May 21, 2025 Planning & Zoning Meeting - 05/21/2025

HI.

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NICE TO MEET YOU, KATE.

EVERYBODY READY?

[ Call to Order/Roll Call]

CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIR CUMAN.

HERE.

VICE CHAIR KOAL.

COMMISSIONER QUINN.

COMMISSIONER BARLOW.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER GALA.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER SCHWARTZER.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER BILSTEIN.

HERE WE HAVE QUORUM AND THE TWO COMMISSIONERS ARE NOT HERE.

DO HAVE AN EXCUSED ABSENCE? OKAY.

UM, WE HAVE A STUDY SESSION PRIOR TO THIS.

I DO HAVE A SPEAKER CARD ON THE ITEM NUMBER THREE.

SO JULIET, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

PLEASE CHAIR.

WERE YOU GONNA DO THE PLEDGE BEFORE? OH, I'M SO SORRY.

HOLD ON.

LET'S DO THE PLEDGE.

I THANK YOU.

I EVEN HAD TOM ALREADY .

I'M ALL GEARED UP NOW.

HE'S LIKE THINKING I HAD GOT OUTTA IT.

I PLEDGE ALL A FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH TO STAND.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE.

ALL THANK YOU MR. STEIN.

I DO APPRECIATE IT.

OKAY,

[ Unscheduled Public Appearances Members of the audience may address any item not on the agenda. State Statute prohibits the Board or Commission from discussing an item that is not on the agenda, but the Board or Commission does listen to your concerns and has staff follow up on any questions you raise.]

JULIET SPENCE, 2 2 0 SOUTH DAKOTA STREET, CHANDLER, ARIZONA.

8 5 2 2 5.

I WALKED HERE.

I LIVE REALLY CLOSE HERE.

IT'S MY FIRST TIME ATTENDING.

UM, YOUR COMMISSIONS.

MEETINGS.

I'M A NEW RESIDENT.

I LOVE LIVING IN DOWNTOWN CHANDLER.

I WOULD LIVE NOWHERE ELSE AND I HAVE INCLUDING INTERNATIONALLY.

HOWEVER, I LIVE IN PUEBLO.

BEJO, AS ITS NAME SUGGESTS, IT HAS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE TO THIS COMMUNITY, TO THE CITY IN GENERAL.

IT IS, IF NOT THE, ONE OF THE OLDEST COMMUNITIES IN CHANDLER.

ONCE AGAIN, I WALKED HERE.

IT IS AT THE HEART OF DOWNTOWN CHANDLER.

IT HAS BEGUN TO CHANGE RECENTLY, VERY RECENTLY SINCE I BOUGHT MY PROPERTY .

UM, WE HAVE WITHIN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF HAD A DUPLEX BE BUILT.

ONCE AGAIN, LOVE HAVING NEW NEIGHBORS.

I MOVED HERE.

I WANT TO ENCOURAGE OTHER PEOPLE TO MOVE TO CHANDLER.

HOWEVER, THE DUPLEX IS VERY TALL.

IT TAKES UP NEARLY THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

IT FITS IN NEITHER IN ITS STRUCTURE NOR ITS SIZE, NOR ITS FEELING WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT TOWERS OVER EVERYTHING YOU HAVE VOTED ON OR WILL TONIGHT.

I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T LOOK AT YOUR AGENDA.

JUST GOT HERE.

YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE ON A NEW DUPLEX TO BE BUILT RIGHT IN THIS SAME AREA.

VERY CLOSE.

IT IS GOING TO BE OF A SIMILAR SIZE STRUCTURE AND FEEL FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

ONE.

EH, IT WAS JUST BAD LUCK FOR ME.

IT'S LOCATION.

IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME.

ANOTHER ONE IN THAT SHORT OF TIME THAT SIZE IN A, IN A PHRASE I CAN JUST SAY TO YOU, IF YOU HAVE NOT CONSIDERED THIS, THIS IS THE FIRST STAGE OF GENTRIFICATION OF, OF ALL NEIGHBORHOODS, PUEBLO BEJO.

