Sep 18, 2023 City Council Study Session 09/18/2023

TO THE AGENDA ON

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[ Call to Order]

AT THIS PARTICULAR MEETING, WE'VE HAD, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE LOOKED OVER THE AGENDA AND HAD CALLED IN A NUMBER OF THESE THAT THEY WANTED CLARIFICATION ARE, UM, TO DISCUSS IN A LITTLE DEEPER ORDER.

[7. Agreement No. 4676, with Lokahi, LLC, for the Washington Street Alignment Study Move City Council approve Agreement No. 4676, with Lokahi, LLC, for the Washington Street Alignment Study, in an amount not to exceed $160,000. Council Focus Area(s):]

COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, I BELIEVE YOU HAD A COMMENT RELATED TO THE WASHINGTON STREET STUDY OR QUESTION.

YEAH, JUST, JUST REAL QUICK, MAYOR, I HAD A CHANCE TO CHAT WITH THE CITY MANAGER, UM, AND AS WELL, UM, ALL I'D LIKE TO SEE IS, IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHETHER THIS IS STILL, THIS IS PROBABLY OVER 20 YEARS OLD, I BELIEVE, OR I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHEN WE STARTED THIS WASHINGTON STREET.

UH, TAKE A, UH, MAKE ONE OF THE OPTION BEING, UM, NOT TO DO IT AT ALL, AND IF IT'S STILL LEGITIMATE TO DO BASED UPON WHAT WE'VE DONE ARIZONA AVENUE IN THE PAST, I DON'T KNOW, 10, 15 YEARS.

SO JUST MAKE ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS, BASICALLY DO NOTHING OR IT'S OKAY.

THAT WAS MY CONCERN, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR.

THAT'S AN EASY ONE TO ADD.

WE CAN MOST CERTAINLY DO THAT.

THANK YOU.

VERY GOOD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? SEEING NONE,

[11. Use Permit PLH22-0055 K9 Resorts, Approving a Time Extension for an Outdoor Play Area for Dogs at 1870 W Germann Road, Suite #1, Located at the Northeast Corner of Dobson Road and Germann Road Move City Council approve Use Permit PLH22-0055 K9 Resorts subject to the conditions recommended by Planning and Zoning Commission. Council Focus Area]

THANK YOU, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

YEAH, THIS IS A, UH, THIS IS A, AN ITEM THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A FEW, UH, WHAT, A COUPLE YEARS AGO WAS IT, OR TWO YEARS AGO WHERE WE HAD THE DOG PARK OVER ON CHANDLER HEIGHTS AND, UH, I THINK IT WAS ARIZONA.

AND SO THEY'VE BEEN A GREAT NEIGHBOR, UH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAD THEM COME BACK FOR A USE PERMIT, UH, YOU KNOW, RE RE UH, REAPPROVE THEIR USE PERMIT.

BUT, UH, THERE'S BEEN NO COMPLAINTS.

SO I'D LIKE TO, UH, POSITION THIS FOR THURSDAY TO, TO APPROVE THIS WITH REMOVING STIPULATION NUMBER FIVE, UH, ON THERE, THE CONDITION NUMBER FIVE, EXCUSE ME, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK.

UH, THERE'S A LOT OF COST ASSOCIATED WITH THESE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, AND THIS IS A, THIS IS FITS WITHIN THE VEIN OF, YOU KNOW, CHANDLER BEING A GREAT PLACE TO DO BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR, OUR SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

SO, UM, IF COUNCIL WOULD BE SO INCLINED.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS ONE IS ON 1870 WEST GERMAN MAIN, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE DRAWING ATTENTION TO THE OTHER WAS THAT THEY WERE GOOD NEIGHBORS WHEN THEY STARTED.

THAT'S RIGHT.

YEP.

AND THIS ONE HAD A USE PERMIT.

THEY'VE HAD NO COMPLAINTS.

SO RATHER THAN HAVE THEM COME BACK FOR A TIME JUST REMOVING THAT TIME CONSTRAINT AND IF THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE REPORTED, THEN WE CAN HANDLE THEM AT THAT POINT.

IS THAT CORRECT? CERTAINLY.

THANK YOU.

COUNSEL.

OR ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH JUST REMOVING THE FOUR YEAR TIME CONSTRAINT AND, UH, ALLOWING THEM, IF WE, IF WE WERE IN AGREEMENT HERE TONIGHT, THEY'LL JUST CHANGE THE, UH, THAT, REMOVE THAT STEP FOR THURSDAY AND WE WILL VOTE THAT NORMALLY, UNLESS ANYONE HAS RESERVATIONS AND THEN WE WILL SEE WHERE WE GO.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS.

