May 01, 2024 Planning &amp; Zoning Meeting - 05/01/2024

SO TO THE AUDIENCE, I'VE GOT SOME SPEAKER CARDS FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE.

SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS, RATHER THAN PULLING IT OFF RIGHT AWAY, I'M GONNA ASK, I'M GONNA GO TO THESE COMMENT CARDS FOR PEOPLE IF THEY WANNA TALK, AND IF WE FEEL WE NEED TO PULL THE ITEM FOR ACTION, WE'LL PULL THE ITEM FOR ACTION.

IS THAT OKAY? TURN.

UM, SO CONNIE FRAZIER, DO YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK? DO YOU WANT COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? CONNIE? HI, HERE.

MY, UM, CONCERN ABOUT THAT, THE PROPOSED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

UH, THERE WAS A LADY CAME BY THE HOUSE, UH, MONTH OR SO AGO, AND WE WENT OVER THE ITEMS AND THEY SAID THEY HAD REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF HOUSES IN THAT WERE GONNA BE BUILT, BUT THEY STILL WANTED THE, ONE OF THE ENTRANCES AND EXIT ON ALAMOSA.

AND WE WERE WONDERING WHY, BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY AN ENTRANCE ON MCQUEEN THAT WOULD GO INTO THAT AREA.

IT'S BEEN THERE FOR AS LONG AS I'VE LIVED HERE.

AND ANOTHER CONCERN WITH IT COMING OUT ON ALAMOSA, THAT'S A REALLY SMALL LITTLE STREET THAT GOES INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I THINK THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE HORRIBLE.

LIKE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU TRY TO TURN LEFT ONTO MCQUEEN FROM ALAMOSA, YOU REALLY CAN'T EVEN DO IT IN THE MORNINGS.

IT'S LIKE RIDICULOUS.

AND ALSO, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE TAKING A SHORTCUT THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE TO GET OVER TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OR THE HIGH SCHOOL EVEN.

SO, AND, UH, THEY SAID ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, THAT THAT LIGHT, IF THEY PUT A LIGHT THERE, IT'D BE TOO CLOSE TO MCQUEEN.

AND I LOOKED AT THE, THE DISTANCE FROM THE OTHER ENTRANCE OFF OF TO MCQUEEN IS THE SAME DISTANCE AS WHAT WOULD BE FROM MCQUEEN TO THE INTERSECTION THERE.

SO THAT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

CONNIE, CAN YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE CARD.

MY ADDRESS.

OH, PLEASE.

42 95 SOUTH CROSS CREEK DRIVE, AND IT'S IN ALAMOSA STATES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CONNIE.

BUT, UM, WE'RE THE CLOSEST TO THAT INTERSECTION, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.

THE NEXT PERSON IS JENNIFER ALVEY ALVY.

I GOT IT CLOSE.

YOU DID FINE.

YOU WANT YOU STATE, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

MY NAME IS JENNIFER ALVY AND, UH, WE LIVE AT 1154 EAST GRAND CANYON ROAD.

WE HAVE LIVED HERE IN CHANDLER FOR 22 YEARS NOW.

AND, UM, WE REALLY APPRECIATE AND LOVE LIVING HERE.

WE THINK THE CITY JUST HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB OF MANAGING THE GROWTH.

WE LIVE RIGHT BY MCQUEEN IN OKAT.

EO VISTA PARK TURNED OUT WONDERFULLY.

SO, UM, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT THE CITY DOES REALLY WELL.

WHAT WE ARE HOPING TONIGHT IS THAT THE COMMISSION WILL HEAR WHAT OUR RESIDENT CONCERNS ARE REGARDING THIS PROPOSAL.

SPEAKING JUST FOR MYSELF AND MY FAMILY, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THIS HOUSING DEVELOPMENT COMING IN NECESSARILY.

WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT BENEFITS BOTH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING IN AND THE RESIDENTS WHO ALREADY LIVE THERE.

UH, OUR MAIN CONCERNS ARE THE DEVELOPER HAD INDICATED IN A PROPOSAL WE SAW THAT THERE COULD BE A BUFFER BETWEEN THE EXISTING HOMES, WHICH ARE IN, UM, OUR SUBDIVISION OF GENEVA ESTATES.

MY FAMILY'S HOME IS ON THAT CORNER.

WE'RE WE'RE REMOVED FROM THE STREET CORNER,

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AND SO, UH, THE DEVELOPER, WE REALLY APPRECIATED THAT THEY HEARD OUR INPUT AND WENT AHEAD AND ADDED KIND OF A BUFFER AREA SO THAT WE WOULD NOT ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE FIVE FAMILIES LIVING IMMEDIATELY BEHIND US IN VERY CLOSE RANGE.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE AFTER THE PROPOSAL CAME BACK, UM, PERHAPS AFTER THE CITY HAD REVIEWED IT, THAT BUFFER HAD EITHER BEEN REMOVED COMPLETELY OR AT LEAST HAD BEEN TAKEN AWAY TO THE POINT THAT WE STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS.

WE, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO HOUSING BEING BACK THERE.

WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE NEIGHBORS LITERALLY LOOKING INTO OUR BACKYARD.

SO THAT WAS OUR FIRST CONCERN.

OUR SECOND CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT, LIKE CONNIE MENTIONED.

UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, ALREADY AT THAT INTERSECTION OF MCQUEEN AND OKAT, WE ARE IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, MANAGING A HUGE INCREASE OF TRAFFIC DUE TO BOTH THE AMAZON FACILITY UP ON MCQUEEN AS WELL AS THE BUS BARN THAT WAS PUT IN DOWN THE ROAD FROM US ON OKAT.

