Nov 07, 2024 City Council Meeting 11/07/2024

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GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME

[ Call to Order]

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

UH, SOMEONE'S COMING IN HOT CLERK, PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL.

MAYOR HARTKE HERE, VICE MAYOR HARRIS.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINA.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON.

HERE.

WE HAVE A QUORUM.

THANK YOU CITY CLERK.

OUR INVOCATION TONIGHT IS BROUGHT FORTH BY REVEREND STEVE FOSS FROM FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH AND OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY OUR VICE MAYOR OTI HARRIS.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE TONIGHT.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MAYOR.

LET US PRAY.

FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR OUR COUNTRY AND WE THANK YOU FOR PEACE.

WE THANK YOU FOR FATHER THE, THE LAWS THAT, AND, AND THE CONSTITUTION THAT WE HAVE TO PROTECT NOT ONLY OUR PEACE, BUT OUR INDIVIDUAL LIBERTIES.

WE THANK YOU FOR LIFE, FOR WE ARE MADE IN YOUR IMAGE, AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE SACREDNESS OF IT.

WE THANK YOU FOR LIBERTY THAT WE WHO WERE CAPTIVE AND HELD BY SIN.

LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THE LIBERTY, HOW YOU LIBERATED US, EMANCIPATED US FROM THE BONDS OF DEATH.

THANK YOU LORD FOR HAPPINESS AND THE PURSUIT OF IT.

LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR FINDING OUR HAPPINESS IN YOU.

LORD, MAY THIS MEETING THAT'S CONVENED TONIGHT, BE A MEETING THAT PRESERVES THE FOUNDATIONAL ELEMENTS OF OUR CONSTITUTION AND ALLOWS PEOPLE TO EXPERIENCE LIFE, LIBERTY, AND HAPPINESS.

BLESS THIS CITY, LORD, BLESS THOSE WHO ARE MAKING, UH, THESE DECISIONS TONIGHT.

MAY THEY MAKE WISE DECISIONS FOR A SENIOR.

YOUR HOLY NAME WE PRAY.

AMEN.

AMEN.

PLEASE JOIN ME IN RECITING THE PLEASURE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I I ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.

THANK YOU REVEREND.

THANK YOU VICE MAYOR.

COUNCIL.

NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

[ Consent Agenda Items listed on the Consent Agenda may be enacted by one motion and one vote. If a discussion is required by members of the governing body, the item will be removed from the Consent Agenda for discussion and determination will be made if the item will be considered separately. Proposed Motion: Move to approve the Consent Agenda of the November 7, 2024, Regular Meeting, Items 1 - 39.]

SO BEFORE WE PROCEED, I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UM, MR. LIDMAN TO COME ON UP.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND WHEN THE LIGHT TURNS ON, YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES, SIR.

DWAYNE LIDMAN, 2301 WEST PALOMINO DRIVE.

CHANDLER, I'M OPPOSED TO HOUSE BILL 2297.

THAT REQUIRES OUR CITY TO ALLOW MULTI-FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL OR ADAPTIVE REUSE OF OFFICE OR MIXED USE BUILDINGS WITHOUT REQUIRING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, A REZONING APPLICATION, OR ANY OTHER APPLICATION THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THIS REQUIREMENT SUPERSEDES CHANDLER VOTERS APPROVED MASTER PLAN, OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS AUTHORITY, OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH PROCESS, AND OUR MAYOR AND COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS SETH FORTH BY HB 2297.

UNFORTUNATELY, YOUR MANDATED APPROVAL TONIGHT OF ITEM NINE WILL FURTHER ERODE THE CITY OF CHANDLER'S ABILITY TO SELF-CONTROL.

THANK YOU FOR CON YOUR CONSIDERATION OF MY COMMENTS AND ALLOWING ME TO VENT.

THANK YOU MR. LINMAN.

MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER LAND.

AND MR. LINDMAN, YOU WERE AT THE WORK SESSION WHERE WE ALL VENT IT, SO THANK YOU.

YEAH.

UH, COUNCIL, THAT'S THE ONLY SPEAKER CARD RELATED TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, I WANTED TO ASK KELLY SOMETHING BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, IN REGARDS TO HIS COMMENTS ON ITEM NINE.

PROCEED.

YEAH, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, JUST FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT ITEM NINE IS, BUT THE MANDATE THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO VOTE ON THIS JUST KIND OF WANTED YOU TO BOUNCE THAT OVER TO YOU JUST TO KIND OF GIVE A HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE'RE DOING, EVEN THOUGH WE MAY NOT NECESSARILY AGREE, BUT WE'RE DOING IT BECAUSE THE LAW, I JUST WANTED TO PASS THAT OVER TO YOU.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

IF I MAY, UM, AS A CITY, WE ARE, UM, FORMED, UM, PURSUANT TO THE ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES AND WE'RE SUBJECT TO, UM, THE LAWS CREATED BY OUR STATE LEGISLATURE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FORMED UNDER.

WE HAVE TO ACT.

UM, OUR ACTIONS ARE AUTHORIZED BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND WE ARE BOUND BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

LAST SESSION

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AND IT DOES REQUIRE US TO AMEND OUR LAWS TO ALLOW MULTIFAMILY COMING IN BY RIGHT.

IT, IT SUPERSEDES OUR NORMAL PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS POSTING AND ALL THAT.

UM, UH, UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS RELATING TO REDEVELOPMENT OF, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL CENTERS THAT ARE NO LONGER ACTIVE IN DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND AS A, AN ENTITY THAT IS CREATED BY THE LEGISLATURE AND SUBJECT TO LEGISLATIVE PREEMPTION, WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO COMPLY WITH THAT.

OKAY.

AND, AND IF WE DON'T COMPLY, THEN WHAT'S OUR LEGAL, UM, IF WE DON'T COMPLY, UH, WE COULD BE SUBJECT TO LITIGATION TO FORCE US TO COMPLY WITH THIS.

AND IT IS EXTREMELY LIKELY A COURT IN REVIEWING THIS WOULD SAY WE HAVE TO COMPLY BECAUSE OF OUR LEGISLATION, THE WAY WE ARE SET UP AND BEING SUBJECT TO, UM, STATE LAWS.

ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART? YEAH, THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I AGREE WITH MR. LIDMAN AND, AND THE, UH, OVERSTEP HERE FROM THE STATE.

YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE PUT TOGETHER GENERAL PLANS AND OUTLINED THE, UH, THE WAY OUR CITY WILL LOOK FOR FOR THE FUTURE, UH, IT, IT IS UNFORTUNATE, BUT AS WE SERVE AT THE LEISURE OF THE STATE, PER OF THE CONSTITUTION, DOES THIS PARTICULAR, UM, UH, ITEM ON THE AGENDA, THIS IS FOR US TO FIT WITHIN THAT, BUT ALSO TO ALSO AMEND OUR CODE SO THAT WE CAN, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE APPLICANTS THAT COME IN FIT THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE REQUIRE IN OUR CITY TOO, THOUGH.