YEAH.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I HAD SPOKEN WITH, UH, CITY MANAGER AND ASKED, UH, DID WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH STAFF IN UNDERSTANDING WILL THIS IMPEDE IN ANYTHING THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO DO IN THE FUTURE? AND THERE WAS NONE ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU HAD TOLD ME.

SO AT THIS TIME, I'M INCLINED TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT WITHOUT THE STIPULATION.

OKAY.

UM, TO I, RIGHT.

COUNSELS, OH, WELL, I GOT A QUESTION.

QUESTION BY VICE.

YEAH.

SO, YEAH, SO I GUESS LET'S TAKE US BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THIS, UM, STAFF.

WHAT, WHAT DO WE, THIS IS NORMAL PROCESS FOR US TO DO THESE INTERIMS AND THEN A LONG TERM, AND THEN AFTER THIS ONE THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK ANY LONGER.

CORRECT.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT JEOPARDIZING FUTURE EXPECTATIONS ON INDIVIDUALS THAT'S COMING FORWARD.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL.

SO, UH, HISTORICALLY, UH, WHEN WE WOULD DO CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, WE WOULD KIND OF APPROVE THEM WITH A SHORT LEASH AND THEN GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT LONGER LEASH AND A LITTLE BIT LONGER LEASH.

HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN A 1 3 5, THEN WE WOULD GO UNLIMITED.

UM, AS WE HAVE EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS, UH, WE HAVE STARTED OFF WITH TWO YEARS AND THEN WE WOULD LOOK TO A FOUR YEAR AND THEN MAYBE A SIX OR MAYBE JUST GO STRAIGHT TO UNLIMITED AT THAT POINT.

UM, WE ARE, WE ARE STARTING TO BREAK KIND OF TRADITION AND GET OUT OF THE, THE KIND OF THE RIGIDITY OF THOSE TIERED TIMELINES.

UH, AND SO E PLANNING COMMISSION HAS HAD SOME SIMILAR THOUGHTS OVER THE YEARS, UH, AS WELL.

IN THIS INSTANCE, WE'RE NOT REALLY, WE'RE NOT TYING OUR HANDS IN ANY WAY.

UM, IT STILL ALLOWS US TO DO THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO IF WE GET NEIGHBORHOOD COMPLAINTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, SO AT LEAST ON THIS CASE IS WHAT, UH, FOR TONIGHT WE ARE GOOD WITH ELIMINATING THAT TIME CONDITION.

OKAY.

AND THERE AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, THERE WAS NO NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS OR COMPLAINTS, ANY OF THIS, CORRECT? I KNOW I HEARD HER SAY IT EARLIER.

JUST WANNA DOUBLE CHECK.

CORRECT.

ALRIGHT.

SO, UM, WHEN DO YOU, WILL YOU BE COMING BACK WITH SOME OTHER THOUGHTS ON THESE USE PERMITS? IS THIS SOMETHING YOU'RE DOING IN THE, UH, WHEN WE

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WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THESE TIERED APPROACHES, UH, BY POLICY OVER THE YEARS, JUST THROUGH IMPLEMENTATION.

SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE THE CODE, UH, IN TERMS OF THESE TIMELINES.

WE'VE JUST SIMPLY BEEN TAKING CITY COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, DIRECTION TO ADJUST THOSE TIERS.

YEAH, AND I DON'T MIND DOING THIS.

SO YOU GOT MY ANSWER, MAYOR, BUT MY, MY POINT IS, I, IF WE START SETTING PRECEDENT AND THEN SOMEONE COMES IN HERE AND SAYS, WELL, YOU GAVE IT TO THEM, WHY CAN'T I GET IT? AND THERE MAY BE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES WHY WE WANT PARTICULARLY PARTICULAR, UM, MUSIC, UH, THAT'S A PERMIT, AND WE USUALLY HAVE A PRETTY STRONG STIPULATION ON THAT, WHICH IS PROBABLY MORE INTRUSIVE THAN THIS ONE.

SO I WOULD JUST SAY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS ONE, BUT AGAIN, I WOULD BE CAREFUL ABOUT US TRYING TO, UM, SET A PRECEDENT WHERE SOMEONE WOULD COME IN HERE AND SAY, YOU DID IT FOR THEM, WHY NOT FOR ME? SO THANK YOU.

