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EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CHANDLER CITY COUNCIL, DECEMBER 11TH.UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
THIS IS DEMOCRACY IN ACTION, AND WE'RE GLAD THAT WHETHER YOU ARE SO, NEXT IS I AM GOING TO ASK THAT NO, LET'S, WHEN SPEAKERS COME UP OR OTHERS, LET'S REFRAIN FROM AUDIENCE MEMBERS AND, UH, REACTING, UH, NO LARGE SIGNS, UH, AT THOSE TIMES.
AND LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE AND YOU ARE ABLE TO HEAR PEOPLE ACCORDINGLY.
AND WE ARE RESPECTING PEOPLE WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THEIR POSITION OR NOT.
SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
CLERK, PLEASE, UH, UH, TAKE THE ROLE.
MAYOR HARTKE HERE, VICE MAYOR ELLIS.
OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TONIGHT.
OUR INVOCATION IS GOING TO BE BROUGHT BY A FRIEND OF THE CITY'S PASTOR, JIMMY THOMAS FROM THE INTERNATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF GOD IN CHANDLER, AND OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY, BY VICE MAYOR CHRISTINE ELLIS.
PASTOR GREETINGS TO YOU, HONORABLE MAYOR KEVIN HOTKEY, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ALL THOSE WHO ARE GATHERED HERE IN THE MATCHLESS NAME OF ALL, LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.
LORD, WE PRAY CHANDLER GROWS IN STRENGTH, ENDURANCE, AND HAVE THE ECONOMIC GROWTH, PROSPERITY, AND PEACE FOR ITS CITIZENS.
I THANK AND PRAISE GOD FOR THE VISION AND COMMITMENT THAT HE GIVES TO THE LEADERS.
I THANK AND PRAISE GOD FOR THE HONORABLE MAYOR AND ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS THEY SEEK DIVINE WISDOM.
LORD, WE COME TO YOUR THRONE OF GRACE AND MERCY AS THIS IS A SEASON REMINDING US OF THE MIRACULOUS BIRTH OF OUR LORD.
MAY WE ALL SEE THE MIRACULOUS OF LIFE EVERY DAY, JUST AS THE WISE MAN CAME SEEKING FOR WISDOM, SEEKING TO HAVE AN ENCOUNTER WITH THE LORD IN THE SAME WAY I THANK AND PRAISE GOD FOR OUR LEADERS, OUR ABLE LEADERS WHO COME TO YOUR THRONE OF GRACE AND MERCY.
WE PRAY, LORD, THAT EVERY DECISION THAT'S TAKEN, EVERY PLANS THAT'S MADE ARE ANOINTED BY YOUR HOLY SPIRIT.
WE PRAY THAT YOU CONTINUE TO DIRECT YOUR ESTEEM LEADERS TO MAKE THIS CITY A CITY OF HOPE AND LIGHT.
PSALMS 25, DAVID SAYS LIKE THIS, SHOW ME YOUR WAYS.
WE PRAY TO SHOW US GOD, TEACH US LORD LEAD US HOLY SPIRIT.
WE ASK OF YOU TO GIVE US KNOWLEDGE, UNDERSTANDING WISDOM TO SERVE YOUR PEOPLE.
MASTER OUR HELPER, PROTECTOR, COUNSELOR, IN OUR LORD JESUS NAME WE ASK AND PRAY AND EVERYBODY SAYS AMEN.
PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO UNIFY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WISHES.
SAINT ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE HALL.
[1. Recognition: Digital Cities]
ONE, UH, SCHEDULED PUBLIC APPEARANCE.I'D LIKE TO INVITE COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO TO COME JOIN ME UP FRONT.
NO PROCLAMATION COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ALWAYS AFRAID.
I'M GONNA GIVE THEM A PROCLAMATION WITH 10 SYLLABLE WORDS TO READ MY GLASSES.
TONIGHT WE DO HAVE A RECOGNITION.
UM, THIS IS THE DIGITAL CITIES AWARD.
IF TEAM CHANDLER INVOLVED IN THE DIGITAL CITIES AWARD CAN COME ON UP, I AM EXCITED TO SHARE THAT THE CITY OF CHANDLER HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED AS A DIGITAL CITIES AWARD WINNER FOR OUR WORK IN TECHNOLOGY INNOVATION, DATA-DRIVEN OPERATIONS, AND PROVIDING INCLUSIVE TECH ENABLED SERVICE DELIVERY.
THIS RECOGNITION REFLECTS TEAM CHANDLER'S DEDICATION TO MAKING THE CITY OF CHANDLER A MORE CONNECTED, SECURE, AND INCLUSIVE PLACE TO LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY.
SO, WELCOME AND KIRSTEN, WHY DON'T YOU INTRODUCE YOUR TEAM AND THEN SHARE SOME THINGS ABOUT THIS.
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AND FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO, UM, INTRODUCE THE GROUP.WE HAVE OUR CIO WHO'S SANDEEP DEIA.
WE HAVE BRAD THOMAS, WHO'S OUR CSO.
WE HAVE, UH, MITCH ROBINSON, WHO'S A MEMBER OF OUR SECURITY TEAM.
WE HAVE BYRON SANCHEZ, WHO'S A MEMBER OF OUR SECURITY TEAM, MICHAEL PADILLA AS WELL.
WE HAVE KEN KUNG, WHO'S OUR COURTS ADMINISTRATOR.
MOLLY MAHA, WHO'S OUR CHIEF INFRASTRUCTURE OFFICER.
SHE, UH, SERVES AS AN IT MANAGER IN THE IT DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE CHRISTIE SMITH, WHO IS OUR MANAGEMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR.
JAYA, I'M NOT GONNA TRY YOUR LAST NAME.
AND THAT IS WHY, UH, JAYA IS DIGITAL SERVICES IN OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN WE HAVE DAVID DE LA TORI, WHO'S ALSO, I'M NOT SURE YOUR TITLE, BUT HE'S ALSO WITH OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE KEITH, AND KEITH IS WITH OUR AV AND, UH, SERVICE DESK.
WE HAVE ADRIAN ZAMORA, WHO IS ALSO, UM, WITH OUR SERVICE DESK, AND HE'S THE LEADER AND MANAGER OF OUR SERVICE DESK.
THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT WITH US TONIGHT.
UH, DIGITAL CITIES IS A NATIONAL, UM, CITY SURVEY AWARD THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS AT HOW CITIES PROVIDE AND DELIVER TECHNOLOGY AND CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT SERVICES THROUGH TECHNOLOGY FOR, UM, ALL OF YOU RESIDENTS HERE IN CHANDLER.
WE, UM, THE CITY OF CHANDLER PRIDES OURSELF ON PROVIDING THE BEST DIGITAL SERVICES THAT WE CAN.
WE LOOK, UM, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ADD VALUE, THEY ENRICH THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS NEED IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, THIS YEAR, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE WERE RECOGNIZED FOR ON THE EMERGING TECHNOLOGY FRONT INCLUDE USING DIGITAL TWINS, WHICH ARE COPIES, DIGITAL COPIES OF THE CITY TO, UM, LAY OUT THE PLANS.
AND OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT DID THIS NOT ONLY WITH OUR DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT ALSO OUR WORKING THROUGH OUR GENERAL PLAN, OUR MANAGEMENT SERVICES AND HR TEAMS ALONG WITH IT, UH, HAVE BEEN REALLY WORKING HARD TO DO AN ENTIRE CULTURE CHANGE FOR A NEW ENTERPRISE PLANNING RESOURCE, UM, SYSTEM THAT WILL END UP BEING ABLE TO SAVE, UH, A LOT OF MONEY AND TIME IN THE FUTURE.
WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT MAKING SURE, UH, PRIVACY AND DATA, UM, IS OUR PARAMOUNT.
SO OUR CYBER TEAM HAS BEEN PUTTING A LOT OF WORK IN BEHIND THE SCENES AND WE HAVE A LOT OF REALLY COOL THINGS COMING UP, UM, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND WE CAN'T WAIT TO DELIVER THEM, UH, TO YOU THE PUBLIC.
I'LL LET YOU TRY TO ORGANIZE US.
ALL RIGHT, I'M A BACK ROW GUY RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.
[ Consent Agenda Items listed on the Consent Agenda may be enacted by one motion and one vote. If a discussion is required by members of the governing body, the item will be removed from the Consent Agenda for discussion and determination will be made if the item will be considered separately. Proposed Motion: Move to approve the Consent Agenda of the December 11, 2025, Regular Meeting, Items 1 - 35.]
IS THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT WE DO HAVE,[9. Resolution No. 5964, Introduction and Tentative Adoption of Ordinance No. 5144, Area Plan Amendment, Rezoning, Preliminary Development Plan, and Preliminary Plat, PLH25-0016 / PLH25-0017 / PLT25-0006 Havenwood Manor, Located South of the Southwest Corner of Ocotillo Road and Basha Road Area Plan Amendment Move City Council pass and adopt Resolution No. 5964 Ocotillo Master Plan Amendment from Existing Basha's Facility to Single-Family uses, approving PLH25-0017 Havenwood Manor as recommended by Planning and Zoning Commission. Rezoning Move City Council introduce and tentatively adopt Ordinance No. 5144 approving PLH25-0016 Havenwood Manor, Rezoning from AG-1 to PAD for single-family residential, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning and Zoning Commission. Preliminary Development Plan Move City Council approve Preliminary Development Plan PLH25-0016 Havenwood Manor for subdivision layout for 107 homes and housing product, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning and Zoning Commission. Preliminary Plat Move City Council approve Preliminary Plat PLT25-0006 Havenwood Manor, subject to the condition recommended by Planning and Zoning Commission. Council Focus Area(s):]
UH, A READER CARD AND COMMENT CARD AND, UH, A COUPLE SPEAKER CARDS ON NUMBER NINE AND NUMBER 10.UH, I'M GONNA GIVE, I'M GONNA READ THE, THE COMMENT CARD ON NUMBER NINE, AND THEN WE WILL BRING UP, UM, MEGAN CRAIGHEAD, FOLLOWED BY, UH, MONIQUE FULLER.
AND WE'LL GIVE FOR THIS LARGER ISSUE WHERE I'M GONNA, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT.
WE'LL GIVE YOU GUYS EACH THREE MINUTES.
THE TWO THAT ARE SPEAKING FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS COMES LATER, I'M GOING TO CURTAIL THAT.
BUT THE READER CARD SAYS THIS REGARDING THE HAVEN WOOD MANNER DEVELOPMENT, I WOULD
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ASK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDER TRAFFIC MITIGATION MEASURES ON BASHA ROAD, UM, UH, AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT BASHO WATER TOWER BE PRESERVED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.AND THAT IS FROM JOHN VER, WHO LIVES IN CHANDLER.
ALRIGHT, MEGAN CRAIGHEAD, PLEASE COME ON UP AND, UH, YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES.
STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE THE CITY YOU'RE YOU LIVE IN.
THAT WILL BE GREEN WHEN IT TURNS YELLOW.
PLEASE WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS WHEN IT'S RED.
MY NAME IS MEGAN CRAIGHEAD AND I LIVE IN THE OKAT AREA OF CHANDLER, UH, IN THE OLDER FARM PART, IT WOULD BE RIGHT ACROSS FROM WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING IN.
BEFORE I BEGIN MY SPIEL, LAST MONTH AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS REQUESTED.
DO YOU GUYS KNOW IF THAT WAS DONE OR NOT? UM, CITY ATTORNEY, WAS THAT WHAT WAS PRESENTED ON, OR THE, IS THIS ON ITEM NUMBER NINE? YES.
UH, A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS NOT DONE.
SO WE'VE HAD NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS ABOUT THIS.
WE HAD THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING ABOUT THIS WHERE RESIDENTS WERE GETTING UP TO DISCUSS THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
UH, AS MENTIONED ON THE, ON THE COMMENT CARD, WE HAVE WORRIES ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THIS WILL BRING TO BASHA ROAD.
AS, UM, MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW OR MAY NOT KNOW, THAT USED TO BE ALMA SCHOOL ROAD, ALMA SCHOOL GOT MOVED AND A NEW ALMA SCHOOL ROAD WAS BUILT BECAUSE THIS ROAD COULD NOT HANDLE THAT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
UM, THE CANAL THAT IS NOW A HISTORIC, UM, DESIGNATION AND THE PALM TREES MAKE TURNING OFF OF THAT PROPERTY ONTO BASHA ROAD, VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE.
SO THAT PROVIDES A SAFETY CONCERN FOR, UM, ONCOMING TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIANS THAT USE THAT ROAD TO GET TO THE PARK THAT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
WE'VE BROUGHT THIS UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THAT IS OF NO CONCERN TO THE BUILDERS.
UH, BESIDE THAT, IN OCTOBER, THE CITY OF CHANDLER, UH, HAD AN IMMERSIVE EXPERIENCE FOR THE RESIDENTS TO COME AND SEE WHAT THE FUTURE OF CHANDLER COULD LOOK LIKE AND WHAT, UM, THE HOUSING AND THE BUSINESSES, UM, COULD LOOK LIKE FOR US IN THE FUTURE.
AND WHAT I THINK THE CITY OF CHANDLER HOPES THEY LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE, THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT IS COMING IS NOT THAT AT ALL.
IT IS A CONTINUATION OF THE STATUS QUO OF JUST MORE AND MORE STUCCO HOUSES THAT ARE REALLY HIGH PRICED FOR WHAT THEY ARE.
IT DOES NOT FIT IN WITH THE IDEALS THAT WERE JUST SHOWN TO US AS RESIDENTS.
I THINK THAT THIS IS A MISTAKE TO PUT THESE HOUSES THERE THE WAY THAT THEY ARE.
I THINK IT'S NOT PROVIDING ANYTHING TO THE CITY.
I THINK IT IS NOT CREATING A COMMUNITY THAT WE AS A CITY NEED TO FOCUS ON NOW.
NEXT WE HAVE, UM, LET FULLER COUNCIL MEMBER, ORLANDO MAYOR, UM, TO CITY STAFF COME FORWARD AND SHOW THOSE, UM, NUMBERS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY ON THE, HANG ON, MONIQUE.
SO THERE WAS THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT WE WERE 8% OF THE CAPACITY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? YEAH, WHATEVER THAT, THAT CHART WAS.
HANG ON MONIQUE, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT FIRST.
SO THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, I BELIEVE YOUR QUESTION IS THE CAPACITY OF VASHER ROAD.
SO CURRENTLY, UM, OUR LAST TRAFFIC COUNTS WERE DONE LAST YEAR ON BASHER ROAD, AND CURRENTLY IT IS UTILIZED AT 23.5% OF ITS CAPACITY.
AND THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT IS EXPECTED TO ADD ANOTHER LESS THAN 2%.
THIS LOOKS DIFFERENT FROM THE SLIDE SAW THE OTHER NIGHT.
THE UPDATED NUMBERS COME FROM THE STUDY THAT WAS, UH, DELIVERED, UH, IS DATED ON NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS FROM MAY.
THIS ONE INCLUDES THE VOLUMES FOR BOTH THE WAREHOUSE, THAT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE AND THE OFFICE, THE PREVIOUS VERSION DID NOT INCLUDE THE OFFICE NUMBERS.
AND WE DID TALK ABOUT MONITORING
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THIS ONCE THE DEVELOPMENT OCCURRED TO DO ANY TRAFFIC MITIGATION PLANS.WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION ON THAT AS WELL.
SO, SO WE, WE'LL KEEP OUR EYE ON THIS AS, AS NEW DEVELOPMENTS GO IN, WE, WE KEEP OUR EYE ON WHAT THAT DOES TO THE SURROUNDING ROADWAY NETWORK.
OH, PLEASE, DID YOU MENTION THE CAPACITY? HOW MUCH IS MORE CAPACITY WE HAVE FOR THAT ROAD? YEAH, SO, SO WE HAVE ABOUT, UH, 74% CAPACITY IS, IS WHAT'S STILL AVAILABLE.
UH, YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES WHEN THE LIGHT TURNS YELLOW, PLEASE START WRAPPING UP.
UH, MY NAME IS MONIQUE FULMER AND I ALSO LIVE IN THE OLD OKAT PART ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
AND I DEBATED COMING TONIGHT BECAUSE I'M CERTAIN THAT THIS WILL BE APPROVED.
UH, BUT I NEEDED YOU TO KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS.
AND I'VE BEEN TO SEVERAL OTHER MEETINGS ABOUT THIS, AND I TRY NOT TO TAKE THIS PERSONALLY BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT PERSONAL.
UM, BUT ALSO I GREW UP IN CHANDLER.
I HAVE LIVED IN THIS AREA OFF AND ON THROUGHOUT MY ENTIRE LIFE, AND I'M VERY PROUD OF CHANDLER.
I LOVE WHAT CHANDLER HAS BECOME.
DURING MY TIME IN CHANDLER, I HAVE ALWAYS HEARD WE NEED TO HONOR CHANDLER'S AGRICULTURAL ROOTS BECAUSE WE HAVE VERY STRONG AGRICULTURAL ROOTS.
AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, SNEER PARK IS BUILT WHERE MY FAMILY'S FEEDLOTS USED TO BE AND OUR COTTON GIN.
AND, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS HOUSING DEVELOPMENT DOES HONOR CHANDLER'S AGRICULTURAL ROOTS.
UM, THE, THE BUILDER HAS AGREED TO PLACE A PLAQUE HONORING EDDIE BASHA AND HIS, UH, CONTRIBUTION TO CHANDLER, WHICH I KNOW IS AMAZING.
AND I KNOW THAT I AM NOT QUALIFIED AT ALL TO SPEAK FOR EDDIE BCIA, BUT I DO HAVE SOME THINGS THAT I KNOW ABOUT EDDIE.
HAVING GROWN UP IN CHANDLER, MY DAD WAS ACTUALLY GREW UP ACROSS THE STREET FROM MR. BCIA, AND MY MOM SERVED WITH HIM ON THE CHANDLER SCHOOL BOARD FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, SORRY IF I AM GETTING EMOTIONAL.
UM, WHEN MY AUNT KATHY PASSED AWAY AS A YOUNG MOM, EDDIE BCIA CATERED HER FUNERAL AND REFUSED TO ALLOW MY GRANDPARENTS TO PAY HIM FOR THAT.
UM, DURING SOME DIFFICULT ECONOMIC TIMES, EDDIE BASHA HELPED MY FAMILY PERSONALLY, UM, BY ALLOWING US TO USE HIS GROCERY STORE.
AND SO I HAVE VERY FOND MEMORIES OF EDDIE BCIA.
UM, NOT ONLY PERSONALLY, BUT IN THE THINGS THAT HE DID FOR OUR CITY AND OUR STATE.
I SAW HIM BUILD GROCERY STORES ON THE RESERVATION AND IN SMALL TOWNS THROUGHOUT ARIZONA WHERE HE KNEW THAT WAS NOT GONNA MAKE THE BIGGEST PROFIT, BUT HE DID IT BECAUSE THAT'S THE KIND OF MAN HE WAS SO MUCH SO THAT WHEN HE RAN FOR GOVERNOR, MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN ARIZONA'S CHANGED THEIR, UH, REGISTRATION SO THAT THEY COULD VOTE FOR MR. BACHA.
UM, I THINK THAT ADDING A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH $800,000 HOMES DOES NOT HONOR THE AGRICULTURAL HISTORY OF CHANDLER OR THE LEGACY OF EDDIE BACHA.
I'M GONNA ASK THE AUDIENCE TO PLEASE REFRAIN FROM OUTBURSTS SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE THIS MEETING.
COUNCIL, I'VE GOT ONE MORE SPEAKER CARD ON ITEM.
NO, I, I GUESS IS, IS A SPEAKER CARD.
UM, MR. CRAIG MILLS, DID YOU WANT
[10. Entertainment Use Permit, PLH25-0027 Morning Glory Brunchery, 70 E Riggs Road, Generally Located at the Northeast Corner of Arizona Avenue and Riggs Road Move City Council approve Entertainment Use Permit, PLH25-0027 Morning Glory Brunchery, to allow for outdoor speakers within an outdoor patio, subject to the conditions recommended by Planning and Zoning Commission. Council Focus Area(s):]
TO SAY ANYTHING ON ITEM NUMBER 10 OR IT'S ON CONSENT WITHOUT COMMENT, SO, OKAY.UH, I ASKED A QUESTION THE OTHER NIGHT AT THE APPLICANT OF A TIMEFRAME OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, I LIKE TO, FOR THE RECORD, HAVE THE PPLICANT COME UP HERE AND TELL US WHAT THE TIME FRAMING IS AND, AND AS TO THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT AREA, AS YOU KNOW, UM, WE'VE HAD A, OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE'VE HAD A HISTORY OF PLANNING APPROVING, AND THEN WE WAIT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN, AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN TO THESE NEIGHBORS.
SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR US TONIGHT? YEAH, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.
BRENNAN RAY 2325 EAST CAMEL BACK HERE ON BEHALF OF KHUB MANIAN HOMES.
WITH RESPECT TO THE QUESTION, UH, IF THEY COULD BUILD IT YESTERDAY, THEY WOULD, THEY'RE
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UNDER ESCROW, THEY'RE UNDER CONTRACT TO ACQUIRE IT.ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THEIR CLOSING IS THAT THEY ACQUIRE BUILDING PERMITS.
SO IF THERE IS A WAY IN WHICH THOSE BUILDING PERMITS CAN BE EXPEDITED, UM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, UP TO THIS POINT, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NOT HAD AN OFFICIAL DECISION OR DETERMINATION ON THE ZONING, THEY HAVE GONE AT RISK ON PREPARING, UM, BUILDING PLANS, UH, CIVIL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, ALL OF THAT, ALL TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $750,000 HAS BEEN SPENT TYING UP THE LAND, PAYING THE CONSULTANTS, UH, GETTING IT UP TO THIS POINT, AND THEY HOPE TO CONTINUE DOING IT.
PRESUMING, UH, IN THE EVENT THIS COUNCIL CHOOSES TO APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, I KNOW THERE IS A SUBSEQUENT SECOND HEARING THAT WILL TAKE PLACE, BUT THEIR HOPE WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD CLOSE ON THE LAND AND THAT DIRT WOULD START TO MOVE, UH, AS EARLY AS JULY.
UM, AND THEN FROM THERE THEY WOULD FOLLOW THE NORMAL CONSTRUCTION PROCESS OF, UM, VERTICAL, UH, EXCUSE ME, HORIZONTAL IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN START WITH THE VERTICAL IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S DEMOLITION THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR ON THE SITE AS WELL, BUT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THAT WILL, UM, HOPEFULLY, UH, TAKE PLACE RATHER QUICKLY, UH, ONCE THEY DO SECURE THAT BUILDING PERMIT AND ARE ABLE TO CLOSE ON THE LAND.
I APPRECIATE IT'S A MUCH BETTER ANSWER THAN I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT YOU FORGOT TO ADD YOUR FEES INTO THAT COST.
I'M SURE IT'S A LOT MORE THAN THAT.
RIGHT? MAYOR, MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, I ASKED YOU THAT QUESTION ON MONDAY WHEN IT COMES TO THE HISTORICAL VALUE OF THAT LAND, AND THERE IS, THERE WAS A LETTER RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME FROM THE BASHER FAMILY, SPEAKING OF THE FACT THAT THEY FELT THAT, UM, MR. EDDIE HAD REALLY BEEN WELL REPRESENTED AND WELL ACKNOWLEDGED IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND THROUGHOUT CHANDLER, AND THAT THEY WERE FOR THIS.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THOSE WHO ARE HERE WHO WERE NOT THERE ON MONDAY NIGHT, PLEASE? YEAH, THROUGH THE MAYOR, VICE MAYOR ELLIS, UM, DAVID BACHA ON BEHALF OF THE BACHA FAMILY, WHICH IS ONE OF EDDIE'S SONS, UM, UM, PREPARED A LETTER AND ASKED THAT I SUBMITTED TO THE COUNCIL, WHICH I DID.
IN THE COURSE OF THAT LETTER, THEY RECOGNIZED THE LONGTIME PARTNERSHIP THAT THE CITY OF CHANDLER HAS HAD WITH THE BACHA FAMILY, UM, INCLUDING EDDIE'S INVOLVEMENT, AS WAS MENTIONED ON THE SCHOOL BOARD, UH, WITH, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOGLE FAMILY.
AND SO HE IS ONE THAT IS CERTAINLY VERY PROUD OF THE COMMUNITY AND OF EVERYTHING, BUT AS THE BACHA FAMILY LOOKS AT IT, UM, EDDIE HAS BEEN HONORED IN LOTS OF WAYS, INCLUDING HAVING A SCHOOL NAMED AFTER HIM.
TWO SCHOOLS, BACHA HIGH SCHOOL, BACHA ELEMENTARY, THERE IS BACHA ROAD AS WELL THAT IS NAMED AFTER THEM.
AND WHILE EDDIE, UM, DID A LOT FOR PEOPLE, HE DID NOT EXPECT A LOT IN RETURN, NOR DID HE LIKE THAT LIMELIGHT THRUSTED ON HIM.
THERE ARE COUNTLESS STORIES ABOUT EDDIE, UM, CONTRIBUTING, MAKING SILENT CONTRIBUTIONS TO HELP FAMILIES IN NEED AND ALL OF THAT, UM, BECAUSE HE FELT IT WAS HIS, UM, PROBABLY GOD, UH, GOD GIVEN RIGHT AND RESPONSIBILITY WITH ALL THAT HE HAD BLESSED WITH TO BE ABLE TO RETURN THAT FROM OTHERS.
AND HE DID NOT SEEK THE LIMELIGHT.
AND SO THE ESSENCE OF THAT LETTER, IT SAYS, UH, EFFECTIVELY THAT WE ARE APPRECIATIVE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH CHANDLER HAS HONORED THE BAS OF FAMILY.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, UM, THEY FEEL THAT THEY HAVE BEEN WELL REPRESENTED AND THAT ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT MOVING FORWARD.
THEY LIKEWISE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE MONUMENT SIGNAGE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THAT, UH, REFLECTS THE DESIGN OF IT DOES REFLECT WHAT WE USED TO SEE ON THE OLD BCIA STORES WITH THE CORRUGATED, WHAT I CALL CORRUGATED CONCRETE AT THE TOP AND THE RED LETTERING IN IT.
SO THERE STILL IS CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TRIBUTE THAT IS PAID TO THE BASHER FAMILY THROUGH SOME OF THE DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT WE HAVE OUT IT WITHOUT SPECIFICALLY CALLING ATTENTION TO IT, WHICH IS KIND OF HOW EDDIE WAS.
I BELIEVE YOU WERE, HAD PERSONAL TESTIMONY TO THAT YOURSELF, DIDN'T YOU? FROM WHAT I RECALL, YES, MAYOR.
COUNCIL, THERE IS ONE MORE CARD, UM, UH, OPPOSING ITEM NUMBER 29,
[29. Purchase of Small Water Meter Replacement and Field Verification Services Move City Council approve Agreement No. PW5-4640-4871, Amendment No. 1, with D&B Construction Group, LLC, and Metering Services, Inc., for small water meter replacement and field verification services, in a combined amount not to exceed $1,500,000, for the term of January 1, 2026, through December 31, 2026. Council Focus Area(s):]
THE SMALL METER REPLACEMENT.AND, UH, LARISSA GRUBA, IF YOU COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS.
THE LIGHT TURNS YELLOW, PLEASE WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS.
I LIVE IN CHANDLER, AND I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE SINCE 2000.
AND MY FAMILY GOES BACK HERE, BEING HERE IN THE 18 HUNDREDS.
I AM WRITING TONIGHT BECAUSE I OPPOSE THE ISSUES BEFORE YOU.
THE PROBLEM WITH THE NEW METER SYSTEM AND THE PROPOSED DATA CENTER AT PRICE
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AND DOBSON ROAD, THESE WILL HAVE REAL AND LASTING CONSEQUENCES FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.THESE ARE NOT ABSTRACT POLICY DEBATES, AND THEY AFFECT OUR WATER, OUR BILLS, OUR JOBS, AND THE FUTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
STARTING WITH THE WATER METERS, PEOPLE ACROSS CHANDLER HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE CONCERNED.
