Sep 18, 2024 Planning & Zoning Meeting - 09/18/2024

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GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RIGOR MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2024.

CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRMAN MANN HERE.

VICE CHAIR KOAL.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER QUINN? HERE.

COMMISSIONER BAR KELLO.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER LOPEZ.

COMMISSIONER GOLA HERE.

COMMISSIONER SCHWARTZER HERE.

WE HAVE CORAM.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER LOPEZ DID CALL US SAY HE WASN'T GONNA BE HERE.

UM, BEFORE THIS MEETING, WE HAD A CONSENT AGENDA, UM, WHERE WE WENT OVER THE ITEMS, UH, OTHER THAN ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS GONNA BE FOR A FULL HEARING, UM, STAFF.

THERE WAS ONE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION, I BELIEVE FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

IF YOU CAN READ THAT INTO THE RECORD, I'D APPRECIATE THAT 50% OF THE TREES PLANTED ALONG THE ARTERIAL STREET SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF 36 INCH BOX AND BE A MINIMUM OF 12 FEET IN HEIGHT AT THE TIME OF PLANTING.

THANK YOU.

I ALSO REMISS THAT WE DIDN'T DO THE PLEDGE, SO IF THE VICE CHAIR COULD LEAVE US, LEAVE US IN THE PLEDGE.

APPRECIATE THAT.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[ Unscheduled Public Appearances Members of the audience may address any item not on the agenda. State Statute prohibits the Board or Commission from discussing an item that is not on the agenda, but the Board or Commission does listen to your concerns and has staff follow up on any questions you raise.]

IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ANSWERED ON ANY OF THE ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER TWO.

OKAY, I SEE NONE.

WHAT'S THE COMMISSION'S PLEASURE, UH,

[ Consent Agenda Items listed on the Consent Agenda may be enacted by one motion and one vote. If a discussion is required by members of the Board or Commission, the item will be removed from the Consent Agenda for discussion and determination will be made if the item will be considered separately.]

I, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDAS ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN, EXCEPT NUMBER TWO WITH THE ADDED STIPULATION AS READ IN BY STAFF ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WILL BE VOTING NO ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ARCHITECTURE.

THAT'S MORE TO DO WITH THE LAND USE.

I'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT OVER MY YEARS OF BEING ON COUNCIL AND COMMISSION THAT I DON'T THINK THIS IS A GREAT USE FOR A MAJOR CORNER.

SO, WITH THAT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, ITEM

[2. Rezoning and Preliminary Development Plan, PLH24-0023 The District Downtown, located at the Northwest corner of Arizona Avenue and the SanTan 202 Freeway Rezoning Move Planning and Zoning Commission recommend approval of Rezoning PLH24-0023 The District Downtown, Rezoning from Planned Area Development (PAD) for mixed used development including multi-family, office, and commercial uses as permitted under Community Commercial (C-2) to PAD for mixed uses including multi-family, office, commercial uses permitted under the Community Commercial District (C-2) and automobile and truck sales with a Mid-Rise Overlay allowing for heights up to 120 feet, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning staff. Preliminary Development Plan Move Planning and Zoning Commission recommend approval of Preliminary Development Plan PLH24-0023 The District Downtown for site layout and conceptual building architecture, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning staff.]

LAUREN, YOU'RE UP FOR THIS ONE.

LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET IT TO WORK.

YEAH, WELL YOU SEEM TO BE THE ONE THAT WAS FIXING 'EM EARLIER, SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S, YOU GOT IT.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSION, UH, ACTION ITEM ITEM NUMBER TWO, PLH 24 23.

THE DISTRICT DOWNTOWN, UH, THE SUBJECT SITE, IT'S LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF ARIZONA AVENUE IN THE SAN TAN 2 0 2 FREEWAY.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 44.7 ACRES LARGE.

BEFORE I GET INTO THE REQUEST, I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH THE BACKGROUND OF THE PROPERTY.

THE PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED IN 1987.

IT WAS ZONED FROM AG ONE TO PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT OF OFFICE, RETAIL, HOTEL, AND MULTIFAMILY.

UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN, THE MULTIFAMILY ON THE FAR LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN IS THE EXISTING MULTIFAMILY THAT BUILT, UH, WHEN THAT BUILT IN 2000.

THE PROPERTY VESTED, UH, THE SITE PLAN BEFORE YOU SHOWS A MIX OF, UH, RETAIL WITH RESIDENTIAL AT THE IMMEDIATE CORNER OFFICE BUILDINGS IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN ALONG THE SAN TAN 2 0 2 FREEWAY, A CONVENTION CENTER WITH HOTEL AND OFFICE.

FAST FORWARD TO 2007, THE DEVELOPER CAME AND REQUESTED TO REZONE THE PROPERTY AGAIN, ALLOWING FOR MIXED JUICES WITH A MIX OF, UH, OFFICE, RETAIL AND HOTEL.

AT THIS TIME.

IN 2007, A MID-RISE OVERLAY WAS REQUESTED OVER THE ENTIRE PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR BUILDINGS UP TO 120 FEET, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR MID-RISE OVERLAY, UH, POLICY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S ADJACENT TO A FREEWAY.

UNDER THIS

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UH, THERE WAS A PHASING PLAN.

EVERY, UH, EVERY BUILDING NOT INDICATED ON THE SITE PLAN BEFORE YOU WAS TO BE DEVELOPED.

UNDER PHASE ONE, THE FOLLOWING PHASES, PHASE TWO WOULD BE THE PROPERTIES INDICATED IN YELLOW, AND THEN PHASE THREE WOULD BE A FUTURE HOTEL IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY, UH, AS WELL AS THE THE RED, UH, PROPERTY INDICATED ALONG THE WEST PROPERTY LINE.

IN 2010, THERE WAS A TIME EXTENSION APPROVED TO CONTINUE, UH, TO EXTEND THE ZONING.

NEXT IN 2012, UH, THERE WAS AN OR A REVISION TO THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THEY WEREN'T CHANGING ANY OF THE LAND USES, BUT THEY WANTED TO TO REVISE THE SITE PLAN.

UH, IF WE LOOK AT THE PREVIOUS PLAN, UH, THEY RELOCATED THE PARKING GARAGE TO BE MORE CENTRAL WITHIN THE, IN THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THEY MOVED THE HOTEL CLOSER TO ARIZONA AVENUE.

AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.

UH, THEY WERE PROPOSING A SEVEN STORY HOTEL.

WITHIN THIS PDP, THERE WAS A PHASING PLAN.

THE FIRST PHASE STATED THAT 12,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING MUST OCCUR UNDER PHASE TWO.

NO MORE THAN FOUR PADS COULD BE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE FIRST OFFICE BUILDING BEING CONSTRUCTED.

AND THEN FOR THE LAST PHASE, IT SAID NO MORE THAN SIX PADS TO BE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO EITHER A SECOND OFFICE BUILDING BEING CONSTRUCTED, OR THE HOTEL OF MOST RECENT.