SO OUR, OUR TRAFFIC THERE AT THAT EX AT THAT INTERSECTION HAS JUMPED EXPONENTIALLY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, MY BACKYARD DUE TO IT, FACING THAT INTERSECTION.

UH, WE HAVE A BALCONY AND I, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH MORE FREQUENTLY NOW WE HEAR AMBULANCES OUT THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION IN WAYS THAT WE DIDN'T HEAR FOR THE FIRST YEARS THAT WE LIVED IN THAT HOME.

WE'VE BEEN THERE 11 YEARS NOW.

SO WE ARE VERY CONCERNED.

IT IS OBVIOUSLY A FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LOTS OF KIDS, UH, WHICH WOULD ONLY INCREASE BRINGING IN A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD ADD EVEN MORE KIDS MOVING THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION.

SO, LIKE I SAID, BETWEEN THE AMAZON TRUCKS ALREADY THERE, THE BUS BARN HAPPENING, WE'RE JUST REALLY WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY LOOKS AT HOW TO SAFELY FACILITATE THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD ACCOMPANY AN INTERSEC, OR EXCUSE ME, A SUBDIVISION THERE.

AND THAT WOULD NOT ADD TO INCREASED TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AS CONNIE SAID, NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO LEAVE THAT NEW SUBDIVISION AND TURN OUT ONTO ALAMOSA BECAUSE IT, IT WILL ONLY CREATE MASSIVE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC HEADACHES THERE.

SO WE APPRECIATE THE CITY LISTENING TO US AND BEING WILLING TO CONSIDER OUR INPUT.

AND AGAIN, JUST APPRECIATE ALL YOU GUYS HAVE DONE TO CREATE A REALLY WONDERFUL PLACE FOR OUR FAMILIES TO LIVE.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'M GONNA TAKE THE OTHER SPEAKER THEN I AM GONNA PULL THIS ITEM FOR ACTION.

SO, UM, THE LAST SPEAKER I HAVE, AND THIS, THIS ONE, RASHID, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK? IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD TOO, PLEASE, THAT'D BE GREAT.

HI, I'M RIZWAN RASHID.

THE ADDRESS IS 4 1 9 0 SOUTH JESSE STREET.

JEN VY IS MY NEIGHBOR.

AND I HAVE A CONCERN THAT BETWEEN HER AND I, WE'RE GONNA HAVE 12 HOMES RIGHT BEHIND US.

12 HOMES BUTTED UP AGAINST, UH, TWO HOMES.

I DON'T LIKE THE DENSITY.

UM, I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS THAT JEN HAD.

SHE PUT IT VERY ELOQUENTLY.

UM, I JUST HAVE A, THE DENSITY CONCERN AND I WOULD BE OKAY WITH A RESIDENTIAL PLAN, BUT NOT THAT HIGH DENSITY.

AND I'VE ASKED THE BUILDER TO DO THAT AND THEY SAID THEY JUST CANNOT DO IT IN A PROFITABLE WAY.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE BEST INTEREST HERE IS FOR THEM, NOT FOR US.

AND I WOULD AT THIS TIME, I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT A LIGHT COMMERCIAL, UM, PLAN THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SHOULD STAY.

IF THIS IS THE BUILDER THAT'S GONNA, UM, BE WORKING HERE, UH, I WOULD WELCOME ANOTHER BUILDER IF THEY HAVE LARGER HOMES WITH LE LESSER DENSITY, BUT I DON'T, IT DOESN'T SEEM POSSIBLE WITH THIS BUILDER.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

GREAT.

ANY QUESTION? THANK YOU.

SO WE'RE GONNA PULL THIS ITEM FOR ACTION STAFF.

SO, UH, BUT, SO RIGHT NOW, UM, WE HAVE ITEMS THAT NUMBER 1, 2, 4, AND FIVE TO THE AUDIENCE, THOSE ITEMS WILL BE VOTED ON BY ONE MOTION.

IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE FOUR ITEMS, LET ME KNOW.

I'LL SEE NONE.

I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 1, 2, 4, AND FIVE.

SO WHAT IS COMMISSION'S PLEASURE? SURE.

UM,

[ Consent Agenda Items listed on the Consent Agenda may be enacted by one motion and one vote. If a discussion is required by members of the Board or Commission, the item will be removed from the Consent Agenda for discussion and determination will be made if the item will be considered separately.]

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER QUINN.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? COMMISSIONER LOPEZ? AYE, THANK YOU.

STAFF, DO YOU WANNA COME UP ON ITEM NUMBER THREE AND ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT COME UP AND TALK AS WELL?

[3. Area Plan Amendment, Rezoning, Preliminary Development Plan, and Preliminary Plat, PLH24-0012/PLH23-0056/PLT23-0022 Viviendo, located at the southeast corner of Ocotillo and McQueen roads Area Plan Move Planning and Zoning Commission recommend approval of Section 23 Area Plan amendment, PLH24-0012, as recommended Planning staff. Rezoning Move Planning and Zoning Commission recommend approval of Rezoning PLH23-0056 Viviendo, Rezoning from PAD for Neighborhood Commercial and congregate care to PAD for single-family residential on approximately 15.4 acres, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning staff. Preliminary Development Plan Move Planning and Zoning Commission recommend approval of Preliminary Development Plan PLH23-0056 Viviendo for subdivision layout and housing product, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning staff. Preliminary Plat Move Planning and Zoning Commission recommend approval of Preliminary Plat, PLT23-0022 Viviendo, a 76-lot single-family subdivision, subject to the condition as recommended by Planning staff.]

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ALRIGHT, THANK YOU CHAIR.