WE'RE SEEING THE SAME API SYSTEM SPARK LAWSUITS IN GILBERT AND SIMILAR LAWSUITS HAVE, UH, SURFACED IN OTHER STATES DUE TO INACCURATE READINGS, UNEXPLAINED SPIKES AND FAILURES THAT LEAVE FAMILIES FIGHTING FOR OVERAGES THAT NEVER SHOULD, THAT THEY NEVER SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED.
AND THE DESERT WATER IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN AFFORD TO GET WRONG.
EVERY FAULTY METER READING BECOMES A FINANCIAL BURDEN ON RESIDENTS, NOT THE COMPANIES THAT PUSH THESE SYSTEMS INTO OUR TOWNS.
BEFORE CHANDLER CONTINUES DOWN THIS ROAD, WE NEED COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY AND INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION THAT THESE METERS ACTUALLY WORK AND THAT THE TAXPAYERS WON'T BE STUCK COVERING ANY COSTS WHEN THEY DON'T.
THEN I MOVE ON TO THE PROPOSED DATA CENTER.
MA'AM, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS IS SPECIFICALLY THIS ONE ITEM FOR ITEM NUMBER, UM, UH, 29 THAT'S UNDER A DIFFERENT ITEM.
UM, CITY MANAGER, I, I KNOW OUR WATER SYSTEMS ARE DIFFERENT THAN GILBERT.
DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING RELATED TO THAT? MAYOR COUNCIL? UH, WE HAVE GONE, WE HAVE BEEN USING THESE SAME METERS, I BELIEVE I HAVE PEOPLE IN THE CAR THAT KNOW THE EXACT TIME, BUT I THINK THE LAST 15 YEARS.
SO WE HAVE UNDERTAKEN QUITE A BIT OF REVIEW OF THOSE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING ACCURATE WATER BILLS TO OUR CITIZENS.
WE ALSO DO INDEPENDENT TESTING AND WE ALSO STAND ON TOP OF ANY ANOMALIES WHEN WE START TO SEE A, A READING GO UP SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE PROVIDING CUSTOMER SERVICE AT A LEVEL THAT MAKES SURE WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IN OTHER COMMUNITIES DOESN'T HAPPEN IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO WHILE WE APPRECIATE THE CONCERN AND WE HOPE THE CITIZENS ALWAYS HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE WORK THAT WE DO, WE ARE TAKING GREAT STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE CITY OF CHANDLER, THEIR WATER BILLS ARE ACCURATE AND THE SERVICE WE PROVIDE IS CONSISTENT.
UM, COUNSEL, THAT'S ALL OF THE, UH, CARDS RELATED TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I KNOW THAT THERE IS, UM, ONE ADDENDUM, I, I THINK A STEP BEING ADDED TO ONE ITEM.
SO I'M GONNA ASK COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION ADDING THAT ONE STEP.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONE THROUGH, UH, 36 WITH THE ADDED STIP FOR ITEM NUMBER NINE, THAT THE FOLLOWING, THE FOLLOWING LANGUAGE ADDED TO THE CONDITION NUMBER SEVEN OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 51 44.
DEVELOPER SHALL PROVIDE A WRITTEN DISCLOSURE STATEMENT FOR THE SIGNATURE OF EACH BUYER, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE SUBDIVISION IS LOCATED ADJACENT OR NEAR THE EXISTING CENTER OR SPORTS COMPLEX AND DOG PARK, WHICH MAY CAUSE ADVERSE NOISE IN ORDER IMPACTS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO LAWNMOWERS AND OTHER LANDSCAPING EQUIPMENT, TRACTORS OR OTHER HEAVY EQUIPMENT BARKING IN ORDERS FROM DOG PARK USAGE, SPORTS FIELD LIGHTING, AND OTHER EX EXTERNAL, EXTERNAL, EXTERNAL CONSISTENT EXTERNALITIES THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESENCE OF A PUBLIC PARK SPORTS COMPLEX IN A DOG PARK.
ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, SECOND MAYOR, SECOND BY VICE MAYOR.
ANY RECUSALS OR OTHER ITEMS BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS COUNCIL? NO EXPLANATIONS.
ALRIGHT, COUNSEL, PLEASE VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[ Public Hearing]
IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANNEXATION OF ANX 25 DASH ZERO THREE OF APPROXIMATELY 11.24 ACRES, EAST OF THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF WILLIS ROAD AND MCQUEEN ROAD.SO I'D LIKE TO OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING, HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION NOW BY TAYLOR MENAND, OUR CITY PLANNER.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL BEFORE YOU.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED EAST OF THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF WILLIS AND MCQUEEN ROADS.
THE SURROUNDING LAND USES ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH, AND THEN WILLIS ROAD TO THE SOUTH WAS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEN TO THE EAST IS THE CITY OF CHANDLER WATER TREATMENT FACILITY.
AND TO THE WEST IS RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND CHURCH PROPERTY.
TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND, THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 11.24 ACRES AND INCLUDES THREE PARCELS
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LOCATED IN MARICOPA COUNTY.THE CURRENT ZONING IS RU 43 WITHIN THE COUNTY, AND UPON, UH, ANNEXATION, THE INITIAL CITY ZONING WILL BE AG ONE.
THERE IS CURRENTLY A REZONE AND PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION IN PROCESS, UM, AND WILL BE FORTHCOMING TO CITY COUNCIL FOR A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION WITH 57 HOMES.
THE DEVELOPER IS RICHMOND AMERICAN HOMES AND THE HOMES WILL BE FOR SALE.
THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION IS NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE CITY OF CHANDLER WILL PROVIDE WATER AND WASTE WATER TO THE PROPERTY STAFF HAS CIRCULATED THE REQUEST TO CITY DEPARTMENTS AND NO NEGATIVE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS ANNEXATION AT THE CORNER OF, UH, WILLIS AND MCQUEEN? SEEING NONE, ANY QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION FROM THE AUDIENCE? SEEING NONE.
I'D LIKE TO CLOSE OUR PUBLIC HEARING NEXT ON OUR AGENDA
[11. Action Agenda]
IS THE, UM, ACTION ITEM.AND IF YOU HAVE SPACES NEXT TO YOU THAT SOMEONE COULD SIT, WOULD YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND? WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE BACK THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SIT DOWN, WE'VE GOT SOME SPACING FOR YOU.
ALL RIGHT, HANG ON THERE DAVID.
I'M GONNA SOME COMMENTS HERE FIRST.
SO BEFORE WE UH, MOVE INTO THIS NEXT ITEM, I DO WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND RECOGNIZE THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE AND THOSE WHO HAVE, UM, TAKEN TIME TO WANNA SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH US HERE TONIGHT.
WE'VE RECEIVED HUNDREDS OF MESSAGES AND HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO MANY OF YOU.
THE INPUT FROM RESIDENTS IS INVALUABLE ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL AND TALKING WITH YOU DOES HELP US MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS.
IT'S CLEAR THAT EVERYBODY HERE CARES FOR THE FUTURE OF CHANDLER, AND YOU WANT TO SEE OUR COMMUNITY CONTINUE TO THRIVE.
SO WE'RE GONNA BEGIN THIS DISCUSSION THIS EVENING BY FIRST, UH, STAFF PRESENTATIONS, ZONING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THEN A PRESENTATION, UH, FROM THE APPLICANT AND OTHER, UH, RELATED AND, AND COUNSEL, UH, IS FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF ANY OF THOSE IN THIS POINT.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP FROM TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND AS WE MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, COUPLE THOUGHTS, COUPLE ACTIONS.
I ENCOURAGE EACH OF US HERE TO, UH, RESPECT CHANDLER.
WE'RE ALL PART OF CHANDLER, AND SO LET YOUR COMMENTS, YOUR RESPONSES, BE RESPECTFUL AND THOUGHTFUL.
THESE ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS, NOT YOUR ENEMIES OR ANYTHING ELSE NEXT TO YOU OR AROUND YOU.
UH, THE KIND OF INVOLVEMENT THAT WE ARE SEEING TONIGHT IS EXACTLY WHAT STRENGTHENS OUR CITY.
AND I DO APPRECIATE EVERYONE BEING HERE AND SHARING YOUR TIME.
UH, WE'RE GONNA GIVE EVERYONE, I'VE GOT AN UNKNOWN QUANTITY OF
AND THEN SPEAKER CARDS, UH, RELATED.
AND, UH, WE WILL GIVE EVERYONE AT THAT POINT, UH, TWO MINUTES TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS.
UP TO, MANY OF YOU ARE GONNA BE SAYING THE SAME THINGS AS OTHER PEOPLE YOU, WHETHER IT'S A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE SEEN, THERE'S CONCERNS AROUND POWER, CONCERNS AROUND WATER, CONCERNS ABOUT ENVIRONMENT, CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, JUST LAND USE, NOISE, UH, UH, QUALITY, PROPERTY QUALITY.
SO FEEL FREE TO ALSO SAY, UH, THIS IS WHO I AM AND I AM FOR THIS PROJECT.
I AGREE WITH THE SPEAKERS WHO ARE FOR IT.
I AGREE WITH THE SPEAKERS WHO ARE AGAINST IT.
I ALSO, AGAIN, I WOULD, UH, IN ORDER TO RESPECT THE SPEAKERS, UH, YOU ARE SPEAKING TO US, NOT TO THE AUDIENCE.
YOU WANT US TO HEAR YOUR VOICE AND UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION.
UH, EVERYONE ELSE IS HERE TO DO THE SAME IF THEY SO CARE TO SPEAK.
SO SPEAK TO US, NOT THE AUDIENCE, NOT THE CAMERAS.
AND UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE'LL GIVE EVERYONE UP TO TWO MINUTES TIME.
SO WITH THAT, LET'S GET INTO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE TREATING ITEM NUMBER 37 AND ITEM NUMBER 38 AS THE SAME ITEM IN THE SENSE THAT IF 37 DOESN'T PASS, THEN 38 HAS NO REASON OR VICE VERSA.
SO THEY'RE GONNA COME CONTIGUOUSLY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO, UM, BRING THESE IN AS SPEAKERS OF THE SAME
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AND ALLOW YOU TO TALK AND, AND COUNSEL.IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, I BELIEVE, IN DISCUSSING WITH THE ATTORNEY TO EVEN MAKE A MOTION TO, TO WHATEVER WE GET TO THE MOTIONS OF EITHER AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME TOO.
SO WITH THAT, UM, ITEM NUMBER 37, UH, INTRODUCTION AND TENTATIVE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 51 43 REZONING AND PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, PLH 24 DASH 0 4 6 PRICE ROAD INNOVATION CAMPUS LOCATED AT 33 80 SOUTH PRICE ROAD, SOUTHWEST CORNER OF PRICE AND DOBSON ROADS CONTINUED FROM THE MEETING OF NOVEMBER 13TH AND ITEM NUMBER 38, WHICH IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 59 57, AUTHORIZING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF CHANDLER AND BA PRICE OWNERS LLC FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTY, LOCATED AT 33 80 SOUTH PRICE ROAD INTO AN AI DATA CENTER AND TECH PARK.
AND, UH, DAVID DE TORI IS GOING TO BE TALKING ON THE FIRST ONE RELATED TO THE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE.
UM, MICAH MIRANDA OR AN EEC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND THEN AFTER THAT WE WILL AGAIN THEN INVITE THE APPLICANT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, PUBLIC WITH YOUR SPEAKER CARDS OR COMMENT CARDS, UH, AND THEN GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO WRAP THINGS UP AFTER SPEAKER CARDS.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION UP HERE.
AS THE MAYOR STATED, THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF DOBSON AND PRICE ROADS.
UM, THE, THIS IS ABOUT A 40 ACRE SITE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY OCCUPIED BY ORBITAL SCIENCES, WHICH WAS ACQUIRED BY NORTHROP GRUMMAN IN 2018.
IN 2019, THE SITE WAS VACATED AND HAS REMAINED UNOCCUPIED EVER SINCE.
THE REQUEST TO REZONE TO PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT IS TRIGGERED BY THE PROPOSAL TO BUILD A STANDALONE, UH, DATA CENTER AS A PRIMARY USE.
THAT IS WHAT'S TRIGGERING THIS REQUEST.
THE REZONING ALSO INCLUDES A REQUEST TO ESTABLISH A MID-RISE OVERLAY OVER THE ENTIRE SITE FOR BUILDING HEIGHTS UP TO 90 FEET IN HEIGHT, AS WELL AS TO IDENTIFY THE USES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IN FIVE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED ON THE SITE.
AND THOSE USES INCLUDE KNOWLEDGE INTENSIVE USES, ADVANCED BUSINESS SERVICES, AND ANCILLARY COMMERCIAL USES.
FINALLY, THE REQUEST INCLUDES PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, APPROVAL FOR SITE LAYOUT AND BUILDING ARCHITECTURE.
IN DECEMBER OF 2022, THE CITY ADOPTED A DATA CENTER ORDINANCE, WHICH, UH, CODIFIED ALONG, UH, DECADES LONG POLICY, WHICH SAID THAT DATA CENTERS ARE NOT ALLOWED AS A PRIMARY USE, ARE NOT PERMITTED ANYWHERE UNLESS THEY'RE EXPLICITLY APPROVED AS PART OF A PAD PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT ZONING.
AND AGAIN, THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS IN FACT A STANDALONE, UH, DATA CENTER, WHICH WOULD BE A PRIMARY USE, WHICH IS THE REASON FOR THE REZONING REQUEST.
THAT BRINGS US TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE, OR, OR PLANNED TO BE BUILT IN THREE PHASES.
PHASE ONE INCLUDES, UM, THE DATA CENTER, WHICH IS A 422,877 SQUARE FOOT DATA CENTER, UH, LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST COR CORNER OF THE OF THE SITE.
THE, UH, SUBSTATION IS PROPOSED SOUTH OF THE DATA CENTER AND ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE DATA CENTER ARE TEMPORARY OR, OR I SHOULD SAY, BACKUP, UH, GENERATORS, WHICH WOULD BE FACING, UM, THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST, WHICH IS THE CITY'S
ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE DATA CENTER IS A, UH, 50,000 SQUARE FOOT RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT FLEX OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD BE BUILT CONCURRENTLY WITH THE DATA CENTER IN PHASE ONE.
PHASE TWO CONSISTS OF, UH, TWO BUILDINGS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, BOTH AT FOUR THOUSAND FORTY TWO THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED SEVENTY FOUR SQUARE FEET.
BOTH OF THESE BUILDINGS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE, TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION BY JANUARY OF 2031 PER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT THE MAYOR MENTIONED, WHICH IS ALSO ON THE COUNCIL'S AGENDA TONIGHT.
AND THEN PHASE TWO, THREE, SORRY, PHASE THREE, PHASE THREE WOULD INCLUDE, UH, BUILDING C AND D, UM, ALSO RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT FLEX OFFICE BUILDINGS.
UM, JUST OVER, UH, 66,000 SQUARE FEET FOR BUILDING C AND, UH, JUST OVER 71,000 SQUARE
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FEET FOR BUILDING D, BUILDING C AND D PER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE CON TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION BY JANUARY OF 2032.UM, THE DATA CENTER IS THE ONLY TENANT IDENTIFIED AT THIS TIME, SO BUILDINGS B THROUGH F ARE ALL SPECULATIVE.
NO TENANTS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR THOSE BUILDINGS.
THE, UH, THERE IS A PROPOSED ZONING CONDITION THAT LIMITS THE DATA CENTER TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE, SO WHERE IT'S SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO THE DATA CENTER WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE SITE.
AND THEN THE MIDRISE, UH, OVERLAY WOULD, WOULD COVER THE ENTIRE SITE TO ALLOW A BUILDING HEIGHTS UP TO 90 FEET.
THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE FOR THE DATA CENTER CONSISTS OF TILT UP CONCRETE WITH GLAZING MASONRY AND METAL ACCENTS, AND THE PROPOSED HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, UH, THIS IS THE DATA CENTER THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS 75 FEET TO THE TOP OF THE PARAPET AND 85 FEET TO THE TOP OF THE MECHANICAL SCREENING.
THIS IS THE RENDERING OF BUILDING B LOCATED DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE PROPOSED DATA CENTER.
AND THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH ON PRICE ROAD.
YOU CAN SEE THE DATA CENTER BEHIND IT TO THE LEFT, AGAIN, THE BUILDING USES A TILT UP CONCRETE WITH GLAZING MASONRY AND METAL ACCENT MATERIALS.
AND THEN THIS IS WHAT, UH, RENDERING OF BUILDING E WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THIS IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, ALONG DOBSON ROAD, AGAIN USING THE SIMILAR MATERIALS.
UM, IN THE, THE BUILDING HEIGHT SHOWN HERE IS AROUND 45 FEET TO THE TOP OF PARAPET.
THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
THE APPLICANT HOSTED THREE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND, UH, A NUMBER OF ATTENDEES, UM, ATTENDED THOSE MEETINGS AND INQUIRED ABOUT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TOPICS.
AND I WILL LET THE APPLICANT ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE, UH, TOPICS WHEN HE GETS UP HERE.
UM, NOTIFICATION WAS PROVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH REQUIRES, UH, ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A HALF A MILE TO RECEIVE, UH, NOTIFICATION AND TO DATE.
AS OF A FEW HOURS AGO WHEN I UPDATED THIS PRESENTATION, WE STAFF HAS RECEIVED EIGHT EMAILS IN SUPPORT AND OVER 200 EMAILS IN OPPOSITION AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD IN OCTOBER.
STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL BASED ON INCONSISTENCY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
THE INTENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN POLICIES FOR SOUTH PRICE ROAD CORRIDOR IS TO RESERVE THAT CORRIDOR FOR HIGH WAGE, HIGH VALUE.
EMPLOYERS LIKE INTEL AND NORTHROP GRUMMAN PRICE ROAD HAS BEEN CHANDLER'S CROWN JEWEL AND, AND THE CITY OF CHANDLER HAS BEEN PLANNING FOR, UM, TO KEEP IT THAT WAY FOR DECADES THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN.
AND THIS, THE INTENT IS FOR THE CONS, THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATION OF HIGH TECH JOBS TO BE LOCATED ON THAT CORRIDOR.
A DATA CENTER, WHETHER IT'S A TRADITIONAL DATA CENTER OR AN AI DATA CENTER, WOULD CREATE LESS THAN HALF THE JOBS THAT A, UH, WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION USE WOULD CREATE.
AND SO STAFF FOUND THAT THE PROPOSED DATA CENTER WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES OF THE GENERAL PLAN.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN OCTOBER VOTED FIVE TO ONE IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSAL CITING ALIGNMENTS WITH THE CITY'S GOAL TO BE INNOVATIVE AND CUTTING EDGE.
THE RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL INCLUDED A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS FOR THE PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT ZONING AS WELL AS FOR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
NUMBER FIVE, UNDER THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN SECTION WAS TO REDESIGN PHASE PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE INTO A MORE CAMPUS LIKE, UH, ENVIRONMENT.
AND SO BUILDING C, D, E AND F WOULD BE IF, IF THIS IS APPROVED TONIGHT, THOSE BUILDINGS IN PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE WOULD BE REDESIGNED TO BE MORE CAMPUS LIKE.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS FRONTING SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS ONTO THE EXISTING LAKE THAT'S ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE, CREATING AN ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN PATH THAT LEADS FROM THE BUILDINGS TO THE LAKE.
AND THEN CREATING A, A MAIN BOULEVARD LIKE DRIVEWAY THROUGH THE SITE.
IF THIS IS APPROVED, THOSE REVISIONS WOULD BE REVIEWED BY STAFF AND THEN WOULD BE TAKEN BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THROUGH THEIR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THEIR REVIEW AND COMMENT.
WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO INVITE MIKE AND MIRANDA, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR TO, UM, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
LET ME SEE IF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. DE TORE? I, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, DAVE DEL TORE, UM, THANK YOU FOR A PRESENTATION.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE WITH THE OVERLAY? UM, THE LAST ONE, SAY AGAIN? THE VERY LAST ONE WITH THE, UH, THE, THE FIRST ONE? YEAH.
SO DOWN IN THE LOWER CORNER JUST SOUTH
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OF, OF A, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SUBSTATION THERE? THAT'S CORRECT.WELL, THOSE LINES BE ON THE GROUND, THAT'S CORRECT.
THE APPLICANT AS INDICATED, ALL POWER LINES LEADING TO THE SITE WILL BE UNDERGROUND.
AND HOW MUCH SPACE IS THAT TAKEN ROUGHLY? ACRE WISE? I DON'T HAVE THOSE DIMENSIONS WITH ME, BUT PERHAPS THE APPLICANT WOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
LOOKS LIKE A GOOD CHUNK, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.
I'LL RESERVE THE QUESTION ON THE, ON THE, UH, ELECTRICITY LATER.
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU DAVID, MIKE AND MIRANDA.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A, A FORMAL PRESENTATION.
UH, WORDS ON A POWERPOINT DON'T TEND TO POP AS MUCH AS DAVID'S PRESENTATION, SO I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS IT ESTABLISHES PERFORMANCE OBLIGATIONS FOR THE PROS, DATA CENTER AND ACCOMPANYING TECH PARK.
THE FOLLOWING ARE HIGH LEVEL SUMMARIES OF THE PERFORMANCE OBLIGATIONS AS INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BEFORE YOU.
SO THE FIRST SET OF REQUIREMENTS ARE AROUND WATER-BASED COOLING.
THE AI DATA CENTER MUST USE MECHANICAL OR CLOSED LOOP COOLING SYSTEMS ONLY.
WATER USE CANNOT EXCEED TIER ONE ALLOCATION.
THE SUSTAINABLE WATER USE AGREEMENT, NO WATER-BASED COOLING MAY BE USED AFTER THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY EXCEPT IN A CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM.
SECTION TWO WATER METER REMOVE AND CAP EXISTING WATER CONNECTIONS TO COOLING TOWERS DURING THE DECOMMISSIONING OF THE BUILDING.
AND AFTER DECOMMISSIONING ONLY ONE INCH WATER METERS WILL BE ABLE TO SERVE THE SITE.
SECTION 2.3, DEMOLITION AND CONSTRUCTION.
DEMOLITION OF EXISTING BUILDINGS MUST BEGIN WITHIN 90 DAYS OR FIVE DAYS AFTER D ENER.
D ENERGY D AFTER THE ENERGY'S TURNED OFF AT THE BUILDING, UM, DEMOLITION MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 18 MONTHS OF THE START, AND AS DAVID INDICATED, BEGIN TECH PARKS BUILDING E AND F BY JANUARY, 2031.
OTHERWISE INCUR A $200,000 PER YEAR DELAY IN PENALTIES AND FOR BUILDING C AND D, UH, JANUARY, 2032 OR OTHERWISE A $225,000 PER YEAR IN DELAY PENALTIES.
UM, AS THE COUNCIL MEMBER INQUIRED, DEVELOPER MUST UNDERGROUND ALL ELECTRIC LINES SERVING THE SITE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY WAS VERY KEEN ON PRESERVING IS OUR, UH, TAX COLLECTION.
SO PROPERTY TAX AND TPT REVENUES TO THE CITY CANNOT DECREASE DUE TO INCENTIVES OR TAX DEDUCTIONS OR REDUCTIONS BROUGHT UPON AT THE STATE LEVEL OR FEDERAL LEVEL.
FUTURE PAYMENTS REMAIN AT THE HIGHEST AMOUNT AND ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION EMPLOYMENT REQUIREMENTS.
THE TECH PARK BUILDINGS MUST CREATE AT LEAST TWO FTES PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF, OF SPACE REQUIRED MEDIAN WAGE OF AT LEAST 75,000 JOBS MUST BE MAINTAIN MAINTAINED FOR FIVE YEARS AFTER EACH BUILDING CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
AND THERE'S ANNUAL REPORTING REQUIREMENTS IN A TWO, IN A $2,000 PER MISSING JOB PER YEAR.
IF AN EMPLOYMENT FALLS BELOW THE MINIMUM, UH, THE FACILITY MUST BE USED EXCLUSIVELY FOR AI AND ADVANCED COMPUTING DATA CENTER OPERATIONS PROHIBITED USES SUCH AS TRADITIONAL ENTERPRISE DATA CENTERS AND CO-LOCATION FACILITIES OR CLOUD STORAGE IS NOT PERMITTED.
UM, THE TERM OF THIS AGREEMENT WILL RUN FOR 10 YEARS, BEGINNING THE EFFECTIVE DATE AND HAS AN AUTOMATIC 10 YEAR RENEWAL.
AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
YEAH, I'LL START, MICAH, TALK ABOUT THE, UH, UM, POWER ARRANGEMENT AND, UM, THAT'S WITH SRP.
WOULD YOU BE THE BEST ONE OR WOULD ADAM BE BETTER TO AN, TO TALK ABOUT THAT? UH, MAYOR, I CAN PROVIDE SOME HIGH LEVEL AND IF I MISSED ANYTHING, THE APPLICANT, IT CAN MAYBE FILL THAT IN AT A LATER DATE.
SO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO WORK WITH SRP ON A FORMAL CONTRACT.
UM, THAT CONTRACT WILL BE SIGNED, UH, WE ANTICIPATE LATE NEXT FALL, EARLY NEXT DECEMBER, WHICH WILL SPILL OUT THE UTILITY REQUIREMENTS AND PHASING TO BRING POWER TO THE SITE, WHICH IS ANTICIPATED TO BE EVEN 2031 OR 2032.
I KNOW THAT'S A BIG ISSUE HERE.
HOW MUCH WATER WILL THIS GROUP? I, I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A TYPO IN ONE OF THE NEWSPAPERS.
SO WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT WATER USE? JUST TO HAVE THE MOST FACTUAL DETAILS.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE, BUT I WILL ALSO PROVIDE OUR, OUR WATER GURU SIMONE UP TO DATE.
THROUGH THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME INCONSISTENCIES IN THE REPORTING IN THE MEDIA, SO JUST TO CORRECT ANY MISUNDERSTANDINGS ABOUT WATER USE.
THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES CLOSED LOOPED COOLING
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SYSTEMS, WHICH USE VERY, VERY LITTLE WATER.I THINK SOME OF THE CONFUSION POTENTIALLY ABOUT HOW MUCH WATER THE SITE MAY USE OR, UM, THE IDEA THAT MAYBE IT'S UNKNOWN HOW MUCH THE SITE MAY USE MIGHT STEM FROM AN APPLICATION THAT WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO, UH, MAKE IT CLEAR ON THE APPLICATION THAT THE SHELL BUILDINGS PER OUR POLICY, WHEN WE HAVE SHELL BUILDINGS WHERE THERE'S A TENANT THAT HAS NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED YET, WE ASK THEM TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT'S, IT'S THEY ARE UNABLE TO GIVE AN ACCURATE PROJECTION OF WATER USE FOR THOSE SHELL BUILDINGS.
BUT BECAUSE OF OUR POLICY, AS THOSE SHELL BUILDINGS DEVELOP, ONCE A TENANT BECOMES IDENTIFIED, THEY WOULD GO THROUGH OUR SUSTAINABLE WATER ALLOCATION POLICY AS WELL.
SO THE, THE, THE, THE WATER USE FOR THE DATA CENTER PER THE POLICY WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 48,000 GALLONS PER DAY AT A MAXIMUM.
THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE WITH THE OTHER FIVE BUILDINGS UNLESS THEY CAME THROUGH AND ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL WATER ABOVE AND BEYOND THE TIER ONE ALLOCATIONS, THE COMBINATION OF ALL FIVE BUILDINGS, IT WOULD BE AROUND 30,000 WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM 30,000 GALLONS PER DAY.
SO APPROXIMATELY FIVE TO 6,000 GALLONS PER DAY PER BUILDING FOR THE OTHER FIVE BUILDINGS.
AND WITH THAT DATA CENTER, THEY'RE LIMITED TO, UH, ONE INCH WATER LINE AND WE CAN SQUEEZE THAT MUCH WATER THROUGH THAT IN A, IN A MONTH.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE LIMITATIONS OF A ONE INCH WATER LINE, UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
THE, THE LIMITS OF A ONE INCH WATER METER ARE, UM, PROBABLY IN THAT RANGE, DEPENDS ON SOME OF THE SPECIFICS OF THE EXACT METER THAT YOU INSTALLED.