RIGHT.

UM, MAYOR, IF I MAY, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART, THAT IS CORRECT.

SO WHERE WE WERE LEFT WITH SOME AUTHORITY, WE HAVE USED THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE BUFFERS AND, AND WE PROTECT THE PROPERTY IN THE AREA TO THE BEST EXTENT POSSIBLE, OTHER USES TO THE BEST EXTENT POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU.

SO, COUNSEL, THERE'S NO OTHER CARDS THAT HAVE CALLED IN UNLESS, UH, THERE IS OTHER PROCEEDING QUESTIONS.

A MOTION WOULD BE IN ORDER THERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO MAKES A MOTION TO I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS OF THE NOVEMBER 7TH, 2024 REGULAR MEETING ITEMS ONE THROUGH 39 SECOND AND IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINAS.

MAYOR, I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE ACTION OF RECUSAL COUNCIL MEMBER POST.

YES, I'LL BE RECUSING MYSELF ON ITEM 28 FOR A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

OKAY, COUNCIL, NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? RECUSALS, PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, UM, WITH THE, UM, WITH COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON DECLARING A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON ITEM 28.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

NEXT

[40. Resolution No. 5846 Amending the Citywide Fee Schedule relating to the Community Services, Cultural Development, Development Services, Fire, and Public Works & Utilities Departments Move City Council pass and adopt Resolution No. 5846 amending the Citywide Fee Schedule relating to the Community Services, Cultural Development, Development Services, Fire, and Public Works & Utilities Departments, with fee changes effective January 1, 2025. Council Focus Area(s):]

UH, RESOLUTION NUMBER 58 46 AMENDING THE CITYWIDE FEE SCHEDULE.

AND IF MATT DUNBAR WOULD LIKE TO, UH, COME UP AND GIVE A STELLAR PRESENTATION, STELLAR PRESENTATION, MAYOR, THAT'S, THAT'S A HIGH BAR TO REACH, SO WE'RE GONNA SEE IF WE CAN HIT THAT TODAY.

UM, ALTHOUGH I HAVE HAD SOME RECENT TRAINING.

SATURDAY I WAS OUT DOING SOME, UH, GARBAGE PICKUP AND THEY HAD A LITTLE TRAINING BEFOREHAND, WHICH TO ME WAS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE I JUST PICKED IT UP AS I WENT ALONG.

SO, , UH, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE C SCHEDULE.

UH, THIS HAS BEEN POSTED OUT ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE FOR THE LAST, UM, COUPLE OF MONTHS.

UH, THERE IS A COMMENT OPTION ON THE FEE SCHEDULE WHEN WE POST IT AND WE HAVE RECEIVED NO COMMENTS.

SO AS WE GO THROUGH THAT, UH, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WELL.

UH, JUST WANNA GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF KIND OF THE ANNUAL REVIEW THAT WE DO.

UH, DEPARTMENTS REVIEW THEIR FEES ANNUALLY TO VERIFY IF THERE ARE ANY UPDATES THAT ARE NEEDED.

SOME OF THOSE UPDATES MAY BE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES SUCH AS FOR CLARITY OR CLEANUP.

UH, THERE'S SOME OLD LANGUAGE POTENTIALLY THAT WE HAVE TO CLEAN UP.

WE ALSO LOOK TO ENSURE THAT COSTS RECOVERY IS STILL IN LINE WITH WHERE WE ANTICIPATE IT TO BE.

UH, IF WE CHARGE FOR EXCLUSIVE USE OF CITY SPACES, WE VERIFY THAT THAT'S HAPPENING, UH, AND MAKE ALTERATIONS TO THOSE IF NEEDED.

UH, WE MAKE RESIDENT RECOMMENDATION CHANGES.

SO IF WE HEAR FROM RESIDENTS, GET FEEDBACK FROM THEM ON CHANGES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UH, AT DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE WE DO CHARGE FEES, WE TRY TO INCORPORATE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND THEN THERE'S OTHER FEES THAT MAY ENCOURAGE COMPLIANCE OR ASSIST IN AND ISSUE RESOLUTION.

SO, UH, SOME OF THOSE ARE HIGHLIGHTED TODAY AS WE GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE CHANGES, UH, THAT ARE RECOMMENDED FOR KIND OF WHAT AREA THEY FIT UNDER.

UH, THE EFFECTIVE DATE FOR THESE CHANGES WOULD BE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW CALENDAR YEAR, SO JANUARY FI FIRST, 2025.

UH, CHARACTERISTICS OF FEES, JUST TO KEEP IN MIND, FEES.

DID WE GO TOO FAR? NOPE.

GOOD UP THERE.

ALL

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SO FEES ARE ASSESSED, UM, FOR USE OF FACILITIES OR SERVICES THAT BENEFIT SPECIFIC GROUPS.

UH, TYPICALLY THESE FEES ARE INSURED TO CHARGE THOSE WHO ARE REMOVING PUBLIC SPACE FROM AVAILABILITY TO THE PUBLIC.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I WERE TO USE A, UH, A SPECIFIC LOCATION, UH, THEN THE PUBLIC DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

SO THERE'S A FEE CHARGE FOR THAT EXCLUSIVE USE.

UH, THE FEES REFLECT FULL OR PARTIAL RECOVERY OF COSTS TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE AUTHORITY TO CHARGE THOSE FEES IN OUR CITY CODE.

AND THEN THE FEES THAT WE DO CHARGE ARE, UH, SET BY RESOLUTION IN THE FEE SCHEDULE.

SO, JUST AN OVERVIEW OF KIND OF THE PROCESS WE'VE TAKEN, UH, DEPARTMENTS HAVE PROPOSED THEIR FEE UPDATES.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION, UH, INTERNALLY AND WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

UH, ADDITIONALLY WE HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE THAT KIND OF SHARES SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED PUBLICLY AND WITH MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, IN AUGUST, SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME.

WE TABULATED THOSE FEES, THOSE RECOMMENDED FEES, DID OUR ANALYST ANALYSIS AND SUMMARIZED THEM, UH, ON SEPTEMBER 6TH.

WE POSTED THOSE FEES PER STATE STATUTE WERE REQUIRED TO POST THEM AT LEAST 60 DAYS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.

AND THEN AFTER POSTING, WE ALSO PUBLISHED A NOTICE OF INTENT IN THE NEWSPAPER, UH, AND SOCIAL MEDIA POSTINGS AS WELL TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW ABOUT, UH, THESE POTENTIAL FEE CHANGES.