UM, CHAIR HUMAN.

UH, YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS, CAN YOU ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTION, THE, SO ADDRESS FOR ME, UH, FOR THE NEIGHBORS, THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT ON ALAMOSA, THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT.

CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT IN STAFF'S OPINION ON THAT, PLEASE? OF COURSE.

I'M JUST PULLING UP GOOGLE MAPS REAL QUICK.

I APOLOGIZE.

SO YOU, EARLY ON BEFORE THE, UH, APPLICANT SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION, THEY SUBMITTED A PRELIMINARY TECHNICAL REVIEW, UH, TO STAFF.

SO, UH, ALL OTHER DEPARTMENTS REVIEWED IT.

WE HAVE FIRE, CIVIL TRAFFIC, UH, BUILDING UTILITIES.

UM, AND DURING THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER DID REVIEW IT, AND GENERAL PRACTICE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENTS IS TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF ENTRANCES OUT ALONG AN ARTERIAL AND TO USE, UTILIZE COLLECTOR STREETS TO TAKE A, UH, SMALLER ROADS TO LARGER ROADS.

UM, AS WE HEARD FROM THE RESIDENTS, MCQUEEN, UH, IS OFTEN REFERRED TO AS LIKE A HIGHWAY WITH PEOPLE SPEEDING OUT DOWN IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WOULD PREFERENCE IS TO HAVE, UH, ALAMOSA BE USED, UH, TO ALLOW FOR TRAFFIC TO SPILL OUT ONTO THAT, THEN TO EXIT OUT ON MCQUEEN VERSUS ADDING ANOTHER, UH, ENTRANCE OUT ALONG MCQUEEN.

UM, LET'S JUST SEE.

AND THEN I'M JUST PULLING THIS UP.

AND SO THAT'S JUST A BEST PRACTICE PER THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT DEVELOP TO THE SOUTH, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO MCQUEEN, UH, THE SUBDIVISION DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THAT SUBDIVISION.

THERE'S NO ENTRANCE OUT ALONG MCQUEEN.

AND THEY UTILIZE COLLECTOR STREETS TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH.

THE SUBDIVISION THREE DOWN, AGAIN, THEY DON'T HAVE DIRECT AC ACCESS TO MCQUEEN AND THEY UTILIZE COLLECTOR ROADS BLUE RIDGE WAY AND DOWN TO CHANDLER HEIGHTS.

SO IN DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, BEST PRACTICE IS TO TAKE MINOR COLLECTORS TO COLLECTORS OUT TO ARTERIALS.

SORRY, LAUREN, COULD YOU ADDRESS, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE SCHOOLS AND CUTTING A THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS TO GET TO THE SCHOOL.

WHERE IS THE CLOSEST SCHOOL? SO, SANTA DOWN ON CHANDLER HEIGHTS.

SO SOMEBODY'D HAVE TO DO A LOT OF CUTTING TO GET THROUGH DOWN THERE.

WERE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT THE RESIDENTS BROUGHT UP, LAUREN, THAT YOU WANNA ADDRESS? UH, YEAH.

ONE OF THE RESIDENTS BROUGHT UP THE NEED FOR A SIGNAL.

I DID DISCUSS WITH HER.

I WAS AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WE WERE IN, I WAS IN ATTENDANCE, UM, YOU KNOW, A SIGNAL AGAIN, TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

I DID CONFIRM WITH HER, UH, IT'S TOO CLOSE TO, UH, THE INTERSECTION OF MCQUEEN AND ACA TO ALLOW FOR A, A SIGNAL TO BE INSTALLED AT THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT OF ALAMOSA DRIVE, OR EVEN IF THE ENTRANCE WAS PROPOSED ALONG MCQUEEN OR EVEN THE ENTRANCE AS BEING PROPOSED ALONG ACA.

THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION.

SOMEBODY, ONE OF THE, UH, SPEAKERS TALKED ABOUT COMMERCIAL.

CAN YOU ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC IF THIS WOULD'VE BEEN BUILT AS A QUICK TRIP AND REST THE COMMERCIAL VERSUS WHAT THIS WOULD GENERATE? OH, GREAT QUESTION.

UH, CHAIR AGAIN, UH, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT THROUGH, UH, MY 10 YEAR WITH THE THE CITY, I'VE LEARNED THAT, UH, TRAFFIC, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT GENERATES MORE TRAFFIC THAN RESIDENTIAL.

UH, COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC GENERATES MORE TRAFFIC THAN EVEN MULTIFAMILY.

UH, 'CAUSE THE AMOUNTS OF TRIPS GENERATED, THERE'S MORE VERSUS RESIDENTIAL.

AND I KNOW WE JUST HAD A QUICK TRIP COMES THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

FOLKS, IF YOU'LL BE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO TALK, I'LL HAVE YOU COME UP AND TALK, BUT PLEASE, UM, WE HAD A QUICK TRIP JUST CAME THROUGH HERE AND I KNOW THE TRIPS ARE HUNDREDS PER HOUR AND STUFF, SO.

DECEMBER NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE PROPOSING TO HAVE A 20 FOOT, UM, UH, A 20 FOOT SIDEWALK, UH, BETWEEN THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AND THE PROPOSED HOMES.

UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SHERRY, LAUREN? THERE WAS A, A COMMENT ABOUT A BUFFER.

CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT BUFFER AND WHERE DID IT GO? OF COURSE, I'M JUST GONNA PULL UP THIS POWERPOINT HERE.

UH, I DON'T HAVE THAT IMAGE, BUT, UM, SO WITH THE SITE PLAN, SO, UH, DURING THAT

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UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT IS OF, UH, HISTORICALLY WE'VE LEARNED THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE GENERALLY TEND TO BE NO MAN'S LAND.