UH, IN NOVEMBER OF 2022, UH, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, AMENDED THE ZONING TO ALLOW FOR MIXED USE, AGAIN, ALLOWING FOR OFFICE COMMERCIAL, AS WELL AS ADDING A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO MAKE IT A TRUE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

IT PROVIDED, UH, A A COUPLE OF PARCELS OF MULTIFAMILY OFFICES, MIXED USE BUILDINGS, COMMERCIAL, A HOTEL, AND A, A PARKING GARAGE.

UNDER THIS REQUEST, THEY, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO REDUCE THE SETBACKS TO 30 FEET, 30 FEET FROM THE REQUIRED 50 FOOT REQUIREMENT ALONG ARIZONA AVENUE AND PECOS ROAD.

THIS WAS APPROVED, THERE WERE SOME PHASING PLANS WITH IT.

UH, THE SITE PLAN BEFORE YOU, UH, ANTICIPATED UNDER PHASE ONE WOULD BE THE MOST WESTERN PARCEL OF MULTIFAMILY WOULD DEVELOP WITH THE TWO OFFICES IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, STIPULATIONS WERE ADDED, UH, AT PLANNING AND ZONING.

COMMISSION STATING, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT MUST OCCUR BEFORE ANY MULTIFAMILY ON THE FIRST PHASE BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE WAS ADDED STATING THAT A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION FOR THE OFFICE BUILDINGS MUST OCCUR BEFORE OR AT THE SAME TIME BEFORE PARCEL FIVE COULD DEVELOP AS MULTIFAMILY.

THE OTHER STIPULATION THAT WAS ADDED AT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WAS ALL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO ARIZONA AVENUE, EXCLUDING THE MIXED USE BUILDING MUST OCCUR PRIOR TO THE SECOND PHASE OF MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, UH, BEFORE COUNSEL.

ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE WAS ADDED STATING A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION FOR THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY MUST OCCUR BEFORE A PERMIT COULD BE PULLED FOR THE MULTIFAMILY.

SO WE COME BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH A REQUEST.

THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT OR REZONE FROM PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT FOR MIXED USES, INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY OFFICE COMMERCIAL USES AS PERMITTED UNDER COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL C TWO TYPE USES TO REZONE IT TO PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY OFFICE COMMERCIAL USES AS PERMITTED UNDER THE C TWO TYPE USES AND AUTOMOTIVE AND TRUCK SALES.

THE PROPERTY CONTINUES TO REQUEST A MIDRISE OVERLAY ALLOWING FOR BUILDINGS UP TO 120 FEET.

AS WELL AS, UH, THERE'S A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR SITE LAYOUT AND CONCEPTUAL BUILDING ARCHITECTURE.

THAT WAS A LOT TO READ.

SO LET ME BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU.

UH, SO ON THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN, THERE'S THE 2022 APPROVED PLAN.

AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU SEE THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TODAY TO WALK YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE CHANGES ON THE CURRENT PROPOSAL.

THE MULTIFAMILY ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE IS REQUESTING TO, UM,

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UH, OTHER CHANGES, UH, WERE, UH, OTHER CHANGES INCLUDED THE ALIGNMENT OF THE INNER STREETS WITHIN THE PROPERTY.

PREVIOUSLY IT WAS VERY LINEAR, WHERE NOW WE HAVE A VAL LINEAR YOUR ROAD COMING FROM A SIGNAL FROM ARIZONA AVENUE COMING INTO A FOCAL OPEN SPACE PART, UH, WHICH WOULD SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN.

UH, THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A BREAKDOWN.

THERE'S STILL PROPOSING TWO MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.

UH, THERE'S NOT A REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF UNITS, HOWEVER, THERE IS, UM, THE SURFACE PARKED DEVELOPMENT HAS REDUCED THE DENSITY.

PREVIOUSLY IT WAS 44 UNITS PER ACRE, UH, PER THE CURRENT REQUEST, IT'S 33 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OUT THERE DIRECTLY TO THE WEST IS A SURFACE PARKED THREE STORY MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AS WELL AS IN THE NEW PLAN.

UM, THERE'S A REDUCTION IN OFFICE.

UH, THE OFFICE HAS BEEN RELOCATED TO THE NORTH ALONG PECOS ROAD, UH, TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS, WHICH COULD ALSO ALLOW FOR MEDICAL OFFICE IF PARKING PERMITS.

UH, WE DO HAVE COMMERCIAL AT THE, THE CORNER OF PECOS AND ARIZONA AVENUE AND TWO HOTELS.

UH, THE OTHER PART OF THE REQUEST IS, IS TO CHANGE OUT, UH, A PORTION OF THE COMMERCIAL TO ALLOW FOR AUTOMOTIVE, UH, SALES TRUCKS AND SALES.

UM, A ZONING STIPULATION WAS ADDED TO, UH, PERMIT ONLY FOR FRANCHISE DEALERSHIPS.

UH, IT IS A COMPATIBLE LAND USE AS IT'S ADJACENT TO A FREEWAY.

UM, SO IT COULD BE CONSIDERABLE AS WELL AS, UH, THE PROPOSED PHASING PLAN, UM, UNDER YOUR, ONCE A PERMIT IS PULLED FOR ANY OF THE BUILDING, UH, ANY OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, INITIALLY ALL LANDSCAPING ALONG ARIZONA AVENUE AND PECOS ROAD WOULD BE REQUIRED AS WELL AS THE, UH, INTERNAL ROAD WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.

UNDER THE NEXT PHASE, IT COULD BE A, A COMBINATION OF THE MULTIFAMILY ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, THE COMMERCIAL AT THE IMMEDIATE CORNER, AND ONE OF THE TWO HOTELS.

UH, AS FOR FUTURE PHASES, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, UH, FUTURE PHASES OR THAT THE PREVIOUS STIPULATIONS BE REMOVED AND THAT FUTURE PHASES OCCUR AS THE MARKET DEMANDS.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THE SECOND PHASE OF MULTIFAMILY, THE GARAGE WRAP DEVELOPMENT AT THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY WOULD REQUIRE A SEPARATE PDP TO COME BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

AND THE CITY COUNCIL STAFF WILL BE REVIEWING ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENTS ADMINISTRATIVELY MEETING, UH, A HIGH QUALITY OF DESIGN OF EXHIBITS SHOWN WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET, AS WELL AS ENSURING THAT ALL OF THE USES ARE, ARE CONNECTED, UH, THROUGH PEDESTRIAN, UH, TREE, UH, TREE LINED, UH, SIDEWALKS.

JUST TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THOSE EXAMPLES, HERE ARE SOME OF THE OFFICES THAT COULD OCCUR.

UH, YOU SEE, UH, A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF GLAZING USED WITH, UH, STEEL AND COLUMNS AND, UM, LANDSCAPING USED.