OUR ACTION ITEM IS SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT, WHICH IS, UH, A LITTLE OVER 60 DAYS SINCE THE POSTING OF THE NOTICE OF INTENT.

AND IN OUR REVIEW, WE'VE, WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, FEES ACROSS THE CITY.

THESE ARE THE FIVE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDING FEE CHANGES.

WE HAVE COMMUNITY SERVICES, CULTURAL DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, FIRE AND PUBLIC WORKS, AND UTILITIES.

SOME OF THEM ARE MORE IN DEPTH, UH, FEE CHANGES.

SO WE'VE HAD PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS AND PUBLIC MEETINGS ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS OVER THE LAST MANY, UH, MONTHS.

COMMUNITY SERVICES, WE'VE HAD A QUALITY OF LIFE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING, PARKS AND REC BOARD DISCUSSIONS AND COUNCIL WORK SESSION IN OCTOBER OF 2023.

UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FEES, THERE'S A COMMUNITY SAFETY SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.

AND THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FEES, UH, THERE'S A COUNCIL WORK SESSION ON COORDINATION OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND PROPOSED PERMIT AND FEES, UH, JUST IN MAY OF 2024 AS WELL.

SO WE'LL START WITH COMMUNITY SERVICES AND WE HAVE A HIGH LEVEL, UH, REVIEW OF WHAT THEIR PROPOSED FEES ARE.

THERE IS A SUMMARY, UH, THAT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE AS WELL AS IN YOUR PACKETS.

SO THE, WHERE THESE RESIDE IS, UH, INDICATED WITH THE PAGE NUMBER AS WELL AS THERE'S A CITYWIDE FEE SCHEDULED DRAFT.

UH, SO THE PAGE NUMBER THAT CORRELATES WITH THAT AS WELL.

SO IF YOU WANT KIND OF THE DETAIL, THAT'S WHY YOU'LL FIND IT.

UH, BUT FIRST THIS IS, UH, SOME ADMINISTRATIVE TYPE CHANGES IN AQUATICS.

UH, THEY WOULD ADD A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR DISCOUNTED PUNCH PASSES.

UH, THERE ARE CURRENTLY DO SELL PUNCH PASSES, BUT THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR A DISCOUNT FOR RESIDENTS TO BUY THOSE, YOU KNOW, MULTI PUNCH POOL PASSES FOR A VARIETY OF, UH, KIDS, ADULTS, AND SENIORS AS WELL.

UH, THERE'S A CHANGE TO THE SWIM TEAM FEE FROM A PER GUARD TO A $5 PER LANE FEE.

AND THAT CORRELATES WITH THE CHANGES THEY'VE MADE, UH, FROM THE GUARD REQUIREMENTS FOR SWIM TEAMS. AND THEN SINCE WE'VE GONE AWAY FROM UTILIZING THE RED CROSS, UH, LEARN TO SWIM PROGRAM, WE'RE REMOVING THE SPECIFIC RED CROSS LEARN TO SWIM FEES AND GUARD CERTIFICATION FEES THAT ARE RELATED TO RED CROSS.

ON THE PARKS SIDE OF COMMUNITY SERVICES.

THESE ARE MORE RELATED TO EXCLUSIVE USE.

UH, THERE'S A 25% INCREASE ON PAVILION RENTALS OF ALL SIZES DUE TO RISING STAFF AND MAINTENANCE COSTS.

UH, THE SAME AMOUNT OF AN INCREASE FOR BALL FIELD RESERVATIONS DUE TO THE RISING COSTS AS WELL.

AND A SLIGHT INCREASE TO THE FIELD PREPARATION FOR REGULAR AND AFTER HOURS AND FIELD STAFFING COSTS FOR THOSE FIELD PREPARATIONS AND FIELD USAGE FOR COMMUNITY SERVICE RECREATION FACILITIES, AGAIN, THIS IS MORE OF AN EXCLUSIVE USE FEE, UH, IS A 15% INCREASE TO OUR MULTIPURPOSE ROOM RENTAL FEES FOR SMALL, MEDIUM, AND LARGE, AND WOULD CHANGE THE SETUP FEE FOR ROOM RESERVATIONS FROM $25 PER HOUR TO $50 PER HOUR FOR RESIDENTS.

$34 PER HOUR TO $68 PER HOUR FOR NON-RESIDENTS, AND $38 TO $75 AN HOUR FOR COMMERCIAL RENTALS.

AND THAT GOES TO INCORPORATE, UM, TWO OF OUR REC LEADS TO HELP, UH, WITH THOSE ROOM RESERVATIONS VERSUS JUST THE ACTUAL COST FOR ONE FOR THE RECREATION FITNESS PASSES.

THIS IS A RESIDENT REQUEST.

UH, IT WAS REQUESTED THAT WE HAVE A SIX MONTH PASS TO ALLOW SOME OF OUR WINTER VISITORS TO COME IN AND UTILIZE THAT FACILITY FOR THE MONTHS IN WHICH THEY'RE HERE.

SO THIS WOULD ADD A SIX MONTH FITNESS PASS OPTION FOR ALL AGE GROUPS, TEENS, ADULT, ACTIVE ADULT AND YOUTH.

UH, AND WOULD ADD A SIX MONTH FITNESS PASS OPTION FOR MULTIPLE FAMILY SIZES.

SO A FAMILY PASS IS UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT, BUT ALSO ALLOWS FOR ADDITIONAL ADD-ON, UH, YOUTH PASSES WITH THOSE FAMILY PASSES.

FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES TENNIS CENTER, THIS IS AGAIN, EXCLUSIVE USE.

THIS WOULD CHANGE THE PER HOUR AND A HALF CHARGE IN THE MORNING, UH, IN AN INCREASE OF 50 CENTS PER

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AND THEN CHANGE, AGAIN, 50 CENTS PER PERSON CHARGE IN THE AFTERNOON.

IT'S A SLIGHTLY HIGHER RATE BECAUSE THERE ARE LIGHTS REQUIRED TO RECOUP SOME OF THOSE COSTS.

FOR CULTURAL DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE ONE CHANGE THAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING.

AND THIS IS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.

AGAIN, THIS IS COST RECOVERY, WOULD UPDATE THE TRASH CAN RENTAL FEE FROM $17 TO $20 FOR RESIDENTS, AND $23 TO $27 FOR NON-RESIDENTS.

AGAIN, THAT'S TO RECOVER THE ACTUAL COSTS OF, UH, TAKING CARE OF THOSE WASTE, UH, CANS AFTER THEY'RE BEEN, AFTER THEY'VE BEEN USED FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

UH, TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING.

THIS ONE IS A COMPLIANCE RELATED.

THIS WOULD ADD A NEW PERMIT FEE FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL AND LANE RESTRICTION PERMITS OF $315.