BUT THERE, THE, THE ONE INCH WATER METER WOULD CERTAINLY LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE COULD PHYSICALLY DELIVER TO THE SITE, AND WE WOULDN'T PHYSICALLY BE ABLE TO DELIVER MUCH MORE THAN THAT, ROUGHLY 50,000 GALLONS PER DAY JUST BECAUSE OF THE LIMITATION OF THE METER.
IF THEY EVER WANTED TO TRY TO INCREASE THE WATER USE TO THE SITE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH, UM, COME TO COUNCIL, REQUEST A DIFFERENT SIZE METER, GO THROUGH OUR SUSTAINABLE ALLOCATION POLICY, AND THAT WOULD BE A COUNCIL DECISION, NOT A STAFF DECISION.
THAT WOULD BE A COUNCIL DECISION.
UM, LET'S GO WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS.
OH YEAH, JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION.
UM, SO THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S BEING USED FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE, UM, IF THIS WAS A REGULAR BUSINESS USE THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORTH, WHAT WOULD BE THE ALLOCATION FOR A REGULAR BUSINESS USE IF IT WAS A DIFF IF IT WAS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT WAS LOOKING TO GO IN THERE, WOULD THIS BE THE AROUND THE SAME AMOUNT OR WOULD THIS BE MORE GREAT OR LESS? THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, UH, THIS IS OUR STANDARD ALLOCATION OF WATER THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ANY KIND OF BUSINESS, ANY KIND OF, UM, COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL TYPE BUSINESS.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY, UH, 48,000 GALLONS PER DAY, WHICH I SUSPECT IS ACTUALLY MUCH MORE THAN THE DATA CENTER WOULD NEED BECAUSE CLOSED LOOP COOLING SYSTEMS, UM, GENERALLY DON'T USE VERY MUCH WATER AT ALL.
SO THE, THE 48,000 GALLONS PER DAY FOR THE DATA CENTER IS REALLY JUST AN ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM THAT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE.
AND THAT'S DEFINED BY HOW MUCH WATER IS AVAILABLE FOR THE AVERAGE BUSINESS IN CHANDLER, UM, BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THAT IS A VERY NORMAL AMOUNT OF WATER USE FOR THAT SIZE OF A BUILDING.
AND, AND LASTLY, THE, THE, THE RESIDENT OF CHANDLER, WE, WE SUBSIDIZE BUSINESSES WATER USES, IS THAT CORRECT? WE DO A COST SERVICE STUDY FOR EACH OF OUR, UM, CATEGORIES OF WATER USERS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S EVALUATED EVERY TWO YEARS AS WE DO THOSE STUDIES.
UM, I I, THERE'S PROBABLY PEOPLE WHO ARE MUCH MORE QUALIFIED THAN ME TO EXPLAIN HOW OUR WATER RATES WORK, UH, BUT EACH OF THE CATEGORIES OF USERS PAYS BASED ON THE IMPACT THEY HAVE ON THE SYSTEM.
SO EVEN IF THERE IS, UM, IF THERE, EVEN IF THERE IS A BUSINESS THAT COMES INTO CHANDLER, EACH ONE OF THE RESIDENTS, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY LIVE AT WILL, THAT WILL TIE INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CITY AND THAT WILL CALCULATE WHAT THEIR WATER RATE COULD BE IN THE FUTURE.
SO I, I, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M THE MOST QUALIFIED PERSON TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
I MIGHT ASK, UM, IF SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO ANSWER IT.
WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT THE, UM, THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE IS SOMETHING THAT ALL OF THE USERS OF OUR WATER PAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE AGING PIPES AND WE NEED TO REPLACE THOSE PIPES, THOSE ARE COSTS THAT ARE JUST BILLED INTO OUR COST OF SERVICE TO PROVIDE WATER.
UM, ANY KIND OF ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE MICAH COULD SPEAK MORE TO IN TERMS OF HOW THAT'S HANDLED THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
IF THERE'S A, AN INDIVIDUAL USER THAT REQUIRES SPECIAL INFRASTRUCTURE ABOVE AND BEYOND OUR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, THEN THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE HANDLED WITH THE DEVELOPER THROUGH AN AGREEMENT.
AND MAYOR, THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION THAT I HAVE.
UM, THE CURRENT USAGE OF THE WATER, WHAT'S THE CURRENT USAGE OF THE SITE TODAY? WHAT ARE THEY USING TODAY TO KEEP IT UP AND RUNNING ACTIVATED? UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE SITE IS USING AROUND
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A MILLION GALLONS PER MONTH AND THAT'S JUST TO, UH, BECAUSE THE SITE CURRENTLY HAS EVAPORATIVE COOLING SYSTEMS IN PLACE IN ORDER TO COOL A VACANT BUILDING.UM, EVAPORATIVE COOLING SYSTEMS DO USE A LOT OF WATER.
HOWEVER, THOSE COOLING SYSTEMS WOULD BE REQUIRED UNDER THE AGREEMENT TO BE REMOVED DURING DEMOLITION AND ANY KIND OF NEW COOLING SYSTEMS ADDED WOULD BE, UM, THOSE KIND OF MECHANICALLY LACED CLOSED LOOP SYSTEMS THAT DON'T USE WATER.
COUNCILMAN ORLANDO? UH, SIMONE DON'T GO, WANTS BACK.
UM, AND I MAYBE YOU COULD TAG TEAM ON THIS ONE.
I'M LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENTS, UH, AGREEMENT, UM, UDM DASH 1 21 AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE VEAC WHAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PINPOINT HERE.
IT SAYS AVERAGE ANNUAL GDBD IS 48 6 31, THEN IT SAYS MAXIMUM USE 97,262.
WHAT, WHAT IS IT? HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE.
THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, UH, THAT IS THE APPLICATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEIR WATER USE WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DATA CENTER.
AGAIN, THOSE ARE MAXIMUMS BASED ON THE CITY'S TIER ONE ALLOCATION AS PART OF OUR SUSTAINABLE WATER USE REGULATIONS.
AND WHAT WE, WE KNOW THAT IN SOME CASES, NOT FOR ALL APPLICANTS, BUT FOR SOME THEY NEED TO USE MORE WATER IN THE SUMMER.
SO WE ASK THEM TO GIVE US TWO NUMBERS.
ONE IS WHAT IS THE AVERAGE DAILY USE ACROSS AN ENTIRE YEAR, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GONNA FLUCTUATE FROM DAY TO DAY, SOMETIMES YOU USE MORE IN THE SUMMER, LESS IN THE WINTER.
WE WANNA KNOW THEIR AVERAGE DAILY USE, BUT THEN WE ALSO ASK THEM, OKAY, ON THE HOTTEST DAY OF THE SUMMER, WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF WATER THAT YOU THINK YOU'LL EVER USE? AND THAT'S WHAT THOSE TWO NUMBERS ARE.
THAT'S THE AVERAGE PER DAY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO THAT 365, SO THE AVERAGE ANNUAL, SO THE, THE AVERAGE DAILY USE, IF YOU WERE TO JUST TAKE THEIR TOTAL ANNUAL USE DIVIDED BY 365 WOULD BE THAT 48,000 NUMBER.
IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT MAYBE SOME PEAK DEMANDS IN THE SUMMER, THEY MIGHT USE UP TO 97,000 AT, FOR ONE DAY IN THE SUMMER, BUT THEN USING LESS IN THE WINTER KIND OF AVERAGES OUT SO THAT THE ENTIRE YEAR IS NOT OVER THAT AVERAGE OF 48,000.
SO LET ME, LET ME GET, I'M JUST CLARIFYING HERE.
I GREW UP IN NEWARK, NEW JERSEY, SO A LITTLE BIT OF A MATH THERE.
YOU SAID USING ABOUT 12 MILLION GALLONS NOW? CORRECT.
IF I MULTIPLY 48,000 TIMES 365, I'LL GET 17.5 MILLION.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY BE POTENTIALLY USING MORE WATER BY NOT DOING ANYTHING, UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE MECHANICALLY BASED CLOSED LOOP SYSTEMS THAT IS INTENDED FOR THE DATA CENTER IS THAT IT WOULD USE FAR LESS THAN 48,000 GALLONS PER DAY.
THE REASON THAT THEY, UH, PUT THAT NUMBER IS BECAUSE WE ADVISED THEM THAT THAT WAS THE MAXIMUM ALLOTMENT.
SO IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE TOTAL VOLUME THAT THEY THINK THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO USE.
IT'S THAT WE'RE MAKING IT CLEAR THAT YOU CANNOT EVER USE MORE THAN THAT.
WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT WHAT THEY THINK THEY'RE GONNA USE.
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COUNCIL, WE'RE POSTED.
MICAH, DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THIS PROJECT? WERE IT TO BE APPROVED? YES.
THAT THROUGH THE MAYOR, UH, COUNCILWOMAN POST AND WE'VE RUN, UH, ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND, UM, ON THE DIRECT IMPACT TO THE CITY OVER 10 YEARS, UM, STARTING FROM THIS DATE.
UM, IT'S ABOUT $10.2 MILLION ON THE DIRECT SIDE AND DIRECT INDUCED AND INDIRECT IS ABOUT $10.4 MILLION.
COULD YOU MAYBE GIVE A LITTLE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT YOU MEAN BY DIRECT AND INDIRECT? WHAT YES, MA'AM.
SO, SO DIRECT, UM, ECONOMIC IMPACT IS JUST THE IMPACT, UH, AS A RESULT OF THE BUSINESS OPERATIONS.
THE INDIRECT AND THE INDUCED INCLUDE THE SPINOFF IMPACTS OF THE PEOPLE GENERALLY WHO WORK THERE.
UM, THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE SUCH A HUGE JUMP, UM, IN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DIRECT AND INDIRECT.
IT'S BECAUSE DATA CENTERS OBVIOUSLY DON'T, UM, HOUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE.
SO THOSE PEOPLE DON'T GO OUT AND SHOP AND SPEND IN ANCILLARY PARTS OF OUR ECONOMY.
AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION, COULD YOU OUTLINE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT, UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DOES IN TERMS OF POWER SUPPLY? YES.
UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCILWOMAN POST IN, SO PART OF THE, THE AGREEMENT, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING TO DO IS ENSURE THAT THEY BRING IN THE POWER THAT THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO OPERATE THE DATA CENTER.
UH, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THERE'S STIPULATIONS IN THE TERM THAT BY DO, DO, DO, DO, UM, JANUARY
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OF 2027, SO NEXT YEAR, TWO YEARS, UM, THEY WILL NEED TO HAVE A SIGN DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT WITH SRP FOR THE DELIVERY OF TWO 30 LINES TO THE SITE.SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO BRING IN THOSE LINES TO THE SITE, OR THE CITY MAY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO UNILATERALLY TERMINATE THIS AGREEMENT AND REVERT BACK TO THE PREVIOUS ZONING AND THE COST FOR THAT.
UM, WE'VE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FIRM ESTIMATES.
UM, ALL WE HAVE IS HIGH LEVEL NUMBERS FROM SRP.
UM, WE'VE HEARD NUMBERS NORTH OF 200 MILLION.
FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT, FOR THE ENTIRE PRO, FOR THE ENTIRE ELECTRICAL COMPONENT.
AND THEN, UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS ISN'T THERE SOME SORT OF DOWN PAYMENT FOR THAT, DUE EARLIER THAN THAT? YES.
SO AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, UM, WITH SRP, THEY HAVE MILESTONES TO STAY IN THE SRP PLANNING PROCESS.
AND, AND I DON'T WANNA MISREPRESENT OR MISSPEAK, BUT TO OUR BEST UNDERSTANDING IS THEY HAVE, UM, A LETTER OF CREDIT AND A DEPOSIT THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE WITH SRP, I BELIEVE IN FEBRUARY, THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT, BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION, UM, TO SAVE FOR THE APPLICANT AS WELL.
AND I GUESS PART OF WHY I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, I'VE HAD A LITTLE FRUSTRATION WITH IT ONLY COMING TO US A LITTLE, WHAT, A, A WEEK AGO, A WEEK AND A DAY AGO.
IT'S TAKEN SOME TIME TO GET HERE SO THAT WE COULD HAVE SOME OF THIS INFORMATION OUT IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC.
WHY ARE WE ON THIS TIME CRUNCH? IS IT BECAUSE OF THIS SRP AGREEMENT OR, OR WHY, WHY IS IT, WHY HAS IT TAKEN THIS LONG? WHY HAVE WE NOT HAD MORE TIME TO MAYBE REVIEW THIS AND GET IT IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC A LITTLE MORE THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCILMAN POST IN, UM, THE, THE, I I, SO I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT.
THEY WERE WANTING TO MOVE, UM, RATHER QUICKLY.
AND I, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S TIED TO THEIR SRP TIMELINE.
UM, THE, THE LENGTH OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS VERY COMPLEX.
UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.
UM, SO THE BACK AND FORTH WAS A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT FROM, UM, STAFF ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION.
AND THEN JUST ONE OTHER THOUGHT IN THAT ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, THE 10.2 MILLION OVER A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE, I, I'M JUST ASSUMING THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT SRP FUNCTION, THAT, THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT FROM, THAT THEY WOULD BE INVESTING IN POWER.
'CAUSE THAT THE, THE ESTIMATE OF 285 MILLION IS FAR HIGHER THAN THE 10 MILLION YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE HAVE OF ECONOMIC IMPACT THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCILMAN POSTON? JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN I WAS SPEAKING TO ECONOMIC IMPACT, I WAS TALKING ABOUT REVENUE TO THE CITY.
NOT, NOT NECESSARILY THE NET ECONOMIC ACTIVITY GENERATED BY THAT.
UM, THE NET, UH, ECONOMIC ACTIVITY WE WOULD PUT ALMOST AT 997 MILLION.
SO ALMOST A BILLION DOLLARS AND A LITTLE OVER A BILLION WHEN YOU INCLUDE THE DIRECT, INDIRECT AND INDUCED.
AND THEN NOT INCLUSIVE OF, UM, ANY SRP CAPITAL EXPENSES.
I HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS AND THEN I'LL WRAP IT UP AND LET SOMEBODY ELSE GO.
UM, THIS ONE MIGHT BE BETTER FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, I HAVE BEEN LEARNING MORE ABOUT DATA CENTERS THAN I EVER THOUGHT I WOULD OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS I'VE BEEN TRYING TO STUDY UP.
DO YOU HAVE ANY DISTINCTION OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN AI DATA CENTER AND A DATA CENTER AS WE KNOW IT THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCILMAN POSTON? UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE VERY CLEAR DEFINITIONS PER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THE AI DATA CENTER IS REALLY FOCUSED ON, UM, NON STORAGE TYPE OF ACTIVITIES.
AI DATA CENTERS HAVE OTHER APPLICATIONS, UM, UM, THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT, COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME SENSITIVE REGARDING, UM, LATENCY BETWEEN NETWORKS.
BUT, UH, I WOULD PROBABLY DEFER THE, THE PROFESSIONAL ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION TO THAT APPLICANT.
SO MY FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU IS, IF THIS POWER COMES THROUGH THE PRICE CORRIDOR AND OR IF IT DOESN'T, MAYBE IS A BETTER QUESTION, HAVE YOU HAD ANY, OR DO YOU ANTICIPATE ANY DIFFICULTIES RECRUITING BUSINESSES AND RECRUITING JOBS TO THE PRICE CORRIDOR? BASED ON OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE POWER TO THE TYPES OF JOBS WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT THROUGH THE MAYOR.
UH, COUNCILWOMAN POST IN INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, WE WERE TAKING A LOOK AT IS IF A LARGE POWER USER DOES COME IN THE PRICE QUARTER THAT'S OVER, UH, 10 MEGAWATTS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SRP STUDY ANYWAYS.
SO OUR, OUR OUR, THE, THE REMAINING LAND IN THE CORRIDOR, UM, THERE'S AMPLE POWER.
THERE'S APPROXIMATELY, I THINK 80 MEGAWATTS.
SO THERE, THERE IS POWER IN THERE TO SERVE THOSE TYPES OF USERS, BUT ANY LARGE USER, UM, THAT COMES IN OVER THAT 10 MEGAWATT THRESHOLD WILL BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THE SRP CLUSTER STUDY APPLICATION.
SO NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, THAT POWER, UM, RESOURCE, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE COST WOULD BE
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ON THE USER, NOT THE RESIDENTS OF CHANDLER THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCILWOMAN POSTON.UM, SRPS APPROACH IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT PAYS FOR ITS INFRASTRUCTURE AND GENERATION.
THANK YOU MAYOR MIKE, FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
AND, UM, I THINK TALKING WITH SRP YESTERDAY, THEY SAID THAT THESE STUDIES THAT THEY'RE DOING ARE AS FREQUENT AS EVERY, EVERY TWICE A YEAR.
WAS THAT CORRECT? EVERY SIX MONTHS.
UM, FOR A LARGE POWER USER, IF ANOTHER ONE WOULD COME IN, THAT'S, IF THEY MISS THIS ONE, THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER STUDY GROUP, ANOTHER CLUSTER GROUP THROUGH THE MAYOR.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I UNDERSTOOD.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING FORMALLY SPELLING OUT THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS THEY HAVE FOR THEIR CLUSTER STUDIES.
CONS, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I JUST HAD ONE FOLLOW UP.
COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, UM, JUST HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION ASPECT OF IT.
THERE WAS, CURRENTLY, PRICE CORRIDOR IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THIS TIME, AND THE, THE TRAFFIC HAS BEEN HORRENDOUS OVER THERE.
UM, AND MY CONCERN, MY CONCERN IS, UM, WITH THIS PROPOSAL, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THE TIME SPAN IN WHICH, WHAT DOES CONSTRUCTION LOOK LIKE IN THE PRICE CORRIDOR? UM, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD SO MUCH ABOUT WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE, BUT WHAT REALLY TRULY WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? AND WHAT IS THE IMPACT TO THE BUSINESSES THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TO THEM? UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS? UM, YES.
IF THIS GOES FORWARD AND SRPS TWO 30 LINES ARE PULLED TO SERVE THE SITE, UM, THEY WILL, SRP WILL NEED TO RUN TWO 30 POWER LINES PARALLEL TO THE EXISTING TWO 30 LINES.
AND I HAVE IT, UM, ON THE TABLE.
IF, UM, THE VIDEO TEAM WANTS TO PULL IT UP ON THE ELMO AND I CAN KIND OF SHOW YOU THE TENTATIVE, THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT YES.
VIDEO TEAM, IF YOU CAN PULL THIS UP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
SO, COUNCIL MEMBER, AS YOU MAY RECALL, IN, UM, 20 20, 20 21, THE CITY AND SRP AND INTEL PARTNERED ON THE POLLING OF DISPERSE TWO 30 LINE TO SERVE THE INTEL EXPANSION.
IT ORIGINATES AT THE EXISTING SCHRADER STATION, AND WE HAVE UNDERGROUND, UH, WE HAVE ONE EXISTING UNDERGROUND CONDUIT LINE THAT RUNS THE SITE, UH, ALONG THE BLUE AND BLACK CHECKERED TO THE INTEL SUBSTATION.
UH, WHAT SRP WILL NEED TO DO IS RUN ANOTHER, UM, CONDUIT.
SO THIS IS ALL GONNA BE OPEN TRENCH WORK, UH, ALONG THE POWER LINES DOWN TO CHANDLER HEIGHTS ROAD OR, AND THEN THE ROAD WILL BE OPENED AGAIN AND THAT TWO 30 LINE WILL BE PUT IN AND MOVE ALL THE WAY UP TO CHAPERRAL AND LAKE DRIVE.
AT THAT POINT, WE HAVE ALREADY INSTALLED THE SECOND TWO 30 CONDUIT LINE, SO NO ADDITIONAL TRENCHING OR OR INFRASTRUCTURE WORK WILL NEED TO OCCUR.
THERE WILL BE CLOSURES JUST FOR PULLING THE LINE AND SO FORTH, BUT IT WON'T BE, UM, AS SIZEABLE AS THE WORK FROM SCHRADER OVER TO ALMA SCHOOL AND LAKE DRIVE.
SO THE, THE, THE PICTURE HAS A LOT OF ZIGZAGS.
I CAN BARELY SEE WHAT THAT IS, BUT TELL ME WHAT EXACTLY IS IT GOING THROUGH A, IS IT GOING THROUGH A COMMUNITY GOING THROUGH A ROW? CAN YOU HELP IDENTIFY THE, THE LANDMARKS SO THAT YOUR, THAT YOUR FINGER'S KIND OF RUBBING OVER? IS THAT HOUSES OR IS THAT BUSINESSES? YEAH, THROUGH THE MAYOR.
UM, THE INITIAL LINE WILL RUN DOWN THE POWER LINES RIGHT THROUGH HERE.
AND THEN WHAT, WHICH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THAT RIGHT THERE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? THE POWER LINE EASEMENT.
IS THAT HOUSES ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS? RAILROAD TRACKS, OKAY.
AND THEN IT'LL GO DOWN TO CHANDLER HEIGHTS.
AND CHANDLER HEIGHTS UP IN OH, RIGHT ON ALMA SCHOOL.
AND THEN ONCE IT INTERSECTS WITH LAKE DRIVE AND ALMA SCHOOL THOUGH, THAT SECOND CONDUIT LINE IS ALREADY IN PLACE, SO IT'LL JUST NEED TO BE PULLED THROUGH THAT CONDUIT LINE INTO THE PER SET SUBSTATION ON INTEL'S CAMPUS.
SO, WE'LL, IT'LL BE GOING THROUGH, UM, UH, SO, SO CHANDLER HEIGHTS WILL BE, WILL BASICALLY BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION INTO ELMA SCHOOL, INTO LAKE DRIVE.
UH, WELL, IT CONNECTS AT LAKE DRIVE.
THEY'LL BE, THE CONNECTION WILL BE AT LAKE DRIVE WILL THEN BE PULLED UNDERGROUND IN THE EXISTING CONDUIT LINES.
AND THEN FOR JUST THAT CONSTRUCTION ALONE, WHAT'S THE TIME SPAN ON THAT CONSTRUCTION ALONE? UM, THERE ARE NO HARD TIMELINES RIGHT NOW.
UM, SRPS ANTICIPATING CONSTRUCTION BEING DONE, UH, IN 20 31, 20 32.
SO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH PLANNING, DESIGN, ENGINEERING, UM, ORDERING EQUIPMENT.
UM, SO WE DO NOT HAVE DEFINITIVE TIMELINES ON WHEN THEY WILL BEGIN AND IN THAT CONSTRUCTION.
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JUST TO FOLLOW UP THERE ALREADY IS CONDUIT THROUGH THERE.ARE THEY SAYING YOU HAVE TO RELAY CONDUIT OR JUST USE THE EXISTING CONDUIT THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, UM, ALONG CHAPARRAL AND LAKE DRIVE, AS PART OF THAT INTEL, UM, IMPROVEMENT LINE, WE PRE PLUMBED IT WITH CONDUIT.
SO THAT SECOND CONDUIT LINE THAT, UH, THIS PROJECT WOULD REQUIRE IS ALREADY IN PLACE TO PULL THAT LINE THROUGH.
THE NEW CONDUIT WILL BE EVERYTHING OUTSIDE OF, UH, CHAPERRAL AND LAKE DRIVE, ALMA SCHOOL, CHANDLER HEIGHTS, AND THEN ALONG THE, UH, RAILROAD EAST, IT GUESS WHEN WE FIRST DID THIS PROJECT YEARS AGO, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS ABILITY TO EXPAND THAT CONDUIT LINE FOR REDUNDANCY.
UH, WE MAY, WE MAY HAVE TO CHECK THAT AGAIN, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
UM, SO A YEAR TO EVALUATE THIS, WHEN WOULD THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE SUBSTATION OPERATIONAL? UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCILMAN ORLANDO.
AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE DEFINITIVE TIMELINES.
UH, ONCE THE CONTRACTS BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND SRP ARE SIGNED, SRP GOES INTO THEIR PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD IS, AGAIN, IN THAT 20 31, 20 32 TIMELINE.
SO THAT'S, UH, 6, 6, 7 YEARS FROM NOW APPROXIMATELY.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS? JUST ONE MORE CLARIFYING QUESTION ON THE CONDUIT THAT'S ALREADY LAID AT THAT, UH, INTERSECTION OFF ALMA SCHOOL, IF WE WERE TO USE IT TO ADD, UM, WHAT WE WOULD NEED FOR THIS, WOULD THAT ELIMINATE ANY FUTURE USE IF WE NEEDED MORE AT ANY TIME, LIKE FUTURE TIME OR IS THERE SPACE FOR MORE, UM, ABILITY TO ADD TO? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES.
UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS, UM, IF AN ADDITI IF ADDITIONAL POWER WAS NEEDED TO THE, THE REGION AND IT COULDN'T FLOW THROUGH, UM, THE EXISTING, UH, TWO 30 LINE AND THE PROPOSED TWO 30 LINE, WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD FIND IT ALONG THIS CORRIDOR.
UM, I THINK, UH, PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES WOULD AGREE WITH ME.
WHEN I SAY THE, THE AREA IS PRETTY WELL TAPPED OUT IN TERMS OF EASEMENT SPACE.
UM, THE, THE BANKS FOR UNDERGROUND TWO 30 LINES HAVE TO BE REALLY LARGE BECAUSE OF THE HEAT THEY GENERATE.
AND SO I DON'T BELIEVE ANOTHER POWER LINE WOULD BE ABLE TO BE PULLED ALONG THIS CURRENT ROUTE.
WE'D HAVE TO IDENTIFY AN ALTERNATIVE ONE.
NEXT UP, UH, OUR APPLICANT, ADAM B AND AS ADAM IS COMING UP, LET ME ASK AGAIN.
IF THERE IS A SEAT NEXT TO YOU, UM, RAISE YOUR HAND.
THERE'S STILL PEOPLE STANDING IN THE BACK.
IF ANY OF YOU IN THE BACK WOULD LIKE TO FIND A SEAT, PLEASE DO.
OR YOU COULD GET THE WORD OUT TO THOSE WHO ARE OUTSIDE THAT THERE'S CAPACITY INSIDE IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME IN.
COUNSEL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
UM, MY NAME'S ADAM BAUM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UM, IN THIS ROOM OF MANY PEOPLE ARE A FEW PEOPLE YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR, SO I'D LOVE TO JUST KIND OF POINT THEM OUT NOW IF NEEDED.
UM, IS JEFF WITH ACTIVE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROJECT.
TONY SOLO, THE ACOUSTICAL ENGINEER, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING NOISE AND TEGAN WOLF, UM, ARE, ARE ESSENTIALLY OUR WATER ENGINEER WHO HELPED FILL OUT SOME OF THOSE APPLICATIONS.
SO ADMITTEDLY, UH, I'M, I'M AN EXPERT IN NOTHING AND I KNOW VERY LITTLE.
AND AS A RESULT, I, I WILL INEVITABLY BE ASKED A QUESTION I, I WON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR.
I HOPE THAT THE FOLKS THAT ARE WITH ME TODAY MAY BE AN BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
AND SO THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF PEOPLE COMING UP AND FORTH BASED ON THE, THE PRESENTATION, THE QUESTION THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I EMPATHIZE
AND WITH THIS, THESE FACTS AND WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE IN THE ROOM TODAY, I EMPATHIZE WITH YOU BECAUSE, UM, I THINK YOU SIGNED UP TO BE A CITY COUNSELOR TO LEAD THE CITY 'CAUSE YOU FELT LIKE YOU HAD SOMETHING TO OFFER IN YOUR SERVICE.
AND ON OCCASION, TOUGH DECISIONS BRING OUT TWO SIDES OF A, OF AN, OF AN OUTCOME.
AND, UM, OFTENTIMES YOU MAKE THESE DECISIONS AND A FEW PEOPLE GIVE YOU A PAT ON THE BACK AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU HOW YOU SHOULD DO YOUR JOB.
UM, HOWEVER THE RESULTS LAY OUT TODAY, I APPRECIATE YOUR CONTEMPLATION AND THE CONSIDERATION NOT ONLY YOU'VE GIVEN TO ME, BUT FRANKLY TO THE VOLUME OF, OF EMAILS YOU RECEIVED.
I'VE KNOWN MANY OF YOU PERSONALLY, AND I KNOW THAT EACH OF YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME READING EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE CORRESPONDENCES FROM THE PUBLIC.
SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS CASE TODAY.