THE, THE, THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE WOULD CARRY OVER TO THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, STILL USING THAT BRICK AND THE STEEL AND THE EXAGGERATED PARAPETS.

UH, AS FOR THE SURFACE WRAPPED MULTIFAMILY, UH, STILL CARRYING IN LINE WITH THE SAME SHAPE OF THE ROOF LINES, USING THE SAME MATERIAL WHILE STILL ADDING, WHILE ADDING A, UH, A FRESH MODERN APPROACH TO IT.

A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING DID OCCUR ON JULY 10TH.

FOUR.

RESIDENTS ATTENDED WITH GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC, THE PROPOSED USES AND TIMELINES.

AS OF TODAY, STAFF IS NOT AWARE OF ANY OPPOSITION OR CONCERNS TO THE REQUEST.

PER OUR GENERAL PLAN.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, DESIGNATION, WHICH PERMITS FOR HIGHER DENSITIES ALONG ARTERIALS AS WELL AS IT'S ADJACENT TO A FREEWAY.

UH, THE PROPERTY DOES ALSO FALL WITHIN A GROWTH

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UH, CURRENTLY, UH, I BELIEVE LAST, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THERE WAS A DOWNTOWN CHANDLER REGIONAL UPDATE FOR THAT AREA PLAN.

UH, THIS PROPERTY DOES NOT FALL IN IT CURRENTLY.

UH, SO IT, IT IS ONLY HELD TO OUR GENERAL PLAN.

UH, PLANNING STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REQUESTS AND HAS STIPULATIONS IN PLACE REGARDING THE TYPES OF USES THAT COULD OCCUR.

UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DEALERSHIPS BEING LIMITED TO A FRANCHISE FRANCHISE LICENSE, UM, DISCUSSING DENSITIES PERMITTED AND USES THAT COULD OCCUR WITHIN THE OFFICES, AS WELL AS, UH, 2121 PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT STIPULATION STATING THE INTENT OF THE DESIGN AND IF THE, IF, UH, THERE IS A CONFLICT OR A DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN STAFF AND THE DEVELOPER THAT IT COULD REQUIRE THE PROJECT TO GO BACK FOR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UM, THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND I OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

THANKS, LAUREN.

UM, QUESTION.

THE PLAN APPROVED IN 2022 HAS STIPULATIONS IN THERE IN TERMS OF TIMING THAT RETAIL GETS BUILT IN THAT FIRST PHASE AS WELL AS THE MULTIFAMILY AT THE SAME TIME.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE ENDED UP WITH JUST THE MULTIFAMILY AND THE REST OF IT SITS.

DID I UNDERSTAND THAT ON THIS NEW PLAN, THAT THAT STIPULATION GOES AWAY AND MULTIFAMILY COULD BE BUILT WITHOUT ANYTHING ELSE BEING BUILT? WELL, AS DEPICTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET WITHIN, WHEN THE MULTIFAMILY PULLS A PERMIT, IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT A PORTION OF THE COMMERCIAL AND A HOTEL WOULD OCCUR AT THE SAME TIME, OCCUR OR HAVE A PERMIT PULLED.

SO THE, THE LAST TIME IT WAS, IT'S, IT WAS CFO, IT WAS ALL STACKED.

SO THEY GO TOGETHER.

SO ONE COULDN'T JUST PULL A PERMIT AND THE OTHER ONE GOES ALL THE WAY OUT AND THE PERMIT GETS PULLED AND NOTHING EVER HAPPENS.

DOES THIS CHANGE THAT WHERE THE PERMIT PERMIT COULD GET PULLED, BUT YET NOT THE RETAIL WOULD NOT GET BUILT AND MULTIFAMILY WOULD BE OKAY TO BE BUILT? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND PROBABLY BEST DIRECTED TO THE APPLICANT, UH, TO UNDERSTAND THEIR PHASING PLAN.

IS IT TO MY TO STAFF THOUGH, MY QUESTION IS, BASED ON THIS NEW PROPOSAL VERSUS PROPOSAL THAT WAS APPROVED TWO YEARS AGO, WOULD THEY BE IN SYNC THAT PERMIT PERMIT BUILDING BUILDING C-F-O-C-F-O CHAIRMAN? HISTORICALLY? UM, WE'VE HAD PHASING PLANS, UH, A AS A COMPONENT TO EVERY PDP THAT'S THAT WE'VE EVER PROCESSED.

UM, WHEN THEY'VE INDICATED THAT IN PHASE ONE THERE WILL BE THIS OFFICE BUILDING AND THIS MULTIFAMILY BUILDING, UM, WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED THAT BY SAYING WE WON'T ISSUE A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE MULTIFAMILY UNTIL YOU GET THE BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE OFFICE.

THEY HAVE TO BE BASICALLY DONE AT THE SAME TIME.

UM, WE HAVE NEVER GONE TO THE INSPECTION FOR INSPECTION.

UH, C OF O FOR C OF O, WE NEVER WENT THAT ROUTE 'CAUSE THEY JUST TRAVEL DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT, UM, CONSTRUCTION PATHS AND TIME, TIME TIMELINES.

UM, THE UNCERTAINTY BEHIND THAT IS WHAT, UH, DROVE THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.

AND IT IS SUBMISSION, SUBMISSION, APPROVAL, APPROVAL, INSPECTION, INSPECTION, C OF OC OF O.

UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN PROBLEMATIC FOR, FOR STARTING DEVELOPMENT.

'CAUSE ONE SIDE CAN'T BE LINKED TO THE OTHER.

SO WE'VE, WE HAVE NEVER, HISTORICALLY A STAFF IMPLEMENTED A PHASING PLAN IN THE MEANS THAT THE CURRENT STEPS ARE, EXCEPT FOR WHAT THIS, THIS PROJECT WAS APPROVED FOR IN NOVEMBER 22.

AND THAT WAS, THAT CAME THROUGH COMMISSION AND COUNCIL.

WELL, WE HAD STIPULATED AND COUNCIL REALLY CHANGED AND ADDED ADDITIONAL STEPS ON THAT WHOLE PHASING PART, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND, AND THE, THE CONCERN WAS, IS THAT A PERMIT, UH, THEY COULD SUBMIT FOR PERMITS, PULL THE PERMITS, BUT NEVER ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT IT IN THERE.

AND IT WAS, WELL, WHAT WOULD STAFF DO AT THAT POINT? THEY'VE, THEY'VE, THEY'VE, UH, COMPLETED THEIR OBLIGATION FOR PULLING THE PERMIT.

WE DON'T RUN OUT THERE AND, AND WATCH 'EM, UH, THAT WAY.

OKAY.

AND THIS DOES CHANGE THAT THOUGH, THAT'S, THIS IS TAKING THE STIPULATION AWAY, CORRECT? UM, IT DOES, IT, IT SIMPLY WOULD TAKE IT BACK TO WHAT WE'VE HISTORICALLY DONE FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF PHASING PLANS.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? YEAH.