IT ALSO ADDS A REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT FEE FOR AUTHORIZED TEMPORARY TRAFFIC CONTROL PERMITS.

UH, DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT SIZE, THERE'S A PERCENTAGE OF THAT DEPOSIT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.

OF COURSE, THAT WOULD BE REFUNDED SHOULD THEY MEET THE TERMS OF THE PERMIT, WHICH THEY APPLIED FOR, FOR THOSE, UM, TO STREET PERMIT FEES FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THEIR FIRE INSPECTIONS.

THIS IS ALSO A COMPLIANCE ONE.

IT WOULD REMOVE THE CURRENT $40 REINSPECTION FEE AND ADD A NEW REINSPECTION FEE OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR A SECOND INSPECTION IF THE BUSINESS REMAINS NON-COMPLIANT.

SO, UH, AT FIRST INSPECTION, IF THERE ARE THREE ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE, UH, REMEDIATED AND THEY COME BACK FOR THE SECOND VISIT, SECOND INSPECTION, IF THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN TAKEN CARE OF, THERE'S NO CHARGE FOR THAT SECOND INSPECTION.

THE BUSINESS CONTINUES.

IF THE BUSINESS DID NOT REMEDIATE THOSE I ITEMS, THERE IS A CHARGE FOR THAT SECOND VISIT.

ON THE THIRD VISIT.

IT'S $150.

IF THEY STILL HAVEN'T, UM, UH, IF THEY'RE STILL NON-COMPLIANT WITH MAKING SURE THAT THEY MEET ALL OF THOSE FIRE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN $2,200 FOR ANY FOURTH OR ADDITIONAL INSPECTION IF THEY REMAIN NON-COMPLIANT.

SO THE GOAL IS TO HELP THEM, UH, GET INTO COMPLIANCE WITH OUR FIRE CODES FOR SAFETY PURPOSES FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS IN UTILITY SIDE WATER DISTRIBUTION, AGAIN, THIS IS A COST RECOVERY EFFORT.

UH, THIS WOULD CHANGE OUR REFUNDABLE HYDRANT METER DEPOSIT FROM $1,450 PER DEVICE TO $3,100 PER DEVICE.

AND THAT REFLECTS THE ACTUAL COST OF REPLACEMENT FOR THOSE METERS.

UH, WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THE HYDRANT METER DEPOSIT IN MANY YEARS AND THOSE METER COSTS HAVE GONE UP SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.

WITH THAT, THOSE ARE ALL OF THE FEE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UH, THIS ROUND, THIS, THIS FISCAL YEAR.

UH, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS? VICE MAYOR? UM, YES.

UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO, I WANNA SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THE, THE ITEMS OF COSTS THAT OUR STUDENTS WILL HAVE TO PAY.

UM, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THAT, THAT SIDE ON THE COMMUNITY SERVICES SIDE? UM, YES.

WITH, WITH WITH, UM, AS IT PERTAINS TO LIKE, UH, ENJOYING OUR AQUATIC CENTER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, LEMME SEE.

I CAN'T EVEN SEE IT.

OH, IT'S NOT SHOWING UP ON MY SCREEN.

UM, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS BECAUSE, AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS MAY END UP US HAVING TO BREAK THIS UP OR IF THIS IS EVEN GONNA MATTER BASED ON WHAT OTHER COUNCIL MAY FEEL ABOUT IT, UM, WHY ARE WE GOING UP ON, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT IS THIS A NEED THAT WE NEED TO GO UP, UM, TO CHARGE OUR RESIDENTS MORE? WHY CAN'T WE JUST, UM, KEEP OUR RESIDENTS THE SAME AND THOSE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY KIND OF COMING IN AND VISITING, YOU KNOW, CHARGE THEM A CERTAIN FEE BUT KEEP THE RESIDENTS FEE THE SAME? YEAH, SO THROUGH THE MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, UM, SPECIFIC TO AQUATICS, THIS IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE A REDUCTION TO OUR RESIDENTS.

SO THEY HAVE A DISCOUNTED PUNCH PASS, UH, BASED ON THEIR RESIDENTS HERE IN CHANDLER.

CURRENTLY, THERE'S JUST A, A PUNCH PASS YOU PREPAY FOR THOSE.

SO THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR RESIDENTS TO HAVE A DISCOUNTED PUNCH PASS FOR AQUATIC VISITATIONS, UH, WHICH IS A DISCOUNT TO THEM.

UH, THE OTHER CHARGES ARE FOR LIKE THINGS LIKE THE PAVILIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, WE DON'T FIND THAT A WHOLE LOT OF YOUTH UTILIZE THOSE.

IT'S MORE FAMILIES OR BUSINESSES THAT UTILIZE THEM.

UH, BUT THERE ARE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO ENSURE WE'RE RECOUPING THE COSTS OF HAVING STAFF GO OUT THERE, CLEAN THEM, UH, REMOVE THE, THE WASTE THAT IS USED BECAUSE OF THE USE OF THAT FACILITY SPECIFICALLY.

UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK, UM, FROM A A YOUTH PERSPECTIVE, THERE, THERE ONLY CHANGES, OTHER CHANGES WHERE THE RECREATION PASSES WHERE WE NOW HAVE A SIX MONTH PASSES AVAILABLE TO THEM INSTEAD OF A FULL 12 MONTH PASS.

SO THAT'S A KIND OF AN ENHANCEMENT TO THOSE.

YEAH, I, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE IS, IS GOING UP LIKE THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THE RENTAL FOR THE PAVILION AND THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING UP ON, WHAT'S THE REAL DIFFERENCE? LIKE, ARE WE TALKING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS?

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YEAH.

THROUGH THE MAYOR, VICE MAYOR FOR THOSE SPECIFIC SERVICES, IN TOTAL, WE WERE ABOUT $820,000 FOR ALL OF THESE FEES.

UH, COMMUNITY SERVICES SPECIFICALLY IS A MUCH SMALLER PORTION OF THAT.

AND I WOULD SAY LIKE PAVILION RENTALS AND THINGS WAS RIGHT AROUND THAT 20 TO $30,000 IMPACT TO THE, THE CITY BUDGET.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THAT THE FEE, THAT FEE RECOMMENDATION ISN'T NECESSARILY JUST TO GENERATE REVENUES, BUT IT'S TO KEEP THAT, UM, EXPENDITURE FROM A FEE RECOVERY PERSPECTIVE IN LINE WITH CURRENT ACTUAL COSTS.

OKAY.

YEAH, I JUST KIND OF, ALRIGHT.

THANK, THANK YOU.