THANKS, MAYOR.

WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.

TYPICALLY, IT'S, IT'S, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, INVOLVEMENT COMMUNITY, UH, KIND OF CONCERN THAT TIGHTENS UP THOSE TIMELINES FOR US.

OKAY.

SO, BUT, BUT WE HEAR YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS? COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINA.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WOULD JUST LIKE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION.

UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESSES OR, UM, ENTITIES THAT ARE IN THE SAME INDUSTRY THAT ARE WITHIN THIS SAME USE PERMIT? UH, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A HANDFUL, MAYBE A HALF DOZEN, UH, THAT ARE THIS TYPE OF FACILITY THAT ARE IN DIFFERENT STAGES OF THEIR USE PERMIT, LIKE KINDA LIFECYCLE.

SO ABOUT, ABOUT A HALF DOZEN MORE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, MS. THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

UH, IT'S A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UM, THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROCESS TO GET USE PERMITS REDONE AND, AND IS THERE NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH AND THINGS LIKE THAT? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT COST GENERALLY IS FOR A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER? UH, IT A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS.

UM, THREE TO $500, DEPENDING ON IF THEY HIRE HELP OR IF THEY DO IT BY THEMSELVES AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

YEAH, THAT'S A LOT.

UM, CAN, CAN COUNCIL REMOVE SOMEBODY'S USE PERMIT AT ANY TIME? WE HAVE THAT, WE HAVE THE DISCRETION, RIGHT? UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, UH, CAN, UH, CAN, UH, CAN, UH, GOD, THE WORD IF THEY'RE BAD ACTORS.

YES.

SO LET'S SAY WE GIVE THEM THIS CITY COUNCIL, WE'D HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR A FORMAL VOTE, BUT RIGHT.

I, YES, WE CAN BRING SOMETHING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL IF THERE'S, UH, IF THERE ARE ISSUES WITH IT ALONG THE WAY.

SO YOU, THE REAL, UM, PART OF THIS IS IT'S JUST GONNA MAKE BUSINESS EASIER FOR GOOD NEIGHBORS SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK TO US FOR APPROVAL AND THEN SPEND THAT EXTRA MONEY.

IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YES.

CORRECT.

ALRIGHT.

SUPER.

THANK YOU.

PROCEEDING DOWN.

YOU GUYS GOOD? OR WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? YEAH, JUST ONE.

UM, I AGREE.

UM, JUST I WANTED TO ASK YOU JUST A FEW QUESTIONS AROUND, UM, THESE TIER STEPS.

UM, IS THAT SOMETHING IN TERMS OF THE TIERS, IN TERMS OF SAYING, OKAY, WE HAVE THIS SUNSET CLAUSE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DONE? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, RIGHT? MAYOR? CORRECT.

FROM EVEN BEFORE I, I STARTED, UH, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD KIND OF A, A, A SHORT LEASH, A LITTLE BIT LONGER LEASH AND EVENTUALLY TAKE OFF THE LEASH, AND THEN IT IS JUST THEM SHOWING THAT THEY CAN BE A GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNER.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE PURPOSE OF IT, IS TO SHOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO THE RIGHT THING YEP.

ONCE WE RELEASE THE PERMIT TO YOU.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER POST MAYOR.

I SEE THIS IS A POSITIVE FOR OUR BUSINESSES.

I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS ONE.

GREAT.

WELL, COUNCIL, I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT, SO I DON'T MEAN TO SQUASH YOU, BUT I THINK YOU'RE, EVERYONE'S AGREEING WITH YOU COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.

I KNOW, JUST MAYOR, I'M JUST, IT JUST, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT WE WE'RE NOT, OUR, OUR BUSINESS OWNERS ARE, ARE NOT BURDENS ON OUR, OUR COMMUNITY.

WHEN AND WHEN WE SIT UP HERE AND START TALKING ABOUT, UM, WRANGLING THEM IN OR HOLDING THEM OR WHATEVER, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE LIFEBLOOD OF, OF THE COMMUNITY AND WE NEED THEM FOR, FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.

AND SO WE NEED TO BE DOING THINGS TO FACILITATE, FACILITATE, NOT REGULATE THEM.

SO I JUST WANNA LEAVE THAT THOUGHT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SURE.

AND I, I GENERALLY AGREE WITH YOU, ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES WE'VE HAD, UH, WE'VE HAD SOME BUSINESS OWNERS THAT, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE MORE LESS INTERESTED IN BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US ALL.