THROUGH THE CHAIR.

SAME QUESTION ON PHASE, LIKE THE PHASING PLAN.

UH, PHASE ONE IS STIPULATED,

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YOU GOT MULTIFAMILY COMMERCIAL AND PHASE TWO AND TWO HOTELS.

HOW DO YOU REALLY DETERMINE WHAT'S PHASE TWO? WHAT, LIKE THE MULTIFAMILY COMES FIRST? OKAY, THAT'S PHASE TWO.

UM, CAN THAT COMPLETE BEFORE THE HOTELS ARE DEVELOPED? A AGAIN, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THIS ACTUALLY GETS APPLIED IN PRACTICE.

IF, UH, LET'S SAY THAT WE'D ROLL THE CLOCK BACK TO 2018 AND THIS CAME IN AND WE, WE WEREN'T TRYING TO IMPLEMENT IT IN THE WAY THAT THE CURRENT APPROVED STEPS WERE.

WE WOULD LOOK AT THIS AND SAY A, A PERMIT WOULD NEED TO BE SUBMITTED FOR THE AREA, UM, HIGHLIGHTED BY PHASE TWO AS WELL AS BUILDINGS.

AND THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS AND THEY MORE THAN LIKELY WOULD HAVE A, A DIFFERENT FRANCHISEE OWNER FOR DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE A LARGER SITE PERMIT TO COME IN AND PROBABLY BUILDING PERMITS.

AND WE WOULD SEE THE SAME THING ON, UM, ON THE HOTEL SITE.

WE WOULD SEE THE LARGER PERMIT FOR THE WHOLE PIECE ENCOMPASSED IN THAT, THAT AREA.

OKAY.

AND A BUILDING PERMIT FOR, UH, FOR A HOTEL.

AND THEN THE SAME THING ON, ON THE, ON THE, OKAY.

ON THE MULTIFAMILY.

SO WE HAVE PHASING PLANS THAT LOOK A LOT LIKE THIS HISTORICALLY OVER THE YEARS.

THAT'S HOW WE WOULD IMPLEMENT IT.

KEVIN, CAN YOU ANSWER A QUESTION ON THE, I'M GONNA GO TO COMMISSIONER QUIN HERE IN A SECOND.

THE SECOND MULTIFAMILY IS NOT LISTED AS A PHASE.

SO COULD THAT, BASED ON THIS, THE MULTIFAMILY GETS BUILT TO THE WEST AND THEN THEY COME BACK RIGHT IN AND ASK FOR THE PDP ON THAT, UM, THAT MIDDLE PIECE, OR THEY HAVE TO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF THIS OTHER STUFF DONE.

I'M JUST KINDA CURIOUS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY, WHICH PHASE IS THIS? SURE.

IT, IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO ITS OWN PDP, WHICH WOULD ESTABLISH ITS OWN PHASING PLAN WHEN, WHEN IT WOULD BE APPROVED.

SO IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT TIED BY PHASE TO THIS PLAN, SINCE IT DOES NOT HAVE A PDP APPROVED WITH IT.

THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ARCHITECTURE AND, AND SITE DESIGN.

BUT IT COULD, AND IF THAT FIRST TO THE WEST GETS BUILT, THEY COULD COME RIGHT BACK IN AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT A PLAN.

WE HAVE A USER, AND HERE'S THE PDP AND GO THROUGH COMMISSIONING COUNCIL.

THEY COULD, AND BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF THE DONUT HOLE OF THE LARGER COMMISSIONING COUNCIL COULD JUST DECIDE, I GUESS, WHERE, WHERE IN THAT PHASING PLAN IT ULTIMATELY PLUGS IN.

RIGHT NOW, THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON IT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A PDP.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER QUINN, I, I GUESS YOU'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION, BUT IT SAYS THAT ONE OF THE TWO HOTELS WILL BE BUILT IN PHASE TWO.

DOES THAT MEAN THE SECOND ONE COMES LATER AS A FUTURE PHASE DEVELOPMENT BASED ON MARKET DEMAND, EVEN THOUGH IT'S HIGHLIGHTED THE WHOLE SITE AS PHASE TWO? AND DOES THAT MEAN ALL OF THE MULTIFAMILY ON THE WEST IS PHASE TWO THROUGH THE CHAIR? UH, COMMISSIONER QUINN? UM, YOU, THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT'S AS THE APPLICANT INDICATED THAT ONE OF THE TWO HOTELS WOULD OCCUR UNDER PHASE TWO I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS DIAGRAM DOESN'T 100% SUPPORT WHAT WE'RE HEARING OUT LOUD.

MAYBE THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE ABLE TO BETTER, YOU KNOW, DESCRIBE THE INTENT OF THEIR PHASING PLAN.

OKAY.

WELL, IF THE APPLICANT ASKED THAT QUESTION, COMMISSIONER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION? OKAY, LAUREN, THANK YOU.

IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

UH, GOOD.

UH, AF, GOOD EVENING CHAIR.

MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, BRENDAN RAI AND 50 NORTH CENTRAL HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

UM, WE, UH, UH, I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET TO THE MEAT OF THE THING, UH, THE MEAT OF THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

UM, BUT BEFORE DOING SO, THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT I, I JUST WANT TO REEMPHASIZE.

UM, WHAT'S ON YOUR SCREEN NOW IS THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE AS STAFF INDICATED AND, AND LET ME JUST SAY WE'RE EXTREMELY GRATEFUL, UH, TO HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF.

UM, THE AMOUNT OF DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED ON THIS PROPERTY, UM, FOR, UM, IN RECENT TIMES HAS BEEN EXTENSIVE, UH, INCLUDING, UH, I BELIEVE WE WERE THREE HOURS, POSSIBLY ONE AFTERNOON SITTING IN A CONFERENCE ROOM TRYING TO WORK OUT A DESIGN AND A LAYOUT THAT STAFF WOULD BE COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING.

UM, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE AUTOMOTIVE USES AND HOW THEY FIT INTO THE OVERALL SITE.

UM, CERTAINLY THE LOCATION IS IMPORTANT, BUT INTEGRATING THAT INTO A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT CAN BE

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UH, AND I THINK STAFF IS AS WELL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.

BUT AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE, SAME LAND USES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR A WHILE.

UM, YOU, LAUREN DID A GREAT JOB WALKING THROUGH THE CHANGES AND STUFF, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SPEND SO MUCH TIME LOOKING AT IT FROM 30,000 FEET THAT WE SOMETIMES FORGET, WHAT'S IT GONNA LOOK LIKE AS PEOPLE WALK AND MOVE THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT? AND, UH, I HAVEN'T, I THINK EVERYONE'S BEEN, BEEN POSITIVE ON THE DESIGN ELEMENTS OF IT.