SO LEMME ASK TWO QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT IS, I KNOW TO, TO EVEN RENT IN CHANDLER, THERE IS A, THERE IS A, I I BELIEVE, AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THERE'S, THERE IS A, A QUESTION IS, DO YOU LIVE IN CHANDLER AND THERE IS A FEE BASE THAT THERE'S ALREADY A KIND OF REDUCED BECAUSE WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT OUR CITIZENS ARE, ARE PART OF THE TAX STRUCTURE THAT BUILT THESE.

AND SO WE ACKNOWLEDGE, SO WE, WE HAVE THAT BUILT IN.

AND ALSO RELATED TO VICE MAYOR'S QUESTION, WE'RE STILL NOT CHARGING TO TEACH KIDS HOW TO SWIM, RIGHT? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ALSO RETAINED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY KID LEARNS HOW TO SWIM.

AM AM I RIGHT ON BOTH OF THOSE? YEAH.

UH, MAYOR, THE FIRST ONE, ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

UH, IN THAT WE DO HAVE A DISCOUNTED RATE FOR RESIDENTS VERSUS NON-RESIDENTS FOR THESE RENTALS OF FACILITIES.

UH, ON THE SECOND ONE, I'LL HAVE TO ASK JOHN TO ANSWER THAT 'CAUSE I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THEIR EXISTING FEES.

THEY'RE NOT ASKING TO CHANGE THAT FEE, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEIR EXISTING FEE IS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, YES, GREAT QUESTION.

THE FEES THAT WE HAVE FOR SWIM LESSONS APPROXIMATELY $15, OR IF THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL FEES, THERE'S A DIFFERENT SPREAD.

BUT WE WORK TO HAVE FREE LESSONS, A NUMBER OF THEM AVAILABLE, AS WELL AS THOSE LOW COSTS.

SO THERE, THIS ACTION DOES NOT INCREASE THE COSTS THAT WE'VE HAD.

SO WE HEAVILY SUBSIDIZE THE COST FOR SWIM LESSONS, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A PROPOSED INCREASE OF THOSE FEES ANYWHERE FROM $15 FOR TWO WEEKS OF LESSONS, UH, TO UP TO PRIVATE LESSONS AS WELL.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IS, I MEAN, IF I COULD AND I HAVE AFFORDED TO PAY FOR MY KIDS' SWIMMING LESSONS, I DID, BUT I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IN OUR CITY THAT THERE IS NO AT LEAST INDUCED BECAUSE OF FEES OR COSTS EXCUSE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR A CHILD NOT LEARNING TO SWIM IF, AS, AS WHILE IT'S ON OUR WATCH ANYWAY.

SO THANK YOU.

I SAW ON THIS SIDE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UM, SO THE FEES FOR LIGHTS FOR BALL FIELDS, THAT DOESN'T GO UP.

I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN HERE.

I SAW WHAT OUT LIGHTS.

THE FOR LIGHTS STAY THE SAME.

RIGHT? IT WAS THE TENNIS THAT HAD JUST FOR THE LIGHTS FOR THE TENNIS AREA FOR THIS.

THAT'S IT.

SO CORRECT.

AND NOT THE BALL FIELDS.

YEP.

MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, UH, BALLFIELD LIGHTS ARE STILL HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED FOR THOSE COSTS.

WE DO HAVE INCREASED, UH, ELECTRICITY OVER THE YEARS, UH, BUT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT AND, UH, LOOK TO KEEP THOSE AS AFFORDABLE AS POSSIBLE.

GOOD.

ALL RIGHT.

YOU HEARD THAT LUANN? .

ALRIGHT.

UM, SO FOLLOW UP THE, UM, THE TRAFFIC CONTROL LANE AND RESTRICTION PERMITS.

THIS IS SOMETHING NEW.

UM, AND I BELIEVE, UH, AND JOHN AROUND, YEAH, JOHN'S HERE.

SO, UM, THIS ONE HERE, I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A EXPLANATION OF WHAT WE DID HERE.

'CAUSE I KNOW COUNCIL AND MAYOR, I'M SORRY, WHO'S OVER, OVER THE YEARS, UH, OVER THE LAST YEAR ESPECIALLY, I'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS, CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC CONTROL LANES, THE CONES BEING LEFT UP, NO ONE'S WORKING THERE.

UM, AND IT WAS JUST DRIVING, INCLUDING ME CRAZY THAT I'M HERE, I'M DRIVING THROUGH THIS, THIS LANE, AND, UM, THERE'S NO ONE THERE.

SO I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

'CAUSE I THINK THAT ONE HERE IS PROBABLY THE MOST, UH, IMPORTANT ONE THAT AFFECTS CITIZENS' DAILY LIVES.

THANK YOU.

THROUGH THE MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.

THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT.

THIS IS, IS ABSOLUTELY IN RESPONSE TO SOME COMPLAINTS THAT WE'VE GIVEN THAT YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD AS WELL, UM, THAT WE'VE GOTTEN OVER, I MEAN, THE PAST COUPLE YEARS.

UM, AND SPECIFICALLY RECENTLY, IT'S TO ENCOURAGE COMPLIANCE AND IT'S TO ASSIST IN, YOU KNOW, RESOLVING THIS ISSUE AS BEST WE CAN WITHOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING OVERBOARD.

THIS, THIS SHOULD TAKE CARE OF, AGAIN, COST RECOVERY OF OUR TIME FOR REVIEW, FOR INSPECTION, UM, AND THEN ALSO TO INCENTIVIZE FOLKS TO GET IN THERE, DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, DO SO SAFELY, AND THEN, AND THEN HOPEFULLY GET OUT OF THE ROADWAY SO THAT IT CAN BE BACK OPEN TO TRAVELING PUBLIC.

WELL THAT'S GREAT.

I IT, AND IT MUST BE WORKING BECAUSE I WAS TELLING THE CITY MANAGER THE OTHER DAY, I

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SO THIS IS GOOD.

THIS IS, I THINK THE WORD'S GOTTEN OUT, COUNCIL MEMBER THAT THIS IS COMING.

GOOD.

SO HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO PAY ATTENTION.

GOOD.

BECAUSE I KNOW, UH, IT, IT JUST FRUSTRATES ME AND I'M LOAD THOSE RESIDENTS AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS ONE FORWARD.

MM-HMM.

.

.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR JOHN.

UM, CURRENTLY, I KNOW WE HAVE A WIDE SPECTRUM OF DIFFERENT FEES IN HERE, BUT I'M JUST HONING IN ON SWIM, RECREATION, PARKS, UM, FIELDS.

WHERE DO WE CURRENTLY STAND RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES WITH OUR PRICING? ARE WE LIKE THE LOWEST SECOND LOWEST MEDIAN AND EVERYWHERE IN BETWEEN ? YES.

OUR COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, IN CNS, UH, SPECIFICALLY WITH SPECIFICALLY YOU HAD A BUNCH THERE.

UM, MORE PARTS, RECREATION PAVILIONS.