YEAH.

UM, UH, CITY ATTORNEY, CAN YOU, UH, OR CITY MANAGER, UH, REMOVED THAT STIP? SO WHEN WE VOTE ON THIS THURSDAY, IT'LL, WE WON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT.

VERY GOOD.

[12. Use Permit, PLH23-0036 Bottle and Bean, 2577 W. Queen Creek Road, Suite 100, generally located west of the southwest corner of Dobson and Queen Creek Roads Move City Council approve case PLH23-0036 Use Permit to expand the serving area of a Series 7 Beer and Wine Bar license and Entertainment Use Permit approval for live indoor and outdoor entertainment, subject to the conditions recommended by Planning and Zoning Commission. Council Focus Area(s):]

ITEM NUMBER 12 RELATED TO A PERMIT USE PERMIT FOR BODI AND DEAN.

VICE MAYOR.

YEAH, MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO, UH, COMPLIMENT, UH, THE STAFF, THE RESIDENTS, AND THE OWNER TO COME TOGETHER.

I KNOW WE HAD A, UH, START AND A STOP LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME, SO APPRECIATE YOU.

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THANK YOU HARLEY FOR, FOR WORKING WITH MAN HARLEY.

I JUST GIVE IT A HARLEY MAN.

I'LL TELL YOU.

.

NO, UH, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES BEHIND THIS, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS AND I, I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH EVERYONE TO MAKE THIS A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYONE.

SO, NICE JOB, JOB.

GREAT.

ITEM

[13. Final Plat Approval for PLT22-0038 Chandler Airport Business Center, Located at the Northwest Corner of Queen Creek Road and Cooper Road Move City Council approve Final Plat, PLT22-0038 Chandler Airport Business Center, as recommended by staff. Council Focus Area(s):]

YEAH, MICAH HERE.

DR.

MIRANDA, COME ON UP, MICAH.

OH, HE IS.

YEAH.

I HAVE NO, NO PROBLEM.

WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO TO ASSEMBLE THOSE PROPERTIES HERE.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHAT'S THE EMPLOYMENT THOUGHT PROCESS ON THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL THROUGH THE MAYOR, UH, VICE MAYOR? THIS PARCEL, UH, FALLS WITHIN THE CHANDLER AIR PARK AREA PLAN, WHICH SPELLS OUT SPECIFIC, UH, EMPLOYMENT USES THAT THE CITY PREFERS TO SEE, SPECIFICALLY ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, UH, AEROSPACE AVIATION, ADVANCED BUSINESS SERVICES.

AND SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, THE FINAL CONCEPTS, THE RENDERINGS WERE REALLY DRIVEN BY COUNCIL FEEDBACK FROM YEARS AGO, PUSHING DESIGN, UM, AND AESTHETICS OF THE BUILDING.

SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO ATTRACT THOSE HIGHER END, UH, TENANTS INTO THAT, UM, NOT JUST HEAVY WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION.

OKAY.

THAT'S REALLY THE, THE DIRECTION THIS PROJECT IS HEADING TOWARDS.

YEAH, I SAW THE WORD WAREHOUSE IN THERE.

AND, AND THAT'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LOT OF, UH, DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION, WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS, BUT FROM WHAT I'M HEARING YOU'RE SAYING STICKING WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY FOR THAT AREA.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANKS, MAYOR.

THANK YOU.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS DONE, MICHAEL? ALRIGHT,

[ Police Department ]

UH, OUR LEGISLATOR, JENNIFER WILLOWY, UH, UH, HAD BROUGHT THIS FORTH.

UH, CHIEF, DO YOU WANNA GIVE US A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THIS AND, UH, THEN WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS? SURE.

WELL, GOOD EVENING MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

UM, THE STATE LEGISLATURE PASSED SENATE BILL 1720 BACK IN MAY, WHICH ALLOCATED A NUMBER OF EARMARKS FOR DIFFERENT PUBLIC SAFETY AGENCIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE, INCLUDING TWO SPECIFIC EARMARKS FOR CHANDLER PD.

THE FIRST ONE ALLOCATED $250,000 TO PURCHASE A PEPPER BALL.

LESS LETHAL SYSTEMS, UH, FOR PATROL OFFICERS TO CARRY.

UH, THIS IS DEVICE, IT'S, UM, IT'S THE SAME AS A, UH, PAINTBALL GUN ESSENTIALLY.

AND IT SHOOTS A SMALL PAINTBALL TYPE PELLET, WHICH CONTAINS, UH, UH, PEPPER BALL SPRAYS AND IRRITANT.