THESE ARE THE LANDSCAPE AND OPEN SPACE CHARACTER.

AND YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE'S A LOT THAT'S GOING ON, UH, WITH IT AS WE LOOK, THIS IS THE MONUMENT SIGNAGE THAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE ON THE DEVELOPMENT.

AGAIN, WE THINK IT'S A, IT'S APPROPRIATE, THE ARCHITECTURAL THEME IN WHICH LAUREN TALKED ABOUT, UH, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF BELT AND SUSPENDERS, UH, INCLUDING, UH, IN 2022.

UH, CHAIR HUON HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT THERE WERE STIPULATIONS PLACED ON IT THAT HAVE CONTINUED AND CARRIED THROUGH THAT AS LAUREN INDICATED, IF THERE EVER COMES A POINT AT WHICH, UM, STAFF FEELS THAT WE ARE NOT, UM, INTENDING TO DEVELOP THIS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE REPRESENTED IN THIS DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET, THAT NO ONE EVER GETS A PHYSICAL COPY CHAIR HUMAN WILL REMEMBER GETTING PHYSICAL COPIES OF THESE MANY TIMES.

UM, BUT IT IS, IT IS SOMETHING THAT AS WE, AS WE GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT IT, IF THERE'S EVER ANYTHING THAT, THAT THEY DON'T FEEL WE'RE DOING, WE GOTTA COME BACK.

AND, AND SO AS WE KIND OF GET INTO IT, AND YOU CAN LOOK AND SEE AND GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS STUFF, AND I CAN DO IT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS KIND OF GETTING TO THE, AGAIN, THE MEAT OF THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT I WANNA TALK ABOUT TODAY DEALS WITH A SERIES OF CHECKS AND BALANCES BECAUSE THE STAFF INDICATED THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONDITIONS, UM, THAT, UH, WERE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY THAT, UH, WE AGREED TO, UH, AT THE TIME, UM, THAT AFFECTED AND IMPACTED THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT, AND I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH IT, IS KIND OF WHAT I THINK THE CHAIR EXPRESSED A CONCERN OF IS THAT MULTIFAMILY GETS BUILT AND THEN WHAT ELSE GETS BUILT.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER COROLLARY, UH, THING THAT WE'VE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS IS, WELL, ONCE MULTIFAMILY ISS IN AND NOTHING GETS BUILT, THEN THE REST OF THE SITE'S GONNA BE MULTIFAMILY.

AND WE WILL NOT HAVE THE COMMERCIAL USES, WE WILL NOT HAVE THE AUTOMOTIVE USES, WE WON'T HAVE A LOT OF THINGS.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS, WE LOOK AT IT FROM A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, KIND OF A CHECK AND BALANCE AS I, AS I REFER TO IT, THE SITE PLAN LOCKS IN WHERE THOSE USES ARE LOCATED.

WHERE I'M SHOWING MULTIFAMILY IS THE ONLY SPOT MULTIFAMILY CAN BE BUILT.

SAME FOR COMMERCIALS AND FOR THE HOTELS.

SO THAT IS LOCKED IN.

AGAIN, AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET, THERE ARE TWO CONDITIONS, STIPULATION NUMBER ONE OF THE REZONING, UM, PORTION AND STIPULATION NUMBER ONE OF THE PDP PORTION THAT REQUIRES SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH, AGAIN, THIS BOOKLET, UH, AND THE EXHIBITS THAT ARE IN IT.

AND SO IF I TRY TO DEVIATE ANYTHING FROM IT, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE AT THAT LAST BULLET POINT, I GOTTA COME BACK.

I GOTTA COME BACK TO YOU GUYS.

I GOTTA FILE A NEW APPLICATION AND I'VE GOTTA COME BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO THERE IS A CHECK IN PLACE, UM, THAT ALREADY EXISTS, UH, TO PREVENT MULTIFAMILY FROM SPREADING THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE SITE.

AS THERE HAS BEEN A, A CONCERN, THERE WAS A CONCERN WITH THE AUTO DEALERSHIPS.

NONE OF US WANT IT TO BE A A USED CAR DEALERSHIP, RIGHT? UM, AND SO, UH, STAFF AND WORKING WITH STAFF, THEY CAME UP WITH THE, THIS CONDITION, AGAIN, CONDITION NUMBER FIVE OF THE REZONING THAT SAYS IT'S GOTTA BE A NEW DEALERSHIP.

AND, AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND A LOT OF THINGS IN TALKING ABOUT DEALERSHIPS AND THIS AND THAT.

THERE ARE SOME, SOME THAT HAVE SAID THERE'S NO DEALERSHIPS THAT CAN BE LOCATED ON THIS PARCEL.

WELL, THAT IS, UM, ABSOLUTELY FALSE.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, GREG HAS RETAINED, UH, SOMEONE THAT IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY, VERY FAMILIAR, VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT THE STATE PLACES ON THE LOCATION OF AUTO DEALERSHIPS.

AND THERE ARE A DOZEN DEALERSHIPS, UH, NEW DEALERSHIPS THAT CAN BE LOCATED ON THIS SITE TODAY.

UM, THERE ARE THREE THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN RUMORED TO WANT TO LOCATE.

UM, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THOSE THREE HAVE NOT LANDED WITHIN PROXIMITY.

THAT WOULD VIOLATE A, UH, THE STATE STATUTE 10 MILE RADIUS.

AND SO, AGAIN, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF BELIEF THAT DEALERSHIPS CAN'T BE BE LOCATED HERE.

I'M HERE TO TELL YOU, AND IF GREG'S EXPERT WAS HERE, HE WOULD TELL YOU THAT IT'S THERE.

SO WE'VE GOT THAT CHECK AND BALANCE.

ONE OF THE MEAT OF IT IS, IS THE DEVELOPMENT PHASING.

I APPRECIATE THROUGH THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER QUINN, YOUR COMMENT AS WELL THAT WE LOOK AT IT.

AND, AND THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PHASING.

I'VE TAKEN THE LIBERTY OF HIGHLIGHTING IT A LITTLE BETTER,

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AND SO AS I WALK THROUGH THIS, UM, I WILL TALK ABOUT THE PHASING AND, UM, PHASE ONE, AS MOST WOULD EXPECT, ARE THE HORIZONTAL IMPROVEMENTS.

THAT'S THE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG ARIZONA AVENUE, THE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG PECOS ROAD, THAT INTERNAL INTERNAL LOOP ROAD.

AND THROUGH DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT'S NOT HERE TODAY, UM, HE REQUESTED THAT WE INCLUDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THAT IS WHAT IS OUTLINED IN, UH, HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, OUTLINED IN RED ON THE COMMERCIAL PORTION.

SO THAT IS WHAT'S GONNA BE BUILT IN PHASE ONE BECAUSE AS ANYONE KNOWS, WITH DEVELOPMENT, I'VE GOTTA GET THE HORIZONTAL IMPROVEMENTS IN BEFORE I CAN BEGIN TO GO VERTICAL.