AS, UM, WE CONSIDERED WHAT WE WERE BRINGING TO YOU.
I KNOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WRESTLED WITH THIS DECISION.
YOU'VE DONE INDEPENDENT RESEARCH,
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YOU'VE LISTENED TO WHAT RESIDENTS HAVE SHARED, YOU'VE LISTENED TO WHAT I'VE SHARED, YOU'VE PUSHED BACK ON WHAT I'VE SHARED, YOU'VE PUSHED BACK ON WHAT RESIDENTS HAVE SHARED.UM, I THINK WHAT YOU'VE DONE MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IS PUSHED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF A PROJECT LIKE THIS IS APPROVED, THAT IT'S APPROVED IN A MANNER THAT CREATES GREAT BENEFIT TO THE CITY WITH NO RISK.
AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT I WANNA SHARE, UM, IN MY PRESENTATION DAY.
BEFORE I GET TO THAT THOUGH, I WAS ASKED IF I WOULD PLEASE RESPOND TO A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, RAISED THROUGH THE EMAILS AND THROUGH THE ONLINE CHATTER.
AND SO IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME, I I THINK IT'S VALUABLE TO, TO FOLLOW YOUR FEEDBACK AND, AND, AND ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST DID OUR CASE, WE DID THREE NEIGHBOR MEETINGS AND EVERY NEIGHBOR MEETING WE HELD, WE HAD LESS PEOPLE ATTENDING.
AND I THINK WHAT I LEARNED WAS THAT AS THEY CAME AND THEY HEARD THE FACTS, UM, THEIR INTEREST OR OPPOSITION TO THE CASE DECREASED.
UM, WE WERE REQUIRED TO SEND OUT A THOUSAND PIECES OF MAIL FOR EVERY NEIGHBOR MEETING WE DID.
AND AT SOME POINT WE GOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND GOT A, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
AND THERE WAS SOME PEOPLE THERE WHO WERE, UM, SPEAKING WITH SENTIMENTS, UM, OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT AND THERE WAS OTHER PEOPLE THERE MORE SO SPEAKING IN SUPPORT.
AND AT SOME POINT AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THERE WAS A, A MAILER THAT WAS SENT OUT, UH, INCLUDED SOME INFORMATION, I DON'T SAY ENTIRELY ALL TRUTHFUL, BUT NONETHELESS, UM, AT SOME POINT THE ONLINE CHATTER SWELLED AND IT BEGAN TO TAKE OVER THE FACTS.
AND, AND AS I LOOKED AT SOME OF THAT STUFF, I CAN SEE WHERE THE SINCERITY OF THOSE COMMENTS STARTED.
FRANKLY, UM, NOT ALL DATA CENTERS ARE EQUAL AND NOT ALL OPERATORS ARE THE SAME.
AND MANY OF THE CONCERNS THAT I'VE READ THROUGH THE EMAILS, AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE AS WELL, UM, WERE LIKELY BASED IN A TRUTHFUL SITUATION AS PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS HAPPENING THERE.
AND AS I THINK THROUGH A NUMBER OF DATA CENTERS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED ACROSS THE NATION, UM, THERE'S PROBABLY A VARIETY OF THEM THAT CAN SUPPORT MANY OF THE FEARS THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED TODAY.
WHAT'S INTERESTING THOUGH, ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE, UM, WHAT YOU CAN FIND AND READ ONLINE, UM, IS, IS OFTEN NOT ENTIRELY ACCURATE TO THE FACTS OF THIS CASE TODAY.
AND SO I WANNA ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, A COMMENT, ONE OF THE COMMENTS I READ ONLINE WAS THAT A DATA CENTER CAN USE AS MUCH WATER AS A SMALL TOWN AND THAT OUR WATER RATES WOULD BE ASTRONOMICAL.
AND SO WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE, UM, PROJECT BEFORE YOU TODAY IS WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE WATER ALLOCATION FORM EARLY, THAT ACTUALLY WAS BASED ON OUR REQUEST THAT WE WERE THINKING WE NEEDED A TWO INCH WATER METER.
AND SO AFTERWARDS, THROUGH THE COURSE OF NEGOTIATING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS WHEN THE CITY, UM, REQUIRED THAT WE AGREED TO A ONE INCH WATER METER.
SO I THINK SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS YOU'VE SEEN THERE WERE PROBABLY FROM THE, THE INITIATION OF THE APPLICATION, WHETHER IT'S COUNCILS MEMBER, UM, UH, ORLANDO POINTED OUT THAT THOSE NUMBERS OR, UM, A ONE INCH WATER METER NUMBER IT THERE, THERE'S A BETTER PROTECTION IN PLACE AND THE PROTECTION IN PLACE IS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
NOT THAT IT REQUIRES A ONE INCH WATER METER, IT SAYS NO OTHER WATER COOLING SYSTEMS ALLOWED, BUT A CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY INJECTING WATER ONE TIME AND THAT'S IT, NOT RECURRING WATER USAGE.
UM, AND SO WHAT I, I APPRECIATE THE FACTS AND WORTH NOTING HERE IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROHIBITS ANY OTHER FORM OF WATER COOLING, BUT THE, UM, MECHANICAL SYSTEM OR THE CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM, THERE ARE, UM, THREE WATER METERS ON THE PROPERTY TODAY.
AND WE'VE BEEN, UM, UH, REQUIRED UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO REMOVE THEM.
WE'LL HAVE ONE THERE DURING THE COURSE OF THE DEMOLITION.
SO IN CASE THERE'S LIKE A FIRE DURING THE DEMOLITION PHASE, THERE'S A WAY TO HAVE, UM, ACCESS TO THAT.
BUT UNDER THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT THAT WE WILL BE REMOVING THOSE PRIOR TO GETTING THE, THE DATA CENTER OPERATING IN ADDITION, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD ALREADY, BUT THOSE WATER CHILLERS, UM, ARE REQUIRED TO RUN THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER AND EVEN THROUGH THE WINTER IF NECESSARY UNDER THE INSURANCE OBLIGATIONS OF THE BUILDING.
AND SO AS A RESULT THEY HAVE, THEY'RE USING AND CONSUMING A LOT OF WATER EVEN THOUGH NO ONE'S PRESENTLY OCCUPYING THOSE BUILDINGS.
AND I CAN IMAGINE IF THEY WERE BEING OCCUPIED AND USED FOR PLUMBING USES, THEY WOULD USE SIGNIFICANT GREATER THAN WHAT THAT 12 MILLION AVERAGE IS.
UM, OR 12 MILLION IS THIS YEAR.
ANOTHER CONCERN THAT I THINK IS PROBABLY BASED IN SOME DEGREE OF TRUTH IN OTHER PLACES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY APPLICABLE IN THIS CASE HERE, IS THAT DATA CENTERS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE MASSIVE COOLING THAT POWER THAT THEY NEED AND THE SYSTEMS NECESSARY FOR THAT TEND TO CREATE, UM, NOISE THAT CAUSES THESE TYPES OF DISTURBANCES.
AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN OBSERVED IN THIS CORRIDOR.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS A, A, A FICTIONAL THING.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE CITY CHANGED THEIR ZONING ORDINANCE, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO HOW NOISE IS MEASURED AND MITIGATED.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE ARE DIFFERENT HERE THAN ANY OF THE ONES IN THE CORRIDOR OR TRUTHFULLY A LOT OF OTHER PLACES ACROSS THE NATION.
UM, WITH THIS MODERN FACILITY AND OUR TYPES OF TECHNOLOGIES, WE HAVE ACCESS TO COOLING METHODS THAT WEREN'T PRESENT, UM, WHEN A LOT OF THESE OTHER FACILITIES WERE BUILT, MOST OF THEM WERE IMPLEMENTING IN THE LAST FEW YEARS NATIONALLY.
AND SO BY USING THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS IN THE CLOSED LOOP SYSTEMS, WE DON'T REQUIRE THE SAME DEGREE OF COOLING METHODS THAT CREATE AND DRIVE A LOT OF THOSE NOISES.
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IN FACT, WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS DATA CENTER ORDINANCE, UM, YOU DID NOT BAN DATA CENTERS.WHAT YOU SAID IS IF THEY COME, THEY HAVE TO COME TO A PID SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE ADDITIONAL CRITERIA.
AND THIS WAS THE ADDITIONAL NOISE MITIGATION CRITERIA.
LET ME RUN, RUN THROUGH REAL QUICK.
I THINK YOU KNOW THIS, BUT FOR THE AUDIENCE, I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU PROPOSE A NEW DATA CENTER UNDER YOUR NEW ORDINANCE, WE HAVE TO MEASURE THE BASELINE NOISE TODAY BEFORE THE DATA CENTER EXISTS.
WE HAVE TO MEASURE THAT BASELINE NOISE AT THE NEAREST RESIDENCE AND OFFICE.
AND AS WE DO THAT, THAT NOW IS IDENTIFIED AS THE AMBIENT NOISE FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO MODEL THE TYPES OF SYSTEMS THAT WE WOULD USE AND PROJECT WHAT TYPE OF NOISE WE WOULD GENERATE.
AND WE CANNOT EXCEED WHAT THE AMBIENT IS IN THE AREA.
AND SO THE AMBIENT IN THIS AREA, AS I GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY NOTES, IT HAS AN AVERAGE LOW OF 55 DECIBELS AND AN AVERAGE HIGH OF 69 NEXT TO THE NEAREST RESIDENCE.
SO THAT'S THE AMBIENT THAT WE HAVE TO BENCHMARK AGAINST AND WE HAVE TO PROVE THAT OUR FACILITY WITH THE EQUIPMENT WE USE WILL BE LESS THAN WHAT THAT AMBIENT IS.
AND SO AS WE BROUGHT THAT, THAT'S WHY I BRING TONY SO UP TO HERE BECAUSE AS WE, AS WE DO THIS, THIS IS NOT, UM, ANYTHING LIKE WHAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED IN THIS CORP.
NOW WE WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO IMPLEMENT YOUR NEW DATA CENTER ORDINANCE.
AS A RESULT, WE HAVE TO PROVE BEFORE WE COMMENCE THAT WE CAN, UM, ACHIEVE AND SATISFY WHAT THE, THOSE NEW CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT THE ONES THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR THE OTHER OPERATORS UP AND DOWN THAT, THAT CORRIDOR.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO REDO THAT NOISE STUDY EVERY FIVE YEARS UNDER YOUR CODE.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE IF A DATA CENTER IS GONNA COME HERE, IT HAS TO FOLLOW NEWER, MORE STRINGENT CRITERIA THAN WHAT THE PAST HAS BEEN.
AND ADDITIONALLY, OPERATIONALLY THERE'S SOME NEW THINGS AS WELL.
WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ONSITE LIAISON WHO CAN RESPOND TO CONCERNS RELATED TO NOISE.
UM, THAT WHEN WHENEVER YOU DO A TEST OF A BACKUP GENERATOR, IT CAN ONLY OCCUR DURING CERTAIN TIMEFRAMES WITH PUBLIC 24 HOUR NOTICE.
AND WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN A WEBSITE WHEN ANNOUNCING WHEN THOSE THINGS OCCUR.
AND SO I SHARE ALL THAT BECAUSE THESE THINGS THAT DO NOT APPLY TO ANYBODY ELSE IN THAT CORRIDOR, WHICH I THINK ARE THE ONES THAT LED TO SO MANY OF THOSE CONCERNS, THERE'S A CONCERN I THINK ABOUT BACKUP GENERATORS THAT THEY MIGHT BE RUNNING IT AT ALL TIMES AND CREATE EXCESSIVE NOISE.
MAYOR, AM I, AM I GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF? NO.
I WASN'T SURE IF THE SCREEN WERE SHOWING UP WITH YOU.
UM, AND SO AS I LOOKED AT THE BACKUP GENERATORS, I, I WILL ADMIT TO YOU THAT IF YOU ASK ME A QUESTION BACK ABOUT BACKUP GENERATORS, I WILL CERTAINLY DEFER TO MY CLIENT 'CAUSE HE'LL KNOW HOW THOSE WORK BETTER THAN I DO.
BUT THEY ARE IN AN INSIDE AN ACOUSTICAL ENCLOSURE WITH NOISE DAMPENERS, AND THEY ONLY RUN WITH THIS EMERGENCY OR IN THE RARE OCCURRENCE WHEN WE HAVE TO DO, UM, TESTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE OPERABLE.
AND AS A RESULT, I I, I WON'T GO BACK AND REPEAT WHAT I HEARD, WHAT I SAID ALREADY, BUT CLEARLY AMBIENT MATTERS.
ANOTHER CONCERN THAT I HEARD REGULARLY IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER CAPACITY TO SERVE A NEW DATA CENTER, AND THAT RESIDENTS THEMSELVES WILL ABSORB THE COST OF THAT NEW POWER DELIVERY FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND I, I CAN APPRECIATE I MYSELF HAVE EXPERIENCED WHAT IT'S LIKE TO SEE MY UTILITIES RISE UP.
NOT JUST POWER, BUT INCLUDING WATER FOR THAT MATTER.
AND SO WHEN I HEAR THOSE CONCERNS, I, THEY ARE BASED IN A REAL LEGITIMATE, UM, TRUTHFUL CONCERN, BUT I THINK MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF HOW WE ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST OR HOW THE CITY AND SRPS EXPECTING US TO DO THIS GOING FORWARD.
SO WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS, UNLIKE THE PRIOR APPLICANTS WHO HAVE BEEN IN THIS CORRIDOR AND MAYBE COULD HAVE TAPPED INTO WHAT AVAILABLE POWERS IN THE AREA, WE HAVE TO BUILD THE POWER AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY TO BRING IT TO US.
THE APPROXIMATE NUMBER THAT WE WERE GIVEN BY SRP IN OCTOBER WAS $242 MILLION.
THAT NUMBER MAY ADJUST AS THEY REFINE AND SHARPEN THEIR PENCILS, BUT CLEARLY IT'S A BIG NUMBER.
THAT NUMBER IS WHAT'S IS, IS REQUIRED UNFORTUNATELY FOR THIS PROJECT IN THIS AREA TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF POWER CAPACITY.
THE SECOND THING ABOUT SRPS NEW MODEL THAT WASN'T IN PLACE BEFOREHAND IS THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED WHAT IS A NEW LARGE LOAD USER.
BASICALLY SOMEBODY WHO USES 20, UM, OR MORE.
AND AS A RESULT, THOSE FOLKS WHO USE THAT TYPE OF POWER THEN, THEN FALL INTO THE SRPS DIFFERENT PRICE PLAN.
IT'S CALLED THE E 67 PRICE PLAN.
WHAT THAT PLAN DOES IS IT REQUIRES THE NEW LARGE USERS TO PURCHASE A REQUIRED AMOUNT OF POWER, EVEN IF THEY DON'T USE THAT POWER.
AND THE REASON WHY THEY REQUIRE US TO PURCHASE THAT AMOUNT, WHETHER OR NOT WE USE IT, IS TO ENSURE THAT THE CUSTOMER, UM, THAT US ARE THE ONES PAYING FOR THAT POWER.
AND IT'S NOT A PASS ON TO AN INCREASE FOR ANYBODY BEYOND US.
AND IF WE DON'T USE ALL THE POWER THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO PURCHASE, THEN ESSENTIALLY, UM, JUST MAKES IT A MORE ROBUST GRID FOR SRP AND UM, AND THE STATE.
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I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A MAX OF HOW MUCH WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BUY, EVEN IF WE DON'T USE THAT AMOUNT, AND IT'S INTENTIONAL THAT WAY.OUR PRICING IS SEPARATE FROM OTHERS.
THERE'S A, UH, I'VE HEARD A CONCERN THAT SOMEHOW, AND THIS WAS EVERYTHING I READ, IS THINGS THAT I'VE READ ONLINE IN ANTICIPATION IN THIS MEETING THAT SOMEHOW THE LONG-TERM BENEFIT OF THIS PROJECT IS, UM, NOT WORTH THE TRADE-OFF OF APPROVING IT.
UH, LOVE TO CHAT ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS.
I THINK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON PROPERTY TAXES AS IF THAT WAS THE BIG CARROT HERE.
PROPERTY TAXES ARE ABOUT $45,000 TODAY A YEAR.
THEY WILL BE UP SIGNIFICANTLY MORE ONCE WE BUILD THE PROJECT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY THE THING.
I WANNA LEAN UPON THE TELL THE TRANSACTION PRIVILEGE TAX JUST THROUGH THE POWER PURCHASE HERE IS ABOUT $2.6 MILLION ANNUALLY.
I I DON'T KNOW MANY ENTERPRISES IN THE CITY OF CHANDLER THAT CREATE THAT TYPE OF SALES TAX REVENUE.
AND AS A RESULT, THAT NUMBER DOESN'T INCLUDE PERMIT FEES, CONSTRUCTION TAXES, SELLS TAXES, PAYROLL TAXES, UTILITY TAXES AND COSTS OR ANYTHING RELATED TO THE FIVE TECH BUILDINGS.
THAT NUMBER'S JUST RELATED ONLY TO THE DATA CENTER AS A RESULT.
I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD IN THE PAST IS A FEAR THAT WHAT IF WHAT HAPPENS IF THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CHANGES THE ABILITY TO TAX THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES? WE HAVE AGREED TO A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION THAT WE WILL ENSURE THE CONTINUED PAYMENT OF THAT NUMBER, EVEN IF THE, THE STATUTORY REGIME FOR TAXING IS TO BE, UM, ABANDONED.
WHAT THIS DOES, AND I CAN'T THINK OF ANYBODY ELSE IN THE ENTIRE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY, MAYBE EVEN THE STATE WHO WAS, WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO AGREE PAY TAXES OR A SET AMOUNT IN PERPETUITY IN THE FUTURE AGAINST A UNKNOWN LEGISLATIVE REGIME.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD TESTAMENT NOT ONLY TO WHAT WE BELIEVE IN THE FAITH OF THIS PROJECT, BUT, AND A CLEAR IDENTIFICATION THAT TO BE A GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNER, THAT IS AN EXPECTATION THAT WE'RE WILLING TO FULFILL.
I'VE HEARD SOME QUESTIONS THAT SOMEHOW THIS DATA CENTER'S GONNA CREATE A LOT OF POLLUTANTS THAT WE HARMFUL TO THE RESIDENTS.
AND I THINK THAT ALMOST OVERLOOKS THE FACT THAT THIS USED TO BE A ROCKET TESTING FACILITY BEFORE IT WENT VACANT OR THAT IT'S NEXT TO A SEWER TREATMENT PLANT OR A FIRE TRAINING FACILITY OR, UH, INTEL OR MANY OF THE OTHER, UM, MANUFACTURING INTENSIVE OPERATIONS THAT OCCUR IN THIS CORRIDOR.
ALSO WORTH NOTING SOME OF THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS THAT I WAS RESEARCHING FROM THE COMMENTS REALLY RELATE TO DATA CENTERS THAT HAVE WATER DISCHARGE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE IN THIS CASE.
UH, I'VE HEARD THAT THERE IS, UM, A CONCERN THAT THIS HAS SIGNIFICANTLY LOW JAW GENERATION AND THAT CHINA WOULD BE TRAINED STRATEGIC RESOURCES FOR, FOR WHAT? FOR, UM, LITTLE IN RETURN.
AND I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE, UH, LARGEST POINTS OF MISINFORMATION THROUGH THIS PROJECT.
IT IT'S ASSUMING THAT THE ONLY THING I'M DOING IS A DATA CENTER.
DATA CENTER IS NINE ACRES OF THE 40 ACRE PROJECT.
THE 40 ACRE PROJECT HAS SIGNIFICANTLY OTHER EMPLOYMENT GENERATING USES ON THE PROJECT.
FOCUSING ONLY ON THE DATA CENTER IS, UM, VERY MYOPIC.
WHAT'S ALSO INTERESTING ABOUT THIS, IT'S IT, THAT TYPE OF A COMMENT IGNORES THE SIGNIFICANT JOB CREATION THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PHAGE AND THE WAGES THAT COME WITH IT AND THE ECONOMIC OUTPUT THAT COMES WITH THAT.
IT IGNORES THE MODELING OF, UH, DURING THE OPERATIONAL PHASE OF THE TYPES OF EMPLOYEES THAT WILL BE IN THE BALANCE OF BILLINGS.
IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT OUR ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY THAT I SUBMITTED, UM, BACK IN UH, MARCH WAS ONLY ASSUMING WE'RE DOING A SINGLE STORY IN ALL THE TECH PARK BUILDINGS.
SINCE THEN, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PUT IN 520 EXTRA PARKING SPACES IN OUR PROJECT.
THE REASON WHY THAT WAS PROVIDED ISN'T 'CAUSE I'M INTERESTED IN PUTTING A BUNCH OF ASPHALT.
IT'S BECAUSE I WANT THE ABILITY TO HAVE A SECOND FLOOR IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE TECH PARK BUILDINGS.
AND SO THIS MODELING NUMBER WAS RATHER CONSERVATIVE WITHOUT CONSIDERING THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES ON THE ENTIRE SECOND FLOOR OF EV EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
AND SO JUST IN THIS 15 YEAR HORIZON, IT IS A SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC INPUT OUTPUT AND WAGES.
UM, SO AS I ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS, I COME BACK TO THE FIRST COMMENT WHERE I STARTED THIS DEAL AND THIS PROJECT ONLY MAKES SENSE IF IT'S A GOOD DEAL FOR THE LONG-TERM BENEFIT OF THE CITY OF CHANDLER.
AND IF THOSE RISKS HAVE BEEN ALLEVIATED OR PROTECTED AGAINST.
LET ME WALK THROUGH I THINK NINE OR SO REASONS WHY THERE ARE TREMENDOUS BENEFITS THAT COME WITH THIS PROJECT.
FIRST OF ALL, TWO AND A HALF BILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT IS SOMETHING YOU DON'T SEE VERY OFTEN AND THERE IS CLEAR ECONOMIC BENEFIT DERIVED FROM IT, NOT JUST FROM THE
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AI DATA CENTER AND THE FIVE TECH PARK BUILDINGS, BUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE NEW INDUSTRIES THAT CAN BE SUPPORTED BY A FACILITY LIKE THIS.I'M PROUD TO SEE WHAT CHANDLER HAS BEEN ABLE TO CREATE WITH IT, BUT AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO PLAN FOR FUTURE TECHNOLOGIES AND A FACILITY LIKE THIS OPENS THE DOOR AND CREATES THE, NOT ONLY THE POWER INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THE POWER COMPUTING TO ATTRACT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT REMOVES AN EMPTY BUILDING THAT SAT THERE FOR SEVEN YEARS.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER IT WILL SIT, BUT IT IS A CHALLENGE THAT EXISTS WITH THIS PROPERTY.
THE SECOND, UH, CITY BENEFIT ARE THE JOBS I TALKED ABOUT, THE JOBS THAT OCCURRED TO THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.
I TALKED ABOUT THE JOBS THAT'LL BE OPERATIONALLY THERE, BUT IT'S NOT JUST PUTTING TOGETHER PROGNOSTICATIONS AND PROJECTIONS.
WE HAVE DONE SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW I'VE SEEN ANYBODY DO.
TYPICALLY WHEN I BRING A BIG EMPLOYMENT USE, THE CITY HAS OFF IN THE PAST OFFERED INCENTIVES FOR EVERY JOB CREATED.
THEY WOULD PAY, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND DOLLARS, $15 FOR EVERY FULL-TIME JOB OVER A CERTAIN WAGE REQUIREMENT.
OH, WE'VE DONE THE OPPOSITE WHERE WE HAVE GUARANTEED TO THE CITY A MINIMUM JOB PER SQUARE FOOT THRESHOLD AND A AND A PAYMENT FOR EVERY JOB.
AGAIN, I I, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE, BUT I THINK WE BELIEVE IN THIS PROJECT ENOUGH THAT WE'LL TAKE THAT RISK AND DE-RISK THAT TO THE CITY.
IT'S INTERESTING THAT I'M HERE TALKING ABOUT GIVING THE FINANCIAL GUARANTEES OF THE CITY ABOUT JOBS WHEN THE CITIES HAD, UM, FIVE WARM NOTICES IN THIS VERY CORRIDOR IN THE LAST TWO YEARS TOTAL IN 2,661 JOBS.
AND THEN YESTERDAY I SAW AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT NXP SEMICONDUCTORS IS ANNOUNCED THAT THEY'LL BE CLOSING THEIR FACILITY IN CITY CHANDLER THAT HAS, I THINK 750 EMPLOYEES THERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL ALL LEAVE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT WAS AN INTERESTING TIMELY ANNOUNCEMENT.
AND SO WHILE FOLKS ARE LEAVING, WE'RE ACTUALLY GUARANTEEING AND WE'RE PUTTING OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS.
THE THING ABOUT THIS AI DATA CENTER, AND THE THIRD BENEFIT HERE IS ATTRACTING THE VERY TYPES OF TARGETED INDUSTRIES THAT CHINA WANTS TO SEE.
NOW, I CAN APPRECIATE DAVID TORRE'S PRESENTATION ABOUT, UM, THE THE GENERAL PLAN AND, AND THE GENERAL PLAN BEING INTENTIONAL FOR CREATING JOBS.
AND IF THE ONLY THING I WAS DOING WAS A DATA CENTER, THEN I THINK HE, I'D SAY HE'S RIGHT AND I'D AGREE WITH HIM, BUT IF YOU IGNORE THE OTHER TECH PARK BLENDS THAT COME WITH IT, THEN YOU'RE IGNORING IGNORING THE ATTRACTION THAT AI DATA CENTER BRINGS TO THOSE TYPE OF FACILITIES.
A SIMPLE WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS THE ABILITY TO DIRECT CONNECT FIBER.
UM, OPTICAL FIBER LINES TO THE DATA CENTER IS THE, UNLIKE IN OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY, MOST OF THE FIBER AND OTHER PLACES ARE IN PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY, WHICH CAN, UM, BE LONG, UM, CIRCUITOUS AND ALSO SUBJECT TO, UM, UH, DAMAGE ON, ON OCCASION FOR, UM, MISTAKEN, UM, DIGGING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY USERS WANT TO CO-LOCATE HERE BECAUSE THOSE FIBER LINES ARE INTERNAL ON THE PROPERTY AND THE ABILITY TO BE AS PROXIMATE TO IT AS THEY ARE IS A SIGNIFICANT DRIVING FACTOR FOR IT.
WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS THAT THOSE FOLKS DESIRE TO HAVE A SUB TWO MILLISECOND LATENCY.
AND SO IF I AM TRYING TO ATTRACT THE R AND D AND THE BIOPHARM AND THE BIOMED AND THE BIOSCIENCE, THE AEROSPACE, AND THEY HAVE USER REQUIREMENTS OF ADJACENCY BECAUSE OF THOSE REASONS, THEN THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTRACT THE VERY INDUSTRIES THAT I THINK KEEP CHANDLER STRONG IN THE LONG TERM.
AND WHEN YOU LOCATE THEM SO FAR AWAY, 40 OR 50 MILES AWAY, WHAT YOU DO IS YOU'RE CREATING A LONGER ROUND TRIP OF LATENCY THAT DOESN'T MEET THOSE MINIMUM THRESHOLD REQUIREMENTS AND THE TYPES OF INDUSTRIES THAT YOU DESIRE.
AND SO AS A RESULT, THIS ACTUALLY MAKES POSSIBLY KIND OF THINGS.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY STAFF TOOK IT A WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL, BOTH IN THE PAD AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO LIMIT THE USES ONLY TO THE TYPES OF ONES THAT THEY WANNA SEE IN THIS CORRIDOR.
SO I CAN'T BE ANYTHING ELSE BUT THE VERY THINGS THAT THEY ENCOURAGE AND DESIRE HERE, MICAH HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB DESCRIBING THE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT I FIND INTERESTING ABOUT IT IS THIS INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD HAVE BEEN INSTALLED FOR INTEL IF INTEL HAD MOVED FORWARD WITH THEIR EXPANSION AND NOW WE WILL BE DOING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THAT INFRASTRUCTURE CLEARLY IS FOR OUR BENEFIT, BUT IT BENEFITS OTHER, UM, INDUSTRIES AND USERS IN THE AREA.
BY THE INSTALLATION OF THAT, IT ACTUALLY MAKES SOME OF YOUR OTHER PROJECTS LIKE INTEL MORE, UM, ROBUST AND READY TO MOVE FORWARD IF, UM, THAT EXPANSION HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE.