SO THOSE, THAT'S A TOOL THAT WE CAN USE ON COMBATIVE OR VIOLENT, UH, OFFENDERS TO HELP TAKE THEM INTO CUSTODY RATHER THAN ESCALATING TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF FORCE.

SO THAT'S THE, THE FIRST, UH, EARMARK, AND THAT'S $250,000.

THE SECOND ONE, UM, WAS THE EARMARK FOR $2 MILLION UNDER THE TITLE OF PURCHASE TECHNOLOGY, INCREASED SERVICES AND ENHANCED OFFICER WELLNESS.

SO OUR PLAN IS TO TAKE HALF THAT MONEY, $1 MILLION OF IT, AND TO HIRE PART-TIME TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES, UH, MOST LIKELY FORMER POLICE DETECTIVES TO HELP CURRENT DETECTIVES WITH THEIR CASELOADS, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE HIGH TRAUMA AREAS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING, INTERNET CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN.

UH, AND THEN WE HAVE A, A WIDE VARIETY THROUGH COLD CASES FROM HOMICIDES TO SEXUAL ASSAULTS.

SO THESE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO WORK SIDE BY SIDE WITH OUR DETECTIVES AND HELP, UH, SOLVE IDEALLY SOME OF THOSE CASES.

AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT, UH, FUNDING WOULD BE TO PURCHASE DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES TO HELP OUR DETECTIVES IN A, IN A WIDE ARRAY OF AREAS AND TO HELP PURCHASE NEW TECHNOLOGIES FOR OUR NEW REAL-TIME CRIME CENTER.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

AND I, I APOLOGIZE IF, IF JULIE WILLOUGHBY IS WATCHING THIS.

I CALLED YOU JENNIFER, UH, BUT CHIEF, JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR ME, THEN I'LL GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER , AS IN YOUR COMMUNICATIONS WITH JULIE WILLOUGHBY, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE HAD ABOUT THE, THE DEDICATION OF WHERE THIS MONEY GOES, YOU AND HER ARE ON THE SAME PAGE? YES.

SO ESSENTIALLY THE SPIRIT OF THIS MONEY IS THE HELP IN OUR HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND OUR, UH, UH, CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THIS MONEY WOULD GO, ESPECIALLY OUR, OUR DETECTIVES AND THEN TECHNOLOGY THAT WILL HELP OUR DETECTIVES CONDUCT THEIR INVESTIGATION.

THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINAS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, THANK YOU CHIEF FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

UM, MAJORITY OF MY QUESTIONS WERE MAINLY THE PRIORITY AND THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT FUNDING.

AND YOU JUST, YOU BASICALLY ANSWERED THE QUESTION THERE.

AND SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND, UM, THANK YOU TO MRS. WILLOUGHBY FOR HER SUPPORT ON THIS.

YES, WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF, UH, HER, HER EFFORTS AND HER, UH, UM, HER SUPPORT FOR POLICING IN OUR CITY.

VERY GOOD.

THANKS, MAYOR.

YEAH, I TOLD HER THE OTHER DAY FOR A FRESHMAN WHO'S ONLY BEEN ON THE JOB A COUPLE MONTHS, SHE DID GREAT.

SO , KUDOS TO HER.

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THEN.

UM, CHIEF, THIS IS GREAT STUFF.

AS YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN WANTING TO DO A LOT OF THE STUFF FOR A WHILE.

I'M GLAD SHE WAS THERE, PUT MONEY IN HERE.

BUT THE, THE, THE HIRES, ARE YOU GONNA GO OUT AND ACTUALLY, IS THERE LIKE A CONTRACT OR, UM, LET ME REPHRASE THE QUESTION.

IS THERE LIKE A, UM, ESTABLISHED CONTRACT WHERE WE GO AND, AND HIRE THESE EMPLOYEES? WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO OUT AND DO THIS PIECEMEAL WHERE TAKE MORE TIME.

I KNOW WE'RE WORKING WITH HUMAN RESOURCES RIGHT NOW, CREATING THAT JOB DESCRIPTION.

PERFECT.

SO THAT'S BEING CREATED.

ONCE THAT GOES OUT, THEN WE CAN, UH, PUT IT OUT AND SEE HOW MANY APPLICANTS APPLY AND WHICH ONES THAT WE WANT TO BRING ON BOARD.

OKAY.

SO THERE'S NO BROAD, UM, CONTRACT.