SO AS WE LOOK AND WE HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE, THE FEE, THE DOWNLOAD OF THE COMPARISONS AS WELL.

WE'RE SORT OF ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT WE HAVE TENDED TRENDED TO BE IN THE MIDDLE WHEN WE COMPARE TO THE QUEEN CREEK AND THE MACES AND THE GILBERTS, UH, IN THE MIDDLE.

AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT IT IS APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON.

MM-HMM.

.

SO WE STRIVE AND WE PUT THESE TOGETHER TO BE VERY MUCH COMPETITIVE AND MIDDLE TO LOWER WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

SO WE USE THAT AS PART OF THE ANALYSIS, BUT IT IS NOT APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON.

SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY WE'RE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

YEAH.

A SPECIFIC CATEGORY.

OKAY.

I JUST WANTED AN INTERPRETATION OF THAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.

OH, COUNCIL MEMBER POSTED.

UM, IN MOST OF THESE CASES, CAN YOU JUST TELL ME HOW CLOSE THE COST TO OUR RESIDENCE IS? TO THE COST OF THE SERVICE? ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY TIMES OR AREAS IN WHICH WE WOULD BE CHARGING THEM MORE OR WE JUST CHARGING THEM WHAT OUR COST IS AT IN ALL CASES OR MOST CASES? YEAH, SO THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER, I THINK IN MOST CASES WE ARE NOT RECOVERING FULL COST.

UM, I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S RARE TO RECOVER FULL COST.

MM-HMM.

, UM, SPECIFICALLY ON THESE FEE CHANGES, UM, MAYBE THE BALL FIELD PREP WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO FULL COST.

UM, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM, THEY'RE STILL SUBSIDIZED THROUGH TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

OKAY.

THAT METER, OH, HYDRANT METER WOULD BE FULL COST? YES.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

FULL COST, BUT IT'S REFUNDABLE IF THEY RETURN THE HYDRANT METER DAMAGE.

SO WE ARE STILL SUBSIDIZING SOME OF THESE COSTS.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU CUTS MEMBER STUART.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANKS FOR THE WORK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AND YOUR TEAM HAS DONE ON THESE FEES.

AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THAT TO TRY TO GET THESE ALL ALIGNED.

AND THERE'S A LOT HERE.

YOU KNOW, UM, I I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT I HAVE IS THE SPORTS AND REC, RIGHT? THE, THE CULTURAL OR THE COMMUNITY SERVICE FEES INCREASES, RIGHT? I THINK WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FEES THAT LITTLE LEAGUE TEAMS PAY AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS AT THE TENNIS CENTER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND WE ALREADY PAY TAXES FOR ALL THOSE THINGS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN LIGHT OF THAT, I, I I MOVED THAT WE, UM, THAT WE, EXCUSE ME, I, UH, I MOVE THAT WE AMEND THE MOTION TO MAINTAIN OUR PARKS AND RECREATION FEES AT THE CURRENT LEVELS FOR 2025 AND ENSURE ANY ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THAT ENHANCE AFFORDABILITY, WHICH YOU HAVE SOME OF THOSE ON HERE.

FOR THOSE RESIDENTS, THAT REMAINS UNCHANGED.

UH, CONSIDERING WE HAVE A $16 MILLION SURPLUS, IT'S ESSENTIAL THAT WE SUPPORT MEASURES THAT KEEP OUR SERVICES ACCESSIBLE AND AFFORDABLE.

THIS APPROACH WILL ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO OFFER THESE VALUABLE COMMUNITY SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT ADDED FINANCIAL BURDENS, REFLECTING OUR COMMITMENT TO SUPPORTING OUR RESIDENTS DURING CHALLENGING TIMES AND RESPONSIBLY MANAGING OUR BUDGET.

SECOND, SO THERE IS A, A MOTION AND A SECOND, UM, MAYOR.

OKAY.

CAN WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE MOTION IS HERE? I DON'T QUITE, UM, I THINK THE MOST, TO ME THAT IS I CAN, THIS WOULD DELAY IT, BUT I, 'CAUSE I I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE DETAILS OF WHAT, OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, BUT I DON'T MIND BRINGING IT TO A VOTE AND SEEING IF YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH VOTES TO PASS.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO CLARIFY? YEAH, PLEASE DO.

PLEASE.

HOLDING THE CULTURAL SERVICES FEES THE WAY THEY ARE, UNLESS THERE WAS SOMETHING IN HERE THAT ENHANCES AFFORDABILITY.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE SIX MONTH PASS, THERE WAS A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT MADE IT MORE AFFORDABLE.

SO, UM, SO AMENDING AMENDING THIS MOTION TO HOLD THE FEES THE SAME FOR 2025, UNLESS THERE WAS SOMETHING IN HERE THAT IMPROVED THE AFFORDABILITY AND KEEPING THAT IN.

SO, JUST TO CLARIFY, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GO, THAT'S MEMBER ORLANDO.

I THINK I, I HAD, YEAH.

SO FOR INSTANCE, THE RECREATION FACILITY FEES, MULTIPURPOSE ROOM, UH, OR JUST THE COMMUNITY SERVICES

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ALL OF THESE FEES? NOPE.

ALL THE COMMUNITY SERVICE FEES STARTING WITH THE POOLS, THE PAVILIONS.

SO IF YOU LOOK DOWN THE, YOU'RE ON THE SAME THING I'M ON.

OKAY.

SO RECREATION, FACILITIES, RECREATION, FITNESS PASSES, COMMUNITY SERVICES AND THAT, THAT'S IT.

MISSPOKE WHEN I SAID CULTURAL DEVELOPMENT.

OKAY.

I WAS ALL, ALL COMMUNITY SERVICES, ALL ANYTHING ELSE? THIS IS GOOD.

SO FROM THE TENNIS.

OKAY.

SO JUST A GOOD CLARIFICATION, MAYOR HERE.

THE COMMUNITY SERVICES AQUATICS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE TENNIS COURTS.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS.

THANK YOU.

I WAS NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS WAS ALREADY DONE.

WE, I WAS PART OF THE COMMITTEE THAT WE DID.

WE SAT DOWN, WE WENT THROUGH ALL THIS AND WE SENT STAFF TO WORK ON IT.

THEY CAME BACK TO US WITH INFORMATION.

WE HASHED THIS THING OUT.

WE GAVE THEM MORE INSTRUCTION AND THEY EXPLAINED TO US ALL, I MEAN, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO WAS ALSO PART OF THAT.

WE, WE MADE SURE THAT OUR, OUR RESIDENTS WERE TAKEN CARE OF.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH, CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.

AND ALSO TRYING TO FIND A WAY THAT WE CAN KEEP THEM AFFORDABLE BECAUSE OF INFLATION.