AND SO AS I LOOK AT THE BENEFIT, NOT JUST US FOR DOING THAT WORK, IT'S THE BENEFIT FOR THE AREA 'CAUSE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE CAN NOW GO FORWARD AND WE DO THE WORK THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE BY SOMEBODY BEFOREHAND.
NOW WATER SAVINGS IS THE SIXTH OR THE FIFTH SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT.
UM, YOU HAVE AN EXCELLENT STAFF THAT HEARD YOUR CONCERNS VERY CLEARLY AND THEY MADE SURE
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THAT WHETHER OR NOT, UM, OR IF THIS WERE TO GO FORWARD AS AN APPROVAL, THAT IT HAS SIGNIFICANT PROTECTIONS IN PLACE TO NOT BE LIKE ALL THE OTHER HORROR STORIES YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ABOUT DATA CENTERS IN THE, ACROSS THE STATES.SO NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE AGREED TO DECOMMISSION THE WATER GUZZLING WATER CHILLERS TODAY, AND WE START THAT WORK WITHIN 60 DAYS.
THERE ARE THREE WATER METERS OF THREE INCHES ON THE PRIVATE DAY.
WE'VE AGREED TO TAKE THOSE OUT.
WE'VE AGREED TO A ONLY A TIER ONE WATER ALLOCATION.
WE'VE AGREED TO A ONE INCH WATER METER AND WE'VE AGREED THAT THERE'LL BE NO OTHER WATER BASED COOLING SYSTEM, BUT FOR THE CLOSED LOOP, WHICH MEANS THERE IS NO CONTINUAL USE OF NEW WATER.
SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE TRUE AND ACTUAL AMOUNT IS, THE REALITY IS IT'S ENOUGH TO WASH OUR HANDS AND FLUSH THE TOILETS.
NUMBER SIX, REGARDING CITY BENEFITS ARE THE TAX REVENUES.
I TALKED ABOUT THE 2.6 MILLION ANNUALLY TO THE CITY, BUT ALSO THE ABILITY TO ENSURE AGAINST ANY FUTURE CHANGES GOING FORWARD.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S MADE THAT TYPE OF COMMITMENT TO ANY CITY IN THE STATE.
AND THEN I THINK ABOUT NUMBER SEVEN, THE PERFORMANCE OBLIGATIONS.
THEY SAID, LISTEN, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU FOLLOW THROUGH ON THESE COMMITMENTS.
ONE, WE WANNA SEE THIS BUILDING TORE DOWN SEVEN YEARS OF EMPTY OBSOLETE, BUILDING AN EYESORE IN THAT AREA.
IT NEEDS TO COME DOWN, THE SOONER IT COMES DOWN, THE MORE SHOVEL READY IT IS FOR THE TYPE OF TARGETED INDUSTRIES THAT WE WANT TO ATTRACT IN THE AREA.
AND SO AS A RESULT, THESE PERFORMANCE OBLIGATIONS REQUIRE US TO START DEMOING THE BUILDING WITHIN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS.
THE REASON WHY IT'S SIX MONTHS IS IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO MIC A D ENERGIZE, I THINK, THE RIGHT WAY, UM, THESE TYPES OF, UH, POWER FACILITIES THAT ARE IN THE PROPERTY.
AND SO UPON DOING THAT, WE'VE ALSO AGREED THAT WE WOULD BUILD AN EMPLOYMENT TECH PART BUILDING PRIOR TO THE C OF O FOR THE DATA CENTER.
AND THE OTHER BUILDINGS HAVE DEADLINES OF 2031 AND 2032 ONLY BECAUSE THAT'S THE TIMEFRAME OF DELIVERABLE POWER.
BUT IF WE MISS THOSE DEADLINES, WE ESSENTIALLY WILL BE PAYING THE CITY $425,000 EVERY YEAR UNTIL WE ACTUALLY BUILD THOSE BUILDINGS.
AGAIN, I, I DON'T KNOW OF ANOTHER PROJECT OR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN THIS HISTORY OF THE CITY THAT MAY HAVE MADE THAT TYPE OF FINANCIAL COMMITMENT.
WITH THE RELIANCE AND FAITH OF THIS TYPE OF A PROJECT, WE'VE AGREED TO PAY THE CITY, PREPAY THE CITY $2 MILLION TOWARDS UTILITY LINE RELOCATIONS.
AND IF THE COST TO RELOCATE THOSE UTILITY LINES EXCEED THE 2 MILLION, WE ALSO HAVE AGREED THAT WE'LL BE ON THE HOOK FOR THOSE UTILITY LINE RELOCATIONS AS WELL.
WE'VE HEARD REALLY CLEARLY THE IMPORTANCE OF MAKING SURE THAT THOSE LINES ARE UNDERGROUND AND NOT ABOVE GROUND, AND SO WE WILL UNDERGROUND ALL UTILITY ELECTRICITY LINES.
LASTLY, AS I THINK ABOUT THE FINAL GUARANTEES, THIS IS A HEAVY HAMMER AND A GREAT DEGREE OF LEVERAGE THAT THE CITY CAN EXERCISE.
THE FACT THAT I HAVE TO PERFORM WITH SRP IN YEAR ONE OR THE CITY CAN REVOKE THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND REVERT THE ZONING IS A VERY, VERY POWERFUL TOOL AT YOUR DISPOSAL.
ONE, IT ENSURES THAT THIS IS A REAL PROJECT.
TWO, IT ENSURES THAT THIS INTELLIGENCE DOESN'T HANG AROUND FOREVER IF WE AREN'T REAL AND WE DON'T GO FORWARD.
THREE, IT PROTECTS YOU AGAINST THOSE WHAT, UM, THOSE UNKNOWNS AND THOSE RISKS.
AND SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, HERE ARE THE LIST OF THE RISKS THAT THE CITY HAS PROTECTED AGAINST THROUGH THIS PROJECT.
ONE, YOU'VE GUARANTEED TARGETED INDUSTRIES IN THE WAY YOU'VE DRAFTED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE ZONING HUB STEPS.
YOU'VE GUARANTEED NEW JOBS THROUGH THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT PER THRESHOLD OF SQUARE FEET PLUS THE PENALTY PHASE, UM, PENALTY PAYMENT THAT COMES ALONG WITH IT.
YOU'VE GUARANTEED THE WATER SAVINGS NOT ONLY IN THE IMMEDIATE DEMOLITION OF THE WATER CHILLERS, BUT IN THE LIMITATIONS PUT ON THE STRUCTURE.
YOU'VE GUARANTEED POWER INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT JUST FOR US, BUT FOR THE BROADER AREA WHO WILL ALSO RELY UPON IT.
YOU'VE GUARANTEED LARGE, SIGNIFICANT ONGOING TAX REVENUES EVEN IN THE EVENT THAT FUTURE LEGISLATION MAY, UM, CHANGE THAT YOU'VE GUARANTEED AGAINST NOISE IMPACTS BY THE WAY YOU HAVE CREATED YOUR NEW 20,000, 2022, UM, DATA CENTER ORDINANCE.
AND BY PUTTING IN THAT BASELINE AS A MEASUREMENT TOOL BEFORE WE START, YOU'VE GUARANTEED THAT IT CAN'T BE ANY LOUDER THAN WHAT IS ALREADY PRESENT IN THE AREA TODAY.
YOU'VE LOCKED IN VERY SIGNIFICANT KEY BENCHMARKS IN THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT AND EXECUTION OF THIS PROJECT.
YOU'VE SECURED PAYMENTS AND JOBS AND IN DELIVERABLE BUILDINGS AND YOU'VE SECURED A MORE ROBUST POWER SUPPLY FOR THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
UM, I I ALMOST LIKE I NEED TO SAY IT AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED AND RARELY SEEN, IF EVER IN MY EXPERIENCE, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THIS AS LONG AS OTHERS, BUT TO ME THIS IS THE TESTAMENT OF WHAT JEFF BELIEVES HE CAN DELIVER ON THIS PROJECT RELATED
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TO NOT JUST THE DATA CENTER, BUT THE FIVE EMPLOYMENT BUILDINGS THAT COME ALONG WITH IT.SO MICAH DID A GREAT JOB SUMMARIZING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT COMMITMENTS.
I WON'T REPEAT 'EM AGAIN, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT THIS DOES IS ALLOW CITI TO CONTINUE WITH THE BRANDING AND IMAGE OF PRICE ROLL CORRIDOR AS THE NEXT, UM, FORWARD FACING ADVANCED TECHNOLOGICAL CORRIDOR.
A PLACE WHERE WE JUST DON'T RELY ON SINGLE USER OFFICE BUILDINGS OR, UM, SEMICONDUCTORS, BUT WE, WE RELY AND, AND PUT OURSELVES IN THE FUTURE TO ADDRESS AND BECOME FORWARD FACING TECHNOLOGICAL EMPLOYERS.
THE TYPES OF BUILDINGS THAT WE CREATE, ATTRACT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THE LATENCY AND PROXIMITY AND THE FIBER NEXT TO 'EM FULFILL THEM.
I THINK WE PROVIDE AN ASSET CLASS THAT ISN'T IN THIS CORRIDOR BUT WILL GUIDE CHANDLER'S FUTURE GOING AHEAD AND BUT FOR THE FACT THAT YOU'VE PROTECTED YOURSELF AGAINST ALL RISKS.
AND I KNOW YOU DIDN'T DO THIS JUST FOR YOU, YOU DID IT FOR THE RESIDENTS.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHER REASON WHY WE WOULD NOT APPROVE THE CASE ONCE ALL THESE PROTECTIONS ARE IN PLACE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I'LL END MY PRESENTATION AND AGAIN, I'LL REPEAT, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS, BUT I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THE TEAM WITH ME DOES.
THANK YOU, ANNA, I WANNA START ON THIS SIGN.
SO ANGEL, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND WE'LL WORK OUR WAY THIS WAY.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S FOR YOU, ADAM, OR IF MAYBE IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO SIMONE WITH WATER.
ONE OF THE, THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING IS, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WILL REDUCE THE WATER ON THAT SITE.
ONE THING THAT, UM, I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT IS THAT THE ENERGY DEMAND FOR AN AI DATA CENTER ACTUALLY REQUIRES AN EXPONENTIALLY LARGER WATER USE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT OR IF MAYBE SIMONE HAS SOME MORE INFORMATION, ANY OF OUR WATER EXPERTS IN THE ROOM, IF THAT'S ACCURATE OR NOT.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INACCURATE INFORMATION, BUT I'D APPRECIATE HEARING FROM OUR CITY STAFF IF THEY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S NOT ACCURATE INFORMATION, SO I I CAN'T RESPOND ANY OTHER WAY TO SAY ONE IS NOT ACCURATE.
TWO, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SAYS.
SO WHETHER THE EVEN A WORD TRUE YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROHIBITS THAT FROM EVER OCCURRING.
SIMONE, IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT.
THROUGH THE MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, I, I, I THINK THERE ARE TRUTHS IN THAT IN SO FAR AS THE QUESTION YOU HAVE TO ASK IS WHERE IS THE WATER BEING USED? SO THAT IS NOT TRUE WHEN IT COMES TO CHANDLER'S WATER RESOURCES.
HOWEVER, SRP HAS TO USE WATER TO GENERATE POWER.
SO, UH, I WILL SAY THAT SRPS POWER GENERATION IS, UH, HYDROPOWER.
SO IT'S CONSIDERED A VERY SUSTAINABLE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE SRP SYSTEM, THEY LET WATER OUT OF DAMS TO GENERATE TURBINE SPIN AND IT GENERATES HYDROPOWER AND THEY USE A SYSTEM WHERE THEY PUMP WATER DURING TIMES OF LOW ENERGY RATES AND RELEASE WATER AT TIMES THAT ENERGY RATES ARE NEEDED.
SO THERE IS, THERE IS DEFINITELY POWER USE ASSOCIATED WITH, I'M SORRY, WATER USE ASSOCIATED WITH GENERATING MORE POWER.
IT'S JUST NOT COMING FROM CHANDLER'S WATER SUPPLIES.
UH, MR. BA, I'M LOOKING AT THE LONG TERM, LONG TERM GOAL, UH, OF THIS POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND YOUR, YOUR CLIENT IS GUARANTEEING JOBS AND POTENTIAL PENALTIES TO BE PAID TO THE CITY IF THEY AREN'T MET.
THAT'S A BIG COMMITMENT, YOU KNOW, A VERY CONFIDENT ONE AS WELL.
WHAT STRATEGY DOES YOUR, UH, CLIENT OR TIMEFRAME HAVE IN REGARDING IN CREATING THOSE ACTUAL JOBS? CAN I PROBABLY BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR HIM TO COME UP AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION DIRECTLY? IS THAT OKAY? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
I GUESS JEFF SIGLER, FOUNDER AND CEO OF ACTIVE INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCILMAN CENA.
UM, UPON APPROVAL OF OUR PROJECT, I MEAN EVEN PRIOR TO APPROVAL, OUR PROJECT FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS SINCE WE'VE VOTED, WE'VE HAD JONES LANG LASAL INTERNATIONAL BROKERAGE FIRM MARKETING THIS PROPERTY, UH, FOR, FOR USE, BUT, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM AS WELL AS, UH, CITY STAFF TO ATTRACT THE TENANTS OF THE PROPERTY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, BROAD IDEA OF WHAT TYPE OF TENANT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY BROUGHT IN? SURE.
UM, THERE WERE TWO TENANTS THAT WANTED TO COME HERE, BUT
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BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF THE APPROVAL, THEY, THEY'VE GONE ELSEWHERE.UH, ONE TO, TO MESA AND ONE, UH, WE DON'T KNOW YET WHERE, WHERE THEY'VE LANDED.
UM, ONE WAS A, UH, AUTOMATED MANUFACTURING CENTER AND THE OTHER WAS A BIOPHARMA COMPANY.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR HER.
THIS QUESTION IS FOR THE APPLICANT.
THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, QUESTIONS OUT THERE CONCERNING YOUR INVOLVEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, CHANDLER IS A VERY SMALL FIELD CITY, BUT ALSO A BIG CITY AS YOU KNOW.
AND WHAT WE LOOK FOR WHEN SOMEONE COMES HERE TO, WITH A PROJECT LIKE THAT IS HOW INVOLVED WILL THEY BE IN OUR COMMUNITY? SURE.
AND, AND I'M HEARING THAT YOU DON'T LIVE HERE, YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IN CHANDLER.
UM, BIG MONEY COMING FROM NEW YORK, BIG MONEY COMING FROM ALL OVER OTHER PLACES.
THE REASON WHY I WANTED TO RAISE THIS QUESTION IS BECAUSE I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE HAVE THIS ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE AND THEN YOU ACTUALLY PUTTING YOURSELF ON RECORD, PUBLIC RECORD, UH, STATING, 'CAUSE I ASKED YOU THAT QUESTION THE FIRST TIME WE MET.
HOW INVOLVED ARE YOU IN THIS COMMUNITY? AND I KNOW YOUR PAST SAYING THAT AT ONE POINT YOU WANTED TO BE AN ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON AND SO YOU WANTED TO HELP PEOPLE.
AND SO HERE YOU ARE BEFORE US TODAY TALKING ABOUT THIS HUGE BILLIONS OF DOLLAR PROJECT.
SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHERE DO YOU STAND WITHIN THOSE LINES AS FAR AS COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT HERE IN CHANDLER? SURE.
UM, I MEAN, WHEN WE, WHEN I FOUNDED ACTIVE INFRASTRUCTURE ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, WE ARE BASED ON COMMUNITY CENTRIC.
UM, I COULD PROBABLY DECLARE RESIDENCY IN ARIZONA, SAVE A LOT OF TAX MONEY HOW OFTEN I'VE BEEN HERE.
UM, YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THERE'S 1.2 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF VACANCY RIGHT NOW ON PRICE ROAD QUARTER, THERE'S A BUILDING THAT'S I THINK THE, THE OWNER'S GETTING PAID BY 10, BUT IT'S VAC AND SEVEN STORY THAT WHEN I SHOWED UP AT THE BUILDING, WE BOUGHT THE BUILDINGS, THE FIRST THING THAT I WOULD DO IS I WOULD LET THE POLICE COME IN AND USE, USE IT FOR TRAINING.
SO EVERY WEEK,
I ASK FOR NO COMMENTS, RESPECT, OR SPEAKERS.
UH, BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, WHEN WE ARE, BEFORE WE DEMO A BUILDING, THE POLICE AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, LIKE USE, THEY DON'T GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE OP TO, TO USE BUILDINGS LIKE THIS FOR TRAINING.
AND IT'S AMAZING THAT I THINK THERE'S ABOUT 300 CHANDLER POLICE OFFICERS AND MES OF OFFICERS THAT HAVE BEEN USING THE BUILDING EVERY WEEK.
THESE ARE BUILDING IN THE PARKING LOT FOR FELONY STOPS.
ONE OF THEM MENTIONED THAT THEY HAD TROUBLE GETTING A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
I, I PERSONALLY PAID FOR THAT FOR THEM, UM, TO PROTECT, TO TO PROTECT THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN, WE UH, THE MEETING THAT WE WERE AT AFTER THE MEETING, AFTER OUR PLANNING AND ZONING, YOU HAD A, UH, IT WAS A, UM, I FORGOT THE NAME OF THE ORGANIZATION, BUT EMAILED JOHN AND SAID, JOHN FOR NEXT YEAR WE'RE ALREADY READY TO, TO FUND IT.
IT WAS FOR WHEN THE SCHOOL, WHEN THE KIDS WERE COMING BACK TO SCHOOL, UM, I FORGOT THE NAME OF, OF, OF WHAT IT WAS TOO.
MAYOR COUNCIL, I BELIEVE HE'S TALKING ABOUT ONE COMMUNITY, THE RETURN TO SCHOOL, THE BACKPACK EVENT WE HAD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR FOR ONE, ONE COMMUNITY, ONE CHANDLER.
YEAH, BECAUSE I LOOKED AT THE GRAPH THAT WAS ON THERE.
I DIDN'T SAY A SINGLE COMPANY ON PRICE OR A QUARTER THAT HAD DONATED.
SO WE'VE COMMITTED TO THAT ALREADY.
SO AS WE SEE PROJECTS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS, WE TRY TO RESPOND PROACTIVELY AND QUICKLY.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE, I'VE SAID IT, I THINK TO EVERYONE ON THE DEUS, MY PHONE NUMBER GOES IN THE SIDE OF OUR BUILDING.
IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, I WANT HEAR ABOUT IT.
I DID IT IN DELAWARE WHEN WE BUILT, WHEN WE REDEVELOPED A PROJECT THAT WAS SURROUNDED BY A COMMUNITY, WE GOT SEVEN CALLS.
ONE OF THEM WAS A MARRIAGE PROPOSAL TO ME.
MY WIFE DID NOT LIKE THAT ONE.
UM, BUT WE WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE SO WE COULD TAKE CARE OF IT IMMEDIATELY.
AND I THINK YOU COULD CALL UP ANYONE IN NEWCASTLE IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW AND THEY WOULD SAY THAT WE WERE A GOOD STEWARD OF THE COMMUNITY.
WHEN THERE WAS AN ISSUE, WE RESPONDED AND WE TRIED PROACTIVELY PREVENT THE ISSUES.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR RESPONSE.
UM, AT THIS TIME, MAYOR, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTION, BUT I MIGHT CIRCLE BACK.
DID WE EVER, UH, THANK YOU FOR, FOR YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE WATER.
WHAT EXACTLY IS, HOW MUCH WATER DO YOU USE PER DAY? UM, SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THAT QUESTION.
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APPLICATION WAS BASED OFF OF A TWO INCH WATER METER.UM, AFTER, AS WE'VE AGREED TO, WE'RE DOWN TO A ONE INCH WATER METER, SIMONE, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT CAN FLOW THROUGH, BUT I DID A LITTLE, WENT BACK TO MY GEOMETRY, THE CIRCUMFERENCE OF A CIRCLE, RIGHT, A TWO INCH WATER METER, YOU CAN FIT FOUR TIMES AS MUCH WATER THROUGH THAT, THROUGH THAT METER THAN A ONE INCH METER.
SO IN THEORY, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW IT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR, OF YOUR HEAD, THE MAXIMUM THAT WE COULD PUT THROUGH THAT METER IS APPROXIMATELY ON AVERAGE, 12,000 GALLONS A DAY MAX OF 25,000 GALLONS.
THAT'S WHAT'S ALLOWED, WE ANTICIPATE PROBABLY USING ABOUT 5,000 GALLONS FOR DOMESTIC USE.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING INTO KIND OF GUESSING MATH HERE.
I I I WOULD SAY YOU CAN MOVE 50,000 GALLONS PER DAY THROUGH A ONE INCH METER.
IT'S GETTING INTO THE UPPER END OF, OF THAT'S STRETCHING THE ABILITY OF A ONE INCH METER.
BUT IT IS PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE TO DO IT.
IT'S JUST, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT IDEAL.
IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO USE THAT MUCH WATER, YOU WOULD NOT NORMALLY INSTALL A ONE INCH METER.
AND I DO THINK IT'S, IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT AT THE TIME THAT THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED, WE WERE EXPECTING A TWO INCH METER FOR THE DATA CENTER AND WE, AND THE 48,000 GALLONS WAS MY, MY ADVICE TO SAY, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, JUST PUT THE MAXIMUM THAT KEEPS YOU WITHIN THE TIER ONE ALLOCATION.
SO THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY A PROJECTION OF WATER USE.
IT WAS MY EXPLAINING TO THE APPLICANT THAT THIS IS THE MAXIMUM THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO USE IF YOU WANT TO STAY WITHIN OUR TIER ONE ALLOCATION.
BUT UM, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE TO MOVE THAT MUCH WATER THROUGH A ONE INCH METER.
ALRIGHT, SO LOOK, I DON'T WANNA GET DOWN TO TWO DETAILS.
YOU BUILT DATA CENTERS, HOW MUCH WATER DOES THIS DATA CENTER USE PER DAY? THIS IS GONNA USE SOMEWHERE AVERAGE 3000 GALLONS TO 5,000 GALLONS A DAY.
LOOK, WHAT IS AN AI DATA CENTER AND WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT TO US? I HAVE DATA CENTERS IN PRICE ROAD CORRIDOR.
EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
THE WHOLE CYRUS ONE CAMPUS FOR THEIR, UM, FOR THEIR WEBSITE IS 168 MEGAWATTS.
SO THAT SITE IS FIVE TIMES THE SIZE OF WHERE WE'RE PUTTING OUR DATA CENTER, YET WE ARE APPROXIMATELY 80% OF THE COMPUTE POWER IN THAT ONE BUILDING.
SO YOU'RE CONSOLIDATING EVERYTHING INTO THIS DENSER BUILDING AS IT RELATES TO WHY AI HERE, UM, ON YOUR STUDY SESSION EARLIER IN THE WEEK, YOU TALKED ABOUT PUTTING MORE FIBER IN THERE, ISSUE AN ERRAND CONTRACTOR SHUT DOWN.
I THINK THAT WAS SAID HALF OF CHANDLER LOST COMMUNICATION.
THAT IS THE KEY ASPECT TO A LOT OF OUR TENANTS.
THERE'S GUARANTEED CONNECTION.
IF YOU CAN PUT YOUR BUILDING NEXT TO OUR BUILDING, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ERRAND CONTRACTOR THAT SEVERS THAT LINE.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN UNTIL INTEL, IF THEIR DATA CENTER GOES DOWN, THEIR WAFERS COULD BE COMPLETELY GARBAGE.
SO PUTTING IT ON THE SAME SITE FOR ALLOWS US TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF A CONTROLLED FIBER LINE.
THERE'S ALSO THE LATENCY SIDE LATENCY PEOPLE SAY YOU PUT A 40, 50 MILES AWAY MILES FOR LARGE LANGUAGE MODEL AI TRAINING THAT CAN BE 40, 50 MILES AWAY.
CHAT GPT CAN BE 40, 50 MILES AWAY WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU PUT IT IN YOUR, IT'S FINE.
PEOPLE ACCEPT THAT IT TAKES A COUPLE SECONDS FOR IT TO COME BACK.
BUT THE HIGHLY AUTOMATED AUTOMOTIVE OR AUTOMATED EQUIPMENT THAT IS INSTANTANEOUSLY READING SOMETHING SEEING DOES THAT WELD CORRECT, IT'S NOT GOTTA CORRECT IT RIGHT THERE IS IT, IT IT CANNOT TAKE ANYTHING OVER TWO MILLISECONDS IS WHAT THE STANDARD IS FOR MOST OF OUR CLIENTS FOR THAT KIND OF OPERATION.
SO WHAT IS THE DISTANCE THAT A BUILDING HAS TO BE AWAY FROM THE MAXIMUM DISTANCE BUILDING HAS TO BE AWAY FROM IT.
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT, THAT SPEED DEPENDING UPON THE FIBER WAY.
UNFORTUNATELY FIBER DOES NOT GO AS A CROW FLIES.
IT GOES THROUGH EXISTING CONDUITS.
UM, IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN OBLIGATION FOR A REQUIREMENT FOR YOUR OWN DEDICATED LINE, UM, IT COULD TYPICALLY 13 FIBER KILOMETERS IS, IS THE MAXIMUM THAT WE'VE SEEN.
UM, ABOUT 10, ABOUT EIGHT MILES AS FULL DIRECTION.
WITHOUT, AND CAN YOU AMPLIFY THAT? SAY AGAIN? CAN YOU AMPLIFY THAT? UM, AS YOU AMPLIFY, YOU CAN, YOU CAN STILL, YOU'LL STILL HAVE DEGRADATION OF SIGNALS, BUT IT MAY BE GOOD ENOUGH IF YOU'RE 20 MILES AWAY, 30 MILES AWAY.
I JUST GO WITH WHAT OUR CLIENTS REQUIRES.
THAT'S SAY AGAIN, WHAT THE CLIENTS REQUIRE IS THE MAXIMUM DISTANCE.
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HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE YOU TO BUILD THIS BUILDING FOR THE SHELL OR FROM FROM START TO FINISH? JUST TELL ME HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE YOU TO BUILD THE DATA CENTER? APPROXIMATELY 24 MONTHS.SO YOU GOT TWO YEARS TO BUILD THIS DATA CENTER AND YEAH.
APPROXIMATELY FIVE TO SIX YEARS BEFORE YOU GET POWER.
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO FOR THOSE FOUR YEARS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE FULL POWER? WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED OUR BILLING PERMIT PROCESS WITH THE CITY OF CHANDLER.
SO THERE'S WE'RE WE NEED TO GO THROUGH BEFORE WE EVEN PUT A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND.
SO SIGNIFICANT PROCESS AS WELL AS YOU NEED TO PROCURE THE MATERIALS THAT GO IN THERE.
JUST BECAUSE WE CAN BUILD IT IN 24 MONTHS.
A LOT OF ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT HAS LEAD TIMES THAT COULD BE JUST AS LONG.
OKAY, WE'RE YOU'RE GETTING LOOK, UM, LET'S KEEP THIS HIGH LEVEL.
I PUT SATELLITES IN SKY, I GET IT, IT'S GONNA TAKE YOU, BUT THIS IS PURELY A BUSINESS CASE.
I SAY GO TONIGHT, 24 MONTHS, I'LL GIVE YOU 36 MONTHS.
'CAUSE OF WHO KNOWS, CEMENT'S NOT AVAILABLE.
YOU STILL GOT THREE YEARS AND THAT'S DIRECTED FROM SRP BEFORE YOU POWER THIS, THIS UNIT UP, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO FOR THOSE THREE YEARS? I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE ARE NOT FOR THE RESPONSE THAT WENT BACK TO THE COUNCIL.
I THINK YESTERDAY WE'VE COMMITTED THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BRING ON PSYCH GENERATION TURBINES AND RECIPROCAL ENGINES.
IF THAT IS WHERE YOU'RE LEADING TO COUNCILMAN ORLANDO.
AT THE SAME TIME, AT THE SAME TIME, ELECTRIC UTILITIES SUPPLY IS CONSISTENTLY CHANGING.
SO FOR INSTANCE, OUR PROJECT, WE, WE DON'T NEED THOSE TWO 30 KV LINES THAT WE'RE FULLY PAYING FOR.