AND WE KNOW WHAT GENTRIFICATION DOES TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU VOTE FOR THIS DUPLEX PIECE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS SPEAKER? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, SO ANY COMMENTS ON BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE, THE CONSENT AGENDA FROM ANYBODY? OKAY, I, I DO HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS.

UM, AND I,

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THIS IS AN UNUSUAL PARCEL BECAUSE THIS WAS MF TWO SWITCH TO SINGLE HOME FAMILY, BACK TO MF TWO.

AND IT'S REAL INTERESTING HOW THIS GOT DONE.

AND DAVID, YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR 47 YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT NOW, BUT, UM, HOW THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ZONE MF TWO.

UM, AND I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE FACT THAT IT, IT'S A VERY LARGE BUILDING IN THIS AREA, BUT BY RIGHT, IT COULD BE DONE.

I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE 50% LOT COVERAGE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IT REDUCED DOWN TO LIKE MAYBE 42 TO 45.

UM, 'CAUSE NORMALLY ON A DUPLEX WE'D ALLOW IT.

45.

DO YOU, DAVID, DO YOU KNOW WHY THE REASONING TO GO TO THE 50 SHOULD JUST MAKE MORE MONEY? OR IS IT JUST WHAT SO MR. CHAIRMAN, THE, UH, PROPOSAL IS, WOULD COVER, UH, 47% LOT COVERAGE.

AND, UH, THE STAFF PROPOSED TO HAVE THE MAXIMUM BE 50% IN CASE THEY WANTED TO ADD, UH, AN OUTDOOR PATIO COVER.

'CAUSE ANY, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU CALCULATE THE LOCK COVERAGE, ANYTHING THAT'S UNDER A ROOF, UM, GETS CALCULATED TOWARDS THAT LOCK COVERAGE.

AND SO IF, IF THEY WANTED TO ADD A PATIO COVER IN THEIR OUTDOOR COURT AREA, UM, THAT WOULD INCREASE THE LOCK COVERAGE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE GAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER 3% TO GO TO 50% SO THAT THEY COULD ADD THAT PATIO ROOF IN THE FUTURE IF THEY WANTED TO.

BUT THE NORMAL STANDARD WOULD BE 45.

CORRECT.

THE NORMAL.

UH, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHY ARE WE EXEMPTING THEM? WHY ARE WE ALLOWING, WHAT ARE THEY GIVING US FOR THE EXTRA 5%? I MEAN, NORMALLY WHEN WE DO PEOPLE ASK FOR A REDUCED SETBACK, DIFFERENT THINGS.

WE USUALLY, THERE'S SOME REASON AND THERE'S SOME GIVE AND TAKE.

IT IS PRO, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR.

IT IS, IT IS MAKING THE, UH, THE LOT DEVELOPABLE AND, UM, AND PROVIDING MORE HOUSING.

UM, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY RESPONSE TO THAT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

GO.

SO FOR LOT COVERAGE THEN, THE TWO COVERED PARKING SPACES ARE INCLUDED IN THAT FOR 50% LOT COVERAGE AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE THE 47%, WHICH INCLUDES THE TWO COVERED SPACES AND THEN WE PUT IT UP TO 50 IN CASE THEY WANT TO DO THEIR COVERED PATIO.

THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY? OKAY, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS

[ Consent Agenda Items listed on the Consent Agenda may be enacted by one motion and one vote. If a discussion is required by members of the Board or Commission, the item will be removed from the Consent Agenda for discussion and determination will be made if the item will be considered separately.]

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UM, I DO WANNA MAKE A COMMENT LIKE I JUST SAID.

I I, THIS IS A TOUGH CHALLENGE.

AGAIN, THIS WAS ZONE MF TWO SWITCH BACK TO SINGLE FAMILY.

UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO DIRECT STAFF THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MASSIVENESS OF THIS AND DON'T LET THIS SET THE PRECEDENTS.

THE NEXT STEP IS 52%, IT'S 54%, IT'S 58% AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE BUILDING ZERO LOT LINE STUFF THAT WAS NOT DESIGNED FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE ZERO LOT LINE.