AND SO THAT'S WHY PHASE ONE IS SPECIFICALLY TIED TO THE HORIZONTAL IMPROVEMENTS.

PHASE TWO, UM, AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL IMPROVEMENTS OUTLINED IN GREEN.

AGAIN, THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL OUT ALONG ARIZONA AVENUE.

THAT'S THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, ON THE WEST.

AND THAT IS, UM, THE HOTELS DOWN ON THE SOUTH.

NOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE QUESTION IS THAT ONE OF THE TWO HOTELS WILL GO VERTICAL.

WITHIN THAT PHASE, WE WILL COMPLETE THE HORIZONTAL IMPROVEMENT.

SO WHAT'LL END UP HAPPENING IS IT'LL BE A FINISHED PAD FOR THAT SECOND HOTEL.

UM, THAT SECOND HOTEL WILL NOT GO VERTICAL, UH, WITHIN THAT PHASE TWO, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE INDICATED IT.

AND IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO ILLUSTRATE THAT, UM, THROUGH THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER QUINN, MORE THAN HAPPY TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

BUT THE ATTENTION IS AGAIN, THAT THE HORIZONTAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE ENTIRE HOTEL PARCEL WILL BE CONSTRUCTED.

ONE OF THOSE HOTELS WILL GO VERTICAL, AND THE OTHER ONE WILL BE A FINISHED PAD.

LET ME TALK ABOUT THE, THE, THE CITY COUNCIL PDP AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SPECIFICALLY PUT IN IT.

UM, AND THE REASON THAT WE DID THAT, AGAIN, THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE A CHECK, THAT WAS A CHECK ON US BECAUSE THE SITE IS ENTITLED FOR MULTIFAMILY TODAY.

UM, WE ARE CONTINUING THAT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO MULTIFAMILY, UM, PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY IN THE CITY OF CHANDLER, IS VERY VALUABLE.

UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY EXPRESSED INTEREST THAT THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE SECOND PHASE, UH, THIS PDP PARCEL IS WHAT I'LL CALL IT.

THE, THE MULTIFAMILY ON THE WEST IS UNDER CONTRACT.

AND IF I NEED TO SPEAK TO THAT, I CAN, THOSE GUYS STAND READY TO GO.

THEY'VE BEEN UNDER CONTRACT FOR A YEAR.

BUT BECAUSE OF LENDING REQUIREMENTS THAT I'LL GET INTO IN A LITTLE BIT, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO THE, IT WAS VERY PURPOSEFUL IN INTENTION THAT THAT PDP BE RESTRICTED ON THERE BECAUSE OF, AGAIN, THE CARROT FOR THAT AND THE VALUE OF THAT MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY TO WHERE WE'VE SAID WE'RE GONNA PUT A CHECK ON IT SO THAT THE COMMISSION, SO THAT THE COUNCIL, UM, CAN LOOK AND SEE WHAT OTHER DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED WITHIN IT.

WHERE ARE YOU ON YOUR PHASE TWO IMPROVEMENTS.

UH, AND, AND SO THAT AGAIN, GIVES THE KEYS AND THE CONTROL ULTIMATELY BACK TO THE COUNCIL TO ENSURE THAT NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY.

'CAUSE WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT COUNSEL APPROVAL ON THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL.

AGAIN, JUST CONTINUING ON WHERE IT IS, AND THIS IS A BELT AND SUSPENDERS APPROACH.

THAT LITTLE EXCERPT UNDER THE B PHASING THAT COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET.

AGAIN, STIPULATION ONE FROM THE REZONE AND PDP BOTH TALK ABOUT THAT.

BUT ADDITIONALLY, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT STEP DOWN THERE FOR THE REZONE, BUT YOU CAN SEE, UM, KIND OF EXACTLY WHAT I SAID, UM, THOSE BULLET POINTS ARE IN IT.

SO NOT ONLY DO I HAVE A PHASING PLAN THAT LOCKS IT IN, I'VE ALSO GOT A DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET AND I'VE GOT STIPULATIONS THAT ALL LOCK IN WHAT IT IS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE AS WE LOOK AT IT, THERE HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE PHASING PLAN SINCE THE LAST TIME.

DURING THAT TIME, THE FIRST PHASE, UM, FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY PARCEL, UH, WOULD'VE INCLUDED ROUGHLY 60,000 SQUARE FEET.

UM, THE FINAL DESIGN OF THAT BUILDING HADN'T BEEN, UH, DONE AT THE TIME OF THOSE TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE AND COMPARE, UM, WHAT IS, UM, GET, WHAT IS HAPPENING IS WE ARE INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF NON-RESIDENTIAL THAT ACTUALLY IS GONNA BE BUILT IN THE SAME PHASE AS THE MULTIFAMILY.

UM, AND SO THAT IS AN, AN INCREASE.

BUT AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS AND LOOK AT IT, REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A BALANCE BETWEEN GOVERNMENT REGULATION AND ALLOWING THE MARKET.

UM, WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT AND THEN WE LOOK AT TENANTS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.

WE ARE UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'RE EXPRESSED THE LAST TIME WE WENT THROUGH AND WE'RE WORKING HARD TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA BE BUILT AND WHEN IT'S GONNA BE BUILT.

YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE'VE WORKED, UH, THROUGH, UM, CONSTRUCTION

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UM, SINCE WE RECEIVED THE APPROVALS BACK IN 2020, ALL WITHOUT SUCCESS ON BEING ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE OF WHAT I REFER TO AS THE TIT FOR TAT RESTRICTIONS, AS AS, UM, MR. MAYO INDICATED, UM, IT KIND OF IS UNPRECEDENTED IN, IN THE HISTORY OF CHANDLER WHERE THERE HAS BEEN THAT LEVEL OF EVERYTHING GOES AT THE SAME TIME.

PLANS GO IN CONSTRUCTION, COMMENCES, VERTICAL COMMENCES, AND CERTIFICATES COMMENCES.

UM, AND SO WE AGAIN, THINK THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT CHECKS AND BALANCES AS WE LOOK AT IT, THAT WE HAVE PLACED IN HERE THAT STILL GIVES THE NECESSARY GOVERNMENT REGULATION, UM, YET ALLOWS THE MARKET TO BE ABLE TO WORK UNDER THAT REGULATION, WHEREAS WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO UP TO THIS POINT.

AND SO, AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF SUM UP, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, QUESTIONS ABOUT ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY ON THE SITE.

WE'VE GOT THE STIPULATION SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE TO THE BOOKLET.

WE'VE GOT THE SITE PLAN, AND WE'VE GOT ADDITIONALLY REZONING STIP NUMBER THREE, WHICH IDENTIFIES, UM, WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL CAN BE PERMITTED, WHICH IS ONLY ON PARCELS FOUR AND FIVE.