AS WE SAID CONSTANTLY.

THE CITY ALSO HAS SEEN INFLATION.

I AM NOT SAYING THAT, UH, THIS MOTION IS NOT APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE'VE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS RIGHT NOW, UM, PRIOR TO THIS COMING.

THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME WE'RE SEEN THIS.

IT, IT HAS BEEN SOMETHING WE HASH OUT WITH STAFF AND CONTINUALLY, UM, DONE IT IN THE PAST.

SO, UM, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE THIS WAS PRESENTED TO ME IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS PRIOR, AND I WAS OKAY WITH IT.

AND, UM, LET'S CONTINUE TO GO WITH THE MOTION.

THANKS, MAYOR.

YEAH.

UM, I, THE REASON WHY I AGREE WITH THE MOTION THAT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART BROUGHT FORTH IS BECAUSE I FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

AGAIN, WE'RE NOT, I'M THINKING ABOUT MY SENIORS.

I'M THINKING ABOUT MY VETERANS.

I'M THINKING ABOUT MY YOUTH, MY STUDENTS.

I'M THINKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO COMMONLY USE THESE FACILITIES.

WE'RE TALKING OVERALL $800,000.

BUT WHEN WE SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY SERVICE, THIS IS DIRECTLY IMPACTING THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.

AND THAT'S WHAT, UM, THAT'S WHAT MY COLLEAGUE STEWART IS TRYING TO SHARE WITH OUR COLLEAGUES HERE, IS THAT THESE, THESE SPECIFIC FEES IMPACT THE QUALITY OF LI LIFE OF OUR RESIDENTS WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE INCREASES.

UH, WE DO HAVE, UM, AND, UM, HE BROUGHT IT TO LIFE.

WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, MONEY THAT IS INSIDE OF OUR, UM, RESERVOIR MONEY WE CAN GO AND, AND, AND OVERALL, BASED ON WHAT YOU EVEN SHARED, THIS TOTAL, TOTAL AMOUNT IS $800,000.

BUT WE'RE NOT.

UM, BUT MY COLLEAGUE IS NOT SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE ENTIRE THING, WHICH SOME THINGS IS JUST PASSING ALONG, BUT THESE COMMUNITY SERVICE FEES IS QUALITY OF LIFE.

I FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE EVEN WITH, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY NOT BE PAYING THE FULL PRICE, I FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE INCREASING FEES TO OUR RESIDENTS, UM, THAT'S BEING SUBSIDIZED.

UM, UM, AND I THINK THAT IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THESE COMMUNITY SERVICE FEES, AND I'M LOOKING AT, I'M LOOKING AT THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM, I'M LOOKING AT THE BALL FIELDS, I'M LOOKING AT FIELD PREPARATION, I'M THINKING ABOUT SITE SUPERVISOR, MULTIPURPOSE ROOM, I MEAN, LIKE FITNESS PASSES, TENNIS COURTS ON DOWN IN AQUATIC CENTER.

OUR, OUR, OUR SENIORS MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD ANYTHING THAT IMPACTS THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS.

AND I JUST KIND OF THINK THAT THIS, I'M OKAY WITH THE BOTTOM PART.

I'M JUST NOT OKAY WITH THE TOP PART OF IT.

AND I THINK THAT OUR, THAT WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER, WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT IT, BUT I JUST THINK THAT THIS SHOULD NOT, WE SHOULD CONSIDER OUR VOTE.

UM, THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE FEES REMAIN THIS, WELL, THE MOTIONS ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW, IF THE FEES REMAIN THE SAME FOR THE COMMUNITY SERVICE, EVERYTHING THAT'S CONNECTED TO THE COMMUNITY SERVICE THAT IT SHOULD REMAIN THE SAME.

UH, I'M LOOKING AT THE MEMO INSIDE OF OUR, UH, I'M LOOKING AT THE MEMO THAT'S INSIDE OF THE ATTACHED, UH, UNDERNEATH THE ATTACHED ITEM INSIDE THE MEMO.

AND I'M LOOKING AT ALL THESE ITEMS THAT'S MENTIONED AS COMMUNITY SERVICE THAT WE LEAVE THOSE FEES THE SAME.

I'M OKAY WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD.

YEAH.

SO MATT, WHAT KIND OF OUTREACH HAVE WE DONE? I KNOW THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO BREAK EVEN AND HAVE THE VOICE OF OUR COMMUNITY, BUT HOW HAVE WE ALSO COMMUNICATED, UM, THESE THINGS BEYOND THIS ROOM? UH, YEAH, MAYOR, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I, I WOULD SAY THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNICATION THAT I'M AWARE OF HAS BEEN THROUGH, UM, SUBCOMMITTEES FOR THROUGH MAYOR AND COUNCIL WORK SESSIONS

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UH, FOR THE OTHERS, I'M NOT AWARE OF WHAT OTHER OUTREACH THOSE DEPARTMENTS HAVE DONE FOR THOSE RECOMMENDED CHANGES.

UH, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I'M AWARE OF.

YEAH.

AND WITH THE, WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE, WERE, UH, WERE ANY OF THESE CONCERNS SHARED AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME OR WERE THERE ANY OF THESE BROUGHT UP WITH, UH, THE PARKS AND REC OR ANY OF THE OTHER GROUPS CONCERNING PRICE INCREASES OR THESE TYPES OF THINGS TO RECOVER COST MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UH, IN ADDITION TO, AND SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE AQUATICS, WE WORKED WITH A NUMBER OF THE TEAMS. WE WORKED THROUGH THE CYSA PROGRAM AS WELL WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF THE DIFFERENT GROUPS TO ADDRESS THESE.

AND IT'S BEEN GOOD 18 MONTHS NOW THAT THESE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN HAD AND NOT NONE OF THE ACTION HAS HAPPENED.

SO, UH, AS FAR AS THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE PUT INTO PLACE, THERE ARE NOMINAL INCREASES IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THE OFFSET OF THE SUBSIDY.

WE'VE SEEN SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN COSTS WITH STAFF.

WE'VE SEEN SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN COSTS WITH SUPPLIES.

WE'VE SEEN SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN USAGE IN OTHER AREAS.

AND WE BELIEVE WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT IN WHAT WE'VE PUT FORWARD THAT THESE ARE NOMINAL INCREASES.

DEFINITELY INCREASES.

I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT IN RECOGNIZING THE VALUE THAT WE PROVIDE.

UH, BUT THESE ARE, UM, WE'VE DONE EXTENSIVE REACH OUTREACH TO, UH, THE USER GROUPS AS WELL.

UH, I SENSE THAT THESE ARE ACCEPTABLE FOR MANY FOLKS WHERE WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SWIM FREE SWIM, OTHER AREAS, UH, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCOUNTS FOR CYSA 50% ON TOP OF THESE FEES THAT ARE PROPOSED HERE.

