATCHED BY ANY OTHER CITY IN THIS, IN THIS VALLEY. SORRY, YOU'RE AGAIN, YOU'RE BEING RUDE. OKAY. YOU MUST NOT BE FROM CHANDLER BECAUSE OUR CHANDLER RESIDENTS ARE NOT BEING RUDE. WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS IN HERE FROM WALMART'S TO ALL KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS. WE NEVER HAD THIS REALLY CROWD. WE IN DATA, EXCUSE ME, MAN, OR DATA CENTERS. SO PLEASE, LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION HERE. EVERYONE WILL HAVE THEIR CHANCE TO TALK. IT'S RUDE FOLKS. COME ON NOW. I DON'T WANT THIS FEDERAL STUFF. HAD FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR STATE GOVERNMENT COME DOWN TO CHANDLER. THAT'S NOT US. SO PLEASE, PLEASE KEEP YOU DECOR. OKAY. UM, FINISH YOUR QUICK THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNSELING ORLANDO, UM, THROUGH THE CONCERN OF, OF MAKING SURE THE FEDERAL AGENCIES DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR DATA. THAT IS UP TO THE CITY OF CHANDLER. YOU CONTROL WHO OWNS, WHO HAS ACCESS TO YOUR DATA, YOU CONTROL WHO YOU SHARE WITH YOUR DATA. UM, AND SO THIS, THE FEDERAL AGENCIES WOULD NOT HAVE ANY BACKDOOR ACCESS TO YOUR, YOUR CITY, UM, IF IT WASN'T ALLOWED. AND TO GET FEDERAL ACCESS TO CITY OF CHANDLER'S DATA, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A THREE GATE PROCESS [01:35:01] WHERE YOUR AGENCY WOULD REQUEST ACCESS TO FEDERAL DATA. THE FEDERAL DA DATA AGENCY WOULD HAVE TO ALSO REQUEST ACCESS TO CHANDLER. AND THEN THERE'S A THIRD APPROVAL PROCESS IN PLACE. AND SO WE HAVE MULTIPLE WAYS THAT THERE WOULD BE NO WAY THAT A FEDERAL AGENCY WOULD BE, HAVE BACKDOOR ACCESS TO THE CITY OF CHANDLER IF IT WAS NOT APPROVED. OKAY. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I'M, AGAIN, YOU'RE SUGGESTING THIS, I'M NOT YEAH. WEIGHING IN EITHER WAY. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE, UH, AGENCY THAT WAS ANNOUNCED EARLIER, LIKE SOME OF THESE, UM, LEAKAGE AND I DUNNO WHAT THE EXACT WORD IS, WAS POTENTIALLY BECAUSE SOMEONE OR SOME PERSON IN THAT AGENCY GAVE THAT DATA OUT. IS THAT A SCENARIO? UM, THROUGH THE COUNCIL, UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT? JUST IF ANOTHER AGENCY, FEDERAL AGENTS, FOR EXAMPLE MM-HMM . OR STATE AGENCY, I FOR THEM, THE ONLY, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY, THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO GET THE DATA IS THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE GIVEN TO THEM THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL OF ORLANDO. YES. SO THEN THAT MEANS THAT PERSON, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST USING WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME, THAT PERSON OR PERSONS BROKE THEIR OWN PROTOCOL THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL OF ORLANDO. MEANING IF A FEDERAL AGENCY HAD ACCESS TO, FOR EXAMPLE, CHANDLER'S DATA, THAT THE CITY, THAT THERE WOULD BE A PROTOCOL BREAK ON THE FEDERAL AGENCY'S PART TO ACCESSING THE DATA. NO. IS THAT APPROVAL, WOULD, WOULD IT BE ON THE, THE CHANDLER'S SIDE THAT BROKE THE PROTOCOL? WHAT? OKAY. YOU'RE TELLING ME THIS IS FOOLPROOF, RIGHT? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A HANDLE HERE FOR ME. IF I AM A FEDERAL AGENCY AND I WALK INTO CHANDLER MM-HMM. AND I SAY I WANT TO SEE CHIEF CHAPMAN'S LICENSE PLATE PICKING ON CHIEF, SORRY. ALRIGHT. IT WOULD ONLY BE UP TO SOMEONE IN CHIEF CHAPMAN'S ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD GIVE THAT DATA AWAY IS WHAT YOUR WAS I'M, I'M HEARING YOU SAY YES THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCILMAN ORLANDO. YES. BECAUSE CHANDLER OWNS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF YOUR DATA. WE DON'T MAKE DECISIONS AT FLOCK. OTHER AGENCIES DON'T MAKE DECISIONS ON WHO GETS YOUR DATA. IT IS PURELY ON THE CITY OF CHANDLER. OKAY. SO POTENTIALLY COULD BE BREACHES IN THE DATA SHARING THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. WE WILL NEVER, AND ANY COMPANY WILL SAY THIS, THEY'RE NEVER GONNA GUARANTEE THAT WE ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT, YOU KNOW, UNBREACHABLE. 'CAUSE THERE'S THE THREATS ARE ALWAYS LIVING. HOWEVER, I WILL SAY AT FOX SAFETY, WE TAKE THE THREAT OF A DATA BREACH VERY SERIOUSLY. UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT CLEARANCES THROUGH SOC TWO COMPLIANCE. OTHER THINGS. WE ALSO WORK WITH BISHOP FOX, WHICH IS A CONSULTING FIRM THAT DOES PENETRATIVE TESTING ON OUR SYSTEMS TO MAKE SURE THAT BREACHES AREN'T POSSIBLE. SO WE'RE CONTINUOUSLY APPROVING OUR PRODUCT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THREAT IS MINIMIZED AS MUCH AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE. SO JUST A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS HERE JUST FOR YOU. UM, SO, UM, THE, WHO AUDITS YOUR DATA THROUGH THE AIR TO ENSURE WHO AUDITS YOUR SYSTEM? MAYBE REPHRASE THAT, YOUR SYSTEM TO ENSURE THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US TONIGHT OCCURS THROUGH MAYOR COUNCIL ORLANDO. MEANING WHO ENSURES THAT WE'RE STAYING COMPLIANT AND IN MAINTAINING THOSE LEVELS OF SECURITY CLEARANCES? UM, I KNOW I CAN BRIEFLY SPEAK TO THIS. UM, THROUGH COMPLIANCE, I BELIEVE THERE IS AN ANNUAL DATABASE AUDIT THAT REQUIRES MAKING SURE THAT OUR SECURITIES IS TO THE HIGHEST STANDARD. AND I BELIEVE THAT IN ORDER TO KEEP THESE CERTIFICATIONS TO HAVE THE HIGHEST SECURITY CLEARANCES, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF SECURITY TO HOUSE THAT DATA. SO YOU DO, AND WHO DOES THAT? IS IT IN YOUR OWN INTERNAL FOLKS OR IS IT A THIRD PARTY? UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION. I'M NOT ON THE ENGINEERING TEAM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO CONNECT YOU WITH OUR COME ON GUYS. CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION. ALL RIGHT. SO YEAH, I WISH THE CHIEF INFORM OFFICE HERE BECAUSE WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS ON MONDAY NIGHT, AND I KNOW, I KNOW WHETHER THIS PERSON LIVES OR THESE PEOPLE LIVE, AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN INTERESTING 'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. BREACH OF DATA, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRUST. A LOT OF THAT ACTIVITY IS GOING ON. CORRECT. YEAH. AND SO, AND THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL ORLANDO, I KNOW, AND I CAN SAY THIS, IS THAT WE HAVE NEVER HAD A BREACH IN OUR DATA. AND, AND I CAN CONTINUE TO SAY THAT WE TAKE THAT THREAT VERY SERIOUSLY BECAUSE OF THE INFORMATION THAT IS HOUSED. AND SO WE CONTINUOUSLY FIND WAYS TO IMPROVE OUR, OUR, OUR SECURITY MEASURES AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE HIGHEST STANDARDS. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THAT. I'M SURE THAT THE AUDIENCE WILL HAVE SOME OTHER INPUT ON THIS. CHIEF REAL QUICK, SO WHO AUDITS YOUR DATA CHIEF TO ENSURE THAT OUR BREACHES ARE THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMAN ORLANDO? UH, OUR INTERNAL MECHANISMS THROUGH, UH, COMMANDER'S MANAGERS AND OUR INTERNAL AFFAIRS TEAM. SO YOU HAVE AN AUDIT SYSTEM THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, EVERY 30 DAYS. GOOD. AND YOU, IT'S A ROBUST SYSTEM. AND IF YOU FIND, AS YOU SAID EARLIER, IF YOU FIND SOMETHING HAPPEN, WE FIX IT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. IF, IF THERE'S A BREACH OF THAT INFORMATION, UM, SPECIFICALLY IF PEOPLE ARE UTILIZING THIS INFORMATION FOR PERSONAL GAIN OR SHARING IT OUTSIDE THE NORMS OF WHAT IS ESTABLISHED PROTOCOL, UH, THE DISCIPLINE PROCESS WOULD COMMENCE IMMEDIATELY AND THEY WOULD BE TERMINATED. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL, WE'LL RESERVE QUESTIONS LATER. YEAH, CHIEF, UM, I'LL GO BACK AND WE'LL START HERE. UM, I KNOW ON MON ON MONDAY THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A [01:40:01] CONVERSATION OF US MARSHALS AND YOU THEN GOT BACK TO US AND SAID, WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM. IS THAT CORRECT? THROUGH THE MAYOR, WE DO NOT HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE FEDERAL, UH, MARSHALS, US MARSHALS. WE HAVE DETECTIVES ON A US MARSHALS TASK FORCE WHO HAVE ACCESS TO OUR FLOCK DATA. THERE ARE DETECTIVES THOUGH. OUR DETECTIVES. RIGHT. OKAY. THE, UH, IF YOU'LL SEE WHO WE SHARE DATA WITH, YOU'LL SEE MARSHALL'S OFFICE THAT IS FOR WICKENBURG MARSHALL'S OFFICE, TOMBSTONE MARSHALL'S OFFICE. BUT WE DO NOT HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, US MARSHALS TASK FORCE ONLY, THAT OUR PEOPLE ARE ON THAT TASK FORCE AND HAVE ACCESS TO THAT DATA. YEAH. TELL US AGAIN THAT FOR ONLY ITEMS OF CONCERN, PERHAPS HERE, WHO DON'T WE HAVE CONTRACTS WITH AND THEREFORE DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO OUR DATA, UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR? I'LL, I'LL ASK MICHELLE TO CONFIRM. WE DON'T HAVE, UH, SHARING AGREEMENTS WITH ANY FEDERAL ENTITY. IT IS ONLY THROUGH STATE AND LOCAL PEOPLE IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND ON MONDAY, YOU SAID AS PART OF THAT IS THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIFIC CASE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. IT'S NOT LIKE SOMEONE OUTSIDE CAN JUST SAY, I WANNA SEE YOUR DATA, OR SOMEONE FROM THE OUTSIDE COULD LOOK UP, UH, THEIR EX'S DRIVER'S LICENSE, ET CETERA. RIGHT. UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR, THAT'S ACCURATE. THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT HAPPENS WITH OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION SYSTEMS. EVERYTHING IS TRACKABLE, EVERYTHING IS AUDIBLE. THERE'S GOTTA BE A LAW ENFORCEMENT REASON FOR SEARCHING WITHIN THAT DATABASE. OKAY. SO CONSISTENTLY WE OWN THE DATA AND, UM, FEDERAL AGENCIES DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA US TALS, FBI OR ANYONE ELSE, CORRECT. THROUGH THE MAYOR? THAT'S CORRECT. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OUR PEOPLE ON THE US MARSHALS TASK FORCE. SURE. WHICH ARE CHANDLER DETECTIVES AND, UH, IN FURTHERANCE WITH CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER, IF THERE EVER CAME AN ISSUE WHERE A FEDERAL ENTITY REQUIRED THAT INFORMATION FOR A, FOR AN INVESTIGATION, WE WOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. HOWEVER, UM, IF, IF A SEARCH WARRANT IS SERVED UPON OUR PREMISES FOR THAT INFORMATION, WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE COURT ORDER. THOSE WOULD BE THE ONLY TWO INSTANCES. BUT THOSE ARE, AGAIN, SPECIFIC, NOT, NOT GENERIC, NOT JUST WE, WE WANT IF A SEARCH WARRANT TO HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR FLOCK INFORMATION, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. QUESTIONS OVER HERE? OH, YOU ANSWER MY QUESTIONS. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON. THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU. CHIEF IS, AND I KNOW YOU'VE ANSWERED THIS PROBABLY IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT I WAS DOING THE SAME THING AS MANY OF MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND READING A LOT ABOUT THIS AND TALKING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. IS THERE A MECHANISM WITHIN THE FLUX SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS AN OUTSIDE AGENCY TO SEARCH? SO WHEN THEY ASK FOR IT, IS IT ACTUALLY DELIVERED TO THEM OR DO THEY GO SEARCH FOR IT? WITH OUR PERMISSION, I'M GONNA DEFER THAT. OKAY. TO MICHELLE OR FLY, UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON. I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION ONE MORE TIME SO I UNDERSTAND? SURE. UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE THAT THERE IS A MECHANISM, THEY CALLED IT A NATIONAL SEARCH TOOL. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ACCURATE, BUT I, TO ME, I WAS UNDERSTANDING IT AS SOME SORT OF A MECHANISM TO ALLOW OTHER AGENCIES TO SEARCH OUR DATABASE. SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS, LET'S SAY ANOTHER AGENCY HAS A CASE NUMBER, ALL OF THE THINGS, THE PROTOCOLS BEING FOLLOWED, DO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A MECHANISM THAT WE ALLOW THEM TO SEARCH OUR DATABASE? OR IS IT ACTUALLY PROVIDED BY OUR CHANDLER POLICE DEPARTMENT TO THEM, YOU GUYS, IT WOULD BE UP TO ENROLLING TO THE NATIONAL DATABASE SYSTEM? CORRECT. IT GETS ENROLLED IN NATIONAL THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON. THIS IS THE AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN STATE WITH LOCAL AND COUNTY AND STATE AGENCIES. SO IF THEY REQUEST ACCESS TO US, WE CAN APPROVE IT OR WE CAN DENY IT. IF WE APPROVE IT. NOW, WE HAVE DONE AN INTERAGENCY AGREEMENT BASICALLY SAYING THAT WE WILL SHARE DATA WITH THEM SO WHEN THEY QUERY, THEY CAN SEE THE DATA THAT THEY NEED. OKAY. AND THEN WHEN THEY DO THAT QUERY, IS IT THERE, IS IT SPECIFIC TO THE CASE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR? OR DO THEY HAVE A BROADER ACCESS TO THAT? WOULD WE APPROVE ONE OF THOSE AGREEMENTS THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, UH, THERE ARE MANDATED FIELDS THAT THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT TO SHOW WHAT INVESTIGATION SPECIFICALLY THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. OKAY. SO IF ANOTHER AGENCY IN ARIZONA MAKES THAT REQUEST, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE ACTUAL CASE NUMBER, OTHER MANDATED FIELDS, AND THEY HAVE TO ENTER ALL OF THAT INFORMATION BEFORE THEY ARE GIVEN THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER POST, AND THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. SO IT'S GENERALLY ONE ITEM AT A TIME THAT THEY MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR. CORRECT. OKAY. [01:45:01] AND THEN, UM, IF I COULD JUST ASK CHIEF OR , HOW MANY COMPLAINTS HAVE WE HAD? WE'VE HAD FLOCK SERVICE FOR THREE YEARS IN OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH THE MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY COMPLAINT ABOUT, UH, THE USE OR MISUSE OF FLOCK TECHNOLOGY IN THE CITY OF CHANDLER. OKAY. SO BEFORE THIS EVENING, WE'VE HAD THIS FOR THREE YEARS AND NO COMPLAINTS TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT OR IF ANYBODY IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE MIGHT KNOW. MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY ACTUAL COMPLAINTS MADE OVER THE MISUSE OF FLOCK DATA IN THE LAST THREE YEARS SINCE WE'VE HAD THIS CONTRACT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. THANKS MAYOR. SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION, HAVE WE HAD ANY, EXCUSE ME, YOU WILL HAVE YOUR CHANCE TO POTENTIALLY TALK. SHOULD I ASK A QUESTION? NEEDS TO BE REMOVED? SHOULD, DO WE HAVE, HAVE WE HAD ANY DISCIPLINE PROBLEMS OR MISUSES OF FLOCK WITHIN THE CITY OF CHANDLER IN THE LAST THREE YEARS? EITHER THE FIRST CONTRACT OR THE SECOND? HAS THERE BEEN ANY THINGS WITHIN THERE IN WHICH THERE HAS, WE'VE HAD TO CHANGE POLICIES BECAUSE WE SAW MISUSE OR WAS THERE ANYTHING AT ALL THAT DID NOT SERVE THE PUBLIC GOOD THROUGH TRANSPARENCY OR, OR, OR ANY ABUSE TO THE MAYOR? UH, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. I, I WILL TRIPLE CHECK AND GET BACK TO YOU IF THAT IS INCORRECT, BUT I'M AWARE OF NONE OF THOSE, UH, THAT WE'VE HAD IN THESE MEETINGS REGARDING FLOCK AND MISUSE OF THE INFORMATION. AND CAN I JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT PLEASE? WELL, ONE THING THAT I, I WANNA MAKE CLEAR IS WHEN WE GET A LICENSE PLATE FROM FLOCK FOR WHAT, WHATEVER INVESTIGATION, UM, I JUST WANNA CLEAR WHAT HAPPENS FROM THERE. WE RUN THAT LICENSE PLATE THROUGH N-C-I-C-A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SYSTEM. THAT SYSTEM THEN GENERATES WHO THE OWNER OF THAT VEHICLE IS AND THE FOLLOW INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, THAT INFORMATION NEVER GOES THROUGH. FLOCK IS RETAINED BY FLOCK. IT IS A SEPARATE SYSTEM. IT JUST CAPTURES THE LICENSE PLATE AND THE VEHICLE. NOT ANY DRIVER DATA, NOT ANY OWNER DATA. CORRECT. OKAY. COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKER CARDS HERE, BUT ANY COMMENTS BEFORE MAYOR? COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS? YES. THANK YOU. UM, I, I THINK, UH, I MEAN I HEARD WHAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER SAID, BUT I JUST KIND OF WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WHEN THE DATA LEAVES CHANDLER FROM THE SYSTEM, IT GOES INTO FLOS DATA STORAGE CLOUD SYSTEM. CORRECT. COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. IT IS THROUGH THE AWS CLOUD SERVICE THAT, UM, YES. AND SO WHEN THAT DATA LEAVES TO GO, LEAVES CHANDLER AND GOES TO THAT CLOUD, WHO THEN, HOW DO WE GUARANTEE THAT OUR DATA NOW THAT IT LEFT CHANDLER TO GO TO THE CLOUD, HOW DO WE GUARANTEE THAT THAT INFORMATION FROM OUR RESIDENTS, OUR PRIVACY IS BEING PROTECTED? WHO AUDITS THE CLOUD SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR INFORMATION THAT JUST LEFT CHANDLER TO GO TO THE CLOUD TO BE STORED? WHO AUDITS THAT? UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL BO HARRIS, WHEN YOUR, YOUR DATA NEVER LEAVES CHANDLER, IT IS STILL CHANDLER'S DATA. AND SO REGARDLESS OF NO, I'M, I GUESS I'M ASKING, THE CLOUD IS NOT IN CHAN, WHERE IS THE CLOUD AT IN CHANDLER? WHERE IS IT AT HERE? UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL BO HARRIS. IT IS AN AWS CLOUD SERVICE. UM, I CANNOT GIVE YOU THE LOCATION 'CAUSE I'M NOT A, AN ENGINEER. HOWEVER, YES. UM, THE, IT IS ENCRYPTED THROUGH EVERY TRANSIT PROCESS WHEN IT GETS THROUGH THERE. AND SO THE AWS SERVICE THAT IS A PART OF, LIKE I SAID, IS OF THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF CLOUD SECURITY THROUGH ENCRYPTION. UM, AND SO THERE'S ENGINEERS IN THAT SYSTEM WHO MONITOR VERY SENSITIVE DATA AND AND CONTINUOUSLY AUDIT THAT SENSITIVE DATA TO ENSURE IT STAYS SENSITIVE, UM, TO MAKE, 'CAUSE WE DO HOLD THAT HIGH STANDARD OF COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL AGENCY OR WITH, UM, WITH PROTECTION OF CONSTITUENT AGENCY INFORMATION AND SUCH. RIGHT. AND, AND SO I GET THAT. SO WHAT I'M SAYING TODAY IS THAT WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT DATA LEAVES CHANDLER AND GOES INTO THE AWS CLOUD SYSTEM, YOU SAID IT'S PROTECTED, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING AS A OVERSIGHT, AS A PERSON THAT'S REQUIRED, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S DOING OVERSIGHT. CAN I OD HARRIS, CAN A COUNCIL MEMBER OF CHANDLER GO TO THAT DATA CENTER, THAT AWS CLOUD AND AUDIT THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT MY RESIDENTS, UM, INFORMATION IS BEING PROTECTED AND THAT THEY HAVE SAFE POLICIES AND PRACTICES AND, AND ALL THAT? CAN I GO THERE THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCILOR HARRIS? I'M NOT THROUGH THE SURE. ABOUT THE LOGISTICS OF HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN. I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE A MORE TECHNICAL ANSWER AND TALK TO [01:50:01] OUR CHIEF SECURITY OFFICER WITH THAT INFORMATION. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, LIKE COUNSEL, COUNSEL, WE CAN'T, WE CAN REGULATE WHAT'S HERE, BUT WE CAN'T REGULATE WHAT'S OVER THERE. AND YOU'RE ASKING ME TO MAKE A DECISION THAT REGULATES HERE. THAT'S OVER THERE ON HOLD, HOLD ON. COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS, YOU CAN RESPOND TO ME, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT IS THAT THE POINT IS THIS, THE POINT IS, I CAN'T GO OVER THERE AND LOOK AT IT AND BECAUSE I CAN'T GO OVER THERE AND LOOK AT IT, I HAVE MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT'S OVERSIGHT. THAT IS OUR JOB TO LOOK, TO MAKE SURE, TO PROTECT IT. SO THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. SO I IT'S NOT, LISTEN, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE A SPECTACLE OF ANYTHING. I'M JUST SIMPLY TRYING TO PROTECT OUR PRIVACY. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT? WHAT IS WRONG WITH ARGUING FOR THAT? THERE'S NOTHING WRONG FOR ARGUING FOR THAT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S A LEVEL OF, UM, THERE THERE'S A LEVEL THAT I REALLY AM CONCERNED ABOUT. AND BECAUSE I CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO IT FOR ME. AND I RESPECT THAT YOU HAVE THAT ABILITY. I, I RESPECT THAT WE HAVE DETECTIVES WITH THE US MARSHALS, WE HAVE ALL THAT. I RESPECT THAT. AFTER LOOKING TO THIS FURTHER, YOU KNOW, I ACCEPT ACCOUNTABILITY FOR SAYING YES WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING ALL THIS INFORMATION. BECAUSE GUESS WHAT, TODAY I'M LEARNING A LOT THAT I DID NOT KNOW. THIS IS MY FIRST, SECOND TIME MEETING YOU. I, WE, I NEVER HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, BUT WE'RE HAVING A INTIMATE CONVERSATION NOW BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE IT BEFORE. AND SO ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE. MY JOB IS OVERSIGHT UNTIL I'M DONE BEING A COUNCIL MEMBER, I WANNA LOOK AT EVERY DOCUMENT, EVERY CORRESPONDENT, I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE CONTRACT. AND I WANNA KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THAT ENTAILS. I MEAN, I'M LEARNING MORE AND MORE EVERY DAY, BUT I'M ONLY PUTTING MYSELF OUT THERE IN THIS VULNERABLE WAY TO ONLY SIMPLY SAY, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE A ACCOUNTABLE. AND I WANNA, AND THOSE PEOPLE OUT THERE, THEY VOTE FOR ME AND US. I HAVE TO RESPOND TO THEM. BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I HAVEN'T BEEN SEEING SOME OF THESE THINGS. I APPRECIATE STAFF. I KNOW THEY TAKE CARE OF THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT PRIVACY IS ON THE LINE HERE. AND I THINK THERE'S SO MANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT I COULD HAVE AND KNOW TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY IS, IS RECKLESS. BECAUSE THEN I WILL BE, NOW THAT I KNOW THE INFORMATION, THEY SAY, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT THEN? AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GONNA LAY IN MY COMMENTS THERE. UM, MAYOR, SO THANK YOU. THANK COUNCIL MEMBER. I, I DO BELIEVE THE, UH, CONTRACT IS IN OUR PACKET THAT IS ON STAGE. YEAH, MAYOR. AND DID WE HAVE A DEEP DIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT CONTRACT? 'CAUSE WE SHOULD BE HAVING IT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? WE ARE DOING THAT. WE'RE DOING IT VOTING ON THIS RIGHT NOW. AND SO WE ALL HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU CALLING ME OUT RIGHT NOW, MAYOR, AND THAT'S NOT COOL BECAUSE YOU, IF YOU KNOW THE CONTRACT, THEN WE SHALL, I WANNA HEAR YOUR CITATION OF THE CONTRACT. DON'T CALL ME OUT. I'M JUST TRYING TO BE HONEST WITH THE PEOPLE THAT'S OUT HERE, MAYOR. SO IF YOU, IF WE WANNA SIT DOWN AND HAVE A CONTRACT CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, LET'S DO THAT. LET'S HAVE A STUDY SESSION, LET'S HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, LET'S DO ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT WE DID NOT DO THAT. AND A PART OF MY JOB IS OVERSIGHT, SO I'M JUST BEING ACCOUNTABLE, RESPONSIBLE AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO ACCEPT SOME ACCOUNTABILITY HERE AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING THAT TODAY. WE'RE IGNORING IT. COUNCIL, ANOTHER QUESTION. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I . SO I, AND IF, IF WE'D LIKE TO PUT THIS AT THE END, UM, I KNOW YOU WANT TO GET TO SOME OF OUR COMMENTS OF OUR RESIDENTS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER IT'S FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY OR CITY MANAGER, WHAT, AND ONE OF COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS'S SUGGESTIONS WAS AN ORDINANCE OR SOME SORT OF LOOK AT THAT. SO I'D BE CURIOUS TO FIND OUT WHETHER WE CAN ANSWER THAT TONIGHT OR AT ANOTHER TIME. UM, WHAT THAT WOULD ENTAIL AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFICULT TO CRAFT, BUT I'D BE INTERESTED IN FINDING THAT OUT. THE QUESTION I DO HAVE FOR FLOCK AND I THINK, UM, THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS BROUGHT UP IS, IS THERE AN OPTION FOR SOME SORT OF THIRD PARTY OVERSIGHT OF THE FLOCK DATA? I THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT OFFSITE SERVERS WHERE YOU'RE HOSTING YOUR DATA. SO YOU HAD MENTIONED MAYBE ONCE A YEAR. ARE THERE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO AUDIT THAT DATA AND, AND AGAIN, A THIRD PARTY OVERSIGHT, UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER POST MEANING OVERSIGHT ON HOW THIS DATA SECURITY IS, IS DONE, OR I I JUST WANT MORE SPECIFIC. I I SUPPOSE WHETHER IT WOULD BE THE DATA SECURITY, WHETHER IT'S BEEN ACCESSED INAPPROPRIATELY, I THINK I, YOU KNOW, I THINK CHIEF CHAPMAN EXPLAINED VERY WELL HOW CHANDLER [01:55:01] HAS, UM, A LOT OF OVERSIGHT, A LOT OF SECURITY ON OUR DATA, AND THEY'RE VERY PROACTIVE IN MAKING SURE THAT IT'S NOT BEING MISUSED OR USED INAPPROPRIATELY. I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF ON THE COMPANION SIDE THAT FLOCK HAS SOMETHING SIMILAR OR AN OPTION THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT, UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER POSTING. UM, ONE THING I DO WANNA MENTION THAT I FAILED TO MENTION WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS' QUESTIONS IS THAT ONCE THE, THE DATE, THE ENCRYPTED DATA, THE CHANDLER'S ENCRYPTED DATA REACHES THE AWS CLOUD SERVICE, IT IS DELETED AFTER 30 DAYS. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ANNUAL AUDITS, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT INFORMATION WOULD EVEN BE THERE PAST ON DAY 31. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE, I CAN HAVE OUR CHIEF COMPLIANCE OFFICER AGAIN, REACH OUT TO YOU GUYS AND INDIVIDUALLY MEET WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT, UM, GOING THROUGH THE SECURITY MEASURES AND HOW THE AWS CLOUD SERVICE SIDE WORKS SINCE HE IS A SECURITY OFFICER AND CAN GIVE YOU THE VERY NUANCED, VERY DIRECT ANSWERS ON HOW THAT WORKS. UM, I'M COMMITTED TO HAVING THAT HAPPEN. OKAY. BUT OUR DATA IS DELETED EVERY 30 DAYS AS WELL. WE STILL HAVE ONGOING OVERSIGHT OF OUR DATA. SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IS THERE AN OPTION WHERE WE COULD GET SOME ASSURANCES THAT IT'S NOT BEING ACCESSED INAPPROPRIATELY OR BEING BREACHED? YEAH. UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, AND I'LL DEFER TO THE CITY MANAGER. I DO BELIEVE THERE'S A, A MENTION IN THE CONTRACT THAT IF ANY DATA IS MISUSED, UM, THEN THAT WOULD, THAT THERE, THERE'S AN OPTION TO END THE CONTRACT. RIGHT. AND SO YOU SAY YOU'RE DOING AN AUDIT ONCE A YEAR. UM, HOW WOULD WE KNOW IF THAT DATA HAD BEEN MISUSED? THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT. OKAY. THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER HOST. AND, UM, IF THERE'S ANY MISUSE OF DATA, EVERYTHING IS LOGGED AND AUDIBLE AND TRACKED THROUGH OUR SYSTEMS. AND SO WE CAN ALWAYS SHARE THAT WITH YOU. UM, AND SO YES, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN COMMIT TO. SO, SO YOU DO HAVE AN AUDIT PROCESS AND IT IS TRACKABLE AND YOU CAN SHARE IT WITH US. COULD WE, IS THAT BUILT IN THAT WE WOULD GET A REPORT EVERY 30 DAYS? WE COULD GET ONE EVERY 60 DAYS, SOMETHING AT LEAST EQUIVALENT TO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN CHANDLER SO THAT WE, WE CAN HAVE ACCESS TO YOU. IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT CHANDLER'S DATA. AND SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT MORE OF LIKE MEETING EVERY FLOCK DATA IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OR NO, NO, I THINK, WHAT WE'RE, I, I THINK , LET'S SEE, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO ARTICULATE THIS. I'M REALLY TRYING TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS WAS TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. SO THE CITY OF CHANDLER HAS A 30 DAY RETENTION POLICY, SO IT'S DELETED AFTER THAT MM-HMM . BUT THE CITY OF CHANDLER ALSO HAS A POLICY THAT OUR, OUR CHIEF AND OUR COMMANDERS AND OUR EXECUTIVE STAFF ARE TAKING A LOOK AND MAKING SURE THAT IT IS NOT ACCESSED INAPPROPRIATELY. THERE'S A POLICY AROUND THAT AND A PROCEDURE. MM-HMM . IS THERE A POLICY AND PROCEDURE THAT FLOCK FOLLOWS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR DATA ON THE SERVER SIDE IS NOT BEING ACCESSED INAPPROPRIATELY? AND DO YOU HAVE A POLICY AND PROCEDURE IN PLACE THAT COULD BE SHARED WITH US OR A PART OF THIS CONTRACT TO GIVE US THE ASSURANCES THAT FLOCK HAS THAT SAME LEVEL OF POLICY AND PROCEDURE THAT THE CITY OF CHANDLER DOES THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCILOR POSTON. UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CLARIFICATION AND YES, WE CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE SPECIFICS OF THE CONTRACTS. AGAIN, I'M NOT ON THE LEGAL TEAM AND I'M NOT NEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT, BUT WE ARE COMMITTED TO SHARING THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU AND I CAN MAKE SURE THAT OUR TEAM CONNECTS WITH YOUR TEAM TO SEE IF THERE'S INFORMATION WE CAN ADD OR NOT ADD TO THE CONTRACT. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN, AGAIN, SINCE I'M NOT DEALING WITH THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS, CAN'T COMMIT TO, I, I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT THE DEPTH OF THAT COMMUNIC OR THE DEPTH OF THAT YEAH. UM, AUDIT MIGHT BE AND WHO HANDLES IT AND KIND OF HOW THAT PROCESS WOULD WORK. THANK YOU. THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNSELOR POST AND THANK YOU. YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY FOLLOW UP ON THAT. MAYOR, IF I MAY, CITY MAYOR, MAYOR, THIS CONTRACT IS THROUGH A, A COOPERATIVE CONTRACT THROUGH TEMPE. AS PART OF THEIR PROCESS, THEY ASK THE QUESTION, THIS VERY QUESTION. AND THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS THERE'S A QUARTERLY THIRD PARTY AUDIT OF FLOCK DATA QUARTERLY. SO FOUR TIMES A YEAR THIS DATA IS REVIEWED BY A THIRD PARTY, UM, THAT IS COMING DIRECTLY FROM THE TEMPE COOPERATIVE CONTRACT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ASKING. THANK YOU. THAT'S SO MAYOR, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER. I WAS ALSO ASKING, I WANTED TO, UM, MAKE IT A VERY CLEAR TONIGHT THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING UP HERE IS MAKING SURE THAT THE CITY OF CHANDLER IS SAFE. THERE WAS NONE, NONE OF US, INCLUDING MYSELF, IS NOT SITTING HERE TONIGHT LOOKING AT ALL OF YOU. MAJORITY OF YOU PROBABLY ARE NOT FROM CHANDLER, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT YOUR FACES AT, SO WHAT WHAT I'M SAYING TONIGHT IS THAT THE FACT THAT YOU ARE NOT APPLAUDING FOR ME IS SAYING THAT WHAT I'M SAYING IS TRUE. THE IDEA THAT THE IDEA, THE I THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN WALK IN HERE AND DISRUPT OUR MEETINGS ANYHOW, AND ANY WAY YOU WANT TO AND THINK THAT YOU YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT IS REALLY HONEY. IF [02:00:01] IT WAS YOUR MEETING, THEN YOU WOULD'VE HAVE RESPECT FOR YOURSELF. I DO. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. THE, THE THANK YOU FOR CLAPPING FOR HER. THANK YOU FOR CLAPPING FOR HER. MY, THE, THE REASON WHY I WANTED TO SPEAK IS BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE, THERE IS A DISTINCTION HERE TONIGHT THAT SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE TRYING TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THIS AND OTHERS ARE NOT. AND THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THE FACT THAT ALL OF US ARE LOOKING FOR THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE IN CHANDLER. I LIVE HERE FOR 40 YEARS AND I HAVE WATCHED THIS CITY BEING BUILT. I RAISED MY FAMILY HERE AND SAFETY IS MY NUMBER ONE. MY BACKGROUND IS IN PSYCH. I AM A NURSE PRACTITIONER IN PSYCH. AND SO TODAY, THE FEAR THAT IS BEING PORTRAYED HERE FOR US NOT TO KEEP OUR CITY SAFE, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO DIFFUSE IT RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. AND THE IDEA, THE IDEA THAT SOME OF US DON'T WANT, WANT PLAQUE BECAUSE WE WANT TO TAKE OVER PEOPLE'S PRIVACY. IT IS WRONG. IT IS WRONG. IT, IT IS WRONG BECAUSE THE, THE MOTHER I SPOKE, THE MOTHER THAT I HAVE SPOKEN WITH, THAT WHEN HER CHILD WAS MISSING AND BECAUSE WE HAD FLAW AND WE FIND THAT CHILD, THAT MOTHER IS GRATEFUL, ONE OF MY EMPLOYEES WHO WERE WALKING ON, UM, ON MC, QUEEN AND CHANDLER BOULEVARD AND A DRUNK HIT HIM. AND WE WERE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT LICENSE PLATE. I AM NOT HAVING A DEBATE WITH YOU, AND AT THIS TIME, I AM NOT HAVING A DEBATE WITH YOU TONIGHT. I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS IS SPEAKING. I AM NOT HAVING ANY DEBATE WITH ANYONE IN THIS ROOM BECAUSE I CAN ASK FOR YOU TO BE REMOVED OUT OF THIS ROOM. I WILL ASK THE POLICE TO REMOVE YOU OUT OF THIS ROOM. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WHEN I'M SPEAKING, WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING, I, I LISTENED AND I'M SPEAKING, AND YOU NEED TO LISTEN. WHEN MY PATIENT, MY, MY EMPLOYEE DIED, DIED BY A DRUNK DRIVER ON MCQUEEN IN TRENDLER BOULEVARD, IT WAS A FLAG THAT CAPTURED THAT NUMBER OF THE LICENSE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT PERSON THAT JUST DOESN'T AND HELP AND HELP THAT FAMILY HAVE CLOSURE AND HELP THAT FAMILY HAVE CLOSURE. NOBODY WAS AROUND. AND WHAT I AM SAYING HERE FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT WE HAVE HAD THIS IN THE CITY OF CHANDLER, READ THE DATA AND SEE HOW MANY TIME WE HAVE HELPED PEOPLE WITH IT. AND I'M SITTING HERE SAYING THAT I AM TAKING ACCOUNTABILITY, THAT IF ANYTHING HAPPENED THAT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN WITH THIS, THAT WE WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO STOP IT. WE WILL BE THE FIRST ONE BECAUSE I, I I MYSELF, MY DATA WAS STOLEN BY WELLS FARGO EMPLOYEES. SO I'M, I'M, I'M SITTING HERE SAYING THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE CITY OF CHANDLER BECAUSE WE PAY A LOT OF MONEY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE OVERSIGHT THE DATA THAT WE STORE AND MAKE SURE WE TAKE CARE OF IT. THANK YOU MAYOR, FOR ALLOWING ME TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT FOR OUR CITY BECAUSE EVERY ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES TAKE THIS VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY. THANK YOU. I REMEMBER ORLANDO. ALL RIGHT. UM, I, I STARTED THE CONVERSATION EARLIER WHEN I ASKING YOU ABOUT THE AUDIT PROCESS. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS BROUGHT IT UP. COUNCILMAN NOT, NOT YOU. CHIEF. I DON'T NEED TO TALK TO YOU. I NEED TO TALK TO FLOCK. THANK YOU CHIEF. AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN POSTON SPOKE ABOUT IT. I STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN A CLEAR ANSWER. IF IT'S IN OUR CONTRACT, DO A QUARTERLY REVIEW. WHAT ARE WE DOING AND WHO'S DOING IT AND HOW DO I KNOW? I'M, I'M SORRY. I'LL LET YOU DO THE FIRST ONE. HOW IS THE QUARTERLY REVIEW DONE THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO? UM, IF THIS IS PERTAINING TO, IS IT, WHAT TYPE OF ACCESS ARE YOU, WHAT TYPE OF AUDITING ARE YOU QUESTIONING? IS IT ON THE FLOCK SIDE? YEAH. YES. OKAY. YES. UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, UM, THE QUARTERLY REVIEW IS DONE BY, UM, MANAGERS AND IT OFFICIALS AND SECURITY OFFICIALS WITHIN THE FLOCK SYSTEM WHO LOOK AT THE ROLE BASED, UM, AUTHORIZATION AND MFA AUTHORIZATION TO SEE WHO ACCESSES CERTAIN DATA THAT WOULD BE USED FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE OR PRODUCT IMPROVEMENT. THAT WAS DIRECTLY WITH AN AGENCY, AND THAT IS DONE ON A QUARTERLY REVIEW. OKAY. SO WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO YOUR COMPANY TO HAVING CITIES COMP, UH, GO IN WITH YOU AND YOU COULD ROTATE THE CITIES, ROTATE, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE AUDITS THROUGH THE MAYOR ON A QUARTERLY BASIS THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO MEETING, PARTNERED WITH FOX TO DO THOSE AUDITS OR HAVE ACCESS TO THE AUDITS. THIRD. THIRD, WHETHER IT'S A THIRD PARTY COMES IN THERE THAT WE, WE BOTH PAY FOR YOU. CITY OF CHANDLER PAYS FOR YOU, PAY FOR GOES IN THERE, AND THAT DATE ON A QUARTERLY BASIS BY CONTRACT IS DONE QUARTERLY. AND I HAVE NO IDEA, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M HEARING THAT, [02:05:01] UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL ORLANDO. UM, AGAIN, WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THIS WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM. I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY ON OUR TEAM. OKAY. I DON'T MANAGE THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S THE CRUX OF THIS PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. THAT'S THE CRUX OF THIS PROBLEM IS THAT, UM, IT IS, THERE'S A MYRIAD OF CASES WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO SOLVE CASES. AT THE CRUX OF THE PROBLEM IS AT THE, I I TRULY BELIEVE OUR POLICE OFFICERS DOING THE RIGHT JOB. THE, THE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS HOW DO WE KNOW YOU ARE? AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ALL IT BOILS DOWN TO. I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE DOING ANYTHING UNDERHANDED, BUT WE AUDIT EVERYTHING IN OUR COMMUNITY. CHIEF WROTE THAT UP EARLIER. I MEAN, YOU WANT TO GET HOUSING PERMIT, THERE'S AN AUDITOR THERE, RIGHT? YOU GET A SOFTWARE, THERE'S AN AUDITOR THERE. SO WE, IT'S NOTHING WE, WE DO ALL THE TIME. WE AUDIT, UH, OR VALIDATE THAT THAT IS WHAT THE SERVICE BEING DELIVERED IS BEING DELIVERED. SO IT'S NOTHING NEW TO US, MAYBE NEW TO YOU. SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT IN FUTURE, FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD AUDIT, DO A SALE AUDIT WITH YOU OR HAVE A THIRD PARTY WE AGREE WITH SO THAT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THE DATA YOU'RE GETTING IS NOT BEING MISUSED. THAT'S THE KEY RIGHT HERE IN MY MIND AND THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCILOR ORLANDO, WE'RE DEFINITELY COMMITTED TO HAVING OUR CHIEF INFORMATION AND SECURITY OFFICER, UM, WORKING WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR COUNSEL TO, TO SEE HOW WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, CHIEF, ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY BEFORE WE INVITE PEOPLE TO COMMENT, UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR? THE ONE THING I WOULD, UM, ASK OR, OR, OR SUGGEST IS THAT, UH, TO THE RECOMMENDATION OF COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, IS THAT, UH, PERHAPS WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE MEETING WITH THEIR SECURITY TEAMS. UM, WE BRING IN THEIR EXPERTS ON AUDITING. UH, WE LOOK AT THE TECHNICAL ANALYSIS AND UH, THAT WAY EVERYBODY HAS, UH, A VERY CLEAR PICTURE AND MAYBE, UH, A DIFFERENT SETTING TO VIEW THOSE AND ASK THE SMES FOR THAT. I WOULD WELCOME THAT. THAT WOULD BE GOOD. OKAY. UM, COUNCIL, I'M GOING TO, UM, INVITE PEOPLE UP TO SHARE TO THOSE IN OUR AUDIENCE. AGAIN, YOU'RE SPEAKING TO US. I'LL GIVE EVERYBODY TWO MINUTES. WHEN YOU COME UP, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE. I'LL ALSO CALL THE NEXT PERSON UP SO THAT THEY CAN BE READY IN THE QUEUE TO ALSO SPEAK. MAYOR, UH, BEFORE WE HAVE MAY I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU COUNCIL MEMBER. YEAH. BEFORE WE HAVE PEOPLE COME AND SPEAK, CAN WE, UM, TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO? UH, ARE WE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE REQUEST THIS, UH, WORK SESSION WITH ALL THE, UH, EXPERT THAT, UH, CITY MANAGER AND, UH, OUR DEPARTMENT HAS JUST MENTIONED? CAN WE MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THAT NOW AND THEN WE WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO TALK. I AM WILLING TO SET AN EXEC SESSION TO DO THAT, SO, OKAY. SO THEN WE WILL HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. YEAH. UM, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. OKAY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION. TONIGHT WE WILL HAVE AN EXECUTIVE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. AGAIN, WHEN YOU COME UP, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE. THE LIGHT TURNS GREEN WHEN IT TURNS YELLOW. PLEASE WRAP UP WHEN IT'S RED, THEN YOUR TIME IS UP. OUR FIRST PERSON IS DEN CARLSON AND THE NEXT ONE UP IS TRAVIS GUNVILLE CODON. CADEN, SORRY. YES, SIR. ALRIGHT, UH, GREETINGS MAREN, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS CADEN CARLSON AND I'M BORN AND RAISED IN CHANDLER, ARIZONA. CHANDLER HAS BEEN MY HOME FOR 22 YEARS, UH, AND FROM PRE-K THROUGH GRADUATING HIGH SCHOOL, I ATTENDED SCHOOLS IN THE CUSD DISTRICT. I'VE HAD PARTIES AND GATHERINGS OVER THE YEARS CATERED BY LOCAL BUSINESSES, AND I'VE EVEN HAD MY BIKE RETURN TO ME BY CHANDLER PD AFTER IT WAS STOLEN. COMMUNITY IS MY, IS THE FIRST WORD THAT COMES TO MY MIND WHEN I THINK OF CHANDLER, AND IT SADDENS ME TO THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL MAY DEEM OUTSOURCED HIGHLY INVASIVE SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY, A MORE EFFECTIVE WAY TO MAKE OUR CITY SAFER THAN INVEST BACK DIRECTLY INTO OUR COMMUNITY TO HAVE OUR MOVEMENTS CAPTURED, LABELED, LOGGED AWAY. EVERY TIME WE LEAVE OUR HOMES IMPLIES WE ARE ALL SUSPECTED CRIMINALS WHO HAVE YET TO COMMIT ANY CRIMES. MYSELF, ALONG WITH THE MAJORITY OF CHANDLER RESIDENTS DO NOT WANT TO LIVE THIS WAY. HOW ARE WE IN GOOD FAITH? SUPPOSED TO TRUST THAT WITH NO STRICT RETENTION COPS, MANDATORY TRANSPARENCY LOGS, INTERAGENCY FIREWALLS, OR A CITIZEN REVIEW PANEL, THAT THESE CAMERAS, WHICH THESE CAMERAS WHICH HAVE PROVEN TO BE COMPROMISABLE, WILL IN FACT KEEP THIS CITY ANY MORE SAFER THAN IT ALREADY IS. IMAGINE THE POSSIBLE WAYS THIS OVER $153,000 SUM OF MONEY COULD BE BETTER SPENT. AN EXAMPLE I THINK OF IS INSTEAD OF A ALREADY OVERWORKED HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER HAVING TO SPONSOR AN AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM, SOMETIMES EVEN OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS, HIRE INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO BE THERE TO OFFER MORE QUALITY AND ACCESSIBLE EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES FOR STUDENTS TO PURSUE. AND GIVEN THE OVERALL STATE OF DIVISION AND UNEASINESS OUR GREAT COUNTRY IS CURRENTLY FACING, I SET THIS AS A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CITY [02:10:01] COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAYOR AND CITIZENS, TO SHINE AND SET A NEW STANDARD IN THIS EVER EVOLVING WORLD OF TECHNOLOGY AND AI. THE CITY OF CHANDLER DOES NOT NEED AI FLOCK SURVEILLANCE TO BE A SAFE, PROSPEROUS CITY. MY OLD NEIGHBORHOOD WAS SAFE BECAUSE ALL MY NEIGHBORS KNEW EACH OTHER TO SOME DEGREE AND UNDERSTOOD THAT US TOGETHER WAS THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE TO KEEP OUR RESPECTIVE COMMUNITY SAFE AND IN AN ENJOYABLE PLACE TO LIVE. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, I HUMBLY STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY AND ASK THAT YOU SHOW US WE CAN HAVE FAITH IN YOU ALL BY SHOWING YOUR FAITH IN US, THE CITIZENS THANK YOU KADEN, TO PLAY OUR PART IN UTILIZING NEW PROGRAMS. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS TRAVIS GUNVILLE, FOLLOWED BY HARRISON REDMOND, TRAVIS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU COUNSEL. TRAVIS GUNVILLE, UH, CONCERN CHANDLER RESIDENT. UM, FIRST OFF, HOW COULD THIS DATA BE SUBPOENAED DOWN THE ROAD IF IT'S PURGED AFTER 30 DAYS? LIKE WAS STATED, I UNDERSTAND THE SENTIMENT BEHIND FLOCK CAMERAS MORE EYES MEANS MORE PUBLIC SAFETY. UH, WE ALL WANT SAFER NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT THIS ISN'T ABOUT JUST CATCHING THIEVES OR LOCATING STEVE STOLEN VEHICLES. THIS IS ABOUT MASS DATA COLLECTION. FLOCK IS A PRIVATE SURVEILLANCE COMPANY BACKED BY FOUNDERS FUND PETER THIEL'S, VENTURE CAPITAL FIRM. IF YOU DON'T KNOW PETER THIEL, I URGE YOU TO RESEARCH HIM AND CURTIS JARVIN. THEY'RE REALLY SCARY DUDES. UH, AT ITS CORE OF THIS SYSTEM COLLECTS LOCATION AND BEHAVIORAL DATA ON EVERYDAY PEOPLE WHERE YOU GO, WHERE YOU OR WHEN YOU GO THERE AND WHO YOU MAY ASSOCIATE WITH. AND WHEN THAT KIND OF DATA EXISTS, IT CAN BE MISUSED. LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN DENVER WHERE FLOCK IS HEADQUARTERED. POLICE USED FLOCK CAMERAS, UH, DATA TO IDENTIFY A SUSPECT IN A PACKAGE THEFT CASE. AN INNOCENT WOMAN, CHRISTIANA ELER, WAS CON, UH, CONFRONTED BY POLICE BECAUSE THE SYSTEM PLACED HER NEAR THE SCENE. SHE THEN HAD TO PROVE HER INNOCENCE HERSELF. THE POLICE SAID, YOU CAN'T BREATHE IN THE, IN THIS TOWN WITHOUT US KNOWING AFTER SHE WAS CLEARED, THERE WAS NO APOLOGY AND NO ACCOUNTABILITY. THAT CAN SHOULD CONCERN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US BECAUSE THIS TECHNOLOGY SHIFTS THE BURDEN AWAY FROM THE STATE PROVING GUILT AND TOWARDS CITIZENS PROVING INNOCENCE. AND WE ALSO HAVE TO ASK WHY ARE WE USING TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO HELP A PRIVATE COMPANY BUILD MASSIVE DATABASES ON OUR MOVEMENTS AND HABITS? PRIVATE COMPANIES EXIST TO PROFIT AND DATA IS ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE COMMODITIES IN THE WORLD. THIS IS BIGGER THAN PUBLIC SAFETY. THIS IS ABOUT PRIVACY, CIVIL LIBERTIES, AND WHETHER CHANDLER WANTS TO NORMALIZE CONSTANT SURVEILLANCE OPERATE OPERATED BY A PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, I ASK THAT YOU DON'T RENEW THIS CONTRACT WITH FLOCK AND THAT YOU REMOVE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE CAMERAS AND MASS SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS FROM CHANDLER. NEXT STEP IS HARRISON REDMOND, FOLLOWED BY SANTINA RA HARRISON, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS HARRISON REDMOND. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MYSELF TONIGHT AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ADVOCATE AND CONCERNED CITIZEN ASKING YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS ITEM AND REJECT FLOCK IN CHANDLER CHANDLER PIGGYBACKED ONTO A TEMPE FLOCK CONTRACT THAT TEMPE UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO BEGIN MOVING AWAY FROM FLAGSTAFF, SEDONA, AND SOUTH TUCSON AND AT LEAST 30 OTHER LOCALITIES NATIONWIDE HAVE ALREADY WALKED AWAY FROM FLOCK. THE MEMO ON THIS MOTION REFERENCES 3,500 ALERTS IN THREE MONTHS MADE BY EXISTING CAMERAS HERE. BUT WHAT IT DOESN'T TELL YOU IS HOW MANY OF THOSE ALERTS ACTUALLY LED TO ARRESTS OR CONVICTIONS THAT REQUIRED THIS TECHNOLOGY. FURTHERMORE, FLOCK'S NETWORK INHERENTLY CREATES A MASS SURVEILLANCE INFRASTRUCTURE WHILE IT CLAIM, WHILE FLOCK CLAIMS IT DOESN'T CONTRACT DIRECTLY WITH ICE. ITS NETWORK ARCHITECTURE MAKES THAT DISTINCTION LARGELY MEANINGLESS. AN INVESTIGATION BY 4 0 4 MEDIA FOUND THAT ICE ACCESS FLOCK SYSTEM MORE THAN 4,000 TIMES BETWEEN JUNE, 2024 AND MAY, 2025. FLOCK HAS ALSO SIGNED AGREEMENTS GRANTING FEDERAL AGENCIES ACCESS TO ITS NATIONWIDE DATABASE WITHOUT NOTIFYING THE CITIES WHOSE DATA IT HELD, INCLUDING SANCTUARY CITIES THAT CONTRACTED WITH A FLOCK, SPECIFICALLY ON THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEIR DATA WOULD NEVER REACH FEDERAL AUTHORITIES. REGARDLESS IS REGARDLESS OF ASSURANCES OR INTENT, CHANDLER CANNOT GUARANTEE ITS RESIDENTS DATA STAYS LOCAL AND BEND. OREGON FEDERAL AGENTS ACCESS THEIR DATABASE 279 TIMES IN JUST THREE WEEKS. AND IN EUGENE, OREGON AS WELL AS MOUNTAIN VIEW AND BERKELEY, CALIFORNIA FLOCK ILLEGALLY ENABLED A NATIONWIDE SEARCH SETTING WITHOUT THE CITY'S KNOWLEDGE OR CONSENT. ALL OF THOSE CITIES HAVE SINCE SEVERED THEIR FLOCK CONTRACTS. HERE IN ARIZONA, MULTIPLE CITIES HAVE USED FLOCK TO TRACK PROTESTORS VIOLATING BASIC CIVIL LIBERTIES AND REAL COMMUNITY SAFETY IS BUILT ON TRUST, TRANSPARENCY, AND FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. IT IS NOT BUILT ON CROSS JURISDICTIONAL DRAGNET THAT MAKES OUR IMMIGRANT NEIGHBORS BUSINESS PATRONS AND COMMUNITIES AFRAID TO BE OUTSIDE OF THEIR HOMES. WHEN PEOPLE HAVE THAT FEAR, THEY DON'T GO TO SCHOOL, THEY DON'T WORK, THEY DON'T PARTICIPATE IN PUBLIC LIFE. I URGE A NO VOTE ON THIS MOTION BECAUSE CHANDLER SHOULD NOT SPEND OVER $150,000 OF TAXPAYER FUNDS ON A CORPORATE VENDOR WITH AMBIGUOUS EFFICACY, A LACK OF INDEPENDENT AUDITS AND ONE OF CHANDLER'S OWN REGIONAL PARTNERS TREATS AS A LIABILITY. INSTEAD, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO USE THIS MOMENT TO CONDUCT FURTHER RESEARCH INCLUDING THE CITY ORDINANCE. THANK SO THAT TRAVIS, THIS CITY PRIORITIZES SAFETY WITHOUT MASS SURVEILLANCE ACCOUNTABILITY, COUPLED WITH THANK YOU TRAVIS TRANSPARENCY AND A CITY THAT HELPS, NOT HARMS ITS CONSTITUENTS, ALL POWER TO THE PEOPLE. THANK YOU. NEXT UP, SANTINA [02:15:01] HURON, FOLLOWED BY ALDO ALBERON. SANTINA STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. HELLO, MY NAME IS SANTINA . UM, HELLO MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, WHILE I'VE LIVED IN CHANDLER MY WHOLE LIFE, THIS WILL BE MY FIRST TIME, UM, SPEAKING, LET ALONE ATTENDING A CITY HALL MEETING. AND THAT'S BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'S CRUCIAL TO COME HERE TODAY AND SAY NO TO MASS SURVEILLANCE AND EXPENDING YOUR CONTRACT WITH FLOCK. UH, WHILE YOU SAY YOU'RE USING THESE CAMERAS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, THEY INFRINGE ON OUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY IN PUBLIC SPACES, AND WHEN PUT IN THE WRONG HANDS CAN BE USED TO STALK AND HARASS INNOCENT PEOPLE. YOU SAY THIS WON'T BE USED FOR RACIAL TARGETING OR BE PUT IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, YET HAVE PLACED CAMERAS ON EVERY CORNER OF PREDOMINANTLY BROWN NEIGHBORHOODS, EVEN HAVING ONE POINTED STRAIGHT OUT GALVESTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. SO A LOT OF LIES BEING TOLD, BUT MY CONCERN IS HOW EASY IT IS FOR SOMEONE TO HACK AND GAIN FULL CONTROL OF THE DEVICE. THE CAMERAS RUN ON AN OUTDATED ANDROID EIGHT SYSTEM THAT HASN'T RECEIVED A SECURITY UPDATE SINCE 2021. ALL IMAGES ARE STORED UNENCRYPTED ON THE DEVICES AND THE WEB INTERFACE USED BY POLICE DEPARTMENTS TO ACCESS THE ATIVE DATA DOESN'T EVEN REQUIRE TWO FACTOR AUTHENTICATION. THE VAGUENESS OF WHO OWNS THE DATA AND WHO DECIDES WHAT IT'LL BE USED FOR IS EXTREMELY UNNERVING. FOR EXAMPLE, CHANDLER OWNS IT, CHANDLER POLICE DEPARTMENT USES IT, BUT THEY WORK WITH MESA DEPARTMENTS. MESA WORKS WITH ICE. IT'S AS EASY AS THAT. IF THERE WERE TO BE ANY CIVIL LAWSUIT, UM, IT'D BE THE CITY PAYING FOR IT NOT FLOCK. HOW ARE WE GONNA INVEST $153,000 IN INVASIVE TECHNOLOGY WHILE CUTTING OVER A HUNDRED TEACHERS IN OUR DISTRICT? WE DESERVE BETTER FUNDED EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE, AND HOUSING BEFORE GIVING SOME TECHNOLOGY COMPANY OUR HARD EARNED MONEY. I HOPE YOU LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE OF YOUR CITY TODAY AND GIVE US FAITH THAT WE CAN TRUST YOU TO FIGHT FOR WHAT'S RIGHT FOR US. I PROMISE TO DO MY PART IN MAKING MY COMMUNITY A SAFER AND HAPPIER PLACE FOR US TO LIVE IN. AND I HOPE YOU DO TOO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. SHOUT OUT COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. THANK YOU. NEXT UP, UM, ALDO SORAN, FOLLOWED BY MIGUEL ANDRE, UH, RUBAL. ALDO STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF REP SIX. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ALDOON AND I'M A LIFELONG CHANDLER RESIDENT. I'M HERE TO DEMA TODAY TO DEMAND THAT COUNCIL VOTE TO END ITS CONTRACT WITH FLOCK ON MONDAY. COUNCILMAN HARRIS NOTED THAT PUBLIC TRUST IS EARNED EVERY DAY. HOW CAN WE TRUST A GOVERNMENT THAT COLLUDES WITH BILLIONAIRE BACKED PRIVATE CORPORATIONS TO BUILD A MASS SURVEILLANCE POLICE STATE FLOCK HAS SHOWN NOTHING BUT CONTEMPT FOR WORKING PEOPLE THAT FIGHT TO PROTECT THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. MS DOE'S LINKEDIN STATES THAT SHE'S ONLY BEEN AT FLOCK FOR TWO MONTHS. FLOCK DOES NOT EVEN RESPECT US ENOUGH TO SEND AN EXPERT FLOCK'S OWN CEO GARRETT LANGLEY HAS CALLED FLOCK OPPONENTS, TERRORISTS, AND THE PUBLIC RECORDS PROCESS A WEAPON AGAINST FLOCK. ON THE CONTRARY, IT IS FLOCK AND ITS GOVERNMENT COLLABORATORS THAT ARE TERRORIZING THE PEOPLE. FLOCK DOES NOT PREVENT CRIME. IT MAKES EVERY SINGLE PERSON A SUSPECT. FLOCK IS PART OF A LARGER PLAN WHERE EVERY MOVEMENT IS RECORDED, EVERY THOUGHT IS POLICED, AND EVERYONE IS CRIMINALIZED. A SYSTEM THAT RECORDS 20 BILLION TIMES PER MONTH WITHOUT A WARRANT IS A SYSTEM THAT WE CANNOT ACCEPT. MESA PD HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH ICE. PHOENIX PD IS THE DEADLIEST DEPARTMENT NATIONALLY PER CAPITA. WE HAVE NO PROTECTIONS AGAINST OUR DATA BEING ABUSED BY EVEN LOCAL ACTORS. AS A LATINO, I KNOW FIRSTHAND HOW LOCAL POLICE BRUTALIZES MY COMMUNITY. IN HUNDREDS OF CASES, POLICE HAVE BEEN RECORDED USING RACIAL SLURS AND THEIR FLOCK SEARCHES. CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS BY GROUPS SUCH AS THE A CLU AND CARE ARE BEING FILED AGAINST CITIES NATIONWIDE FOR RIGHTS ABUSES. WILL THIS BE YOUR LEGACY? FORFEITING OUR RIGHTS, OUR MOST PRECIOUS RIGHTS. WE DON'T WANT A NICER GESTAPO, WE WANT IT GONE ENTIRELY. FLOCK OUT. FULL STOP SIDE WITH THE PEOPLE OR SIDE WITH BILLIONAIRES, YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. ALL POWER TO THE PEOPLE. NEXT STEP. MIGUEL ANDRE RUBO, FOLLOWED BY CARLOS FERNANDEZ. MIGUEL STATE NAME, CITY, BUT I'LL DO MY BEST. UM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS ANDRE RUBIO. I GO BY ANDRE AND, UH, I'M A C CHANNEL RESIDENT. I'M ASKING YOU TO VOTE NO ON RENEWING CHANDLER'S FLOCK. UH, AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE, READ CONTRACT. I CARE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY. I WANT STOLEN VEHICLES RECOVERED AND I WANT SERIOUS CRIMES TO BE SOLVED. BUT RENEWING THIS CONTRACT IS NOT A PUBLIC SAFETY DECISION AS HAS BEEN DELIVERED, AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED EARLIER. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, EVOLVES PRIVACY, TRANSPARENCY, AND TAXPAYER RISK. THESE CAMERAS DO NOT ONLY SCAN PEOPLE SUSPECTED OF CRIMES, THEY SCAN ORDINARY RESIDENTS DRIVING TO WORK, SCHOOL, CHURCH, MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS, OR ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. THAT MEANS CHANDLER'S COLLECTING LOCATION DATA ON PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG. WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT THE DATA IS DELETED AFTER 30 DAYS AND THAT ONLY CHANDLER CAN ACCESS IT, BUT WE DESERVE CLEAR ANSWERS. WHO INSIDE THE CITY CAN SEARCH THE DATA? ARE THESE [02:20:01] SEARCHES AUDITED? CAN OUTSIDE AGENCIES ACCESS IT? INDIRECTLY, HOW MANY FALSE HITS HAVE OCCURRED AND HOW MANY SERIOUS CASES WERE ACTUALLY SOLVED BECAUSE OF THIS SYSTEM? NOT JUST HOW MANY ALERTS, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD COME IN THE FORM OF METRICS RATHER THAN ANECDOTES FROM THE POLICE CHIEF OR A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS. I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT LEGAL EXPOSURE. AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, OTHER CITIES HAVE FACED LAWSUITS AND BACKLASH OVER THESE, OVER A SYSTEM LIKE THIS AND OTHER CI CITIES HAVE JUST TURNED AWAY. IF THE SYSTEM IS MISUSED, MISHANDLED, OR CHALLENGED IN COURT, CHANDLER TAXPAYERS COULD END UP PAYING FOR THE LEGAL DEFENSE SETTLEMENTS AND DAMAGE TO PUBLIC TRUST. PUBLIC SAFETY SHOULD NOT REQUIRE EVERY RESIDENT TO BECOME PART OF A SEARCHABLE LOCATION DATABASE BEFORE RENEWING THIS CONTRACT. CHANDLER SHOULD HAVE STRICT LIMITS, PUBLIC REPORTING, INDEPENDENT AUDITS, AND ENFORCEABLE SAFEGUARDS AGAINST MISSION CREEP. AND UNTIL THOSE PROTECTIONS ARE IN PLACE, THE RESPONSIBLE VOTE IS NO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CARLOS MENENDEZ, FOLLOWED BY LUTHER JOHNSON. CARLOS, HELLO EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS CARLOS FERNANDEZ FROM MESA. WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW IS THE CITY LOOKING TO SPEND 150 K TO PREVENT CRIME BY USING MASTER SURVEILLANCE FROM FLOCK INSTEAD OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, FREE HEALTHCARE QUALITY EDUCATION AND GOOD JOBS AND SO ON. WHAT COULD BE CONSIDERED WITH FLOCK IF PASSED TRULY IS, IS HIGHWAY ROBBERY. THIS ISN'T EVEN SECURITY TO PROTECT FLOCK WHEN HAS, WHEN THEY HAVE USED TECHNOLOGY TO STOCK AND ABUSE ORDINARY PEOPLE. IT'S NOT EVEN SAFE WHEN IT HAS A 10% ERROR RATE. AND THIS INFO IS GIVEN STATEWIDE. SO THERE'S NO TELLING ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH OTHER CITIES HAVING OUR DATA. THEIR OWN SPEAKERS DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THEIR PRODUCT OR EVEN THEIR MOTTO THAT SCARES ME FOR THE PEOPLE THAT I CARE ABOUT WHO LIVE HERE. NO, THAT IN FACT TERRIFIES ME. SO YOU ALL WANT TO PREVENT CRIME TO PROTECT THE CITY OF CHANDLER, INVEST BACK INTO THE COMMUNITIES, NOT INTO COMPANIES WHO WATCH AND STEAL FROM US FROM THEIR OWN BENEFIT POWER TO THE PEOPLE ARTHUR JOHNSON FOLLOWED BY, UH, ROW WITH CDUS. I'M SORRY IF I'M RUINING LIES. YOUR NAME PROCEED LUTHER. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS LUTHER JOHNSON. I LIVE IN CHANDLER. UH, THANK YOU, ESPECIALLY COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR YOUR GOOD QUESTIONS AND FOR ADVOCATING FOR OUR CONCERNS. PLEASE DO NOT RENEW THE FLOCK CONTRACT. WHEN WE USE SERVICES LIKE FLOCK, THEY, WE GET SOME INFORMATION FROM THEM, BUT WE GIVE A LOT OF INFORMATION TO THEM. AND I'M CONCERNED THAT WE BECOME A DATA FEED INTO A LARGE UNWARRANTED SURVEILLANCE AND DA DATA GATHERING SYSTEM. UM, GIVEN SOME OF THE COMPANIES THAT INVEST IN FLOCK, UM, I THINK THAT'S A REAL CONCERN. SO THIS DATA, I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS DATA MAY BE USED BY OTHER AGENCIES FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES, EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE, UM, MUTUAL DATA SHARING AGREEMENTS WITH THEM. AND THAT IS MY CONCERN. SO I I THINK MORE STUDY SHOULD BE DONE. WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND BETTER HOW THE SYSTEMS WORK AND I DO NOT HAVE FAITH THAT THE DATA WILL BE KEPT SEPARATE AND KEPT AWAY FROM OTHER ACTORS WHO MAY WANT TO ACCESS IT. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN AND PLEASE DO NOT RENEW THE FLOCK CONTRACT. THANK YOU ROHITH. CHAND SHAKAR, FOLLOWED BY CASSIDY CLOSTEN. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. MY NAME IS ROHITH CHANDLER SHAKER. I'M A CHANDLER RESIDENT HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THE FLOCK CONTRACT RENEWAL. DENYING THE TRUTH IS THE HANDBOOK FOR FLOCK PR. THEY LIED ABOUT COLLABORATING WITH DHS UNTIL THE EVIDENCE BECAME TOO HARD TO IGNORE. FINALLY, ADMITTING THIS YEAR THAT THEY HAD A PILOT PROGRAM WITH DHS AGENCIES. THEY LIED ABOUT THEIR EMPLOYEES NOT HAVING ACCESS DESPITE THE VICE PRESIDENT OF STRATEGIC RELATIONS VIEWING CAMERA FOOTAGE THAT WAS MARKED FOR LOCAL POLICE ONLY. THEY LIED ABOUT THEIR SECURITY DESPITE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF STANDARDS AND TECHNOLOGY, A US GOVERNMENT AGENCY RANKING ONE OF THEIR A LPR VULNERABILITIES AND 9.8 CRITICAL RISK. THE LIES BECAME LOCAL RIGHT HERE WHEN FLOCK AND CHANDLER PD CLAIMED OUR DATA NEVER LEFT THE STATE. WHY THEN DOES OUR DATA APPEAR IN THE NETWORK AUDITS OF GEORGIA, CALIFORNIA, WASHINGTON, MISSOURI, AND MANY MORE STATES? THIS WAS UNTIL DECEMBER WHEN FLOCK SENT AN EMAIL TO ALL AGENCIES RECOMMENDING THAT AGENCIES AVOID SHARING TO PLACES WHERE NETWORK AUDITS ARE FULFILLED. THIS EMAIL ALSO INSTRUCTED USERS TO BE AS VAGUE AS PERMISSIBLE WHEN LISTING SEARCH REASON. IT WAS RIGHT AFTER THIS EMAIL THAT CHANDLER DISAPPEARED FROM THE NETWORK AUDITS. THIS [02:25:01] IS A DIRECT ATTACK ON TRANSPARENCY AND CHANDLER WORKED HAND IN HAND TO OBSCURE THEIR USE OF FLOCK. WHEN I REVIEWED CHANDLER FLOCK DATA FROM JANUARY AND FEBRUARY THROUGH FOIA OF THIS YEAR, MULTIPLE SEARCHES, LACK CASE NUMBERS, SOME LISTED TBD AS THE REASON AND THE CASE NUMBER. IF YOU ARE UNWILLING TO SHARE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, I CANNOT TRUST YOU. COUNSEL, I ASK YOU TO LISTEN TO YOUR COMMUNITY. DON'T LET POLITICAL INCONVENIENCE PREVENT YOU FROM STANDING WITH US. PLEASE VOTE NO THANK YOU. CASSANDRA CLASON, FOLLOWED BY AB CASSANDRA. OKAY, UM, NAME CASSANDRA CLAWSON, FOLLOWED BY EB CHOW. CASSIDY SPELLING. OKAY. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE FOR THE RECORD. HELLO, MY NAME IS CASSIDY CROSSON, UM, UM, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF CHANDLER CITY COUNCIL. I AM YOUR CONSTITUENT CASSIDY CROSSON AND I HAVE RESIDED AND WORKED IN CHANDLER FOR FIVE YEARS. NOW. I, LIKE MANY OTHERS, UH, HAVE GATHERED HERE TODAY TO OPPOSE THE CONTINUED USE OF FLOCK. I'M, I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THESE CAMERAS ARE A VIOLATION OF MY PEERS AND MY FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS TO PRIVACY. IN ADDITION TO THIS CONCERN, AUTOMATED SYSTEMS ARE NOT PERFECT. THERE IS AN UP TO 10% PER, UH, PERCENT CHANCE A LICENSE PLATE CAN BE MISREAD BY THE SOFTWARE. FURTHERMORE, IF A DATABASE HASN'T BEEN UPDATED TO SHOW A VEHICLE WAS RECOVERED OR SOLD, A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN, UH, A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN COULD FIND THEMSELVES SUBJECT TO A HIGH RISK TRAFFIC STOP BY POLICE ACTING ON INCORRECT AUTOMATED ALERTS. I RECENTLY HEARD THAT CUSD HAS LAID OFF APPROXIMATELY 100 TEACHERS. PERHAPS INSTEAD OF USING THAT $153,000 IN TAXPAYER MONEY, OUR MONEY TO INSTILL FEAR AND WEARINESS IN OUR LOCAL MARGINALIZED POPULATIONS, WE SHOULD BE USING IT TO HELP INCREASE OUR ABYSMAL LITERACY RATES, UH, BY HELPING TO PAY OUR TEACHERS A LIVING WAGE. SPEAKING OF SCHOOLS, I HAVE TO ASK, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SAYS THAT NONE OF THE CAMERAS ARE POINTED AT RESIDENTIAL AREAS, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ONE POINTED DIRECTLY AT GALVESTON ELEMENTARY, OR WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER EIGHT CAMERAS? IN THE ONLY AREA OF CHANDLER WHERE OVER 60% OF THE POPULATION IS HISPANIC, WHERE INSTEAD OF POINTING TO THE MAIN ROAD, THE CAMERAS POINT INTO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS? I END WITH THIS QUESTION. DOES THIS CHANDLER CITY COUNCIL REALLY WANNA PARTICIPATE IN A MASS SURVEILLANCE NETWORK THAT WILL CREATE LASTING DISTRUST IN ITS CONSTITUENTS? HEY, SHALL FOLLOWED BY JASON BELLI. AHI. HI THERE. HI. HI. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. FIRST TIME HERE, BUT I'VE LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE. PARENTS MOVED HERE IN 84 AND I NOTICED THE, THE CAMERAS LAST YEAR AND IT HAS BEEN REDUCED MY QUALITY OF LIFE. I HAVE BEEN TAKING DIFFERENT ROUTES BACK OFF THE 10 AS WELL AS EATING IT IN AND OUT LESS. UM, THERE'S ONE IN THAT IN AND OUT IN THOSE PARKING LOT. AND IF WE COULD BROADEN THE SCOPE TO PRIVATE ENTITIES TOO, PARTNERING WITH BLOCK, I WOULD HAVE A GOOD TIME. SO LIKE MANY RESIDENTS, I'VE BEEN HAVING A TOUGH TIME, BUT UNLIKE MANY RESIDENTS, I, I ACTUALLY BUILD AI CAMERA SYSTEMS AND I HAVE THEM ALL OVER MY HOUSE. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THEIR APPLICATIONS AND HELPING PEOPLE WHO HAVE CHALLENGES LIVING, UH, WITH ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIFE. AND I, I REALLY RESPECT MY DATA. IT REALLY GAVE ME AN APPRECIATION FOR WHAT IT MEANS TO STEWARD DATA WHEN YOU'RE COLLECTING DATA ABOUT YOURSELF, BUT ALSO THE PEOPLE THAT YOU INTERACT WITH AND FLOCK SYSTEMS ARE AT EVERY STEP, NOT LIVING UP TO THOSE EXPECTATIONS THAT I HAVE FOR MYSELF AND I WOULD HAVE FOR OTHER CI CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS OF CHANDLER. UH, I DON'T PUT MY DATA ON THE INTERNET BECAUSE I KNOW HOW HARD THAT IS TO SECURE. AND WHEN YOU SAY, IS THE DATA LOCAL, IT IS POSSIBLE FOR IT TO BE LOCAL. IT IS NOT. I USE MORE UPTODATE HARDWARE THAN FLOCK AS WAS MENTIONED BECAUSE THAT VERSION OF ANDROID HAS MANY SECURITY VULNERABILITY, HUNDREDS OF KNOWN SECURITY VULNERABILITIES. UH, I TAKE A LOT OF CARE TO MAKE SURE THAT MY FRIENDS AND LOVED ONES WHO ARE IN MY DATASET HAVE AUTONOMY AND CONTROL OVER THAT. THINGS LIKE IF YOU DON'T WANNA RECORD BE RECORDED, THEN WE TURN OFF THE CAMERAS. IF YOU WANT TO REDACT SOMETHING, I HAVE AN INTERFACE FOR YOU TO GO BACK AND NOT BE IN IT. I COULD NOT IMAGINE FLOCK GIVING US RESIDENTS THE RESPECT THAT I GIVE MY LOVED ONES IN MY DATASET. AND YEAH, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS A CAMERA INSIDE MY TOILET, I, YOU CANNOT KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THE LIGHT 'CAUSE OF YOUR SCREEN. YOU'RE SO RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES. I DON'T TRUST FOX. [02:30:04] JASON VAN, FOLLOWED BY AMELIA GWEN. JASON, GOOD EVENING. HI, I AM JASON. I LIVE AND WORK IN CHANDLER. I'D LIKE TO BRING UP TWO THINGS TODAY. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO MENTION THAT SINCE THE FLOCK CAMERAS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED AROUND THE CITY, I WILL DELIBERATELY AVOID THOSE AREAS WHEN POSSIBLE. SIMPLY OUT OF PRINCIPLE, I AVOID SHOPPING AT LOWE'S AND HOME DEPOT. I AVOID DRIVING NEAR THE MALL BECAUSE I HAVE NO INTEREST IN FEEDING THIS DATA COLLECTION MACHINE. AND MOREOVER, I DIDN'T OPT INTO THIS SYSTEM OF PERSONAL TRACKING, WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY SECOND POINT. NONE OF US OPTED INTO THIS. WE WEREN'T GIVEN A CHOICE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO BE INDIVIDUALLY SURVEILLED EVERY TIME WE LEAVE THE HOUSE OR GO TO WORK OR GO SHOPPING OR GO TO CHURCH WITH OUR WHEREABOUTS LOGGED IN A DATABASE TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE AND INSTITUTIONS. UNBEKNOWNST TO US FROM THE CITIZEN'S PERSPECTIVE, THESE THINGS JUST MATERIALIZED IN OUR COMMUNITY ONE DAY. I FEEL IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT IF MOST PEOPLE IN THIS CITY WERE AWARE OF WHAT THESE CAMERAS ARE AND WHAT DATA THEY'RE COLLECTING AND WHO IT'S POTENTIALLY BEING SHARED WITH, THEY'D BE UNCOMFORTABLE AT BEST, IF NOT OUTRIGHT APPALLED. THIS SYSTEM IS ONE STEP REMOVED FROM HAVING A GOVERNMENT INSTALLED GPS TRACKER ON YOUR VEHICLE. THE ONLY REAL DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE TRACKING IS LIMITED TO WHERE THE CAMERAS ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED. AND I EMPHASIZE CURRENTLY. THAT SAID, I THINK A GOOD WAY OF MEASURING WHETHER THE DECISION TO INSTALL THIS SYSTEM IS ACTING IN THE PUBLIC'S FAVOR IS BY ASKING IF THIS ISSUE WAS PUT TO THE VOTERS, WOULD IT PASS? I BELIEVE IN THIS CASE, THE ANSWER IS ABSOLUTELY NOT. NO ONE'S ASKING FOR THIS. THE CITY COUNCIL WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE AND THIS CONTRACT WITH ITS UNDERLYING TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST. THIS MONEY COULD AND SHOULD BE SPENT IMPROVING THE LIVES OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY. INSTEAD, THIS WILL ONLY DRIVE A WEDGE FURTHER BETWEEN THE PEOPLE IN POWER AND THE REST OF US. TRUST MATTERS. WE VOTE FOR PEOPLE WHO WE TRUST WILL MAKE DECISIONS THAT REPRESENT OUR VALUES. PLEASE DISCONTINUE THIS CONTRACT. BRADEN PETERS FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL. OH YEAH, BRADEN. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS AMELIA WYNN AND I RESIDE IN GILBERT, BUT I DRIVE THROUGH CHANDLER EVERY DAY. MY CHILDHOOD LIBRARY IS THE ONE THAT IS RIGHT HERE. THUS, I STILL THINK IT IS MY RIGHT TO TAKE A STAND ON THESE CAMERAS AND MY LOCALE DOES NOT CHANGE FACTS. FLOCK SAYS THAT THEIR CAMERAS WILL MAKE THE COMMUNITY MORE SAFE. HOWEVER, TECHNOLOGY IS NEVER INFALLIBLE FOR ONE. STUDIES ARE INCONCLUSIVE ON WHETHER OR NOT FLOCK CAMERAS HELP SOLVE CRIMES. ONE OF FLOCK'S OWN RESEARCHERS LATER ADMITTED THAT THEIR STUDIES WERE FLAWED. THEIR STUDIES ARE NOT INDEPENDENT AND THEY'RE NOT PEER REVIEWED, WHICH EVERY SINGLE STUDY SHOULD BE. THAT MEANS THAT WE CAN'T TRUST THEIR CLAIMS. SECOND, THIS TECHNOLOGY STILL HAS HUMAN WORKAROUNDS. FLOCK SAYS THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT CANNOT SEARCH UP DATA WITHOUT ENTERING A GOOD REASON. BUT RECORDS SHOW THAT THE CHANDLEY POLICE DEPARTMENT ITSELF WAS ABLE TO USE THE WORD OTHER AS A REASON, REASON IN SEARCHES. THEY DON'T NEED A VALID REASON AT ALL. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF FLOCK LYING ABOUT THEIR DATABASES. LASTLY, FLOCK AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CLAIM THAT THERE ARE NO CAMERAS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. HOWEVER, I HAVE DRIVEN PAST GALVES ELEMENTARY AND SEEN THE CAMERA POINTING AT THE SCHOOL AT THE INTERSECTION OF GALVESTON AND HAMILTON WITH MY OWN TWO EYES. HOW DOES FLOCK NOT KNOW WHERE THEIR CAMERAS ARE? BEST CASE SCENARIO, THEY'RE INCOMPETENT. WORST CASE SCENARIO, THEY'RE LYING. WHY ARE WE OKAY WITH PARTNERING WITH A COMPANY THAT DOES NOT EVEN KNOW THEIR OWN PRODUCT? ANY ONE OF THESE REASONS SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO SAY NO TO FLOCK AND NO AMOUNT OF TIME RESEARCH OR SAFEGUARDS WILL EVER ERASE FLOCKS, LIVE AND INCOMPETENCE. I WILL NEVER BE OKAY WALKING AROUND. CHANDLER, A CITY THAT I LOVE WITH FLOCK CAMERAS HERE. I WANT TO BE IN A CITY WHERE I CAN FEEL SAFE, BUT ONE WHERE I'M NOT WORRIED THAT I'LL BE TARGETED FOR SIMPLY ATTENDING A PROTEST, A CITY THAT MAKES ME FEEL SAFE, NOT BECAUSE OF THEIR BIG BROTHER S CAMERAS, BUT BECAUSE IT CHOOSES TO INVEST ITS RESOURCES INTO HEALTHCARE SCHOOLS AND THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE IT WHAT IT IS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SAME FOR US. FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL. OY. BRADEN. BRADEN, UH, MICHAEL. WAIT, YOU WERE THE SECOND. WAS BRADEN HERE OR NOT? THERE YOU GO. YOUR NAME AND CITY. YEAH. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, MY NAME IS BRADEN. I'M A CYBERSECURITY PROFESSIONAL PROFESSIONAL THAT RESIDES IN MESA AND I WORK IN CHANDLER. I'M HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST RENEWING THE CONTRACT WITH FLOCK. BOTTOM LINE FLOCK IS BAD FOR OUR COMMUNITY. FIRST OF ALL, IT'S MASS SURVEILLANCE. FLOCK ISN'T LIMITED TO LICENSE PLATES. IT CREATES BILLIONS OF DATA POINTS ON [02:35:01] PEOPLE, AN UNPRECEDENTED INVASION OF PRIVACY AND POTENTIAL VIOLATION OF OUR FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS. SECOND, THERE'S DATA CONTROL CONCERNS. THERE'S DOCUMENTED SIDE CHANNEL ACCESS AND PROXY SHARING METHODS. THAT MEANS COMPROMISED DATA STORAGE GUARANTEES ARE COMPROMISED. UH, WEAK AGREEMENT TERMS CAN BE BYPASSED EASILY WITHOUT STRONG ENFORCEMENT METHODS OR INDEPENDENT AUDITS TAKING PLACE. UH, FLOCK ALSO HAS A POOR CYBERSECURITY STANCE. THERE ARE DOCUMENTED COMPROMISES BY FLOCK EMPLOYEES IN BACK WITH BACKDOOR ACCESS, DATA RETENTION, NON-COMPLIANCE, SUCCESSFUL CYBER ATTACKS ON INDIVIDUAL, UH, UNITS. AND THERE'S BEEN DEMONSTRATED LACK OF ENCRYPTION, WHICH ALL PUT OUR COMMUNITIES DATA AT RISK. THERE ARE ALSO BAD OUTCOMES THAT COME FROM THIS PROGRAM. THERE ARE DOCUMENTED FALSE POSITIVE RATES THAT LEAD TO WRONGFUL ARRESTS, WASTED POLICE RESOURCES, AND SQUANDERED TAXPAYER DOLLARS. THERE'S ALSO THE CONCERN OF UNETHICAL USE CASES. THERE'S DOCUMENTED CRIMINAL ABUSES INCLUDING STALKING BY LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND THERE'S ALSO CONSTRUCTED FALSE CHARGES WHICH FURTHER VIOLATES COMMUNITY TRUST. MORE CONCERNING FLOCK'S, CONTINUED DENIALS OF TRA AND TRANSPARENCY. UH, LACK OF TRANSPARENCY CONFLICTS WITH CHANDLER'S VALUES. IN FACT, FLOCK'S POOR CONTRACT IN TERMS AND CONDITIONS LANGUAGE MAY EXPOSE, UH, CHANDLER TO LEGAL LIABILITY. AMID CONSTITUTIONAL AND OTHER LEGAL CHALLENGES. I WOULD PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE WHERE WE FURTHER INVEST IN PROVING COMMUNITY, UH, BUILDING CRIME PREVENTION WITH YOUTH IN SCHOOL PROGRAMS. TO ME, WHICH IS BETTER IN COMMUNITY IMPACT, HANGING A BOOSTER BANNER OR POINTING TO A SURVEILLANCE CAMERA AT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE NATION ARE COMING TO THE SAME CONCLUSION, REJECT FLOCK, STRONGLY URGE YOU DO NOT RENEW THIS CONTRACT WITH FLOCK. THANK YOU, BRENDA. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, MICHAEL, THAT IS RETURNED, FOLLOWED BY BILL. BILL WHALE DRIVE. WELLS DRIVE. BILL . GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. UM, HELLO, MY NAME IS MICHAEL EY AND I'M A CHANDLER RESIDENT AND TEACHER HERE. AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU TODAY TO VOTE NO ON THIS CONTRACT. FIRST ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE CAMERAS. AS YOU'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF TIMES, THERE IS A CAMERA POINTED DIRECTLY AT GALVESTON ELEMENTARY. I WENT BY AND SAW IT MYSELF A FEW DAYS AGO. THERE ARE ALSO HOUSES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AND JUST TO THE NORTH, THERE'S ANOTHER CAMERA WITH A, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEX RIGHT NEXT TO IT. MAYBE THESE AREN'T TECHNICALLY NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT THEY'RE CLEARLY RESIDENTIAL AREAS. AND THAT POINTS TO THE CONFUSION AROUND THE CAMERAS. EITHER THEY'RE LYING OR THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEIR CAMERAS ARE PLACED. I'D ALSO LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE CONTRACT ITSELF. I WENT AND LOOKED AT TEMPE CONTRACT, THE ONE THAT CHANDLER IS GOING TO BE ADOPTING. FLOCK HAS CONTINUALLY TOLD US THAT WE OWN THE DATA THAT CHANDLER CONTROLS IT. HOWEVER, THAT OWNERSHIP DOESN'T MATTER IF THE LANGUAGE OF THE CONTRACT IS SO BROAD THAT IT ALLOWS FLOCK TO USE IT FOR ITS OWN PURPOSES. ON PAGE 11 OF THAT CONTRACT, IT SAYS THAT FLOCK IS GRANTED A NON-EXCLUSIVE PERPETUAL ROYALTY FREE RIGHT AND LICENSE TO DISCLOSE AGENCY DATA FOR INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSES. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK VERY, VERY CLOSELY AT THIS CONTRACT. HAVE YOU READ IT? DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S IN THERE? AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE AGREEING TO? WE NEED TO INVEST IN PEOPLE, THE COMMUNITY, THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TOLD US, REALLY MAKE THE COMMUNITY SAFER. NOT SURVEILLANCE, NOT CAMERAS. WE NEED TO INVEST IN EDUCATION AND THE THINGS THAT REALLY RE REDUCE CRIME. THANK YOU, BILL. OKAY. PROBABLY FOLLOWED BY SIDNEY PARKER, STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY SIR. BILL WINBERG, UH, CHANDLER AND, UH, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS. MAYOR, THOSE THAT WOULD GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY TO PURCHASE A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY NOR SAFETY. OKAY. ACCORDING TO THE POLICE MEMORANDUM IN YOUR PACKET, THERE WERE OVER 3000 HITS ONE MONTH OR OVER THREE MONTH PERIOD. ONE OF THOSE CAME OUT IN A BIG FUGITIVE ARREST. WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE OTHER 3000 OR SO WHERE THEY HIGH PROFILE TRAFFIC STOPS WHERE THE POLICE HAD TO DRAW GUNS? WERE THEY PEOPLE COMING BACK FROM WALMART SHOPPING? UH, WE SHOULD FIND THAT OUT, OUT OF THOSE NUMBERS. NEXT, YOU ASSERT THAT THE PUBLIC CARRIES NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY ON THE ROAD. BUT IF I WERE TO GO FILE AN INFORMATION ACT, GET EVERY ONE OF YOUR LICENSE NUMBERS AND ASK THEM WHAT THAT NUMBER'S DONE IN THIS SYSTEM FOR THE LAST MONTH, I COULD TRACK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AND KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU'VE BEEN, WHAT YOU'VE DONE, WHERE YOU'VE DRIVEN. UM, IT DOESN'T JUST TAKE LICENSE PLATES, IT DOES BUMPER STICKERS AND OTHER IDENTIFYING MARKS ON YOUR CARDS. AND TO FINISH, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS, HOW DO YOU THINK THE ROMANS WOULD'VE USED THIS TECHNOLOGY BACK IN [02:40:01] JESUS' DAY? THANK YOU. WE'LL USE IT FOR YOUR SAFETY. SYDNEY PARKER, FOLLOWED BY DANA DURAN. OKAY, UH, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS DR. SIDNEY PARKER. I LIVE IN MESA, HOWEVER, I WORK IN CHANDLER AS A PEDIATRIC DENTIST. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MY PATIENTS AND THEIR FAMILIES TO ASK YOU TO OPPOSE A RENEWED CONTRACT WITH FLOCK SECURITY. THE REASON BEING IS THAT FLOCK HAS ALREADY PROVEN THAT THEY CANNOT PROTECT CHILDREN'S PRIVACY AND SAFETY. IN DUNWOODY, GEORGIA, A LOCAL RESIDENT FILED PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS AND DISCOVERED THAT FLOCK SAFETY EMPLOYEES HAD ACCESS CAMERAS THROUGHOUT DUNWOODY TO DEMONSTRATE THEIR SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY TO POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SOME OF THE ACCESS CAMERAS INCLUDED A CHILDREN'S GYMNASTICS FACILITY, A PLAYGROUND IN A SCHOOL. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MOMENT. EMPLOYEES OF A PRIVATE SURVEILLANCE COMPANY WERE WATCHING CHILDREN IN A GYMNASTICS CLASS TO SHOW OFF CAMERA CAPABILITIES TO POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS. THE CHILDREN WERE NOT SUSPECTS. THEIR PARENTS HAD NOT CONSENTED. FLOCK DID IT ANYWAY, WITHOUT APOLOGIES OR LEGAL CONSEQUENCES. THE CITY OF CHANDLER AL ALREADY HAS AT LEAST TWO FLOCK CAMERAS POINTED TO CHILDREN'S LEARNING FACILITIES. ONE IS GALVESTON ELEMENTARY ON GALVESTON AND HAMLIN STREET, HAMILTON STREET, AND THE OTHER IS ARIZONA CHILDREN'S ACADEMY. ON MCQUEEN AND RAY, AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THE FAMILIES OF CHANDLER. ACCEPTING ANOTHER CONTRACT WITH FLOCK WILL PROVE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE THEIR BEST INTEREST AT HEART, AND THAT YOU DO NOT DESERVE YOUR POSITION OF POWER. AS A CHILDREN'S HEALTH PROVIDER IN THE COMMUNITY, IT IS ALSO MY DUTY TO PROTECT THE FAMILIES OF CHANDLER. THAT IS WHY I'M URGING YOU TO OPPOSE A RENEWED CONTRACT WITH FLOCK SECURITY. THE COMMUNITY'S PRIVACY AND PEACE OF MIND, UH, DEPENDS ON IT. THANK YOU. AND FOLLOWED BY MARK YOUNG. DANA. DANA, YOU SAID DONYA. DNIA. COULD BE, YEAH. DANA DANYA. THAT'S ME. SO, HELLO EVERYONE. MY NAME IS DANYA AND I'M A MEMBER OF THE PARTY FOR SOCIALISM AND LIBERATION, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST FLOCK. DANYA, WHAT CITY ARE YOU FROM, PLEASE? WHERE DO YOU LIVE? I, I LIVE IN THE WEST VALLEY, BUT I'VE WORKED HERE IN CHANDLER. THANK YOU. I'M AN EDUCATOR ALL ACROSS THE NATION. WE ARE SEEING FLOCK CAMERAS BEING ABUSED TO CONSPIRE WITH ICE. IN LIGHT OF TRUMP'S DECLARATION OF WAR AGAINST IMMIGRANT AMERICA, EXTENDING THIS CONTRACT PUTS CHANDLER RESIDENTS AT RISK. WE CAN'T FORGET THAT. ONLY A FEW MONTHS AGO WE SAW ICE, BRUTALLY MURDER ALEX, FREDDY AND RENEE NICOLE. GOOD IN COLD BLOOD AND BROAD DAYLIGHT EVEN MORE LOCALLY IN ARIZONA, WE'VE SEEN ICE CONDUCT MILITARY STYLE RAIDS IN LOCAL BARS, KIDNAPPING ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHILDREN AND MEDICALLY NEGLECTING DETAINEES TO THE POINT OF DEATH. WHILE F WHILE FLOCK CAME ON MONDAY THAT THEY DON'T COLLABORATE WITH ICE. WE'VE SEEN NUMEROUS CASES WHERE THEY INDIRECTLY COLLABORATE WITH ICE. WHILE CHANDLER DOES NOT HAVE A 28 7 G AGREEMENT, OUR DATA IS SHARED WITH MANY CITIES THAT DO. MESA, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS THIS AGREEMENT THAT ALLOWS THEIR LOCAL PD TO COLLABORATE WITH ICE. IF OUR DATA WERE EVER TO BE SHARED WITH MESA, THIS WOULD PUT OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN HARM'S WAY. IN ADDITION, BLOCK CLAIMED ON MONDAY THAT IT WOULD PUT CAMERAS IN HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS, AND YET WE FOUND THESE CAMERAS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. WE'VE HEARD FROM SPEAKERS TALK TIME AND TIME AGAIN ABOUT GALVESTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND HOW IT'S POINTING AT APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND HOMES. WHY ARE WE SPYING ON OUR NEIGHBORS? WHY ARE WE SPYING ON OUR CHILDREN? IT IS DEEPLY DISTURBING THAT NOT, NOT ONCE AND OVER THE, UH, PAST THREE YEARS, THAT BLOCK HAS BEEN A CHANDLER. HAVE ANY PARENTS OR NEIGHBORS BEEN NOTIFIED ABOUT THESE CAMERAS? THIS IS A CLEAR INFRINGEMENT ON OUR PRIVACY AND ON OUR RIGHTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THESE INNOCENT MINORS. AGAIN, FLOCK IS CLAIMING TO GET RID OF CRIME, YET WE KNOW THAT THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITIES SAFER IS BY STRIKING THE PROBLEM AT THE ROOT. AS CHICAGO HAS SHOWED US, CRIME DROPS DRASTICALLY WHEN COMMUNITIES INVEST IN THEIR PEOPLE, WHEN THEY INVEST IN EXPANSIVE HEALTHCARE, IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND GUARANTEED JOBS. THANK YOU, DAN. THANK YOU. MARK JANG, FOLLOWED BY AARON RASINSKI. MARK, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY. GOOD EVENING CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS MARK JUNG AND I'VE LIVED IN CHANDLER MY WHOLE LIFE. I'M CURRENTLY A HIGH SCHOOLER. AT CUSD, WE HAVE NINE SECURITY GUARDS, A MASSIVE NUMBER CONSIDERING WE ONLY HAVE TWO SOCIAL WORKERS AND BATHROOMS OFTEN IN NEED OF FIXING. LOOK, IF YOU SURVEYED EVERY CHANDLER RESIDENT, YOU'D FIND THAT A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE GREATLY OPPOSED TO FUNDING AN AI SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM. MOST CHANDLER RESIDENTS LIKELY WOULDN'T MENTION FURTHER ENFORCEMENT AND EVEN THEIR TOP FIVE NEEDS. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU SURVEYED HIGH SCHOOLERS, THEY TELL YOU THAT THE CITY SHOULD, SHOULD FOCUS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE ON EDUCATION, SUBSTANCE USE, MENTAL HEALTH, WATER, SUSTAINABILITY, OR AT LEAST SOME RENOVATIONS FOR OUR HIGH SCHOOL [02:45:01] BATHROOMS. RESEARCH HAS SHOWN TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT FURTHER POLICING OR MAKING POLICING MORE EFFICIENT IS NOT THE MOST HELPFUL WAY TO PREVENT CRIME. INSTEAD, WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON THE AFOREMENTIONED TOPICS AS WELL AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HEALTHCARE, AND JOB CREATION. THE CITY SHOULD NOT BE SUBMITTING TO THE WHIMS OF AN BLOATED ENFORCEMENT APPARATUS BY FUNDING FURTHER SURVEILLANCE, WHICH AS MANY CITIZENS HAVE DISCUSSED, WOULD BE USED FOR GREEDY, INTRUSIVE, AND ULTIMATELY OPPRESSIVE PURPOSES. I COULDN'T IMAGINE A MORE DISGUSTING YET PLAUSIBLE SCENARIO. A FLOCK SURVEILLING MY PEERS AROUND SCHOOL, MANY OF WHOM ARE IMMIGRANTS OR ARE SONS OF IMMIGRANTS, OR ARE DAUGHTERS OF IMMIGRANTS, AND GIVING THAT DATA TO ICE IN THE SAME COUNTY THAT HELPED ESTABLISH MIRANDA RIGHTS. YOU HAVE A CHOICE. WILL YOU HELP IMPROVE THE CITY'S AFFORDABILITY, THUS REDUCING CRIME BY ATTACKING ITS ROOTS? OR YOU'LL CONTINUE OUR STATE'S COMPLACENCY WITH THE OPPRESSIVE SURVEILLANCE STATE. FOR THE SAKE OF THE PEOPLE OF CHANDLER, CHOOSE THE FORMER VOTE NO ON FURTHER FUNDING TO FLOCK. THANK YOU KY RAKI, FOLLOWED BY MARK CAMINA. AARON, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL AND MAYOR. MY NAME IS ERIN RASINSKI. I AM AN AIR UH, CHANDLER RESIDENT RAISING MY TWO YOUNG DAUGHTERS HERE AS WELL. UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY MY FIRST CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND FIRST TIME SPEAKING. AND I AM HERE, UM, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN CIVIC ENGAGEMENT. AND I WANNA THANK, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS HARRIS FOR YOUR VULNERABILITY TONIGHT. UM, I HEARD A LOT OF THINGS DISCUSSED TONIGHT. IT WAS A REALLY ROBUST CONVERSATION AND I WANNA SHARE A FEW THINGS THAT STOOD OUT. UM, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WHEN THIS CONTRACT WAS SIGNED TWO YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE KNOW NOW. THIS CONTRACT WAS SIGNED, YOU SAID, WITHOUT FULL UNDERSTANDING OF HOW IT IS MANAGED, OF HOW THE SYSTEMS WORK. AND THAT WAS REALLY CLEAR IN TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, IN BOTH THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED AND THE ANSWERS THAT WERE NOT GIVEN AND THE QUESTIONS THAT REMAIN UNANSWERED. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR VULNERABILITY AND LEADERSHIP AND ACKNOWLEDGING WHEN MAYBE WE MISTEPPED AND IT'S TIME TO TAKE A STEP BACK. OTHERS HAVE SPOKEN BRILLIANTLY TONIGHT AND DESCRIBED THE CHALLENGES AND CONCERNS WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY. WHEN YOU ASK COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, WHO'S ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, IT IS ALL OF YOU. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OVERSIGHT OF THIS, THIS CONTRACT AND OUR DATA SHARING. AND IT'S CLEAR THAT WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE FOR HOW YOU WILL HANDLE ANY DATA REQUESTS THAT COMES IN FOR ANY OF THE DATA IN THIS SYSTEM. SO AS YOU MOVE FORWARD, IT SOUNDS LIKE TONIGHT THERE WON'T BE A VOTE, THERE WILL BE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION HELD AROUND THIS. IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY AND MY CHALLENGE TO ALL OF YOU IS IN THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION, DO YOUR RESEARCH, BE WILLING TO MAKE A DIFFERENT DECISION AS YOU LEARN NEW INFORMATION. ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE CLIMATE WE'RE EXISTING IN TODAY IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE CLIMATE WE WERE EXISTING IN WHEN THESE CONTRACTS WERE APPROVED TWO YEARS AGO. THE POLITICAL CLIMATE HAS CHANGED. OUR SOCIETY IS CHANGING. AI IS NOT GOING AWAY. SO AS PART OF YOUR DISCUSSION, I ALSO CHALLENGE YOU TO PLEASE GET REALLY CLEAR ON HOW YOU ARE GOING TO HANDLE THIS OR ANY FUTURE AI REQUESTS AND HOW YOU WILL HANDLE DATA SHARING WITH ANY STATE OR FEDERAL AGENCY AS IT IS REQUESTED, BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ALL OF US IN OVERSEEING THESE CONTRACTS. THANK YOU. MARK ANA, FOLLOWED BY ELIZABETH. ELIZABETH . NEIMAN MARK STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. GOOD EVENING CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS MARK CAMARENA. I LIVE IN THE CITY OF PHOENIX, UH, AND I'M HERE TODAY. SAY NO TO FLOCK IN CHANDLER. NO TO FLOCK IN ARIZONA. UH, FLOCK CAMERAS ARE KNOWN TO STALK, HARASS, AND PROFILE OUR COMMUNITIES. I AM A SON OF IMMIGRANTS AND I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO SEE THE DEADLIEST PD AT PHOENIX PD PATROL MY NEIGHBORHOODS ON A DAILY BASIS. I DON'T NEED BOTS TO WATCH OVER MY BACK. ON TOP OF THAT, COPS HAVE ABUSED THESE KINDS OF CAMERAS TO HUNT DOWN WOMEN IN TEXAS SEEKING ABORTIONS LIFE SAVING MEDICAL CARE. WE KNOW THAT THEY USE THE CAMERA DATA TO COLLABORATE ILLEGALLY WITH ICE, WITH THE DHS, WITH, UH, FEDERAL AGENCIES AND TO TRACK PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT IN THE STREETS FIGHTING FOR THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. LIKE DURING THE NO KINGS EVENTS IN THIS PAST YEAR, THEY TOLD US THAT ALL THE SURVEILLANCE AND THE SPYING AND THE STALKING IS NECESSARY BECAUSE, UH, BACK THEN IN, DURING THE PATRIOT ACT, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A WAR ON TERROR. BUT WHAT'S THE EXCUSE NOW? WHY IS FLOCK RAMMING THEIR CAMERAS DOWN OUR THROATS IN CHANDLER AND AROUND THE COUNTRY? THIS IS NOT PROTECTION, BUT THIS IS PERSECUTION. WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE COME UP HERE AND TELL YOU THAT WE DON'T WANNA BE SWATCHED AND WE DON'T WANNA BE SPIED ON, YOU GUYS, JUST TELL US TO DEAL WITH IT. SO JUST TAKE IT. BUT WHEN FLOCK COMES UP IN HERE AND DEMANDS OUR TAX DOLLARS, SUDDENLY EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE FOR THEM. ALL THE DOORS ARE OPEN, WIDE OPEN. WHAT STARTS WITH A DOZEN OF CAMERAS WILL GROW INTO THOUSANDS FLOCK JUST LIKE ANY OTHER COMPANY WILL STOP AT NOTHING AND MAKE MORE PROFITS TO POWER GENERATIVE [02:50:01] AI TO TAKE AWAY JOBS. AND THIS BUBBLE WILL EVENTUALLY BURST. THIS AI SURVEILLANCE BUBBLE WILL BURST AND THERE'S NO CONFIDENCE THAT YOU GUYS CAN GIVE, CAN SAY THAT WE WILL MAKE IT ON THE OTHER SIDE WILL. AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS OUR COMMUNITIES WILL BE BEHIND BARS, WILL BE TRACKED EVERY SINGLE MOVE EVERYWHERE. AND WE'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS. TRULY THE WHO HERE IN THE CITY OF CHANDLER DOES NOT WANT THIS. RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE ARE ALL YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE RAISING THEIR HAND RIGHT NOW THAT DON'T WANT THIS. SO PLEASE SIDE WITH THE PEOPLE. THANK YOU. ELIZABETH DEMON, FOLLOWED BY ORION HOLLAND. ELIZABETH, MY NAME'S ELIZABETH. I'M A RESIDENT OF CHANDLER. I'M ASKING YOU TO END THE CONTRACTS WITH FLOCK. REMOVE ALL CAMERAS. NO PRIVATE COMPANY WILL EVER PUT PRIVACY, FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT OR PUBLIC TRUST OVER THEIR BOTTOM LINE, WHICH IS PROFIT TO BE CLEAR, UNLESS FORCED. AND SO FAR THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED. FLOCK HAS RESISTED PUBLIC MEASURES OR PUBLIC MEASURES ORGANIZING AGAINST THEIR HARMFUL TECHNOLOGY, INCLUDING PRESENTING MISINFORMATION TO CITY COUNCIL'S, SMEARING JOURNALISTS, AND EVEN THE FLOCK. CEO CALLING THE COLLABORATIVE PUBLIC PROJECT DE FLOCK A TERRORISTIC ORGANIZATION. AFTER WATCHING MONDAY'S SESSION AND READING THE REFERENCE TEMPE CONTRACT, I HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS. TESTIMONY STATED, OUR DATA WAS PURGED AFTER 30 DAYS, BUT THE CONTRACT STATES THE PURGE IS REQUIRED FROM THE DEVICE. FLOCK IS A CLOUD-BASED SYSTEM. DELETING DATA FROM ONE OR MORE DEVICES DOES NOT DELETE THE DATA, TRULY. SO I'M ASKING FOR FLOCK TO EXPLICITLY ON THE RECORD STATE THAT ONCE THE DATA IS PURGED, IT IS GONE FOR GOOD, NOWHERE ELSE. IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, WHERE IS THIS DATA STORED FOR HOW LONG? AND WHO HAS ACCESS TO IT? THE CHIEF NOTED OVER 7,000 FLOCK ALERTS THAT WERE VERIFIED BY HUMANS. BUT HOW MANY PICTURES WERE TAKEN? IS ALL OF THAT OUR DATA? WHO'S DETERMINING WHAT ENTITIES CAN ACCESS THIS DATA AND WHAT GUARANTEES WILL BE PLACED TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORS? SINCE NO FAIL SAFES ARE IN THIS CONTRACT, IT DOES NOT EXPLICITLY STATE WHO WE CAN SHARE WITH. HEARING FROM YOU, IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET OR WE CAN'T PROVE IT'S HAPPENED IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. FLOCK PLANTER TIES MAKE SOME COMPLICIT IN THE GENOCIDES OF PALESTINE, CONGO, AND SUDAN, AND ENABLING THE ONGOING TARGETING OF OUR FAMILY, FRIENDS, AND NEIGHBORS INSIDE OF THIS COUNTRY AND ALL FLOCK CONTRACTS. THEY DO NOT DESERVE OUR TRUST OR OUR DATA. AND ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD THAT AROSE TODAY, IF THERE ARE SO MANY CAMERAS THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THEY ARE, WHERE THEY'RE POINTING OR WHO OWNS OR ACCESS TO THEM, WE HAVE THE CHIEF UP HERE AND DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT A CAMERA POINTING AT A AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. WE HAVE SO MANY CAMERAS WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THEY'RE POINTING. THAT IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE ISSUE, BUT CLEARLY FLOCK IS NOT GOING TO BE HELPING US WITH THAT. THANK YOU RYAN. NATHAN TAYLOR TAF, FOLLOWED BY JANE DLE. NATHAN STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY PLEASE. I'M NOT NATHAN IT ORION. OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH. ORION. I'M, YEAH. THANK YOU. UH, GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. UH, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR TIME TODAY. MY NAME IS ORION AND I LIVE IN MARYVALE. I'M A VETERAN OF THE UNITED STATES RV WHERE I SERVED AS AN INFANTRY OFFICER, AND WHEN I COMMISSIONED, I TOOK AN OATH TO SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION. SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT. I BELIEVE THAT FLOCK HAS NO PLACE IN CHANDLER OR ANYWHERE. FLOCK IS A PRIVATELY OWNED COMPANY WITH NO INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT OR REGULATORY BODY, AND IT'S THE SUBJECT OF MULTIPLE ONGOING LEGAL CASES REGARDING BREACHES OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND MISHANDLING OF DATA. THEIR BUSINESS MODEL CLAIMS TO REDUCE CRIME. HOWEVER, INDEPENDENT ASSESSMENTS HAVE LINKED LESS THAN 1% OF DATA COLLECTED BY FLOCK CAMERAS TO ANY ACTUAL POLICE ACTION. THE MONEY THAT THIS COMPANY IS TRYING TO TAKE FROM CHANDLER WOULD BE BETTER SERVED GOING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY ITSELF. QUESTIONS CAME UP THIS EVENING ABOUT WHETHER FLOCK HAS FEDERAL CONTRACTS. IN ADDITION TO A CONTRACT AND PROCESS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIR, FLOCK IS POSITIONING TO SUBMIT A RESPONSE TO AN RFP BY THE FBI FOR NATIONWIDE ACCESS TO THEIR A LPR NETWORK. THE COMPANY IS BOASTING OF HAVING DEALS WITH OVER 12,000 PUBLIC SAFETY CUSTOMERS, INCLUDING CITIES, TOWNS, COUNTIES, AND BUSINESS PARTNERS. THEY'RE TRYING TO ADD YOU TO THAT LIST. IN ADDITION TO THIS FLOCK'S DEFAULT AGREEMENT WITH POLICE DEPARTMENTS, AS OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED TONIGHT, GIVES THE COMPANY THE RIGHT TO SHARE DATA WITH FEDERAL AND LOCAL AGENCIES FOR INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSES, EVEN IF A LOCAL DEPARTMENT CHOOSES TO RESTRICT DATA TO ITS OWN OFFICERS. LASTLY, I WANT TO CALL OUT FLOCK, CEO GARRETT LANGLEY, WHO IS PUBLICLY CHARACTERIZED FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUESTS USED BY AMERICAN CITIZENS AS WEAPONS AGAINST HIS COMPANY. I DO NOT TRUST ANY PRIVATE COMPANY THAT SEES MY RIGHTS AS A THREAT AND MY TAX DOLLARS AS AN OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. NATHAN TAYLOR TAFT, FOLLOWED BY JANE ELL. NATHAN STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY PLEASE. UH, HI. MY NAME IS NATHAN TAYLOR [02:55:01] TAFT AND I'M A CHANDLER RESIDENT. FIRST I WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM CHANDLER PD SEEMED TO CLAIM THAT THE FLOCK CAMERA AT THE INTERSECTION OF HAMILTON STREET AND GALVESTON STREET POINTED AT GALVESTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DOES NOT EXIST. I REALLY WANNA REITERATE THIS AND MAKE IT VERY CLEAR. IT DOES IN FACT EXIST. I VISITED IT ABOUT TWO DAYS AGO. I HAVE A PICTURE ON MY PHONE. YOU CAN SEE IT ON GOOGLE MAP STREET VIEW . UM, FURTHER IT WAS MENTIONED THAT FLOCK CAMERAS ARE NOT PLACED IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA. IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED THAT FLOCK CAMERAS ARE PUT AT HIGH TRAFFIC, MAJOR ROADS AND INTERSECTIONS. THE NEARBY CAMERAS ON MADE ROADS ARE NOT POINTED AT THOSE ROADS, BUT RATHER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. FOR EXAMPLE, AT HAMILTON AND RAY, IT'S POINTED SOUTH. AND AT HAMILTON AND CHANDLER BOULEVARD, IT'S POINTED NORTH. THAT IS NOT CONSISTENCY, THAT IS TARGETING THOSE BOTH POINT INTO THE SAME SQUARE MILE. THERE ARE NINE TOTAL CAMERAS WITHIN APPROXIMATELY ONE SQUARE MILE BETWEEN ARIZONA AVENUE AND QUIN CREEK ROAD AND RAY ROAD AND CHANDLER BOULEVARD. THIS SQUARE MILE IS ALSO THE ONLY AREA OF CHANDLER WHERE OVER 60% OF THE POPULATION IS HISPANIC. THEY ALSO CLAIM THAT DEMOGRAPHICS DO NOT PLAY A ROLE IN PLACEMENT. THIS CLEARLY DOES NOT SEEM TO BE TRUE. THIS MEANS BOTH THE PLACEMENT OF OF FLOCK CAMERAS IS AN ISSUE AND THAT THOSE PUSHING THIS CONTRACT AREN'T BEING FULLY HONEST, WHICH IS EXTREMELY CONCERNING WHEN CONSIDERING, UH, AND INVOLVING A POWERFUL SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM SUCH AS THIS ONE. I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT MESA PD AND PINAL COUNTY BOTH COLLABORATE WITH ICE. THAT MEANS IF CHANDLER SHARES DATA WITH EITHER OF THOSE, THERE'S CLEARLY AN ISSUE. ICE IS ALSO NOT KNOWN FOR FOLLOWING THE RULES. UH, AND THERE ARE MANY INSTANCES IN COLORADO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE FEDERAL AGENCIES SUCH AS HSI ACCESS FLOCK DATA ILLEGALLY. ALSO, I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT MANY OF US ARE IN FACT, CHANDLER RESIDENTS. AND EVEN IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH CHANDLER, THE FLOCK CAMERAS DO AFFECT YOU. UM, THIS FLOCK REPRESENTS MASS SURVEILLANCE OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS. WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT FLOCK DOES NOT HAVE GOOD SECURITY. UH, THERE ISN'T END, END-TO-END ENCRYPTION DUE TO ALL THESE REASON, REASONS, RACIAL TARGETING, SECURITY CONCERNS, AND MASS SURVEILLANCE. WITHOUT CONSENT, THANK YOU REQUEST THAT YOU DO NOT RENEW THE CITY'S CONTRACT WITH FLOCK. THANK YOU. JANE DANGLE, FOLLOWED BY NOAH. JANE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RE OF RESIDENCE. UM, GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JANE. I LIVE IN PHOENIX AND I GREW UP HERE IN THE EAST VALLEY. IN APRIL, 2025, JACQUELINE MCNEIL WAS ON HER WAY HOME WHEN SHE SAW LIGHTS FLASHING BEHIND HER. SHE WAS SUDDENLY SURROUNDED BY POLICE CRUISERS. BEFORE SHE KNEW IT, SHE WAS IN HANDCUFFS AND BEING ACCUSED OF A DRIVE-BY SHOOTING. AS IT TURNS OUT, A LPR FLOCK CAMERAS HAD FALSELY IDENTIFIED HER CAR AS ONE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SHOOTING. NOT ONLY WAS THIS INCIDENT TRAUMATIZING FOR HER, BUT IT WAS A GROSS VIOLATION OF HER CIVIL LIBERTIES. INCIDENTS LIKE THESE WHERE POLICE USE FLOCK DATA TO HARASS PEOPLE ARE NOT ONE OFF INSTANCES LIKE CHANDLER POLICE CHIEF BRIAN CHAPMAN WOULD LIKE TO CLAIM ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE FLOCK CAMERAS ARE UP, POLICE AND OTHER AGENCIES ARE USING THAT DATA TO VIOLATE BASIC RIGHTS AND RACIALLY PROFILE PEOPLE ON A MASS SCALE. THESE SYSTEMS CONTINUOUSLY RECORD OUR MOVEMENTS WITHOUT A WARRANT, WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE OR EVEN REASONABLE SUSPICION. THE DATA THEY GENERATE IS BEING USED BY POLICE AS A FALSE GROUNDS TO THREATEN AND HARASS COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND RIGHT HERE IN CHANDLER RIGHT NOW, CHANDLER SHARES THIS DATA STATEWIDE AND WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT CITIES DO WITH OUR DATA ONCE THEY HAVE IT. IN FACT, CHANDLER DATA HAS BEEN FOUND IN AGENCIES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND THIS IS A DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO WHAT FLOCK STATED IN COUNCIL TODAY. CONTINUING CHANDLER'S CONTRACT WITH FLOCK POSES A HUGE THREAT TO THE SAFETY OF ALL CHANDLER RESIDENTS AND EVEN MORE SO TO IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES WHO ARE ALREADY FACING THE THREAT OF ICE. TODAY, MORE AND MORE CITIES NATIONWIDE ARE VOTING TO END THEIR CONTRACT WITH FLOCK. THIS COULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT THE POWER OF WORKING PEOPLE STANDING UP FOR A BETTER FUTURE. SO I URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO FULFILL THEIR JOBS TODAY AND LISTEN TO THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE OF CHANDLER. WE WANT FLOCK OFF OUR STREETS. NOAH, FOLLOWED BY ISABEL NORTO. NOAH STATE YOUR NAME AND RESIDENCE AGAIN. UM, ALOHA MAYOR INTO THE REST OF THE CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS NOAH JAMES MARKHAM AND I'M FROM THE GREAT CITY OF TEMPE. AND, UM, WELL, I'M A DEMOCRAT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I I AM FOR THIS, I AM FOR THE FLOCK CAMERAS. UM, AND WHY I AM FOR THEM IS BECAUSE MY CITY, TEMPE HAS THEM TOO. AND, UM, THEY, THEY DO A GREAT JOB THERE. UM, JUST DON'T DO CRAZY THINGS WITH IT, PLEASE. OR I WILL COME BACK AND COMPLAIN ABOUT, UH, . UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I LIVED IN GILBERT [03:00:01] FOR MOST OF MY LIFE, AND I KNOW THAT THEY USE THE FLOCK CAMERAS TOO, AND THEY HAVE ONE OF THE BEST POLICE DEPARTMENTS EVER, UM, IN THE COUNTRY, I WOULD SAY. UM, AND, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE THING ABOUT THE FLOCK CAMERAS. I HAD TO ASK GOOGLE AND SAY, UM, IF THERE'S FLOCK CAMERAS AROUND THE COUNTRY, AND IT SAYS, YES, SHERIFF. AND, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WIDELY USED FLOCK SAFETY CAMERAS AS AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS TO INVESTIGATE CRIMES LOCAL STOLEN VEHICLES AND FIND MISSING PERSONS. SO I THINK THAT'S PRETTY COOL. UM, AND AI IS, IT KEEPS ON COMING AND, YOU KNOW, IT WON'T BE GUT, BUT WE KNOW THAT, UH, , THIS IS GOOD TO PROTECT PEOPLE IN CHANDLER. AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE IN CHANDLER, UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF WEALTHY PEOPLE THAT WANNA BE PROTECTED HERE. SO, YES. UM, I AM FOR THIS. THANK YOU, YOU SO MUCH. WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT? THANK YOU. RESPECT FOR SPEAKERS, PLEASE. JUST LIKE YOU WERE SHOWN. RESPECT. NEXT, UM, ISABEL RADO. RO THANK YOU. HI. HI MAYOR. UM, AND CITY COUNCIL. SO, UH, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DR. ISABEL NIDO. I, I AM AN ER PHYSICIAN, UM, AND A RESIDENT OF TEMPE. UM, I'VE WORKED MANY YEARS, UH, IN CHANDLER AND GILBERT. I ALSO WORK IN PHOENIX, GILA RIVER. UM, I'VE ALSO WORKED IN YUMA COUNTY. UM, SO IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO BE HERE TO REPRESENT MY, THE COMMUNITIES THAT I SERVE, UH, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER I LIVE IN THE CITY. UM, SO I WORK IN, AS I MENTIONED TO YOU, MANY DIFFERENT HOSPITALS. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK, AND TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU TO CONVINCE YOU TO NOT VOTE OR GO AGAINST THIS CONTRACT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD RENEW THIS CONTRACT, IS THAT IN WORKING IN THESE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, I WORK WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, WE THINK ABOUT ALL OUR DIFFERENCES AND REALLY, LIKE WHAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON IS OUR SIMILARITIES. SO WHAT I SEE IN MY PATIENTS IN ALL THESE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES IS, YOU KNOW, WE ALL WORK AND WE ALL WORK HARD TO GET BASIC NECESSITIES, WHICH IS WATER, FOOD, SAFETY, SHELTER. AND REGARDLESS OF WHERE WE COME, WHERE WE LIVE, OUR SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS, THAT IS WHAT WE EACH STRIVE FOR. AND SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT THESE CAMERAS, WE'RE REALLY INFRINGING ON OUR SAFETY. AND, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES AWAY ONE OF THESE BASIC NECESSITIES THAT WE ALL WORK FOR ON A DAILY BASIS TO, TO PROTECT OUR FAMILIES. SO I FEEL LIKE ULTIMATELY THESE FAULT CAMERAS ARE BEING USED AS WEAPONS, REALLY TO TARGET COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, INCLUDING UNDOCUMENTED COMMUNITIES, PEOPLE WITH VISAS AND US CITIZENS THAT LOOK LIKE ME BECAUSE I'M BROWN. UM, SO AS A LATINA, A DAUGHTER OF IMMIGRANTS, UM, WHOSE PARENTS CAME HERE FOR MANY REASONS, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IMMIGRANTS ARE THE HARDEST WORKING PEOPLE. AND I THINK THAT INSTEAD OF SHOWING, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF TARGETING THEM, WE SHOULD BE, WE SHOULD SHOW GRATITUDE TO, TO PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, DO A LOT OF DIFFICULT JOBS. SO I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO VOTE AGAINST THIS CONTRACT. I'M HERE FOR US TO TRY TO HOPEFULLY REMEMBER THAT WE'RE ALL HUMAN. WE'RE, WE ALL HAVE THESE SIMILARITIES, RIGHT? WE ALL WANT SAFETY. AND SOMEONE COMING TO THE END, I'M ASKING YOU TO SAY NO TO MASS SURVEILLANCE AND WHAT CONTINUES TO BE ANOTHER METHOD OF RACIAL PROFILING OF US CITIZENS. THANK YOU SABEL AND NON-US CITIZENS WHO ARE GOOD, HARDWORKING PEOPLE. THANK YOU. NEXT STEP IS HAYDEN GWYNN, FOLLOWED BY MATTHEW W. HAYDEN. HAYDEN GWYNN FROM GILBERT. OKAY, GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS HAYDEN. I'M A RESIDENT OF GILBERT, LIKE SO MANY OTHERS HERE TONIGHT. I CAME HERE BECAUSE CHANDLER IS NOT JUST A CITY, IS A COMMUNITY WHERE SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE CHOSEN TO RAISE THEIR FAMILIES AND TO ATTEND THEIR SCHOOLS COUNCIL MEMBERS. TODAY'S VOTE IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY, IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR MISUSE. IT IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO BE WATCHED WHENEVER WE LEAVE THE HOUSE. IT'S ABOUT WHAT KIND OF COMMUNITY THAT CHANDLER WANTS TO BE. ARE WE GOING TO BE A COMMUNITY THAT INVESTS IN EDUCATIONS JOBS, REAL SOLUTIONS FOR OUR PROBLEMS? OR ARE WE GOING TO BE A COMMUNITY OF MASS SURVEILLANCE AND 24 7 DATA COLLECTION, NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, FLOCK'S BUSINESS MODEL IS ONE BUILT OFF OF TAKING OUR DATA WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE, WITHOUT OUR CONSENT. IN CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY FLOCK CAMERAS HAVE BEEN USED REPEATEDLY, INAPPROPRIATELY TO TRACK AND MONITOR INNOCENT PEOPLE. RIGHT HERE IN ARIZONA, TEMPE POLICE DEPARTMENT MADE ATTEMPTS TO LOCATE NO KINGS DAY PROTESTS USING FLOCK DATABASES. THERE ARE NO SAFEGUARDS THAT CAN CIRCUMVENT THAT BUSINESS MODEL, THAT SIMPLE FACT. AND THERE IS NO PRICE WORTH PAYING WHEN THE COST IS OUR BASIC CIVIL LIBERTIES AND THE PRIVACY OF OUR NEIGHBORS. AND DESPITE WHAT [03:05:01] FLOCK CLAIMS, THESE AI CAMERAS ARE NOT GOING TO PROTECT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY. WE NEED TO FIND SOLUTIONS THAT PRESERVE OUR PRIVACY AND THE RIGHTS THAT WE HAVE AS PEOPLE. WE SHOULD BE INVESTING OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS BACK INTO HOUSING, INTO OUR COMMUNITIES, INTO SCHOOLS, AND INTO ROADS. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE NEED TO BE, WE NEED TO BE THE CHANDLER THAT PRIORITIZES HIS COMMUNITY, NOT BIG CORPORATIONS. THANK YOU NORBERG CAL CALER, FOLLOWED BY KELSEY ANDERSON. NORBERT, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND RESIDENCE. MY NAME IS NORBERT CALER. I LIVE IN TUKE, BUT I, UH, ACTUALLY LIVE HERE IN CHANDLER AND I WORK IN CHANDLER. SO GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, I'M HERE TO TONIGHT TO OPPOSE RENEWAL OF CHANNELERS, UM, AUTOMATED, AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER CONTRACT WITH FLOCK GROUP. I GREW UP IN GERMANY WHEN THERE'S STILL AN EAST AND WEST GERMANY. I REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED WHEN GOVERNMENTS NORMALIZED SURVEILLANCE IN THE NAME OF SECURITY AND SOCIAL ORDER. PEOPLE IN EAST GERMANY LIVED UNDER CONSTANT MONITORING BY THEI. THAT'S THE STATE SECURITY. IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW, CITIZENS INFORMED ON NEIGHBORS RECORDS WERE KEPT ON ORDINARY PEOPLE. PRIVACY DISAPPEARED LITTLE BY LITTLE UNTIL FEAR AND CONTROL BECAME PART OF DAILY LIFE. I'M ALSO A VETERAN OF THREE WARS. I SERVE THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN FREEDOM. I BELIEVE FREEDOM MATTERS AND FREEDOM IS NOT ONLY THE RIGHT TO SPEAK, IT IS THE RIGHT TO LIVE WITHOUT BEING CONSTANTLY TRACKED AND RECORD BY YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT. A PLR CAMERAS DO NOT JUST TRACK CRIMINALS. THEY TRACK EVERYONE, EVERY PARENT DRIVING SCHOOL, EVERY WORKER COMMUTING HOME, EVERY CITIZEN ATTENDING CHURCH, A PROTEST, A MEDICAL APPOINTMENT, OR SIMPLY VISITING FRIENDS. THESE SYSTEMS QUIETLY CREATE PERMANENT RECORDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE'S MO MOVEMENTS, HABITS, RELATIONSHIPS, AND PRIVATE LIVES. ONCE THAT DATA EXISTS, HIT HISTORY TEACHES US IT'LL EVENTUALLY BE MISUSED, MISUSE BY INDIVIDUALS, MISUSE BY CORPORATIONS, MISUSE BY FUTURE ADMINISTRATIONS WE MAY NOT TRUST AS MUCH DATA GETS ABUSED, LEAKED, HACKED, SOLD, SHARED, AND WEAPONIZED. HUMAN NATURE DOES NOT CHANGE SIMPLY BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY BECOMES MORE ADVANCED. THE DANGER IS NOT ONLY THE WHAT THIS SYSTEM DOES TODAY, THE DANGER IS WHAT IT BECOMES TOMORROW. EVERY CAMERA ADDED NORMALIZES, CONSTANT MONITORING. EVERY RENEWAL EXPANDS THE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE ARE SOLELY CONSTRUCTING A SOCIETY WHERE ANONYMITY DISAPPEARS. THANK YOU, SIR. KELLY ANDERSON, FOLLOWED BY ERIC SANDOVAL. KELLY, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND RESIDENCE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS KELSEY AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY. AS A LONG TIME GOLD STAR CHANDLER RESIDENT, LIVED HERE, WORKED HERE, AND WENT TO SCHOOL HERE ALL MY LIFE. I HAVE LIVED HERE SINCE I WAS FOUR YEARS OLD, AND I'M DEEPLY DISTURBED WITH THE DIRECTION THAT CHANDLER IS GOING. THAT IS ENTIRELY DUE WITH THE POSSIBLE RENEWAL OF THE FLOCK. CONTRACT FLOCK CAMERAS ARE NOT WHAT CHANDLER NEEDS OR WANTS. $150,000 IS MONEY THAT SHOULD BE REINVESTED INTO THE THINGS THAT CHANDLER RESIDENTS ACTUALLY USE, LIKE FUNDING, EDUCATION AND HOUSING. THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY DESERVE FOR THEIR REPRESENTATIVES TO HAVE THEIR BEST INTERESTS IN MIND. RENEWING THIS CONTRACT ONLY PROVES THAT THIS COUNCIL IS VESTED IN LINING THE POCKETS OF THE BILLIONAIRES WHO SEEK TO USE OUR DATA. NEFARIOUSLY, SEEING HOW FLOCK DATA IS BEING USED ACROSS THE COUNTRY. CHANDLER PD MISUSING THIS DATA IS NOT A HYPOTHETICAL, IT'S INEVITABILITY. I FIND IT LAUGHABLE THAT WE ARE BEING ASKED TO TRUST THIS TECHNOLOGY WHEN WE'VE SEEN IT FAIL TIME AND TIME AGAIN. ARE WE JUST SUPPOSED TO TRUST CITY OVERSIGHT? WILL PREVENT ERRORS HAPPENING TO CHANDLER RESIDENTS? LIKE THE ERROR THAT CAUSED THE TOLEDO MAN BRANDON UPCHURCH TO BE MAULED BY A POLICE DOG BECAUSE A FLOCK CAMERA MISREAD A SEVEN ON HIS LICENSE PLATE AS A TWO. I DON'T THINK I WANT THAT FOR A RESIDENT, AND I DON'T THINK YOU DO EITHER. I WANT THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO BE A PLACE THAT YOUNG FAMILIES FEEL CONFIDENT TO RAISE CHILDREN AND TO LIVE HERE. I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT PROSPECTIVE WEALTHY RESIDENTS WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE PRISONERS JUST DRIVING TO THE GROCERY STORE AND WALKING IN THE STREETS. THE POINT THAT WE ARE ALL MAKING HERE IS NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT TAYLOR TO THRIVE OR TO BE SAFE OR TO BE PROTECTED. WE DON'T WANT FLOCK CAMERAS IN GENERAL. WE DON'T WANT THEM WITH COUNCIL OVERSIGHT. WE DON'T WANT THEM WITH, UH, INCREASED POLICE COOPERATION OR REGULATION. WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT AND WE DON'T WANT FLOCK CAMERAS AT ALL IN ANY CAPACITY. WE WANT FLOCK [03:10:01] OUTTA CHANDLER POWER TO THE PEOPLE ERIC SANDOVAL, FOLLOWED BY JUANITA C ERIC, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. UH, HELLO CITY COUNCIL. UH, MY NAME IS ERIC SANDOVAL. UH, I'M ACTUALLY A, A RESIDENT OF TEMPE. I'M NOT FROM CHANDLER AT ALL. UM, BUT I THINK AS WE'VE SEEN, ALMOST EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE IS A CHANDLER RESIDENT. UM, SO MAYBE DON'T LAMBAST US ABOUT BEING OUTSIDE AGITATORS. UM, BECAUSE ALSO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE PEOPLE IS HERE AT 9:00 PM ON A WORK NIGHT. WHERE'S FLOCK? WHERE DID THEY GO? FLOCK ISN'T EVEN HERE ANYMORE. THEY'RE NOT COMMITTED TO THIS CITY AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE TRUSTED AT ALL. FLOCK LIES. THEY'RE A LYING COMPANY. IT'S NOT ABOUT MISUSE OR ONE TIME INCIDENTS. FLOCK FED THEIR DATA TO CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION WITHOUT TELLING LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS. AND WHEN THEY WERE CAUGHT DOING IT, THEY APOLOGIZED. YOU THINK THEY APOLOGIZED BECAUSE THEY FELT BAD 'CAUSE THERE WAS AN ETHICAL PROBLEM? NO, THEY FELT BAD 'CAUSE THEY CAUGHT FLACK FROM THE MEDIA FLOCK. FLOCK IS NOT A COMPANY TO BE TRUSTED. IT IS A COMPANY THAT IS DONATED TO AND FUNDED BY FASCISTS. AND IT'S NOT IN ANY CITY'S INTEREST TO BE ALIGNED WITH ICE OR BORDER PATROL. UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS ARE BEING DEFUNDED. UM, CHANDLER RESIDENTS WHO HAVE LIVED THERE THEIR ENTIRE LIVES CAN'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE BECAUSE IT'S UNAFFORDABLE. I THINK IT'S DEEPLY WORRYING THAT YOU WOULD EVEN CONSIDER RENEWING THIS CONTRACT DESPITE AND THE DOZENS OF INCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED ACROSS THE COUNTRY. UM, I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO. I URGE YOU, UM, TO CONSIDER WHAT YOU HAD DONE DURING JIM CROW. 'CAUSE YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW. WHAT YOU HAD DONE DURING THE HOLOCAUST YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. EITHER YOU SIDE WITH FASCISM OR YOU SIDE WITH THE PEOPLE. THANK YOU. JUANITA SK FOLLOWED BY MARGIE GOMEZ. ANITA STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JANITA AND I'M VERY MUCH A CHANDLER RESIDENT COUNCILWOMAN ALICE. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SHARE MY CONCERNS ABOUT EXPANDING FLOCK CAMERAS IN OUR CITY. I WANNA START BY SAYING THIS CLEARLY. I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY. LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS ROOM, I WANT CHANDLER TO REMAIN SAFE AND BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE FEEL SECURE AND SUPPORTED. WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THE SCALE AND THE NATURE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY. BLOCK. CAMERAS DON'T JUST CAPTURE VEHICLES TIED TO CRIMES. THEY COLLECT DATA ON EVERYONE. PARENTS DRIVING THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL, FAMILIES HEADING TO THE PARK EVERYDAY LIFE OVER TIME. THAT CREATES THE ABILITY TO TRACK PATTERNS OF MOVEMENT WITHOUT SUSPICION OR CONSENT. THAT'S NOT INCREMENTAL. THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT. MY SECOND CONCERN IS TRUST IN WHAT HAPPENS. OVER TIME. IN ILLINOIS, A STATE AUDIT FOUND FLOCK ALLOWED FEDERAL AGENCIES TO ACCESS DRIVER DATA IN VIOLATION OF STATE LAW IN CALIFORNIA CITY SHUT DOWN ITS PROGRAM AFTER DISCOVERING FLOCK HAD ENABLED BROAD DATA SHARING WITH HUNDREDS OF OUTSIDE AGENCIES WITHOUT PERMISSION. AND IN WISCONSIN, LIKE COUNCILMAN HARRIS SAID, AN OFFICER WAS ACCUSED OF MISUSING FLOCK CAMERAS TO TRACK A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP NEARLY 200 TIMES. ONCE SURVEILLANCE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE, IT RARELY SHRINKS. SO MY ASK IS SIMPLE. PAUSE ANY EXPANSION OF FLOCK CAMERAS AND REMOVE THE ONES WE ALREADY HAVE. 'CAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT THE KIND OF CITY MY CHILDREN ARE GROWING UP IN. THEY'RE LEARNING WHAT SAFETY FEELS LIKE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO LEARNING WHAT TRUST FEELS LIKE. IN SEDONA, THE CITY COUNCIL MADE A UNANIMOUS DECISION TO CANCEL ITS FLOCK CONTRACT AND REMOVE CAMERAS AFTER LEARNING ABOUT PREVIOUSLY UNDISCLOSED DATA SHARING AND THE ABILITY FOR FEDERAL AGENCIES TO ACCESS THAT DATA IN WAYS THE COMMUNITY STRONGLY OPPOSED. IN FLAGSTAFF, THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO TERMINATE ITS CONTRACT AND DEACTIVATE ALL CAMERAS EVEN AFTER STRICTER GAVE SAFEGUARDS WERE IN PLACE. BOTH CITIES STEPPED BACKED WHEN TRUST WASN'T THERE. I WANT MY CHILDREN TO GROW UP IN A CHANDLER WHERE SAFETY DOESN'T COME AT THE COST OF BEING CONSTANTLY TRAPPED TONIGHT. IT'S NOT A VOTE ON CAMERAS, IT'S A DECISION ABOUT TRUST. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO CHOOSE. THANK YOU. JUNITA. SAFETY AND PRIVACY. THANK YOU. MATTHEW OR MATTHEW W. IS THERE A MATTHEW? OKAY. UM, DID I CALL YOUR NAME ALREADY? I THINK YOU SAID THAT I WAS GONNA BE NEXT. BARGI GOMEZ? NOPE, NOT YET. SORRY. OH, SORRY. NO, THAT'S MATTHEWS, BUT WE'LL GET TO YOU PROMISE. BEN ABERCROMBIE. OH, THEN MARGIE. I'M SORRY. BEN THEN MARGIE. BEN [03:15:01] STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE PLEASE. YEAH, MY NAME IS BEN ABERCROMBIE. UH, I LIVE IN PHOENIX, BUT I ATTENDED SCHOOL, UH, IN CUSD FOR 10 YEARS. UH, AND I VISIT CHANDLER FREQUENTLY FOR WORK AND FAMILY. UM, ALTHOUGH THE CITY CLAIMS NOT REALLY THE CITY, BUT YOU KNOW, FLOCK CLAIMS THAT THESE $150,000 FLOCK CAMERAS WILL SUPPOSEDLY BOLSTER CRIME PREVENTION. IN REALITY, THESE CAMERAS WILL ONLY SERVE AS AN ABUSE ON THE PRIVACY OF EVERYONE IN CHANDLER. IF THE CONTRACT WITH FLOCK IS CONTINUED, YOU CAN EXPECT THE CONTINUED TRACKING OF PROTESTORS COLLABORATION WITH MALICIOUS FEDERAL AGENCIES LIKE ICE AND RACIAL AND CLASS PROFILING. CONSIDERING THE ROUGHLY 10% ERROR RATE THAT FLOCK CAMERAS OPERATE ON, THE CRIME PREVENTION CLAIMS BECOME EVEN MORE LUDICROUS. UH, FALSE PRO FALSE PROFILING IS MORE THAN POSSIBLE WITH THESE ERROR RATES. AND SO THEN ARE WRONGFUL ARRESTS AND INCARCERATIONS. NONE OF THESE THINGS MAKE CHANDLER AND ITS PEOPLE SAFER. SO TO THAT POINT, I WANNA CITE A FORBES ARTICLE ON A CASE STUDY FLOCK SITES REGARDING SAN MARINO, CALIFORNIA. UH, FLOCK CLAIM THAT WITH THEIR CAMERAS CRIMES IN THE TOWN FELL 70%. IN FACT, THE FORBES ARTICLE FOUND THAT RESIDENTIAL BURGLARIES, WHICH THE FLOCK, WHICH THE FLOCK CLAIMS FOCUSED ON ACTUALLY INCREASED 5% BETWEEN 2019 AND 2023. SO IT GOT WORSE. UH, FLOCKS ASSAULTS ON HUMAN RIGHTS ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONTROLLED OR REFORMED EFFECTIVELY EITHER. THE CITY'S CONTRACTS WITH THIS COMPANY MUST BE ENDED IMMEDIATELY. SO RATHER THAN FACILITATE THE OPERATIONS OF ANTI-HUMAN AGENCIES LIKE ICE, I URGE YOU TO DEDICATE THESE FUNDS TOWARDS THE PEOPLE TOWARDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND FREE HEALTHCARE AND QUALITY EDUCATION. THESE THINGS WILL MAKE CHANDLER SAFER, NOT FLOCK ALL POWER TO THE PEOPLE. MARGIE GOMEZ, POWERED BY BRITTANY GEN. MARGIE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, OR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MARGIE GOMEZ. I AM A CHANDLER RESIDENT. AS I DO RECALL, MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN ARE, UH, PLEASE VOTE, DO NOT APPROVE A RENEWAL OF THE OF THE FLOCK CAMERAS. UM, MASS SURVEILLANCE IS DANGEROUS BECAUSE OF MASSIVE PRIVACY, VOL VIOLATIONS AND MISSION CREEP BY PHOTOGRAPHING EVERY PASSING VEHICLE. PRIVATE DETAILS ABOUT PEOPLE'S LIVES SUCH AS WHERE THEY SHOP, GO TO THE DOCTOR, GO TO CHURCH, ATTEND RALLIES WHERE PEOPLE EXERCISE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND, UM, AND WOMEN, AND WHERE WOMEN CAN SEEK REPRODUCTIVE HEALTHCARE OR GENDER AFFIRMING CARE. THERE HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED CASES OF PRIVATE OFFICERS MISUSING THE LAW ENFORCEMENT DATABASES, INCLUDING TO TRACK THEIR ROMANTIC PARTNERS, NEIGHBORS, AND JOURNALISTS. UM, IT'S DISINGENUOUS TO SAY THAT TRACKING VEHICLES AND NOT, IS NOT, UM, TRACKING FACES, UM, BECAUSE PEOPLE TRAVELING CARS AND PEOPLE WHO, UH, WHO ARE IN THE CARS MAY NOT ALSO BE THE BE THE PEOPLE. UM, AI IS FRAUGHT WITH HEIRS, AND I ALSO DO NOT WANT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO BE HAPPENING HERE. I THINK IT'S, IT'S VERY SCARY THAT FLOCK HAS BEEN GIVEN THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT CLEARANCE. I GREATLY APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS'S SUGGESTIONS TO REVIEW, UM, WHAT IS HAPPENING. UH, DATA BROKERS ARE BYPASSING A LOT OF WARRANTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DISCONTINUE ANY OF OUR COLLABORATIONS WITH BLOCK. THANK YOU. BRITTANY DENTURED, FOLLOWED BY SHANE STRONG. BRITTANY, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. HI, MY NAME IS BRITTANY DUNFIELD AND I'M A RESIDENT OF 10 P, BUT I BABYSIT IN CHANDLER. UM, I AM IN MY FIRST YEAR OF MEDICAL SCHOOL TO BECOME A PEDIATRICIAN. I TOOK TIME OUT OF STUDYING FOR MY FINAL TONIGHT TO BE HERE BECAUSE I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT PROTECTING AND ADVOCATING FOR CHILDREN AND THEIR RIGHTS. WHEN I LEARNED THERE'S A FLOCK CAMERA POINTED AT, IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, MY HEART DROPPED IN AN AGE OF RAMPANT PEDOPHILIA. I WORRY NOT IF, BUT WHEN THIS FOOTAGE WILL BE MISUSED. CHILDREN ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE IN OPPRESSED GROUP IN THE ENTIRE WORLD. THEY DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONSENT TO MASS SURVEILLANCE, INVESTING THIS MONEY INTO SURVEILLANCE WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY LAYING OFF DOZENS OF THEIR TEACHERS WILL TEACH THIS GENERATION THAT THEY'RE CRIMINALS THAT NEED TO BE MONITORED, THAT MASS SURVEILLANCE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THEIR EDUCATION AND THAT CONSENT DOES NOT MATTER. [03:20:01] INVESTING THIS MONEY INTO EDUCATION, CREATIVE AND SOCIAL OUTLETS IN PUBLIC COMMUNITY SPACES IS A PROVEN WAY TO REDUCE CRIME AND WOULD MAKE A MUCH BETTER USE OF THESE FUNDS. FURTHERMORE, I HAD SOME MORE POINTS THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY TOUCHED ON, WHICH WAS GREAT. I'VE BEEN A MISSING PERSON. I DON'T SHARE THAT WITH MANY PEOPLE. I HAD AN AMBER ALERT IN 2008. I WAS GONE FOR TWO WEEKS. I'VE BEEN IN THIS SCENARIO AND STILL I WOULD NOT CONSENT TO HAVING MY BODY TRACKED AND RECORDED WITHOUT A WARRANT, EVEN IF THAT MEANT SOLVING MY OWN CASE. WHO I'VE BEEN IN THIS SITUATION. AND I DO NOT CONSENT TO THAT. THIS IS ONLY GOING TO HARM US, ESPECIALLY WOMEN AND CHILDREN. WE DO NOT WANT THIS DYSTOPIAN SOFTWARE IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE DO NOT WANT RECORDINGS OF CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST US TO EXIST. THANK YOU, JAMES STRONG. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. MY NAME IS SHANE STRONG. I'M 24 YEARS OLD AND I'VE LIVED IN ARIZONA MY WHOLE LIFE. I LIVED IN CHANDLER FOR OVER 14 YEARS, AND I'VE WORKED HERE SINCE I WAS 16 YEARS OLD. BEFORE I ADDRESSED THE CONTRACT, LET ME BE ENTIRELY CLEAR. I AM NOT ANTI LAW ENFORCEMENT. I BELIEVE PROFOUNDLY IN PUBLIC SAFETY. HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID, THE FOURTH AMENDMENT WAS WRITTEN TO PROTECT AMERICANS AGAINST WARRANTLESS, GENERALIZED MASS UNWARRANTED TRACKING AND SEARCHING BY OUTSOURCING OUR PUBLIC ROADS TO A VENTURE BACKED CORPORATION WHERE BUILDING AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL ANTI-AMERICAN MASS SURVEILLANCE GRID FLOCK EXTENDS FAR BEYOND JUST LICENSE PLATE READERS FOR FALCON CAMERAS CREATE A PERMANENT VEHICLE FINGERPRINT TRACKING DECALS AND ROOF RACKS. THE RAVEN AUDIO SENSORS LISTEN TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEIR CONDO CONDOR. CAMERAS USE AI ANALYTICS TO LOG CHARACTERISTICS LIKE CLOTHING, HEIGHT, AND GAIT WITHOUT OUR CONSENT. THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF A DYSTOPIAN CORPORATE PANOPTICON. IT TREATS EVERY SINGLE CHANDLER RESIDENT AS A SUSPECT IN A ROLLING, NEVER ENDING LINEUP. WHAT IS MOST UN-AMERICAN ABOUT THIS TECHNOLOGY IS THAT IT RENDERS US GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT. THE MOMENT A FLOCK CAMERA ISSUES AN ALERT, AN INNOCENT CITIZEN IS INSTANTLY FLAGGED BECAUSE INDEPENDENT EVALUATIONS BY A THIRD PARTY, UM, OVERSIGHT FIRMS ESTIMATE ERROR CAN BE AS HIGH AS 10% ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THESE FALSE ALMO AL SORRY GUYS, UM, HAVE ALREADY RESULTED IN TERRIFYING HIGH PROFILE WRONGFUL ARRESTS AND INNOCENT DRIVERS BEING HELD AT GUNPOINT IN A HIGH RISK TRAFFIC STOP. I URGE YOU TO HONOR YOUR OATH TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION, PROTECT THE PRIVACY OF CHANDLER RESIDENTS AND VOTE NO ON THIS EXTENSION. A TRUE PATRIOT BENJAMIN FRANKLIN ONCE SAID, THOSE WHO GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY TO PURCHASE A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY NOR SAFETY, ALL POWERED OF A PEOPLE BER, FOLLOWED BY JUDITH COLBURN, REED MBER, FOLLOWED BY JUDITH COLBURN IS REED HERE PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. REED NIER. I LIVE IN CHANDLER, ARIZONA. UH, FLOCK ADVERTISES THEIR CAMERAS AS SIMPLE AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS, BUT THEIR PATENTS TELL US A DIFFERENT STORY. THESE THINGS ARE AI POWERED SURVEILLANCE MACHINES THAT CAPTURE EVERY PASSING VEHICLE AND PERSON AND TRANSMIT THAT DATA TO PRIVATE CORPORATE CLOUDS, MAKING IT QUERYABLE BY MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCIES. THE CITY OF CHANDLER DOES NOT CONTROL THAT DATABASE. THAT DATABASE HAS NO PUBLIC RECORD RIGHTS BECAUSE IT'S ON A PRIVATE SERVER. OUR DAILY, OR EXCUSE ME, OUR DAILY MOVE, EXCUSE ME, OUR DAILY MOVEMENTS ARE BEING TRACKED AND HARVESTED BY A $7.5 BILLION CORPORATION THAT CURRENTLY ONLY ANSWERS TO VENDOR CAPITALISTS, NOT US FLOCK DID NOT REACH THAT VALUATION ON THEIR OWN BY PER CAMERA SUBSCRIPTIONS. WHERE'S THAT DATA GO? WHERE'S THAT MONEY COMING FROM? THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE COORDINATING, OR EXCUSE ME, THAT THEY ARE CONDUCTING BUSINESS WITH THE FLOCK. CEO, EXCUSE ME, FORGET. THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD UNDER ALSO UNDERSTAND WHO THEY'RE CON CONDUCTING BUSINESS WITH. THE FLOCK. CEO WAS, UH, ASKED WHETHER OR NOT THE COMPANY HAD ANY SORT OF NATIONAL CONNECTIONS OR FEDERAL CONNECTIONS. THEY SAID NO. BUT OBVIOUSLY, AS WE'VE BEEN TOLD, THAT'S NOT EXACTLY THE TRUTH CONSIDERING THAT FLOCK INTEGRATES DIRECTLY, EXCUSE ME, DIRECTLY WITH PALANTIR AND, UH, DATA FUSION PLATFORM WITH A $30 MILLION CONTRACT WITH ICE. AND THAT PETER THIEL, THE FOUNDER OF PALANTIR, [03:25:01] IS ONE OF FLOCK'S PRIMARY INVESTORS. THESE ARE NOT SEPARATE COMPANIES. THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER AND THAT INFORMATION IS GONNA BE SHARED AND EVENTUALLY USED AGAINST US. I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO. I URGE YOU TO RECALL AND CANCEL ANY CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE AT THIS TIME. IT'S COBURN, FOLLOWED BY REBECCA NICHOLS. JUDITH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF REFERENCE RESIDENCE. HI TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE MAYOR. UM, MY NAME IS JUDITH COBURN AND I'M READING A STATEMENT TONIGHT FROM KAI NEWKIRK. JUDITH, WHERE DO YOU LIVE, PLEASE? OH, MESA, I'M FROM MESA. THANK YOU. AND, UH, KAI LIVES IN TEMPE, BUT, UM, HE'S, UM, REPRESENTING HIM. I HAVE A STATEMENT HERE. I'M READING FROM KAI NEWKIRK, DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR US CONGRESS IN ARIZONA'S FOURTH DISTRICT, WHICH INCLUDES PART OF CHANDLER. I'M SORRY, I CAN'T BE THERE TONIGHT. I WANT EVERY RESIDENT WHO SHOWED UP TO SAY NO TO RENEWING THIS LOCK HAND CONTRACT. JUDI, PLEASE TALK TO US. WITH YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU, JUDITH. WE'RE LIVING THROUGH AN AUTHORITARIAN MASS DEPORTATION CAMPAIGN THAT IS VIOLATING OUR LAWS IN THE BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS OF OUR NEIGHBORS. NOT JUST UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE, BUT DACA REC RECIPIENTS, PERMANENT RESIDENTS, VISA HOLDERS, AND CITIZENS. ICE HAS PROVEN IT IS A DANGER TO ALL OF OUR RIGHTS AND EVEN TO OUR LIVES, AND IT SHOULD BE DISBANDED. CHANDLER MUST NOT HAND TRUMP AND ICE ANY TOOL THEY CAN USE TO EXTEND THEIR CRUELTY FURTHER TO OUR COMMUNITY. THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR. ISA ACCESS FLOCKED OUT A THOUSANDS OF TIMES THROUGH LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. NO CONTRACTUAL ASSURANCE CHANGES THAT RISK. FLAGSTAFF, SEDONA, SOUTH TUCSON, AND MANY OTHER CITIES HAVE ALREADY CUT TIES WITH FLOCK. CHANDLER SHOULD JOIN WITH THEM TONIGHT. MASS SURVEILLANCE OF OUR NEIGHBORS BY THE AGENTS OF AN AUTHORITARIAN TYRANT IS NOT PUBLIC SAFETY. IT IS COMPLICITY AND CRIMINAL ABUSE. PLEASE VOTE NO THANK YOU. BECCA NICHOLS, FOLLOWED BY CHRISTOPHER RE, RAY CHRIS, BUT FIRST REBECCA NICHOLS. ALL RIGHT. THANK. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. MY NAME IS REBECCA NICHOLS. I'VE LIVED IN CHANDLER FOR OVER 25 YEARS. UM, SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED, BUT I WANTED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN MR. HARRIS AND THE FLACK PERSON. UM, MOST OF IT'S BEEN COVERED IN OTHER CONVERSATION, BUT, UM, BY THE WAY, MY BACKGROUND IS I'M A RETIRED ATTORNEY AND I WAS A COMPUTER SCIENTIST. I WORKED FOR MOTOROLA, THAT'S WHY I MOVED HERE 25 YEARS AGO. SO I HAVE SOME EXPERTISE IN THIS AREA. AND, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COUPLE POINTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN MADE YET. NUMBER ONE, IMAGES FROM FLOCK HAVE BEEN RULED TO BE ACCESSIBLE, UM, THROUGH THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. SO IT'S AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT MOTION. THE SECOND THING I WANNA SAY IS THE CLOUD STORAGE. THEY DO HAVE RETENTION LIMITS THAT YOU CAN SET BY CONTRACT, BUT THEY ARCHIVE EVERYTHING. SO THE DATA IS THERE FOREVER AND ACCESSIBLE BY OTHER AGENCIES. THE LAST THING I WANNA TALK ABOUT IS DATA INTEGRITY. UM, IT HASN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT HERE. SO THERE'S DATA ACCESS, WHICH I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, AND DATA INTEGRITY, WHICH IS WHERE THEY TAKE THE IMAGES AND USE AI TO GET SCENARIOS OF WHERE, HOW PEOPLE ARE MOVING AND THE CITY AND THAT KIND OF THING. AND THAT'S RAW FOR, UM, MISUSE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HOW YOU'RE GONNA APPROACH THIS, BUT I FEEL LIKE YOU REALLY NEED A SOPHISTICATED LEVEL OF CONTRACT, UH, KNOWLEDGE AND DATA KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE EVEN THE CONTRACTS, LIKE IF FLAT KEPT SAYING WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA USE THE HIGHEST STANDARDS TO PROTECT IT. WELL THAT MEANS, WHAT'S THAT MEAN? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A NEBULOUS TERM AND IT'S EASY TO GET KIND OF BOLT OVER BY SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT. SO I URGE YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THIS EXPERTISE AVAILABLE TO YOU AND USE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHRISTOPHER. FOLLOWED BY TANDRA MADISON. CHRISTOPHER STATE, YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS CHRISTOPHER JENNINGS. RYAN, MY FAMILY HAS BEEN HERE SINCE 1890, SINCE BEFORE ARIZONA WAS A STATE. MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER, JF JENNINGS, WAS ON THE NINTH AND 10TH LEGISLATURE FOR THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IN DOWNTOWN PHOENIX. I LIVE IN CHANDLER. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN TEMPE. FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT NOBODY HAS ADDRESSED. I ATTENDED THE MEETING MONDAY EVENING, THIS COUNCIL STUDY SESSION, THE SPEAKER REPRESENTATIVE FOR FLOCK. LET ME FIRST BE CLEAR, I BE HUMANLY STAUNCHLY STARKLY OPPOSED CAMERAS. [03:30:01] SHE MENTIONED 70 HUN, 7,700 PINGS THAT WERE ALERTED THROUGH THE FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEM SINCE IT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED, I DID MY OWN INDEPENDENT RESEARCH IN A MATTER OF EIGHT MINUTES WITH THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET. ALL THE SOURCES I COULD FIND. HOW MANY ARRESTS DO YOU THINK WERE MADE WITH THOSE 7,700 PEAKS? 65. WHAT PERCENTAGE IS THAT? THAT'S 0.8. SO YOU EXPECT US TO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS EFFECTIVE. IF YOU, DID ANY OF YOU, DID ANY OF YOUR JOBS ON THE OUTSIDE OR HERE AT 0.1% OR 0.8? LESS THAN 1%. WOULD YOU STILL BE HERE? UHHUH, NIN. LET'S REMEMBER 9 1 1 TSA RIGHT FOR YOUR SAFETY AND SECURITY. WHAT HAPPENED? THEY STARTED TAPPING ALL OUR PHONES. LET'S SAY SOME KEYWORDS INTO OUR PHONE RIGHT NOW. LET'S SAY MAYBE FARMER SUPPLY TO SEE IF FARMER SUPPLY MARKET SHOWS UP ON ANY OF YOUR ALGORITHMS. WE KNOW THEY LISTEN. THEY ALREADY TRACK US, RIGHT? IT'S CAN WE TRUST? ANSWER IS NO. NOBODY HERE TRUSTS. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO. I AM COMING YOU, SIR, FOR SAYING THE WORDS THAT WE WANT TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT US. IT GOES FROM THE BOTTOM UP. YOU SAID THE KEY WORD. ACCOUNTABILITY. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT FROM PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT US. THAT'S WHY I LEARNED SPANISH IS WORKING HERE. SO ALL I'M SAYING I VEHEMENTLY OPPOSE THIS. DO NOT VOTE. THANK YOU, SIR. YES. NEXT STEP. ISRA MADISON. LARA, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. UM, LARA MADISON. I'M A RESIDENT OF CHANDLER. UM, I CAME HERE JUST BECAUSE I HEARD ABOUT THIS LOCK, UM, DISCUSSION. UM, WE SPOKE ABOUT CHANDLER BEING A DIGNIFIED CITY, UH, HOW WE REPRESENT OURSELVES AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING. AND AS A RESIDENT OF CHANDLER, THE TOOL, THIS CAMERA TOOL THAT WE'RE USING IS ALMOST GOING AGAINST THAT IMAGE. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DEMONSTRATE AS A CITY, THAT WE NEED THIS TYPE OF TOOL TO GOVERN OURSELVES, IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE ASKING OURSELVES. YOU'RE GONNA DISCUSS THIS AMONGST YOURSELVES. I JUST ASKED YOU TO CONSIDER CAN CHANDLER POLICE DEPARTMENT CONTINUE THEIR WORK EFFECTIVELY WITHOUT CAMERAS? YEP. I ASKED ONCE AND I'LL ASK YOU AGAIN A MATTHEW W OKAY. THANK YOU COUNSEL. THAT'S ALL THE CARDS THAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME. UM, CHIEF, I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU AND FLOCK A CHANCE TO MAYBE ADDRESS ANY OF THE QUESTIONS. I, I KNOW I'VE GOT A COUPLE THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP JUST TO ITERATE AGAIN OR ITERATE AGAIN. I, UM, I I'VE VOLUNTEERED AT GALVESTON FOR 14 YEARS READING THERE, BUT, UH, AGAIN, I I I'LL ASK AGAIN. ARE THOSE OUR CAMERAS AT THAT ARE IN THE CENTER OF THAT SQUARE MILE OR DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA IN, AS YOU'VE SAID, NO, WHO'S THEY MIGHT BE. DOES THE SCHOOL HAVE CAMERAS ON THEIR CAMPUS OR TELL ME, TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT. SURE. YES, THROUGH THE MAYOR. SO DURING, UH, ALL THE COMMENT SECTIONS, WE DID, UM, WORK THROUGH OUR LOGISTICS POINT. THAT IS A FLAT CAMERA ON GALVESTON. OKAY. UM, PLEASE GO. UM, IMPORTANTLY, THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL 14 CAMERAS THAT WAS PUT IN AS A PILOT PROGRAM IN THAT AREA TO ADDRESS, UM, ONGOING CRIME IN THE GALVESTON NEIGHBORHOOD AT THE PREVIOUS DIRECTION OF CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. OKAY. THAT CAMERA HAS BEEN ON A LIST FOR ABOUT A MONTH WITH FLOCK FOR IT TO BE REMOVED AND REPURPOSED. I AM HAPPY REPORT THAT SINCE THIS MEETING STARTED, WE SENT PEOPLE OUT THERE AND WE'VE REMOVED THAT CAMERA FROM THAT AREA. UM, SO SECONDLY, I I KNOW YOU SAID ON MONDAY TOO, OR MICHELLE DID, ABOUT THE 7,700 PINGS THAT THESE WERE NOT, I I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, BUT THESE WERE NOT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A, A MULTIPLE SCENARIO. SAY THAT WHAT YOU SAID AGAIN, PLEASE. YEAH, I'M GONNA ASK, UH, I'LL ASK MICHELLE, UH, TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE, UH, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE GET AN ALERT ON THE CAMERA AND WHY THERE MIGHT BE MULTIPLE HITS ON DIFFERENT CAMERAS, BUT THIS IS A LITTLE MORE TECHNICAL THAN MY PURVIEW, SO [03:35:01] I'LL HAVE MICHELLE DISCUSS IT. THANK YOU. THROUGH THE MAYOR. SO WITH ALL OF THOSE ALERTS, UH, THERE WILL BE TIMES WHEN A VEHICLE PASSES MULTIPLE CAMERAS. THERE WILL BE TIMES WHEN MAYBE THE SAME VEHICLE IS IN THE AREA ANOTHER TIME AND WE DON'T, UH, CATCH UP TO THE VEHICLE IF THE VEHICLE IS WANTED. UH, SO WE'RE NOT IN CONTACT WITH EVERY VEHICLE THAT ALERTS. OKAY. AND THESE AREN'T NECESSARILY THEN 77 SEPARATE INCIDENTS IS WHAT I ALSO HEARD YOU SAY. IT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A TRACKING SCENARIO OF A, OF A SAME ONE DID OR WHAT? THROUGH THE MAYORS THERE ARE, UM, ALERTS IN THE SYSTEM THAT DON'T HIT OUR THRESHOLD TO ALERT OUR OPERATORS. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME THAT WE TAKE NO ACTION ON. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND JUST ONE MORE FOR, UH, FOR YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR STAYING HERE WITH US. THE, THE DATA PURGING QUESTION VERSUS, UM, STORAGE OR, OR, OR WHATEVER THE WORD. TELL US AGAIN, WHAT, OR TELL US WHAT HAPPENS AFTER 30 DAYS? IS THE DATA GONE, GONE, GONE? IS IT, OR IS IT STORED SOMEPLACE ELSE? REITERATE OR ITERATE? YEAH. UM, THANK YOU MAYOR FOR THE QUESTION. AND I, UM, JUST CONFIRMED WITH OUR TECHNICAL TEAM ABOUT THE DELETION QUESTION. UM, AFTER THE RETENTION PERIOD ENDS OF THAT 30 DAY PERIOD, UM, AWS HARD DELETES THE DATA, AND THAT IS UNDER OUR RETENTION POLICY WITH THE AWS CLOUD SOFTWARE. UM, AND IT'S VETTED THROUGH AUDIT, YOU CAN VERIFY THAT THROUGH AUDIT LOGS IN MONITORING AS WELL. SO IT, IT DOES WHAT AGAIN, IT IS HARD DELETED IN THE AWS CLOUD SYSTEM. OKAY. AND YOU CAN VERIFY THAT THROUGH AUDITING, UM, AND MONITORING. OKAY. COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, FOR THESE THREE PEOPLE? COUNCILMAN ORLANDO? SO I'VE HEARD TONIGHT NUMEROUS CITIES ACROSS THE NATION HAVE BEEN DROPPING CLOCK, UM, AS A BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVE HERE. THAT MUST CONCERN YOU. I'M JUST ASKING WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHY COMMUNITIES ARE NOT USING YOUR SYSTEM ANYMORE? UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VERY HEATED AND VERY CONCERNING TIME FOR, FOR PUBLIC CITIZENS HAVING CONCERNS ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, THEIR PRIVACY, AND THAT HEALTHY TENSION THAT COMES WITH THAT. GOT IT. AND SO, COME ON GUYS. COME ON. SERIOUSLY. COME ON. PLEASE. COME ON. FINISH YOUR SENTENCE PLEASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THROUGH THE MAYOR'S, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. THANK YOU. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, LIKE I MENTIONED, IT'S A VERY HIGH TENSION TIME WITH THAT DEBATE. UM, THROUGH THAT THERE IS TRUST BUILDING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN. AND AT FLOCK WE'RE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT. AND SO, YES, WHILE IT'S CONCERNING, WE ARE COMMITTED TO BUILDING THAT TRUST BACK WITH CITY COUNCILS AND AGENCIES LIKE CHANDLER. UM, I'M COMMITTED TO, I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER OR HARRIS MENTIONED EARLIER, LIKE, YOU KNOW, ME NOT HAVING MEETINGS WITH YOU, I APOLOGIZE TO THAT PRIOR, BUT I'M COMMITTED TO THAT. HAVING THAT OPEN DOOR POLICY BETWEEN FLOCK AND THE CITY OF CHANDLER COUNCIL AND ALWAYS OFFERING MEETINGS WHENEVER YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE. I'M BASED IN THE PHOENIX AREA. IT'S AN EASY TRIP FOR ME TO MAKE. UM, BUT TO YOUR POINT, THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BUILD THAT TRUST BACK AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO DOING SO AND SHOWING THAT WE'RE THE MOST TRANSPARENT AND SAFEST PRODUCT FOR COUNCILS, FOR AGENCIES IN CITIES TO USE. SO WHAT ARE YOUR, WHAT ARE YOUR COMPETITORS? ARE THEY SIMILAR PROCESSES OR WHAT? UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCILMAN BERLIN. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE SPECIFICS OF HOW OUR COMPETITORS WORK. UM, BUT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T HAVE THAT SPECIFIC. ALL RIGHT. UM, CHIEF, UM, THE OTHER DAY YOU GAVE HER, SOMEBODY SKIP SENT THE REPORT OUT ABOUT NUMBER OF INCIDENTS OCCURRING. AND I'M ASSUMING IT CAME FROM YOUR OFFICE ABOUT THE 678 STOLEN LICENSE PLATES. EIGHT WERE RECOVERED. WAS THAT YOUR DATA THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO? THAT'S CORRECT. CAN YOU, YOU WANT ME TO JUST READ THIS TO YOU OR YOU REMEMBER ALL THIS? I DO NOT REMEMBER ALL OF THAT. I WAS TESTING YOU. OKAY. IT, IT'S ONLY NINE 40. UM, SO 6, 7, 8 STOLEN LICENSE PLATE ALERTS, EIGHT RECOVERED. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, THOSE ARE STOLEN LICENSE PLATES THAT WILL REGISTER AN ALERT, REAL TIME OPERATIONS WILL SEE THAT ALERT AND THEY'LL, UH, THEY WILL DIRECT OFFICERS TO THAT VEHICLE, STOP THE VEHICLE, UM, AND MAKE AN ARREST IF NEEDED. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT INITIATED IN CHANDLER WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO? THAT'S CORRECT. IT WOULD BE FROM THE NATIONAL DATABASE. SO IT COULD BE A STOLEN LICENSE PLATE OUT OF ANY CITY, UH, BECAUSE IT'S, UM, COMPARING THE DATABASE TO OUR NATIONAL DATABASE THAT WE HAVE THROUGH CGIS. SO THE FLOCK CAMERA HELPED YOU FIND EIGHT OF THOSE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN 556 STOLEN VEHICLE ALERT. 16 STOLEN VEHICLES RECOVERED. TELL ME ABOUT THAT ONE. THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. SO WHEN AN ALERT COMES IN ON A STOLEN VEHICLE, UH, WE WILL LOCATE THE VEHICLE ON THE CAMERA AND, UH, DIRECT OFFICERS TO THAT STOLEN VEHICLE, AND THEY WILL TAKE ACTION AS NEEDED. [03:40:01] AGAIN, DOESN'T MEAN IT STARTED FROM CHANDLER. THAT'S CORRECT. 94 ARREST WARRANT ALERTS, EIGHT WARRANTS CLEARED. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO? THIS IS SIMILAR TO, UH, THE EXAMPLE I GAVE ON MONDAY NIGHT, WHERE ANYONE IN THE NATION CAN ENTER A WARRANT INTO THE NATIONAL DATABASE. AND IF THAT WARRANT IS ATTACHED TO A VEHICLE, IT WILL, UH, TRIGGER AN ALERT AND WE WILL VERIFY IT AND SEND OFFICERS AS APPROPRIATE. UM, 22 MISSING ENDANGERED PERSON ALERTS NINE LOCATED THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. THOSE ARE MISSING ENDANGERED. UH, SOMETIMES IT'S CHILDREN, SOMETIMES IT'S ELDERLY. THOSE WITH DEMENTIA, UH, AND FOR WHAT, WHATEVER THEIR ISSUE IS, THEY HAVE, UH, MET THE CRITERIA FOR A POLICE REPORT AND TO BE ENTERED INTO THE NATIONAL DATABASE. IF THEY'RE AFFILIATED WITH A VEHICLE VEHICLE, IT WILL CREATE AN ALERT, WE'LL VERIFY IT, AND THEN WE'LL SEND PATROL OFFICERS AS APPROPRIATE. THE OTHER YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW. I GUESS I, I'VE BEEN ON THIS COUNCIL TOO LONG AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, NOT USED TO THIS. I GUESS 273 ACTIVE INVESTIGATIVE ALERTS, 39 ARRESTS. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? VIOLATION THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. THESE ARE INVESTIGATIVE LEADS OR SUSPECTS THAT ARE IN ACTIVE INVESTIGATIONS. AND YEAH. 39 ARRESTS. THAT'S CORRECT. AGAIN, 273. DOES THAT MEAN WE INITIATED THOSE, UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO? I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT, BUT I BELIEVE THOSE ARE OUR INVESTIGATIONS. UM, OR I WILL DOUBLE CHECK TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT ONE OF OUR REGIONAL, UH, INTERAGENCY SHARING AGREEMENTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU CLARIFYING SOME OF THAT, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THIS IS JUST DATA POINTS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT IT ALWAYS MEANT OBVIOUS TILL I HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU TODAY. UM, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS? YEAH. UM, I JUST, I WANTED TO, SO, OR JOHN, YOU CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THIS QUESTION OR KELLY. UM, BUT CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, DO WE HAVE A ORDINANCE THAT SUPPORTS THIS LEVEL OF CONVERSATION? DO WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT, LIKE SOMETHING STRONG THAT, THAT DEALS WITH GUARDRAILS OR LOOKS AT THESE GUARDRAILS AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE'S PLAYING BY THE, THE RULES? MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE DO. OKAY. SO I GUESS, I GUESS THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN DO AT THIS POINT IS JUST ASK FOR EVERY CAMERA TO BE DEACTIVATED UNTIL COUNCIL COMES TOGETHER. DEACTIVATE, DEACTIVATE EVERY CAMERA UNTIL COUNCIL IS ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AND HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. BECAUSE IT, IT IS ONLY FAIR THAT WHAT WE KNOW TODAY, WE HAVE TO WEIGH THAT IN WITH WHAT WE KNOW NOW. NOT WHAT WE DID THEN, BUT WHAT WE KNOW NOW. AND THAT CONVERSATION DESERVES A MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY, WITH OUR CITY MANAGER, WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND WE NEED TO BE IN THE ROOM. SO I ASK COUNCIL THAT WE WOULD, THAT I, IF COUNCIL BE WILLING TO ROLL WITH ME, LET'S TABLE THIS ITEM AND LET'S GET A MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS SO THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT ISSUES COME BACK TO THE PEOPLE WITH SOMETHING THAT'S MEANINGFUL. BUT IN THE MEANWHILE, LET'S DEACTIVATE EVERY CAMERA UNTIL WE GET REAL GUARDRAIL SO I CAN HAVE TRUE OVERSIGHT OVER. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR COUNSEL TO DO. AND SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS CONVERSATION UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION WITH GUARDRAILS AND POLICIES PUT IN PLACE AND DEACTIVATE EVERY CAMERA. YEP. THAT'S MY MOTION. SO THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. UM, I'M NOT SURE COUNCIL IS READY TO DO THAT, BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL MORE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK. SO WE'LL SEE IF YOU GET A, A SECOND TO VOTE ON THAT. IS THERE A SECOND? I THINK COUNCIL'S NOT READY TO MAKE A VOTE YET. COME ON. CUT HIM DOWN. LET TELL HERE. GO F**K HIMSELF OF THE CTIC. I'M SAYING LET'S GET A SECOND SO THAT WAY WE CAN, WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND. WELL, HOLD ON. MAYOR, I, I'M ASKING FOR A SECOND FROM COUNCIL SO WE CAN TABLE THIS CONVERSATION SO WE CAN HAVE A MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION. WE ARE LEARNING A LOT OF NEW INFORMATION TODAY. AND IT'S COMPACT. LET'S NOT, LET'S DO IT THE CHANDLER WAY. LET'S DO IT WITH OUR RESIDENTS. LET'S DO IT THE CHANDLER WAY. AND THE CHANDLER WAY IS JUST ASKING FOR A SECOND. UM, SO WILL, WILL ONE COUNCIL MEMBER SECOND WITH ME JUST SO WE CAN TABLE THIS CONVERSATION SO WE CAN PUT GUARDRAILS AROUND [03:45:01] A FUTURE CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER. I THINK THEY'RE NOT READY TO TALK YET. SO THERE'S NOT A SECOND'S. TWO PEOPLE. WE'LL CONTINUE. THERE'S TWO PEOPLE THAT'S TRYING TO MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER MORALES LAWSUITS. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT I ASKED THAT QUESTION THAT WILL WE TABLE THIS TO HAVE A SESSION? AND THE MAYOR SAID VERY CLEARLY THAT HE'S WILLING TO OPEN A WORK SESSION OVER THE SUBJECT EXEC SESSION. EXEC SESSION ABOUT IT. AND SO IN THAT EXEC SESSION, THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN PRESENT WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. FOR US TO DISCUSS IT AS A, AS A CONSULT AND MAKE A DECISION. YOU CANNOT STRONG ARM US ON THE DIET. I REJECT THAT. I REJECT THAT. I REJECT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER, HARRIS MEMBER. THAT'S NOT COUNCIL MEMBER. THAT'S NOT FAIR. NO, IT'S NOT. NO, BUT YOU CANNOT, HARRIS YOU CANNOT CALL. I DON'T WANNA HEAR IT. YOU CANNOT CALL ME NAMES COUNCIL MEMBER. YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS ME ACCORDINGLY. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT SHE IS NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK TO ME IN THAT TONE OR THAT MANNER TO SAY WHAT I CAN AND CANNOT DO. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. ALSO, MEMBER HARRIS, WITH RESPECT, LET'S DO IT WITH RESPECT. I RESPECT YOUR RESPECT. YOU DID NOT RESPECT, NOT RESPECT MY VOTE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN, WHEN YOU I'M NOT, I'M NOT HAVING NO CONVERSATION ABOUT YOUR VOTE RIGHT NOW. CALL I, I CAN CALL A RECESS IF WE WANNA TALK. WE NEED TO CALL A RECESS. IT'S NOT A IT IS, IT IS REALLY JUST A, IF IF COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS FEELS THAT SHE NEEDS TO CALL ME OUTTA MY NAME, THEN THAT DESERVES A RECESS. THAT MAYBE NEEDS COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS NEEDS THAT. BUT I RESPECTED YOU. COUNSEL. I'M CALLING A RECESS. SUPER. THAT'S FINE. STAND UP YOUR NAME. I DID NOT CALL YOU OUT OF YOUR NAME. YOU, YOU JUST DID. NO, I SAID I DID NOT WANT YOU TO STRONG ARM ME OUT OF A VOTE. YOU JUST SAID I'M NOT STRONG ARMING YOU OUT OF A VOTE HERE. I'M NOT STRONG ARMING YOU. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, THANKS FOR COMING BACK. AUDIENCE. WE'RE BACK IN SESSION. UM, WE DON'T FEEL THAT WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW TO MAKE THIS DECISION. AND UM, UH, CITY MANAGER IS ASSURED, UH, ME, US THAT IF WE TAKE, TAKE A PAUSE, TAKE A COUPLE MONTHS, WE CAN GET THE ANSWERS FROM FLOCK THAT WE DON'T FEEL WE HAVE, AND THEN BETTER HAVE THE ANSWERS TO ADDRESS THIS. SO COUNSEL, I WANNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, DELAY THIS MEETING AND COME BACK AT OUR JULY MEETING TO HAVE A, GET OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED, WHETHER THE, WHETHER THERE'S A STATEMENT OF A, OF AN ORDINANCE WHERE WE WANT TO GO CITY ATTORNEY TELL ME THE CORRECT, CORRECT PROCEDURE TO PROCEED. THANK YOU, MAYOR. IF I MAY, UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOUR MOTION BE TO TABLE THIS ITEM AND TELL JULY TO ALLOW THE COUNCIL TO OBTAIN MORE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. YEAH. SO THAT WOULD BE JULY. WE'VE GOT A MEETING ON THE 13TH OR THE 16TH. WE HAVE BOTH MEETINGS ON THOSE. SO JULY 16TH. YEAH. YES. OKAY. COUNSEL, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, THAT WE, WHAT WAS THE PHRASE AGAIN? MOVE TO THE TABLE. TABLE. THIS DISCUSSION UNTIL JULY 16TH, THAT WILL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME MORE FACT FINDING WITH THE INFORMATION THAT, UH, WE FEEL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE CAMERAS ARE, WHERE THEY'RE NOT DATA STORIES. THERE'S JUST A, A FEEL OF A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT I, I FEEL THAT WE FEEL REMISS AND NOT ABLE TO ANSWER. SO THAT'S MY MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND. OH, WOW. WHO DO I PICK? UH, I SAW BE TURNED OFF. I SAW VICE MAYORS FIRST. SO, UH, SO MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THAT. ALL IN FAVOR OF TABLING THIS TILL JULY 16TH. SAY, AYE. JUST YET BOTH YOU ARE GONNA BE TURNED OFF OR DEACTIVATE THEM. DEACTIVATE. SO, ALL IN FAVOR OF TABLING THIS CONVERSATION UNTIL JULY 16TH. SAY I, OH, ACTUALLY TAKE BONUS. ARE THE CAMERAS GONNA BE DEACTIVATED? WHY IS NOBODY ANSWERING THAT QUESTION? DEACTIVATE. MOTION CARRIES. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS VOTING, NO. OKAY. SO THIS CONVERSATION WILL BE CARRIED ON UNTIL THEN OFF ANSWER, YES. NO [03:50:01] QUESTION. THAT WAS NOT PART OF MY MOTION. THAT IS, WE HAVE NOW YOU'LL BE LEGALLY LIABLE FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS. THEN SINCE YOU KNEW ABOUT IT, YOU DECIDED TO DO NOTHING. ALRIGHT, NEXT. WE HAVE, WE HAVE UNSCHEDULED, [Unscheduled Public Appearances] WE HAVE UNSCHEDULED PUBLIC APPEARANCE. IS, UH, NOAH STILL HERE? WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE CAMERAS? OKAY. YEAH. THE CAMERAS ARE ON UNTIL WE MEET, WE UNTIL WE CONTINUE. AND THEN WE WILL ADDRESS IT. SOMETHING HAPPENS. YEAH. NOAH, ALOHA, MAYOR, AND TO THE REST OF THE CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS NOAH JAMES MARKHAM. AND, UM, I'M, I'M FROM THE GREAT CITY OF TEMPE. UM, AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES STILL. GO AHEAD. OH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, OIE HARRIS. THANK GOD WE HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE MAYOR CORY WOODS IN OUR TEMPE. 'CAUSE SHE'S, YOU AIN'T THAT VERY GOOD. UM, BUT YEAH. SO, UM, , UM, LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THESE NAVAJO PEOPLE, NAVAJO TALKERS THAT TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY DID SOMETHING TO THE WORLD WAR II. YOU KNOW WHAT, WE TALK SO MUCH ABOUT THEM. WE TALK SO MUCH ABOUT THEM. BUT WE, WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THE JAPANESE AMERICANS THAT WERE CONCENTRATED INTO THESE CAMPS IN ARIZONA, RIGHT? WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF, DO WE? AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY FOUND OUT FROM THE NAVAJOS? THAT THEY WEREN'T SAYING THE RIGHT COES. SMART JAPANESE PEOPLE. HUH? AND THAT'S HOW WE ENDED THE WORLD WAR II. THAT IS AMAZING. THAT IS AWESOME. AND WE STILL HAVE THE CAMPS HERE ON SITE. IT IS AMAZING. ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR SAFETY HERE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF REPUBLICANS THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE SAFETY TOO, NOT JUST THE DEMOCRATS. OKAY. UM, AND THEN ALSO WE LOVED ISRAEL AND WE LOVE PALESTINE TOGETHER. WE LOVE THEM BOTH TOGETHER. AND I KNOW WE LOVE THEM BOTH. AND GOD'S COUNTRY IS ISRAEL. IT'S NOT GONNA FAIL. MAHA. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCIL. NEXT ON OUR [ Current Events 1. Mayor's Announcements 2. Council's Announcements 3. City Manager's Announcements] AGENDA IS COUNCIL COMMENTS. I DO NOT HAVE ANY TODAY. WE'LL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER PAULSON. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS. ANY COMMENTS? NOTHING TONIGHT. MAYOR. WHAT'S THAT? YEAH. COUNCIL COMMENTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I DID NOT GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DURING, UH, I'M HERE TO LISTEN TO EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU. UM, AND I RESERVE MY COMMENTS FOR A CERTAIN REASON. BUT I DO WANNA THANK YOU GUYS ALL SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT WITH US AND TAKING THE TIME AND BEING HERE WITH US. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN THROUGH ALL THE EMAILS, THE TEXT MESSAGES, THE SOCIAL MEDIA COMMENTS, UH, THE DIRECT MESSAGES REACHING OUT TO US. WE'VE BEEN LISTENING, OKAY? SINCE REPORTS, SINCE REPORTS CAME OUT OF LAST YEAR WITH FLOCK, WITH ALLEGATIONS OF MISUSE, OF REPORTING, OF GOING ON, IT HAS BEEN A CONCERN AS SOMEONE WHO WORKS IN THE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY EVERY SINGLE DAY, WORKING SIDE BY SIDE WITH THEM, I KNOW HOW THAT FEELS. AND THAT, THAT CONCERN GREW VERY LARGE FOR ME. SINCE LAST YEAR. I HAVE BEEN ASKING OUR STAFF AND REACHING OUT TO FLOCK FOR THEM TO PRESENT THEMSELVES HERE SIX, SEVEN MONTHS AGO TO BE ACCOUNTABLE AND TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS REGARDING ALL OF THIS. OKAY? WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT. WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. AND TODAY, EVEN ON MONDAY, WHEN THEY PRESENTED THEMSELVES, WHEN THEY PRESENTED THEMSELVES HERE ON MONDAY, THEIR ANSWERS, THEIR ANSWERS TO OUR QUESTIONS, TO MY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY, WERE NOT ADEQUATE ENOUGH. THEY DIDN'T ANSWER WHAT WE NEEDED TO BE DONE, OKAY? AND SO THAT'S WHY I CAN'T SUPPORT WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW AT THIS TIME WITH THEM. OKAY? I DO WANT OUR OFFICERS, I HAVE FULL FAITH IN OUR OFFICERS TO HAVE THE TOOLS THAT THEY NEED TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THESE TOOLS CANNOT BE ENDANGERING OUR RESIDENTS HERE IN OUR OWN COMMUNITIES AS WELL. BUT AGAIN, I DO HAVE FULL FAITH IN OUR OFFICERS TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE. AND THIS IS ONLY ONE TOOL THAT ALLOWS 'EM TO DO THAT. AND I BELIEVE IN THEIR FULL ABILITIES, IN THEIR TRAINING AND THEIR OTHER EQUIPMENT TO KEEP US CONTINUED TO BE SAFE HERE IN OUR COMMUNITIES. SO I THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING THE PATIENCE WITH US. OKAY? WE'RE GONNA GET THROUGH THIS TOGETHER. WE'RE GONNA BE HERE. CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO YOU. I LISTENED TO MR. CONKER WHEN HE CAME BACK HERE IN NOVEMBER REQUESTING THIS. SINCE THEN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, YOU GUYS. SO PLEASE ALLOW US PATIENCE. LET US GET THROUGH [03:55:01] THIS. LET US FIND ALL THE ANSWERS WE NEED TO GET TO MAKE THE RIGHT AND PROPER DECISIONS. I THANK YOU AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND BEING HERE WITH US THIS LATE. COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, UH, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINAS, THANKS EVERY FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO VALUE INPUT. WE MAY NOT ALWAYS AGREE, BUT WE DO VALUE INPUT AND WE DID LISTEN TO YOU AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME LEGITIMATE CONCERNS OUT THERE. BUT I ALSO HAVE TRUST IN OUR POLICE OFFICERS THAT THEY WILL USE THIS EQUIPMENT CORRECTLY. NOW, CAN WE GET THE, AN AUDIT? CAN WE GET AN ORDINANCES? CAN I GET ALL THESE THINGS DONE? SURE. IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME. SO I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ALL THE, ALL THE INFORMATION AND THE, UH, DIALOGUE THAT WE HAD TONIGHT. THE, THE CONSTRUCTED DIALOGUE, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE VERY, UM, UM, CIVIL. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING CIVIL, UM, AND TAKING, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE GOT YOUR MESSAGE OUT LOUD AND CLEAR. AND THAT'S ALL I THINK WE ASKED FOR, IS WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, FOLKS. WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL FEELING THIS PRESSURE ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO LET'S JUST, UM, LET'S WORK THIS ISSUE THROUGH, WE'LL WORK THIS ISSUE AND, UH, WE'LL COME BACK WITH SOME, SOME ANSWERS. OKAY? THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THANK YOU TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND STAFF AND TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR, UM, HAVING THIS ROBUST CONVERSATION. UM, OUR COMMUNITY, OUR CITY OF CHANDLER IS BUILT UPON A FOUNDATION OF MUTUAL RESPECT, SHARED EXPECTATIONS, AND A COLLECTIVE COMMITMENT TO THE STANDARDS WE HAVE ESTABLISHED FOR ONE ANOTHER. THE PRESENCE OF FLOCK IS FUNDAMENTALLY INCO INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE VISION, UM, THAT WE HOLD FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND IT IS CLEAR THAT THE OPERATIONS DO NOT ALIGN WITH OUR VALUES OF OUR DESIRE FOR PRIVACY AND AUTONOMY. AND WE HAVE REACHED A POINT WHERE WE MUST PRIORITIZE COMFORT AND SECURITY OF OUR RESIDENTS ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE. THEREFORE, WE ARE FIRM IN OUR POSITION. AND, AND AND I I, I BELIEVE THIS 100% THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE TRUE OVERSIGHT. WE CANNOT DO OUR JOB WITHOUT AN ORDINANCE. WE CANNOT DO OUR JOB WITHOUT A STANDARD POLICY THAT WE ALL AGREE UPON. TABLING. THE CONVERSATION IS GREAT. THE REASON WHY I WANTED THE CAMERAS TO BE TURNED OFF BECAUSE WE HAVE CURRENTLY NO OVERSIGHT AND WE'RE BLIND. SO WITHOUT OVERSIGHT, WE, WE CANNOT GO DOWN A PATH OF ACCOUNTABILITY. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. I MEAN, I WANNA BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TOO. YOU GUYS ARE HERE TO HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE. THIS IS NOT A TIME TO TAKE DIBS AT EACH OTHER. AND I WANT MY COLLEAGUES TO KNOW THAT I, I LOVE EACH ONE OF YOU GUYS, AND WE COULD BE ON THE OPPOSITE END OF THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE. BUT I'M IN SCHOOL RIGHT NOW TO, TO, FOR PUBLIC POLICY, GETTING A HIGHER LEVEL. THESE ARE THE TYPE OF CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE IN THIS, IN OUR ROOMS, IN OUR CLASSROOMS AND OUR CHATS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BECAUSE IF COUNSEL DON'T EXERCISE, IT'S OVERSIGHT. WE ARE DOOMED FOR THE FUTURE. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO. AND YOU KNOW, ONE THING ABOUT OVERSIGHT IS OFTEN UNCOMFORTABLE. IT'S OFTEN FEELS, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE RIGHT NOW BEING UP HERE. I DON'T BECAUSE I WANT TO GET IT RIGHT. AND RIGHT NOW I FEEL LIKE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE COULD GROW. AND IF WE DON'T TAKE THE MESSAGE THAT WE LEARNED TODAY AND GROW AND LEARN, THEN WE HAVE MISSED THE WHOLE POINT OF CIVIC ENGAGEMENT. WE'VE MISSED A POINT OF WHAT OUR JOBS WILL. SO I ACT, DON'T, DON'T POP, PLEASE. I JUST ASK THE COMMUNITY. WE DECIDE TO TABLE IT. I'M GONNA BE ALL OVER IT, OKAY? I'M GONNA BE ALL OVER THIS. THANK YOU. WE DO NEED A POLICY THAT REQUIRES A POLICY CONVERSATION. COUNSEL IS GONNA DO A POLICY CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AND AROUND THIS SO THAT WAY WE CAN BE ON THE SAME PAGE. THAT IS ACCOUNTABILITY THAT WILL BE PUT OUT THERE. AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, WHEN WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING, WE SHOULD HAVE PUT THINGS IN PLACE. AND IF WE'RE NOT READY STAFF TO HAVE THE MEETING IN JULY, WE NEED TO HAVE AFFIRMED ACTIONS SO THAT WAY WE CAN GET READY. AND IF WE NEED TO GET MORE INFORMATION, STAFF, LET'S GET THE INFORMATION WE NEED. WE CANNOT MESS THIS UP. WE DIDN'T KNOW ALL THIS INFORMATION FROM THE PREVIOUS, UM, CITY MANAGER. WE DIDN'T KNOW ALL A LOT OF THIS STUFF. I, WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW. AND COUNCIL'S LEARNING TODAY. SO I HOPE THE NEW CITY MANAGER, JOHN, [04:00:01] WHO WAS NOT HERE WHEN ALL THIS STUFF WENT UP, WILL ACTUALLY TAKE THE REAL ACTIONS THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO BRING THIS COMMUNITY TOGETHER. BECAUSE WE ARE CHANDLER, WE ARE ONE CHANDLER, WE'RE NOT DIVIDED. WE ARE TOGETHER. SO LET'S WORK TOGETHER, COUNSEL, LET'S BRING OUR IDEALS TOGETHER, RIGOR, AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING THIS TOUGH CONVERSATION. AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR STICKING IT OUT. AND I APPRECIATE THIS ROBUST CONVERSATION 'CAUSE IT MEANS A LOT. SO I'M JUST ASKING YOU GUYS JOIN WITH US AS, AS WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. AND I PROMISE YOU WHEN WE DO IT THE CHANDLER WAY, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE HAPPY AND WE'RE GONNA BE HAPPY AND WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE AND WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE REAL CONVERSATION THAT'S GONNA HELP US GROW AS COMMUNITIES. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND THANK YOU FOR THIS ROBUST CONVERSATION. COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, NOTHING FROM THE CITY MANAGER, MAYOR. ALL RIGHT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR MEETING. THANK YOU ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.