* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [ Call to Order] [00:00:04] GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CHANDLER CITY COUNCIL. UH, TONIGHT. THERE'S QUITE A FEW MOVING ITEMS THAT ARE, ARE, ARE MOVING PIECES AS PART OF OUR AGENDA. THERE'S CONSENT, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING, THERE IS VOTING ON THAT. THERE IS PART OF OUR BUDGET. AND THEN THERE ARE, UM, THREE OTHER ITEMS MANY OF YOU HAVE INTENDED TO SPEAK ON ONE AND OR BOTH OF THEM, AND WE WILL GIVE EVERYONE THE OPPORTUNITY AND I'LL ADDRESS THAT ONCE WE GET A LITTLE CLOSER. SO WITH THIS, I'D LIKE TO CALL OUR MEETING TO ORDER, AND, UM, CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE? MAYOR HARTKE. PRESENT VICE MAYOR ELLIS. PRESENT. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINA HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER POSTED HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. GREAT. THANK YOU. OUR INVOCATION WILL BE DELIVERED BY RABBI MINDY DEUTSCH FROM HABAD OF THE EAST VALLEY AND OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINA. I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN BY PUTTING SOME CHARITY INTO A CHARITY BOX. WE DON'T JUST TALK ABOUT DOING GOOD THINGS. WE DO SOMETHING POSITIVE. GOD OF HEAVEN, MASS OF THE WORLD COURAGEOUSLY BLESSED THESE DISTINGUISHED INDIVIDUALS CHOSEN BY MANY WHO HAVE ENTRUSTED THEM WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY OF LEGISLATING VERY WELLBEING OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS AND FAMILIES. WHILE WE MAY BE LIVING IN TURBULENT TIMES, ONE THING IS A CONSTANT, AND THAT IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD WHO RESIDES WITHIN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US AND GIVES US THE STRENGTH. WE NEED TO REMEMBER WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE ARE MADE OUT OF. WE MUST NOT BE DISCOURAGED BY THE DARKNESS AROUND US. INSTEAD, WE SHOULD BRING MORE LIGHT INTO THE WORLD THROUGH ACTS OF KINDNESS AND GOODNESS. MANY HAVE HEARD ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT IN WASHINGTON DC AND THE WAY TO OVERCOME JEW HATRED AND BIGOTRY IS BY INSTILLING IN OUR YOUTH A DEEP RESPECT FOR OTHERS. WE DO THIS BY LIVING BY A HIGHER MORAL CODE BUILT ON THE FOUNDATION OF THE SEVEN UNIVERSAL LAWS GIVEN TO ALL MANKIND, TEACHING THEM TO LOVE AND HONOR EVERY HUMAN BEING. FOR EACH OF US IS CREATED BY THE IMAGE OF GOD. WE MUST ALSO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THEIR GOD-GIVEN PURPOSE AND THEIR POWER TO MAKE THE WORLD A MORE BEAUTIFUL AND KIND PLACE FOR ALL. THROUGH THIS, WE GUARANTEE TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN PEACE. LET THERE BE NO AMBIGUITY, UH, AMBIGUITY. WHAT TOOK PLACE LAST NIGHT WAS A VILE ACT OF COWARDNESS AND TERROR AT A TIME OF RISING HATE. THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN JUSTICE AND HUMAN DIGNITY MUST BE CLEAR AND COURAGEOUS. IN NAMING AND CONFRONTING THE HATE IN ALL ITS FORMS, WE CALL ON LEADERS ACROSS EVERY SECTOR, GOVERNMENT, CIVIL SOCIETY, AND FAITH COMMUNITIES TO REJECT THE NORMALIZATION OF ANTISEMITISM AND ANY KIND OF HATE. AND TO BUILD A SOCIETY ROOTED IN MUTUAL RESPECT, SAFETY, AND DIGNITY FOR ALL. THE HEROISM OF OUR LEADERS DEDICATED TO FOSTERING A PEACEFUL AND HARMONIOUS WORLD IS COMMENDABLE. WE IMPLORE GOD TO GRANT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE LEADERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, GIVE THEM STRENGTH AND MORAL COURAGE TO ENHANCE OUR WORLD DAILY. WE STOW UPON THEM WISDOM, JUSTICE, GRACE, AND EMPATHY, ENABLING THEM TO BRING HONOR TO YOUR NAME AND BLESSING TO MANKIND. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU, RABBI FOR YOUR WORDS. PLEASE JOIN ME IN RECITING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, STATES, AMERICA, AND TWO STATES FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION. ONE NATION. THANK YOU RABBI. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINA. NEXT ON OUR AGENDA, TONIGHT IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. AND, UM, BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS, UH, WE ALWAYS INVITE, UH, IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE, WHO ARE, UH, BEING VOTED ON FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO STAND AND BE RECOGNIZED. WE OF ANYONE HERE FROM THE WHO'S BEING VOTED ON IN THE MAYOR'S YOUTH COMMISSION, SO PLEASE STAND. [00:05:04] CAN YOU SHOUT OUT YOUR NAME TO US? UH, MY NAME IS. MY NAME IS. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU BOTH FOR COMING. UH, WE APPRECIATE YOUR DESIRE FOR CIVIC ACTION AND, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE BLESSED THAT YOU GUYS ARE HERE. SO, THANK YOU. UM, COUNSEL, NEXT [ Consent Agenda Items listed on the Consent Agenda may be enacted by one motion and one vote. If a discussion is required by members of the governing body, the item will be removed from the Consent Agenda for discussion and determination will be made if the item will be considered separately. Proposed Motion: Move to approve the Consent Agenda of the May 22, 2025, Regular Meeting, Items 1 - 14.] IS, I'VE GOT NO SPEAKER CARDS ON CONSENT AGENDA, UNLESS SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE A CONSENT AGENDA TO ACTION. I BELIEVE A MOTION WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, I MOVE THE PROPOSED, EXCUSE ME, PROPOSED MOTION TO MOVE THE APPROVED CONSENT AGENDA OF MAY 22ND, 2025. REGULAR MEETING ITEMS ONE THROUGH 14. SECOND, SO WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER ELECT ORLANDO, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, PLEASE VOTE. MAYOR. OH, COUNCIL MEMBER ENC. THANK YOU. I JUST NEED TO, OFF THE RECORD, I WANT TO DO A, UM, RECUSAL ON, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM AGREEMENT NUMBER CA 2 5 0 2 2 0 1 FOR MYSELF. THAT ITEM. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THAT'S UNDER THE, THE BOTTOM ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE PART. OKAY. UM, FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, THERE IS A SECTION WHERE IF THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, UM, IS, IS LESS THAN A CERTAIN AMOUNT, UH, THEN IT'S KIND OF LUMPED UNDER THAT BOTTOM SECTION THERE. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINA IS REFERRING TO. COUNCIL, PLEASE VOTE. VICE MAYOR ELLIS. YES. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY WITH THE, UM, WITH THE ONE OH WITH, UM, AS NOTED, UM, WITH THE ITEM NOTED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINAS AGAIN. THANK YOU. NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS [15. Public Hearing for Resolution No. 5899 Approving the Fiscal Year 2025-2026 Annual Assessment for the City of Chandler, Arizona, Downtown Chandler Enhanced Municipal Services District Open Public Hearing Staff Presentation Council Discussion Discussion from the Audience Close Public Hearing] A PUBLIC HEARING AND ACTION ITEM. AND COUNSEL THERE IS, UH, THE PRESENTATION OF A HEARING. AND AFTER WE CLOSE OUT OF THAT, WE THEN WILL VOTE ON IT. ON THIS IS ITEM 15. AND THEN ITEM 16, WE'LL ACTUALLY VOTE ON RESOLUTION 5 8 9 9. SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO OPEN OUR PUBLIC HEARING AND INVITE A STAFF PRESENTATION. I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UH, LAUREN COLE, REBECCA, OR DCCP, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT MANAGER AS WELL. PLEASE PROCEED. ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. TONIGHT I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE FISCAL YEAR 25 26 EMSD ENHANCED FISCAL SERVICES DISTRICT ANNUAL ASSESSMENT. THE EMSD WAS CREATED IN 2005 AND IT'S IN ITS 20TH YEAR. THE DISTRICT COVERS 61.4 ACRES AND OVER 1 MILLION SQUARE FOOTAGE OF COMMERCIAL SPACE. AN ENHANCED MUNICIPAL SERVICES DISTRICT IS FORMED TO PROVIDE SERVICES UP AND BEYOND TYPICAL PUBLIC SERVICES ELSEWHERE WITHIN THE CITY. SUCH SERVICES INCLUDE SAFETY, BEAUTIFICATION, MARKETING AND PROMOTION, AND PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT AND COMMUNICATIONS. THESE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED BY THE DOWNTOWN CHANDLER COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP, THE DCCP THROUGH AN ANNUAL CONTRACT WITH THE CITY TO FURTHER EXPAND UPON THE EMSD PROCESS, THE ASSESSMENT WITH WAS AUTHORIZED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE DISTRICT WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE ASSESSMENT PROCEEDS BEING PAID TO. THE DISTRICT CITY COUNCIL IS A GOVERNING BODY WHO OFFICIALLY ENABLES THE DISTRICT. THE DISTRICT MUST BE RENEWED EACH YEAR. THE ANNUAL STEPS ARE AS FOLLOWS. STEP ONE, SET THE RATE BY THE CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS THE SAME ASSESSMENT FORMULA THAT HAS BEEN USED FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS. THIS YEAR. THE DCCP REQUESTED A 5% INCREASE FOR BOTH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC PROPERTY THAT IS ALLOWED BY THE EMSD BYLAWS. STEP TWO, ON MARCH 27TH, COUNSEL APPROVED THE TENTATIVE ASSESSMENT AND SET THE HEARING DATE FOR TONIGHT. SINCE THEN, STAFF HAS PUBLISHED THE NOTICE OF HEARING AS REQUIRED BY A SRS FOR FIVE CONSECUTIVE DAYS BEFORE THE HEARING. DCCP STAFF HAS NOTICED ALL, UH, HAS MAILED ALL NOTICES TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE DISTRICT OF THEIR RIGHT TO FILE AN OBJECTION. NO OBJECTIONS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AT THIS POINT. TONIGHT IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL AND THE APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACT WITH THE DCCP TO ADMINISTER THESE FUNDS THROUGH THE EMSD. AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I PASS THIS ON TO REBECCA, WHO WILL PRESENT ON THE DCCP COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR LAUREN? SEEING NONE PROCEED. ALRIGHT. HELLO, REBECCA. HI. THANKS SO MUCH. THANK YOU, LAUREN. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. ON BEHALF OF THE DCCP BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND OUR ORGANIZATION, I'LL BE PROVIDING AN OVERVIEW OF SOME OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT WE'VE REACHED IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. BUT FIRST I'D LIKE TO SHARE OUR MISSION STATEMENT. THE DOWNTOWN CHANDLER COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP IS A 5 0 1 C SIX, NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION WHOSE MISSION IS TO MOBILIZE LEADERSHIP AND RESOURCES TO ADVANCE THE, DEVELOP THE DEVELOPMENT OF DOWNTOWN CHANDLER AS A REGIONAL DESTINATION FOR SHOPPING, DINING, LIVING, CULTURE, AND THE ARTS. [00:10:03] NEXT, I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS. THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO INVEST AND VOLUNTEER FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE DOWNTOWN CHANDLER COMMUNITY. AND I LOVE TO INCLUDE OUR HARDWORKING TEAM. FROM YOUR LEFT IS NATALIE, MADDIE, MYSELF, AND JESS. AS LAUREN MENTIONED, THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE ARE OVER AND A ABOVE STANDARD CITY SERVICES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST INCLUDE A FEW HERE. OUR CHARTER INCLUDES PROVIDING ADVOCACY FOR OUR BUSINESSES, MANAGEMENT EVENTS, MARKETING PLACEMAKING, AND CLEAN TEAM SERVICES AS WELL. OUR BOARD THIS YEAR HAS COMPLETED AN UPDATED DRAFT STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY AND WE HOPE TO FINALIZE OVER THE SUMMER. INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS HAVE BEEN A FOCUS THIS YEAR AND HOW WE CAN REFINE AND THE BEST WAYS TO SERVE OUR BUSINESSES. WE'VE HOSTED MORE THAN 20 MEETINGS. WE'VE ALSO IMPLEMENTED A PILOT VOLUNTEER PROGRAM WHERE VOLUNTEERS DIRECTLY IMPACT SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS IN DOWNTOWN, SUCH AS PROVIDING, UM, REPLACING LIGHT FIXTURES, INTERIOR PAINT, AND MINOR DRYWALL REPAIRS, ALL FREE OF CHARGE. IN CONTINUING WITH OUR MARKETING AND COMMUNICATION, WE PARTNERED WITH VARIOUS MARKETING TEAMS AND LOCAL INFLUENCERS WHO NOT ONLY RAVED ABOUT OUR DOWNTOWN AS A WHOLE, BUT WENT INTO VARIOUS BUSINESSES TO HIGHLIGHT THEM. SOME CAMPAIGNS INCLUDED RETAIL ONLY SHOPS STAY AND PLAY CAMPAIGNS AND WEEKEND WEEKEND WEDDING EXPERIENCES. JUST WANTED TO SHARE A FEW OF OUR MARKETING WINS. WE HAD OVER 141,000 VIEWS ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS AND JUST SOME OF THESE SMALL CAMPAIGNS THAT WE PERFORMED. ONE LIVE TV SEGMENT FOR PRRS PAJAMA PARTY WHERE THEY WERE LIVE ON, ON SITE. AND THEN WE HAD THREE LIVE TV SEGMENTS THAT WERE AT THE STUDIO, AND IT HIGHLIGHTED SIX DIFFERENT BUSINESSES WITHIN DOWNTOWN. WE HOSTED 19 EVENTS WHICH BROUGHT MORE THAN 300 LOCAL VENDORS. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE FARMER'S MARKET VENDORS. UM, AND OUR EVENTS BROUGHT MORE THAN 43,000 ATTENDEES AND GENERATED MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN REVENUE FOR THE DCCP. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE PROVIDED A DIVERSE EVENT SCHEDULE AND TRIED OUR BEST TO OFFER AS MANY FREE OPPORTUNITIES AS WE COULD FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO ENJOY. ALL OF THESE EVENTS ARE MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH OUR EVENT PARTNERS. WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE A FEW FUN PHOTOS THIS YEAR. WE ALSO STARTED HOSTING MICRO EVENTS, WHICH PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY BUILDING WITHOUT THE LARGE CROWDS. WE WANTED TO PROVIDE REASONS FOR PEOPLE TO KEEP COMING BACK TO DOWNTOWN. FREE MICRO EVENTS INCLUDE RUNNING CLUB, BOOK CLUB, AND SUNSET YOGA. WE'D LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER AND CNS FOR SUPPORTING AND JOINING OUR RUNNING CLUB. IN ADDITION, WE'RE HAPPY TO REPORT AFTER MUCH RESIDENT AND COUNCIL FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT THE FARMER'S MARKET MANAGEMENT BACK IN HOUSE. NATALIE HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN GROWING THE MARKET AND WE SEE PROMISING NUMBERS SO FAR. THE MARKET IS ON TRACK TO HAVE MORE THAN 40,000 VISITORS ANNUALLY. WE TOOK OVER MANAGEMENT IN JANUARY, AND THE VENDOR GROSS SALES SO FAR ARE $281,000. ALL OF THIS BACK INTO LOCAL ECONOMY AS WE LOOK FOR SAFETY AND BEAUTIFICATION IMPROVEMENTS. THE DCCP PARTNERED WITH THE CITY OF CHANDLER TO INSTALL ALLEYWAY LIGHTING AND TWO ALLEYWAYS, AND A THIRD ONE IS PENDING APPROVAL. WE WORKED WITH LANDOWNERS TO INSTALL ADDITIONAL TURF AND SPRINKLERS TO IMPROVE THE SIDEWALK ALONG BOSTON STREET. WE ALSO INSTALLED VARIOUS PLACEMAKING ENGAGEMENTS SUCH AS EXPANDING OUR HOLIDAY DECORATIONS BY 50%. INSTALLING THE UMBRELLAS AT DR. AJ CHANDLER PARK, THIS FOR SPRING AND HAY BALES IN THE FALL SEASON FOR PHOTO OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE WORKED WITH PETER BUG AND THE VISION GALLERY THROUGH THE ARTS COMMISSION TO INSTALL THREE ADDITIONAL UTILITY WRAPPED, UM, WHICH WERE CREATED BY LOCAL ARTISTS. THIS GIVES US FIVE TO DATE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THE ARTS COMMISSION ALSO JOINED US IN ADDING ADDITIONAL, UM, ART BOXES IN THE DOWNTOWN. AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT. I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. REBECCA. ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS QUICKLY? COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, FIRST OF ALL, GREAT JOB DOWN THERE FOR, IT'S A GOOD PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE PRIVATE, UH, BUSINESS DOWN THERE, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THERE'S, UM, UH, GROWTH IN DIFFERENT VENUES WE'RE DOING. SO THAT'S PERFECT. UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS WHEN THE ASSESSMENT IS IS MADE, DO THE LANDLORDS, UM, OR IT MAY BE A COMBINATION, DO THE LANDLORDS ACTUALLY PICK THAT UP OR THEY SHOULD THEY, UH, PUSH IT TOWARDS THEIR, THE, UH, LEASES? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, IT REALLY IS UP TO THE LANDOWNER TO [00:15:01] DETERMINE WHO PICKS UP THE ADDITIONAL EXPENSES. UM, BUT IT IS A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS THAT, UM, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO WITH THE DOLLARS AND, AND HAVING SOME ASSESSMENT INCREASES AND, AND SO FAR, UM, WE'VE HAD SUPPORT THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. GOOD. SO THERE, OKAY. THAT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR POLSON, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING DOWN THERE. I I LOVE THE FARMER'S MARKET. I LOVE THE ART WALK. YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THAT. I DO JUST WANNA ASK, I REALLY LIKE THAT YOU'VE PUT AN ADDED EMPHASIS ON HELPING THOSE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS BECAUSE SORT OF AS COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO HAD MENTIONED SOME OF THOSE FEES DO GET PASSED ON, I AM HEARING THAT THEY'RE FEELING THE EFFECTS OF THE ECONOMY RIGHT NOW. SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO HAVE AS MUCH ACTION TOWARDS THE ACTUAL BUSINESS OWNERS AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL. SO, UM, I KNOW WE HAD A A BRIEF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT I DO WANT TO CONTINUE ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, COUNCIL MAYOR, UM, WE TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK, UM, WITH MUCH WEIGHT, RIGHT? IT'S IMPORTANT TO US AND OUR FOCUS IS ALWAYS THE BUSINESS OWNERS IN ADDITION TO THE LANDOWNERS. AND WE HEAR YOU. WE ALSO HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WITH THE CURRENT ECONOMY OR, UM, THE UNCERTAINTY OF IT. AND SO WE, UM, ARE HAVING SOME DISCUSSIONS AS TO HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO STRENGTHEN THE, THE BUSINESSES, THE SMALL GUYS, RIGHT? THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT WE HAVE IN DOWNTOWN. THANK YOU. EXACTLY. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MAKES DOWNTOWN SPECIAL IS THAT WE HAVE SO MANY INDEPENDENT BUSINESS OWNERS, BUT IT'S A LITTLE MORE OF A STRUGGLE WHEN THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT UNCERTAIN, LIKE YOU SAID. SO THANK YOU. THANKS A HUNDRED PERCENT. THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE. MAYOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR ALLOWING ME TO DO THE ADDRESS WITH, UH, THE DOWNTOWN WITH CP LAST WHEN YOU WERE TRAVELING. UM, I WANNA TELL THEM THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AND NOW CONGRATULATIONS ON THEIR 20 YEARS OF WORKING DOWNTOWN. AND IT WOULD'VE NEVER BEEN WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. IF A GROUP OF, UH, BUSINESS PEOPLE AND ALSO THE C PUT ALL THEIR HANDS TOGETHER TO MAKE, UH, DOWNTOWN A DESTINATION PLACE, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO STICK TO MANY OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE IN DOWNTOWN CURRENTLY. THEY WERE IN THE ROOM. THEY ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF ALL THE WORK THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND EVERYBODY, INCLUDING ALL OF US ARE DOING THERE TO SUPPORT THE CCP. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU MS. REBECCA FOR HAVING ME. IT WAS A BLAST STANDING THERE AND DOING THE ADDRESS WITH YOU ALL. THANK YOU. CONTINUE THE GOOD WORK. THANK YOU MAYOR. COUNCIL, VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. EVERYBODY WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH YOUR ADDRESS. THEY LOVED HAVING YOU. WE MISSED MAYOR, OF COURSE. UM, THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH AGAIN FOR YOUR SUPPORT. WE APPRECIATE IT. AND I'LL CLOSE JUST BY SAYING, UNLESS OTHERS WANNA CLOSE MY CLOSE, UH, I, I THINK OUR DOWNTOWN IS, HAS REALLY GOTTEN TO BE A STRONG PLACE THAT WE HEAR GREAT THINGS ABOUT PEOPLE FEELING SAFE, ABOUT HOW CLEAN IT IS, HOW WARM THE FOLKS ARE, AND UH, UM, OF ALL THE PLACES THAT I LIKE TO HANG OUT, IT'S OUR DOWNTOWN AND FOR THE, THE MANY REASONS. AND WE CONTINUE TO LOOK FORWARD TO DEVELOPING THIS TO BE, UH, A CONTINUED WORLD CLASS AMENITY THAT NOT JUST SERVES CHANDLER THE REGION, BUT REALLY INVITES PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE WORLD. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND, UH, KEEPING ALL OF THOSE THINGS A REALITY IN OUR DOWNTOWN MAYOR. COUNCIL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND I, UM, WILL DEFINITELY SHARE WITH OUR BOARD AND OUR STAKEHOLDERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UM, AFTER COUNCIL DISCUSSION, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE RELATED TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NONE, I'D LIKE TO CLOSE OUR PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 16 IS, [16. Resolution No. 5899, Approving the Fiscal Year 2025-2026 Annual Assessment for the City of Chandler, Arizona, Downtown Chandler Enhanced Municipal Services District Move City Council pass and adopt Resolution No. 5899 approving the Fiscal Year 2025-2026 Annual Assessment for the City of Chandler, Arizona, Downtown Chandler Enhanced Municipal Services District, authorizing the Enhanced Municipal Services District (EMSD) Agreement for Fiscal Year 2025-26 between the City of Chandler and the Downtown Chandler Community Partnership, and authorizing the City's voluntary contribution to the EMSD in the amount of $137,530. Council Focus Area(s):] UM, APPROVING WHAT WE JUST HEARD, THE ANNUAL ASSESSMENT FOR THE CITY OF CHANDLER'S, DOWNTOWN CHANDLER ENHANCED MUNICIPAL SERVICES DISTRICT COUNCIL. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED? MAYOR, MAYOR ORLANDO. THANK YOU. UH, LIKE TO MOVE FOR APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 5 8 9 9 APPROVING THE FISCAL YEAR 20 25, 20 26 ANNUAL ASSESSMENT FOR THE CITY OF CHANDLER, ARIZONA, DOWNTOWN CHANDLER ENHANCED MUNICIPAL SERVICES DISTRICT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT MAYOR MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO A SECOND BY VICE MAYOR. ANY RECUSALS SEEING NONE? COUNCIL PLEASE VOTE. VICE MAYOR ELLIS? YES. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. GREAT, THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 17, [17. Resolution No. 5905, Adopting the Fiscal Year (FY) 2025-26 Tentative Budget and 2026-2035 Tentative Capital Improvement Program (CIP) and Giving Notice of the Dates and Times for Hearing Taxpayers for Final Adoption of the Budget and for Setting the Tax Levies and Tax Rates Move that City Council pass and adopt Resolution No. 5905, adopting the FY 2025-26 Tentative Budget and 2026-2035 Tentative CIP and giving notice of the dates and times for hearing taxpayers for final adoption of the budget and for setting the tax levies and tax rates. Council Focus Area(s):] UH, RESOLUTION NUMBER 5 9 0 5, WHICH IS ADOPTING THE FY 25 26 [00:20:01] TENTATIVE BUDGET AND 26 THROUGH 35 TENTATIVE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND GIVING NOTICE AND DATES AND TIMES FOR HEARING TAXPAYERS FOR FINAL ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET AND SETTING TAX LEVIES AND TAX RATES. UM, MATT DUNBAR IS GONNA GIVE US A PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET WITH YOU AGAIN. I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE SEEN MY FACE A LOT LATELY, BUT WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE END, SO YOU'LL GET A BREAK HERE PRETTY SOON. UH, I DID HAVE A JOKE FOR YOU ABOUT A BROKEN CLOCK, BUT I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS THE RIGHT TIME. SO, UH, SO OUR STATUTORY BUDGET PROCESS IS THE SAME AS IT ALWAYS IS. ARIZONA REVISED STATUTE DICTATES WHAT WE DO. UH, WE DO PROVIDE OR ADOPT A TENTATIVE BUDGET, WHICH IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, TO SET FORTH THE DIFFERENT AMOUNTS THAT WERE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS EXPENSES FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. UH, AFTER TENTATIVE ADOPTION, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT BUDGET AS WELL AS ON THE TAX LEVY, UH, WHICH IS SET FOR JUNE 12TH. AND THEN WE HOLD A SPECIAL MEETING DIRECTLY FOLLOWING THAT, UM, JUST SIMILAR TO WHAT WE, WE'VE JUST, UH, SEEN, UH, DIRECTLY FOLLOWING THAT PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN THE FINAL ADOPTION OF THE TAX LEVY IS SET FOR JUNE 26. OUR TOTAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 26, UH, IS JUST ABOUT $1.629 BILLION. UH, A SLIGHT DECREASE FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. OUR THEME THIS YEAR IS STRENGTH IN NUMBERS. AND SO, UH, WE SEE THAT NOT ONLY WITH THE NUMBERS OF IN OUR BUDGET AND ADHERING TO OUR FISCAL POLICIES, BUT ALSO IN THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS AND PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT REALLY MAKE CHANDLER A SPECIAL PLACE. UH, THE TOTAL GENERAL FUND OF THAT 1.629 BILLION IS ABOUT $615 MILLION. UH, OUR PROPOSED BUDGET DOES ADHERE TO THOSE FINANCIAL POLICIES THAT YOU HAVE SET IN PLACE. UH, WE DO USE THE STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK TO GUIDE OUR DECISIONS. IT PROVIDES COST-EFFECTIVE QUALITY SERVICES, UH, MAINTAINS OUR LONG-TERM FINANCIAL SUSTAINA SUSTAINABILITY. UH, AND WE DID INCLUDE RESIDENT FEEDBACK THROUGH OUR ENGAGEMENT PROCESSES, THROUGH OUR BUDGET KICKOFF, THE RESIDENT SURVEY, THREE BUDGET WORKSHOPS, OUR ALL DAY BUDGET BRIEF, AND THEN THE EVENTS THAT WE HAVE SCHEDULED OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR FINAL AND TENTATIVE ADOPTION. WE WERE ABLE TO INCORPORATE A LOT OF THE BUDGET DRIVERS INTO THIS FISCAL YEAR, UH, INCLUDING SOME REVENUE CHANGES, BOTH INCREASES AND DECREASES FOR VARIOUS, UH, CLASSIFICATIONS OF REVENUES, EXPENDITURE INCREASES FOR, UH, THE DEAL WITH INFLATION, PUBLIC SAFETY PENSION OBLIGATIONS, UH, AND INFLATING COSTS ACROSS THE CITY. UH, WE'VE BUDGETED FOR GRANT CHANGES THAT HAVE, WE'VE BEEN MONITORING FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL, ALTHOUGH THOSE KEEP CHANGING WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED AS WE GO THROUGHOUT THE NEXT, UH, FEW WEEKS AND MONTHS. UH, AND THEN WE'VE, UH, UTILIZED SOME ONGOING SAVINGS WITH, OR FOUND SOME ONGOING SAVINGS WITH ONE-TIME DOLLARS. AGAIN, MAKING SURE THAT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PENSION IS COMPLETELY FUNDED. A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE OPERATING BUDGET. UH, WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE LOWEST PRIVILEGED TAX RATE IN ARIZONA, AGAIN, MAINTAINING THAT 1.5% RATE. UH, AND THEN WE ARE, WE'RE ABLE TO REDUCE THE PRIMARY PROPERTY TAX RATE THROUGH THE DIRECTION OF MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, THAT'S THE 10TH CONSECUTIVE YEAR THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE BEEN ABLE TO REDUCE THE PROPERTY TAX RATE. UH, WE'RE ALSO ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT FULLY FUNDED STATUS OF OUR P-S-P-R-S OBLIGATION, UH, ADD FUNDING FOR LABOR ASSOCIATION COMMITMENTS AND GENERAL EMPLOYEE MERIT MARKETS AND MAINTAINS OUR STRONG RESERVES IF YOU MISS IT AT THE ALL DAY. HERE'S JUST A RECAP OF WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM AND WHERE THE MONEY GOES FOR OUR TOTAL BUDGET, UH, WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM. EVERYTHING FROM FUND BALANCE TO GRANTS TO STATE SHARED REVENUES TO LOCAL TPT OR TRANSACTION PRIVILEGE TAX. UH, OUR PROPERTY TAXES AND OTHER CHARGES FOR SERVICES. AND THEN WHERE THE MONEY GOES IS BROKEN OUT INTO CATEGORIES FOR DE DEPARTMENTAL OPERATING MAJOR CAPITAL. UH, WE HAVE DEBT SERVICE CONTINGENCIES AND RESERVES AND CAPITAL CARRY FORWARD, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MINUTE. UH, JUST TO KEEP IN MIND, FROM AN OVERALL COST TO OUR RESIDENTS FOR PROVIDING ALL OF THE SERVICES THAT THE CITY DOES, THE CITY OF TEMPE DOES A GREAT JOB. THEY DO A, A STUDY THAT SHOWS THE DIFFERENT COST ESTIMATES FOR PER RESIDENT FOR THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. UH, THIS INCLUDES WATER WASTEWATER, SOLID WASTE, PROPERTY TAXES PAID, AND AN ESTIMATE OF TRANSACTION PRIVILEGE OR SALES TAXES PAID. THE VALLEY AVERAGE IS AN AVERAGE RESIDENT WILL PAY $2,513 TO THEIR MUNICIPALITY. CITY OF CHANDLER IS ABOUT 75% OF THAT. SO, UH, JUST OVER $1,800 PER RESIDENT. SO WE FARE VERY WELL AS FAR AS THE, WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO OUR RESIDENTS FOR A LOW COST. AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT WHEN THEY UPDATE THAT THIS NEXT JULY, UH, WILL BE IN A, IN AN EVEN BETTER POSITION FROM OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. THE HIGHLIGHTS FOR OUR 10 YEAR CIP WERE ABOUT $2.6 BILLION, UH, ABOUT $130 MILLION INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR'S 10 YEAR CIP. AND IT WAS UPDATED TO REFLECT, UH, NOT ONLY ADDITIONAL UTILITY PROJECTS AND PROJECT COST ESTIMATES, [00:25:01] BUT ALSO ADDITIONAL PROJECTS THAT WERE FILTERED INTO THE FINAL YEAR, YEAR 10, WHICH IS NEW THIS YEAR. UH, AGAIN, WE HAVE AN INCREASED FOCUS ON AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND IT DOES INCLUDE PROJECTS UTILIZING POTENTIAL NEW BOND AUTHORIZATION, UH, IN YEARS THREE THROUGH 10. SO AS WE GO OUT TO THE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL BOND AUTHORIZATION, THOSE PROJECTS ARE BUILT INTO THEIR, OUR CAPITAL PLANNING, ALTHOUGH WE ONLY APPROPRIATE THE FIRST YEAR OF OUR CAPITAL PLAN. SO THIS IS THE TOTAL APPROPRIATION IN THE NEW FOR THE NEW YEAR. $845.7 MILLION WILL BE OUR CIP APPROPRIATION SPLIT BETWEEN TWO MAJOR CATEGORIES, CAPITAL CARRY FORWARD, UH, WHICH ARE PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEGUN BUT NOT YET COMPLETED THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RE-APPROPRIATE FOR IN THE NEW YEAR UNDER STATE LAW. WE HAVE TO DO THAT SO WE CAN CONTINUE THOSE PROJECTS. AND THEN NEW FUNDING OF ABOUT $278 MILLION. OUR KEY BUDGET DATES, UH, A MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE COMPLETED CHECK MARKED TONIGHT. WE'RE DOING OUR TENTATIVE BUDGET ADOPTION, UH, BUDGET, PUBLIC HEARING, AND FINAL ADOPTION IS SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 12TH AND THEN THE ADOPTION OF THE TAX LEVIES ON JUNE 26TH. AND WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU MR. DUNBAR. UM, COUNCIL QUESTIONS? NO, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. YEAH. UM, THANK YOU. UM, UH, DON, YOUR TEAM CONTINUES TO DO A GREAT JOB. I MEAN, SEEING OUR TAXES BEING LOWERED FOR THE 10TH YEAR IN A IN A ROW IS A BIG SAVINGS TO OUR COMMUNITY TAX RATE. TAX RATE, TAX RATE, YES. TAX RATE, UH, FOR THE 10TH YEAR IN A ROW. AND IT'S, IT'S PROUD TO BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS, YOU KNOW, AND YOUR TEAM WORKED VERY TIRELESSLY TO WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO PUT TOGETHER A VERY FISCALLY SOUND, UM, BUDGET. UH, AND IT TAKES MANY, MANY MONTHS FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE END. IT TAKES MULTIPLE MONTHS BEFORE WE GET HIT, AND I THINK WE'LL BE KICKING IT OFF AGAIN IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR TO, TO CARRY IT OVER ALL THE WAY INTO TO THE WEE HOURS OF THE MONTH OF JUNE. SO, UM, I'M VERY PROUD OF THIS BUDGET. IT'S VERY, UM, VERY SOUND STRONG FISCALLY SOUND BUDGET. AND, AND, AND I'M VERY HAPPY THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO, TO DO THIS FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS. AND TO BE HERE, I'M JUST LIKE, YES. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. DUNBAR. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO? YEAH, MATT, CAN YOU REMIND US WHEN THE P-S-P-R-S PAYMENT IS DUE AND WHEN DO WE ADJUST THAT? YEAH, SO THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, UM, IT'S NOT, DOESN'T HAVE A DUE DATE FOR THE ADDITIONAL PAYMENT THAT WE MAKE. WE TEND TO MAKE IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, BUT THIS YEAR WE'RE GONNA DELAY THAT SLIGHTLY. WE WANNA GET THE NEW ACTUARIAL REPORT, SEE WHERE WE'RE AT, AND MAKE SURE WE NEED THE FULL, WE HAVE BUDGETED $25 MILLION INCREASE FOR THAT PAYMENT. IF WE NEED THE FULL AMOUNT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PAY IT AS SOON AS WE GET THE ACTUARIAL REPORT. IF IT'S LESS THAN THAT, WE'LL PAY JUST THE AMOUNT THAT'S NEEDED. SO IT'LL PROBABLY BE PROBABLY NOVEMBER, DECEMBER TIMEFRAME. OH, OKAY. MUCH LATER. YEP. ALRIGHT, PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANKS MAYOR. YEAH, MATT, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT ONE SLIDE WHERE IT COMPARED CHANDLER TO THE OTHERS CONCERNING OVERALL TAX BILL? ABSOLUTELY. THERE WE GO. GREAT. SO THIS IS WITH ANY INCREASES THAT WE'VE PROJECTED, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A REVIEW AND ADDING WASTEWATER WATER, UH, SOME INCREASES THAT WILL TAKE EFFECT NEXT MARCH IS WHAT I'M CURRENTLY UNDERSTANDING, RIGHT? SO IT'LL GIVE OUR BUSINESSES OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR BUDGETS ACCORDINGLY. SO EVEN WITH THAT, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE WELL UNDER 200,000. AND AS YOU STATED, THIS DOES NOT TAKE INTO EFFECT THAT ALL OF THESE AGENCIES, WE KNOW GILBERT HAS SOME SIGNIFICANT INCREASES PLANNED THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS AND OTHERS, IS THAT PRETTY MUCH TRUE OF EVERYONE? ABSOLUTELY. MAYOR, YOU'RE CORRECT. SO, UH, THIS JUST REFLECTS AS OF LAST JULY, 2024, UH, AND HASN'T BEEN UPDATED WITH OURS. SO WE KNOW OUR UTILITY RATES WILL LIKELY INCREASE, UH, BUT WE'VE SEEN INCREASES IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS AS WELL, ALL OTHER JURISDICTIONS, SOME OF THEM SIGNIFICANT, AS YOU MENTIONED, GILBERT. UH, THE OTHER THING THAT ISN'T IN THIS YET IS GILBERT DID RAISE THEIR TRANSACTION PRIVILEGE TAX FROM ONE POINT HALF TO 2%. SO THAT'LL BE REFLECTED NEXT YEAR. SO A LOT OF CHANGES, THOSE SHIFTS WE'LL SEE IN NEXT YEAR'S, UH, TEMPE REPORT. BUT TO YOUR POINT, THE CITY OF CHANDLER WILL MAINTAIN THAT VERY, UH, EQUITABLE STATUS WITH OUR RESIDENTS. SO, AND WHEN YOU SAY THAT, UH, I MEAN, IN OUR CASE, THIS WON'T RAISE UNTIL WE RAISE RATES. SO WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY FOLDED EVERYTHING ELSE IN THERE, SO IT CONTINUES TO JUST STATE AND RESTATE, UH, IN THE ENVIABLE POSITION OF LONG-TERM PLANNING IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO, UM, BRING THE BEST AFFORDABILITY. SO, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. MATT. THERE'S NO SPEAKER CARDS RELATED TO ITEM NUMBER 17. COUNCIL, IS [00:30:01] THERE A MOTION MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS? UH, I GOT SEE THE, JUST ONE SECOND. COMPUTER'S PULLING UP. ALL RIGHT, THERE WE GO. UH, MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER 17 TO, UH, PROVE THE RESOLUTION 5 9 0 5, ADOPTING THE FY 20 25, 20 26 TENTATIVE BUDGET IN THE 20 26 20 TO 2035, TENTATIVE CIP, AND GIVING NOTICE OF THE DATES AND TIMES FOR THE HEARING TAXPAYERS FOR FINAL ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET AND FURTHER SETTING LEVIES AND THE TAX RATES. SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, VICE SAMARA ELLIS? YES. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. GREAT. MAYOR, WE'RE JUST SCREAMING THROUGH THIS AGENDA. YOU THINK THE SECOND HALF WILL BE AS FAST AS THE FIRST HALF? OH, FOR SURE. FOR SURE. OKAY. I LOVE YOUR ATTITUDE. OKAY. UM, AND COUNCIL, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING, IF THERE'S A STAFF PRESENTATION OR, OR QUESTIONS AS, AS THIS NEXT ONE HAS BEEN BROUGHT BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, WE'LL TAKE ENTERTAIN, UM, QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION HERE. THERE ARE NO SPEAKER CARDS FOR ITEM NUMBER 18 EITHER AT THIS POINT. SO ITEM NUMBER [18. Creating Performance Evaluations and Criteria Policy for Direct Hires (City Manager, Clerk, Attorney, Magistrate), as requested by Councilmember Harris] 18, CREATING PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS AND CRITERIA POLICY FOR DIRECT HIRES. UM, SINCE I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S STAFF PRESENTATIONS, SINCE THIS WAS YOUR, YOUR ITEM, SO COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. YEAH, THANK YOU MAYOR. I'M BRINGING THIS FORWARD BECAUSE, UM, AS YOU KNOW, ACCOUNTABILITY IS VERY IMPORTANT. TRANSPARENCY IS IMPORTANT AS WELL. AND WHEN WE GIVE OUT MERIT BASED PERFORMANCE RAISES, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AN EVALUATION TOOL TO EVALUATE OUR DIRECT HIRES. AND THIS IS A PART OF WHAT EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE DOES. WE ALL GET EVALUATED. UH, AND SO I WANTED TO BRING THIS FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, STAFF, WE CAN BRING THIS FORWARD SO STAFF CAN GO AND PUT TOGETHER AN EVALUATION SO THAT WAY OUR DIRECT HIRES HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE EVALUATED, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE BEING EVALUATED ABOUT, WE KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA BE EVALUATING, AND IT ALLOWS IT TO BE ALIGNED WITH THEIR CONTRACTS. SO AGAIN, IF, IF I'M CORRECT, WHAT THIS DOES IS BASICALLY COMMISSION STAFF TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND THEN WE WILL VOTE ON THAT, THAT'S JUST NOT ARBITRARY OR AUTOMATIC. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. MAYOR, AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR TON OUR ACTING LEGAL TONIGHT. I KNOW THAT, UM, WHEN THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST, WE'VE BEEN ADVISED BY LEGAL THAT THESE, UH, EVALUATIONS ARE POTENTIALLY PUBLIC. THESE PUBLIC DOCUMENTS ARE PUBLIC DOCUMENTS RATHER THAN, THAN PROTECTED BY, UM, BY, UM, EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE. UH, I THINK KELLY HAS MENTIONED THAT SEVERAL TIMES. SO TO, WHAT'S YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THIS MAYOR? DO YOU HEAR ME? YES. OKAY. UM, THAT'S THE CORRECT, THE RECORD OF THE EVALUATION WOULD BE A PUBLIC RECORD. IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? SO THE RECORD MEANING THAT IT'S HAPPENED, ARE THE MATERIAL ON THE, ON THE, UM, ACTUAL, UM, EVALUATIONS. THE MATERIAL ON THE ACTUAL EVALUATIONS. OKAY. SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO THAT WOULD SAY THAT IF, IF WE PROCEED WITH THIS, THAT THIS WOULD BE JUST A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN COUNSEL AND THE INDIVIDUAL STAFFERS. IF, IF THERE WAS A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, MAYOR ON THE, THE RECORD OF THE EVALUATION, THAT WOULD BE A PUBLIC RECORD. YOU COULD DISCUSS AN EMPLOYEE'S PERFORMANCE IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TALKING THE, THE SAME THING. SO I, I'M, I'M HEARING A LITTLE DIFFERENT LANGUAGE AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. SO, SO IF I, UM, IF I EVALUATE, UM, CITY ATTORNEY SCHWAB ARE THE MATERIALS, OR ARE THE STATEMENTS OR, OR WHATEVER I WOULD SAY ABOUT HER THAT I WOULD, MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN COMMUNICATING PRIVATELY, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT IS, UH, IS THAT IS ACCESSIBLE IN A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST OR YOUR LANGUAGE JUST A LITTLE DIFFERENT? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. SURE, MAYOR, I UNDERSTAND. YES, THAT WOULD BE A PUBLIC RECORD. HOWEVER, IF IN YOUR COMMENTS YOU WERE TO SUMMARIZE SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN LEGAL ADVICE AND IT WAS PRIVILEGED ATTORNEY CLIENT LEGAL ADVICE FOR ON BEHALF OF, FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY OF CHANDLER, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REDACTED. OKAY. SO IF I GAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY EITHER A 12 OUT OF 10 OR A ONE OUT OF 10 FOR A PARTICULAR PARTICULAR MERIT THAT WOULD BECOME, THAT IS ACCESSIBLE AS PUBLIC RECORD, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING. OKAY. THANK [00:35:01] YOU. COUNCIL, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, MAY I ASK, UM, VICE MAYOR, THEN COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ALSO CONCERNING, UM, THE OTHER EMPLOYEES THAT WE DON'T DIRECTLY OVERSEE THE DIRECT HIRE WHEN WE DO THEIR MERIT, UM, AND ALSO WE DO, UH, SIT DOWN AND DO THEIR EVALUATION. DOES THAT GO INTO THEIR FILE AS A PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE OR IS IT, UH, ALSO PRIVATE, ONLY THEM CAN SEE IT, OTHER PEOPLE CANNOT REQUEST THOSE KINDS OF THINGS? DID I THINK WHAT SHE ASKED IS, IS LET'S SAY, UM, AN EMPLOYEE OF PERHAPS YOU THAT IF YOU WERE, IF YOU WERE GIVEN AN EVALUATION, IS THAT ALSO PUBLIC, UH, KNOWLEDGE OR HOW DOES THAT WORK AS OPPOSED TO THE FOUR APPOINTEES FROM COUNCIL MAYOR PER EVALUATIONS OF EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY ARE PUBLIC RECORDS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? MAYOR? UM, OH, I'M SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER POSTING YOUR ALREADY RECORD. MY APOLOGIES. THANK YOU. MINE WAS, MY, MY COMMENT WAS SIMILAR TO, UH, THE VICE MAYOR'S QUESTION, AND IT WAS JUST, I HAVE BEEN A PROPONENT OF TRANSPARENCY, UM, THE ENTIRE TIME I SERVED ON COUNCIL AND WHEN I WAS A CITY EMPLOYEE. AND MY OPINION IS THAT, UM, IT'S PRETTY MUCH STANDARD FOR CITY STAFF'S RECORDS TO BE PUBLIC. AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE HOLDING OUR EXECUTIVE STAFF TO A HIGHER STANDARD, NOT A LOWER ONE. THESE ARE OUR MOST WELL COMPENSATED EMPLOYEES WITH THE MOST RESPONSIBILITY. SO I, I AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS'S IDEA OF MAKING THIS A WRITTEN RECORD. UM, AND WE CAN BE DISCREET AND, AND WE'VE BEEN ASSURED THAT IF THERE ARE ITEMS THAT DO NEED TO BE REDACTED, THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CAN DO THAT. SO THAT GIVES US A LITTLE EXTRA COMFORT LEVEL, I THINK. BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS. OKAY. UM, OVER HERE. OKAY. YEAH, I GUESS MY CONCERN IS IF I'M, IF I'M HAVING AN INTERESTING DAY AND I, AND I'M ARE, IF I'M NOT HAPPY AT THE MOMENT OF, UH, OF, UH, OF AN ACTION OF A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE AND, AND, AND I WRITE SOMETHING THAT I, I LATER, WE, WE TALK THESE OUT. WE HAVE ONGOING RELATIONSHIPS AND ONGOING CONVERSATIONS AND, AND COURSE ADJUSTMENTS. BUT I, I GUESS I'M CONCERNED THAT IF I WOULD WRITE SOMETHING AND LATER, UH, GET IT RESOLVED, BUT SUDDENLY THERE IS THIS IMPENDING THING ON SOMEBODY'S RECORD THAT, UH, MIGHT AFFECT THEIR FUTURE, AND, UH, HONESTLY, I, THAT WOULD'VE, THAT WOULD CONCERN ME. UH, SO I'M, I'M JUST WRESTLING A LITTLE BIT WITH THIS CONCEPT. I DO REALIZE WE'RE JUST APPROVING THE PROCESS AND THEN THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO US AND MAYBE WE COULD SHAPE IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT, UM, WOULD, WOULD ALLEVIATE MY, MY CONCERNS THAT I'M TRYING TO ARTICULATE. BUT SO COUNCILOR MARTINEZ KIND OF JUST, UM, TAG ONTO YOUR CONCERN THERE. I WAS GONNA ASK COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, IS YOUR, UH, PROPOSAL TO DO THIS AT A CERTAIN TIME OF YEAR OR IS IT WHEN THEIR CONTRACTS MAY BE UP FOR, UM, EVALUATION AT THAT TIME? OR IS IT YEARLY OR DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CONTRACT FALLS? YEAH. UM, AGAIN, THIS ITEM ONLY SIMPLY GIVES THE STAFF THE DIRECTION TO GO AND FIGURE OUT THE CONCEPT AND TO BRING IT BACK TO US SO WE CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION OF HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. THIS ONLY JUST ALLOWS US TO PUT FORTH AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY REVIEW WHAT OUR STAFF IS DOING. OUR TOP STAFF IS, UM, UM, TO YOUR POINT, MARY, THEY PAID HEAVILY. I THINK IT'S APPROXIMATELY A MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE PAY OUR TOP STAFF BETWEEN THE FOUR. AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THAT AND WE ALLOW THE TAXPAYERS TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT AND WE CAN FIND A WAY TO DO IT. UM, PHOENIX HAS BEEN DOING IT. THERE'S EXAMPLES OUT THERE. PHOENIX HAS BEEN DOING IT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. TEMPE HAS BEEN DOING IT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. SCOTTS THE OTHER CITIES, IT'S A COMMON PRACTICE. UM, I MEAN, I SIT ON BOARDS RIGHT NOW ON GOVERNMENT BOARDS WHERE I'M THE CHAIR OF AND, AND THAT CEO IS EVALUATED AND, AND WISHED THE SAME PROCESS. SO, UH, WE CAN FIND A WAY TO DO IT IN A MEANINGFUL WAY. UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE, THAT'S WHY WE WANNA SEND IT BACK TO THE STAFF AND THEY'LL PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT WILL BE MEANINGFUL AND THAT WILL ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. BUT I, I DO BELIEVE THAT OUR, OUR DIRECT HIRES, UM, DEFINITELY SHOULD BE EVALUATED AS WE WOULD ANYONE ELSE IN THE ORGANIZATION THAT'S JUST BEING TRANSPARENT, HOLDING ACCOUNTABILITY AND PROVIDING MERIT-BASED PERFORMANCE [00:40:01] RAISES. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I FEEL LIKE WE'LL GET INTO ALL THOSE PARAMETERS IF WE DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS, UH, MAYOR ONCE WE'RE IN THERE, WHETHER IT'S TIMING OR, UM, THE STRUCTURE OF THAT EVALUATION. YEAH, AND I THINK, I THINK HIS DIRECT QUESTION WAS, DO YOU SEE THIS UPON, LIKE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ON A TWO YEAR CONTRACT UPON CONTRACT REVIEW OR MORE FREQUENTLY? OR ARE YOU JUST KIND OF NOT WANNA DECIDE YET? WELL, I WANNA MAKE SURE I, I KEEP AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE, UM, EACH OF THEIR COLLEAGUES TO BE ABLE TO PUT THEIR INPUT INTO THIS PROCESS. UM, WE ANNUALLY REVIEW OUR DIRECT HIRES. I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE TIME FOR THEM TO HAVE AN ANNUAL REVIEW AND TO ALIGN IT, UM, WITH THEIR CONTRACT BASED ON HOW COUNCIL, UM, DEEMS IT SHOULD BE HANDLED. BUT A TWO YEAR CONTRACT IS WE, WE'VE ALREADY SET THAT THE PREVIOUS YEAR. THAT'S MY, THAT'S A LITTLE, SO THEY'VE, THIS, THIS YEAR, ONCE, IF WE DO A REVIEW ON THEM, WE WON'T BE, WE WON'T BE DISCUSSING THEIR CONTRACT. WE DECIDED THAT LAST YEAR. THAT'S, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THAT PART OF MY, PART OF THIS QUESTION. OKAY. UM, WELL, ANNUALLY THE CONTRACTS ARE TYPICALLY UP. EVEN IF WE DO SOMETHING UNIQUE, THE REVIEWS SHOULD REMAIN ANNUALLY. UH, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WOULD PROBABLY LAND. THAT IS AN ANNUAL REVIEW. REGARDLESS IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DO INDEFINITE CONTRACTS OR IF THEY WANNA DO TWO YEAR, THREE YEAR. BUT, UM, DIRECT HIRES SHOULD HAVE AN ANNUAL REVIEW, UH, ON THEIR PERFORMANCE. AND IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE RAISES, IT NEEDS TO BE BEAR AT BASE RAISES AND THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE ALIGN THOSE RAISES TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE STILL PROTECTING THEIR TECH DOLLARS. OKAY. MAYOR ADDITION MAY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, THEN VICE MAYOR. SO, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THE OTHER NIGHT. THE NATIONAL CITY MANAGERS, UM, HAS THEIR OWN PROCESS AND THEY RECOMMEND YOU DO AN ANNUAL REVIEW. THEY HAVE A PROCESS, THEY HAVE SEVERAL EX EXAMPLES. SO WE'RE NOT RECREATING A LOT OF THINGS HERE. UM, WE USED TO DO THIS IN THE PAST, UH, TO SEVERAL OF OUR, TO OUR DIRECT EMPLOYEES. IT WAS WRITTEN REVIEW. UM, THE WAY WE DID IT IS WE WOULD, UH, ANYTHING WE SAID IT WOULD BE PUT ONTO ONE PLATFORM SO WE WOULDN'T KNOW WHO, WHO SAID IT. THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS WE COULD DO THIS THAT COULD HELP US GET A WRITTEN CONTRACT, A WRITTEN REVIEW, LIKE ANYONE ELSE, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON WORKING THE LOGISTICS ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE REDACTED AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD, AT LEAST LOOK INTO THOSE, UH, THOSE IDEAS AND OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IT. WE KNOW THAT. SO THERE'S BENCHMARKS THERE. THEY'RE UNDER THE SAME LAWS. WE ARE. SO HOW DO THEY DO IT? I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE THERE'S A WAY THAT THEY FIGURED IT OUT IN PHOENIX AND TEMPE AND, UM, SO I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT SMARTER THAN WE ARE, SO WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. , THAT'S WHAT WE POSTED. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT VICE MAYOR ELLIS, OH, I'M SORRY. VICE MAYOR ELLIS. I'M, I'M GETTING CAUGHT UP IN THE MOMENT OF THINKING ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, SO I, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WELL, VICE MAYOR, NO PROBLEM. I WAS ON STANDBY BECAUSE I HAD MY, MY MUTE OFF, SO I REALIZED THAT IT WAS MY TURN. THANK YOU AGAIN, MAYOR, FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. I APPRECIATE THIS CONVERSATION THAT, UH, I HAVE BEEN HAVING WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, CONCERNING THIS ALONG THE WAY AND SOME OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. UH, IS, IS IT TRUE, IT'S TRUE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO UPHOLD EVERYONE TO A STANDARD AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO TONIGHT? WE ARE, WE ARE NOT VOTING WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS OR NOT AT THIS TIME. WE ARE VOTING ON OUR IDEAS OF TELLING STAFF TO GO AND WORK ON PUTTING SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT WE WILL HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND SEE IF THAT'S ETHICAL ENOUGH FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. AND SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GET SOMETHING FROM STAFF THAT WILL REALLY REFLECT THE NATURE OF WHO GENDER IS, OUR CULTURE, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GENDER IS ALL ABOUT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, THERE'S A SAYING THAT FEEDBACK IS A GIFT AND THIS IS COMING ACROSS, I THINK, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR CONCERNS ARE THAT THIS IS MEANT TO BE PUNITIVE. I THINK IT'S MEANT TO SET GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE SAYING WHAT WE WANT TO MEASURE AND THEN DURING THE REVIEW MEASURING IT. AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD. AND THIS IS DONE, UM, PRETTY MUCH IN EVERY SECTOR. SO I, I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD ITEM. AND I THINK WE CAN ALSO, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE ICMA, LIKE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO HAD MENTIONED, WE CAN ALSO BE GUIDED BY HR JUST LIKE THE REST OF CITY STAFF IS. SO THIS IS PRETTY STANDARD PROCEDURE. SO I, I THINK IT'S A POSITIVE THING AND IT SHOULD BE SEEN AS A POSITIVE THING. THANK YOU. YEAH, I JUST KNOW WITH CITY MANAGER, WE, WE IN ESSENCE, WHEN WE CRAFT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, HE'S, IT'S HIS JOB TOO. TO ME, I'VE ALWAYS SEEN THAT AS THAT'S HIS JOB DESCRIPTION. IT'S WHAT WE SAY ARE THE GOALS AND PRIORITIES OF [00:45:01] COUNCIL. BUT I'M, I DON'T WANNA BE LEGAL. MY PART IN THIS AND I'M, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA VOTE YES TO BRING IT TO THE NEXT, WHERE WE CAN KIND OF PIECE IT APART. SO UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER, IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION OR WE COULD KIND OF PROCEED FROM THERE. SO MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, GIVING SUB DIRECTION ON THIS ITEM SO THAT THEY CAN BRING IT BACK TO US. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION AND A SECOND ON ITEM NUMBER 18. COUNCIL, PLEASE VOTE. VICE MAYOR ELLIS? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKIN. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, COUNCIL ON ITEMS NUMBER 19 AND 20, WE HAVE, UH, A LOT OF COMMENT CARDS AND THERE ARE ALSO A FEW WRITTEN CARDS. THE WRITTEN CARDS ARE JUST BASICALLY SAY, I AM FOR THIS OR I'M AGAINST THIS. AND DEPENDING ON I WAS, I WILL, THOSE WILL BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD IF YOU WOULD LIKE. I COULD ALSO SAY, UM, SUCH AND SUCH AS FAR, SUCH AND SUCH AS AGAINST THESE IF YOU WOULD. OTHERWISE, WE WILL JUST DO WHAT I TRADITIONALLY DO AND JUST HAVE THEM AS PART OF THE RECORD. SO WHEN WE GET THERE, YOU CAN, UH, GIVE ME DIRECTION ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED. WE'LL START EACH WITH A STAFF PRESENTATION, UH, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, BACK AND FORTH, DELIBERATION, TURN IT OVER TO SPEAKER CARDS AND UM, AND THEN, UH, COME BACK FURTHER CONVERSATION. AND THEN, UH, IF THERE'S THE WILL TO BRING IT TO A VOTE. DOES THAT SOUND ACCEPTABLE TO COUNCIL MEMBERS LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST? ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 19, [19. Resolution No. 5913, Ordering and Calling a Special Election for the Submission of Proposed Amendments to the City Charter regarding the Eligibility of Persons to Serve Consecutive Terms as Mayor and Councilmember Move City Council pass and adopt Resolution No. 5913, ordering and calling a special election for November 4, 2025, for the submission of proposed amendments to the City Charter regarding the eligibility of persons to serve consecutive terms as Mayor and Councilmember; directing publications as required by law; designating the place and time to accept arguments for and against the question; establishing the conduct of elections including ballot tabulation requirements; authorizing an agreement for services with the County and payment of election expenditures; setting forth the voter registration deadline and Voter Rights Act requirements; designating the election as an all-mail ballot election; establishing canvassing and reporting requirements; and including a severability and ratification clause.] RESOLUTION NUMBER 59 13, ORDERING AND CALLING A SPECIAL ELECTION FOR THE SUBMISSION OF PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE CHANDLER CHARTER REGARDING ELIGIBILITY OF PERSONS TO SERVE CONSECUTIVE TERMS AS MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER. UH, TODD, I THINK THAT WOULD BE YOU. THAT WOULD BE ME. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, LET'S SEE IF I CAN, OKAY, I GOT MY PRESENTATION. OKAY. UM, ITEM NUMBER 19 IS RESOLUTION 5 9 1 3 5 9 1 3 WAS DRAFTED AND PLACED ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING THIS EVENING BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE OF THE CHARTER IS AMBIGUOUS AS TO WHETHER A PERSON WHO HAS SERVED EIGHT CONSECUTIVE YEARS AS COUNCIL MEMBER IS ELIGIBLE TO SERVE ADDITIONAL TERMS AS MAYOR WITHOUT A BREAK IN SERVICE. THE PRACTICE OF THE CITY, GOING BACK TO 1972 WHEN THE VOTERS ELECTED TO IMPOSE TERM LIMITS HAS BEEN THAT A PERSON MAY SERVE TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS AS COUNCIL MEMBER, FOLLOWED BY TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS AS MAYOR. THIS IS A SLIDE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. IF ANYONE WERE TO GO ON THE WEB AND SEARCH FOR THE MUNICIPAL CODE AND THE CITY CHARTER AND COME TO ARTICLE TWO, SECTION 2.01, WE ARE GONNA FOCUS ON SUBSECTION E. COPIES OF THIS SECTION WERE PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC AND OUT IN THE LOBBY, SUBSECTION E. AND UH, THIS IS JUST THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTION WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON. NO PERSON SHALL BE ELIGIBLE TO BE ELECTED TO THE OFFICE OF COUNCIL MEMBER FOR MORE THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS OR TO THE OFFICE OF MAYOR FOR MORE THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS, OR TO MORE THAN A CONSECUTIVE COMBINATION OF SAME. A PERSON ELECTED TO TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS AS A COUNCIL MEMBER OR TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS AS MAYOR, OR A COMBINATION OF SAME AS ABOVE SET FORTH SHALL NOT, SHALL NOT BE ABLE TO ELIGIBLE TO HOLD EITHER OFFICE AGAIN UNTIL FOUR YEARS HAVE ELAPSED. THE SECTION GOES ON AND HAS, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA NECESSARILY FOCUS ON, BUT IT HAS SOME OUTDATED LANGUAGE AND SOME LANGUAGE THAT'S IN CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER PART OF THE CHARTER. AND, UH, I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS ON THAT IN JUST A MOMENT, BUT GOING TO THE HISTORY, THE ELECTION HISTORY FOR THIS SECTION OF THE CHARTER, IT HAS BEEN PUT TO THE VOTERS QUITE A FEW TIMES AND WE SUMMARIZED THIS AND WE GAVE THE DETAILS OF THE ELECTION HISTORY IN, UH, A HANDOUT THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC IN THE LOBBY. BUT AS YOU'LL SEE, UH, AT DIFFERENT TIMES THE, UH, LENGTH OF THE TERM AND THE TERM LIMITS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE VOTERS. IF IT IS THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL TO CONTINUE THE PRACTICE OF A PERSON, THAT A PERSON MAY SERVE TWO CONSECUTIVE [00:50:01] TERMS AS COUNCIL MEMBER, FOLLOWED BY TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS AS MAYOR, THEN COUNCIL MAY PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO ADDRESS THE AMBIGUITY, CLARIFYING THAT A PERSON MAY SERVE UP TO 16 CONSECUTIVE YEARS. THIS IS A, THIS PRO, THIS IS THE PROPOSAL IN RESOLUTION 5 9 1 3 SUBSECTION E THAT NO PERSON SHALL BE ELIGIBLE TO, TO BE ELECTED TO A COMBINATION OF THE OFFICES OF COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR FOR MORE THAN 16 CONSECUTIVE YEARS. A PERSON WHO IS ELECTED TO CONSECUTIVE TERMS AS COUNCIL MEMBER OR TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS AS MAYOR SHALL NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO HOLD THE SAME OFFICE AGAIN UNTIL FOUR YEARS HAVE ELAPSED SINCE THE END OF THE LAST TERM, SERVED A PERSON WHO HAS ELECTED AND SERVED 16 CONSECUTIVE YEARS IN A COMBINATION OF THE OFFICES OF COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR SHALL NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO HOLD EITHER OFFICE AGAIN UNTIL FOUR YEARS HAVE ELAPSED SINCE THE END OF THE LAST TERM SERVED. THAT IS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT ALSO TO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS TO STRIKE THROUGH SOME OUTDATED LANGUAGE TO CLEAN UP THE REST OF SECTION E QUESTIONS. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER QUESTIONS FOR TODD. COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS. HI TO, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN, UM, LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, I I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ADDRESSED SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION. HOW DO APPOINTMENTS FEED INTO THIS AMENDMENT? THIS AMENDMENT IS ONLY IF ELECTED. SO THAT DOESN'T AFFECT ANY OF THE 16 YEAR VERBIAGE THAT IS IDENTIFIED ON HERE. IT, THE VERBIAGE IS FOR THE 16 CONSECUTIVE YEAR LIMIT IS FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN ELECTED. OKAY. TO THE TERM OF, TO TWO TERMS AS COUNCIL MEMBER, TWO TERMS AS MAYOR. AND DO WE HAVE THAT IDENTIFIED THEN, UM, SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CHARTER THAT ALREADY WOULD ALLOW THAT? I'M, I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WOULD THERE BE ADDITIONAL GRAY AREA IF IT'S NOT ADDRESSED SOMEWHERE. OKAY. RELATED TO APPOINTMENTS OR TO APPOINTMENTS AND THEN FEEDING INTO THE, YES. SO IF THEY WERE APPOINTED INTO A POSITION AND THEN FOLLOWED BY TWO TERMS OF COUNCIL TO TERMS OF MAYOR OR VICE VERSA, UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS, IT WOULD NOT, THE, AN AN APPOINTED TIME OF, OF OFFICE WOULD NOT BE COUNTED IN AN ELECTED AS AN ELECTED TERM. OKAY. THIS IN THIS AMENDMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, I SAW THAT THERE WAS THE REMOVAL OF THE, UM, RESIGNATION VERBIAGE. WAS THERE A REASON WHY WE CHOSE TO DO THAT? YES, WITH MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS, THAT IS IN CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER PART OF THE CHARTER. SO ANOTHER SECTION OF THE CHARTER. UH, IT STATES THAT TO, IF YOU WANT, IF YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR TERM AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU WANT TO RUN FOR MAYOR, YOU NEED TO RESIGN TO RUN FOR MAYOR. THE CONFLICT IS THAT IT, THE PROVISION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE STRICKEN STATES THAT IF YOU RESIGN, YOU CANNOT RUN FOR OFFICE A MAYOR OR COUNCIL MEMBER FOR TWO ELECTIONS THAT'S IN CONFLICT BECAUSE ANOTHER PROVISION SAYS YOU CAN RESIGN TO RUN FOR MAYOR. I SEE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO JUST A FOLLOWING UP ON HER QUESTION ABOUT APPOINTMENTS, I, I THINK I MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE LAST PERSON APPOINTED BACK IN 2008 AND I RAN, I WAS UNSUCCESSFUL AND, AND RAN AGAIN. SO THERE WAS, IT ADDED A YEAR, BUT HAVE WE EVER HAD ANYONE APPOINTED MORE THAN, UM, MORE THAN A YEAR OR TWO THAT YOU, YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF? YEAH, SO IT, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE ELECTED, IT JUST FROM MY CASE IT ADDED, UM, AN ADDITIONAL YEAR AS AN APPOINTEE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE OVERALL SCHEME OF THAT THIS WOULD JUST ADDRESS ELECTED MAYOR. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, THANK YOU TO, COULD YOU GIVE KIND OF A BACKGROUND OF HOW WE GOT HERE? I KNOW THIS HAS HAPPENED FAIRLY RECENTLY. CAN YOU KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE PROCESS, UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON? DO YOU WANT ME TO WALK THROUGH, THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HOW IT CAME TO THIS MEETING OR THE HISTORY OF THE ELECTION? THE, YEAH, NO, YOU, YOU COVERED THE HISTORY OF THE ELECTION AND THE CHARTER VERY WELL. THANK YOU. UH, IT'S REALLY MORE HOW WE ARE ALL HERE TODAY. CORRECT. UM, THE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY RECEIVED A LEGAL OPINION FROM AN OUTSIDE ELECTIONS LAWYER THAT THE, I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK A LITTLE BIT. I APOLOGIZE. THAT WAS THAT LIKE WHERE DID, WHERE DID IT BEGIN? BECAUSE WHY DID SHE, WHY WAS SHE LOOKING AT THIS [00:55:01] ISSUE? IT WAS BROUGHT UP, I BELIEVE BY SOME RESIDENTS THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON. I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT. I APOLOGIZE AND OKAY. WELL JUST SPEAK TO WHAT YOU'RE AWARE OF. THAT'S FINE. THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS, AND I WANNA BE CAREFUL BECAUSE I WOULD BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY ATTORNEY WHO'S NOT NOT HERE TODAY. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT A QUESTION WAS RAISED AS TO WHETHER A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO HAS SERVED, SERVED TWO, FOUR YEAR TERMS CAN RUN FOR MAYOR AND THEN RUN, WHICH IS THE HISTORY OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THIS, IN THE CITY. AND THAT QUESTION WAS PUT OUT TO AN OUTSIDE ELECTIONS ATTORNEY AND THAT ELECTIONS ATTORNEY CAME BACK AND, AND THIS IS IN THE CITY COUNCIL'S MEMO, UM, WITH A LEGAL OPINION, UM, MS. MS CHRISTINA WETHER OPINING THAT UNDER THE EXISTING CITY CHARTER LANGUAGE, A PERSON WHO HAS SERVED EIGHT CONSECUTIVE YEARS AS A COUNCIL MEMBER IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO SERVE AN ADDITIONAL TERM AS MAYOR OR COUNCIL MEMBER UNTIL HE OR SHE HAS A BREAK IN SERVICE FOR AT LEAST FOUR YEARS. OTHER LAWYERS HAVE REVIEWED THIS LANGUAGE AND COME TO DIFFERING OPINIONS. THAT'S WHY WE'VE, WE, I'VE VERY MUCH EMPHASIZING THAT THE CHARTER LANGUAGE IS AMBIGUOUS, CAN BE SUBJECT TO DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND I KNOW I, I STILL HAVE A, WE TALKED EARLIER AND I BROUGHT UP THAT IT'S A, IS THERE STILL, TO ME THIS ISN'T PERFECT. THERE IS A SCENARIO WHERE, UM, EITHER COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS OR ELLIS, AFTER SERVING EIGHT YEARS ON COUNCIL WITH THIS NEW LANGUAGE, COULD SIT DOWN FOR TWO YEARS AND THEN RUN FOR MAYOR AND THEN CONCURRENT RIGHT AFTER THAT RUN FOR COUNCIL SO THAT EVEN WITH THIS NEW LANGUAGE, IT WOULD ALLOW, UH, SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS TO RUN FOR COUNCIL, SIT DOWN TWO, THEN RUN FOR MAYOR, AND THEN RUN FOR COUNCIL. SO A TOTAL OF 24 YEARS IN 26 YEARS. AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW LIKELY THAT IS. UM, BUT, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S STILL SOME, UH, POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH THIS NOT RESOLVED WITH THIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE. AND I, I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION TO THAT QUITE HONESTLY BECAUSE I, I, I DON'T PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMEONE SERVING THEIR EIGHT YEARS AND THEN IF THEY'RE OFF CYCLE WANTING TO RUN. BUT SEEMINGLY THE LOOPHOLE IS THAT THEY COULD THEN CONTINUE, UM, FOR AN ADDITIONAL 16 UNDER THE CONCURRENT LANGUAGE. AND I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT SINCE WE TALKED WHEN I, WHEN I RAISE THIS UP AND I DON'T HAVE A GOOD SOLUTION TO THAT, BUT I IT'S JUST IN THERE IN CASE IT GETS RAISED LATER. DOES DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT I UNDER THIS CURRENT LANGUAGE? SO MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. THANK YOU. CAN YOU PUT THE CURRENT LANGUAGE UP AGAIN PLEASE? POWERPOINT SLIDE. DO BE THE CURRENT LANGUAGE TODAY? YEAH. WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR POTENTIALLY VOTING ON, RIGHT? OH, THE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT? YEAH. THE, I BE THE ONE YOU'RE COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, THAT THIS WOULD BE IT. I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR. IT SAYS THE PERSON WHO ELECTED TO SERVE 16 CONSECUTIVE YEARS ACCOMMODATION, OFFICE OF COUNCIL MAYOR SHALL NOT BE ABLE TO HOLD THE OFFICE UNTIL THE LAST TERM SERVED FOUR YEARS. CONSECUTIVE MEANS TIED TOGETHER. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE IS A BREAK. THAT'S MY, THERE'S TWO, THERE'S TWO PARTS UP THERE THOUGH. IT JUST, THIS LANGUAGE, IT JUST MEANS THEY COULD NOT SERVE ANOTHER FOUR YEARS AS COUNCIL, BUT THEY COULD AND AND I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN FROM COUNCIL AND, UM, BE ABLE TO RUN FOR MAYOR. BUT THE CONSECUTIVE WOULD BE IF THEY THEN CHOSE TO RUN FOR MAYOR TO GO BACK TO COUNCIL, IS THAT THEY COULD HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL 16 YEARS. THAT WAS, THAT'S MY POINT. I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT ATTORNEY. DO YOU SEE THAT IN THIS? YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. I APOLOGIZE. I SAID, DO YOU SEE THAT IN THIS LANGUAGE? DID IT ACCOUNT THAT A, IS IT A QUESTION WHETHER A MAYOR COULD RUN FOR ANOTHER, COULD SOMEONE STOP AT 16 YEARS AND THEN DO ANOTHER 16 YEARS? THAT, IS THAT THE QUESTION? NO, MY, I THINK, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT MY, MY FIRST RAISING WITH THIS IS EIGHT YEARS ON COUNCIL, FINISHING YOUR TERM, STEPPING DOWN AND THEN RUNNING FOR MAYOR. THAT'S NOT CONSECUTIVE OR UNLESS TO ME, CONSECUTIVE MEANS THAT THEY'RE TIED TOGETHER WITH NO BREAK AND THEN BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO [01:00:01] 16 CONSECUTIVE YEARS. MAYOR, THAT'S CORRECT. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ELECTED TO, TO THE SAME AGAIN FOR FOUR. SO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE CONSECUTIVE, LET ME BACK UP. YEAH. TWO, UM, A PERSON WHO IS ELECTED AND SERVED 16 CONSECUTIVE YEARS IN A COMBINATION OF THE OFFICES WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE. THEY'D HAVE TO SIT OUT FOR FOUR YEARS, TAKE A, A BREAK IN SERVICE OF FOUR YEARS SINCE THE END OF THEIR LAST TERM. A PERSON SHOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE, UM, WHO IS ELECTED TO TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS AS COUNCIL MEMBER OR TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS AS MAYOR SHOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO HOLD THE SAME OFFICE AGAIN FOR FOUR MORE YEARS. RIGHT. THEY HAVE TO SIT OUT FOR FOUR YEARS TO BE, TO BE RUN. IF YOU'RE A COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU HAVE TO SIT OUT FOR FOUR YEARS AFTER TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS TO RUN FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER. AGAIN, IF YOU'VE BEEN MAYOR, YOU HAVE TO SIT OUT FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE, AFTER YOU'VE HAD TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS, AS MAYOR, YOU HAVE TO SIT OUT FOR FOUR YEARS BEFORE YOU CAN RUN FOR MAYOR AGAIN. AND THEN THE NEXT SENTENCE IS TO ADDRESS, IF YOU RUN A COMBINATION CONSECUTIVE, TWO TERMS AS COUNCIL MEMBER, TWO TERMS AS MAYOR, THEN THAT PERSON MUST SIT OUT FOR FOUR YEARS. AND MAYOR, I'M STILL YEAH, PLEASE PROCEED. DID THE UM, ATTORNEY, THE ELECTION ATTORNEY THAT WE HIRED, DID THEY LOOK AT THIS? I SEE A YES THERE. YES, YOU DID. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT, THAT IS ELECTION ATTORNEY, UH, WHO IS VERY WELL KNOWN JUDICIARY, AND THAT ATTORNEY LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID, THIS IS CORRECT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. YES, YOU DID, MAYOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. IF I MAY GO BACK, UM, TO THE QUESTION THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HOLSTEIN, I, UH, FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW BECAUSE I DIDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT, UM, THE ATTORNEY BEING, UH, GETTING ADVICE FROM THE ATTORNEY AND GOING OUTSIDE FOR COUNSEL AND ALL THOSE THINGS UNTIL WEDNESDAY, PRIOR TO THE FRIDAY WHEN WE MAKE THE, THE, THE DISCUSSION TO HAVE A MEETING ON MONDAY. I DIDN'T FIND OUT ANYTHING ABOUT THAT UNTIL, UH, WEDNESDAY NIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHICH, UM, WHICH COUNCIL MEMBER, BECAUSE WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, TO GO TO THE ATTORNEY WITH INFORMATION AND REQUEST THAT SHE LOOKS INTO THINGS. I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT WHO DID THAT. UM, DO WE HAVE IT ON RECORD? WHO GAVE THE DIRECTION TO THE ATTORNEY TO GO TO OUTSIDE CONSULT MAYOR FOR THAT? TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, IT WOULD BE TO, YOU WOULD BE SOMETHING TO BE PUT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. SHE'S NOT HERE RIGHT NOW. IT'S ALSO CALLS FOR A PRIVILEGED RESPONSE. I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO PROVIDE THAT ANSWER IN THIS PUBLIC SETTING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. THE NEXT QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, UM, SINCE WE HAVE PRECEDENT, AS YOU HAVE BEEN SO CLEARLY, UH, STATED, AND YOU SHOW US THE, THE, ALL THE PREVIOUS MAYORS AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND EVERYBODY WHO HAVE RUN THE SAME WAY ALL THE WAY BACK TO MAYOR, UH, PAYNE, WHO HAVE RUN CONSECUTIVELY THE, THE 16TH, THE THE EIGHTH, AND THEN COME BACK AND DO TWO WITH MAYORS AND, UH, NOT THE SAME OFFICE BECAUSE OF THAT, COULD WE CONTINUE WITH THE SAME WAY WHILE WE WAIT TO GO AND GO BACK AND DO A TOTAL REVIEW OF THE CHARTER? UH, WILL THAT PUT US INTO ANY TYPE OF LITIGATION OR ANY TYPE WHERE THE CITY WILL INCUR ANY PROBLEMS IF WE CONTINUE BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE YEARS OF PRECEDENTS THAT WE HAVE AND ALLOW ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS CURRENTLY WHO ARE TERMING OUT, WHO WOULD LIKE TO RUN FOR MAYOR, TO RUN FOR MAYOR, AND THEN GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE PUBLIC INPUT SITTING DOWN WITH PEOPLE, PUT A COMMITTEE TOGETHER TO REVIEW EVERYTHING AND THEN PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AT THE SAME TIME THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS GONNA BE RUNNING. WILL THAT PUT JEOPARDIZE, JEOPARDIZE THE CITY IN ANY WAY? THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE AT THIS TIME THROUGH THE MAYOR, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR ELLIS. THAT THAT IS, THAT AGAIN IS, THAT DOES CALL FOR LEGAL ADVICE. WHAT I CAN, WHAT I CAN SAY TODAY IS THAT THE CONCLUSION IS THAT IT IS AMBIGUOUS. AND SO IF THE COUNCIL WISHES TO ADDRESS THAT AMBIGUITY AND PAT PROPOSE A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO GO TO THE VOTERS, WE PRESENT THIS RESOLUTION TO DO THAT. IT IS AN OPTION OF THE COUNCIL TO PUT IT INTO COMMITTEE AND TO, AND TO SEE WHAT THE RESULT IS THERE. IF IT'S, IF IT'S [01:05:01] NOT AMENDED AT THE NO, WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE COMMITTEE WILL NOT BE MAKING RECOMMENDATION TO US WHETHER TO AMEND OR NOT. THE COMMITTEE WILL PUT, WILL LOOK INTO THE CHARTER AS A WHOLE BECAUSE THIS CHARTER HAS NOT REALLY PRETTY MUCH BEEN DOING A THOROUGH REVIEW SINCE, UH, SINCE FOR 65 YEARS. AND SO TO PIECEMEAL IT THAT THAT'S MY, UH, VIEW RIGHT NOW AND DOING LITTLE PIECE HERE, AS WE COULD SEE, IT HAS DONE SO MANY DIFFERENT TIMES TO ACCOMMODATE DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING AND DIFFERENT WAYS. THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT US TO THIS PLACE RIGHT NOW. HAD WE REALLY SPEND THE TIME OVER THE YEARS TO, TO LOOK AND GET PUBLIC INPUT AND GET EVERYBODY INVOLVED TO THOROUGHLY DO A GOOD JOB WITH THIS CHARTER, WE WOULDN'T BE WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. AND IT SEEMS LIKE BY US TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING ON SO QUICKLY RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO PUT US IN THE SAME POSITION. SO WHAT I'M ASKING YOU IS LEGAL WILL THIS ALLOWING PRECEDENTS TO TAKE, TO TAKE, UH, PLACE RIGHT NOW TO ALL ALLOW, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO HAS PULLED PAPER TO RUN FOR MAYOR, THAT WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO TO RUN AND THEN STILL FIND A COMMITTEE TOGETHER TO PUT THE CHARTER AND EVERYTHING TOGETHER. SO IN ORDER FOR US TO REVIEW THAT AND PUT IT IN ON THE BALLOT IN 2026, WILL THAT JEOPARDIZE ANYTHING IN THE CITY? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE HOW IT WOULD BE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SO LONG. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR ELLIS, WE CANNOT OPINE ON WHETHER IT WILL PUT IN JEOPARDY AND PARTICULAR COUNCIL MEMBERS RUN FOR OFFICE. AND I I DID HEAR THAT. IS THAT RIGHT? SO WE CAN'T OPINE ON THAT ON INDIVIDUALS RUNNING FOR OFFICE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY REPRESENTS THE CITY OF CHANDLER AND THE WHOLE CITY COUNCIL AS A WHOLE. SO AS FAR AS THE PRECEDENT AND WHAT THAT CREATES AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE LITIGATION ALSO CANNOT OPINE ON WHETHER THAT WOULD HAPPEN AND WHAT THE, WHAT THE CHANCES ARE OF ANY KIND OF CHALLENGE TO A, TO AN INDIVIDUAL RUNNING FOR OFFICE. OKAY. SO WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU TO UH, NOW IT'S EITHER WE PUT IT ON THE BALLOT NOW OR WE, WE WAIT FOR 2026. EITHER WAY, A DECISION HAS TO BE MADE. THE COUNCIL MAY VOTE THIS RESOLUTION DOWN. THAT IS AN OPTION. I'M NOT ASKING WHETHER WE VOTED UP OR DOWN. I'M JUST ASKING YOU THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. THE TWO OPTIONS. YES. THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS. COUNCILMAN, UM, EXCUSE ME, VICE MAYOR ELLIS. THERE THERE IS THE OPTION TO PASS THE RESOLUTION. WELL, THERE, THERE ARE A FEW OPTIONS. THERE'S AN OPTION TO DO NOTHING. THERE'S AN OPTION TO, TO PASS RESO RESOLUTION 5 9 1 3. THERE'S AN, THERE'S AN OPTION TO PUT IT TO A COMMITTEE TO LOOK, LOOK AT CHARTER AMENDMENTS. WELL, YOU JUST GAVE ME, GAVE ME, GAVE ME THREE OPTIONS. YOU SAID DO NOTHING. THAT'S WHAT I WAS DISCUSSING EARLIER BY SAYING IF WE DO NOTHING, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT WILL THE RAMIFICATION BE? YOU SAID THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT. AND THEN NOW YOU GAVE IT TO ME AS AN OPTION AGAIN, VICE MAYOR ELLIS AND THROUGH THE MAYOR, MY APOLOGIES. THERE, THERE IS AN OPTION TO DO NOTHING. THE, THE, THE RESOLUTION WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO ADDRESS AN AMBIGUITY. BUT THE, THE RESOLUTION, IF IT DOESN'T PASS, THEN THE COUNCIL IS CHOOSING TO DO NOTHING. OR THE COUNCIL CAN ALSO PUT IT INTO A COMMITTEE IF, IF THE COUNCIL CREATES A COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT CHARTER AMENDMENTS. BUT THE THEN THE COUNCIL DOES NOT, IS NOT REQUIRED TO DO, TO DO, TO HAVE A COMMITTEE. AND IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO PASS THIS RESOLUTION. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO ADDRESS THE AMBIGUITY IN THE CHARTER. OH, OKAY. SO I MEAN, ON MONDAY NIGHT FOR SOME REASON I DIDN'T HEAR THAT PART. UM, COULD I, COUNCIL, I JUST WANTED TO YOUR POINT, 'CAUSE UM, I, I'M READING HERE WITH THE NEW LANGUAGE ON HERE AND IT SAYS A PERSON WHO WAS ELECTED TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS AS A COUNCIL MEMBER OR TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS AS A MAYOR SHALL NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO HOLD THE SAME OFFICE AGAIN UNTIL FOUR YEARS HAVE ELAPSED SINCE THE END OF THE LAST TERM, SERVED A PERSON WHO IS ELECTED AND SERVED 16 CONSECUTIVE YEARS IN A COMBINATION OF THE OFFICES OF COUNCIL MEMBER. AND MAYOR SHALL NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO HOLD EITHER OFFICE AGAIN [01:10:01] UNTIL FOUR YEARS HAVE LAPSED SINCE THE END OF THEIR LAST TERM SERVED. SO I THINK THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION THERE. NO, NO, BECAUSE TO ME CONSECUTIVE MEANS NO BREAK. AND IF THERE WAS A SERVING EIGHT YEARS AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND BECAUSE, UM, A COUNCIL MEMBER IS OFF CYCLE, THAT, THAT THE, THE SHOT CLOCK STARTS OVER AGAIN BECAUSE THEY'VE TAKEN A BREAK, NOT CONSECUTIVELY. AND THEN RUNNING FOR MAYOR STARTS THE 16 YEAR CONSECUTIVE, MEANING THERE'S NO BREAK BETWEEN. THAT'S, THAT'S MY QUESTION WITH THIS LANGUAGE. SO THE FIRST EIGHT YEARS ARE NOT CONSECUTIVELY TIED WITH THE ADDITIONAL 16 IN MY UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONSECUTIVE. CONSECUTIVE MEANS YOU TAKE NO BREAK UNLESS, UNLESS, UH, A DICTIONARY THAT CAN, CAN, UH, EDUCATE ME ELSEWISE, I'M JUST SAYING I'M, I'M NOT HAPPY WITH THE LANG. I I JUST THINK THERE'S THINGS IN HERE THAT WE HAVEN'T FULLY ADDRESSED IS MY POINT. AND, UM, AND WHETHER, AGAIN, THAT GETS, UH, ADDED AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, I'VE, I'VE, UH, SENT YOU TWO EMAILS INVITING YOU TO, UM, GIVE ME NAMES TO START A CHARTER REVISION THAT WITH YOUR CONTINUANCE. WE WILL, I WILL, I'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH AND THEN ACCORDING TO OUR CONSTITUTION, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE YOUR NAMES AS PART OF THAT. SO I'M, I'M FULLY READY AND REARING TO START A, A CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE WITH PEOPLE THAT YOU WOULD CHOOSE TO BE ON THERE, BUT I, IT'S STILL, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ANOTHER, I JUST THINK THIS LANGUAGE, WE'RE NOT TOTALLY THERE YET. THAT'S MY POINT. IT MIGHT GET US A STEP FARTHER, BUT IT'S, WE'RE JUST, I'M NOT CONVINCED WE'RE THERE. SO ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE INVITE THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I KNOW THE AGENDA WENT OUT YESTERDAY. CAN YOU TELL ME WHEN THE UH, AMENDMENT PROPOSALS WENT OUT AS WELL? WAS THAT AT THE SAME TIME AND WHAT TIME? THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS? IT WAS AT THE SAME TIME. SO 24 HOURS? THAT'S CORRECT. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH, TODD. JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THIS ITEM. UM, I UNDERSTAND. SO MAYOR, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT IF THERE IS, UM, WHAT DOES CONSECUTIVE LOOK LIKE TO, DID YOU GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE ELECTION ATTORNEY IN REGARDS TO THIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE? THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY SAID THAT THAT SUPPOSED TO BE EIGHT YEARS ON, FOUR YEARS OFF. DID YOU GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO ELECTION ATTORNEY? THIS, THIS LANGUAGE WAS, WAS RAN BY THE ELECTIONS ATTORNEY. SHE, UM, OPINED THAT IT IS SOUND AS FAR AS DID WE, DID I TALK TO HER ABOUT DIFFERENT SCENARIOS? NO. OKAY. SO DOES THE ELECTION ATTORNEY, THE ELECTION ATTORNEY HAS ALREADY REVIEWED THIS LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO POTENTIALLY, UM, VOTE YES OR NO ON TO PUT ON A RESOLUTION COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS? THAT'S CORRECT. THE LANGUAGE AS IT STANDS, IT REMAINS UNCLEAR. UM, HISTORICALLY IT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, EIGHT YEARS, BASICALLY EIGHT YEARS AS A COUNCIL MEMBER. AND TYPICALLY YOU MOVE ON TO BE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE AMBITIONS, YOU CAN MOVE ON TO BE THE MAYOR FOR THE FOLLOWING EIGHT YEARS, WHICH MEANS THERE ARE 16 CONSECUTIVE TERMS, 16 CONSECUTIVE YEARS AND THEN IT SHUT OFF SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND I THINK, UM, THE CONCERN IS THAT IF A PERSON WHO'S IN THE OFF CYCLE, IF A COUNCIL MEMBER'S IN THE OFF CYCLE AND THEY TAKE A TWO YEAR BREAK, UM, NOT BY MERE FORCING, BUT JUST THEY'RE TAKING A TWO YEAR BREAK AND THEN THEY WANT TO PICK BACK UP AND, AND RUN FOR, UM, LET'S SAY THE MAYOR ORIO SEAT OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. DOES THAT LANGUAGE ADDRESS THAT GAP? COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, THAT LANGUAGE DOES NOT ADDRESS THAT GAP. THE, IF, IF WITH AN OFF YEAR AND A TWO YEAR, UM, BREAK IN SERVICE WOULD MEAN THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE A 16 YEAR PROHIBITION. OKAY. SO I GUESS THEN THE FOLLOWING QUESTION IS THAT IF, IF A COUNCIL MEMBER IN THE FU THE FUTURE COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF THEY RUN FOR EIGHT YEARS, THEY WIN. THEY'RE IN THE OFF CYCLE. THERE'S A TWO YEAR BREAK, THEN THEY DECIDE TO, LET'S SAY THEY DECIDE TO RUN FOR MAYOR. UM, IS THERE A QUESTION OF WHETHER THEY CAN THEN GO FOR MAYOR BACK TO COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, SERVE FOR MAYOR FOR EIGHT YEARS AND THEN GO BACK TO COUNCIL TO SERVE FOR EIGHT YEARS? THE LANGUAGE DOES NOT ADDRESS DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY SAY ADDRESS THAT. HOWEVER, BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A TWO YEAR GAP THEY COULD RUN, THEY'RE NOW, THEY'RE PROHIBITED FROM RUNNING FOR MAYOR. THEY'VE TURNED OUT [01:15:01] THEY COULD RUN FOR COUNCIL MEMBER. OKAY. SO THE LANGUAGE BASICALLY, SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT, SO 'CAUSE COUNCIL MEMBERS, JUST FOR EVERYONE UNDERSTANDING COUNCIL MEMBERS RUN, THERE'S THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT RUN AT A TIME EVERY TWO YEARS. AND THEN ONCE THOSE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS RUN FOR THOSE, FOR THAT TIME, THERE IS A GAP THAT THEY COULD HAVE. LIKE THEY CAN BE IN THE OFF MAYOR ORAL CYCLE. AND IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT CAN WE, CAN WE, CAN WE ADDRESS THAT? IS THAT ADDRESSABLE THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER PARIS? THIS, THIS COUNCIL MAY ADDRESS THAT THERE COULD BE A MOTION TO AMEND THE LANGUAGE THAT'S PROPOSED IN THIS RESOLUTION. THIS, OR AT A, AT A DIFFERENT TIME. BUT THAT COULD BE, OBVIOUSLY THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED. THIS WAS TO THE, THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE WAS TO ADDRESS WHAT WAS AMBIGUOUS AND TO REFLECT THE, THE HISTORICAL PRACTICE AND WHAT, UM, FOR THE 16 CONSECUTIVE YEARS IN, IN THE CITY OF CHANDLER AND WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE 1972, SO AS TO REFLECT THAT. BUT OH YES, THE ANSWER IS YES. OKAY. AND THEN AGAIN, I JUST, I JUST LOOKED THIS UP. CONDUCT CONSECUTIVE MEANS FOLLOWING ONE ANOTHER IN UNINTERRUPTED SUCCESSION OF ORDER. SO UNINTERRUPTED IS CONSECUTIVE AS LANGUAGE. SO MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER, MAYOR, I, I, BUT I ACTUALLY VICE MAYOR, LEMME GO REAL QUICK. YEAH, YEAH. YOU ARE INTERPRETING IT DIFFERENTLY THAN THE MAYOR'S UNDERSTANDING IT. IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? IF I UNDERSTAND THE, THROUGH THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, IF I UNDERSTAND THE MAYOR CORRECTLY, THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER OR NOT SOMEBODY WHO HAS A TWO YEAR BREAK IN SERVICE BETWEEN COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR COULD THEN GO BACK AND RUN FOR COUNCIL MEMBER AFTER TERMING OUT AS MAYOR. CORRECT. AND THE ANSWER IS THAT UNDER THE AMENDMENT, IF THE AMENDMENT WERE TO PASS ON THE LANGUAGE TO THE CHARTER, THAT IS CORRECT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A CONSECUTIVE 16 YEARS. THE PROHIBITION IS ONLY FOR A CONSECUTIVE 16 YEARS. YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE A FOUR, FOUR YEAR BREAK IN SERVICE BEFORE YOU COULD RUN FOR EITHER OFFICE. AGAIN, IF THERE WAS A TWO YEAR BREAK IN BETWEEN GOING FROM COUNCIL MEMBER TO MAYOR, THEN THERE YOU DON'T HAVE THE, THE LANGUAGE DOES NOT PROHIBIT THAT THAT PERSON FROM RUNNING IT, IT PROHIBITS THEM FROM RUNNING FOR MAYOR, BUT IT WOULD NOT PROHIBIT THEM FROM RUNNING FOR COUNCIL BECAUSE THERE WOULDN'T BE A 16 CONSECUTIVE YEAR ISSUED. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. UM, MAYOR, IF I MAY GO BACK TO THE A QUESTION THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, OEE HARRIS ASKED CONCERNING THE ATTOR ATTORNEYS, UH, WHICH, WHICH ARE ELECTION ATTORNEYS AT THIS TIME, HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE WE CONSULTED WITH? BECAUSE I HEARD YOU VERY CLEARLY, MS. DONDA, YOU SAID THAT YOU SAID THERE WERE MANY DIFFERENT, UM, VIEWS OR POSITION ON THE INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THEY READ ON IN THE CHARTER. HOW MANY DID WE, DID WE CONSULT AND HOW MANY DIFFERENT OPINION DID WE HAVE? YES. UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR, VICE VICE MAYOR. WHAT THAT IS A REFERENCE TO IS, SO WE HAVE OUR ELECTIONS ATTORNEY, OUTSIDE ELECTIONS ATTORNEY. WE CONSULTED WITH, WE HAVE THE ATTORNEYS IN THE OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY. WE ALSO RECEIVED MM-HMM . YES. AND THEN THE THIRD CATEGORY IS WE RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM OUTSIDE OF THAT. WE RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM THAT. IT'S SOME OUTSIDE OTHER ATTORNEYS WHO ARE NOT ATTORNEYS FOR THE CITY OF CHANDLER HAVE A DIFFERING, DIFFERING VIEWS. AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I EVEN SEEN SOMEONE WHO HAS AN OPINION WHO LIVES IN CALIFORNIA ALSO IN ONE OF THE ARTICLES ALSO HAD AN OPINION ABOUT IT. SO THERE WERE MANY OPINIONS AND THEY DEFER WITH EACH OTHER CONCERNING THIS WHAT BRINGING ME RIGHT BACK TO MY POINT THAT I MADE BECAUSE OF SUCH DIFFERENT OPINIONS. SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE AN INTERPRETATION ABOUT IT. AND, AND I THINK IT'S SAFE FOR US TO SAY THAT WE CONTINUE WITH PRECEDENCE AND THEN WE CLING THIS STUFF SERIOUSLY. WE TAKE THE TIME AND CLEAN THIS THING SO THAT WE NEVER HAVE TO COME THIS WAY AGAIN. MAYOR, THANK YOU MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. UNDER THE CURRENT, UNDER THE CURRENT OPINION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, CAN THE [01:20:01] MAYOR RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL? AND UNDER THE NEW LANGUAGE, CAN THE MAYOR RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL? AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, UNDER THE CURRENT OPINION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, CAN COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO RUN FOR MAYOR AND UNDER THIS LANGUAGE, THE NEW LANGUAGE, CAN COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO RUN FOR MAYOR? I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. THE MAYOR, A COUNCIL MEMBER. POSTON THE, IF I COULD CLARIFY YOUR QUESTION, BECAUSE THE OPINION WAS RECEIVED FROM AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY, CHRISTINA ER, UM, THE ELECTIONS ATTORNEY. SO WHAT THE, WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS CONCLUDED IS IT'S AMBIGUOUS. AND, AND THAT'S IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEMO, BUT IT'S THE OUTSIDE ATTORNEY WHO LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID THAT THERE ISN'T, THERE IS A TERM LIMIT THAT MAYOR CANNOT RUN FOR COUNCIL MEMBER WITHOUT SITTING OUT FOUR YEARS MM-HMM . AND, UM, AND THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH A COUNCIL MEMBER RUNNING FOR FOUR YEARS. I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE POSITION OF MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER VERSUS ABSOLUTELY A PERSON. ABSOLUTELY. AND BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO PINE ON WHETHER, UM, THE UNDERSTOOD, UNDERSTOOD. THAT'S BE, THAT'S A BETTER APPROACH. THANK YOU. BUT SHE DID, UM, OPINE THAT, THAT, UH, A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO HAS SERVED TWO CONSECUTIVE FOUR YEAR TERMS COULD NOT, WOULD, COULD NOT RUN FOR MAYOR WITHOUT TAKING A BREAK IN SERVICE. AND GREAT. AND THEN I THINK WHAT IS, COULD YOU GO BACK TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS AND THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE DONE THAT, AND THEN MAYBE PLEASE GIVE US AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW HEAVILY WE WEIGH PRECEDENT WHEN IT COMES TO LAW. SURE. THROUGH MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, UM, HISTORICALLY WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD, UM, 16 CONSECUTIVE YEARS HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE. THERE WAS A 12 CONSECUTIVE POINT WHEN THE MAYOR WAS A TWO YEAR TERM MAYOR POSITION MM-HMM . AND, AND SO 12 CONSECUTIVE YEARS WERE ALLOWED THINGS, LANGUAGE GOT FLUBBED UP AND BECAME AMBIGUOUS WITH SOME CHANGES TO THE, WHAT APPEARS TO BE JUST, JUST THE LENGTH OF THE TERM OF THE, OF THE MAYOR MM-HMM . UM, AND OTHER CITIES. SO MESA FOR EXAMPLE, HAS THIS 16 YEAR CONSECUTIVE, LIKE CLEAR, LIKE IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU CAN RUN FOR TWO TERMS, TWO, FOUR YEARS AS COUNCIL MEMBER AND TWO, FOUR YEARS AS MAYOR AND HAVE 16 CONSECUTIVE YEARS. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK IN SERVICE. THIS LANGUAGE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED WOULD ALIGN WITH THE CITY OF MESA AND IT WOULD ALIGN WITH HISTORICAL PRACTICE OF THE CITY OF CHANDLER, WHICH, WHICH HAS BEEN 16 CONSECUTIVE YEARS OF TWO TERMS AS COUNCIL MEMBER, TWO TERMS AS MAYOR. RIGHT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A TONGUE TWISTER. AND AND HOW HEAVILY DO WE WEIGH PRECEDENT IN THE TERMS OF THE LAW? WELL, PRECEDENT IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, CERTAINLY. OKAY. BY, BY COURTS AND BY BY PUBLIC. IT'S, IT'S AND BY HOW INTERPRET THINGS ARE INTERPRETED IN THE CHARTER. OKAY. JUST IN GENERAL. YES. BUT AS TO AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE AMBIGUOUS LANGUAGE WITH MULTIPLE OPINIONS. AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS TO GET IT TO THE VOTERS AND TO CLARIFY THEIR INTENT, WHICH IS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WE'RE GONNA HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE INTENT OF THE VOTERS IN THE PREVIOUS ELECTIONS. DID, DID WE DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT? THE INTENT OF THE VOTERS? WE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, WE PRESENTED THE, THE PUBLICITY PAMPHLETS, AND THEN WE PRESENTED INFORMATION ON WHICH WE HAVE, WE, WE'VE DUG THROUGH ALL OF THAT. WE PRESENTED INFORMATION, UH, SUMMARIZING WHETHER THE VOTE IS VOTERS REJECTED OR APPROVED CERTAIN CHARTER AMENDMENTS FOR THIS PARTICULAR SECTION. OKAY. AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. IF I MAY ASK THE ATTORNEY AGAIN, LET'S GO BACK TO PRECEDENCE, BECAUSE I HAVE DONE ALSO MY HOMEWORK AND SPEAKING WITH JUDGES. AND WHETHER IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA OR OUTSIDE OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA, THE HIGHER COURT SUPREME COURT MAKE SOME PHONE CALLS THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. AND IN THIS CASE FOR C CHANCELLOR, IF PRESIDENT DOES NOT TAKE, DOES NOT WEIGH VERY HEAVILY, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO ALL THE WAY TO MAYOR PAYNE FROM THE TIME WHEN HE RUN AND CONSECUTIVELY WITH HIM, UH, MAYOR DON, MAYOR, UH, JAY, AND CURRENTLY THE MAYOR. HOCKEY MEANING THAT EVERY SINGLE THING THAT THEY HAVE DONE AS MAYORS IN THEIR TENURES WILL HAVE TO BE ERASED AND WE WILL HAVE TO START US, UH, FROM SCRATCH AGAIN. SO THIS IS HOW HEAVILY PRESIDENTS IS WEIGHING IN THIS CASE, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THE PEOPLE [01:25:01] OF CHANDLER A CHANCE TO GO AT THIS CHARTER AND DO A PROPER REVIEW FOR IT. AND THAT'S WHERE I AM REALLY NOT STRUGGLING, BUT I HAVE A CONCERN THAT IF PRESIDENTS DOES NOT WEIGH IN THIS CASE, THEN WE WILL HAVE TO REALLY ASK OURSELVES A QUESTION, SOME REAL DEEP QUESTIONS. BUT HOW, HOW HAVE WE BEEN RUNNING THIS CITY IF PRESIDENTS DOESN'T REALLY WORK? AND WE ALL AGREED THAT IT DOES. AND SO THEREFORE WE CAN CONTINUE AS IS GIVE THE PEOPLE OF CHANDLER A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH THIS REVIEW PRO PROCESS AND THEN PUT IT ON THE BALLOT IN 2020 STATES WITHOUT AFFECTING NOBODY AND HURTING THE CITY IN ANY WAY FOR THAT MATTER. AND WE CAN CONTINUE DOING THAT. SO THAT, THAT'S THE PART THAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO WEIGH IN. UM, ATTORNEY DAWN, VICE MAYOR ELLIS, UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR, IT'S, IT WOULD BE SPECULATIVE TO KNOW IF IT WENT TO COMMITTEE, WHAT, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT, IF THE CHARTER IS NOT AMENDED AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. AND, UM, BUT THE PRECEDENT DOES HOLD, HOLD WEIGHT. IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF SOMETHING WERE CHALLENGED IN COURT, THE PRECEDENT HAS PART OF A FACTOR THAT A COURT WOULD CONSIDER. UM, THAT'S AS ALMOST AS MUCH AS I CAN SAY WITHOUT COMPLETELY SPECULATING. UM, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS WITHIN THE CITY COUNCILS, UM, DISCRETION TO SEND THIS TO, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, TO A COMMITTEE AND, AND NOT PASS THIS RESOLUTION TODAY. COUNSEL, ARE WE READY TO LISTEN TO, I'VE GOT QUITE A FEW SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS, WOULD YOU, ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY BEFORE WE INVITE THE AUDIENCE? RIGHT BEFORE, JUST RIGHT BEFORE WE GO TO COMMENTS? UM, ATTORNEY TODD, WHO PREPARED THE LANGUAGE FOR TODAY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, THAT WAS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND WITH THE ELECTIONS ATTORNEY AND MYSELF AND, UH, ANOTHER ASSISTANT ATTORNEY, A COUPLE OF OTHER ASSISTANT ATTORNEYS IN THE OFFICE. IT WAS, UM, IT WAS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT AND IT WAS THOROUGHLY REVIEWED BY LICENSED ATTORNEY BECAUSE MY, MY, MY CONCERN IS EVEN IF, EVEN NO MATTER WHERE WE GO WITH THIS, IF IT GOES TO A SUBCOMMITTEE WHERE THERE STAYS, MY CONCERN IS THAT IT STILL WILL BE ATTORNEYS THAT WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY TO LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE THAT'S WHO WE'RE PAYING AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING, EVEN IF WE CAN OPEN UP THE CHARTER AND SAY, THESE ARE ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS WE WANT FROM DISNEYLAND, AND WE PUT IT THERE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE ATTORNEYS WILL BE THE ONE TO SAY, THIS IS THE LANGUAGE, THIS IS THE INTENT, THIS IS THE INTERPRETATION. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M HEARING TODAY, IS THAT OUR ATTORNEYS ARE LICENSED ATTORNEYS BECAUSE IF THEY ARE WRITING LANGUAGE THAT, UM, THE INTENT IS TO DO THE VERY OPPOSITE, THEN THAT MEANS THEY WOULD NOT BE NECESSARILY DOING THEIR JOB. UM, AND THEN THE HISTORICAL PRECEDENCE HAS BEEN 16 YEARS ON, FOUR YEARS OFF. THAT'S BEEN THE HISTORICAL PRECEDENCE. AND, UM, YOU SAID THAT THAT DOES CARRY WEIGHT IN A COURT OF LAW? I'M, I AM, UM, I'M, I'M NOT A LAWYER, DID NOT GO TO SCHOOL TO BE A LAWYER, BUT I DO DEPEND ON THE PEOPLE I PAY TO BE THE LAWYER. AND I THINK THAT OVER TIME WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS 16 YEARS ON, FOUR YEARS OFF, THAT'S KIND OF BEEN THE GOAL, OR FOUR TERMS CONSECUTIVE ONE FOUR YEAR BREAK. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS. SO I, I KIND OF WANNA WEIGH THAT WITH THE FACT THAT I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I AM TRYING TO USE REASON TO UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE EVENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE ARE INSINUATING OTHER THINGS OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT, UM, HISTORICAL PRECEDENT MAY TAKE PLACE OR NOT, I'M NOT A LAWYER TO SAY THAT. I'M NOT A JUDGE TO SAY WHAT THAT COULD OR COULD NOT BE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR, THE ATTORNEYS PUT THIS TOGETHER, THIS LANGUAGE TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CAN GO TO THE, TO THE BALLOT. AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WANNA ARREST. IS THAT CORRECT OR DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? COUNCILS MEMBER HARRIS? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. I MEAN, THE LANGUAGE THOUGH IS TO BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE LANGUAGE ULTIMATELY IS IN A RESOLUTION, UM, TO GO TO THE VOTERS TO VOTE ON FOR AMENDING THE CHARTER, OR IF IT'S A COMMITTEE THAT THEN GOES TO THE COUNCIL OR, UM, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WERE TO BRING FOR A PETITION TO AMEND THE CHARTER. THOSE, THE, THE ROLE OF IT. [01:30:01] BUT IN THE ROLE OF THIS ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS TO REFLECT WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO WITH THE, WITH AMENDING THE CHARTER AND PUT TO PUT THE VOTERS. SO WE, WE, WE GIVE THE ADVICE ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS LANGUAGE GETS US OUT OF THE AMBIGUITY, WHETHER THIS LANGUAGE OR ANY OTHER LANGUAGE GETS US OUT OF THE AMBIGUITY, GETS TO THE PURPOSE OF WHAT THE CHARTER, UM, WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS THE CHARTER TO SAY, OR WHAT, AND THE VOTERS TO VOTE ON THE COUNCIL. LET ME, YOU KNOW, THAT, I MEAN, PUTTING IT TO THE VOTERS TO VOTE ON WHAT THE CHARTER, UM, SHOULD SAY. AND WHAT WE HOPE TO DO IS, IS TO LET YOU KNOW WHEN IT ALIGNS OR DOES NOT ALIGN WITH, UM, ELECTION LAWS, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER ARIZONA STATE LAWS AND OTHER PARTS OF THE CHARTER. SO DO WE, SO BASED ON YOUR ANALYSIS AND BASED ON OUR ATTORNEYS AND OUR GROUP OF ATTORNEYS THAT HAVE COME TO PUT THIS TOGETHER, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS REVIEWED THIS LANGUAGE AND FEELS THAT IT DOES, IT DOES ANSWER THE QUESTION OF AMBIGUITY OR IT DOES SPECIFICALLY SAYS THIS IS WHAT IT IS. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND COUNCIL MEMBER, MAY A RESIDENT RE OR A RESIDENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, THEIR TASK IS TO BE PRESENTED WITH AMBIGUITY AND INCONSISTENCY AND THEN TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL LEGAL'S POSITION IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER RECOMMENDATIONS ARE MADE, THAT THEY'RE LEGAL, THAT THEY STAND. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT EITHER OR. IT'S JUST HAVING MORE EYES ON IT TO, AND CITIZENS IN THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON WHATEVER'S PRESENTED WITH THEM. BUT ULTIMATELY WE PAY LEGAL TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT, THAT THEY DON'T PUT US INTO A BAD SPOT. YEAH, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M SAYING, MAYOR, IS THAT EVEN IF WE, EVEN WHEN, UM, AND I, I'M WAITING, I'M, I'M GONNA WAIT TO LISTEN TO, TO ALL THE COMMENTS THAT'S TODAY. BUT WHAT I AM SAYING THAT EVEN WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER THE SUBCOMMITTEE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD THEN STILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE SAME ATTORNEY TEAM TO INTERPRET AND WRITE THE STUFF. THE SAME ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TODAY, IT'S GONNA GO BACK TO THE SAME PEOPLE. SO WHETHER WE TAKE THE TIME TO, TO DO THAT, AND THAT'S FINE IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT IF COUNCIL, IF THAT'S WHAT WE END UP DOING TODAY. BUT I AM SAYING THAT IT'S GOING BACK TO THE SAME PEOPLE. AND SO I THINK THAT WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW, UM, ALL THE MAYORS BEFORE THEN, ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS BEFORE THEN ALL THOSE THAT WAS INVOLVED BEFORE THEN, IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THE COMBINATION OF THE LANGUAGE WENT RIGHT BACK TO THE SAME CITY ATTORNEY THAT WE HAVE TODAY. AND WHETHER WE COLLECTIVELY SAY ALL THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE WRONG, I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO SO MANY OF THE PREVIOUS MAYORS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WEIGH IN. AND I THINK OUR PRECEDENT THAT WE'RE SETTING TODAY IS THAT IT, WE PUT A HUNDRED PEOPLE TOGETHER, GUESS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? IT'S GOING BACK TO THE SAME LEGAL TEAM WHO'S GOING TO THEN SAY, WE'RE GONNA CIPHER OUT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GIVE. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHETHER WE TAKE A WEEK, WHETHER WE TAKE FIVE MONTHS, WHETHER WE TAKE A YEAR, IS GOING BACK TO THE SAME CITY ATTORNEY WITH THE SAME TEAM WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO TODAY TO MAKE THE SAME WAY. AND UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, AND I'M SURE WE'RE NOT, I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A A HUNDRED ATTORNEYS LOOKING AT THIS TOGETHER. I MEAN, ONE THING I KNOW ABOUT ATTORNEYS, BRO, THEY CAN FIND AN ANGLE ABOUT ANYTHING. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY CLEAR AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE COMMENTS TO COME FORWARD SO THAT WAY I CAN HEAR WHAT MY CONSTITUENTS ARE SAYING THEY WANT ME TO DO. THANKS, MAYOR. YEAH, AND I, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I'M NEITHER ATTORNEY EITHER, BUT AS I LOOKED AT THIS LANGUAGE THIS AFTERNOON, I FOUND A LOOPHOLE AND I THINK MORE EYES ON ANYTHING ARE BETTER A LOOPHOLE THAN, OR, OR LEGAL DEPARTMENT DID NOT SEE. AND NEITHER AM I AN ATTORNEY, BUT I JUST THINK THE MORE I, AS YOU PUT ON ANYTHING, YOU GET PERSPECTIVE AND THE SAME LEGAL TEAM WERE THEN ABLE TO BRING THINGS TOGETHER THAT'S SO MAYOR, WE CAN CLEAR UP YOUR CONCERN. MM-HMM . WOULD, IT, WOULD AN AMENDMENT TO THIS RESOLUTION TO CLEAR UP YOUR CONCERN. UM, BUT OVERALL, TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY THAT OUR, OUR TEAM THAT WE PAY TO, TO DO THIS, OUR LEGAL TEAM PAID TO DO THIS, TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF LOOK MORE AT. UM, EVERYONE IS INVITED TO LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE. IT WAS POSTED, UM, FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE, UM, THE LANGUAGE AS WELL. UH, IN FACT, CONSTITUENTS DID EMAIL IN WITH THE LANGUAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME INFORMATION I HAVE RIGHT HERE ON THE DIETS. EVERYONE HAS THE SAME INFORMATION AND SOME HAVE IT IN FRONT [01:35:01] OF THEIR HANDS TODAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR AREA, THEN WE CAN MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE IT COMES BACK WITH THAT. OR WE CAN LOOK AT THAT DIRECTLY AND, AND, AND ALLOW THE VOTERS TO LOOK AT THIS THEMSELVES IF THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TODAY. OKAY. KESSEL, YOU READY TO, UM, LISTEN TO FOLKS? ALRIGHT, UM, IN THE ORDER THAT THESE WERE PRESENTED TO ME IN THE ORDER THAT I'M GONNA CALL YOU UP. SO, UM, WHEN YOU COME UP, YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES TO TALK. PLEASE STICK ON TARGET OF THIS SPECIFIC, UH, ITEM. IT'S ALSO NOT A QUESTION OF, UH, PERSONALITIES UP HERE IN THE DAYS. IT'S, UH, PLEASE REFLECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE SPECIFIC, AS I MENTIONED, YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES. IT IS JUST AS VALID TO SAY I AGREE WITH THIS PERSON. AND RATHER THAN ARTICULATE, UH, IF YOU'RE SAYING THE EXACT SAME THING, UM, WHEN THE LIGHT IS GREEN, UM, I INVITE YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. WHEN IT TURNS YELLOW, IT'S TIME TO START WRAPPING UP YOUR COMMENTS. AND WHEN IT'S RED, IT'S TIME TO BE DONE. SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH ALL OF THAT. AND WITH THAT, UH, THE FIRST PERSON IS MR. BULLOCK BILL. AND PLEASE MAKE IT EASY ON ME WHEN YOU SEE IT TURNS RED, PLEASE. YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABOUT A SENTENCE AWAY. IS THAT IT? READY? THERE YOU GO. OKAY, MAYOR, COUNCIL, THANKS FOR, UH, LISTENING TO US. UH, I'D LIKE TO SAY FIRST THAT I DID, UH, SEND YOU AN EMAIL TOO, AND MOST OF MY COMMENTS ARE IN THAT, UH, I SEE OUR CITY CHARTER AS KINDA LIKE OUR BYLAWS AND EVERY ORGANIZATION I'VE BEEN IN THE BOARD CAN NEVER CHANGE THE BYLAWS. IF YOU WANNA AMEND THE BYLAWS OR YOU WANT TO SUSPEND THE RULES, YOU HAVE TO SEND IT TO THE BODY. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THE VOTERS SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN THIS. A COUPLE OF MEMBERS HAVE STATED THAT MAYBE WE BUILD A COMMITTEE AND REVAMP THE WHOLE THING. IF THE THING IS 64 YEARS OLD AND IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT IT, WHY ARE WE PUTTING A LITTLE BANDAID ON A LEAK WHEN THE WHOLE PIPE NEEDS REPLACING? WE JUST NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. UM, I THINK ALSO THAT VOTING ON THE RESOLUTIONS MIGHT BE A LITTLE SELF-SERVING, AND I THINK THAT IF YOU'RE VOTING ON THE RESOLUTIONS AND IT IMPACTS YOUR CURRENT OR FUTURE, CAN YOUR CURRENT OFFICE OR YOUR FUTURE CANDIDACY, I I THINK THAT, UM, MAYBE YOU SHOULD RECUSE YOURSELF FROM VOTING ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. I THINK THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE. UM, I'M HOPING THAT YOU'LL DO THE RIGHT THING AND THAT, UH, THAT WE CAN JUST MOVE FORWARD. UH, I DISAGREE WITH ALL OF THESE RESOLUTIONS. I I THEY NEED TO BE SENT TO THE VOTERS AND I JUST, UH, I DON'T KNOW. I, I'M JUST NOT HAPPY WITH, WITH THE WAY THIS HAS COME DOWN. IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'RE IN THIS POSITION AND I KNOW IT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS SOME OF YOU. UM, BUT THAT CAN'T BE THE ISSUE FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE CITIZEN. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I'M DONE. AND, AND AGAIN, COUNSEL, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS SINCE THIS IS SCHEDULED, BUT TO BE CLEAR, THE VOTERS DO VOTE ON THIS. SO IT'S JUST WHAT DO THEY VOTE ON? 'CAUSE THIS WILL BE, ANYTHING OF A CHARTER CHANGE GOES TO VOTERS TO VOTE UP OR DOWN. SO COUNCIL TONIGHT OR NOT IS MERELY SENDING SOMEONE SOME, UH, ITEMS TO THE VOTERS. OKAY. AND THEN THEY ULTIMATELY WILL VOTE UP OR DOWN ON IT. SO TONIGHT IS VOTING ON WHAT IS SENT TO THE VOTERS. CORRECT. AND WHEN IS IT SENT TO THE VOTERS? THE NEXT ELECTION WOULD BE NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER 4TH, I BELIEVE. OR IF IT GOES TO A CHARTER REVISION COMMITTEE. UM, SINCE THE LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE SET BY THE 9TH OF JANUARY AND WE WILL NOT HAVE A CHARTER REVISION COMMITTEE IN PLACE THE NEXT ELECTION POSSIBILITY OR NEXT ELECTION AFTERWARDS. AND WHAT DO WE DO UNTIL THEN? YEAH, WE'RE, YOU'VE SAID YOUR COMMENTS, SO WE'RE JUST DIALOG. WE WE OPERATE ON PRECEDENT ON, UM, PRACTICE. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, UM, THERE WAS AN ITEM ABOUT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS AFFECTED CITY ATTORNEY. UH, COULD YOU I I I'M NOT GONNA ASK THAT QUESTION. WHAT I WANNA KNOW, OR MAYBE TO CLARIFY [01:40:01] MY UNDERSTANDING, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE ARE ONLY THREE PEOPLE UP HERE ON THIS DAIS WHO WOULDN'T BE AFFECTED, UM, BY THIS LACK OF CHANGE IN THAT AMBIGUITY. AND THAT WOULD BE COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS, COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINAS AND MYSELF. IN TERMS OF IF THAT CURRENT, UM, LANGUAGE FROM THE OUTSIDE COUNCIL WOULD BE THAT A TWO TERM COUNCIL MEMBER COULDN'T RUN FOR MAYOR, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD LEAVE COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS IF SHE CHOSE TO RESIGN TO RUN, BUT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINAS AND I, IF, BECAUSE OUR TERMS WOULD ALIGN. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, THERE'S, THERE IS YOUR, I DID NOT FOLLOW YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS THINKING YOU WERE . WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS. THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT RECUSAL AND ABOUT THEM RECUSING AND, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE AT ALL WHEN WE ARE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ELECTIONS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE'RE ALL AFFECTED EVENTUALLY. SO, UM, BUT IN THAT CURRENT UNDERSTANDING, THE WAY I HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO BELIEVE IS THAT THE BENEFICIARIES OF THE CURRENT UNDERSTANDING OF THAT AMENDMENT OR OF THAT, THAT CHARTER LANGUAGE WOULD MEAN THAT IN TERMS OF THE NEXT ELECTION OF AVAILABILITY RUN, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE MYSELF AND COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINAS. THAT WOULD BE, BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY ONE TERM COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO RUN FOR MAYOR, WHICH I DON'T WANNA DO. I I, I, JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT IS NOT MY INTENT. I HAVE NO INTENTION. UM, BUT I STAND TO BENEFIT AND I STILL SEE THIS AS WRONG AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, THE CITY ATTORNEY IS NOT OPINED THAT ABOUT ANYONE BEING ELIGIBLE OR INELIGIBLE TO RUN FOR OFFICE AFTER THEY FINISH SERVING THE TERM THEY'RE IN. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE AN OPINION FROM AN OUTSIDE ELECTIONS ATTORNEY. WE HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY CONCLUDING THERE IS AMBIGUITY. AND SO THERE IS NO LEGAL CONFLICT IN THIS COUN IN ANYONE ON THIS COUNCIL VOTING ON THIS RESOLUTION. OKAY. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND COUNCIL MEMBER, I WOULD, IF WE WERE ACTUALLY MAKING THE DECISION RATHER THAN DEFERRING SOMETHING TO THE VOTERS. I IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFERENT THING IN MY, IN MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL. AND MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION THAT WE'RE NOT, TODAY, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT'S GOING INTO THE CHARTER. WE'RE VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC FOR THEM TO DECIDE IF SOMETHING'S GONNA GO INTO THE CHARTER BECAUSE WE SO OUR OATH TO THE CHARTER AND THEN THE VOTERS ARE THE ONE THAT TAKES THE CHARTER AND THEY DECIDE TO PUT WHATEVER LANGUAGE THEY WANT. AND WE COME BACK AND WE PUT THE LANGUAGE IN PER THE CITY ATTORNEY AND PER THE VOTE. SO WE'RE NOT VOTING ON CHARTER LANGUAGE THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE TODAY. WE'RE VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY GO ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER FOR YOU TO VOTE ON TO DECIDE IF YOU WANT THE LANGUAGE TO STAY UNCLEAR OR CLEAR. AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOU WILL BE DOING IN NOVEMBER. ALL RIGHT. NEXT SPEAKER. UM, MR. MKI, PLEASE COME STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHT BEFORE YOU START MY TIME. I APPRECIATE IF I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST ASK A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION. I'VE HEARD EVERYTHING THAT'S PART OF YOUR COMMENTS, I THINK, SIR. SO PLEASE PROCEED. THEY'RE NOT PART OF MY COMMENTS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN VERY CONFUSED BY WHAT IS THE CURRENT LAW, UH, OR THE CURRENT, UH, CHARTER. AND WHEN THIS BECOME EFFECTIVE, I LET'S START THE CLOCK 'CAUSE THIS IS YOUR TIME TO, AND WE CAN RESPOND TO THAT. WELL, IF YOU'D RESPOND TO IT BEFORE I MAKE MY PRESENTATION, I'D APPRECIATE THAT. WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION AGAIN? WHAT IS THE CURRENT CHARTER LAW ON THIS AND WHEN DID IT BECOME EFFECTIVE? THE CURRENT CHARTER HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 72. SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE HAS BEEN NEBULOUS SINCE 72. UM, IT'S CHANGED AND ALTERED THROUGH THE YEARS, BUT THE LANGUAGE IN COMBINATION THEREOF HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 72. OKAY. BUT THE CURRENT LANGUAGE THAT THEY SAID THAT THE ATTORNEY THAT REVIEWED THIS WHO VERY CLEARLY STATED A PERSON HAS TO SERVE EIGHT CONSECUTIVE YEARS AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO SERVE AN ADDITIONAL TERM AS MAYOR OR COUNCIL MEMBER UNTIL THEY'VE HAD A, A FOUR YEAR BREAK. SO IT'S YOUR TIME. KEEP GOING IF THAT'S TRUE. WHEN YOU BECAME MAYOR, YOU WERE IN COUNCIL FOR NINE YEARS, ACCORDING TO YOUR BI YOUR, YOUR INFORMATION HERE. HOW DID YOU BECOME MAYOR? IF YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER [01:45:01] YOUR QUESTION IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR COMMENT POSSIBILITY I CAN. WELL, OKAY. WELL, MY COMMENT THEN IS AS CHANDLER RESIDENT AND LEGAL, UH, AIR ARIZONA, UH, REGISTERED VOTER, I'M ATTENDING THIS MEETING TONIGHT, UH, THAT THE COUNCIL NOT VOTE ON A RESOLUTION OF 59 13 TONIGHT, UH, BUT RATHER RESOLVE AND TO HOLD A SPECIAL ELECTION, A SPECIAL ELECTION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. UH, SO THE VOTERS BOTH, UH, UM, IN PERSON VOTING AS WELL AS A MAIL VOTING VOTERS DECIDE ON SUCH A CHANGE TO THE CHARTER AS WARRANTED AND DESIRED. WHILE WE KNOW THAT, UH, BOTH MAYOR AND CONS HAVE DONE SOME, UH, GOOD JOB, UH, AND SOME POSITIVE THINGS FOR CHANDLER, IF ANY PRIOR MAYORAL OR CONS ELECTIONS WERE NOT THEN AND ARE NOT NOW IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CURRENT CITY CHARTER, THEN WITH RESPECT TO THE VOTERS, PROCEDURAL JUSTICE AND DUE PROCESS OF LAW SHOULD BE TAKEN IMMEDIATELY TO CORRECT THAT VIOLATION AND LEGITIMIZE THAT OFFICE WITH QUALIFIED REPRESENTATIVE. AS THIS ISSUE ALONG WITH OTHER CITY LAWSUITS, UH, ARE, THAT ARE CURRENTLY PENDING, CAN HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE CITY'S BOND RATINGS THAT MAY IMPACT THE TAXPAYERS IN THE CITY BUDGET. THIS SPECIAL ELECTION SHOULD BE DONE IMMEDIATELY, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND THE, UH, RESOLUTION 59 14 CAN ALSO BE INCLUDED WITH THAT. THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU, UM, TO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, MAYOR? YEAH. UM, UM, HE MEANT, UH, MR. LINK HAS THANK YOU, UM, FOR SHARING YOUR COMMENTS. HE MENTIONED A SPECIAL ELECTION. HOW MUCH WOULD A SPECIAL ELECTION COST THE TAXPAYERS, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, THE COST FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION WHEN WE RUN AN ELECTION THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE EVEN NUMBERED YEARS IN AUGUST AND NOVEMBER, UM, THE COST IS APPROXIMATELY $471,000 RIGHT NOW, AND THAT INCLUDES THE AMOUNT THAT WE SPENT OR, UM, GIVE TO THE COUNTY AND THE AMOUNT FOR THE PUBLICITY PAMPHLET DURING A SPECIAL ELECTION. IF OTHER, UM, QUESTIONS ARE ON THE BALLOT FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS, LIKE IF THE SCHOOL BOARD RUNS AN ELECTION OR IF THE COUNTY PUTS A, AN ITEM ON THAT CAN REDUCE THAT COST, THAT 471,000, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT, HOW MUCH THAT REDUCES UNTIL, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WHO'S ON THE BALLOT BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING, UM, PER VOTER. SO IF WE SHARE SOME OF THOSE VOTERS, THEN THAT COST IS REDUCED. SO AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, A SPECIAL ELECTION NOT HELD IN AUGUST OR NOVEMBER OF EVEN NUMBERED YEARS IS APPROXIMATELY $471,000. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU MR. MKI. THANK YOU. NEXT ONE UP, LISA ASKEY, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. MY NAME IS LISA ASKEY AND I LIVE AT 2 3 0 1 EAST INDIAN WELLS DRIVE IN CHANDLER. UM, I AM VERY PERPLEXED BY A LOT OF THE INFORMATION I'M HEARING TONIGHT. UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND READ MY COMMENTS SO I CAN BE CLEAR. AS A NEARLY 40 YEAR RESIDENT OF CHANDLER, I'M SATURN TO LEARN THAT THE CITY CHARTER, OUR GUIDE TO GOOD LOCAL GOVERNANCE HAS BEEN MISINTERPRETED AND CONSEQUENTLY OVERLOOKED FOR THE PAST 50 YEARS. THIS DOCUMENT WRITTEN FOR THE PEOPLE AND ESSENTIALLY BY THE PEOPLE SHOULD BE CLEAR, CONCISE, AND NOT OPEN TO INTERPRETATION. UNFORTUNATELY, BOTH THE SECTION THAT IS IN QUESTION IN THE CHARTER AND THE PRO PROPOSED TO AMENDMENT TO FIX IT IS ANYTHING, BUT IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY UNFORTUNATE TO RUSH A VOTE TO AMEND THE CITY CHARTER. WHEN SET AMENDMENT IS POORLY WRITTEN AND OPEN TO MORE INTERPRETATION, MAYOR HARKEY SHOULD IMMEDIATELY CALL FOR A SUBCOMMITTEE CONSISTING OF CITY RESIDENTS AND LOCAL ATTORNEYS TO REVIEW THE FULL CITY CHARTER AND PROPOSE WITH CLARIFYING LANGUAGE, PROPER AMENDMENTS THAT WILL WITHSTAND LEGAL CHALLENGES. THE RESIDENTS OF CHANDLER DESERVE BETTER THAN WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED. WE ARE A CITY OF SMART, ENGAGED, AND CIVICALLY MINDED INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES THAT HAVE EXPRESSED FAITH IN OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS THROUGH OUR VOTES. I CALL ON EACH OF YOU OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO PRIORITIZE PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY AND TO PUT FORTH GOOD FAITH EFFORTS INTO SOLVING THESE ISSUES. PLEASE VOTE NO ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO PLACE TO BE PLACED ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER OF 2025 AND LOOK TO HAVING IT PLACED ON THE BALLOT IN 2026 AFTER A FULL REVIEW BY A SUBCOMMITTEE. PLEASE VOTE YES TO SUPPORT THIS SUBCOMMITTEE TO PROPERLY VET AND PROPOSE CLARIFYING AMENDMENT CHANGES IN PROPER TIMEFRAME. ONE THAT IS NOT RUSHED TO THE SOLE BENEFIT OF ANY PARTICULAR CANDIDATE, BUT [01:50:01] FOR THE GOOD OF THE CITY AND IT'S FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER. UM, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST WANT TO ASK A QUESTION. UM, IN THE PREVIOUS PAST OF THE CHARTER CHANGES, HAVE THERE BEEN UNDERNEATH OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, HAVE THERE BEEN A SUCH A SUBCOMMITTEE IN THE PREVIOUS PAST? DID THEY, DO YOU KNOW WHEN IT'S SPECIFICALLY DEALING WITH ELECTION? WAS THERE LIKE A, A COMMUNITY SUBCOMMITTEE THAT THAT DID HAPPEN? YES. SO THE, THE PREVIOUS LANGUAGE THAT ADDRESSING ELECTIONS, THERE WERE, I WAS ON A SUBCOMMITTEE, I THINK IN 94 APPOINTED BY MAYOR TIB, FOR EXAMPLE, TO LOOK AT THE CHARTER CHANGES INCLUDING THE ELECTIONS AS PART OF THAT. AND THERE'S THAT LIST THAT WAS PRESENTED. THERE'S QUITE A FEW, AND COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO HAS A LONGER WINDOW THAN I DO IN THE SAME WE MAYOR, PLEASE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE'VE DONE IT BOTH WAYS. WE'VE DONE IT FROM THE DIOCESE LIKE WE'RE DOING TONIGHT, MAY MAY CHANGE TO THE CHARTER OR AT LEAST RECOMMENDED CHANGES WENT TO THE VOTERS, VOTERS VOTED UP OR DOWN. WE'VE ALSO DONE IT THE OTHER WAY AS WELL. BOTH ARE SUCCESSFUL AND BOTH GO BACK TO WHAT HAS TO BE DONE TO THE VOTERS. THE VOTERS WILL DECIDE THIS. THAT'S THE KEY RIGHT NOW. SO WE'VE DONE IT BOTH WAYS. BOTH WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING IT TO THE, TO THE CHART TO THE, TO THE VOTERS TO VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS, QUICK QUESTION ON WHAT YOU MENTIONED AS FAR AS THAT WE'VE PROVIDED THIS IN THE PAST WITH BOTH WAYS. HAS IT EVER BEEN DONE DONE IN SUCH A RUSH SCENARIO THOUGH? UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE IN A TIGHT WINDOW AS FAR AS WHAT WE HAVE TO BE, UM, HITTING IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT NOVEMBER ELECTION. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH? IF WE'VE, WE'VE EVER DONE THAT OR HAVE WE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO, TO REALLY VET IT THROUGH? THERE'S BEEN, AGAIN, BOTH WAYS. IT WAS IN FACT ONE TIME IT WAS ON A CAS CONSENT AGENDA TO EXTEND TERMS. SO YEAH, I MEAN, A CONSENT AGENDA TELLS ME THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING. SO THIS IS NOT AN ACTION, IT WAS PUBLISHED. SO YES, IT'S BEEN BOTH WAYS. AND ON THES CONSENT AGENDA, WE, I FORCED IT TO GO TO ACTION SO WE COULD DISCUSS IT. SO, BUT YEAH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, NEXT PERSON, SHERRY JOHNSON, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS SHERRY JOHNSON. I AM AT 36 27 EAST AGAVE ROAD AND I SERVE AS A COMMUNITY LEADER FOR LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT 12, WHICH INCLUDES PARTS OF CHANDLER. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO VOICE MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR RESOLUTION 59 13, WHICH CALLS FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY CHARTER. THE CITY ATTORNEY'S REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION RAISES CONCERNS ABOUT LONGSTANDING PRECEDENT AND INVITES THE QUESTION WHY NOW WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE VERBIAGE IN THIS SECTION OF THE CHARTER REGARDING CONSECUTIVE TERMS IS BEING CALLED INTO QUESTION. BY AMENDING THE CHARTER, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESERVE THE HISTORICAL PRACTICE OF CONTINUOUS SERVICE, UPHOLD THE VOTERS LONGSTANDING SUPPORT FOR TERM LIMITS, AND ENSURE THAT COMMITTED PUBLIC SERVANTS ARE NOT UNFAIRLY PENALIZED BY AMBIGUOUS LANGUAGE. PLACING THIS CLARIFICATION ON THE NOVEMBER, 2025 ELECTION BALLOT IS A NECESSARY STEP TO PROVIDE VOTERS WITH CLEAR GUIDANCE WITHOUT ADDITIONAL COST TO TAXPAYERS BEFORE THE 2026 ELECTION. FOR CITY COUNCIL, IT WILL HELP THE CITY AVOID UNNECESSARY AND EXPENSIVE LITIGATION, AND IMPORTANTLY, PREVENT ANY PERCEPTION OF PARTISAN INTERFERENCE. FOR THESE REASONS, I RESPECTFULLY URGE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SUPPORT RESOLUTION 59 13. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR, CAN WE ASK THE AUDIENCE NOT TO APPLAUD IN BETWEEN OR NOT TO MAKE NOISE AND COMMENTS? OKAY, THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS DWAYNE LIDMAN. MR. LIDMAN, YOU OF ALL PEOPLE KNOW THE DRILL. DWAYNE LIDMAN 2301 WEST PALOMINO DRIVE, CHANDLER IN THE ORANGE TREE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, I READ THE ENTIRE VERBIAGE, UH, TEXT OF RESOLUTION 59 13 AND EXHIBITS A AND B AND I SUPPORT THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WOW, EFFICIENCY. NEXT UP IS JOE GRANADO. MR. GRANADO, WELCOME SIR. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES. MAYOR, COUNCIL. UM, MY NAME IS JOE NANDO. UH, [01:55:01] I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY YOU GIVING ME HERE TO TALK. I'M NOT GONNA BE AS FAST AS THAT GUY WAS, BUT I'M BE PRETTY QUICK. UM, THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE ACTUALLY THAT SAID SOME PRETTY IMPORTANT THINGS, WHICH I, I AGREE WITH. I DO GOTTA SAY, AS A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF CHANDLER, UM, NATIVE, WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL HERE, WENT TO COLLEGE IN THE STATE, HAD A BUSINESS HERE OF 30 YEARS THAT I SOLD. IT WAS RIGHT ON ECKLES ROAD. I AM CHANNELING, I LIVE IN SAN MARCOS AND I CAN TELL YOU TODAY, I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN THIS, RIGHT? I EXPECTED MORE, UM, FOR OUR LEADERS HERE. UM, OR I WOULDN'T SAY THE LEADERS ARE ACTUALLY AT FAULT HERE, BUT I'M HOPING THAT THE VERBIAGE THAT IS ACTUALLY PUT IN PLACE BY THE LEGAL HERE IN THE CITY IS CORRECT, SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. UM, AND THEN IF THAT'S NOT CORRECT, WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR LEGAL STAFF, RIGHT? FOR HAVING THIS, THESE PROBLEMS, OKAY? BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE IN CHANDLER FOR YEARS. THERE'S A FORMULA, FORMULA OF SUCCESS THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING HERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. CHANDLER'S GOOD, WE LOVE CHANDLER, BUT CHANDLER CAN USE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TOO AS WELL, OBVIOUSLY FROM THIS, RIGHT? SO ALL I'M SAYING IS I READ THE ORIGINAL, UM, DOCUMENTS, IT TALKS ABOUT THE, THE TERM LIMITS, AND I DON'T READ IT HOW THE ATTORNEY READS IT, I READ IT THAT, SO WE CAN CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT. THE AMENDMENT ACTUALLY SAYS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AND I LIKE WHAT IT SAYS. IT BASICALLY SAYS WHAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WHAT WE WANT HERE, WHICH IS A COUNCIL MEMBER TO GO, YOU KNOW, CAN GO UP TO EIGHT YEARS AND THEN GO ANOTHER EIGHT YEARS AS MAYOR AND THEN TAKE A BREAK OF FOUR YEARS BEFORE CONTINUING WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH PUBLIC SERVICE LIKE THAT. AGAIN, I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD MAINTAIN. I DON'T READ THAT, THE CONFUSION THAT I I'VE HEARD HERE. I DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY. UM, BUT I LIKE THE AMENDMENT. I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE THE AMENDMENT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. NEXT UP, UH, RENEE LOPEZ. YOU ALSO KNOW THE DRILL. I'M NOT USED TO THIS SIDE OF IT. ALL RIGHT, THANKS MAYOR COUNCIL, UH, APPRECIATE IT ALL THE TIME. LOVE THE DEBATE. UM, SO I'LL STICK TO MY TIME HERE. I'VE BEEN IN YOUR SITUATION BEFORE AND CAN'T APPRECIATE WEIGHING MANY OPINIONS, OPTIONS, THE NUANCES THAT YOUR VOTES ARE GONNA BE TAKEN TODAY. SO I HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH MANY OF YOU HERE, UH, AND UH, WITH MANY CHANDLER BUSINESSES, NONPROFITS, STAFF AND COMMUNITY LEADERS. AND I'VE BEEN APPROACHED MANY TIMES. THAT'S KIND OF WHY I'M HERE, IS I GOT ASKED WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON? SO TONIGHT, UH, I WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE MY OPINION AND SOME OF THE ADVISEMENT THAT I REMEMBER IN THE PAST. AND SO I'VE HELPED MANY OF YOU ON THE DAAS BEFORE WITH SOME ADVICE AND MENTORSHIP AND UH, I CONSIDER MANY OF YOU FRIENDS AND I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE A HEART FOR CHANDLER AND WANT THE BEST FOR EVERYONE IN THE CITY. SO I ASK YOU TO TAKE A DEEPER LOOK AND ASK WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CONSTITUENCY? A KNEE JERK REACTION TO PUSH THROUGH AN INCONCEIVABLE AMENDMENT THAT I'VE READ ALSO. AND WE HAVE HEARD ALREADY, MULTIPLE INTERPRETATIONS IN MY OPINION, STILL LACKS CLARITY AS THE MAYOR HAD POINTED OUT. AND, AND TO ME THAT MAKES ME ASK MORE QUESTIONS. SO AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THE NEGATIVE PERCEPTIONS THAT AND THE NOTORIETY THAT THIS IS GONNA READ TO THE CITY, BUT I IMPLORE YOU NOT TO MAKE IT BY APPROVING AN AMENDMENT THAT STILL EXPOSE US TO FURTHER SCRUTINY AND PUT FORTH A SOLUTION THAT MAKES OUR LEADERS YOU ALL LOOK UNQUALIFIED AND OF WHICH I KNOW YOU'RE NOT. SO I'VE HEARD THAT THERE'S A PERCEIVED NEED TO RUSH THIS TO ADDRESS LEGAL LIABILITY. HOWEVER, TO ME THAT SEEMS DISINGENUOUS HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED BEFORE THAT THE AGENDA ITEM ITSELF STATES OTHER LAWYERS HAVE REVIEWED THE LANGUAGE AND HAVE OTHER, OR HAVE REACHED DIFFERENT CONCLUSIONS. SO UNDER THE EXISTING CHARTER, AS ESTABLISHED BY DECADES OF PRECEDENT, EVERYONE'S INTENTIONS FOR FUTURE RUNS AS BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE, SHOULD BE UNAFFECTED. CHANDLER HAS GROWN PHENOMENALLY INTO A CITY TO BE PROUD OF. ONE, I MYSELF PROUDLY SERVED ALONGSIDE MANY OF YOU FOR MANY YEARS. SO PLEASE DO NOT THROW THAT AWAY DUE TO A PERCEIVED FEAR AND UNDO ALL THE REASONS WHY YOU RAN TO REPRESENT THIS COMMUNITY IN THE FIRST PLACE. ALSO, PLACING WITHIN THE BOND OF THE ELECTION TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, IT HINDERS THE PASSAGE OF NEEDED CAPITAL BY PLANTING IN THE MINDS OF VOTERS, DO THEY REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND ARE NOW ASKING THAT THEY WANT MORE MONEY? HOW CAN THEY BE TRUSTED? I DO NOT NEED TO EXPLAIN TO YOU THE IMPORTANCE OF THE BOND ELECTION FOR THE CONTINUED PROSPERITY C CHANNEL. SO PLEASE DO NOT JEOPARDIZE OUR FUTURE. I ASK YOU TO VOTE NO AS THESE AMENDS, ESTABLISH A CHARTER AND PLEASE DO ESTABLISH A CHARTER COMMITTEE [02:00:01] TO THOROUGHLY REVIEW THESE IN THE CHARTER AND WHOLE AND SO THAT WE CAN WORK TOWARDS A BETTER WAY AND MOVE FORWARD. NOT MY WAY OR YOUR WAY, BUT THE RIGHT WAY FOR CHANDLER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. I HAVE A QUESTION. COUNCILMAN ORLANDO? YES, SIR. I JUST WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU. CORPORATION MUST BE DOING WELL BECAUSE YOU LOOK FIT. GOOD JOB BUDDY. A LOT OF MONEY. YOU ARE OUT. KEEP IT DOING, KEEP GOING. WHAT YOU'RE DOING PHYSICALLY. THANK YOU. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. I'LL BE AVAILABLE AFTER IF YOU WANT TO TALK MORE. WILL YOU JUST GIMME A ROUTINE, YOUR WORKOUT ROUTINE. ALRIGHT, I GOT A SECRET. OKAY, NEXT UP. FRANCESCA MARTIN. FRANCESCA, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS FRANCESCA MARTIN AND I'M A PROUD CHANDLER RESIDENT OF 20 YEARS, SOON TO BE 21. IT'S MY WHOLE LIFE AND PROUD ALUMNI OF OUR CHANDLER UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT. GO HAMILTON, HUSKY. AND UH, RECENTLY THE CHANDLER CITY ATTORNEY RELEASED A NEW INTERPRETATION OF OUR CITY CHARTER THAT CONTRADICTS 50 YEARS OF PRESIDENTS AND BARS FAITHFUL PUBLIC SERVANTS FROM RUNNING FOR MAYOR. WHILE I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT OUR CITY CHARTER PROVIDES NECESSARY GUIDELINES FOR CITY PROCEDURE, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SELECTIVELY CHOOSE HOW AND WHEN WE WANNA ENFORCE THIS CHARTER. OUR CITY HAS SEEN COUNTLESS FAITHFUL PUBLIC SERVANTS RUN FOR MAYOR AFTER SERVING TWO TERMS AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, THEY HAVE ALL GIVEN YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE TO OUR CITY, BUT WOULD VIOLATE THIS NEW INTERPRETATION OF OUR LAWS. CHOOSING TO ENFORCE THIS GUIDELINE IN A DIFFERENT MANNER NOW WOULD NOT ONLY BE UNFAIR AS A SOLID HISTORICAL PRESIDENT HAS ALREADY BEEN SET, BUT WOULD BLOCK FAITHFUL PUBLIC SERVANTS AND TWO TERM COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM RUNNING IN THE FUTURE AND POTENTIALLY OPEN UP OUR CITY TO LITIGATION. THESE CONFLICTING GUIDELINES SHOULD NOT IMPACT OUR CURRENT MAYOR COUNCIL AND WE, THE VOTERS SHOULD HAVE A SAY IN CLARIFYING THE CHARTER AND RESOLVING THESE CONFLICTS. I URGE THIS COUNCIL TO SEND CLARIFYING CHANGES TO THE BALLOT THIS NOVEMBER. TODAY IS THE LAST DAY ALONGSIDE THE ALREADY PROPOSED SPECIAL ELECTION AND HAVE VOTERS DECIDE ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK OUR COUNCIL AND CURRENT MAYOR HARTKE FOR THEIR SERVICE AND DEDICATION TO OUR CITY. AND I REMAIN CONTI COMMITTED TO ALLOWING PUBLIC SERVANTS LIKE YOURSELVES TO CONTINUE TO SERVE OUR CITY. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS MEASURE TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT UP, UH, BETH BRA, BRAZIL. BETH STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS BETH BRAZEL AND MY ADDRESS IS 61 30 WEST SHANNON STREET. I HAVE LIVED VOTED AND PAID TAXES HERE IN CHANDLER FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS. I AM HERE THIS EVENING TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO VOTE YES ON RESOLUTION 59 13 ORDERING AND CALLING A SPECIAL ELECTION FOR THE SUBMISSION OF PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY CHARTER REGARDING THE ELIGIBILITY OF PERSONS TO SERVE CONSECUTIVE TERM. AS MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER, THE CURRENT CITY CHARTER MUST BE CLARIFIED TO AVOID CONFUSION AND EXPENSIVE LITIGATION. CHANDLER HAS A LONG HISTORY OF COUNCIL MEMBERS RUNNING FOR MAYOR I AND THE MAJORITY OF CHANDLER VOTERS VOTED FOR BOY DUNN, JJ JAY CHIP RAINEY, AND MAYOR HARKEY. BE MAYOR AFTER SERVING TWO TERMS ON THE CITY COUNCIL CHANDLER VOTERS HAVE OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTED KEEPING THE TERM LIMITS AS THE 16 YEARS AFTER THE LAST ELECTION TRIED TO EXTEND THE COUNCIL TERMS. IN 2014, MAYOR TIP TRAINEE STATED AT THAT TIME, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO RUN FOR MAYOR AFTER BEING SERVING TWO TERMS ON THE COUNCIL. WE ALREADY HAVE A BOND ELECTION SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 4TH. THIS TO THE BALLOT IS BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AGAIN. I AM ASKING THE COUNCIL TO VOTE YES ON RELU RESOLUTION 59 13 AND LET THE CHANDLER VOTERS DECIDE WHERE THE CURRENT CITY CHARTER SHOULD BE AMENDED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT UP, UH, MR. HUMAN. IT IS FARMER. COUNCIL MEMBER, KNIGHT MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER. HE ALWAYS LOOKS FIT. . THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, RICKMAN 43 10 WEST DUBLIN STREET, CHANDLER, ARIZONA, 8 5 2 2 6. AS YOU ALL KNOW, I SERVED ON THIS DIOCESE WITH SEVERAL OF YOU GUYS, UM, FOR EIGHT YEARS. AS PART OF THE CHANGE WE SENT TO THE VOTERS IN 2012, THIS CHANGE WAS SIMPLY TO STATE THAT THE MAYOR'S TERMS WOULD BE TWO, FOUR YEAR TERMS VERSUS FOUR TWO YEAR TERMS. [02:05:01] SO THE QUESTION ABOUT HAVE WE DONE IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS, THIS WAS DONE BY THE COUNCIL TO THE VOTERS AND THE VOTERS DECIDED ON THAT. UM, IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT WAS USED BACK IN 1997. THEN THAT, AGAIN WAS VOTED ON BY THE VOTERS TO ALLOW THE MAYOR TO SERVE EIGHT YEARS AT THAT TIME. UM, THE ONLY CHANGE THAT HAPPENED WAS WE TOOK THE BACK. THEN THE, THE 12 CAME OUT FOR SOME REASON, I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY AT THE TIME SAID IT WAS AMBIGU, AMBIGU AND DUPLICATION. SO, UM, THE HISTORY OF THIS CHANGE HAS ALWAYS TO ALLOW A TOTAL OF 16 YEARS ADA COUNCIL MEMBER AND ADA'S MAYOR, IF THE VOTERS CHOSE THAT, THE VOTERS GET TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU'RE ELECTED OR NOT ELECTED. UM, THE ELECTION OF BOYD DUNN AND YOU, MAYOR HARKEY WAS DONE UNDER THIS CHARTER. I REMEMBER SPECIFIC CONVERSATIONS WITH THE MAYOR AT THE TIME THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE COULD SERVE LONGER THAN IN THE PAST. THAT'S WHY IN 2012, THE LANGUAGE IS VERY CLEAR THAT WE HAD TWO, TWO YEAR TERMS COUNTED AS A FOUR YEAR, AND THEN ANOTHER FOUR YEARS COUNTED AS A TOTAL OF EIGHT YEARS. UH, WE WERE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT. NOW WE HAVE A RULING THAT COULD BE ARGUED IN DIFFERENT WAYS FROM DIFFERENT ATTORNEYS. AS WE ALL KNOW, ATTORNEYS HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. UH, I THINK THIS WAS RUSHED BY THE ATTORNEY, NUMBER ONE, BUT WE'RE AT A DEADLINE RIGHT NOW TO GET THINGS ONTO THE BALLOT. IN NOVEMBER, I HEARD A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT CLEANING UP THE LANGUAGE. THE LANGUAGE IN THIS AMENDMENT IS FINE. WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND TWEAK IT IN 2026, BUT WE HAVE A CHANCE HERE TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN PRECEDENCE FOR ALL THESE DIFFERENT YEARS AND STUFF. SO, UM, THE LANGUAGE OF THE ORDINANCES AND DISCUSSION SHOULD ALSO BEEN REVIEWED ALONG WITH A PRESIDENT THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE FOR ALL THESE PAST YEARS. READING JUST THE LANGUAGE IS JUST NOT ENOUGH. WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT HISTORY. I DOUBT THAT THIS ELECTION LAWYER DID THAT. 'CAUSE IF THEY WOULD'VE LOOKED AT IT AS THE YEARS OF MAYOR TIP RENEY BEING ELECTED, MOY DUNN ELECTED MORE. HE DUN ELECTED THE MAYOR CURRENTLY BEING ELECTED AS WELL AND STUFF. SO, UM, THIS AMENDMENT WILL CLARIFY THAT LANGUAGE. AND AGAIN, WE CAN GO ABOUT IT NEXT YEAR AND CLEAN UP THOSE LITTLE TWEAKS ABOUT THE GAP IN TWO YEARS OR APPOINTMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT AND STUFF. SO THIS ISN'T EXTENDING ANYBODY'S TENURE TO SERVE OTHER THAN WHAT HAS BEEN THE PRESIDENT ALL THESE YEARS. THERE ARE PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS BEING RUSHED. IT ISN'T, AS THE VOTERS WILL HAVE THE NEXT FIVE MONTHS TO STUDY THE ISSUE. I WOULD HATE TO SEE THE NEXT ELECTION FOR MAYOR TO BE THROWN INTO A LEGAL MESS. THANK YOU GUYS. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. MR. HUME. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, VICE MAYOR, FORMER VICE MAYOR RICK CUMAN. COME BACK UP TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. ABSOLUTELY. UM, BECAUSE I, THE REASON WHY I WANT TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS BECAUSE I THINK YOU WILL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING, AND I KNOW WE HEARD FROM COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO ABOUT SOME OF THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT. CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST BRIEFLY JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT. WHAT WERE YOU GUYS DOING? WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT DURING THAT TIME AND ERROR, UH, IN WHICH YOU GUYS SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, THIS IS HOW WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN IT UP. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT? 'CAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO SURE. AB AB ABSOLUTELY. 1997 WAS I, BEFORE I SERVED ON COUNCIL, THE LANGUAGE WAS CHANGED AT THE TIME. YOU CAN ONLY SERVE 12 YEARS. AND THE TIME IT WAS CHANGED AGAIN TO THE VOTERS THAT ALLOWED THE MAYOR THEN TO BE EIGHT YEARS FOR A TOTAL OF 16 YEARS. IN 2012, WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE THE MAYOR'S TERMS WERE EVERY TWO YEARS. IT WAS CRAZY. THE MAYOR HAD TO RUN CONSTANTLY, CONSTANTLY RAISING MONEY. IT DIDN'T GIVE US REALLY GOOD CONTINUITY. SO AGAIN, IT WAS DONE IN THE DAAS, IT WENT TO THE VOTERS IN 2012 TO SAY TO THE VOTERS, OKAY, WE WANT TO CHANGE THE MAYOR TO TWO, FOUR YEAR TERMS. OKAY. AND AGAIN, 'CAUSE MAYOR TIP FRANEY HAD ALREADY SERVED TWO, TWO YEARS. WE COUNTED THAT AS FOUR. IT'S IN THE LANGUAGE. SO IT WAS THAT FOUR PLUS ANOTHER FOUR GAVE HIM HIS EIGHT. UM, THEY WENT TO THE VOTERS AND THE ATTORNEYS AT THE TIME DIDN'T CATCH THE AMBIGU BEAUTY OF CHANGING THIS COUPLE OF WORDS. BUT IT'S PRECEDENT THAT'S BEEN SET. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF LEGAL BRIEFS AND IT'S ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE LAW, WHAT DID CONGRESS DO? YOU CAN GET TWEAKING WORDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE WENT THERE. UM, 2014, THE COUNCIL DECIDED TO TRY AND, AND ASKED THE VOTERS FOR A THIRD TERM VOTERS VOTED THE TOWN IN 2012. THE VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY APPROVED THAT. 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE WEREN'T ASKING FOR EXTENDED TERMS FOR THE MAYOR TO SERVE 12 YEARS. AND WE WERE VERY CAREFUL WITH MAYORSHIP TRAINING AT THE TIME. WE DID NOT WANNA ALLOW HIM TO BE ABLE TO SERVE 12 YEARS. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS EARLIER, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY COMES OFF FOR TWO YEARS, COULD ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO THAT'S, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE FRAMEWORKS 'CAUSE YOU WERE IN THAT ERA OF TIME SERVING AND I THANK YOU FOR, UM, LAYING A TRAIL FOR ME TO SERVE AS WELL, UM, IN THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY. I JUST KIND OF WANT TO GET SOME OFFICER HISTORICAL CONTEXT. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER VICE MAYOR AND, UH, FORMER AND FORMER VICE MAYOR JOMAN. UM, THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE AT THIS TIME FOR YOU, I KNOW YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE PRESIDENTS AND YOU ALSO SPOKE ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU WERE ON CONSULT AT [02:10:01] THE TIME WHEN ALL THOSE DECISIONS WAS MADE IN ORDER FOR US TO CLEAR OUT SOME OF THESE LANGUAGES, UH, THAT TODAY YOU THINK THAT THEY WERE, WHAT THEY WERE INTENDED VERSUS WHAT REALLY WAS HAPPENING AT THE TIME. UM, MY QUESTION FOR YOU RIGHT NOW IS, UM, HOW, HOW IS IT THAT YOU, YOU APPROACH THE, NO, LET ME, LET ME REPHRASE THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I WILL NOT ASK YOU IN THIS MATTER. WHAT WAS IT THAT TRIGGERED, UH, YOU TO ASK THE, UM, ATTORNEY, THE CITY ATTORNEY, BECAUSE SHE REPORTED TO ME THAT YOU ASKED HER THAT QUESTION CONCERNING THE MAYOR RUNNING FOR, UH, CONSULT AT THE TIME. WHAT WAS IT THAT TRIGGERED YOU TO ASK THAT QUESTION? BECAUSE YOU WERE THERE ALSO WITH SOME, UH, FORMER MAYOR. UM, JAY, WHEN YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION OF HER, WHAT TRIGGERED YOU TO DO THAT? SO I WILL, FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY, THE MAYOR AND I HAPPENED TO BE DOWN HERE FOR A, UM, A BOND ELECTION, UM, TV SHOW. AND THE MAYOR AND I WERE SITTING IN THE LOBBY AND THE CITY ATTORNEY CAME UP TO US AND THE MAYOR ACTUALLY ASKED, UH, FORMER MAYOR, TIP TRAINEE ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, UNDERSTOOD THAT MAYOR WAS THINKING ABOUT RUNNING FOR COUNCIL. AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TOLD US THAT WAS NO PROBLEM. AND THE MAYOR AND I BOTH KIND OF QUESTIONED IT BASED ON OUR HISTORY OF 16 YEARS. UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE LEFT IT. IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO COME UP WITH AN OPINION, UH, IF THE CITY ATTORNEY DID THAT BASED ON US. RIGHT. SO LET ME FINISH. SO IF THE CITY ATTORNEY DID THAT, THAT'S NOT ON ME OR OR THE FORMER MAYOR THAT'S ON YOUR CITY ATTORNEY, YOU GUYS WERE NO, SHE REPORTS TO YOU GUYS. SO IF SHE SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY ASKED SHOULD I GET AN OPINION, BUT, SO THAT WAS JUST A QUESTION THAT WE HAD. AND LIKE I SAID, FULL TRANSPARENCY. UM, IT WASN'T ANY BUG ABOUT IT, BUT BECAUSE WE HAD WRITTEN THAT LANGUAGE IN 2012 AND ALL THE YEARS PRIOR, WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS THE INTENT OF NOBODY BEING ABLE TO DO MORE THAN 16 YEARS. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLARIFYING THAT PART. BECAUSE WHEN SHE TOLD ME, WHEN I QUESTIONED HER, WHICH ONE OF US ON COUNCIL HAD GIVEN HER DIRECTION, BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST TOLD ME, I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST STATED, THAT YOU COULD NOT GIVE HER DIRECTION BECAUSE YOU DO NOT, SHE DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU. AND THE, UH, FORMER, THE MAYOR, SO A COUNCIL MEMBER HAD TO GIVE HER DIRECTION TO GO OUTSIDE COUNCIL. AND SHE STATED THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO GAVE HER THAT DIRECTION. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLARIFYING THAT. I APPRECIATE MAYOR, MAYOR, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, WE ARE GONNA BE VERY TRANSPARENT. VICE MAYOR. THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY CALLED ME AND SAID, I NEED TO TALK TO YOU ON MONDAY, BUT I NEED TO GET A SECOND OPINION ON THIS LANGUAGE. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WHEN I ASKED HER, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? SHE SAID, SHE SENT ME THE LANGUAGE. OKAY. I READ THE LANGUAGE AND THEN I SAID, WELL, I DISAGREE WITH YOU, HOWEVER, I'LL SEE YOU MONDAY ON YOUR ATTORNEY WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR OPINION. SO IF THIS IS A RABBIT TRAIL, YOU WANNA GO DOWN VICE MAYOR? WE JUST SOLVED THE MYSTERY. SO, NO, NO, I DID NOT CALL THE CITY ATTORNEY. SHE CALLED ME AND SAID, WE HAVE AN ISSUE. WELL, I'M SO, I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT YOU CLARIFIED THAT FOR ME. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC IS WELL AWARE THAT NO, I'M NOT GOING TO ANY TRAIL. I JUST ASKED A QUICK QUESTION AND YOU GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWER. THAT'S IT. OKAY. SO YOU, THERE NO TRAIL GOING ON. SO YOU SATISFIED THERE WAS NO COLLUSION OR ANYTHING. WHAT I'M STATING WHAT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT I ASK A QUESTION AND YOU GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWER AND I SAID THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING AT THIS POINT. OKAY. I APPRECIATE IT. SO WE CLOSE CHAT CHAPTER. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MAYOR, CAN WE TAKE A RECESS PLEASE? UH, THREE MINUTES. THREE MINUTE RECESS. ALRIGHT, TAKE A THREE MINUTE RECESS. YES, I'LL BE GATHERING IT IN. WELL ACTUALLY, DO WE NEED A MOTION TO TAKE A RECESS OR CAN WE JUST, CAN I JUST DO IT? YOU CAN JUST, ALRIGHT. YOU NEED TO TAKE A RECESS. COUNCIL MEMBERS, PLEASE DO. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, [02:16:40] THREE MINUTES. COUNCIL MEMBERS, AUDIENCE THREE MINUTES ARE UP. UM, LIKE TO RESUME OUR MEETING. JENNIFER, CAN YOU GO SEE IF ANYONE IS BACK THERE AND BRING THEM BACK IN? GIVE ME A QUORUM. I AM ON COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON OR THREE MINUTES ARE UP. I HAVE ALRIGHT, COUNCIL, WE HAVE A QUORUM. WE WILL CONTINUE OUR NEXT SPEAKER. UM, AND I'M GONNA APOLOGIZE. I I JUST CAN'T READ YOUR WRITING. IS MARIN ENT OFF OF UM, GRANDVIEW DRIVE IN PHOENIX? MARION MARIN MARION? OKAY. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. 3, 4 3 5 EAST GRAND VIEW. I REPRESENT AN AREA THAT INCLUDES CHANDLER AND I WANTED TO SAY THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AN UPCOMING ELECTION. UM, I DON'T WANT TO WASTE TAXPAYER MONEY. UM, SO WHY NOT PUT IT UP TO THE BO VOTERS? UM, THE VOTERS HAVE SUPPORTED 16 YEARS OF CONTINUOUS SERVICE. THE CURRENT MAYOR AND PREVIOUS MAYORS HAVE BEEN ELECTED TO BOTH OFFICE. UM, UNDER THE CURRENT LANGUAGE THERE ARE ATTORNEYS AND ATTORNEYS ARE GONNA SAY YES, NO, MAYBE, SO LET'S PUT IT BACK TO THE VOTERS. SO LET'S VOTE YES ON RESOLUTION 5 9 1 3. UM, AND BASICALLY I WANT THE VOTERS TO HAVE THE CHOICE. THEY HAVE VOTED ON THIS. UM, THERE ARE PEOPLE UP HERE THAT HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD AS FAR AS, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WHY NOT ALLOW THE VOTERS TO DECIDE WHETHER, HEY, SHOULD THEY BE, UM, MAYORS. AND SO I THINK THAT'S BASICALLY THE GIST OF THE WHOLE SITUATION HERE. IF WE, YOU KNOW, BASE, IF WE LOOK AT THE POLITICS BEHIND THIS, AND SO A LOT OF, UM, PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY VOTE YES ON CHANGING THIS [02:20:01] LANGUAGE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU MA'AM. AND THEN YOU ALSO FILLED OUT 20 COUNCIL VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. IF I MAY SAY I, I DO AGREE WITH, WITH WHAT YOU JUST STATED, UM, THAT THERE ARE GREAT PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE DESK CURRENTLY THAT, THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE AND ALSO ARE QUALIFIED TO RUN FOR MAYOR. AND I AGREE WITH THAT. UM, MY POSITION AT THIS POINT, AND IF I MAY ASK THIS QUESTION OF YOU IS WHEN YOU STATED THAT, UH, IT HAD ALWAYS BEEN 16 YEARS, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WE ARE DISAGREEING WITH THE 16 YEARS? OR DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WE ARE ASKING THAT WE TAKE THE TIME TO DO IT? RIGHT. THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU TODAY. SHE'S BACK AT HER SEAT AND THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. I CAN COME UP. UM, BACK UP. ALRIGHT, MARIAN, PLEASE CONTINUE. OKAY. UM, IF WE DON'T BRING IT TO THE VOTERS NOW, THEN IT'S 2026. AND THAT DOESN'T ALLOW THE PEOPLE THAT WE THINK ARE GOOD PEOPLE THAT COULD BE VOTED IN TO THE MAYOR POSITION TO BE ELECTED. AND SO YES, THIS IS IMMEDIATE. THIS BASICALLY WE WANNA GO AHEAD. THERE'S A DEADLINE. OKAY. WE WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE, UM, CAN GO AHEAD AND THE PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE VOICE AS FAR AS WHO THEY WANT. MAYOR. WELL, CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION? DO YOU UNDERSTAND IT TO BE THAT AS THE LAWYER STATED BEFORE, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. WE CAN LEAVE IT THE SAME WAY IT WAS AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT YOU ALL THINKING OF ARE STILL ABLE TO RUN FOR AND THEN WE TAKE THE TIME THEN TO DO THE WHOLE CHARTER RATHER THAN DOING JUST A LITTLE BIT OF IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IN MY POSITION, I'M NOT TRYING TO STOP SOMEONE FROM RUNNING. WHAT I'M TRYING TO ASK IS THAT CAN WE CONTINUE AS IS SO THAT EVERYONE WHO WANT, WHO AT THIS TIME IS QUALIFIED AND WILLING TO RUN? THEY CAN, BUT THEN WE STILL HAVE THE TIME. YES. I, I HEARD YOU ON THE IDEA OF THE MONEY, BUT IT WILL ALSO BE IN ANOTHER ELECTION THAT WE WILL ALSO BE PAYING FOR IN 2026. SO WHAT I, SO EITHER WAY, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. VICE MAYOR. I WAS GONNA SAY EITHER WAY WE ARE SAVING THE TAXPAYERS MONEY. I JUST DON'T WANT ANY CONFUSION ON THOSE THINGS, ON THOSE TWO THINGS. WELL, WELL THERE'S AN ELECTION AND SO IT WOULD NOT BE EXTRA MONEY AS FAR AS THE VOTE. AND WHAT I'VE HEARD IS, UM, OUR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY SAYS THERE NEEDS TO BE CLARIFICATION. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CLARIFY THIS AND HAVE IT CLARIFIED. UM, THERE WAS A PANEL OF ATTORNEYS THAT TALKED AND DECIDED, I MEAN, MY HUSBAND IS AN ATTORNEY, OKAY. HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE AN OPINION. THERE'S ANOTHER ATTORNEY THAT WOULD HAVE AN OPINION, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE VOTERS. UM, YOU MAY DECIDE AS A CITY COUNCIL TO GO AHEAD AND CLARIFY IT AGAIN IN 2026. BUT LET'S PUT IT OUT THERE AND CLARIFY IT. AND I, I, I HEARD YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH. MAY COUNSEL, WE ARE BEING A BIT REDUNDANT WITH SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS. UM, LET'S TRY TO MOVE AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO SPEAK AND GET THROUGH EVERYBODY AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE. NEXT UP, UH, MR. MCALLISTER, KEN MCALLISTER. KEN HAS LEFT THE BUILDING. ALRIGHT, NEXT UP. UH, DAVE SPECK. MR. SPECK. MR. SPECK, YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. ALRIGHT, UH, MY NAME IS DAVID SPECK, 1728 WEST LARK DRIVE, CHANDLER, ARIZONA, 8 5 2 8 6. IT IS TENSE IN HERE. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT BACKYARD CHICKENS. , LET'S DO THIS. ALRIGHT, UM, MY NAME IS DAVE. UH, I OWN THREE BUSINESSES IN CHANDLER. I KNOW THAT GUY SAID HE WAS CHANDLER. I THINK WE'RE ALL CHANDLER. UM, I'M A CHANDLER RESIDENT, A PROPERTY OWNER AND A BOARD MEMBER OF THE DOWNTOWN CHANDLER COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP. I'M CHANDLER TOO. SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE ALL HERE BECAUSE WE'RE CHANDLER AND WE CARE. UM, I'M HEARING A LOT OF KICK THE CAN AND I'M BEGGING YOU GUYS, WE'RE WATCHING YOU DO NOT KICK THE CAN. THIS LANGUAGE SOLVES WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I HAD PREPARED REMARKS, BUT WE KEEP GOING BACK TO, LET'S, LET'S PAUSE, LET'S PUSH IT. WE'RE WATCHING THIS LANGUAGE SOLVES THIS ISSUE. IT SOLVES IT TODAY. WE CAN GO LATER ON AND AMEND THIS FURTHER. UM, BUT DO NOT KICK THE CAN. ALRIGHT? [02:25:01] UM, I KNOW I'M, I'M USUALLY IN, IN THE FUNNY BUSINESS. EVERY TIME I'M WITH KEVIN, YOU SAY, I, I MAKE FUN OF YOU, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I DON'T LIKE, I DON'T LIKE NEWSPAPERS CALLING KEVIN HARTKE ILLEGITIMATE. I DON'T LIKE, I MEAN, THAT'S MY JOB, RIGHT? AS A COMEDIAN, BUT CALLING US, ILLEGITIMATE CALLING, UH, BOY DUNN ILLEGITIMATE CALLING JAY TIB, TRINNY ILLEGITIMATE PASSES ON THAT. THE NEXT ELECTION THEN IS ILLEGITIMATE. THAT IS THE LAUGHING STOCK. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. AND THAT'S WHAT CAN BE SOLVED TODAY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO. I, I, I MEAN, I SUPPORT, UM, HAVING RESOLUTION 5 9 1 3 GO ON THE BALLOT. LET'S VOTE, LET'S FIX THIS. LET'S CLEAR IT UP. SO I'VE GOT A MINUTE AND A HALF LEFT, GUYS. UM, YOU'VE GOT REALLY QUALIFIED CANDIDATES READY TO GO, AND I'M BEGGING YOU. PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME RUN FOR MAYOR. ALL RIGHT? THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. NEXT UP, UH, AND OUR, OUR LAST SPEAKER CARD ON THIS IS, UM, BROOKE BI. MR. BILL, YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU'VE UP TO THREE MINUTES. UH, MY NAME IS, UH, BROOKE BIAL. I LIVE, LIVE AT, UH, 85 WEST TEAKWOOD, UH, 8 5 2 4 8. IT'S KIND OF TOUGH TO FOLLOW THAT GUY. UM, SO I'M HERE TO, UH, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M, TONIGHT I'M GONNA BE CRITICIZING THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. UM, I I, I DISAGREE WITH THE, WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER. I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD BE, UH, RUSHING THIS. I THINK THAT, UH, IF, IF YOU GUYS UNDERSTOOD THIS WELL ENOUGH, WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD A 30 MINUTE DISCUSSION BEFORE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS STARTED. AND THERE ARE ANOTHER 40 MINUTES OF THOSE. CLEARLY IT'S NOT WELL UNDERSTOOD. UM, I WRITE REQUIREMENTS FOR A LIVING. THIS IS KIND OF WHAT I DO. THEY'RE NOT LEGAL REQUIREMENTS. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT LAW, BUT THEY'RE REQUIREMENTS. AND YOU GUYS DON'T COMMUNICATE THE REQUIREMENTS TO ME. I, I'VE, I DON'T KNOW THAT I KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO GET DONE WITH THIS TONIGHT. THAT'S HOW CONFUSED I AM FROM YOUR COMMENTS. UH, SO FOR YOU TO GO FORWARD, I THINK WOULD BE, WOULD BE UNFORTUNATE. SO I THINK YOU, WE CAN GET THERE, BUT I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE READY YET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE ONE LAST SPEAKER CARD, UM, MISPLACED AS A COMMENT CARD. UM, MS. JONES, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES. RUTH JONES, 27 34 EAST BIRCHWOOD PLACE, CHANDLER, ARIZONA, 8 5 2 4 8 4 9. SORRY, CHANDLER NEEDS A HERO, BUT AS I STAND HERE, WE'RE IN VERY SHORT SUPPLY. I'VE HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THE CITY'S CHARTER IS AMBIGUOUS AND YET IT'S NOT. I SHOWED IT TO TEENAGERS. NOT ONE OF THEM MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT IT SAID. THE SPECIALIST ATTORNEY THAT YOU HIRED TO LOOK AT IT SAID IT WAS CLEAR. AND ONE THING IS VERY CLEAR, THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS A STAKE IN THIS. SO I DO NOT BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT HER OPINION ON THIS MATTER, BUT WE SHOULD DEFER TO THE SPECIALIST WHO HANDLES THESE MATTERS EVERY DAY. AS I SIT HERE TONIGHT, I SEE THAT YOU ARE ALL VERY CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING THIS AMENDMENT ON THE BALLOT SO THAT WHEN THE NEXT ELECTION HAPPENS, CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE AVAILABLE TO RUN. BUT I STAND HERE TODAY AND SAY, WE ARE INDEED OF A HERO. THE TRUTH IS, IS THE CHARTER WAS WRITTEN FOR EXPRESS PURPOSE. THE CHARTER WAS WRITTEN THAT WAY SO THAT NOT ONE PERSON OR GROUP WOULD HOLD ONTO POWER FOR TOO LONG. AND WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THIS CHARTER. WE NEED TO FOLLOW IT. THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE WAS PUT TO THE BALLOT AND THE PEOPLE SAID, THIS IS ALL YOU GET. I HEAR SIT HERE TONIGHT AND I LISTEN TO YOU TALK ABOUT, WELL, WE CAN GET 16 YEARS AND THEN WE CAN TAKE A BREAK AND WE CAN COME BACK AND WE GET A TWO YEAR BREAK AND WE CAN COME BACK. AND YET YOU DO NOT ALLOW FOR THIS CHARTER TO STAND. I RAISED MY CHILDREN TO FOLLOW THE LAW. I TOLD THEM, IF ONE OF THE KIDS BREAKS THE LAW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU GET TO BREAK IT TOO. YOU FOLLOW THE LAW AND TO USE PRECEDENCE AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BREAK THIS CHARTER, WHICH IS CLEAR AND WAS WRITTEN AND APPROVED BY THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY, WHICH HAS BEEN UPHELD [02:30:01] BY A SPECIALIST ATTORNEY FOR YOUR OWN POLITICAL GAIN IS INAPPROPRIATE. CHANDLER NEEDS A HERO. BUT TONIGHT I WILL SETTLE FOR THE MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL TO HAVE INTEGRITY. YOU TOOK AN OATH TO UPHOLD THIS CHARTER. IT'S THE LAW OF OUR CITY. IF YOU VOTE OTHERWISE, YOU WILL BE JUDGED FOR THAT. I STAND HERE TONIGHT AND LOOK FOR A HERO. BUT I'M PRAYING FOR YOU TO SEE THAT, TO RUSH THIS AMENDMENT SO THAT YOU CAN STAY IN POWER AND GET TO RUN AGAIN AS OFTEN AS YOU LIKE, IS NOT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. AND IT IS NOT FOLLOWING THE CHARTER AND IT IS NOT FOLLOWING THE OATH YOU TOOK. IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE THE CHARTER NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, FINE, BUT TO RUSH IT THROUGH SO THAT YOU CAN GET ON THE NEXT BALLOT IS INAPPROPRIATE. THANK YOU, MRS. JONES. MY TIME WASN'T UP. I HAVE SIX SECONDS. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNSEL. THAT IS ALL OF THE SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS. WHAT DO WE HAVE ITEMS? UH, NEXT ONE [20. Resolution No. 5914, Ordering and Calling a Special Election for the Submission of Proposed Amendments to the City Charter regarding the Appointment and Removal of the City Manager Move City Council pass and adopt Resolution No. 5914, ordering and calling a special election for November 4, 2025, for the submission of proposed amendments to the City Charter regarding the appointment and removal of the City Manager; directing publications as required by law; designating the place and time to accept arguments for and against the question; establishing the conduct of elections including ballot tabulation requirements; authorizing an agreement for services with the County and payment of election expenditures; setting forth the voter registration deadline and Voter Rights Act requirements; designating the election as an all-mail ballot election; establishing canvassing and reporting requirements; and including a severability and ratification clause. ] IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 20. NO. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NON JUST, WE DO HAVE SOME, WE HAVE SOME COMMENT CARDS OF HOW PEOPLE, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THOSE? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE, UH, ROBERT SAWYER IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS MOVING AHEAD. OKAY. THESE ARE SOMETIMES CONFUSING 'CAUSE IT'S THE SAME ONE, ONE WITH 19, ONE WITH 20 THAT'S THE SAME. SUE HARRINGTON SUPPORTS THIS MOVING AHEAD. THAT'S ALSO THE SECOND JOE. THAT'S 20. JOSEPH RUSSOS SUPPORTS THIS. MOVING AHEAD, MARTHA RUSSOS SUPPORTS THIS. MOVING AHEAD, BRANDY REESE SUPPORTS THIS MOVING AHEAD AND THOSE ARE OUR COMMENT CARDS. COUNCIL, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED? WE'VE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATION. WE'VE LISTENED TO OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO'VE COME HERE TO SHARE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. SO, UM, A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSION TONIGHT. UM, EARLY IN MY COUNCIL CAREER HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF, OF SPEAKING WITH SEVERAL OF THE ORIGINAL CHARTER AUTHORS TO INCLUDE FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER, A KNOWLES, FORMER MAYOR, COY PAYNE, ABOUT THE THOUGHTS OF WHY A CHARTER. THEY EXPRESSED A STRONG DESIRE FOR THE RESIDENT CHANDLER TO THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO GUIDE THEM THE DEVELOPMENT OF CHANDLER RATHER THAN HAVE IN THE STATE. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A CHARTER. WE VOTED FOR THAT SO THAT WE CONTROL WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY. THAT'S BEEN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL OVER THE MANY YEARS. IN 1972, THE RESIDENTS VOTED, AS WE HEARD EARLIER, THAT THEY WANT TERM LIMITS 53 YEARS AGO. WE HAVE TO HAVE TERM LIMITS. ORIGINALLY, TERM LIMITS, AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, WERE TWO TERMS FOR COUNCIL, TWO TERMS FOR MAYOR. SAME AS WE HAVE TODAY. ONE PROVISO, WE CHANGED IT AS WE HEARD EARLIER, TO TWO FOUR YEAR TURNS FOR MAYOR. AND IN THAT LANGUAGE, AT THAT TIME THEY DID TALK ABOUT 12 CONSECUTIVE YEARS. VERY SIMPLE. 4, 4, 2. TWO. PRETTY SIMPLE. WITH CONVERSATION WITH ALL FORMER MAYORS LIKE JERRY BROOKS, JIM PATTERSON, KENNY THOMAS, ALL INDICATED THE INTENT OF THE VOTERS WAS TO ALLOW FOR FRESH IDEAS, A AS FOR TERM LIMITS, BUT TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A MAYOR. AND YOU'VE DONE IT WELL, BOY, DUNS DONE IT WELL. CO PAYNE'S DONE IT WELL. JASON TRAINS DONE IT WELL TO REPRESENT US NOT ONLY AT THE MAG LEVEL, BUT THE STATE LEVEL. AND THEN ON THOSE REPRESENTATIONS, IT WAS TO SELL, TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF CHANDLER RESIDENTS. THAT'S WHAT EXPERIENCE CAME IN. IT WAS ALSO TO HELP US FOR REVENUE STREAMS, FOR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, OUR TRANSPORTATION, EVEN OUR PARK AND RECREATION EXPERIENCE COUNTS. THEY ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF US. THE MAJOR CHANGE THAT OCCURRED IN 1997, AGAIN AS WE TALKED ABOUT, MADE IT 16 CONSECUTIVE YEARS FOR SOME REASON, AS, AS A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER, NEWMAN SAID, THAT WAS [02:35:01] TAKEN OUT. IT WAS PRETTY SIMPLE LANGUAGE. EIGHT YEARS. EIGHT YEARS, YOU'RE DONE. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WAS CHANGED. I CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT THE FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX CITY ATTORNEYS WE HAD SINCE THEN FELT IT WAS ADEQUATE AND WAS, UM, CLEAR ENOUGH. LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING LAYERS. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST. SO WHY NOW THAT KEEPS HEARING THE QUESTION. AND THE REALITY IS THIS, FOLKS, YOU HEARD IT TONIGHT. IT'S AMBIGUOUS. THERE'S A LOT OF ATTORNEYS OUT THERE. NO OFFENSE TO MY FELLOW ATTORNEYS, SOME OF 'EM INEXPENSIVE. THERE'S RESIDENTS OUT THERE AS WE HEARD TONIGHT THAT ARE UPSET THAT POTENTIALLY THIS MAYOR AND ALL THE OTHER MAYORS MIGHT BE ILLEGAL. THEIR I A DEVELOPER AND I LOST A VOTE, FOUR TO THREE AND THIS MAYOR WAS AGAINST ME. MAYBE I HAVE A LAWSUIT BECAUSE IF I COULD ARGUE IT WAS ILLEGITIMATE. WE HAVE A MEMBER, WE'RE ALREADY BEING SUED. NOW. WE JUST SERVED NOTICE TONIGHT THAT WE'RE BEING SUED. WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY SO FAR ON THIS ATTORNEY, OUTSIDE ATTORNEY. YOU WERE EARLY, LESS AGREED THAT THIS COULD BE OPEN FOR A LOT OF INTERPRETATIONS. WHY? NOW IT'S NOT ABOUT ME. I SAID THIS BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. I SERVED EIGHT YEARS. I ABIDED BY THE RULES, GOT OFF, SERVED EIGHT YEARS, GOT OFF SERVING MY SIXTH TERM. I I'LL ABIDE BY THE RULES. BUT IF THEY'RE AMBIGUOUS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT I RUN, OKAY, I COULD WALK AWAY TOMORROW. I STILL GOTTA TAKE THE GARBAGE OUT WEDNESDAY NIGHT. I STILL GOTTA TAKE IT OUT FRIDAY MORNING. I STILL GOT GRANDKIDS THAT LOVE ME. THAT'S NOT ABOUT ME. IT'S ABOUT SAVING TAXPAYER DOLLARS BECAUSE I COULD SEE THE LAWSUITS ROLLING IN AGAIN. CASE IN POINT, WE GOT ONE TONIGHT. HOW MANY MORE ARE COMING IN? HOW MANY MORE WILL CHALLENGE THE MAYOR? SO THE REALITY IS WE DO NEED EXPERIENCE. THE CHANDLER RESIDENTS HAVE SAID FOR 53 YEARS, WE LIKE THIS MODEL. IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL. LOOK AT US. WE HAVE A THRIVING COMMUNITY HERE. THRIVING. WHY? NEW IDEAS, EXPERIENCE BEEN A COMBINATION. WE'VE HAD COUNCIL MEMBERS GO TO OTHER OFFICES TO, OF THE EXPERIENCE THEY GAINED HERE AND THEY'RE BEING SUCCESSFUL. SO LET'S NOT DISCOUNT THE EXPERIENCE. LET'S NOT DISCOUNT THE FACT THAT WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR TERM LIMITS OR EX EXTENSION OF TERM LIMITS, WHICH IS DONE THREE TIMES UNSUCCESSFULLY. SO THE VOTERS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THAT CERTAIN REASON WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I DON'T WANT ANY MORE LAWSUITS. WE JUST LITERALLY, FOLKS, WE JUST FOUND THIS OUT LAST WEEK. LAST WEEK THAT WE HAVE A POTENTIAL ISSUE HERE. SO WE HAVE UNTIL JUNE 9TH, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, ORLANDO THROUGH THE MAYOR. UM, THE DEADLINE TO SUBMIT BALLOT LANGUAGE IS JUNE 9TH. OKAY? I DON'T WANNA SPEND ANY MORE TAX PAYER DOLLARS. IT COSTS US $475,000 TO RUN AN ELECTION. AND HERE'S THE KICKER FOLKS. WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WILL BE, HAVE AN ELECTION THAT SAME DAY, NOVEMBER 4TH, IT'LL REDUCE OUR COST. AGAIN, TAXPAYER DOLLARS, REDUCING OUR COST BECAUSE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S DOING IT, MARICOPA'S DOING IT, AND OTHER ENTITIES ARE DOING IT. SO WE CAN REDUCE OUR COST. THAT'S WHY IT MAKES SENSE NOW. NOW IN DEFERENCE, I AM WILLING TO, IF THE MAYOR'S GOT A CONCERN ABOUT THIS AND MAY, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT A LEGAL ATTORNEY, IT LOOKS GOOD TO ME, BUT I'M WILLING TO, UM, POSTPONE THIS TO JUNE 9TH. IS THAT THE LATEST WE COULD DO THIS OR SHOULD WE DO IT EARLIER? COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, THAT IS THE LATEST. WE'D HAVE TO GET THEM THE BALLOT LANGUAGE BY MIDNIGHT THAT NIGHT. SO COULD WE, COULD WE POSSIBLY DO IT, UM, BEFORE, UM, JUNE 9TH SO THAT WAY WE CAN DO THE SAME THING BUT HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT IT, WHICH WILL THEN ALLOW LIKE, NOT JUNE 9TH, BUT LIKE MAYBE LIKE JUNE. I'M NOT LOOKING AT MY CALENDAR. [02:40:01] I'M GONNA PULL IT UP LIKE JUNE 6TH OR JUNE 5TH, LIKE ON A FRIDAY OR A THURSDAY IN BETWEEN THAT TIME. AND WE CAN DO ANOTHER ROUNDABOUT. AND IF WE WANT TO PULL SOME PEOPLE TOGETHER, WE CAN DO THAT. THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. WHAT, CAN WE LOOK AT SOME DATES NOW OR CAN WE GET BACK OR CAN THEY GET BACK WITH US AND GET SOME DATES SET THIS WEEK? OR WE JUST HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT NOW? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, YOU CAN CALL A SPECIAL MEETING. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO CALL A SPECIAL, UM, SPECIFIC DATE TO MIKE. CAN, CAN WE WORK WITH MAYOR? CAN WE, CAN WE WORK WITH, CAN YOU, YOU NORMALLY CALL THE EXECUTIVE MEETINGS? CAN WE WORK WITH YOU TO GET A DATE TOGETHER BETWEEN NOW AND WHATEVER ADDITIONAL THINGS WE WANT TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND I WOULD SAY BEFORE JANUARY, BEFORE JUNE 6TH OR BEFORE JUNE 5TH. SO THAT WAY IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE, IT'LL BE ALL SET AND READY TO GO IF THERE IS ANY ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE. MAYOR. MAYOR. SO HANG ON, HANG ON THERE. VICE VERSA. SO LET'S SEE WHERE THIS STILL GOES. THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT I THINK WANNA TALK. OKAY. AND IF IT'S THE WILL OF COUNSEL TO DO THAT, CERTAINLY WE CAN. BUT, UM, WE'LL SEE WHERE, OKAY, SO SO FAR ONLY COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO HAS PRETTY MUCH SPOKEN. OKAY, SO THAT'S MY PROPOSAL. WE COULD WORK ON A DATE AND WE COULD, WE COULD MOVE THIS. UM, AGAIN, I THINK WE DISCUSSED EVERYTHING. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THERE WE CAN DISCUSS AND WE'RE FOR HOOKUP ON THE LANGUAGE, THEN I THINK IT, IT BEHOOVES US TO MAKE SURE IT'S CORRECT. 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE A YEAR FROM NOW AND SAY, GEE, THIS LANGUAGE HAS A HOLE IN IT AND WE HAVE MORE LAWSUITS. UM, I SAW VICE MAYOR COMMENTED, THEN I SAW COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS, VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS GONNA ASK AND UM, CUSTOMER LINDO JUST EXPLAINED HIMSELF IS WHAT IS THE DIRECTION AND WHAT IS IT THAT HE WAS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, UM, HARRIS IS ASKING FOR DATES AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I WANTED TO BE CLEAR, UM, ARE WE TRYING TO RESCHEDULE SOMETHING RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW? UM, AND I JUST HEARD HIM MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT WE WERE GONNA WAIT FOR COMMENT BEFORE WE WE GO FORWARD WITH ANYTHING. BUT MY COMMENT AT THIS TIME IS AS A MEMBER, UH, I LIVED HERE IN CHANDLER FOR 39 YEARS AND COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, I HAVE VOTED FOR IN THE PAST WHEN HE RUN COUNCIL MEMBER , HAVE I VOTED FOR IN THE PAST? I HAVE VOTED FOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER LOPEZ IN THE PAST AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE, UH, UH, UH, RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL. WHEN I CAME TO THIS COUNCIL FIVE YEARS AGO, THE DESIRE WAS TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF CHANDLER BECAUSE THERE IS AN INTEGRAL LOVE IN ME FOR THIS CITY TO SEE US CONTINUE TO THRIVE, BUT NOT GOING BACKWARD. DO I MEAN THAT THIS POSITION THAT WE ARE TAKING TONIGHT WILL TAKE US BACKWARD? ABSOLUTELY NOT. I THINK IT'S MOVING US FORWARD, BUT IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF THINGS, THERE IS THE TIME, THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THE RIGHT THING ALL THE TIME. AND IN ORDER FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD AT THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THIS, I BELIEVE WE NEED ENOUGH TIME TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. I'M USING THE WORD TIME ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS OF THE ESSENCE. AND NO ONE, AND I I PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK THAT I'M ARGUING THE FACT THAT WE DO NOT NEED TO CHANGE THIS LANGUAGE AND WE DO NOT NEED TO REMOVE THE AMBIGUITY. THAT IS NEVER THE POINT HERE FOR ME PERSONALLY. BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT SHOULD WE GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE ARE RUSHING SOMETHING LIKE ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, KIND OF LIKE SITTING AROUND TRYING TO VOTE WHEN WE KNOW NOBODY'S GOING TO BE PRESENT, IS THAT SAME SENTIMENT IS OUT THERE. SO THE IDEA THAT WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO JUST SPOKE ABOUT ALL THE THINGS, THE LITIGATIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COULD HAVE HAPPEN, AND I'M SITTING HERE BAFFLED THINKING THAT WHO HAS SENT IN A LAWSUIT TONIGHT? BECAUSE I HAVE NOT HEARD AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I HAVE NOT BEEN BRIEFED ON THAT. AND NOW WE'RE DISCUSSING SOMETHING LIKE THAT UNDER DIAZ. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I JUST TEXT THE CITY MANAGER. HE'S TELLING ME HE IS NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND SO FOR US TO BE SITTING HERE AND HEARING THAT THERE'S A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY FOR PRECEDENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, PUT ME INTO A POSITION TO ASK WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT WE WERE THINKING WHEN WE THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS PERFECTLY OKAY FOR US TO THROW IT OUT INTO THE MEDIA AND INTO EVERYWHERE WITHOUT HAVING OUR HEAD SCREWED ON THE RIGHT WAY. SO I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED AND WE ALL NEED TO PUT OUR HEAD TOGETHER AND [02:45:01] GET IT FIXED. SO IF EXTENDED TIME IS GONNA GIVE US, UH, A MINUTE TO EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, REVISIT IT, TALKING TO MORE LAWYERS OR WHOEVER ELSE WE NEED TO TALK TO BEFORE THE 9TH OF JUNE, THAT IS WHERE I STAND. AND SO I'M WRAPPING IT UP RIGHT NOW WITH THE, I WITH THE WHOLE PREMISE OF THE FACT THAT I DON'T THINK NONE OF US ON THE DESK CURRENTLY, INCLUDING THE MAYOR IS SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T CLEAN THIS THING UP AND WE SHOULD NOT MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE CLARITY ON IT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, SO TWO THINGS I DO WANNA SAY. UM, THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY COMING OUT TONIGHT AND SHOWING THE SUPPORT. I AGREE THIS NEEDS FIXING THE QUESTION IS WHEN, RIGHT. UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE COMMON THING THAT I'M NOT HEARING IS THE, UM, THE COMMUNITY INPUT THAT THAT SEEMS TO BE MISSING. AND I FEEL LIKE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THIS ROOM UNDERSCORES THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE HEARD. THEY WANT THAT INPUT. UM, SO I DO HAVE A CONCERN THAT WE'RE KIND OF LACKING SOME TRANSPARENCY AND THOSE HISTORICAL PRECEDENTS WHERE WE HAVE INCLUDED COMMENTS, UM, AND WAYS TO FORM AND, UM, YOU KNOW, CREATE THAT VERBIAGE OF WHAT THEY WANT THEIR CITY TO LOOK LIKE. YES, WE HAVE OUR, OUR COUNCIL, OR EXCUSE ME, UM, OUR ATTORNEYS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S VALID AND THAT, UM, IT WORKS WITHIN THE LAW, BUT REALLY WE WANT THE VOICE OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO I APPRECIATE AGAIN THAT EVERYBODY CAME OUT TO PROVIDE THAT INPUT TONIGHT. UM, SECONDLY, I WAS CURIOUS IF YOU COULD ANSWER SOMETHING FOR ME, TAN, UM, WITH THIS AMENDMENT, HOW DOES THAT LOOK? IT'S NOT GONNA BE RETROACTIVE. IT DOESN'T AFFECT ANYTHING FOR CURRENT MAYOR IN PLACE, CORRECT? IT WOULD JUST BE CLARIFICATION FOR MOVING FORWARD. COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS. THAT'S CORRECT. UH, ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T SPOKEN BEFORE. I, I COME BACK TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE ON MY RIGHT. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER . COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON. THANK YOU MAYOR AGAIN. UM, AS COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS HAS STATED, I WANNA THANK YOU GUYS ALL SO MUCH FOR ENGAGING HERE WITH US TONIGHT, BRINGING US YOUR VOICES AS WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DO AND HERE TO LISTEN, UM, TO SAY AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS MENTIONED ABOUT HAVING THAT COMMUNITY INPUT IS IMPORTANT AND THAT INPUT HAS BEEN PROVIDED FOR DECADES. UM, THIS LANGUAGE HAS BEEN CARRIED OVER FOR DECADES, NUMEROUS COUNCILS, AND REPEATEDLY APPROVED BY THE VOTERS. AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE IT BACK TO THE VOTERS IF WE DO NEED SOME TIME. AS COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO WAS STATING, UM, I I'M OPEN TO THAT RECOMMENDATION AS WELL, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE ARE 100%. AND THEN AGAIN, TAKING IT, WE ARE NOT MAKING THE DECISION. WE ARE TAKING IT STRAIGHT TO YOU GUYS TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND THAT VOTE UNTIL US WHAT YOU WANT TO BE DONE. THAT'S MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, QUICK QUESTION. UM, THIS DOESN'T, UH, CITY ATTORNEY, THIS DOESN'T NEED TWO READINGS, DOES IT? COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON, THIS DOES NOT NEED TWO READINGS. NO. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, OKAY. I I I THINK PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN VERY ARTICULATELY AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE SEEING A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE. AND I WILL SAY THE ONE GOOD THING THAT I KNOW IS COMING OUT OF THIS IS THAT A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE HAVE NOW READ OUR CITY CHARTER AND HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF IT . SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD THING. AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S REALLY OUR GUIDING DOCUMENTS, OUR BYLAWS, OUR CONSTITUTION, AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. UM, I ALSO THINK THAT WE AS A COUNCIL NEED TO BE WILLING TO ADDRESS THIS. WE DO HAVE A BOND ELECTION COMING IN ADDITION TO THE IDEA THAT THAT IS ALREADY PAID FOR. AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A PAIR UP WITH OTHER PEOPLE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE LESS EXPENSIVE, MAKES IT IMPORTANT FOR US TO PUT THIS ON THAT NOVEMBER ELECTION. AND I HAVE CONCERNS THAT IF VOTERS SEE US SITTING ON OUR HANDS AND WAITING, THAT IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE NOT WILLING TO DO HARD THINGS. AND I THINK BRINGING THIS TO THE VOTERS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. UM, WE'RE ASKING YOU, THE VOTERS, THE RESIDENTS, TO CONFIRM THAT YOU STILL BELIEVE IN THE PRACTICES THAT WE HAVE HAD FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS AND IT VOTED ON OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE COMMITTEE. THERE'S NOTHING THAT PRECLUDES THE COMMITTEE FROM LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE CHARTER, INCLUDING ALL OF THIS. UM, SO I LIKED WHAT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE [02:50:01] SAID THAT, HEY, WE CAN LOOK AT THIS. IF THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT THAT, WE CAN CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT IN 2026 AS WELL. BOTH OF THOSE ELECTIONS WON'T COST THE TAXPAYERS EXTRA MONEY. AND YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND, UH, THE VICE MAYOR'S UPSET, BUT I SAW NOTICE OF THAT LAWSUIT AS WELL. AND I DON'T WANNA SIT HERE FOR A YEAR, UM, WONDERING WHY WE'RE SITTING AROUND GETTING LAWSUITS INSTEAD OF TAKING ACTION. THANK, THANK YOU. UM, COUNCIL MYLENE, I, I, I TOO WANNA THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW A MONTH AGO WE MET AND TALKED ABOUT THIS ELECTION AND TALKED ABOUT ADDING COUNCIL AMENDMENTS AND THERE WAS GREAT RELUCTANCE ON MOST OF COUNCIL FROM DOING THAT, MANY OF WHICH ARE CERTAINLY WANTING TO ADD THIS. AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES. UM, UM, I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I, I THINK OUR, OUR BIG CONCERN THEN WAS THAT A CONCERN THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO, UH, WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE BOND. AND AGAIN, THAT I'M, THAT STILL STICKS WITH ME AS THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL OVERWHELMINGLY SAID AT THAT TIME. SO I, I ALSO AGREE WITH YOU. I DON'T, I DON'T, IT'S, I I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD DO BOTH IF, IF THIS COUNCIL DECIDES TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THIS, THAT, UH, THAT Y'ALL WILL GET YOUR NAMES INTO ME SO WE CAN PROCEED WITH A COUNCIL REVISION COMMITTEE. AND I DO AGREE THAT THOSE CAN BE INDEPENDENT OR, OR GO ON AT THE SAME TIME. AS I MENTIONED, I'M WILLING TO START THAT BEGINNING OF JUNE AND I, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM YOU ALL, YOU'RE WILLING TO DO THE SAME. SO I'M, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT CASA. WHAT, I GUESS NOW IS IT, IS THERE A, A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD OR IS THERE A MOTION TO REFER THIS TO, HANG ON A SECOND, TO POSTPONE THIS CONVERSATION TO A CERTAIN DAY AND THEN, UH, MAKE THAT DESCENT DEC DECISION THEN I DO KNOW ON JUNE 9TH WE WILL BE MEETING HERE ALREADY. IT IS A STUDY SESSION WORK MEETING. UH, SO WE HAVE A COUNCIL STUDY SESSION, UH, IF COUNCILS WISH AND IF THERE'S ENOUGH VOTES TO MOVE IT EARLIER THAN THEN WE CAN. BUT, UM, I THINK MIDNIGHT JUNE 9TH IS OUR, OUR DEADLINE FOR THIS. SO COUNCIL, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED? MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, I'D LIKE TO MOVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 5 9 1 3 ORDERING AND CALLING FOR SPECIAL ELECTION FOR THE SUBMISSION OF PROPOSAL AMENDMENTS TO CITY CHARTER REGARDING THE ELIGIBILITY OF PERSONS TO SERVE CONSECUTIVE ATTORNEYS, MAYOR AND COUNCIL WITH THE PROVISO THAT STAFF COMES BACK TO US FOR FINAL LANGUAGE APPROVAL BY JUNE 9TH AND CALL A SPECIAL MEETING, I SHOULD SAY, SO THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THE FINAL LANGUAGE. SO, UM, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING THAT WE RESUME OR YOU'RE ASKING UH, THAT I AM MOVED THAT WE CALL FOR SPECIAL ELECTION TONIGHT AND COME BACK BY JUNE 9TH. SORRY, SPECIAL MEETING. SPECIAL MEETING. SORRY. COME BACK WITH A SPECIAL MEETING. OKAY. BY JUNE 9TH WITH THE LANGUAGE. THAT'S WHAT CONFUSED ME WHEN YOU SAY ELECTION. AND THEN WE COULD VOTE FINALLY ON THE LANGUAGE THAT WE FEEL WOULD KEEP US AT A LITIGATION. SO THERE IS A MOTION TO CALL THE SPECIAL ELECTION CALL A SPECIAL MEETING. THANK YOU. SO IN ESSENCE, YOU ARE WANT TO POSTPONE NO, THIS DECISION? NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS I WANNA THE RESOLUTION FIVE NINETY THREE CALL FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION FOR THE SUBMISSION OF PROPOSAL AMENDMENTS OF CITY CHARTER REGARDING THE ELIGIBILITY OF PERSON TO SERVE CONSECUTIVE TERMS AS MAYOR AND COUNCIL. IT'S TWO SEPARATE THINGS. I'M CALLING FOR THE ELECTION, THE SPECIAL ELECTION, AND IT CORRELATED TO THAT. I'M ASKING STAFF TO COME BACK TO US WITH A SPECIAL MEETING TO FINALIZE THE LANGUAGE AND WE'LL VOTE ON THAT. SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. SO YOU'RE ASKING US TO CALL TO PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT YET WE ARE NOT CERTAIN OF WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS. THAT'S CORRECT. AND YOU CAN ALWAYS WITHDRAW IT IF WE HAVE TO. MAYOR. WELL THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? I HAVE A QUESTION TO CLARIFY BEFORE I CAN HANG ON. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. I'M WAITING TO HEAR. IS THERE A SECOND BEFORE WE CONTINUE WITH CONVERSATION? I SECOND. [02:55:01] ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND VICE MAYOR. I WANT, I WANT, I WANT COUNCIL MEMBER TO REENTER IT PLEASE. WHAT HE JUST STATED, BECAUSE IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN HE WAS TALKING EARLIER, HE SAID HE WANTED TO GIVE US TIME TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS AND THEN HAVE A, HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING, SPECIAL MEETING AMONG OURSELVES TO DISCUSS IT BEFORE WE BRING IT BACK BEFORE JUNE 9TH. SO NOW I'M HEARING THAT WE ALL VOTING ON WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW. IS THAT CORRECT OR AM I THE ONE WHO'S NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT HE'S SAYING? IS THAT ME? YEAH, YEAH. UM, VICE MAYOR, UM, I, I MEANT THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS MY CONCERN. THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS WHAT THE ISSUE WAS THAT THE MAYOR BROUGHT THE LANGUAGE, SEVERAL US IN DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. BUT I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SPECIAL ELECTION. IF I DID, I MISSPOKE, I'D LIKE TO ASK. THAT'S THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WERE GOING TO GO BACK WITH WAITING TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION AND EVERYTHING RE WITHOUT OR FIX EVERYTHING, LOOK AT IT, HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION AMONG US AGAIN AND THEN COME BACK WITH IT TO VOTE ON IT. NOT THAT VOTING ON IT TONIGHT. CITY ATTORNEY APA QUESTION. SO COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO IS ASKING US TO PROVE TO FURTHER, UM, AND TO CALL APEC TO TAKE THIS LANGUAGE TO THE BALLOT WITHOUT HAVING EXPLICIT LANGUAGE. IS I, I'D LIKE A WEIGH IN ON THAT. MAYOR, I'M ASKING THE ATTORNEY FOR AN OPINION. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPLITTING THE QUESTION AND, AND, AND VOTING ONLY. AND, AND SO THE MOTION IS TO SPLIT THE QUESTION INTO TWO QUESTIONS. ONE BEING CALLING THE SPECIAL ELECTION AND THE OTHER ONE BEING THE LANGUAGE FOR THE CHARTER AMENDMENT. THE ISSUE IT THOUGH I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD LET YOU KNOW THE SPECIAL ELECTION HAS BEEN CALLED FOR THE BOND ELECTION. YES. SO THIS WOULD RUN, THIS WAS TO PROPOSE A SPECIAL ELECTION TO RUN CONCURRENTLY. I MEAN IT'S, THERE IS A SPECIAL ELECTION ALREADY THAT HAS BEEN VOTED THROUGH AND THAT IS THE BOND ELECTION. THIS ELECTION FOR AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER WOULD, WOULD BE RUNNING CONCURRENTLY, WOULD, WOULD GO TO THAT ELECTION, WOULD AND WOULD RUN CONCURRENTLY WITH THE GENERAL ELECTION. BUT THERE ALREADY IS A SPECIAL ELECTION THAT HAS BEEN CALLED FOR THE BOND ELECTION. SO IT'S NOT REALLY NECESSARY. MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO IS TO MOVE TO TABLE. IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THIS TO A SPECIAL MEETING, YOU CAN MOVE TO TABLE THIS AND IT WILL GO TO THE NEXT MEETING THAT IS SCHEDULED, WHICH COULD, YOU COULD THEN MOVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING PUT ONTO THE OR DIRECT STAFF TO PUT A SPECIAL MEETING ON THE, ON THE CALENDAR OR IT WOULD MOVE, IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY GO TO THE JUNE 9TH MEETING AND THEN YOU WOULD NEED A MOTION TO TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE AND FURTHER DISCUSS IT. BUT THE JUNE 9TH MEETING IS JUST A STUDY SESSION, SO THERE WOULD NEED TO BE ACTUALLY TO CALL UH, A, UM, A COUNCIL MEETING AT THAT WHICH WE'RE CAPABLE OF DOING. BUT I, I WAS STRUGGLING WITH YOUR LANGUAGE OF CALLING A SPECIAL ELECTION BECAUSE ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN CALLED FAIR. FAIR ENOUGH. BUT I THINK THE KEY HERE IS YOU'RE ADDING CHARTER AMENDMENTS TO THE SPECIAL ELECTION. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. THAT'S THE MOTION TO ADD CHARTER LANGUAGE TO THAT SPECIAL ELECTION. THAT'S ALL WE'RE SAYING. THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE WE COULD BRING BACK AND THEN VOTE ON THAT AS A CONSENT SAYING THAT THAT'S THE LANGUAGE WE WANT TO GO TO THE BALLOT. YOU COULD, YOU COULD SPLIT THE QUESTION, YOU COULD MOVE TO SPLIT THE QUESTION AND HAVE A MOTION TO PRESENT CHARTER. UM, A CHARTER AMENDMENT WITH NO, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY LANGUAGE THOUGH. IT DOESN'T, IT WOULD, IT WOULD IF IF THE CHARTER AMENDMENT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE, YOU'RE LEFT WITH CALLING A SPECIAL ELECTION ON A CHARTER AMENDMENT BLANK. OKAY. THAT'S MY CONCERN. ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL REDO THIS AGAIN. THANK YOU. UM, SO IF YOU CHANGE IT, WE'LL ALSO NEED THE SECOND TO AGREE. IS THERE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO AMEND? DO I DO YOU AGREE WE WE SPLIT THIS? YEAH. OKAY, SO LET ME BE CLEAR WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. HEY, CITY ATTORNEY. I'M MOVING TO RESOLUTION NUMBER FIVE NINE ONE THREE ORDERING TO CALL SPECIAL ELECTION FOR SUBMISSION OF PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY CHARTER REGARDING ELIGIBILITY OF PERSON TO SERVE CONSECUTIVE TERMS AS MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER. CORRECT. [03:00:07] AND THEN I'M NOT, I'M NOT FOLLOWING 'CAUSE IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPLIT THE QUESTION AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE TO TABLE RESOLUTION 5 9 1 3 TO TAKE IT TO A SESSION. WE HAVE THE TABLE. NO, YOU JUST, YOU JUST SAID I COULD SPLIT THE QUESTION. NO, I RECOMMENDED YOU. SORRY, LET ME, LET ME REPHRASE IT THEN. THE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE TO TABLE THE RESOLUTION SO THAT YOU CAN THEN GET, YOU GET TO THE, ANOTHER MEETING WHERE YOU WANT TO BE. IT SOUNDS LIKE NOT WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, FINE. OKAY, LOOK, I'M, I JUST NEED TO LEGAL ADVICE. YEAH. SO I HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT LET'S JUST DO THIS, I WANNA MOVE THIS ALONG. SO LET'S I MOVE TO TABLE THIS RESOLUTION 5 9 1 3. ARE WE SURE JUNE NINTH'S ENOUGH TIME AND WE CAN PUT IT EARLY ENOUGH IN THE DAY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE THE LANGUAGE TO THE COUNTY NO LATER THAN MIDNIGHT ON JUNE 9TH. OKAY. I KNOW WE COULD, WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE TO DO STATE, STATE, UH, DATE SPECIFIC OR WE CAN SAY BY JUNE 9TH, RIGHT? COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO STATE A DATE SPECIFIC. YOU CAN JUST MOVE TO TABLE THAT RESOLUTION 5 9 1 3 AND THEN IT WILL GO TO THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING AND OR SPECIAL OR SPECIAL MEETING. CORRECT. OKAY. UM, , I'M GONNA DO THIS. I MOVED THE TABLE THIS TO A SPECIAL MEETING ON JUNE 9TH, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO HAVE ENOUGH OR EARLIER IF WE COULD GET EVERYONE IN THERE, LET BE VERY CLEAR TABLE BY JUNE 9TH OR EARLIER IF WE GET A QUORUM SO THAT WE COULD ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. OKAY? I GOT A THUMBS UP. ALL RIGHT. IT'S GOOD. OKAY, SO THERE IS NOW, THANK YOU A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO TABLE THIS. I, I SECOND THAT. MAYOR. UM, HANG ON, HANG ON ONE SECOND. I THINK THERE'S A PROCEED. I THINK, UM, UM, YOU'RE NOT RECOGNIZED. LET ME I KNOW, BUT THEY HAVE TO WITHDRAW THEIR FIRST MOTION BEFORE WE THEY DID, DID WE DID OKAY. DID THEY DID. SO I, I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT I'M, WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. SO THERE IS A MOTION TO MOVE THIS TO A FUTURE DATE AND THEN, UH, THEN WE, WE NEED TO CALL THAT AS WELL. SO EITHER ON JUNE 9TH OR BEFORE, IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH TO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS? OR, OR I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE KNOWING WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. MAYOR. THAT IS, THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH. IT WILL, IT WILL BE TABLED. THE MOTION IS NOT DEBATABLE. IF IT'S BEEN SECONDED THEN THERE WILL BE A VOTE ON THAT. IF IT DOESN'T PASS THEN THE RESOLUTION CONTINUES TO BE PENDING BUT IT CAN BE TABLED IF IT'S, IF, IF THE MOTION PASSES AND IT WILL GO TO THE MEETING OF THE NEXT MEETING OF JUNE 9TH OR THE OR, OR IF OR ANOTHER MEETING IS SCHEDULED TO BE EARLIER, THEN IT WOULD GO TO THAT BASED ON THE VERBIAGE OF THE MOTION OF BY COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. I HEARD A SECOND BY VICE MAYOR. CORRECT. ALRIGHT, THIS IS NOW BACK TO DEBATABLE OR COMMENTABLE BECAUSE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND IN PLACE. CORRECT. MAYOR MOTIONS TO TABLE ARE NOT DEBATABLE TO COUNCIL VOTE. OH, VERY GOOD. SO WE JUST NEED TO THANK YOU. SO WE JUST NEED TO VOTE THIS YES OR NO? OKAY. THANK YOU COUNCIL, THIS IS AS MENTIONED. UM, THERE'S NO FURTHER CONVERSATION. PLEASE VOTE ELLIS? YES. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT. OKAY, 19 IS DONE. WE NOW HAVE ITEM NUMBER 20 TO DISCUSS CORRECT COUNSEL. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 20 HAS TO DO AGAIN WITH ANOTHER RESOLUTION TO, UM, AMEND THE CHARTER RELATED TO THE APPOINTMENT AND REMOVAL ITEM. NOT TO REMOVE THE CITY MANAGER, BUT LANGUAGE THAT DISCUSSES THE APPOINTMENT AND REMOVAL OF CITY MANAGER. CITY ATTORNEY. THANK YOU MAYOR. I'M MAKING SURE THAT THIS CLICKER'S STILL WORKING. AND YEP, THERE'S THE POWERPORT PRESENTATION. WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS, UM, RESOLUTION 5 9 1 4. THIS IS REGARDING THIS CHANDLER CHANDLER [03:05:01] CITY CHARTER UNDER ARTICLE THREE SECTIONS 3.01 AND 3.02. THIS IS THE CURRENT LANGUAGE OF THE, OF THOSE TWO SECTIONS, THEY ARE CONCERNING THE CITY MANAGER APPOINTMENT COMPENSATION QUALIFICATIONS. UM, 3.02 IS THE REMOVAL AS ADOPTED IN 1965. THE CHANDLER CITY CHARTER PROVIDES THAT THE CITY MANAGER SHALL BE APPOINTED FOR AN INDEFINITE TERM AND UPON HIS REMOVAL WILL RECEIVE TWO MONTHS SEVERANCE PAY. THESE PROVISIONS ARE THE OF THE CHARTER ARE NOT ALIGNED WITH THE PRACTICE OF THE CITY OF CHANDLER OR ANY OTHER ARIZONA CITY OR TOWN, WHICH IS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO NEGOTIATE THE TERMS OF AN EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT WITH THE APPOINTED MANAGER, INCLUDING SEVERANCE UPON TERMINATION OF THE CONTRACT. FIXING THE CHARTER HELPS ALIGN WITH THE WISHES OF COUNCIL AND WITH THE CITY MANAGER CONTRACT HAS BEEN HANDLED HISTORICALLY. THE PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS IN RESOLUTION 5 9 1 4 ARE SET FORTH HERE IN THIS SLIDE. THESE WOULD CLARIFY THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MAY CONTRACT WITH ITS APPOINTED CITY MANAGER ON SUCH TERMS AS THE COUNCIL AND THE MANAGER AGREE. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT ALSO BRINGS THE PROVISION REGARDING APPOINTMENT OF THE CITY MANAGER IN LINE WITH THE PROVISIONS FOR OTHER APPOINTED OFFICERS OF THE CITY, AS WELL AS THE CURRENT WILEY ACCEPTED PRACTICE OF ENTERING INTO APPOINTMENT CONTRACTS FOR APPOINTED OFFICERS. I WILL LEAVE UP THE LANGUAGE OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS FOR CITY ATTORNEY? AND LEAVE THAT UP FOR A LITTLE BIT HERE TOO. UM, UM, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, UM, I'M JUST GONNA ASK YOU LIKE, HOW, HOW DID WE GET TO THIS PARTICULAR, UM, QUESTION? JUST 'CAUSE I WANNA KNOW, UH, IS IT GONNA HELP ME? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT A LITTLE MORE. WE HAD, UH, WE HAD FOUR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL THAT WANTED TO HAVE A RESOLUTION BROUGHT FORWARD FOR CONSIDERATION. AND UM, SO THE RESOLUTION WAS DRAFTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE BECAUSE THE COUNCIL HAD ASKED FOR THAT. AND THIS IS, UM, THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS PRESENTED IN ORDER TO BRING IT INTO ALIGNMENT WITH THE WISHES OF, OF WHERE WE THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS ALIGNS WITH THE CONTRACT OF THE CITY, OF OUR CITY MANAGER AND WE HISTORICALLY WITH THE CONTRACTS OF CITY MANAGERS. SO, AND I'LL I'LL SAY THAT THERE ARE TWO OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OTHER CHARTER LANGUAGE FOR CITY ATTORNEY, FOR CITY, CITY CLERK THAT ARE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL THAT AT THE PLEASURE LANGUAGE IS WITH OTHER POSITIONS. SO IS THIS CITY MANAGERS CURRENT CONTRACT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE OLD LANGUAGE OR THE NEW LANGUAGE? NO, THE CITY MANAGER'S, UH, EXCUSE ME, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, THE CITY MANAGER'S CURRENT CONTRACT IS NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH, WITH THE CURRENT LANGUAGE OF THE CHARTER. IT IS IN A, IN WOULD BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE LANGUAGE PROPOSED IN THIS AMENDMENT. SO DOES, SO IS IT, SO EVEN RIGHT NOW, TODAY, IS THE CITY MANAGER CONTRACT ALIGNED WITH THE OLD LANGUAGE? NO. OKAY. AND THE CITY MANAGER JOB IS WHAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, THE CITY MANAGER'S JOB IS TO, IS TO MANAGE ALL OPERATIONS OF THE CITY. AND HIS LANGUAGE FOR HIS CONTRACT HAS TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CHARTER, CORRECT? IDEALLY, THAT'S CORRECT. COUNCIL HARRIS. AND, AND HOW, HOW HAS HIS CONTRACT OR PREVIOUS CONTRACTS BEEN UNALIGNED THROUGH THESE PREVIOUS YEARS? IF HIS JOB IS TO, TO BE ALIGNED, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, I'M NOT AWARE OF ALL THE HISTORY OF, OF THE CONTRACTS AND I, I I CANNOT SPEAK TO HOW, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST AND THE ALIGNMENT. I'M SORRY. OKAY. SO WHO PREPARES HIS CONTRACT FOR US? I ALSO WAS NOT PRIVY TO THOSE NEGOTIATIONS. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS LANGUAGE IS, UM, 72 OR WELL, MAYBE, OR DO YOU KNOW IT'S OLD AND YEAH, YOUR HONOR, 65 MAYOR IN 1965. GREAT. AND THIS IS SO CURRENT, PREVIOUS COUNCILS HAVE, HAVE LOOKED AT THIS AND SINCE THEN HAVE WRITTEN OUT CONTRACTS WITH CITY MANAGERS WHEN THIS, WHEN THIS DEVIATED, I'M ASSUMING, 'CAUSE I I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG WE'VE WRITTEN CONTRACTS AS OPPOSED TO THIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE THAT, OR CONTRACTS THAT DEVIATED WITH IT. EVEN I THINK WE, EVEN PREVIOUS COUNCIL EVEN RELEASED A, A CITY [03:10:01] MANAGER OR SEVERAL, AT LEAST ONE, BUT THAT WERE DIFFERENT. SO I, UH, BUT IT'S BEEN THE CONTRACT THAT HAS BEEN THE RULE OF THE, THE LAW WITH THIS, EVEN WHEN A PREVIOUS, UH, CITY MANAGER WAS RELEASED, IT WAS THE CONTRACT AND NOT THE LANGUAGE HERE THAT PREVAILED OR YOU MIGHT NOT BE PRIVY TO THAT TOO. I'M SORRY. OH, MAYOR, I'M SORRY. I'M NOT PRIVY TO THAT. OKAY, VERY GOOD. SO I GUESS MY POINT IS AGAIN, IS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE HAD CONTRACTS WITH CITY MANAGERS AND THAT HAS BEEN THE RULE OF, AND IN A DISPUTE, IT'S, IT'S A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL WHO HAVE SIGNED OFF ON THESE EVERY TIME. THAT HAS BEEN THE RULE OF THE LAW ON THIS. SO I, I GUESS I'M JUST QUESTIONING, I, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A DICHOTOMY, BUT THIS TOO IS, UM, IS LIKE OTHER CHARTER AMENDMENTS TO ME THERE THAT WE NEED TO DO AND THROW TO A COMMITTEE. BUT WE'LL SEE WHERE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO WITH THIS ONE. COMMENTS BEFORE WE INVITE COMMENTS? NO, LET'S DO COMMENTS. THAT'S, I SAW YOU REACHING BEFORE HE SAID. SO, UM, THIS HAS BEEN A VERY FRUSTRATING PROCESS. ALL OF IT, I THINK, AND IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMENTS THAT SHE HAD MADE TO ME WAS, IT'S NOT GOOD WHEN THE CITY CHARTER IS OUT OF ALIGNMENT. AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES WHERE IT'S VERY CLEAR OUT OF ALIGNMENT AND JUST BECAUSE WE'VE DONE IT THAT WAY BEFORE, DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT. WE'VE ALL SWORN AN OATH TO THE CHARTER. WE HAVE SWORN AN OATH TO UPHOLD IT. UM, OUR CITY STAFF IS ACTUALLY, QUITE FRANKLY, RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CHARTER. SO WHEN WE FIND THAT WE ARE OUT OF ALIGNMENT WITH THE CHARTER, JUST BECAUSE WE'VE DONE IT THIS WAY BEFORE, UM, AND, AND MAYBE NOBODY NOTICED BEFORE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S FAIR. IT, IT HADN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP AS AN ISSUE BEFORE, BUT IT'S NOW AN ISSUE BEFORE US THAT WE UNDERSTAND AND I THINK THAT WE ARE NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING BY THE VOTERS IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, YOU, YOU SAID EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID WAS WE HAVE ALWAYS FOLLOWED THE, UM, THAT CONTRACT AND ALL THIS IS DOING UNLESS SOMEONE HAS A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, BUT ALL THIS IS DOING IS MAKING SURE THAT OUR CHARTER IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CONTRACT. IT SEEMS PRETTY CUT AND DRIED TO ME. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES. UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE GET TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH ITEMS IN THE CHARTER WE FOLLOW AND WHICH WE DON'T. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IF THERE IS OTHER DISCUSSION TONIGHT WHERE PEOPLE HAVE THE SAME DISCOMFORT WITH THIS ITEM, THE LANGUAGE OF THIS ITEM, UM, THAT I WOULD BE WILLING TO TABLE IT TO BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE OTHER DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING. BUT I AM IN NO WAY, UM, IN AGREEMENT THAT WE SHOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD ON THIS ISSUE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. YEAH, NO, WE'RE GOOD. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? YEAH. OR WE INVITE THE PUBLIC. YOU KNOW WHAT, LET THE PUBLIC GO AHEAD AND I'LL SAY MY COMMENTS AT THE END. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, FIRST ONE UP IS KEN MCALLISTER. IS KEN HERE YET? NO. UM, AGAIN, MARION MARIN, UM, WHO SPOKE ON THE PREVIOUS ONE. ARE YOU STILL HERE? NO. OKAY. UM, DWAYNE LIDMAN. DWAYNE LIDMAN, 2301 WEST PALOMINO DRIVE. CHANDLER, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. UH, I'VE READ RESOLUTION 59 14 ALONG WITH EXHIBITS A AND B, AND I THINK THAT WE KNEW NEED TO MOVE FORWARD THIS YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE CONTRACTS AND, UH, SO YOU CAN ATTRACT AND RETAIN GOOD EMPLOYEES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MOND. UM, WILL BULLOCK IS WILL STILL HERE. OKAY. LISA ASKEY. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE THAT THIS LANGUAGE IS OUT OF DATE. IT'S NOT IN ALIGNMENT. EVERYTHING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON SAID, UM, I THINK THAT, THAT THIS SHOULD GO [03:15:01] FORWARD TO ACCOMMODATE A PROPER, A PROPER STATEMENT AND CONTRACT FOR THE CITY MANAGER. BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID ABOUT FOLLOWING THE CHARTER SHOULD BE APPLIED TO THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION THAT WE JUST HAD ABOUT THE OTHER AMENDMENT. BUT I DO AGREE ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. ALL I HAVE LEFT ARE COMMENT CARDS, UM, NOT SPEAKER CARDS. UH, MAYOR, JUST REAL QUICK. UM, GOOD, GOOD QUESTION. IF WE FOLLOW THIS LANGUAGE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? CITY ATTORNEY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. ORLANDO, IF YOUR QUESTION IS, IF WE FOLLOW THE CURRENT CHART, LIKE CURRENT LANGUAGE, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. WELL THERE, IT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S CONTRACT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY IT. IF THIS IS TO BRING IT INTO ALIGNMENT, IF YOU DO NOT AMEND, I MEAN IF THIS RESOLUTION DOESN'T GO FORWARD AND THE CHARTER'S NOT AMENDED, IT'S THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO RESTRUCTURE THE CITY MANAGER'S CONTRACT AND RELY TO THE CON TO THE TO THE LANGUAGE. CORRECT. TO THE CHARTER, CORRECT. THAT'S, THAT'S INCORRECT. COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, BECAUSE IT'S, IT WOULD BE WOULD BE WHAT UP TO, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL COULD DO THAT, BUT WHETHER YOU HAVE TO IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S, THE OPINION IS NOT THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT AN OPINION THAT IT'S IN VIOLATION. IT'S NOT, IT'S AN OPINION THAT IT'S NOT IN ALIGNMENT. UM, I GUESS I BEG THE DIFFER A LITTLE BIT THERE BECAUSE I'M UP, I'M, I'M PROMISE UPHOLD THE CHARTER AND THERE'S A PROVISION OF CHARTER. IF I DON'T UPHOLD THE CHARTER, I COULD BE TERMINATED AS AN OFFICER. SO I DON'T THINK I WANNA BE TERMINATED AS AN OFFICER ON THIS DAIS BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA DEVIATE AND SAY, GEE, IT'S OKAY TO IGNORE THE CHARTER. IT'S OKAY. OTHERWISE I GOTTA RESTRUCTURE THE CONTRACT, MAKE A DEFINITE CONTRACT IN TOO MUCH SEVERANCE. I DON'T THINK OUR CURRENT CITY MANAGER'S FAMILY'S GONNA ENJOY THAT. AND I KNOW WE WOULD NEVER RECRUIT OR RETAIN ANYBODY ELSE. SO WITH THAT MAYOR, UM, I'M MOVE RESOLUTION NUMBER OF, OH, OKAY. RICHARD. ALRIGHT, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. UM, TODD, UM, YOU SAID THAT HIS, HIS CURRENT CONTRACT IS NOT IN VIOLATION OR IS NOT AGAINST, IT'S NOT AGAINST OUR CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH HIM RIGHT NOW IS NOT AGAINST THE CURRENT CHARTER COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. THE, MY POINT WAS THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IT BEING NOT ALIGNED AND BEING IN VIOLATION. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE? THE, THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS, SO THE, THE LANGUAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, IT STATES CURRENTLY THAT THE CITY MANAGER WILL RECEIVE TWO MONTHS SEVERANCE. MM-HMM . AN AGREEMENT THAT PROVIDES YOU MORE THAN TWO MONTHS, BUT NOT LESS THAN TWO MONTHS. MAY NOT BE IN VIOLATION, BUT IT'S NOT IN ALIGNMENT. IF YOU LOOK AT, IF, DEPENDING ON YOUR READING, NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO ATTORNEY READING. OKAY. BUT THIS, AS, AS FAR AS WE HAVE, WE HAVE PRESENTED THIS AS IT'S NOT IN ALIGNMENT IF COUNSEL OR A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS AN OPINION ON WHETHER IT'S IN VIOLATION. I WOULD RATHER DEFER TO A TIME WHEN WE COULD PROVIDE THAT IN AN ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE SETTING. WE CAN ANA ANALYZE IT AND GIVE YOU THAT KIND OF, KIND OF ADVICE WHETHER OR NOT, WHETHER OR NOT THE AGREEMENT WOULD HOLD UP IN COURT BASED ON THE LANGUAGE OF THE CHARTER CURRENTLY REMAINS AN OPEN QUESTION. TODD, THAT SOUNDS VERY CONFUSING THAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S CONTRACT AND TALK ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC AREA ABOUT THE CHARTER. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING THIS ALIGNED AND WE'RE SAYING THAT HE'S, HE'S TECHNICALLY NOT ALIGNED, BUT HE IS NOT IN VIOLATION. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ALIGNMENT AND A VIOLATION. IT, TO ME IT'S A VIOLATION BECAUSE HIS CONTRACT SAYS SIX MONTHS OF SEVERANCE. THE CHARTER SAYS ONLY TWO MONTHS OF SEVERANCE FOR THE CITY MANAGER. TO ME, THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT DISTINCTIVE CONVERSATIONS. THAT IS SIX MONTHS OF SEVERANCE. THE CHARTER SAYS TWO MONTHS OF SEVERANCE. WE ARE NOT JUST OUT OF ALIGNMENT, WE ARE IN VIOLATION, DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE CHARTER. AND IF WE PULL THE LANGUAGE UP RIGHT NOW, IT'LL SAY CITY MANAGER IS TWO MONTHS OF SEVERANCE. AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. SO I JUST KIND OF WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT HERE TO, WE'RE JUST HERE TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THIS THE FACTS STRAIGHT. UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER ASPECT [03:20:01] OF THE CONTRACT THAT IS IN DIRECT VIOLATION IS WE SIGNED A TWO YEAR CONTRACT, BUT THE CHARTER SAYS IT'S AN INDEFINITE CONTRACT UNLESS COUNCIL DECIDES TO MOVE DIFFERENT. NOW THERE'S SOME EMPLOYMENT LANGUAGE IN THERE, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SHOWING THAT HIS CONTRACT IS SUPPOSED TO BE INDEFINITE. THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE CONTRACT SHOULD BE INDEFINITE. AND SO THE LANGUAGE HERE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT GIVES COUNCIL MORE FLEXIBILITY. BUT CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, EVEN TODAY IN THIS SITTING MEETING RIGHT NOW, HE'S IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE CHARTER. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN CONFUSE THE TWO BETWEEN ALIGNMENT AND VIOLATION. AND EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE CHARTER AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CHARTER. THERE'S NO CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT THIS IS. SO I JUST KIND OF THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF, I MEAN, WE PAY OUR CITY MANAGER A HEALTH, A HEALTHY AMOUNT OF MONEY TO MAKE SURE THAT HE STAYS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CHARTER. AND IF HE, IF COUNSEL PRESENTS A DOCUMENT FOR HIM TO SIGN, THAT'S IN OUT OF ALIGNMENT, THEN HE WILLFULLY SIGNS, THEN HE THEN VIOLATES WHAT HE WAS PUT HERE TO DO, WHICH WAS FOLLOW THE CHARTER. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LAYING OUT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SHARING WITH YOU TODAY. AND SO EVERY DAY THAT HE SITS ON THIS AS A CITY MANAGER AND HIS CONTRACT IS NOT ALIGNED, AND HE WAS AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER BEFORE IN FOUR TO FIVE YEARS AS A CITY MANAGER, REGARDLESS OF WHAT COUNCIL ASKED HIM TO DO, THAT'S STILL A VIOLATION. AND HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN THAT BECAUSE IT SAYS IT VERY CLEAR. SO WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD AND NOW WE KNOW THAT HIS CONTRACT IS OUTTA ALIGNMENT AND HE NOW KNOWS THAT IT'S OUTTA ALIGNMENT, BUT I HE BEEN KNOWING THAT IT'S OUTTA ALIGNMENT. SO MAYBE THIS IS A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION FOR A DIFFERENT DAY, BUT I AM, IF I'M PAYING A PERSON $400,000 A YEAR, AT LEAST HE CAN GET WHAT HIS CONTRACT SAYS IN THE DESCRIPTION. RIGHT. MAYOR, THANK YOU MAYOR. MAYOR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO MAYOR. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, THEN VICE MAYOR. MAYOR, I, UH, THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK, THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. APPRECIATE IT. UH, I MOVE TO PROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 59 14 ORDERING AND CALLING SPECIAL. I DO HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER CARD. OKAY. I CAN STILL MAKE A MOTION, MAYOR. TRUE. RIGHT? I CAN STILL DO THAT. BELIEVE. UM, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE ANYMORE AFTER TO TONIGHT. SO , UM, RESOLUTION 59 14 ORDERING AND CALLING A SPECIAL ELECTION FOR THE SUBMISSION OF PROPOSAL AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY CHARTER REGARDING APPOINTMENT REMOVAL OF THE CITY MANAGER. I SECOND THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND AND I WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW OUR SPEAKER TO SPEAK, FILLED OUT A COMMENT CARD RATHER THAN A SPEAKER CARD. MS. JONES, YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES TO SHARE YOUR COMMENTS. NO PROBLEM. YOU ALREADY KNOW WHERE I LIVE. I'M GONNA TRY AND BE A LITTLE LESS PASSIONATE THIS TIME, BUT ALSO PUT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF YOU THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF SOME OF YOU TONIGHT AND YOUR PASSION IN FOLLOWING THE CHARTER. THAT IS WHAT WE'RE HERE ABOUT. BUT I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING YOU NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT AS YOU CONSIDER THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT. IN THE PAST WHEN THE CHARTER WASN'T FOLLOWED, THE PEOPLE THAT SHOULD MAKE SURE THE CHARTER IS FOLLOWED, THE PEOPLE YOU PAY A LOT OF MONEY TO TO GET THAT DONE ARE OUR CITY MANAGER, OUR CITY ATTORNEY, AND OUR CITY CLERK. IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS ALONE, OUR CITY MANAGER HAS RECEIVED A 35% INCREASE IN HIS SALARY WHEN IN FACT HE WASN'T ADVISING YOU AND WASN'T MAKING SURE THAT THE CHARTER WAS FOLLOWED. SO IF YOU PUT YOURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE YOU SET HIS SALARY AND HE WORKS AT THE BEHEST OF YOU, YOU PUT YOURSELF IN GRAVE JEOPARDY. THAT'S WHY THE CHARTER SET FORTH, THE GUIDELINES FOR HIM WAS TO KEEP YOU PROTECTED. SO BY ALLOWING YOU TO BE THE ONES WHO SET HIS SALARY AND SET THE TERMS, YOU CAN GIVE HIM A GOLDEN PARACHUTE, FOR EXAMPLE. YOU CAN CONTINUE TO RAISE HIS SALARY AT AN EXORBITANT RATE THAT DOES NOT MATCH WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE REST OF THE WORLD WITH THE REST OF THE PEOPLE OUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO'S GOTTEN A 35% SALARY INCREASE IN FOUR YEARS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR JOB AND THEY ARE NOT MAKING SURE THAT OUR CHARTER IS FOLLOWED. THAT'S WHAT WE [03:25:01] PAY 'EM FOR. THAT'S WHAT WE PAY ALL THE CITY EMPLOYEES FOR. BUT THE THREE I MENTIONED ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE MOST ONUS TO DO SO. SO I WOULD URGE YOU WITH CAUTION TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE NOT, WHEN YOU SAY THAT IT'S AT THE BEHEST OF THE COUNCIL, THAT YOU ARE NOT PUTTING YOURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE YOU HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF EVIL, YOU CONTINUE TO RAISE THE SALARY AND HE CONTINUES TO IGNORE THE CHARTER. I'M ASKING YOU, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, TO PROTECT YOURSELVES. AND I'M ASKING YOU TO BE AWARE THAT THERE IS A CONFLICT THAT FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON IN THE CITY DOESN'T LOOK VERY GOOD TO QUOTE SOMEONE I KNOW IF IT LOOKS LIKE A DUCK, IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK, MOST LIKELY IT IS A DUCK. SO YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL THAT YOU PROTECT YOURSELVES. MAYBE WE DO NEED TO AMEND THIS, BUT I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SAYING AT THE BEHEST OF THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU. COUNCIL, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS BEFORE, UH, WE VOTE? ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, PLEASE VOTE. VICE MAYOR ELLIS. MY, I HAD A QUESTION, MAYOR. SO, OKAY, WE'VE, WE'VE ALL GOT OUR COMMENT READY TO VOTE. SO, UH, ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD PLEASE. WE HAVE, WE'RE WAITING ON YOU. YES. VICE MAYOR ELLIS. WAS THAT A YES VOTE YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT, WELL COUNCIL, WE'RE HERE. WE HAVE THREE [12. Unscheduled Public Appearances] UNSCHEDULED PUBLIC APPEARANCE CARDS AND AGAIN, I WILL CALL THEM OUT IN THE ORDER THAT THEY'VE COME IN TO THOSE WHO DESIRE TO SPEAK UNSCHEDULED. WE CANNOT INTERACT WITH YOU. YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES TO SHARE YOUR COMMENTS. WE WILL NOT INTERACT LIKE AS WE'VE DONE WITH THESE PREVIOUS ONES. FIRST UP, MR. BEAL, AS BEFORE, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. UH, MY NAME IS BROOKE BEAL. I LIVE AT 85 WEST TEAKWOOD PLACE, CHANDLER. UM, SO LATE LAST YEAR I SENT AN EMAIL, UH, REQUESTING SOME INFORMATION FROM SRP AND THEY REPLIED BACK. AND, UH, I FORWARDED THAT EMAIL TO ALL OF YOU, UH, TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHO, THE MEMBERS WHO WERE ON THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME. BUT YOU ALL RECEIVED THAT. UH, I ALSO SENT IT, I BELIEVE, TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND TO MEMBERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UH, BASICALLY THE CONTENT OF THAT LETTER, THAT EMAIL SAYS THAT E-BIKES ARE PROHIBITED ON CONSOLIDATED CANAL, UH, IN CHANDRA, ARIZONA, ACTUALLY. AND, AND ALL OF ANY OF THE SRP CANALS. SO I ATTENDED THE MARCH 27TH COUNCIL MEETING, AND I WAS OPPOSED TO, TO THE APO, THE, UH, APPROVAL OF YOUR REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL, UH, PERMIT. UM, ON APRIL THE FIFTH, I ATTENDED THE ANNUAL RIDE. THERE WERE ABOUT, UH, ABOUT A HALF A DOZEN BICYCLE OFFICERS THERE. THERE WERE ABOUT A HALF A DOZEN E-BIKES THAT WERE THERE. UH, MAYOR, YOU SPOKE, UH, WISHING EVERYONE TO HAVE A SAFE RIDE. AND THEN YOU HANDED THE MICROPHONE TO SOMEONE YOU SAID YOU DON'T KNOW THEIR NAME. THIS IS WHAT YOU TOLD ME TONIGHT. YOU HANDED THE MICROPHONE TO SOME WOMAN AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHO SHE IS. AND SHE SAID SHE SPOKEN TO THE MICROPHONE AND SHE TOLD EVERYONE THERE THAT YOU CAN RIDE ON THE CANAL AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT IN POWER MODE. AS LONG AS THE POWER IS OFF. I HAVE IT ON RE I HAVE THAT RECORDED. SO YOU THEN DID NOT CORRECT HER. YOU ALLOWED THAT STATEMENT TO STAND. SO, UM, SRP WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY CONTACT THEM TO SPEAK TO THEM. THEY HAVE CONCERNS THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT NO E-BIKES ON THE CANAL MEANS. SO IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND AS TO GIVE THEM A CALL, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. AND THEN AFTER THAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS UH, YOU DO, IS TO PUT TOGETHER, UH, SOME [03:30:01] INFORMATION TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS WHAT E-BIKES ARE ALLOWED AND NOT ALLOWED ON THE, ON THE CANAL. I DON'T THINK THAT'S TOO MUCH TO ASK. UM, THESE GUYS WHO ARE RIDING ON THEIR E-BIKES ON THE CANAL, IT'S A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW. IT'S, UH, SIX MONTHS IN JAIL, $5,000 FINE CAN ALSO BE TREATED AS A STATE, UH, CRIMINAL OFFENSE, UH, MONTH IN JAIL. ALSO COULD BE TREATED UNDER 31 6 C OF THE CHANDLER ORDINANCE. UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU RESPOND TO THOSE AND UH, EXPLAIN WHERE, UH, WHERE THE POSITION IS OF, OF THE SENATE. THANK YOU, MR. BILL. YEAH, THANK YOU. POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE IS I STATED I DID NOT RECALL THE NAME OF THE PERSON AND NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS. MAYOR, WE, UH, YEAH, COUNCIL MEMBER, MAYOR, CITY ATTORNEY. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU CAN LOOK INTO, UM, LOOK INTO THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN, UM, SRP WITH THEIR TEAM AND OUR TEAM SO WE CAN GET SOME CLARITY WITH THAT RELATIONSHIP AND THAT PARTNERSHIP? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. NEXT UP FOR UNSCHEDULED PUBLIC APPEARANCES. ALLEN JAMES WORRY, MOST PEOPLE CAN'T DO IT. I CAN'T DO IT EITHER, SIR. BUT PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS OR CONCERNS. WE CANNOT ENGAGE YOU, BUT WE LISTEN. CAN DO, UH, ALLEN JAMES ON MY MEITE, 7 2 7 WEST SUMMIT PLACE, 8 5 2 2 6. UM, QUICK SHOUT OUT. CONGRATULATIONS TO ANY OF THE NEW WOLF PACK THAT GRADUATED TONIGHT FROM CHS. A FEW OF US DID IT OURSELVES LAST CENTURY. UM, SIDE NOTE, ALTHOUGH I WASN'T HERE FOR THIS EVENING'S AGENDA IS ONE THING I DID NOTICE AND I DIDN'T NOTICE ANYBODY MAKING A COMMENT ABOUT IT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT HER REASON WAS FOR CALLING OUT, BUT I BELIEVE WITH THE TWO THINGS THAT WERE ADDRESSED, THE ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT NEEDED TO BE HERE THE MOST TONIGHT WAS NOT. AND TO, WAS THE ONE LEFT HAVING AN ANSWER FOR IT? KELLY SCHWAB? I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE WAS, WOULD'VE KEPT HER AWAY, BUT I'M SURE SHE WOULD'VE HAD A LOT TO SAY OR WOULD'VE HAD MORE CLEAR ANSWERS. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE THE STORY. WHAT BRINGS ME HERE TONIGHT IS I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE MISSION VALLEY NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 1995 AND 1995, WE WEREN'T AN HOA, WE STILL AREN'T. BUT SINCE 1995, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, UM, SALES OF HOMES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE THAT HAVE MOVED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I HAVE MET FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS. AND THAT'S RIGHT UP TO THE POINT OF WALKING OUT THE FRONT DOOR, STOPPING THEM IN MY STREET BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO SPEED BUMPS ENTERING FROM THE AMMA SCHOOL SIDE. I'M NOT SURE IF THE MAPS GOT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT THE FIRST TWO TO THE FURTHEST PART OF THE EAST BETWEEN ME AND A FRIEND THAT BOTH WORKED CONSTRUCTION, HIS TRANSIENT, AND ME DOING IT, WHAT WE FOUND WAS A DIFFERENCE THAT WAS NO LESS THAN 31% BETWEEN THE ONE IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, THE ONE NEXT VERSUS THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS SUCH, UM, ON DIFFERENT DATES HERE, ACTUALLY OCTOBER 3RD, 2023 VERIFIED IT WITH MESA UNIFIED SCHOOL BUSES BECAUSE I CALLED THEM BECAUSE OF THE BUS NUMBER 1 0 2 THAT WENT RACING BY THE HOUSE. BY THE TIME I GOT TO THE PERSON I NEEDED TO SPEAK TO, THEY WERE LIKE, OH YEAH, WE SHOW 'EM THEIR, THEIR GPS. I SAID, UH, YEAH, THEY JUST WENT DOWN THE STREET. COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT THEIR HIGHEST SPEED HAS BEEN IN THE LAST LIKE SEVEN MINUTES? YOU TELL ME. WHO WANTS TO KNOW THEIR CHILD'S ON BOARD A BUS DOING 40 THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DOESN'T HAVE STRAIGHT STREETS. EVERYTHING'S CURVED. NEXT WAS OCTOBER 20TH, 2023. US, MEL YOUNG, A YOUNG GUY THAT I TURNED AROUND AND HE WENT JUMPING OVER 'CAUSE HE HAD ENOUGH SPEED. HE JUMPED THE MEL VEHICLE, WALKED OUT IN THE STREET AS HE WAS COMING BACK, FILMING HIM. AND HE GOES, OH, IF THIS IS ABOUT THE POST OFFICE BEING BROKEN INTO THE MEL, I SAID, NO, NO, NO. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT NEED YOU HAVE TO BE COMING INTO HERE AT SUCH A GREAT SPEED. YOUR VEHICLE ACTUALLY JUMPED OFF THE BUMP IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. AND I SAY BUMP, THAT MEANS SPEED BUMP 'CAUSE IT'S ANYTHING. BUT IF I ENTER MY STREET FROM THE FAR END, I DRIVE AT F THREE 50. IF I'M DOING BETTER THAN 10 MILES AN HOUR, MY REAR END ON MY TRUCK FISH TAILS, I BARELY FILL IT. DRIVING OVER THE TUBE. THAT APPROACH MY HOUSE. THERE'S A REASON WHY EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY NIGHT AND EVERY DAY AFTER WORK, THERE ARE CARS ZOOMING THROUGH. THANK YOU MR. OH, I'M SORRY. OKAY. DIDN'T EVEN CHECK CITY MANAGER, THE HIGH SCHOOL. YES SIR. CITY MANAGER. CAN YOU, UH, HAVE TRAFFIC, UH, GET WITH MR. EMITH AND, UH, DIRECT HIS COMPLAINT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO? YES MA'AM. THANK YOU. CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR, MR. WRIGHT? WOULD YOU SAVE THAT PHONE CALL? 'CAUSE MR. WONG COVERED THAT WITH ME AND I'M UNSURE OF THOSE SIGNATURES I NEED FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE 300 FEET. IS THAT ? THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE MOST LIKELY. THANK YOU, SIR. AND OUR [03:35:01] LAST, UH, UNSCHEDULED PUBLIC SPEAKER IS, UM, MICHAEL HARRINGTON. MR. HARRINGTON, YOU STILL HERE? MR. HARRINGTON IS NOT HERE. ALL RIGHT. LONG NIGHT COUNSEL. [ Current Events 1. Mayor's Announcements 2. Council's Announcements 3. City Manager's Announcements] WE ARE UP TO CURRENT EVENTS. I'VE GOT A FEW I'D LIKE TO SHARE. LAST SATURDAY, WE, WE CELEBRATED THE GRAND REOPENING TUMBLEWEED RECREATION CENTER. THE EXPANSION ADDS 11,000 SQUARE FEET OF PURPOSELY DESIGNED SPACE, INCLUDING AN EVENT HALL, GAME AREA, CLASSROOMS, A CLASS, A CRAFT STUDIO, A FITNESS ROOM, AND EVEN A MINI LIBRARY. ALL AIMED AT ENHANCING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND SUPPORTING MULTI-GENERATIONAL PROGRAMMING. BIG THANKS TO ALL WHO WAS OWED OF TEAM CHANDLER THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE PROJECT. CITY MANAGER, JOSH WRIGHT, DON LANG, JOHN SEPTON, ERICA BERRY, OUR TRC STAFF WHO WILL ACTIVATE THE SPACE, AS WELL AS MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES, THOSE WHO CAME, AND THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN CHAMPIONING THIS SINCE ITS INCEPTION. AND PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE WANNA THANK OUR CHANDLER RESIDENTS FOR BRINGING THIS, THIS PROJECT TO LIFE. THIS PROJECT WAS FUNDED AS PART OF OUR LAST BOND ELECTION, AND WE'RE EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER THIS PROJECT TO OUR COMMUNITY. SECONDLY, UM, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPRESENT CHANDLER IN GERMANY AS PART OF THE GERMAN AMERICAN SEMICONDUCTOR CITY NETWORK. THIS IS A THREE YEAR PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN GERMAN AND AMERICAN CITIES THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANT SEMICONDUCTOR INVESTMENTS TO CONNECT, SHARE IDEAS AND EXPERIENCES, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, IDENTIFY STRATEGIES AND BEST PRACTICES THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED IN OUR RESPECTIVE COMMUNITIES. WE FOUND A, A VERY WILLING AUDIENCE THAT WE SHARED A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION BACK AND FORTH AND, UH, MICAH MIRANDA WAS ON SPOT IN TERMS OF RECOGNIZING FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES AND BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN OUR COMMUNITIES. AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO SEE WHERE THIS GOES. MANY OF THESE FOLKS, SEVERAL OF THESE FOLKS WILL BE BACK IN PHOENIX FOR SEMICON. THE SEMICONDUCTOR, UM, CONFERENCE THAT IT'S FIRST TIME WILL BE IN PHOENIX IN OCTOBER. OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM IN INCLUDED RYAN PETERS, STRATEGIC INEPT INITIATIVES DIRECTOR, AS I MENTIONED, MICAH MIRANDA, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, JOHN KNUTSON, PUBLIC WORKS, AS WELL AS NEIL KAKI FROM A SU, UH, DEVELOPMENT. AND, AND CARLA, WHAT IS CARLA'S LAST NAME AGAIN? TORAN. YEAH. OH, I KNEW I WAS GONNA MIX IT UP. OKAY. AMAZING REPRESENTATIVE TALKING ABOUT POWER AND SRP. SO TOGETHER WE PUT TOGETHER AN AMAZING TEAM THAT DID GREAT WORK IN GERMANY. LASTLY FOR ME, I DO WANNA WISH A VERY EXCITING AND WELL-DESERVED CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR CHANDLER SENIORS, IT'S GRADUATION SEASON. AND WHETHER OUR SENIORS ARE OFF TO COLLEGE, TRADE SCHOOL, THE MILITARY, THE WORKFORCE, OR EXPLORING ANOTHER PATH. WE HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THEIR FUTURES ARE BRIGHT. I I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU CAUGHT IT, BUT CHANDLER UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS RECENTLY RATED THE TOP SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA. SO TO ALL OF OUR STUDENTS, TO ALL OF OUR TEACHERS, TO ALL ADMINISTRATORS. HAPPY SUMMER BREAK. COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINAS. THANK YOU MAYOR. YOU STOLE MY FINAL ANNOUNCEMENT. I DID ALSO WANT TO CONGRATULATE ALL THE SENIORS AT THE CLASS OF 2025, 2005. UM, WE DO HAVE ONE OF THE TOP SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE COUNTRY. I'M A PRODUCT OF THAT, AND IT, IT'S A GREAT INSTITUTION TO BE A PART OF. AND I'M EXCITED FOR THESE STUDENTS TO CONTINUE ON THEIR EDUCATION. I DO WANNA GIVE A SPECIAL SHOUT OUT TO, UM, SOME OF MY COUSINS. WE HAVE A HOUSE DIVIDED, WE HAVE SOME HAMILTON HUSKIES AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME CHANDLER WOLVES OUT THERE. I'M A WOLVES. LET'S GO, UM, TO ARIANA ASENCIO AND FLOWER MARTINEZ. I WANNA CONGRATULATE THEM AND WISH THEM THE WEST BEST IN THEIR FUTURE HERE IN CHIAMA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. COUNCIL MEMBER BOTON. I'LL KEEP IT SHORT AND SWEET. MAY IS SMALL BUSINESS MONTH SHOP, LOCAL SHOP HANDLER. WOW. SHORT AND SWEET. UH, COUNCILMAN ORLANDO. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, COUNCILMAN POST WILL BE, UM, REPRESENTING US ON MEMORIAL DAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, FOR THOSE OUT THERE, I HAVE A LITTLE SAYING. I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT TO REMIND US JUST WHAT THIS REALLY MEANS. ARMED FORCES DAY ARE FOR THOSE THAT ARE STILL IN UNIFORM VETERANS DAY, LIKE MYSELF, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS ARE THOSE OF US THAT HUNG UP OUR UNIFORM MEMORIAL DAY ARE THOSE THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT OUTTA THEIR UNIFORM. SO PLEASE REMEMBER THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THAT DAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. [03:40:02] THANK YOU MAYOR. JUST WANTED TO GIVE A UPDATE. UM, THIS PAST WEEK I WAS IN WASHINGTON, DC AS YOU KNOW, I SERVE AS THE CHAIR OF, UH, VALLEY METRO, WHICH CONTROLS 70% OF THE STATE'S TRANSPORTATION. AND I WENT TO DC THIS WEEK TO ADVOCATE ON, UH, MORE DOLLARS TO COME INTO OUR STATE REGION FOR TRANSPORTATION, TO PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY AND TO CONTINUE TO, UH, INCREASE OUR SAFETY, UH, IN OUR, IN OUR LOCAL REGION. SO I WAS PROUD TO ATTEND THAT. I GOT A CHANCE TO MEET WITH THE SENATORS AND THE CON AND THE CONGRESS, UM, AND THE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATES, WHICH IS ALL THE DELEGATES, DELEGATES AROUND THE, UH, THE STATE OF ARIZONA. SO THAT WAS PRETTY COOL AND WE WALKED AWAY WITH SOME GREAT RESOLVE FROM, UM, FROM THAT AS WELL. UM, NEXT IS JUNETEENTH. WE GOT JUNETEENTH COMING UP. SO EXCITED, UH, AS MAY COME TO A CLOSE, UH, CULTURE. MUSIC IN A PARK IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. AND WE WANNA INVITE YOU GUYS TO COME ON, UH, DOWNTOWN CHANDLER TO HAVE A GOOD TIME AND CELEBRATE WITH SOME FUN DANCING AND JUST SOME MEMORABLE TIME OF JUST, YOU KNOW, COLLABORATING WITH EVERYONE. IT IS REALLY GOOD TIME. AND, AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU, WE GET THE LA THE LINE DANCING OUT THERE. UH, MAYOR, I HOPE YOU'RE GONNA BE THERE. YOU KNOW, HE GOT A LITTLE DANCE THAT HE DOES. I WON'T EMBARRASS HIM TODAY. I'LL SEE ABOUT LATER ON, MAYBE THE NEXT ANNOUNCEMENT. UH, BUT IT'S, IT'S REALLY COOL. WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR A WHILE, SO IT'LL BE, EVERYONE IS INVITED TO THE CULTURE AND MUSEUM PARK, SOMETHING THAT I STARTED AND CREATED RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY OF CHANDLER, JUNE 14TH, FROM 7:00 PM TO NINE 30 DOWNTOWN. WE'LL HAVE MISS JUNETEENTH, ARIZONA SCHOLARSHIP PAGEANT IN JUNE 13TH AND THE JUNETEENTH FATHER'S DAY MIXER ON THE 15TH. AND YOU CAN FIND OUT ALL THE DETAILS ABOUT THESE EVENTS@CHANDLERAZ.GOV SLASH JUNETEENTH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS. OH, WAIT A MINUTE. WAIT A MINUTE. I FORGOT ONE THING I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE. MY WIFE IS IN THE AUDIENCE. I LOVE HER. AND, UM, WE HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER VISITING FROM OUTTA TOWN, SO I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THAT. SO JUST WANNA PUT IT OUT THERE. COUNCIL MEMBER HAWKINS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I HAD THE PLEASURE. LAST SUNDAY, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN, UH, PASTOR JAMES BROWN AND THE FULL LIFE CHURCH FOR THEIR 100 YEARS OF HISTORY AND SERVICE RIGHT HERE IN CHANDLER. UM, IT WAS REALLY FUN. THEY HAD A LOT OF GUEST SPEAKERS, SOME FOLKS, SOME LADIES THERE THAT HAVE LIVED IN CHANDLER SINCE WHEN THEY HAD THEIR FIRST LOCATION JUST DOWN HERE IN DOWNTOWN. UM, SO IT WAS REALLY COOL TO SEE ALL THAT. I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT THEY INVITED THE CITY TO BE A PART OF THAT. UM, AND IT WAS JUST A REALLY WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE AND, UH, I WAS HONORED TO BE THERE, SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT FUN LITTLE FACT. THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER. NOTHING TONIGHT, MAYOR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL LONG MEETING. UH, THIS CONCLUDES OUR NINTH. THIS IS NOTHING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.