UM, SO I THINK THAT'S SUPER IMPORTANT.

I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN STUFF COMES TO THIS COMMISSION, IF THERE ARE EMAILS FROM CITIZENS, I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S ON OUR DAAS.

I THINK THAT'S NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF AS WELL AND STUFF.

SO WITH THAT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

MA'AM, THIS IS A, A RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

JUNE 12TH.

THIS WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT TIME TO EXPRESS YOUR CONCERNS AS WELL.

SO, UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS,

[ Member Comments/Announcements]

WE HAVE A, A COUPLE COMMENTS FOR I'LL START AND THEN I'LL HAND IT OVER TO, UM, TO LAUREN.

UM, FIRST THE, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME DANIELLE SME, OUR NEW MANAGEMENT ASSISTANT, WHO WILL BE, UM, BEING THE CLERK.

UM, SHE'LL BE, UH, UH, SWITCHING WITH, WITH TAYLOR OFF AND ON.

SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME HER.

AND THEN ALSO, UM, I'D LIKE TO, UM, GIVE YOU A HEADS UP THAT WE DO HAVE, UH, TWO MEETINGS PLANNED IN JUNE, JUNE 4TH, AND THEN JUNE 18TH I BELIEVE.

SO WE EXPECT THE, UM, THE DOWNTOWN REGION AREA PLAN TO BE, TO, TO COME BEFORE THE, THE, THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION ON JUNE 18TH.

AND, UH, YOU'LL PROBABLY BE SEEING AN EMAIL FROM DANIELLE SHORTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM FOR THAT MEETING.

OKAY.

I WILL BE CALLING IN FOR THAT MEETING.

SURE.

WE, SO, OKAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER BILSTEIN? UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO WISH COMMISSIONER GALA HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

OOH, WAIT, WE'RE NOT GONNA EMBARRASS YOU MUCH.

UH, BEAT .

I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD DO THAT.

THAT WOULD BE MORE EMBARRASSING FOR YOU.

YEAH, THEY, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY BAN US FROM THE LIFE IF WE START SINGING HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU.

SO ANYWAY,

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SORRY.

UH, MR. CHAIRMAN LAUREN DID HAVE A NUMBER.

OH, I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY.

OH, NO, NO.

THANK YOU.

UH, YOU'RE GONNA SING HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

OF COURSE, OF COURSE.

NO, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU, I WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING REGARDING THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE.

UH, TWO SATURDAYS AGO WE HAD, UH, AN EVENT AT THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS CHANDLER TALKS WHERE WE HAD EXPERTS FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY COME AND TALK ABOUT HOUSING AND WATER.

UH, IT WAS MOTHER'S DAY WEEKEND AND, UH, GRADUATIONS.

BUT WE DID HAVE A REALLY, UH, GOOD TURNOUT.

I WANNA SAY IT WAS ABOUT 65 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE.

WE DID RECORD IT.

SO I AM GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH AN EMAIL TO YOU GUYS, UH, WITH THE LINK SO YOU GUYS COULD WATCH IT.

UH, IT WAS, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD EVENT AND A LOT OF, UH, THOUGHT CAME OUT OF IT.

UH, THE WEEK FOLLOWING THAT, WE ALSO THEN DID, UH, CHANDLER LISTENS WHERE RESIDENTS CAME OUT AND STARTED TALKING THROUGH HOUSING TYPES AND LAND USE TYPES, UH, FOR OUR NEXT PUBLIC MEETING, WHICH WILL BE, UH, END OF JULY, UH, THE CONSULTANT IS GONNA TAKE THOSE LAND USE MAPS THAT WERE MADE, UH, LAST WEEK THROUGH THE CHANDLER LISTENS AND START MODELING THEM TO SHOW, UH, RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE.

UH, SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE ON THE LOOKOUT.

I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH AN EMAIL SO YOU GUYS COULD WATCH THAT AND, UH, KEEP YOU INFORMED OF ALL EVENTS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED.

SO THANK YOU.

THANKS, LAUREN.

ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY ELSE? EVERYBODY WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY AND BE SAFE.