UM, THERE'S NO EYES ON IT.

UM, IF SOMEBODY WAS TO GET IN, ALTHOUGH IT IS A GATED COMMUNITY, UH, THEY COULD GET IN THERE CAMP OUT, AND IF A RESIDENT WAS IN THERE WALKING THEIR DOG, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY COULD BE, UH, IT COULD BE A POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS SITUATION.

UM, AND SO IT WAS BEST TO, UH, HAVE LARGER LOTS THEN, UH, UTILIZE A, UM, 20 FOOT LANDSCAPED AREA WITH A SIDEWALK WITH, UH, LOW LIGHTING BOLLARD, UH, LIGHTING, WHICH WOULD BE LIT THROUGHOUT THE EVENING.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT 20 FOOT WAS ADDED INTO LOTS 30 THROUGH 40 TO MAKE THEM DEEPER? THAT IS CORRECT.

I LIKE THAT IDEA A LOT ACTUALLY.

DID I SEE A TRAIL ALONG THE QUEEN IN THAT OPEN SPACE IN ONE OF THE RENDERINGS? UH, YES.

UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR COMMISSIONER CULTURAL, UH, THAT IS CORRECT.

UM, IN ORDER TO GET ADDITIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, PARDON ME, , THERE WE GO.

UM, YES, SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HOME BUILDER IS PROPOSING TO DO, UH, ANOTHER SIDEWALK, UH, ALONG MCQUEEN, UH, CLOSER TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT JUST TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO WALK THEIR DOGS AND NOT HAVE TO WALK ADJACENT TO MCQUEEN ROAD WITH CARS SPEEDING DOWN THERE TO GIVE THEM A, A SAFER ENVIRONMENT TO WALK WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY.

I'M SORRY, THAT'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC, CORRECT.

IT WON'T BE GATED OFF OR CORRECT.

IT'D BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

UM, LAUREN, JUST A QUESTION ON THAT.

I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN ANY OF THE OTHER DOCUMENTS EXCEPT FOR THAT, THAT RENDERING UP THERE.

SO JUST, JUST A COMMENT THAT I WANNA MAKE, MAKE SURE THAT IF THAT IS THE PLAN THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S CONSISTENT ACROSS SOME OF THESE DOCUMENTS.

THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT.

UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, BAR CELLO, UH, I CAN CONFIRM THAT IT WAS THERE, UH, BECAUSE WE WERE REVIEWING IT, UH, THROUGH THE LENS OF THE PRELIMINARY PLA UH, CIVIL AND SITE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSIONER.

SO CIRCLING BACK TO LOTS 30 THROUGH 40 AND THE BUFFER.

SO THE BUFFER IS NOW WITH THE LARGER LOT SIZES, SO THE HOMES WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO GO BACK AS FAR.

SO THEY STILL HAVE THAT 20 FOOT BUFFER.

IT'S JUST A BIGGER LOT.

SO FARTHER AWAY FROM THEIR HOMES, UH, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR COMMISSIONER.

UM, YEAH, SO THEY ELIMINATED THAT 20 FOOT, UH, UH, UH, LANDSCAPE AREA TO ALLOW FOR, UH, LONGER LOTS TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE, UM, LARGER BACKYARDS FOR THOSE USERS.

SO THE HOMES WILL NOT SLIDE FARTHER BACK ONTO THE LOT, SO THEY WILL ESSENTIALLY GET THEIR BUFFER.

CORRECT.

LAUREN, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS, UM, THE SINGLE STORY PLUS THE PUSHBACK TWO STORY, YOUR DIFFERENT COLORS YOU HAVE UP HERE THAT WILL BE SO LONG? THE SOUTH PART OF THE PARCEL, THERE'S LIKE THREE OR FOUR HOUSES THERE, AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE HOUSES ON THE, THE EAST SIDE.

UM, IN TERMS OF HOW, SO SOME, ONE OF THE THINGS CAME UP FROM THE SPEAKERS WAS THE LOOKING DOWN ON TO THEIR PROPERTIES.

SO WILL YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT JIM, IF I COULD INTERJECT REALLY QUICK? SURE.

UH, THESE ARE ALL QUESTIONS THAT ARE ABOUT THE SPECIFIC PROPOSAL, WHICH IT'S NOT STAFF'S PROPOSAL, IT'S APPLICANT.

SO LIKE I WOULD, I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF WE GOT THE APPLICANT.

YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

WE CAN DO THAT.

ADDRESS THEIR PROPOSAL.

OKAY, THAT'D FINE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, PLEASE.

ALRIGHT.

THERE YOU ARE, RIGHT.

YOU SAVED IN THERE.

SHOULD WE JUST CLICK HERE? YEP.

HERE, LET ME START YOU.

THERE YOU GO.

SO WHERE WE, HOLD ON? YEP.

GO UP AND DOWN.

YEP.

BEGINNING IN ALL THE MEETINGS WE'VE HAD WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, MY NAME IS RALPH PUGH.

MY OFFICE IS AT 1744 SOUTH VAL VISTA DRIVE IN MESA, SUITE TWO 17.

IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING.

ON BEHALF OF KHO MANIAN HOMES, MR. CH CHISHOLM IS HERE, AND FRANCISCO CASTILLO HERE FROM IAN.

AND CASE THERE'S QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN'T ANSWER OR NOT AWARE OF, UH, I THINK MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, AND THEN WE'LL SHOW YOU IN MORE DETAIL A COUPLE OF EXHIBITS HERE.