UM, AND AGAIN, ANY CHANGES OR INTRODUCTION OF A DIFFERENT USE, I'VE GOTTA COME BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS.

SAME THING WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT PHASING AS WE LOOK AT IT, WE'VE GOT STEP ONE SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE.

WE'VE GOT THE PHASING PLAN THAT I JUST WALKED THROUGH.

I'VE GOT THE LANGUAGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT MUST BE BUILT IN EACH PHASE, AND THEN STEP FOUR, UM, THAT REQUIRES A SEPARATE PDP FOR THAT SECOND MULTIFAMILY PARCEL.

SO AGAIN, ANY CHANGES, I'M BACK IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS.

I'M BACK IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT IT ALL, WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A SUFFICIENT SYSTEM IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT DEVELOPMENT CAN MOVE FORWARD.

UM, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, NO ONE WANTS A VACANT PIECE OF DIRT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HEARD IS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS.

WE DON'T WANT A VACANT PIECE OF DIRT.

WELL, WE'VE HAD A VACANT PIECE OF DIRT, AND EVEN UNDER THE LAST APPROVALS, EVEN UNDER THE VALUE OF A, OF A MULTIFAMILY PARCEL, WE STILL FIND OURSELVES WITH A VACANT PIECE OF DIRT.

AND SO WE WOULD REQUEST, UM, THIS COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT.

I'M GONNA JUMP IN.

SO, UM, I DID LIKE THE LINE GOVERNMENT REGULATION AND VERSUS THE MARKET.

UM, WE'RE BUILDING OUT A CITY, WE'RE FINISHING UP THE CITY RIGHT NOW, SO, UM, THINGS ARE DIRT.

A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN DIRT FOR A LONG TIME, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT THINGS DONE.

UM, COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU IN TERMS OF, UM, THE CAR DEALERSHIPS FOR ONE, UM, WE JUST APPROVED TONIGHT THE TOLL BROTHERS PROJECT WHERE EARNHARDT'S LEAVING THE CENTER PART OF THE CITY.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT VOLKSWAGEN'S PULLING OUT AT, AT BASELINE AND, AND, UM, ARIZONA AVENUE, AND IT SEEMED LIKE THE MOST OF THE MAJOR, UM, DEALERSHIPS ARE CLUSTERING, WHETHER IT'S ALONG I 10 SCOTTSDALE, ALONG THE 1 0 1 GILBERT ROAD, AND, AND, UM, THE 2 0 2 BOTH ON THE CHANDLER SIDE AND AS WELL AS THE THE GILBERT SIDE.

WHY DO YOU THINK THIS WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL WITH JUST ONE OR TWO DEALERSHIPS ON A CORNER, UH, CHAIR AS, AS, AS WE LOOK AT IT, UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS.

THE SITE CONTINUES TO HAVE FREEWAY VISIBILITY, WHICH IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AUTO DEALERSHIPS.

YOU WANT THE ABILITY TO DRIVE BY, UH, THIS SITE SITUATES ITSELF BETWEEN TWO OTHER CLUSTERS, OBVIOUSLY IN CHANDLER AND GILBERT FURTHER TO THE EAST.

AND THEN IF YOU GO BACK OVER TO I 10 OVER IN THAT CORRIDOR, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF DEALERSHIPS THAT ARE REPRESENTED OVER THERE, YET THERE ARE STILL DEALERSHIPS THAT ARE UNREPRESENTED IN THIS CORRIDOR, UM, THAT, UH, KNOW THE DEMOGRAPHICS, THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THE AREA AND SEE IT AS A VIABLE, UH, LOCATION FOR DEALERSHIPS TO BE LOCATED.

OKAY.

THE, UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

SURE.

SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEALERSHIPS.

SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, IF THE DEALERSHIPS NEVER COME TO FRUITION BASED UPON MARKET AND OTHER REASONS, YOUR CLIENT IS PREPARED TO COME BACK BEFORE COMMISSION AND PROPOSE SOME OTHER TYPE OF USE AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THROUGH THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, YES.

THERE ARE STIPULATIONS, UH, TO THAT EFFECT, UM, THAT WE WILL HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS.

THANK YOU.

ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU IN TERMS OF, UM, THE PHASING ON THIS, THE MULTIFAMILY, YOU SAY YOU HAVE A TENANT, YOU HAVE A, AN APPLICANT OR, OR, OR USER.

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WE JUST HAD A PRESENTATION FROM, FROM STAFF A FEW WEEKS AGO ABOUT EXTENDING DOWNTOWN SOUTH, NORTH, EAST, AND WEST.

SO I'M JUST KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN PART OF THIS PROJECT FOR A LOT OF YEARS.

I'VE SUPPORTED IT.

SOMETIMES I'VE VOTED AGAINST IT SOMETIMES, BUT, UM, I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHAT HAPPENS.

DO WE END UP WITH JUST A MULTIFAMILY AND THAT'S IT.

WE HAVE THE REST OF IT'S DIRT.

UH, WELL, WELL, UH, CHAIR, AS I, AS I SAID A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL, SIGNIFICANT, ANY OTHER ADJECTIVE YOU'D LIKE ME TO USE, UH, FOR THE VALUE OF, OF MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY THAT IS ZONED WITHIN THE CITY OF CHANDLER? THOSE SITES ARE FEW AND FAR IN BETWEEN.

AND IF YOU LOOK AND TALK TO THE NUMBER OF MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPERS, UH, THAT I HAVE THE FORTUNE TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO, THEY ALL TELL ME, HOW CAN WE GET INTO CHANDLER? HOW CAN WE GET INTO GILBERT? UM, WHAT CAN WE DO TO BE ABLE TO LOCATE, BECAUSE IT IS A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE? MM-HMM, .

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE HAD THAT PDP, UH, AND STIPULATED AND AGREED TO IT AND WROTE IN THE BOOK ABOUT IT.

UM, I, I'M NOT GOING TO STAND UP HERE AND GIVE A GUARANTEE.

WE KNOW HOW GUARANTEES WORK, UM, AND HOW THEY'VE WORKED UNDER PRIOR CASES, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN BEFORE THIS GROUP AND BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND SO I WILL CERTAINLY NOT STAND UP HERE AND GIVE A GUARANTEE IF I COULD.

I WOULDN'T BE STANDING HERE.

I'D BE SIPPING MY TIES ON A BEACH, UH, ENJOYING THAT BECAUSE I COULD PREDICT WITH CERTAINTY, UH, WHERE THINGS WOULD GO AND THEN BED ACCORDINGLY.

BUT THAT SAID, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE DESIRE AND THE NEED FOR HOUSING, WE KNOW THERE'S A HOUSING SHORTAGE.

UH, WE KNOW THAT, I THINK THERE WAS A PRESENTATION THAT STAFF MADE, UH, TO THE COUNCIL AND A WORK SESSION, UM, A WEEK OR SO AGO WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT THE CITY OF CHANDLER STILL NEEDS HOUSING UNITS.