SO WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB AT COMMUNICATING WITH OUR USER GROUPS AND, UM, I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE COMMUNICATION, UH, BUT TO TAKE ACTION, UH, THIS IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD.

YEAH.

OKAY.

UM, I'LL GO BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS.

THANK YOU.

I WAS A MEMBER OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND WE MADE ACCOMMODATION.

WE HASHED THIS THING OUT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

AND AS YOU HEARD, IT'S 18 MONTHS THAT HE'S WALKING AWAY FROM ME, , I'M TELLING, AND I'M FOLLOWING HIM TALKING TO A BRIDGE.

SO WHY AM I SITTING ON A SUBCOMMITTEE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF IS WORKING ON FOR ME TO GO ON THE DI AND IT APPEARS THAT IT HAS NEVER BEEN TALKED ABOUT? YEAH.

SO IF WE HAD MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AND IF WE NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING, I UNDERSTAND THAT AT THIS POINT WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO VOTE ON THAT MOTION.

BUT MY WORK IS VALUABLE ON THAT COMMITTEE.

I HAVE SAT ON THAT COMMITTEE FOR DAYS.

I TAKE MY TIME AND I COME AND SIT ON IT OUTSIDE OF COUNCIL MEETINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

I WOULD LOVE FORWARD TO BE APPRECIATED.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS THE QUESTION HERE.

I I THINK EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT DOES NOT SIT ON THAT COMMITTEE CERTAINLY HAS AND SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO VOICE NOT JUST THE THREE.

BUT I THINK WE COULD KEEP GOING.

I'M, I'M GONNA CALL THE QUESTION AND SO THAT WE'LL VOTE ON THIS.

I JUST CHECKED WITH THE ATTORNEY AND SHE SAID ANYONE CAN.

YEAH.

SO I, I THINK WHEN I CALL THE QUESTION THAT KIND OF BRINGS US TO A VOTE, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID.

I'M CALLING THE QUESTION, WHICH BRINGS US TO A VOTE.

SO WE'RE VOTING YES ON COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART'S, UM, SUGGESTED AMENDMENT.

AND IF IT PASSES, THEN IT GOES.

IF IT DOES NOT, THEN THAT BRINGS US BACK TO THE ITEM ON AS IT IS WRITTEN.

SO COUNCIL, PLEASE VOTE ON COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART'S AMENDMENT HERE TO, UM, UH, TO BASICALLY HOLD, UH, TO FREEZE SOME OF THE PRICES, UH, THAT WERE RELATED TO RECREATION AND, AND PLACES.

NO, WAIT A SECOND.

YEAH.

MOTION FAILS.

UM, TWO TO THREE OR TWO TO FIVE.

I'M SORRY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, COUNCIL, THAT BRINGS US BACK TO MAYOR.

SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

MAYOR, IF I COULD ACTUALLY MAKE SOME COMMENTS, PLEASE.

I THINK THEY'RE STILL RELEVANT TO THE, I'M SORRY.

I THINK THEY'RE STILL RELEVANT ACTUALLY.

UM, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, THAT I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE OF US UP HERE TRULY WANT TO RAISE FEES ON OUR RESIDENTS IF WE DON'T HAVE TO.

UM, AND THAT I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK.

I SAT ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE AS WELL AND SAT THROUGH QUITE A FEW MEETINGS.

AND I KNOW THAT

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AND REALLY THE FACT THAT YOU TOOK WHAT WE SAID VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY AND WHEN IT WAS AN ITEM THAT IS TYPICALLY AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC USE, LIKE A PAVILION IN A PARK THAT NORMALLY I CAN GO AND SIT WITH MY FAMILY AT, BUT THAT'S BEEN TAKEN OUTTA SERVICE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE WHO'S PUT THEIR TAX DOLLARS INTO THAT AND USE FOR A PRIVATE EVENT OR A BUSINESS EVENT.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE CHARGING THAT FEE.

AND SO THE IDEA THAT WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON THOSE PRIVATE USES THE BUSINESS USES WHEN IT, WHEN THE ENJOYMENT OF THE FACILITY OR THE ITEM IS BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM EVERYBODY ELSE.

I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT WENT INTO THAT WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THIS.

IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THAT WAS TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY WHEN WE SAID THAT.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, I DO SUPPORT THIS.

I CERTAINLY LIKE THE FACT NOT LIKE IT, I DON'T WANNA SAY I'M GONNA LIKE RAISING FEES ON ANYONE, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS RAISING OUR FEES INCREMENTALLY WHERE WE DON'T END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE KICKED THIS DOWN, THE CAN, THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD TO ANOTHER COUNCIL.

AND THAT FEE IS NOW A HUGE INCREASE AS WE TRY AND MAKE UP THINGS.

THESE ARE SMALL INCREMENTAL FEES.

I APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL.

SO, UM, THANK YOU.

WELL SAID.

MAYOR, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR A MOTION WOULD BE IN ORDER, BUT, UH, VICE MAYOR.

YEAH.

UM, AGAIN, I, I APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUES WHO'S HERE THIS TALKING, AS WE TALK ABOUT THE FEES, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT EVERY SINGLE FEE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC FEES THAT RELATES TO OUR RESIDENTS, UM, OUR RESIDENTS THAT IS HERE.

UM, THERE SHOULD BE NO NEW FEES.

THEY ALREADY PAYING ENOUGH WHEN THEY GO TO THE GAS STATION AND WHEN THEY PAY THEIR PROPERTY TAXES, AND WHEN THEY DO ALL THESE OTHER DIFFERENT TYPES OF MOVEMENTS AROUND OUR CITY, UM, SOME OF THOSE FEES COME BACK TO THE CITY OF CHANDLER.

AND YES, IT MAY BE A SUBSIDIZING, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO HELP MY COLLEAGUES UNDERSTAND IS THAT I'M NOT, UH, SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A RESIDENT AND WE'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE, WHEN I TALK TO SENIORS AND THEIR MONEY HAS NOT MOVED UP WHEN I'M TALKING TO OTHER FAMILIES THAT'S IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THEIR MONEY HAS NOT WENT UP AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING FEES, WE'RE NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I DON'T APPRECIATE WHAT STAFF HAS DONE IN TERMS OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE FEES ARE REASONABLE AND THAT THEY ARE NOMINAL.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT.

WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT OUR RESIDENTS WHO LIVES HERE, WHO HAS A QUALITY OF LIFE EXPECTATION FROM WHERE THEIR TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING, UM, WE HAVE A REASONABLE RESPONSIBILITY TO ADHERE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR TAX PAYERS ARE NOT PAYING ADDITIONAL DOLLARS, EVEN IF IT IS NOMINAL.