SO FIRST OF ALL, WITH, WITH RESPECT TO THE ALAMOSA DRIVE, THAT HAS BEEN THE POINT OF DISCUSSION FROM THE VERY

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AND IT BECAME ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO US THAT, THAT THE CITY AND PLANNING, UH, MCQUEEN ROAD, AS LAUREN HAS INDICATED, DO I WANNA MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF ACCESS POINTS ON MCQUEEN.

SO CONSEQUENTLY, THE BEST APPROACH WE COULD FIND TO IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN WAS TO PUT AN ENTRANCE ON ALAMOSA THE SOUTHERN EDGE AND MAKE THAT ONLY FOR RESIDENTS.

SO IT WILL BE KEYED, THERE'LL BE A LOCK.

SO NO DELIVERIES WILL BE MADE THERE, NO GUESTS CAN COME THROUGH THERE.

ALL THAT TYPE OF PUBLIC ACCESS.

IN FACT, SOME RESIDENT ACCESS IS OCCURRING UP ON OTTE.

SO, UH, WE'VE DONE ALL WE CAN DO, IN OUR OPINION, TO COMPLY WITH STREET DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE CITY OF CHANDLER, AND AT THE SAME TIME CREATE SOME WAY TO MAKE THAT ALAMOSA, UH, LOCATION A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND, AND SO THAT WAS THE PROPOSAL AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE, UH, ON YOUR, UH, PLATE TONIGHT.

SECONDLY, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, WELL, THERE'S ALREADY SOME CURB CUTS ON MCQUEEN.

WELL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE, THEY ARE NOT CURB CUTS BECAUSE THERE WAS REALLY NEVER A PLAN APPROVED HERE WITH A SITE PLAN ON THIS LAND, AND THEY NEVER GOT TO THE DEVELOPMENT STAGE.

THOSE ARE WHAT I WOULD CALL ROADWAY DRAINAGE SPILLWAYS.

THEY TAKE DRAINAGE FROM THE ROAD, IF YOU'LL LOOK AT 'EM, THEY'RE CONCRETE, THEY HAVE, UM, GRATES IN THEM, AND THEN THEY DRAIN THE, THE WATER FROM THE STREET INTO THE PROPERTY TODAY.

SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY BEING CONFUSED AND COME AND SAY, OH, WE HAVE CURB CUTS THERE, LET'S JUST PUT A ROAD THERE.

THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

UM, SECONDLY, WITH RESPECT TO THE BUFFER, I KNOW, UM, SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS MADE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

WE'LL SHOW THAT ON THE, ON THE MAP HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.

BUT THAT BUFFER BECAME PARTICULARLY, UH, TROUBLESOME.

IT JUST LIKE LAUREN INDICATED, IT BECAME A SPOT WHERE WITHOUT CONSTANT EYES ON IT AND VIGILANCE, IT COULD TURN INTO A LOCATION FOR MISCHIEF TO OCCUR.

SO WE DID WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE BEST AT THAT TIME, AND THAT'S TO PUT THAT LAND SQUARE FOOTAGE BACK INTO THE LOTS.

SO THAT'S HOW THAT HAPPENED.

AND IT WAS A GOOD IDEA FOR THE MOMENT UNTIL EVERYBODY, AT LEAST WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, STAFF THOUGHT ABOUT IT, OTHERS, IT DIDN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE CHANGED IT.

UM, THERE'S BEEN A QUESTION TOO ABOUT TWO STORY LOOKING INTO BACKYARDS.

IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE DEAL WITH FREQUENTLY IN THE LAND USE WORLD.

I'LL SHOW YOU AN EXHIBIT IN JUST A MINUTE.

THAT INDICATES THAT ALL OF THE SINGLE STORY HOMES THAT ADJOIN THIS PROPERTY ARE CORRECTLY.

UH, OUR PROJECT IS DESIGNED NOT TO HAVE TWO STORY HOMES NEAR THOSE.

SO WE'LL SHOW YOU THAT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.

UM, AS FAR AS I'VE TRIED IN AN ENTIRE CAREER OF DOING LAND USE PLANNING, NO ONE SEEMS TO BELIEVE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT IN AND OUT PEAK HOURS FOR COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL, IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER, NOT JUST HIGHER, SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER FOR COMMERCIAL USES IN THOSE PEAK MORNING AND PEAK AFTERNOON HOURS.

AND FOR THAT REASON, THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER, UH, THOUGHT AS TO WHY THIS RESIDENTIAL USE ON THIS INFILL PROPERTY, IN OUR OPINION, IS MUCH BETTER THAN THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S PROPOSED THERE.

UH, TODAY.

UM, LET'S SEE, THE HIGH DENSITY THAT THAT QUESTION HAD BEEN RAISED EARLIER, OUR PLAN'S GONE FROM 91 LOTS TO 76 AFTER FOUR DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF IT.

WE KEEP THE DENSITY CONSISTENT WITH THE SOUTHEAST AREA CHANDLER PLAN, JUST AS LAUREN EXPLAINED WHEN YOU DO THE MATH ON THAT, THE DENSITY IS SLIGHTLY OVER THREE UNITS PER ACRE.

IF YOU DO THE MATH IN FAIRNESS, JUST ON THIS PROPERTY, JUST ON THE 15.3 NET ACRES AND 76 UNITS, YOU HAVE A HIGHER, YOU HAVE A HIGHER DENSITY 4.8, BUT WHEN IT'S AVERAGED OUT LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE UNDER THE PLAN AND HOW THAT'S BEEN INTERPRETED BY THE CITY FOR A WHILE, IT FITS WELL WITHIN, UH, THE DENSITY RANGES THAT ARE ALLOWED.