WHAT'S INTEL IS CONNECTED TO THE 69 KV LINE THAT COMES DOWN THE OLD, OLD PRICE ROAD.
THAT IS WHERE OUR POWER IS COMING FROM.
BUT IN ORDER TO UTILIZE THAT, WE NEED TO REPLACE AND THE CONNECTION THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE TO THE 69 WITH THIS NEW TWO 30 KV LINE.
SO IF INTEL, THEY'LL HAVE THAT EXTRA TWO 30 KV, WHICH WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL REDUNDANCY AND POWER ON THERE, AND THEN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO COME OFF THE 69 KV LINE THAT'S ADJACENT TO OUR SITE.
ALRIGHT, SO BUT YOU'RE STILL NOT FULL CAPACITY.
YOU STILL WON'T BE AT FULL CAPACITY IF I, IF I PUT SAY TWO BUILDINGS GO UP, YOU HAVE TWO CUSTOMERS THAT GO INTO THAT AREA, YOU STILL WON'T BE AT FULL CAPACITY.
SO THE PROBLEM IS YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SERVE THAT CUSTOMER POTENTIALLY.
AND I GUESS I'M LOOKING AS A BUSINESS CASE, YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU'VE LOST TWO CUSTOMERS BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE A DATA CENTER THERE.
BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, YOU'RE TELLING ME IT'S GONNA BE AT LEAST SIX YEARS BEFORE YOUR FULL CAPACITY.
TELL ME WHAT CUSTOMER'S GONNA WAIT AROUND FOR SIX YEARS IF THEY POTENTIALLY GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND HOW ARE YOU GONNA CAPTURE THAT CUSTOMER BASE? THERE IS DEMAND FOR THIS PRODUCT HERE.
WE HAVE WORKED WITH UTILITY COMPANIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
THEY, TODAY THEY MAY BE SAYING SIX YEARS.
WE ARE HOPING THAT THAT CHANGED.
THAT'S CHANGED IN OTHER MARKETS RIGHT NOW AS OTHER PROJECTS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN IN THE QUEUE HAVE FALL, HAVE FELL OFF.
FOR INSTANCE, THE CLUSTER STUDY WAS 7.2 GIGAWATTS.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING NOW IT'S ALREADY DOWN TO FIVE AS STU AS GROUPS HAVE, HAVE, UH, HAVE UH, REMOVED THEMSELVES FROM THE CLUSTER STUDY, WHICH COULD OPEN UP MORE POWER IN THIS AREA.
BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS YET BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, WE CAN'T PROVIDE THE CERTAINTY FOR THE DELIVERY.
YOU CAN PLAN ON THAT CERTAINTY SIX YEARS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
ONCE WE GET THE, THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
SO I GUESS THE OTHER THING I'M LOOKING AT IS FROM A BIGGER PICTURE, UM, THIS INDUSTRY IS OVER LEVERAGED AI.
I JUST GOT BACK FROM A VISIT TO WALL STREET, UM, TALKING TO MANY ANALYSTS AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BUBBLE BECAUSE OF THE INVESTMENT DOLLARS.
LET'S PLEASE AGAIN, PLEASE, FOLKS, THIS ISN'T OTHER CITIES.
CHANDLER'S A VERY WELL RUN CITY.
SO PLEASE, LET'S, LET'S KEEP US, LET'S KEEP THIS TO A PROFESSIONAL LEVEL.
AND THE OTHER THING THE ANALYSTS WERE SAYING, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, SIR,
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YOU'RE COMING HERE TO TELL ME THIS IS A GREAT DEAL.WE JUST PA PASSED A FOUR 75 MILLION BOND ELECTION BECAUSE THEY TRUST US WITH 70% APPROVAL.
THESE PEOPLE TRUST US OUT HERE.
SO I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, I'M JUST TAKING A LEVEL OF ECONOMICS, NOT PLANNING AND ZONING, NOT WATER USAGE, NOT ELECTRIC USAGE.
YOU GOT A $2.5 BILLION INVESTMENT, 2 BILLION, I DUNNO WHAT THE NUMBER WAS.
HOW ARE YOU GONNA PAY THAT BACK OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS? HOW ARE YOU GONNA PAY YOUR CREDITORS BACK WHEN THERE'S NO INCOME COMING IN? THE $2.5 BILLION? HOW MUCH IS YOUR COST THAT'S SPENT, THAT'S SPENT AS WE'RE BUILDING IT? SO IF WE'RE DELIVERING IN SIX YEARS, WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING THAT OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS.
AT THAT POINT, THE INCOME STARTS COMING IN TO PAY BACK THE DEBT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA WAIT, A CREDITOR'S GONNA WAIT SIX YEARS TO GET TO PAY BACK THE DEBT.
WELL, WE ARE UNDER THE, THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE'RE TAKING THE DEBT OUT DAY ONE.
SO THEY TOOK THE DEBT OUT AS A CREDITOR.
BUT WE'RE NOT TAKING THE DEBT OUT DEBT DAY ONE.
OKAY, SO HOW MUCH IS THIS? YOU NEED TO COME UP WITH $275 MILLION JUST TO GET ELECTRIC, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THEN YOU NEED TO GET YOUR BUILDING BUILT WITHIN TWO YEARS, WHICH IS HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST YOU.
ROUGHLY, APPROXIMATELY 400 MILLION.
SO NOW YOU'RE 600 AND ALMOST $700 MILLION AND YOU HAVEN'T PAID YOUR CREDITORS BACK.
I DON'T HAVE DEEP POCKETS, NO MATTER YOUR INVESTORS DO.
YES, MATT, THAT LINE OF QUESTION ISN'T NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE FOR A, A LAND USE CASE.
HIS INVESTMENT MODEL, THE PEOPLE BEHIND HIS PROJECT, YOU'RE GOING TO A LEVEL BEYOND WHAT IS PROPER AND APPROPRIATE FOR A HEARING LIKE THIS.
I JUST HAD A HOUSING CASE NO MORE THAN A COUPLE MINUTES AGO WHERE SOMEONE COMES IN HERE AND SAYS, I GOT A CORNER OVER HERE, ARIZONA AND
WE'RE GONNA BUILD THIS BEAUTIFUL SEVEN STORY BUILDING.
THREE AND A HALF YEARS LATER, IT'S ZERO.
WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF PAIN TO GET THAT DEVELOPED.
WE WENT A LOT OF PAIN TO GET THAT APPROVED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN AND IF YOU'RE LOSING CUSTOMERS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE SPEED TO MARKET, YOU CAN'T TELL ME HERE, AT LEAST CONVINCE ME YOU'RE GONNA SPEND THIS MUCH UPFRONT MONEY, ADAM, AND SAY THIS IS VIABLE.
AND THIS ME ONE OTHER THING, ADAM, I'M SORRY I, YOU AND I TALKED.
LOOK, ADAM, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS AD NAUSEUM FOR THE LAST SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS.
I SAID TO YOU, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE WATER.
BUT WE CAN MITIGATE THOSE THINGS.
YOU CAN'T GIMME A VIABLE BUSINESS CASE.
NOW, THIS AIN'T ESSENCE DAY ONE, NO VIABLE BUSINESS CASE.
AND I'M SAYING HERE, I'M GONNA PROVE THIS UNDER BECAUSE I TRUST YOU.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS JUST IN TERMS OF YOUR ENGAGEMENT AND YOUR OUTREACH.
UM, UH, THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, UM, SHOWED THAT THERE WAS ABOUT NINE PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP FOR YOUR, UH, FOR THE ENGAGEMENT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER, I THINK IT WAS 12 AND I MAY BE OFF JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE ENGAGEMENT BASED ON THE PUBLIC OUTREACH WAS VERY LOW.
AND TODAY WE HAVE A VERY HIGH ENGAGEMENT LEVEL.
AND MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHAT DO YOU THINK THE DISCONNECT IS BETWEEN THE TIME THAT YOU HELD YOUR PUBLIC MEETINGS TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY? I MEAN, I WILL ANSWER IT.
WELL, THERE WAS A THOUSAND PIECES OF MILL SENT THREE DIFFERENT TIMES.
SO THREE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR MILL TO GO OUT.
SOMETHING INTERESTING HAPPENED AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THERE WAS A MASS MILL THAT WE DIDN'T CREATE OR PRODUCE THAT WENT FAR GREATER THAN THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS PROJECT.
AND THEN FROM THAT POINT, A CONCERTED EFFORT TO CONTINUE THAT SPARKED NEW INTEREST BEYOND WHAT THE MILLION RADIUS WAS.
UM, I HAVE 192 DIFFERENT FILES THAT I'VE READ, 192 PAGES HERE AND A LOT FROM VARIOUS ASPECTS.
I THINK A PART OF THIS, A PART OF OUR, THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THE LEAN ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
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UH, AND PERHAPS THERE'S A DISCONNECT IN THE ENGAGEMENT.UM, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
I'VE SEEN THESE TYPE OF SONGS AND DANCE, AND I THINK THAT MAYBE THE EN ENGAGEMENT IN THE LEVEL OF, UM, REACH OUT SHOULD HAVE INCREASED.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MAY HAVE BEEN UNDERNEATH HEAVY OPPOSITION.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME ABOUT OPPOSITION, I KNOW ABOUT OPPOSITION
SO, BUT I DO THINK, UM, THROUGH RESILIENCY IS A PART OF THE, THE COMBATING THIS.
UM, BUT I'M GONNA HAVE THE CITY CLERK ENTER THIS 192 PAGES INTO THE RECORD.
BUT I WANT, WHAT I WANT TO SEE HAPPEN, UH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IS, UM, THAT ENGAGEMENT HAPPENS.
BECAUSE THE REALITY IS, IS THAT ANYTIME THERE'S ANY BUSINESS, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IF IT'S ACROSS THE STREET OR UP OR DOWN ANY CITY LIMIT BUSINESS.
ALL THE TAXPAYERS SUBSIDIZES THAT BUSINESS, UM, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND WE'VE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRANSFER STATION AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE SUPPLEMENT THAT, UM, THAT WILL HAPPEN.
BUT I THINK THE REALITY IS, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, THAT IT DOES COME WITH EVERYONE.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE A PART OF IMPROVEMENT 'CAUSE IT'S A PART OF OUR UTILITY SYSTEM AND A PART OF THAT RATE AND PART OF THAT BUSINESS MODEL WILL BE A LEAN ON OUR, ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO, UM, I'M GONNA ALLOW YOU TO RESPOND, BUT I I JUST KIND OF MY THIS OUTREACH THAT NORMALLY I THINK TYPICALLY TYPICAL BUSINESSES, THEY, THEY REACH OUT TO THAT AREA AND THEN THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
I THINK THIS WAS WHAT WAS GOING ON.
YOU REACHED OUT TO THAT, THAT RADIUS OF AREA AND YOU COULD TELL ME FROM RIGHT OR WRONG, YOU REACHED OUT TO THAT RADIUS OF AREA AND THAT WAS THE FEEDBACK BASED ON THAT RADIUS OF AREA.
AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO ME TODAY IS THAT, UM, A SINGLE RESIDENT OR PEOPLE REACHED OUT TO A LARGER RADIUS OF THE AREA OF CHANDLER TO GET MORE BUY-IN AND THIS IS WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY AND THIS IS WHY THE, THE NUMBERS WERE LOW.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT DO YOU THINK THAT YOU STILL NEED TO CONTINUE TO REACH OUT AND TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS IN THE LARGER AREAS SO THAT WAY THEY CAN HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING VERSUS COMING TO COUNCIL AND SAYING, WE'RE READY FOR OUR CASE TO GO THROUGH.
DO YOU THINK THERE SHOULD BE MORE OUTREACH OUT THERE AND GETTING THAT BUY-IN VERSUS COMING TO US? BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF, WE'RE IN A DELICATE DANCE RIGHT NOW.
YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO SOMETHING THAT OUR VOTERS ARE SAYING NO TO, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE DANCE THAT YOU'RE ASKING US IN THE HIERARCHY.
YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS.
IT DON'T REALLY MATTER ABOUT ME.
IT MATTERS ABOUT WHAT THEY SAY.
AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UN I'M JUST TRYING TO, AND THIS IS NOT ME TRYING TO LECTURE YOU.
I KNOW YOU'RE A VERY INTELLIGENT PERSON.
I JUST KIND OF WANNA KNOW THERE IS A BIG MISS AND, AND I SEE IT AND I CAN'T IGNORE IT.
LIKE IF I COULD, I WOULD, I CAN'T EVEN IGNORE IT'S IN MY FACES ON MY SOCIAL MEDIA.
I MEAN, THEY FOLLOW ME IN THE GROCERY STORE AND TOLD ME, MAKE SURE YOU VOTE NO
I MEAN, THAT'S THE INTENSE LEVEL THAT WE'VE HAD.
SO I PLEASE, NO OFFENSE, PLEASE.
SO I JUST KIND OF WANT TO ASK YOU, DO YOU THINK YOU'RE READY TODAY TO BRING THIS FORWARD OR DO YOU THINK THAT MAYBE YOU SHOULD SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME WITH THE RESIDENTS IN EXPLAINING TO THEM WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO, HOW THAT WORKS? GET ALL THE NUMBERS COME WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT YOUR VIABLE BUSINESS PLAN.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING, DO YOU THINK IT'D BE POSSIBLE IF YOU WENT BACK OUT THERE AND TALKED TO 'EM, YOU THINK THAT COULD BE POSSIBLE? AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF GET ON THE SAME PAGE AND ANSWER AND ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS BEFORE YOU BRING IT TO US? DO YOU THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE? CERTAINLY.
I THINK IT, I THINK YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT AND IT, IT IS POSSIBLE.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS WE HAVE TO PERFORM WITH THE TIMEFRAME THAT SRP GIVES US.
SO THAT'S WHAT PROPELS IT FORWARD AT THIS MOMENT TODAY WITH, UM, IN A DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE OF THAT SORT OF, UM, DEADLINE LUM OVER US, THAT THERE WOULD'VE BEEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO MORE OF THAT.
ADAM, YOU'RE A GREAT ATTORNEY.
I THINK THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO ME TODAY IS, IS I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE A TIMEFRAME, BUT ALSO IF WE DON'T CONSIDER WHAT THEY'RE SAYING TODAY AND AND YOUR BUSINESS TIMELINE OFTENTIMES IN, IN THIS BUSINESS, IT DOESN'T ALWAYS MATCH.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION THAT COULD COME WITH SRP, PERHAPS THAT'S ANOTHER CONVERSATION FOR A DIFFERENT DAY.
BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO PUT OUR CUSTOMERS FIRST.
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO PUT OUR RESIDENTS FIRST.
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO PUT THEIR VOICES FIRST.
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO PUT THEIR CONCERNS FIRST.
PUTTING ASIDE THE BUSINESS MODEL, PUT THEM FIRST.
I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY THE BEST APPROACH.
AND GUESS WHAT, MAYBE, MAYBE THERE IS, MAYBE THERE IS A, A WIN A WIN SOLUTION FOR YOU.
BUT TODAY YOU'RE ASKING ME TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE
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OF YOUR TIMELINE.IT'S GONNA REALLY BE HARD FOR ME TO KIND OF, I'M TRYING TO GET THERE WITH YOU TODAY.
I'M, I'M STAYING OPEN-MINDED, BUT IT'S REALLY HARD.
I HAVEN'T HEARD HOW THAT HAPPENS TONIGHT WITH ALL THESE INDIVIDUALS.
WHETHER THEY'RE RIGHT, WRONG, OR INDIFFERENT, THEY STILL HAVE SO MANY CONCERNS ON THE, AND AND I PROBABLY HAVE MORE CONCERNS JUST LISTENING, BUT JUST CAN YOU TALK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT? I WANNA ALLOW YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY.
COUNCILMAN HARRIS? I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU WANT ME TO SAY
THIS IS A PROJECT THAT DESERVES GREATER OUTREACH BEYOND WHAT I THINK THE MELLON REQUIREMENT IS.
I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THE EXPEDIENCY IN WHICH WE HAVE TO PROCEED.
ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES ARE THE FACTS SHOULD SPEAK FOR THE CASE.
AND I CAN APPRECIATE WHERE YOUR DIRECTIVE IS AS A COUNCIL MEMBER RESPONDING TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU FEEL IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR YOU.
ALL I WANNA DO IS PRESENT A GOOD LAND USE CASE AND THE FACTS THAT SUPPORT THE LAND USE CASE.
ONE THAT WILL BE NOTED AS WE PROCEED, IF WE PROCEED OR ANOTHER CASE IN THE FUTURE.
YEAH, I JUST, UM, I'M GONNA SAY THIS, THERE'S EVERY PERSON THAT COMES INTO OUR COMMUNITY, NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE, UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE IN GOVERNMENT.
OUR JOB IS TO GIVE OUR VOTERS THE BEST QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE CAN GIVE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT WAS JUST ONE PERSON HERE, UM, HAVING ISSUES ABOUT NOISE OR ABOUT WATER OR ABOUT THESE THINGS, I WOULD PROBABLY STILL MOVE THE SAME WAY BECAUSE THAT'S MY JOB IS TO AMPLIFY THEIR VOICE.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT HERE ON THE DIETS AND HAVE IT AMPLIFIED.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING TONIGHT.
AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME PERSONALLY.
I HAVE A LOT OF PERSONAL FEELINGS AND OPINIONS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M HERE TO DO TONIGHT.
TONIGHT IS TO DO A JOB, WHICH IS TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF CHANDLER AND, AND THAT MY AMPL, MY AMPLIFYING OF THEIR VOICES HEARD TONIGHT AND MY VOICE IS REDUCED.
SO IT DOESN'T EVEN REALLY MATTER TO ME.
UH, I DO LIVE IN THAT AREA TOO.
I PROBABLY HAVE A SEPARATE OPINION, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I DIDN'T OPT OUT OF THIS, THIS CONVERSATION.
UM, BUT I WILL JUST SAY THIS TO YOU.
I THINK THAT, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE UP AGAINST THE WATER AND UNDERSTAND.
I I WOULD THINK THAT TO ME, A A BETTER DIRECTION WOULD BE, UM, TO GO TALK TO THE VOTERS BECAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU CHOOSE TO CONTINUE ON AND THINGS DOESN'T LOOK THAT GREAT RIGHT NOW, BUT IF YOU CONTINUE TO MOVE ON, YOU'RE NOT GONNA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REALLY, UM, REALLY HEAR FROM THEM.
AND I HEAR THAT, JEFF, YOU WANNA COME INTO COMMUNITY AND YOU WANNA DO SOME AMAZING THINGS.
LET THIS BE YOUR FIRST STEP FORWARD IN DOING THOSE AMAZING THINGS THAT I HEAR THAT YOU WANT TO DO.
'CAUSE I THINK TO ME, THAT'S A SIGN OF GOOD FAITH AND I THINK THAT WOULD LEND GOOD FAITH TO EVERYONE THAT YOU REALLY WANNA DO THOSE THINGS.
IF WE FORGET ABOUT THE MONEY, FORGET ABOUT BIG BUSINESS, JUST TO FOCUS ON THE PEOPLE, GET THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO GET TO COME BACK TO US WITH SOMETHING THAT FOCUS, THAT ALSO ADDS THE PEOPLE IN, IN THEIR VOICE.
I THINK THAT CAN BE ANOTHER OPEN ANOTHER DAY FOR A A, A GREATER CONVERSATION.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WANNA RESPOND OR ANYTHING.
YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.
YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I READ ALL HUNDRED 94TH, IT'S ON THE WEB, SO I THINK IT'S ALREADY IN THE RECORD, IN ITS SEARCH, RIGHT? SEE, I THINK IT'S YOUR JOB TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE FACTS, NOT NECESSARILY IN MOTION.
FOR INSTANCE, IN THOSE LETTERS THERE'S 200 AND SOMETHING TIMES WHERE IT TALKED ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE USING AN ABUNDANT AMOUNT OF WATER.
ALL THESE FACTS, WHICH WE'VE NOT ONLY HAVE WE SAID WE'RE GONNA DO IT, WE'RE LEGALLY BINDING OURSELF TO DO IT WHERE WE ARE NOT GOING TO USE WATER FOR COOLING.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE USING 12 ON AVERAGE A MILLION GALLONS A MONTH TO COOL AN EMPTY BUILDING, DID THE BACK OF THE ENVELOPE CALCULATION, 1500 EMPLOYEES, 30 GALLONS A DAY.
WHEN NORTHROP WAS, WAS OPERATIONAL, THEY WERE USING 17 MILLION GALLON IN ADDITIONAL GALLONS JUST FOR THEIR DOMESTIC USE BEFORE THEY USED A SINGLE GALLON FOR ANY OF THE PROCESS.
SO THAT BUILDING WAS LIKELY USING IN EXCESS OF 30 MILLION GALLONS A YEAR.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FACTS THAT WE'VE PRESENTED TO YOU AND THE LEGALLY BINDING AGREEMENT THAT WE'VE AGREED TO, WHERE WE'VE LOOKED AT WHAT ARE THE RISKS TO, TO THE CITY AND CITY STAFF DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF, OF TWISTING OUR ARM, OF GETTING US TO THIS AREA OF NEGOTIATING A VERY GOOD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT, THAT THAT, UM, DE-RISKS A LOT OF, OF THE RISKS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
SO WHEN I READ THROUGH THOSE, I SAW A LOT OF FACTS THAT WERE REPEAT OF A MAILING THAT WENT OUT OR THAT WAS POSTED ON NEXTDOOR ON FACEBOOK,
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WHATEVER MAY BE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MAKE A DECISION.THEY OR PEOPLE ARE GONNA SEND THOSE FOR WHAT THEY READ.
COULD WE HAVE GONE OUT TO THE WOMAN THAT WAS ON CHANNEL 12 THIS MORNING, LIVES SEVEN MILES AWAY ON THAT SIDE? YES.
I THINK ADAM ACTUALLY CORRECTED WHEN WE WENT OUT FOR THE NOTICE.
ORIGINALLY IT WAS A QUARTER MILE THAT THE CITY TOLD YOU, AND WE WENT OUT TO THE HALF A MILE AS REQUIRED FOR THE PAD AND THERE IS NO, UM, LIMITATION TO HOW MUCH WE WENT OUT THERE.
AND I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP AT OUR MEETINGS, SOME OF 'EM CAME IN AGAINST THE PROJECT, BUT ONCE THEY TALKED WITH US AND UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE WERE DOING, THEY KIND OF, THEY KIND OF CAME BACK AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS A REASONABLE REDEVELOPMENT.
WE DON'T HIDE OUR INFORMATION'S ON THE WEB.
PEOPLE COULD EASILY HAVE EMAILED ME.
THERE'S REPORTERS IN THE ROOM THAT EMAILED ME, HOUNDED ME FOR THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS FOR, FOR, UH, FOR COMMENTS.
THEY EASILY COULD HAVE REACHED OUT, BUT THEY GET A PIECE OF INFORMATION IN THE, IN, IN THE MAIL AND THEY BELIEVE IT AS GOSPEL WHEN IT'S FULL OF FACTS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY TRUE.
UM, JENNIFER HOPKINS, COUNCIL MEMBER.
HEY GUYS, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT.
APPRECIATE IT ALL THE, UH, INFORMATION AND FEEDBACK YOU'VE PROVIDED.
I BELIEVE I HAVE ALL OF MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED AT THIS POINT, SO NO PROBLEM.
I GUESS STILL ME, DON'T GO AWAY.
I, UM, I DID, UM, JUST ONE OF YOUR SLIDES.
I I THINK THE GALLIUM NITRITE IS ABOUT A HUNDRED JOBS, NOT 750.
SO NXP IS NOT SHUTTING DOWN IN CHANDLER, IT'S JUST THIS ONE APPLICATION OF 5G IS MY UNDERSTANDING ON THAT.
SO IN CASE YOU'RE PRESENTING THIS IN THE FUTURE, OTHERWISE, UM, REALLY THE ONLY, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION HERE AND, AND THANK YOU GUYS.
THIS ISN'T EASY FOR YOU GUYS BEING HERE AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'VE DONE AND THE WORK YOU'RE DOING.
I DO WANNA KNOW IT JUST JOBS IN THE DATA CENTER.
YOU BROUGHT UP THE WHOLE PICTURE OF THE ENTIRE SITE.
SO THE IMMEDIATE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING BEFORE THE REST OF THIS STUFF COMES IN? WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR BEST GUESS? MR. ZIGLER? THAT'D BE THE, THE DATA CENTER PLUS THE BUILDING DIRECTLY NORTH IT TWO STORIES.
OH, THE DATA CENTER AND THEN I THINK IT'S IN THE, WHAT'S YOUR BEST GUESS? WE HAVE IT IN THE, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, DATA CENTER SOMEWHERE IN THE 50 TO 80.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE AGAIN, IT, I GUESS IT'S IT'S TB TO B2B DECIDED THOSE ARE FTES ON SITE.
THAT'S NOT THE ANCILLARY JOBS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH SURE.
SERVICE PROVIDERS AND THOSE, THE ONE IN THE NORTH IS, YOU KNOW, UH, MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE, TWO PER THOUSAND JOBS.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT, AT THIS POINT.
YOU'VE, UH, YOU'RE, YOU, YOU'RE PROBABLY, UH, BEEN ROASTED.
YOU'RE ALMOST, I COULD STICK A PIN IN YOU AND YOU'D BE DONE.
BUT WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO TO THAT AND THEN, UM, MR. BALL CERTAINLY GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO TALK AT THE END.
I'M GONNA START WITH SINCE SOME REVIEW FILLED OUT COMMENT CARDS RATHER THAN TALKING.
AND, UH, I'M GONNA READ THESE.
SO, TRAVIS WHITE CENTER IS A HUGE DRAW ON OUR CHANDLER ELECTRIC WATER, NO BENEFIT.
UM, LISA WRIGHT, AS A LONGTIME CHANDLER RESIDENT, I STRONGLY OPPOSE THE DATA CENTER.
ARIZONA'S LIMITED WATER SUPPLY SHOULD NOT BE STRAINED.
THIS SHOULD ONLY CAUSE HARDSHIP ON CHANDLER RESIDENTS CAUSING, UH, LESS RESOURCES, HIGHER WATER.
ELECTRIC BILLS FOR US DO, UH, I'LL STOP THERE.
I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO NEGATIVE ON PEOPLE.
UM, RACHEL WRIGHT, THE AI DATA CENTER WOULD NOT PROVIDE TANGIBLE OR INTANGIBLE BENEFITS TO CHANDLER RESIDENTS.
THE ONLY PEOPLE BEING BENEFITED ARE CORPORATIONS AND THOSE BEING PAID BY THEM.
THE AI DATA CENTER WOULD IN FACT, UM, HARM CHANDLER RESIDENTS IS IT WOULD, IT WOULD CREATE A SCARCITY OF ELECTRICITY WATER FOR THE AVERAGE RESIDENT THAT IS COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY.
UH, KATHLEEN CHEN HEAVILY OPPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF AN AI DATA CENTER BEING APPROVED IN THE CITY OF CHANDLER.
THIS DECISION DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT INCREASED ELECTRIC BILLS, NOISE, LIGHT WATER POLLUTION, ET CETERA, THAT WOULD NEGATIVELY BE AFFECT CHANDLER CITIZENS.
THE DATA CENTER IS NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING POSITIVE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
IT WILL USE OUR RESOURCES AND ONLY TEMPORARILY CREATE,
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UH, I'M SORRY,UH, THIS SECTION IS GROWING INSANELY FAST AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OR NO RESEARCH OR LEGISLATION TO PROTECT CITIZENS WHO LIVE IN CHANDLER AND SURROUNDING AREAS.
THE POWER THAT THE DATA CENTER USE WILL CAUSE BLACKOUTS, DROUGHTS, OR WORSE THE SOMETHING CITIZENS OR RESOURCES, WATER, ET CETERA.
THEY'RE HIDDEN AND UNMITIGATED CHANGES.
I IMAGINE THE INFRASTRUCTURE COST AND UPGRADES ARE ALREADY SEE THESE EXPERIENCING THESE ISSUES.
JUDITH COBURN SUGGESTING A MORATORIUM ON DATA CENTERS UNTIL POWER OPTIONS PAID BY THE DATA CENTERS ARE DISCUSSED.
I THOUGHT WE DISCUSSED THAT HERE.