AND SO BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANT VALUE PLACED ON THAT, THAT'S WHY WE AGREED TO THE PDP SO THAT THERE IS A CHECK IN PLACE, THERE IS A BALANCE IN PLACE.

UM, IF YOU PERMIT ME ONE MINUTE, UM, I NEED TO VERIFY SOMETHING WITH MY CLIENT THAT I MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO STIFFEN, UH, THAT PDP.

SO IF YOU GIVE ME ONE MINUTE CHAIR, ABSO ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, THAT, UM, WE ARE WILLING TO OFFER TONIGHT, THAT WOULD BE, IF I MAY CHAIR, UM, THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO STIPULATION, UH, THERE'S THE STIPULATION NUMBER, STIPULATION NUMBER, I THINK IT'S FOUR, THE STIPULATION THAT REQUIRES THAT WE COME BACK FOR PDP APPROVAL.

STAFF'S GONNA TELL ME OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AFTER I BUNGLE IT A WEEK AGO ON A DIFFERENT STIPULATION.

THAT IS STIPULATION NUMBER TWO.

OKAY.

SO STIPULATION NUMBER TWO, PD DP STIPULATION NUMBER TWO READS A SEPARATE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION SHALL BE REQUIRED FOR THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY ON PARCEL NUMBER FOUR.

WHAT WE WOULD, UM, IF IT, IF IT, IF IT HELPS THE COMMISSION TONIGHT, WHAT WE WOULD, UH, REQUEST IS THAT WE ADD A SENTENCE AFTER THAT, UM, THAT SAYS THE PDP APPLICATION FOR PARCEL FOUR CANNOT BE FILED UNTIL 75% OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN PHASE TWO HAVE RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION.

SO WHAT THAT ADDITIONALLY DOES, AND NOT ONLY REQUIRING A PDP, IT PUTS A RESTRICTION ON WHEN I CAN FILE THAT PDP TO BEGIN WITH, UM, THAT I CAN'T EVEN SNIFF FILING THAT UNTIL I HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION FOR 75% OF WHAT IS IN, UM, OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN PHASE TWO.

LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT HOUSING NEEDS.

WE KNOW WE HAVE HOUSING NEEDS AND, AND NOBODY'S DOUBTING THAT WHOLE SITUATION ABOUT GETTING, UM, MULTIFAMILY.

THERE'S PEOPLE WILL BUILD IN TWO SECONDS.

UNFORTUNATE PART IS THERE'S NOT MONEY FOR WORKFORCE.

IT'S BASICALLY HIGHER END STUFF THAT WE ALL KNOW IS FAIRLY EXPENSIVE.

UM, I'M JUST STILL CONCERNED

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WHAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IS THIS BEING, THIS IS REALLY BEING DRIVEN BY MULTIFAMILY, THIS PARCEL.

CORRECT.

THE WHOLE THING.

YEAH.

SO IF, IF I MAY CHAIR, UM, KIND OF GO BACK AND I KNOW THE FONT WAS REALLY TINY AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

UM, BUT, BUT WHEN, WHEN WHAT WE, ON THE RESEARCH AND IF YOU WANNA SEE THE FOURTH DASH DOWN, IS THAT NUMEROUS RETAILERS HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN THIS SITE, UM, BECAUSE THEY SEE THE NEED OF HAVING, UH, INSTANT CUSTOMERS WITH THE 800 UNITS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ENTITLED ON THE SITE.

AND SO THERE'S REAL DESIRE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

BUT THERE'S BEEN SOME HESITATION AS THE MULTIFAMILY HAS BEEN IN, IN LIMBO.

UM, AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANNA SEE STUFF MOVE FORWARD, BUT IT'S, UH, IN SOME REGARDS CONTINGENT ON THE MULTIFAMILY MOVING FORWARD.

COMMISSIONER KYLE? UH, YEAH, JUST TO COMMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, AS I LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, EVEN HYPOTHETICALLY, IF YOU PUT THAT MULTIFAMILY AS PHASE FOUR, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THAT COMMERCIAL MOVES FORWARD IN SOME FAST MANNER.

IT COULD STILL SIT THERE VACANT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

SO IN THE SPIRIT OF, YOU KNOW, BULLET POINT NUMBER FOUR, I DO BELIEVE THAT ROOFTOPS BRING COMMERCIAL, AND THAT'S WHY YOU'VE SEEN THE CITY OF CHANDLER ALL THROUGHOUT IT DEVELOP AS MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND EVERYTHING'S ACCUMULATED AROUND IT.

SO I, I JUST, I DON'T SEE THEM AS REALLY CONNECTED BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING, EVEN IF WE DIDN'T, THIS DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD, THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULDN'T HAPPEN FIVE, SIX YEARS FROM NOW, UH, CONTINGENT ON THE FUTURE MULTIFAMILY.

SO THAT'S JUST MY COMMENTARY ON, ON JUST THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AS IT'S SURE THAT'S TRUE.

UM, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE TWO MULTIFAMILY COMPONENTS IN THIS LATEST PROPOSAL.

THE ONE ON THE WEST IS 400 UNITS AND THE MAX THAT COULD BE ALLOWED PER THE ZONING ON PARCEL FOUR THAT WOULD COME BACK THROUGH THE PDP IS ALSO 400.

YEAH, THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR.

UM, LET ME PULL UP MY SITE PLAN REALLY QUICK AND I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU DEFINITIVELY WHAT IT IS, BUT IF I REMEMBER FROM MEMORY THERE WAS LIKE 300 AND, UM, I THINK WE WERE ANTICIPATING THREE, UM, I THINK, YEAH, WE WERE 400 UNITS ON A MAX OF 400 UNITS ON PARCEL FIVE AND A MAX OF 400 UNITS ON PARCEL FOUR, WHICH IS WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY APPROVED FOR AS PART OF THE MIXED USE PRIOR, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR, PRIOR P 80 THROUGH THE CHAIR.

VICE CHAIR, YES.

OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, JUST TO THE CHAIR'S POINT EARLIER, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS NEW PROPOSED 75% OF PHASE TWO NON-RESIDENTIAL, DO YOU SEE THAT AS BEING THE, THE COMMERCIAL USES OR WOULD THAT IN YOUR MIND ALSO INCLUDE THE HOTEL AND THE 75% WOULD BE BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUILDINGS, OR 75% OF WHAT, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR? VICE CHAIR IT WOULD BE 75% BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE.

BUT BASED ON WHERE I KNOW IS I, AGAIN, I WON'T GO BACK TO THE TINY FONT SLIDE, I APOLOGIZE, BUT, UM, THERE IS A, A SIGNIFICANT INCENTIVE FOR THE HOTEL TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, IN THAT, UM, THE, THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER HAS THREE DAUGHTERS.