AND THE HOME SIZES RANGE ON THIS PROPOSAL FROM SLIGHTLY OVER 2000 TO 3,300, ALMOST 3,400 SQUARE FEET.

SO THESE ARE NOT SMALL HOMES.

THESE ARE MEANINGFUL IMPORTANT HOMES ON SMALLER LOTS ADMITTEDLY, UH, TODAY.

SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN JUST COVER A COUPLE THINGS HERE.

UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AS IT RELATES TO THE DENSITY CALCULATION.

UM, UH, THE STAFF COVERED EXACTLY THE FOUR SPECIFIC REQUESTS TO IMPLEMENT THIS APPLICATION TO AMEND THE, THE AREA PLAN, UH, TO DO THE PDAD ZONING, TO DO

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THE PDP DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.

SO THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE REQUESTS AND, AND PLANNING TOOLS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE TONIGHT.

SO HERE'S ANOTHER OVERVIEW OF THE SITE, HOW WE COMPLY WITH THE SOUTHEAST AREA CHANDLER PLAN.

AND THEN, LET'S SEE.

OH, HERE WE GO.

THESE ARE THE, THIS IS THE GYRATION OF THE NUMBER OF TIMES WE'VE CHANGED THE PLAN FROM 91 LOTS AND 4,000 SQUARE FEET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

76 LOTS WITH ALMOST A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.

WE NOW HAVE 12 TWO STORY, UH, LOTS WITH THE 40 FOOT MINIMUM SETBACK.

I CALL THAT OUR STAGGERED PLAN THAT YOU'VE SEEN ON THE, ON THE, UH, SCREEN TONIGHT WHERE THE TWO STORY ELEMENT IS STAGGERED, 40 FEET BEHIND THE REAR WALL OF THE HOME.

UM, AND WE HAVE 15 OF THE 76 THAT ARE LIMITED SPECIFICALLY TO SINGLE STORY.

WE'VE HAD TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, ONE INFORMAL, ONE FORMAL, AND THEN WE HAVE DONE EXTENSIVE DOOR TO DOOR CONTACT WITH TOM AND KRISTA, UH, BILSTEIN AND THEIR OUTREACH TO NEIGHBORS TO KEEP THEM INFORMED, SOLICIT THEIR OPINIONS AND LISTEN TO THEIR, UH, THOUGHTS.

SO HERE'S THE, HERE'S AN EXHIBIT I THINK SHOULD BE HELPFUL.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROJECT AS, UH, THE STAFF EXPLAINED IT, UH, YOU'LL SEE THE BROWN AND WHAT WE'LL CALL ORANGE AND YELLOW, RIGHT? SO THE YELLOW ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE ARE TWO STORY HOMES.

THE ORANGE IS THAT STAGGERED HOME AND THE BROWN ARE SINGLE STORY.

NOW, IF YOU LOOK TO THE EAST, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE ARE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.

THERE ARE SEVEN TWO STORY HOMES ON THE EAST SIDE OF US.

SO THOSE HOMES, WE HAVE HOMES THAT BACK UP TO TWO STORIES WITH EITHER A TWO STORY OR A STAGGERED, WHICH TO US SEEMS LIKE A FAIR SOLUTION TO THAT.

ON THE OTHER HAND, WHERE YOU SEE SINGLE STORY, WHICH ARE WHITE ON THE OUTSIDE OF OUR PROJECT PREDOMINANTLY, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE EAST SIDE FIRST SOUTH OF OCA.

UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE IS A, UH, SINGLE STORY HOME UP THERE.

THAT ONE IS ADJACENT TO A SINGLE STORY HOME IN OUR PROJECT.

AS YOU COME DOWN FURTHER SOUTH, YOU SEE TWO WHITE BARS, BOTH WITH 26 96 SQUARE FEET THAT REPRESENTS HOMES THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET.

YOU SEE THAT LITTLE NORTH SOUTH STREET ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT LOCATION OF OUR PROPERTY, THOSE HOMES ARE ON THE EAST SIDE.

SO WE DO HAVE TWO STORY HOMES ON THAT LOCATION.

WHY? BECAUSE THE HOMES, IN OUR OPINION, EAST OF THERE ARE BUFFERED BY A LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND A FULL CITY STREET WIDTH.

AND THEN THEY'RE SIDING ON NOT BACKING ONTO THIS PROJECT.

UM, THEN IF YOU COME AROUND THE CORNER, THERE ARE THREE MORE WHITE, UH, INDICATORS THERE WITH SQUARE FOOTAGES OF THE HOMES.

ALL OF THOSE ARE SINGLE STORY AND ALL OF THE HOMES THAT BACK UP TO THOSE HOMES IN OUR PROJECT ARE EITHER SINGLE STORY OR THERE'S ONE STAGGERED, UH, TWO STORY UNIT THAT HAS THE TWO STORY 40 FEET BACK.

SO WE'VE BEEN VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT.

THEN IF YOU GET TO THE SOUTH END, THERE'S ONE, UH, SPOT THERE THAT YOU SEE WHITE THAT IS A SINGLE STORY HOME.

SO IF YOU LOOK IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST OF THAT, IT IS ADJOINING A SINGLE STORY HOME ON OUR PLAN.

IN FACT, TWO SINGLE STORY HOMES AND A STAGGERED.

SO WE HAVE DONE WHAT WE THINK WE CAN DO THE BEST WE CAN TO MAKE SURE WE'VE ACCOMMODATED TWO STORIES, UH, WITH TWO STORIES AND SINGLE STORY MATCHING UP TO SINGLE STORY.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A SITUATION WHERE A TWO STORY HOME OVERLOOKS A SINGLE STORY.