AI IS DESIRING BLANKET LIABILITY PROTECTION.
IT'S CENTRALIZED AND STATES ARE BEING FORBIDDEN TO BE ABLE TO REGULATE IT.
THE AMOUNT OF WATER AND POWER THIS WILL USE IS IMMEASURABLE.
LISA PALUMBO, SORRY, I DIDN'T SAY YOUR NAME FIRST.
WATER USE IS INAPPROPRIATE, ESPECIALLY SINCE NO LONG-TERM JOBS WILL BE PROVIDED.
JULIE SAKOWSKI, ASIDE FROM REAPING, REGAINING THE BENEFITS OF DATA CENTERS TO INFRASTRUCTURE IS SPECULATION.
THE CONS OUTWEIGH THE BENEFITS.
PATRICIA RIN, WE SHOULDN'T GIVE PEOPLE, UM, THESE, THESE
THEY'RE SAYING SMALLER, IT'S JUST THEY'RE HARD TO WRITE.
THEY HARD TO READ WHEN THEY KIND OF GLOM TOGETHER WITH SHARPIES.
I'M AGAINST THE, THE DATA CENTER BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY IT WILL TAKE IN THE WATER WE USE PATRICIA HELEN, SARAH ALLEN AI OH, GREAT PENMANSHIP.
AI DATA CENTERS CONSUME MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF WATER.
WE'RE EXPERIENCING CLIMATE CHANGE IN THE COLORADO RIVER BASIN.
STATES STILL HAVE NOT BEEN RESOLVED.
THE WATER ALLOTMENT ISSUES ARE, ARE FOUND A WAY TO SHARE OUR LIMITED RESOURCES OF THE COLORADO RIVER.
SARAH, GIVE LESSONS ON PENMANSHIP TO US
HAVE YOU VISITED A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A DATA CENTER TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE LIVING NEARBY? HAVE YOU RESCHEDULED THE EN NVIDIA BLACK WELL CHIP THAT WILL REQUIRE MORE ENERGY AND WATER.
HAVE YOU RESEARCHED, I'M SORRY, NOT RESCHEDULED.
UH, DEBORAH NAKOTA WERE OPPOSED TO WATER USAGE, NOISE POLLUTION, ENERGY OVERLOAD, AND EXTRA COST TO RESIDENTS.
THEY'RE NOT TAXES EXEMPT FROM SALES TAX.
JUST BECAUSE WE CAN BUILD SOMETHING, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD PLEASE PROTECT OUR WATER HEALTH.
DO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH PROPOSED CENTER.
THE AMOUNT OF JOBS ADDED WILL NOT BE WORTH THE ADDITIONAL DAMAGE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE JOBS CREATED WILL BE TEMPORARY.
THE AMOUNT OF WATER USED TO COOL WILL CONTINUE.
THE THE DATA CENTER IS GOING TO INCREASE ENEMY NEEDS AND CAUSE TAXPAYERS MONEY WHILE THEY PROVIDE ZERO BENEFITS.
AS A RESIDENT OF CHANDLER BORN AND RAISED, I'M WRITING TO SAY NO TO A, TO DATA CENTERS TO BE BUILT HERE AND USING OUR RESOURCES.
IF YOU CARE FOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS, YOU'LL REJECT THIS PROPOSITION.
UH, DIANA HUNG I OPPOSE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE DATA BUILDINGS IN CHANDLER.
RACHEL QUE I OPPOSE THE DATA CENTER DUE TO CONCERNS ABOUT ENERGY BILLS ENVIRONMENT, POTENTIAL HEALTH IMPACTS.
DANIEL FELIX, I'M AGAINST POLLUTION AND INCREASED ENERGY COSTS.
NO ONE REZONING FOR AI DATA CENTER AND THE HOOF HOFER STRONGLY OPPOSE ENVIRONMENTAL RISK, WATER POWER, COST EMPLOYMENT.
MOHAMED K OPPOSE SUE MCINTURF CONCERNED WITH NOISE ARE THE PROPOSED 1000 JOBS IN AZ
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AND ARE THE JOBS AT THIS FACILITY? UNKNOWN PERSON, I'M NOT GONNA READ IF IT'S NOT A NAME ON THERE.I OPPOSE BUILDING AND AI DATA CENTER IN CHANDLER.
WE DON'T HAVE WATER, ELECTRICITY, RESOURCES AND RESIDENCE WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD ELECTRICITY IN THE SUMMER.
WE CAN'T JUSTIFY AI DATA CENTERS IN THE DESERTS.
JOSH ESKI ALREADY ZONED ONE WAY AND DATA CENTERS WON'T PRODUCE THAT MANY JOBS.
LISA ESKI PLEASE SAY NO TO DATA CENTER THEN HOME.
CONSTRUCTING A DATA CENTER ON PRICE ROAD WILL BE A USE SOMETHING USE OF LAND AND IT WOULD NOT CREATE AS MANY JOBS AS WE'RE THINKING INNOVATIVE SECTORS AND IT WON'T BE SUSTAINABLE.
RYAN FOSTER IS A HOMEOWNER IN
I OPPOSE THE CONSTRUCTION OF, UH, OF DC SO CLOSE TO THE COMMUNITY.
THESE ARE, THAT WAS HIS SUPPORT.
THE PROPOSAL WILL NEGATIVELY AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY RESOURCES AND I WOULD RATHER INVEST IN SUSTAINABLE AND RENEWABLE RESOURCES.
I'M OPPOSED TO THE IA DATA CENTER.
WE NEED TO FILL THAT SPACE WITH MANUFACTURING OR BUSINESS THAT PROVIDES JOBS OR TOO MANY DATA CENTERS IN THE AREA.
I AM OPPOSED TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF A DATA CENTER BECAUSE THIS IS A BOONDOGGLE.
WILL THAT NOT BENEFIT ANYONE EXCEPT TECH BILLIONAIRES WHO DO NOT LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY? PLEASE WATCH EITHER THE MUSIC MAN OR THE MONORAIL EPISODE OF THE SIMPSONS
THANK YOU DAVID FOR THE COMIC RELIEF.
I GREW UP HERE AND NOW HAVE SO MANY ME MEMORIES AT CITY EVENTS.
AS ADULTS, I WORK WITH THE NEXT GENERATION AND THEY DESERVE THE SAME, IF NOT BETTER.
ANOTHER DATA CENTER WILL DIVERT RESOURCES AND HAVE CATASTROPHIC HEALTH, ENVIRONMENTAL AND FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR TWO YEARS.
THIS CITY IS SUCH AN AMAZING CULTURE.
THE DATA CENTER WILL NOT IMPROVE, BUT ABSOLUTELY DESTROY IT.
THESE COMPANIES ARE FULL OF EMPTY PROMISES, SHORT TERM SOLUTIONS THAT ARE NOT SUSTAINABLE.
PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO RUIN OUR COMMUNITY.
ED WARNOCK THE DATA CENTER IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT IS IN THE MASTER PLAN.
WE NEED MORE HOUSING, NOT A DATA CENTER THAT WILL TAKE MONEY AND ELECTRICITY.
CARLA HOFER OPPOSED? UH, MCKAYLA QUINN, I URGE COUNSEL TO OPPOSE THE PROPOSED DATA CENTER.
IT IS NOT A GOOD DEAL FOR CHANDLER RIGHTS.
UH, DATA CENTERS ARE HIGH ENERGY USERS WHICH INCREASE RATES FOR UTILITIES RATE PAYERS.
UNCERTAIN HOW MUCH H2O ED NASSAR, RAZA DATA CENTERS WILL TAKE AWAY VALUABLE WATER RESOURCES.
IT'S LIKELY INCREASE WATER RATES.
THERE WILL BE ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER FOR CHANDLER, ARIZONA.
WERE NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED AI DATA CENTER.
DUE TO THE FACTS THAT WATER AND ELECTRIC BILLS FOR RESIDENTS WILL SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE WATER IN THE DESERT IS SCARCE.
THERE MUST BE PUSH ACT ON THIS INITIATIVE.
DEBORAH VARNEY, OUR FAMILY OPPOSES THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DATA CENTER.
IT IS CONCERNING FOR THE ELECTRIC BILL, POWER GRID STRAIN, WATER WASTE IN THE DESERT, UH, JOBS, AIR QUALITY, ET CETERA.
WE OPPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN AI DATA CENTER THAT HAS, WE ALREADY HAVE 10 DATA CENTERS AND THE AI DATA CENTER IS NOT THE SAME.
THIS WILL NOT BRING MANY JOBS.
TAKE UP A LOT OF SPACE TO ONLY CONSUME MORE ENERGY.
WATER THAT ADON ZONA DOES NOT HAVE.
RAISE RATES, UH, FOR RESIDENTS.
WHILE I DO THINK AI CAN HELP CERTAIN WAYS IT IMPACTS CURRENTLY ARE JUST SO TOXIC, UM,
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SPREADING LATE BY SOCIAL MEDIA USERS WITHOUT HAVING TO WRITE IT THEMSELVES.TAKING CREATIVITY, SOUL AND PASSION FROM ARTISTS AND WRITERS LIKE MYSELF.
I POURED MY HEART AND SOUL INTO THAT STUFF.
OH, I ACCIDENTALLY, HE DOESN'T LIKE THEM
I'M A STUDENT AT CGCC COLLEGE STUDYING IT.
PLEASE INVEST MORE IN LOCAL JOB CREATIONS.
I THINK THE ZONING AND CONSTRUCTION OF DATA CENTERS AND CHANDLER WILL DRIVE MONEY AWAY FROM LOCAL RESIDENTS AFTER TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION JOBS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
SO WE WILL BE LEFT WITH VERY FEW PERMANENT POSITIONS.
SARAH SCOOTER, THESE ITEMS ARE SOMETHING IN GO AGAINST CHANDLER'S BEST INTEREST.
NOT TO MENTION THIS WAS VOTED ON BY THE PEOPLE.
IT NEEDS TO CHANGE A GENERAL, UM, ELECTION.
I'M A LONG TIME RESIDENT FROM CHANDLER AND THE CITY HAS BECOME MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE.
THESE CENTERS WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO RAISE PRICES FOR RESIDENTS NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT.
ANDY HOFER OPPOSES WILLIAM, UM, FOR AN ACA IL NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION.
OPPOSES AND, UM, HE HAS A NUMBER, UM, A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS THAT I'M NOT GOING TO READ AT THIS POINT.
ALRIGHT, WE ARE NOW AT THE MAYOR, SPEAKING MAYOR.
I WANTED MY 192 PAGES READ INTO THE RECORD TOO.
THEY DID NOT SHOW UP TO FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD.
UH, PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVE SKIN IN THIS GAME.
UM, I'M GONNA GIVE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, IF YOU'RE STILL HERE UP TO TWO MINUTES, I ENCOURAGE YOU.
I I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THE GENERAL THOUGHT.
UH, YOU CAN EASILY SAY, I'M AGAINST THIS AND WE WILL UNDERSTAND JUST THE SAME.
SO THE FIRST ONE UP IS JASON DOMSON.
IF YOU'D COME UP AND STATE WHAT CITY YOU LIVE IN.
NEXT WILL BE ALBERT VILLA PANDO AFTER HIM.
SO YOU HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES WHEN IT TURNS YELLOW WRAP UP.
STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE.
UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
MY NAME IS JASON DEMPSEY AND I AM HERE TO VOICE MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE REZONING REQUESTS THAT WOULD ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW DATA CENTER FACILITY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I CURRENTLY LIVE IN SAN TAN VALLEY.
ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT STRENGTHS OF THIS PROJECT IS A COMMITMENT TO USING UNION LABOR THROUGHOUT THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.
BUILDING A DATA CENTER IS NOT A TYPICAL CONSTRUCTION EFFORT.
IT REQUIRES ADVANCED ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS, HIGHLY PRECISE COOLING INFRASTRUCTURE, STRICT SAFETY PLANNING, AND COMPLEX MECHANICAL INSTALLATIONS.
THESE ARE AREAS WHERE UNION LABOR EXCELS.
THE TRAINING, CERTIFICATION AND PROFESSIONALISM THAT UNION TRADES PEOPLE BRING TO THE JOB ENSURE THAT PROJECT OF THIS TECHNICAL CALIBER IS BUILT SAFELY, EFFICIENTLY, AND TO THE HIGHEST STANDARDS.
THERE ARE SEVERAL CLEAR BENEFITS TO RELYING ON UNION LABOR.
FIRST, THE QUALITY AND PRECISION OF THE WORK UNION WORKERS.
COMPLETE RIGOROUS APPRENTICESHIPS AND ONGOING EDUCATION, WHICH LEADS TO CONSISTENT CRAFTSMANSHIP AND FEWER DELAYS WITH REWORK.
SECOND, SAFETY DATA CENTER CONSTRUCTION INVOLVES HIGH VOLTAGE ELECTRICAL WORK AND SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT.
AND UNION CREWS FOLLOW PROVEN SAFETY PRACTICES THAT REDUCE RISK ON THE JOB SITE.
THIRD, RELIABILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY UNIONS PROVIDE A STEADY QUALIFIED WORKFORCE FROM START TO FINISH, HELPING KEEP THE SCHEDULE ON TRACK AND GUARANTEEING THAT ALL CODE AND ENVIRONMENTAL AND PERFORMANCE CENTERS ARE MET BEYOND CONSTRUCTION.
THIS PROJECT ALSO OFFERS LONG-TERM ECONOMIC BENEFITS.
DATA CENTERS GENERATE SUBSTANTIAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUE WHILE PLACING MINIMAL DEMAND ON CITY SERVICES.
THEY HAVE LOW TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND SERVE AS A QUIET EFFICIENT LAND USES THAT COMPLEMENT SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT.
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UNION LABOR, THE CITY STRENGTHENS ITS LOCAL WORKFORCE AND REINFORCES A PIPELINE OF SKILLED TRADES THAT WILL SUPPORT FUTURE GROWTH ACROSS CHANDLER.FOR THESE REASONS, I RESPECTFULLY ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE REZONING REQUEST.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
DID WE, DID WE SKIP YELLOW ON THAT ONE? YEAH, MY YELLOW LIGHT DIDN'T WORK, BUT I'LL FIX IT.
UM, UM, ALBERT, I'M GONNA SAVE YOU FOR THE END.
I, LET ME GET THROUGH THESE AND WE'LL END WITH THE TWO POSITIVES, IF THAT'S OKAY.
UM, I DO HAVE A FEW MORE SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS.
I HEAVILY OPPOSE THE BUILDING OF THE AI DATA CENTERS IN CHANDLER AS A CHANDLER RESIDENT, ESPECIALLY AS IT IMPACTS THE UTILITIES OF RESIDENTS AND USES WATER AND NEEDS IN A DESERT STATE.
HARLEY CONE DATA CENTERS ARE DAMAGING TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND TAXPAYERS ARE MOSTLY THERE FOR THEIR BASIC NEEDS.
I STRONGLY OPPOSE THE BUILDING OF A DATA CENTER IN CHANDLER, UM, CHRISTO JIMENEZ AGAINST ATO WATER AND ENERGY RESOURCES IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.
SARAH COVEY, SHE'S STILL HERE.
I WILL, I'LL GO TO THE NEXT AND WE'LL PULL HER UP NEXT.
SARAH, NEXT ONE UP WILL BE NOAH JAMES.
UM, SARAH STATES YOUR NAME AND THE MUNICIPALITY YOU CALL HOME, YOU HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES TO SHARE, BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN JUST DO LESS.
I CURRENTLY LIVE IN TEMPE, ARIZONA, BUT I, I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN CHANDLER AND I'VE LIVED THERE LIKE OVER 20 YEARS.
MY FAMILY'S HOME IS ON DOBSON AND WARNER, SO IT'S NOT TOO FAR AWAY FROM, UM, THIS DATA CENTER.
UM, I PERSONALLY HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE DATA CENTER.
UM, I KNOW THE PRESENTATION ADDRESSED MANY OF THOSE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M STILL CONFUSED ABOUT IS THE SRP PROTECTIONS TO CONSUMERS.
UM, I, I KNOW THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, LIKE THE, IT WAS THE SRP 67 PLAN AND I'M JUST WANTING TO KNOW LIKE THESE PROTECTIONS FOR CONSUMERS, LIKE ARE THEY FOR, UM, A LIFETIME? LIKE HOW LONG IS THAT GOING TO LAST? BECAUSE ARIZONA DOESN'T CURRENTLY HAVE A LAW TO PROTECT CONSUMERS FROM AI CHARGES.
SO I I JUST WONDER LIKE WE'RE KIND OF LEAVING US AT THE WHIM OF THE COMPANY.
UM, SO I'M KIND OF CONFUSED ABOUT, UH, THAT AND WITH, I MEAN THERE, IT DOES LOOK LIKE THERE'S JOB CREATION, BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND WITH AI IN GENERAL, IT KIND OF, AS TIME GOES ON, THERE'S LESS JOBS THAT ARE BEING CREATED BECAUSE THEY'RE BECOMING MORE AUTOMATED.
SO I'M WONDERING LIKE HOW GOOD THAT JOB SECURITY IS AND LIKE WITH THE UNCERTAINTY OF AI IN THE FUTURE, LIKE, IS IS THIS REALLY GONNA MAKE SENSE TO INVEST IN, LIKE, IS THIS DATA CENTER GONNA GO BEYOND LIKE 15 YEARS? IS THAT LIKE REALLY LONG ENOUGH GUARANTEE FOR US TO INVEST IN THIS AS A CITY? AND, UH, BUT THE EVAPORATIVE COOLING TO, I MEAN, SORRY, ARE THE COOLING LIKE THE, THE CLOSED LOOP COOLING? LIKE ARE THEY GOING TO USE ADDITIVES TO TREAT THAT WATER? WHERE IS THAT WASTEWATER GOING TO GO? UM, WITH THE, WITH THE POWER BEING GENERATED BY LIKE THE SUBSTATION, IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT THE AIR QUALITY? THANK, THANK YOU.
AND ADAM, I PRESUME YOU'RE TAKING NOTES IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY ON YOUR FINAL COMMENTS TO ADDRESS.
UM, NOAH, STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT CITY YOU LIVE.
PLEASE SHARE SOMETHING UNIQUE OR SAY YOU AGREE.
ALOHA MAYOR AND TO THE REST OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, MY NAME IS NOAH JAMES MARKHAM AND I RESIDE IN THE GREAT BLUE CITY OF TEMPE.
I HAVE A FEW CONCERNS ABOUT THIS AI DATA CENTER.
UM, AND THIS DILEMMA, IT'S GOING TO PRODUCE A LOT OF JOBS, BUT AS THIS GUY OUT HERE THAT I JUST DON'T SEE ANYTHING, UM, GOOD ABOUT THIS DATA CENTER.
AND THIS GUY HAS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
UM, AND ANOTHER THING, UM, I WOULD, IT'S NOT GONNA PRODUCE ANYTHING HERE.
AND I ALSO HEARD, UM, IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS,
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THEN DONALD TRUMP, THE PRESIDENT, DONALD TRUMP WILL DO SOMETHING HIMSELF AND I DON'T NEED HIS NAME AROUND HERE AT ALL.ALSO, KRISTEN SINEMA, YOU CAME HERE TO SUPPORT BECAUSE WHY? YOU'RE A TRUMP FAN AND YOU SWITCHED FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO INDEPENDENT PARTY TO BEND DOWN TO PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP.
THAT'S WHY YOU GOT BOOTED OUT AFTER YOUR TERM AND REPLACE WITH A NEW DEMOCRAT.
I'M GONNA ASK YOU RELATE TO THE DATA CENTER COMMENTS PLEASE IF YOU CAN.
UM, WASN'T KRISTEN SINEMA HERE SUPPORTING MAYOR? SHE WAS, BUT THAT'S NOT THE MERITS OF THIS CASE THAT YOU'RE ADDRESSING, BUT SHE WAS HERE TO SUPPORT IT.
RIGHT? SHE'S NOT THE CASE, SO SHE'S IMPORTANT TO THIS RIGHT.
MAYOR, SHE'S NOT THE CASE BEFORE US, BUT PLEASE PROCEED.
ALSO, WATER IS VERY LIMITED HERE IN ARIZONA AND WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T JUST BE LIKE, GOD, GIVE US MORE WATER BECAUSE HE WON'T BE BACK TO EARTH TILL HE DOES GET BACK.
MAHALO AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT CITY YOU CALL HOME FOR SURE.
HELLO, MY NAME IS DOMINIQUE CARTER.
I AM RESIDENT OF TEMPE AND THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
ULTIMATELY, THE WATER THIS DATA CENTER CONSUMES IS THE SAME WATER THAT TIM RESIDENTS USE.
SAME WATER THAT ALL RESIDENTS IN ARIZONA USE.
AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WATER'S A VERY PRECIOUS RESOURCE IN THIS DESERT, AND WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR NEW WAYS TO CONSERVE IT RATHER THAN WASTE IT.
THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE POWER CONSUMPTION ISSUE.
THE POWER CONSUMPTION OF THIS NEW DATA CENTER WILL BE GIGANTIC WITH RISING RATES ACROSS THE VALLEY DUE TO SOME, UH, A PS AND SOON TO BE SRP RATE INCREASES.
THE CURRENT AFFORDABILITY CRISIS THAT IS AFFECTING ALL AMERICANS WILL ONLY MAKE THIS ENTIRE SITUATION WORSE.
WE SHOULD NOT BE APPROVING THIS REZONING.
FAMILIES ARE ALREADY STRUGGLING TO PAY FOR RENT, PAY FOR GROCERIES, PAY FOR CHILDCARE, PAY FOR HEALTHCARE.
UM, HAVING TO PAY MORE FOR THE UTILITIES IS NOT GONNA HELP THEM.
THIS DATA CENTER WOULD INCREASE THOSE UTILITY BILLS.
AND BEFORE WE HAD A GENTLEMAN COME UP HERE AND USE SAYING THAT HE WOULD ALLOW THE POLICE TO DO MORE TRAINING ON, ON THEIR GROUNDS, I THINK WHAT THE PEOPLE REALLY NEED IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE FOOD.
WE NEED CITY OWNED GROCERY STORES AND THINGS THAT WILL ACTUALLY HELP THE PEOPLE RATHER THAN SOLUTIONS THAT I, IN MY OPINION, DON'T REALLY HELP THEM.
ALL IN ALL, I THINK ARIZONA DOES NOT NEED ANOTHER DATA CENTER.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT AND REALLY LISTEN TO WHAT YOUR VOTERS ARE SAYING AND REALLY UNDERSTAND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF APPROVING A PLAN LIKE THIS.
CHRISTINA P PR FOLLOWED BY OZZY BROWN, PERHAPS O SOMETHING OB BROWN.
BUT CHRISTINA PR CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND THE CITY YOU'RE FROM AND YOU HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES TO TALK.
I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS VERY BRIEF.
UM, I AM A STUDENT HERE IN CHANDLER.
I WORK IN IT AT THE LOCAL COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
UM, AND I ACTUALLY PLAN TO INTERN HERE AT THE CITY AS WELL.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT I AM A LOCAL RESIDENT.
UM, I ALSO SAY THIS TO EMPHASIZE THAT I AM NOT AGAINST TECHNOLOGY, NOR AM I AGAINST INNOVATION.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME, I'M NOT GOING TO PRETEND THAT I'M SOME SORT OF EXPERT IN AI MACHINE LEARNING DATA CENTERS, OR EVEN SUSTAINABILITY.
UM, BUT WHAT I AM CERTAIN ABOUT IS THAT I'M EXTREMELY PROUD TO BE A CHANDLER RESIDENT, UM, OF OUR CITY'S CONTINUED GROWTH.
AND I CONTINUE TO PLAN AND I PLAN TO BE A RESIDENT HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, I AM AGAINST THE REZONING 'CAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THIS DATA CENTER WILL BE TAKING AWAY FUTURE JOB OPPORTUNITIES FOR CHANDLER STUDENTS.
UM, DATA CENTERS ARE NOTORIOUS FOR HAVING LOW WORKER DENSITY.
ALSO, I, I DID SIT HERE AND I WATCHED THE, THE PRESENTATION.
PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I HEARD THAT THERE WILL BE 30 TO 50 FULL-TIME OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, SO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN 10, 20 YEARS FROM NOW FOR STUDENTS LIKE ME THAT WANNA GET INTO THE LOCAL CHANDLER WORKFORCE AND CHANDLER IS INVESTING IN OUR STUDENTS.
WE WANNA INVEST BACK INTO THE CITY, INTO OUR COMMUNITY, AND, UM, PLEASE CONTINUE TO MAKE DECISIONS TO HELP US DO SO.
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AND, AND WHERE ARE YOU RESIDE, WHICH CITY YOU'RE PART OF.HI, MY NAME IS ORI BROWN AND I'M A TEMPE RESIDENT.
SO WHY DO I CARE? WHY AM I HERE TODAY? I AM A SRP USER.
THIS MEANS THAT THESE COSTS THAT WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTING ME AND MY COMMUNITY AS WELL.
THESE DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE HERE TODAY WILL AFFECT PEOPLE ALL OVER THE VALLEY.
AND IT IS THESE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE PAYING FOR SRP AND OTHER PROVIDERS WHO WILL HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO AFFORD THIS.
IT IS NOT SAFE IN ARIZONA TO JUST NOT TURN ON THE AIR CONDITIONING IN ARIZONA.
IT'S DOABLE DURING THE WINTER.
IT IS NOT ANY OTHER TIME OF THE YEAR, AND I WILL NOT HAVE IT NEARLY AS BAD AS SOMEONE WHO LIVES HERE AND PAYS TAXES HERE.
UNLIKE PEOPLE WHO MAY BE PRESENT HERE TODAY WHO ARE ABLE TO AFFORD IT, I DO NOT SIMPLY WATCH AS MY UTILITIES GO UP.
SRP HAS RAISED ITS RATES EFFECTIVELY EVERY YEAR SINCE 2021, WHICH HAS LED TO AN INCREASE OF 24%.
I DO NOT TURN ON THE POWER BECAUSE OF THIS, EVEN WHEN IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE SAFEST TO BE DOING THAT.
THIS HAS LED TO SEVERAL MEDICAL SCARES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN OKAY TO HAPPEN UNDER ANY REASON, MUCH LESS IN ORDER TO HAVE MORE AI, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE A SURPLUS OF.
AS AN EDUCATOR, I'VE SEEN THE IMPACT OF OUR YOUTH BEING PUT JUST GLUED TO SCREEN ALL DAY INSTEAD OF USING THEIR GROWING BRAINS.
I'VE SEEN EDUCATION, MY EDUCATION AT A SU FALL APART BECAUSE OF THE UNIVERSITY MAKING A CONTRACT WITH OPEN AI.
SO NOW THE PROFESSORS GET PAID MORE IN ORDER TO JUST PROMOTE GENERATIVE AI.
AND WHILE I'M JUST A COLLEGE STUDENT, I AM DEFINITELY NOT AN EXPERT.
I DO NOT, I DO IN FACT KNOW HOW TO LISTEN TO OTHER EXPERTS WHO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVE THAT THESE IMPACTS HAVE BEEN, THAT HAVE BEEN SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN TONIGHT ARE REAL, AND THAT THEY WILL MAKE AN IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITIES.
I HOPE THAT EVERYONE'S SITTING HERE BEFORE ME TODAY FOR THE SAKE OF THEIR JOBS WOULD CHOOSE PEOPLE OVER PROFITS INSTEAD OF THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
NEXT UP, JIM WOLF SWAGGER FOLLOWED BY PATRICIA PEG, PEG, PEG PING PING.
ALL RIGHT, STATE YOUR NAME, WHERE YOU, WHAT CITY YOU LIVE IN.
YOU HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS.
HELLO IS TEAM MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR.
UH, MY NAME IS JIM WOLF SCHWAGER.
I AM A LONGTIME CHANDLER RESIDENT AND A PROUD GRADUATE FROM THE CHANDLER UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UM, AS WELL AS A CURRENT A SU STINT.
I'M SURE THAT YOU'VE HEARD MY CONCERNS BEFORE AND YOU WILL HEAR THEM AGAIN.
UM, THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE POWER BILL, OUR DWINDLING WATER SUPPLY.
HEY, THE POLLUTION LEVEL, THESE ARE ALL CONCERNS THAT THE DAY CENTER IN MY BELIEF HAS NOT ADDRESSED ADEQUATELY ENOUGH.