THIS IS SOME, UH, RENDERINGS OF, OF THE ELEVATIONS.

THESE ARE MEANT TO GIVE SOME SPATIAL RELATIONSHIPS, UH, NOT NECESSARILY EVERY DETAIL OF THE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.

UM, AND YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, THE TEXTURE THAT IT PROVIDES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, AND ESPECIALLY HERE AS IT RELATES TO THE TOP LOT, THE RAMADA, THE BARBECUE AREA, UH, THE AMENITY AREA IN THE, IN THE PROJECT.

THIS IS ANOTHER GOOD SHOT OF WHAT THE AMENITY AREA LOOKS LIKE.

AND, AND HERE, HERE'S WHAT THE STREET FRONTAGE, I THINK BECAUSE THERE'S ROUGHLY NINE HOMES HERE.

THIS, THIS LOOKS LIKE THE OKAT FRONTAGE, I BELIEVE 'CAUSE MCQUEEN IS MUCH LONGER.

AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE TEXTURE.

WE, WE, WE TRIED TO AVOID CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE YOU HAVE A REAR WALL THAT MEETS THE MINIMUM SETBACK AND IT JUST LINED UP WITH ALL REAR WALLS.

SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE HERE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE STAGGERED,

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AND THEN, UH, AS WE GO TO, UH, MCQUEEN, THERE IS A SI SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF SINGLE STORY STAGGERED UNITS AND TWO STORY THAT ARE MIXED ALL ALONG MCQUEEN TO GIVE, AS I SAY, TEXTURE, UH, TO THAT STREET FRONTAGE.

SO MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, WE, WE URGE YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS CASE.

THIS, THIS IS A TYPICAL DISCUSSION THAT UNFORTUNATELY ARISES IN INFILL PROJECTS.

AND, UM, THE STAFF AND THE CODE AND THE ANALYSIS OF THE SOUTHEAST AREA PLAN TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

WHEN THERE'S AN INFILL PROJECT, THEN EVERY ASPECT OF THE SUBDIVISION DESIGN DOES NOT APPLY.

WHY? BECAUSE IT GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A FRESH LOOK HERE AT A SUBDIVISION THAT'S NOT IN A TYPICAL STANDARD LOCATION OF A COTTON FIELD THAT'S BEEN NOW SOLD FOR DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO WE MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, WE MEET THOSE STANDARDS, UM, AND, AND WE BELIEVE THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY WELL DESIGNED PROJECT AND WE URGE YOUR SUPPORT, UH, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO REC, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE HERE.

QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

NO, I GUESS WE DON'T.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

I'M GONNA GO TO THE AUDIENCE.

I KNOW THERE WERE A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK.

IF YOU WANT COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND FOR, FOR THREE MINUTES.

DOES ANYBODY, ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK IF YOU WANNA SPEAK, COMING UP TO THE YES.

ANYBODY ELSE I COULD TALK YOU NEED TO COME UP TO? IF YOU CAN COME UP TO THE DAAS, PLEASE.

YEP, THAT'D BE GREAT.

CENTER HAD DEVELOPED AS IT WAS INTENDED TO DEVELOP WITH RETAIL AND OFFICE, AND IT MAINTAINED ALL THE CURB CUTS IN DRIVEWAY LOCATIONS THAT IT WAS, THAT WOULD STILL SEND MORE TRAFFIC TO THAT ALAMOSA DRIVEWAY, UM, ENTRANCE THAN IF THIS ENTIRE SUBDIVISION WENT ONLY TO ALAMOSA ENTRANCE AND EXIT FOR EVERYBODY, IT WOULD STILL BE LESS TRAFFIC THAN THE COMMERCIAL CENTER WOULD GENERATE.

YOU'VE ALREADY STATED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'RE GOOD.

SO YES, IT'S ME AGAIN.

UH, ONE POINT I I APPRECIATE HEARING WHAT, UH, CA NOT EVEN GONNA BE ABLE TO SAY IT, BUT YOU'RE GOOD.

I I GOT IT.

, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, AND THAT IS HELPFUL TO HAVE CLARITY ON THAT.

THE ONE SITUATION I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT WAS, UH, WHAT THE CITY OF CHANDLER MENTIONED ABOUT IT BEING A FEEDER STREET, I THINK THE NAME IS, IS, IS WHAT IT'S CALLED, OR ALAMO IS NOT A FEEDER STREET.

IT DOES NOT CONTINUOUSLY TRAVEL EAST TO WEST.

IT LITERALLY TRAVELS FOR, YOU KNOW, THE LENGTH OF SIX HOUSES AND THEN YOU CAN ONLY TURN INTO ALAMOSA ESTATE OR INTO GENEVA STATES.

SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON ON THAT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SITUATION WHERE ANY CAR TURNING OUT OF THIS NEW SUBDIVISION ONTO ALAMOSA TO GO TO SANTA TAN ELEMENTARY OR SANTA TAN JUNIOR HIGH, THERE'S TWO THERE.

THERE'S TWO SCHOOLS IS ONLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO TRAVEL THROUGH RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS TO GET TO THAT SCHOOL.

AND AS, AS WAS MENTIONED, UM, IT'S A VALID POINT THAT MOST TRAVEL IS HAPPENING DURING CERTAIN TIMES OF THE MORNING AND CERTAIN TIMES OF THE AFTERNOON EVENING.

THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ENTIRE SUBDIVISION OF PEOPLE, OR AT LEAST APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THEM ALL LEAVING THE SUBDIVISION AND ROUGHLY HALF OF THEM AT LEAST EXITING ONTO ALAMOSA.

NOW, HOWEVER MANY OF THEM ARE TRAVELING ON TO WORK ARE VERY LIKELY TO TURN OFF OF ALAMOSA OUT ONTO MCQUEEN.

BUT HOWEVER MANY OF THEM ARE TRYING TO GET THEIR CHILDREN OVER TO SAN TAN, JUNIOR HIGH OR SAN TAN ELEMENTARY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ON A FEEDER STREET.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON RESIDENTIAL ROADS THAT WIND THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE CHILDREN ARE BIKING, WHERE CHILDREN ARE WALKING TO SCHOOL, WHERE PEOPLE ARE OUT IN THE MORNING.

WE HAVE, UH, MULTI-GENERATIONAL FAMILIES THAT LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

SO ELDERLY PEOPLE.

AND THAT IS OUR CONCERN AS RESIDENTS.

WE DO NOT HAVE A FEEDER STREET SITUATION THERE.

WE HAVE ONLY A SITUATION THAT PULLS INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IF THE CITY WOULD KEEP THAT IN MIND AS THEY'RE MAKING THEIR DECISIONS THAT THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS PUTTING PEOPLE OUT ONTO BLUE RIDGE OR PUTTING THEM OUT ONTO THE NEXT FURTHER STREET SOUTH.

THIS IS AN ONLY INTO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT A FEEDER STREET.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? LAUREN, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THE FEEDER STREET OR BEST YOU CAN, OR KEVIN OR SOMEBODY YOU KNOW, UH, CHAIRMAN AND LAUREN HAD MENTIONED IT.

UH, IF, IF WE KIND OF PLAY THE, LIKE, COULD THEY GET A CURB CUT ONTO, UH, ONTO MCQUEEN? UM, WHILE THE APPLICANT'S CORRECT AND THAT THERE WAS NEVER A FORMAL PDP THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE COMMERCIAL CENTER, THERE WAS A CONCEPT SITE PLAN THAT, UH, ACCOMPANIED GENEVA STATES WHEN IT WAS ZONED, HAD OFFICE DOWN ON THE FINGER THAT KINDA REACHES DOWN SOUTH AND A RETAIL CENTER ON THE, UH, ON THE NORTH.

UH, THAT CONCEPT SITE PLAN ALWAYS SHOWED A DRIVEWAY CONNECTION FOR THE COMMERCIAL CENTER TO ALAMOSA AND THEN A SPOT OUT ONTO ONE ON MCQUEEN.

UM, I CAN TELL YOU JUST IN THE FOUR DECADES COMBINED THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS, UH, IF, UH, IF THE

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UM, COLLECTOR STREETS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, UH, THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS, UH, A STREET THAT LINKS ONE ARTERIAL TO ANOTHER, ANOTHER ARTERIAL LIKE WILLIS ROAD DOES IN CERTAIN PLACES OR BROOKS FARM ROAD DOES IN CERTAIN PLACES.

ALAMOSA IS, IS STILL IN THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING WORLD DEFINED AS A COLLECTOR ROAD BECAUSE IT'S COLLECTING THE TRAFFIC FROM GENEVA STATES AND ALAMOSA STATES AND GETTING IT TO, UH, GETTING IT TO MCQUEEN.

UM, SO I I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE RESIDENTS COMMENT THAT IT'S NOT THE SAME AS THE ONE DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH AND SHE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, BUT IN TRAFFIC AND ENGINEERING WORLD, IT'S STILL CONSIDERED A COLLECTOR.

STREET HOMES DON'T BACK UP TO IT OR HOMES DON'T FRONT ONTO IT AND IT'S COLLECTING, UH, RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC FROM TWO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.

UM, THE KIND OF CUT THROUGH, UM, TRAFFIC THAT COULD BE, UH, COMING FROM THIS SUBDIVISION GET DOWN TO THE SCHOOLS.

IT'S A REAL CONCERN.

UM, UH, CITIZENS AND PARENTS, THEY DO WHAT THEY DO.

UM, I LIVE NEAR A SCHOOL AND I, IT'S, I DEAL WITH IT EVERY DAY.

UM, IF, UH, IF THE ACCESS POINT WAS MOVED OFF OF ALAMOSA AND SAY PUT TO, THERE'S A, A SEMI FULL MOVEMENT ACCESS POINT THAT, UH, SERVES THE CHURCH JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HALFWAY UP, UH, UP MCQUEEN, LET'S SAY THAT IT WAS PUT THERE.

UM, IF PARENTS WERE GONNA CUT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET TO THE SCHOOL, THEY WOULD EXIT OUT ONTO MCQUEEN, HEAD SOUTH, DIVE BACK INTO ALAMOSA AND DO THEIR THING.

UM, THEY'RE GONNA CUT THROUGH IT ANYWAY.

UM, AND WHETHER WE MOVE IT FROM ALAMOSA ONTO MCQUEEN OR NOT, THAT CUT THROUGH, IT'S NOT REALLY INCENTED TO CUT THROUGH BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN ACCESS TO OSA.

UM, PARENTS WILL STILL DO IT, UM, IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WRESTLES WITH, WITH EVERY SCHOOL THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR KEVIN? OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE FLOOR THEN SINCE THERE'S NOBODY ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

SO WHAT IS THE COMMISSION'S PLEASURE COMMISSION? QUINN? MR. MR. CHAIR? OH, MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM THREE AS.

I HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND.

ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? AYE.

COMMISSIONER LOPEZ? YES.

UM, TO THE AUDIENCE WE ARE RECOMMENDING BODY OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

UH, THIS ITEM COMES TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN DAVID, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS ITEM GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON MAY 23RD.