I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT YOU WILL LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE AND SO MANY AMAZING PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY HAVE STEPPED UP TO SHOW THEIR OPPOSITION.
I KNOW MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM HERE TODAY.
UM, I ALSO FEEL HEARD FOR, HEARD THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR MY TWO DISABLED PARENTS.
WE MOVED HERE IN 2017 BECAUSE OF THE AMAZING AIR QUALITY, THE AMAZING WATER QUALITY OF THE CITY.
AND IT HAS HELPED THEM BOTH IMMENSELY.
THE POLLUTION PROVIDED BY THE STATE CENTER WOULD MAKE US HAVE TO REEVALUATE LIVING IN THE CITY, THE CITY IN WHICH MY PARENTS INTEND TO SPEND THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.
I DO NOT WISH TO DO THAT TO THEM.
SO PLEASE TO LISTEN ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE OVERWHELMINGLY SHOWN THAT THEY OPPOSE THIS TO YOUR VOTERS AND TO FOLKS LIKE MY PARENTS WHO COULD NOT BE IN THIS ESTEEMED BUILDING TONIGHT, I URGE YOU TO VOTE NOW.
I'M SORRY, I CAN'T READ THE, OKAY.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT CITY YOU CALL HOME.
OH, MAYOR COUNCIL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I NEED SARAH'S HANDWRITING LESSON.
I LIVE IN CHANDLER RIGHT NEAR DOBSON AND WARNER.
UM, IF EVERYONE BEHIND ME THAT OPPOSES COULD JUST RAISE THEIR HANDS OR SIGN REALLY HIGH SO THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE, UM, THE LAWYER THAT WAS HERE SPOKE VERY ELOQUENTLY.
GET HIM INTO POLITICS QUICK ABOUT HOW WE'RE JUST HERE BASING EVERYTHING ON EMOTION THAT IS COMPLETELY UNTRUE.
AND WE ONLY NEED FOUR OF YOU TO VOTE NO, THOUGH ALL OF YOU SHOULD AND OPPOSE THIS TERRIBLE PROJECT THAT WILL CONTINUE TO HARM CHANDLER.
THESE AREN'T FAKE FACTS THAT WE'RE GETTING OFF THE INTERNET THAT ARE RANDOM.
WE SEE IN OTHER CITIES, AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
THESE AI DATA CENTERS ARE STEALING RESOURCES.
THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE POLLUTION, NOISE, TOXINS THAT NONE OF THESE RESIDENTS WANT TO SEE.
SO I IMPLORE YOU ALL TO VOTE NO AND OPPOSE THIS
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SO THAT WE ARE NOT HARMING OUR COMMUNITY.AND PLEASE TO THINK OF FUTURE GENERATIONS.
WE ALREADY HAVE 10 DATA CENTERS HERE.
AND YOU WON'T BE IN YOUR SEAT MAYOR OR COUNCIL MEMBERS IN FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION FINALLY BEGINS.
BUT ALL THIS IS PUBLIC RECORD AND WE ALL HAVE A LONG MEMORY.
SO WE WANNA BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR YOU IN OTHER OFFICES EFFECTIVELY AND WITH OUR TRUST.
NEXT GRUBER GRUBER, FOLLOWED BY, UH, JONAH ZAMO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT CITY YOU CALL HOME.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR LISTENING TO ME ABOUT THIS.
I AM A PRESIDENT OF THE CITY OF CHANDLER.
UM, JUST SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP IN RELATION TO THE JOBS WAS THAT IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THERE WOULD BE TWO 75,000 PAY DOLLARS PAYING JOBS PER 1000 OCCUPIABLE FEET IN THE BUILDING.
WHAT IS THAT GOING TO EQUATE TO ACTUALLY FOR THOSE JOBS? THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE CLEARLY SAID NO, NO MEANS NO.
AND I HOPE, AND I WISH THAT YOU WOULD LISTEN TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS HERE IN THE CITY OF CHANDLER BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO HAVE A GREAT IMPACT ON US IN THE FUTURE.
JONAH ZAMORA, FOLLOWED BY CHEYENNE OLSON.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT CITY YOU CALL HOME.
HELLO, MY NAME'S JOANNA ZAMORA.
THANK YOU MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE OUR OPINION ON THE DATA CENTERS.
I JUST WANNA THANK YOU GUYS FOR ACTUALLY CARING ABOUT US AND PROTECTING THE COMMUNITY.
I CAN SEE IT IN EACH ONE OF YOU THAT YOU DO ACTUALLY CARE.
SO IT'S VERY REFRESHING TO SEE THAT THAT EXISTS AT A LOCAL LEVEL AT LEAST.
UM, AND I WANNA THANK YOU GUYS FOR ASKING THE TOUGH QUESTIONS TOO AND, UH, GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
AND ALSO I WANT TO ENCOURAGE, UM, ADAM AND THE GENTLEMAN FROM NEW YORK.
WE AREN'T OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY, IT'S JUST IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE.
IT'S OKAY TO INVEST IN DEVELOPMENTS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO SUSTAINABILITY, UM, ENVIRONMENTALLY THAT CONTRIBUTE TO ECONOMIC STABILITY.
IT'S OKAY TO INVEST IN PROJECTS LIKE THAT.
DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO BE ABOUT PROFIT.
AND I THINK THAT YOU GUYS KNOW THAT TOO.
SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING ON OUR SIDE.
OH, AND ALSO OBVIOUSLY, I, I OPPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT.
NEXT UP CHEYENNE OLSON, FOLLOWED BY JUDITH COLBURN.
ALRIGHT, I'LL SAVE IT IN CASE SHE COMES BACK.
JUDITH COLBURN, FOLLOWED BY JULIO LOPEZ.
JULIO LOPEZ, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, WHAT CITY YOU CALL HOME.
I LIVE IN TEMPE, BUT I GREW UP IN CHANDLER.
MY PARENTS LIVE IN CHANDLER, LIKE FIVE MINUTES AWAY FROM HERE.
UM, I HAD THIS LIKE, LONG LIST OF THINGS THAT I WAS GONNA READ, BUT INSTEAD I WANNA ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, UH, UM, BY THE INDIVIDUALS BEHIND US.
THE SUITS, UH, IN REGARDS TO WATER, 78,000 GALLONS A DAY IS THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT 260 HOUSEHOLDS CONSUME DAILY.
UH, WHICH IS NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT CONSIDERING WE IN ONE OF THE DRIEST PLACES ON EARTH.
UM, ALLAH WAS MADE ABOUT THE WATER THAT'S BEING USED IN THE CURRENT VACANT LOT.
I MEAN, EASY SOLUTION, TURN DOWN THE BUILDING, TURN IT INTO A PARK, A REFUGE, SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA COOL DOWN THE AREA.
CONSIDER THAT THERE'S ALREADY 10 DATA CENTERS THERE.
UM, I'M GLAD THAT POLICE TRAINING WAS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE AI IS INCREASINGLY BEING USED FOR MASS SURVEILLANCE, WHICH IS ENCROACHING ON OUR FREEDOM.
WHICH AMERICANS AUDIENCE PLEASE.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, YOU ASKED ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO WITH THE BUILDING BEFORE IT GETS OPERATIONAL AND THEY HAVE, UH, TENANTS.
AI, LIKE YOU SAID, IS A BUBBLE.
THERE'S TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS CIRCULATING BETWEEN THE CHIP MAKERS.
THE TECH COMPANIES ARE DEVELOPING THE LANGUAGE MODELS AND CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES.
THEY'RE BUILDING DATA CENTERS BECAUSE IT'S PROFITABLE TO BUILD A DATA CENTER WHETHER THEY HOUSE SOMEONE
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OR NOT.UH, THE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT WHAT AI IS, IS A GLORIFIED PATTERN MATCHING TOOL, WHICH IS GREAT AT MAKING MONEY FROM SEX BOTS, CHILD PORNOGRAPHY AND AI SWAP.
NMIT STUDIES SHOW THAT 95% OF COMPANIES THAT HAVE ADOPTED AI HAVE NOT SEEN A PROFIT IS THE TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN UNLEASHED ON HUMANITY AT THE FASTEST RATE WITHOUT ANY GUARDRAILS AND WITHOUT ANYONE UNDERSTANDING ITS EFFECT.
THERE ARE COUNTLESS STUDIES THAT HAVE SHOWN THAT DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS THAT AI IS HAVING IN OUR SOCIETY IS RUBBING US OF OUR CREATIVITY, CRITICAL THINKING, WRITING SKILLS, AND EVERYTHING THAT MAKES US HUMAN.
UH, SRP ENERGY MIX IS 38% GAS, 16% GOAL, UH, COAL, 18% PERCENT NUCLEAR, 2% HYDRO, 5% SOLAR, 3% GEO.
IN TERMS OF, THINK ABOUT THAT ONE.
THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY THEY'RE GONNA USE.
NEXT UP, UH, JEREMIAH BOB SKI, FOLLOWED BY JOHN WOODARD, JEREMIAH, JOHN, JEREMIAH OR JOHN.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR, OR YOUR NAME AND CITY AND YOU HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES.
I LIVE, I AM A LIFELONG CHAND RESIDENT.
ORIGINALLY I HAD A SPEECH WRITTEN ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, BUT I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF COVERED THAT.
SO INSTEAD I'M GONNA TALK MORE ABOUT THE, UM, EFFICACY OF AI, UH, BY BUILDING THIS DATA CENTER, AI IS GOING TO CHANDLER'S, GOING TO BE MAKING AN INVESTMENT IN AI, WHICH I THINK IS A HUGE MISSTEP.
UM, AND I CAN SPEAK PERSONALLY ABOUT THIS.
I'M GOING TO BE GRADUATING IN MAY.
AND LIKEWISE, I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS AND A LOT OF PEERS WHO ARE IN THE SAME BOAT AS ME.
FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF FRIENDS WHO ARE ARTISTS, UM, UH, WHO ARE GOING TO BE OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE, UM, COMPANIES LIKE COCA-COLA WHEN THEY'RE RELEASING COMMERCIALS, ARE USING AI TO CREATE ART INSTEAD OF, UH, PAYING ACTUAL ARTISTS.
I HAVE, UM, A FRIEND WHO IS JOB IS NOW, UM, UNDER THREAT BECAUSE HIS COMPANY'S GONNA MOVE TOWARDS AI.
MY OWN MOTHER IS FINDING IT HARD TO FIND A JOB RIGHT NOW, EVEN THOUGH SHE WANTS TO ADVANCE HER CAREER PARTLY BECAUSE OF AI.
WE, AI IS JUST, UM, A VERY IMMORAL, UM, PANDORA'S BOX.
UM, THE, IT'S REALLY JUST BENEFITING THE BILLIONAIRE CLASS INSTEAD OF 99.9% OF PEOPLE.
UM, I HEARD ONCE IT COMPARED TO THE NEED FROM DR.
SEUSS, THE LORAX, WHICH I THINK IS A REALLY, UM, UH, IS REALLY TRUTHFUL FOR THOSE OF YOU DON'T WHO DON'T KNOW.
THE NEED IN THE STORY WAS A, UM, ALL PURPOSE TOOL THAT WRECKED THE ENVIRONMENT AND ADDED NOTHING OF VALUE TO OUR SOCIETY.
SO PLEASE, I IMPLORE YOU, UH, CITY COUNCILORS MAYOR HARTKE TO, UM, VOTE NO AGAINST THIS AND SAVE OUR COMMUNITY.
NEXT UP, JOHN WOODARD, FOLLOWED BY MARK YONG.
STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT CITY YOU CALL HOME.
YEAH, MY NAME IS JALEN WOODWARD.
UM, I LIVE IN, UH, THE CITY OF SCOTTSDALE.
I'VE LIVED IN ARIZONA, UH, MY WHOLE LIFE.
UM, AND I'M, I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT DOES NOT ONLY AFFECT CHANDLER.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL AFFECT THE ENTIRE VALLEY, OUR ENTIRE STATE.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT IT IS ABSURD TO TRY TO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN A DESERT.
UM, AND I WANT TO KIND OF GO INTO, UH, SOME OF THE POINTS THAT THE APPLICANT MADE, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THEY DID A GOOD JOB EXPLAINING AT ALL.
UM, THE, THE INS AND OUTS OF, OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY WITH.
THE, UH, APPLICANT SHOWED HOW MUCH TAX REVENUE THEY WOULD BE GIVING TO THE CITY OF CHANDLER WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT WHAT THEY DIDN'T SHOW IS ALL THE TAX BREAKS THAT THEY'RE GETTING AT THE STATE LEVEL ON THEIR EQUIPMENT PURCHASES.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, WHAT THAT DIFFERENCE THERE.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO COMMENT ON THEIR SLIDE THAT THEY HAD FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
UM, THEY MENTIONED ON THERE THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE CLOSE TO OTHER FACILITIES THAT DO ROCKET TESTING OR INTEL, UH, THAT THEY'VE ALREADY POLLUTED AND THAT THEIR FACILITY WON'T BE MUCH COMPARED TO THEIRS.
I I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ARGUMENT THAT WE SHOULD ACCEPT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
I THINK THAT THEY NEED TO PROVE TO US THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA POLLUTE OUR DESERT.
THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA POISON THE WATER IN THE SOIL.
THEY NEED TO PROVE THOSE THINGS.
AND, UM, THEY'VE ALSO SAID THAT THEY'LL PAY FOR ALL THE NEW ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE PUT IN PLACE THAT I'VE SEEN THAT
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A, THAT SRP WILL NOT RAISE THEIR RATES GOING FORWARD.AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT CONCERN THAT THEY MUST ANSWER.
AND I THINK THAT ALL DATA CENTERS, ALL AI DATA CENTERS WILL HAVE THESE SAME PROBLEMS. SO I HOPE THAT GOING FORWARD, IF THIS SAME PROJECT COMES BACK, YOU'LL KEEP THIS IN MIND.
NEXT UP, UM, MARK BONG, FOLLOWED BY ELI GOODMAN.
MARK STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT CITY YOU CALL HOME.
MY NAME IS MARK JUNG AND I LIVE IN THE SOUTH AREA OF CHANDLER.
FIRSTLY, I'D LIKE TO QUESTION THE SHAKY JUSTIFICATION OF THE DATA CENTER DONE IN THE LENGTHY PRESENTATION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING IN REGARDS TO ITS FINANCIAL DRAWBACKS.
AS ALREADY NOTED BY THE CITY PLANNING STAFF, DATA CENTERS CREATE MUCH LESS JOBS AS SIMILAR MANUFACTURING AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT FACILITIES.
FURTHERMORE, BEAR IN MIND THAT THE LOSS OF RESOURCES, GREATER POLLUTION AND WHAT WASN'T MENTIONED BEFORE, FURTHER HEAT GENERATION OF THE DATA CENTER WILL ALL HAPPEN WITHIN A MILE OF MANY NEIGHBORHOODS.
JUST AS ELON MUSK'S DATA CENTER, UH, IN MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE HAS POLLUTED THAT CITY WITH SMOG.
THIS PROPOSAL TOO WOULD RUIN THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT.
AND IN REGARDS REGARDS TO MR. BOB'S MENTIONING OF THE CURRENT POLLUTION OF THE ORGANIZATIONS, UH, IN THAT AREA SUCH AS ROCKET FACILITY, WE MUST ASK THE QUESTION, WHY WOULD WE REPLACE THESE BENEFICIAL INSTITUTIONS WITH ANOTHER ONE THAT HAS SIMILAR, IF NOT MORE POLLUTION, BUT WITH A FRACTION OF THE JOB CREATION AND WITH LITTLE ACTUAL USE TO A MAJORITY OF SHANLEY RESIDENTS.
ADDITIONALLY, THE EMAILS NOTE THAT THERE ARE ALREADY OVER 10 DATA CENTERS IN THE PRICE QUARTER.
CREATING ANOTHER MASSIVE ONE WOULD BE INCREDIBLY UNNECESSARY AND FURTHER DETRIMENTAL TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
LASTLY, I URGE A COUNSELOR TO CONSIDER THE REASONS FOR THE COMMUNITY'S OVERWHELMING OPPOSITION TO THIS MATTER.
THE PERSON WHO PROPOSED THIS PLAN FRAMED A DATA CENTER AS A CONCERN AGAINST FEDERAL PREEMPTION AND AERO ARIZONA'S PLACE IN THE NATION.
WELL, AS HAS BEEN SHOWN BY ALL THE PEOPLE WHO'VE SHOWN WHO'VE COME UP TODAY IS CLEAR THAT IT WON'T MATTER IF IT'S THE PRESIDENT OR THEM PROPOSING AN AI DEBT MATTER.
THE PEOPLE WILL NEVER YIELD TO THE INTEREST OF ELITES AND OLIGARCHS.
IT'S CLEAR THAT WE'LL BUILD THE ECONOMY BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE.
AND ANY AARI CORPORATIONS OR POLITICIANS WHO ATTEMPT TO IMPOSE AGREED ONTO US WILL SEE THE SAME OPPOSITION OF THIS GREAT CITY.
WE IMPLORE THE COUNCIL TO VOTE NO ON PRICE ROAD INNOVATION CAMPUS.
NEXT UP, UM, ELI GOODMAN, FOLLOWED BY MS. SNA
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, TELL US WHAT CITY YOU CALL HOME.
I CAME HOME FROM THE HOSPITAL TOO.
UM, I WOKE UP AT 3:00 AM TODAY AND I DO NOT WANNA BE HERE AT ALL.
UH, YOU SEE, I WORK AT A FACTORY NXP FACTORY.
ACTUALLY, I WORK 12 HOUR SHIFTS THREE TO FOUR DAYS A WEEK.
AND I STILL DRAGGED MYSELF HERE AND LISTENED TO SEVERAL HOURS OF PRESENTATIONS AND OTHER PEOPLE SPEAKING BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO OPPOSE.
I THINK THIS WOULD MAKE PEOPLE'S LIVES WORSE.
WE'VE ALREADY SEEN, UM, UH, THE US ENERGY INFORMATION ADMINISTRATION REPORTS THAT ENERGY COSTS HAVE GONE UP ABOUT 8% IN LARGELY ATTRIBUTABLE TO AI DATA CENTERS LIKE THIS ONE AND HOUSE REPORTS HAVE JUST DEMONSTRATED THAT IT'S EXPECTED TO SEE THAT NUMBER TRIPLE, UM, IN THE NEXT, UH, FEW YEARS, I BELIEVE BY 2028.
AND I JUST DO NOT WANT TO SEE MY COSTS GO UP.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT GO ANYWHERE, ESPECIALLY FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS WHOSE WHOLE PURPOSE, IF IT WERE TO GO EXTREMELY SMOOTHLY, IF IT WERE TO, UH, HAVE, UH, NEGLIGIBLE WATER IMPACTS, NEGLIGIBLE ENERGY IMPACTS IT'S A PURPOSE IS TO REPLACE LABORERS LIKE MYSELF AND I, I CAN HARDLY GET A JOB AS IT IS.
I'M A FULL-TIME STUDENT AS WELL.
I DO NOT WANNA WORK 12 HOURS A DAY AT A FACTORY.
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE PLACE I LIVE.
AND WHEN PLACES LIKE THIS, COMPANIES LIKE THIS ARE TRYING TO CREATE AI, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO REPLACE LABORERS, YOU SEE THE DELIVERY CARS, UH, DELIVERY LITTLE ROBOTS GOING EVERYWHERE, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR US.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD OPPOSE THAT JUST FUNDAMENTALLY.
MISS ROX, UH, BDA, FOLLOWED BY MATT YOUNG.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT CITY YOU CALL HOME.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAYOR.
UM, SO WATER DATA IS OFTEN CLAIMED BY ORGANIZATIONS AS PROPRIETARY INFORMATION.
AND WHAT IS YOUR NAME AND WHERE DO YOU COME? OH, I BEG YOUR PARDON.
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YOU.UM, WATER DATA IS OFTEN CLAIMED BY ORGANIZATIONS AS PROPRIETARY INFORMATION.
HOW WILL THE COMMUNITY EVER KNOW THE TRUE CONSUMPTION OF WATER BY THIS ORGANIZATION? ARE WE SIMPLY JUST TO TAKE THEIR WORD FOR IT? A DATA CENTER RELEASES A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF HEAT, ROUGHLY EQUIVALENT TO THE ENERGY CONSUMPTION BECAUSE NEARLY ALL OF THE ELECTRICITY THAT THEY USE IS EVENTUALLY DISSIPATED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE.
THIS WASTE HEAT FROM THE DATA CENTER HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE.
WILL IT GO INTO OUR GROUND OR OUR AIR THAT WOULD IMPACT OUR MICROCLIMATE? OUR CLIMATE IS ALREADY CHANGING.
WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE IT WORSE.
ADDITIONALLY, SRP WILL CONTINUE TO BURN FOSSIL FUELS TO POWER THIS DATA CENTER.
SO THAT'S A DOUBLE WHAMMY FOR INCREASED TEMPERATURES IN A VALLEY THAT GETS HEAT TRAPPED HERE IN THE SUMMER.
THERE ARE FINES FOR NOT MEETING REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS EMPLOYING X NUMBER OF PEOPLE SAY AT $75,000 A YEAR.
COMMENS IS THAT FINE? COMMENSURATE WITH THE COST OF HIRING THOSE PEOPLE.
SO LET'S SAY THAT THE FINE IS 2K AND THE BUSINESS NOW HAS SAVED $75,000 BY NOT MEETING ITS REQUIREMENTS.
WHERE'S THE INCENTIVE TO EMPLOY SOMEONE? THAT MAKES NO SENSE.
WHAT GUARANTEE ARE THERE IS THERE THAT THE OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT THEY'RE BUILDING WILL REMAIN VACANT? THE DISCONNECT THAT SOMEBODY ASKED ABOUT.
NEXT UP, MATT YOUNG, FOLLOWED BY SIFA ISLAM.
TELL US WHAT CITY YOU CALL HOME.
UH, I LIVE IN CHANDLER AND WE'VE TALKED A LOT TONIGHT ABOUT WATER AND ELECTRICITY AND NOISE AND JOBS.
BUT I WANNA REMIND YOU, THIS IS A REZONING ISSUE.
AND THIS IS REZONING BASED ON A DATA CENTER ORDINANCE THAT IS NOT THAT OLD IN RICKETY.
DECEMBER 20TH, 2022 WAS THREE YEARS AGO.
AND HERE WE ARE TRYING TO BEND THE RULES FOR SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO COME IN AND CHANGE IT.
NOW, THIS APPLICANT HAS DANCED AROUND THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF NO SINGLE USE DATA CENTER ON A, ON A PAD, UH, BY ADDING A TECH CAMPUS WITH FIVE BUILDINGS AND THEY'RE GONNA BRING JOBS AND STUFF.
NOW, I MIGHT NOT KNOW AS MUCH AS ADAM, BUT I DO LIVE HERE AND I DO KNOW THE PRICE CORRIDOR, AND I KNOW THAT IN THE PRICE CORRIDOR, THERE ARE NO LESS THAN FOUR VACANT OFFICE BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW.
NOW THEY'LL SAY, WELL, WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE DATA CENTER.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA BO WANNA BE REALLY CLOSE TO THAT.
NOW, LEMME REMIND YOU, I LIVE HERE.
I RUN THAT CORRIDOR EVERY DAY.
IT'S THREE, IT'S FIVE KILOMETERS LONG.
OKAY? AND THEY'RE TELLING US THEY NEED TO BE 13 KILOMETERS AWAY FROM THEIR DATA CENTER IN ORDER TO GET THAT TWO MILLISECOND DATA LATENCY.
SO KIND OF CURIOUS HOW THAT ADDS UP.
HOW ARE THEY GONNA ATTRACT PEOPLE THERE WHEN THEY'VE ALREADY CITED THE SMELLY SEWER TREATMENT PLANT AND THE FIRE TRAINING CENTER THAT ARE SO BURDENSOME TO THE CITY, APPARENTLY.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF MY FIRST ISSUE.
THE SECOND THING I WANNA BRING UP IS LESS DETAIL ORIENTED.
I WANNA REMIND YOU THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER ISSUE THAT CAME UP AROUND REZONING THAT CAUSED A LOT OF CONSTERNATION IN THIS CITY AROUND PROVIDING, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE, FOR PEOPLE MAKING LESS THAN $65,000.
SCHOOL TEACHERS, NURSES, SOCIAL WORKERS, COUNSELORS, AND THIS COUNCIL SAID NO TO THEM.
AND WHEN THEY CHANGED IT TO SAY, WE WANNA HAVE THIS FOR FIXED INCOME SENIORS WHO WANNA LIVE CLOSER TO THEIR GRANDKIDS, YOU SAID NO.
AND NOW HERE THEY ARE SAYING, WELL, WE WANNA REZONE TOO, AND WE'D LIKE YOU TO BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO CHANGE THE ZONING RULES.
ISLAM FOLLOWED BY JEFF WINNIER, CIFA ISLAM.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, HER NAME AND CITY.
HI, MY NAME IS SITA AND I LIVE HERE IN CHANDLER.
UH, I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR CHANDLER FOR FOUR YEARS NOW, AND I COMMUTE TO WORK DAILY USING THE PRICE ROAD WHERE THE DATA CENTER WANTS TO BE BUILT.
I CAN'T IMAGINE HAVING ANY MORE TRAFFIC ALONG THAT ROAD WITH ALREADY EXISTING CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS ALREADY LASTED WELL OVER TWO YEARS.
BUILDING THE STATUS CENTER IN CHANDLER WOULD BE A HORRIBLE IDEA THAT WILL ONLY WORSEN THE ROAD CONDITIONS, CREATE MORE TRAFFIC, RAISE CHANDLER'S RESIDENTS RATES, AND PUT A HUGE STRAIN ON OUR ALREADY DEPLETED WATER RESOURCES.
THIS DATA CENTER IS PROJECTED TO USE ALMOST 50,000 GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY, OR 18 MILLION GALLONS PER YEAR ON TOP OF THE ENORMOUS WATER USAGE THAT IT MIGHT USE.
UH, THESE DATA CENTERS WILL ONLY MAKE THE AIR THAT CHANDLER RESIDENTS BREATHE EVEN MORE
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UNHEALTHY.IF YOU LIVE IN CHANDLER, YOU KNOW THAT CHANDLER SMELLS, ESPECIALLY ON PRICE ROAD WITH THE SEWAGE THAT JUST WON'T STOP.
AND THEN CHANDLER BOULEVARD AS WELL HAS A MAJOR SEWAGE ISSUE.
AND THEN, NOT TO MENTION THAT THE MARICOPA COUNTY HAS NOT MET ANY OF THE EPA AIR QUALITY STANDARDS FOR A FEW YEARS NOW.
ALL THE WHILE ARIZONA RESIDENTS ARE ALSO RECEIVING LOW QUALITY AIR POLLUTION ALERTS ON THEIR PHONES ALMOST EVERY MONTH.
THESE DATA CENTERS ARE NOT DOING JUSTICE TO THE CHANDLER RESIDENTS HERE.
AND I HOPE THAT YOU HEAR AND LISTEN TO WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT.
AND HOPE YOU VOTE NO ON TO BUILDING THE DATA CENTER.
JEFF WININGER, FOLLOWED BY MARK KIM MORANA.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, NAME AND CITY YOU RESIDE IN.
IN JEFF WININGER CHANDLER, ARIZONA MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.
THANK YOU FOR HEARING THE PEOPLE, UH, VERY QUICKLY, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, HARRIS MADE A VERY GOOD AMENDMENT ON THEENAGER PARK, UH, OF HAVING WARNING PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA LIVE THERE ABOUT NOISE FROM THE PARK.
THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS, IS THE PEOPLE ALREADY EXIST AND LIVE NEAR THIS, AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY WARNING.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST POSSIBLY GETTING IT PUT IN FRONT OF THEM.
UM, IN 2010, THERE WAS A VOTE ON A PAD ON 160 ACRE PARCEL CALLED CONTINUUM IN THE PRICE CORRIDOR.
YOU'VE SEEN IT, IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STREET.
A LOT OF LARGE BUILDINGS THAT VOTE, UH, BESIDES GIVING THE DEVELOPER $10 MILLION AS A GIFT FROM CHANDLER FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALLOWED BY RIGHT DATA CENTERS TO BE BUILT