WE HAVE AN EMPLOYMENT AGENCY THAT WE COULD JUST GO IN THERE AND ASK IF THEY HAVE THIS EXPERTISE.

WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY? NO.

OKAY.

OUR, OUR DESIRE IS TO IDENTIFY AND HIRE AND ATTRACT, UH, RETIRED OR FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THESE COMPLEX INVESTIGATIONS.

EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU.

GREAT JOB.

THANKS COUNCIL.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART, THEN WE'LL GO ON THIS WAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU CHIEF.

UH, A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

ONE, MAYBE FOR THE CITY MANAGER, UM, IT MAY TAKE SOME TIME FOR US TO GET THIS APPROPRIATION FROM THE STATE.

IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN DO, LIKE WHAT WE DO WITH INTEL WHERE WE WE USE OUR GENERAL FUND DOLLARS AND GET REIMBURSED SO WE CAN MOVE QUICKLY ON THIS? YEAH.

MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART, UM, THIS, UH, BILL WAS SET UP THAT IT'LL COME IN QUARTERLY INSTALLMENTS TO THE CITY.

AND SO WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED THE FIRST INSTALLMENT.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THOSE FUNDS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN, I GUESS FLOAT IS THE BEST WORD TO MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE TO EXECUTE THE PROJECTS EVEN AS THE MONEY COMES IN.

THAT'S GREAT.

THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO HEAR.

THAT'S GOOD QUESTION, CHIEF, THANKS SO MUCH FOR, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE TALKED UP HERE ABOUT A MONTH AGO ABOUT TRAFFICKING AND JUST THE, THE CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN.

AND I REALLY AM GRATEFUL FOR YOUR, UH, DEDICATED, UH, COMMITMENT TO, TO ENSURING THAT THAT ENDS IN OUR CITY.

UH, AND, AND THIS, THIS FUNDING WILL HELP TREMENDOUSLY.

SO, UH, KEEP COMMUNICATING WITH US LIKE YOU HAVE, UH, WHATEVER YOU NEED TO, TO MAKE THAT END.

WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

CAST MEMBER HARRIS.

YEAH, CHIEF, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I WANTED TO ASK YOU A QUESTION.

UM, THE, YOU DESCRIBED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE USING THE, THE PEPPER, UM, THE PEPPER GUN.

IS THAT TO REPLACE THE, UH, SO CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT WEAPONS WE HAVE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW? UM, TO LIKE, TO MAYBE LIKE IF A, IF A PERSON WAS IN A VIOLENT OUTSIDE OF SHOOTING, WHAT DO DON'T THEY HAVE TWO OTHER WEAPONS THAT THEY HAVE? SO THIS WOULD BE IN ADDITION.

OKAY.

THIS WOULD AUGMENT THE SYSTEMS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.

IT STARTS WITH THEIR TRAINING, OUR PRESENCE, OUR COMMUNICATION, OUR DEESCALATION.

AND THEN WE HAVE ACTUAL TOOLS FROM OUR TASERS TO OUR WRAP TECHNOLOGY.

UM, WE HAVE OUR BATONS, WE HAVE, THEY CARRY, WE HAVE PEPPER SPRAY, SO WE HAVE A WIDE ARRAY.

THIS IS ANOTHER TOOL THAT DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCE, 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT, THIS COULD CREATE TIME AND DISTANCE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ENGAGE THE SUSPECT.

AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE INJURIES OCCUR.

SO THIS ALLOWS US TO PROJECT SOME TYPE OF CONTROL FROM A DISTANCE.

AND THEN IT'S A, IT IS A NON-LETHAL, UH, DEVICE.

AND, UH, THE WHOLE IDEA IS BE ABLE TO GAIN COMPLIANCE WITHOUT RESORTING TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF FORCE.

NOW DO THEY, UM, SO WITH THE, SO WITH THE PEPPER, NOW, WILL EVERY OFFICER HAVE THIS ON? WOULD THIS BE SOMETHING THAT EVERY OFFICER WILL NOW HAVE AS A PART OF THEIR DEESCALATION TOOL? NO, WE WOULD ASSIGN, WE'RE GONNA PURCHASE ABOUT 50 OF THESE DEVICES AND HAVE TWO OR THREE ON, ON PER TEAM.

JUST LIKE WE DO SOME OF THE OTHER SPECIALTY EQUIPMENT.

IT'S A SPECIALTY.

SO THIS ENHANCED TRAINING AND RESPONSIBILITY THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS.

SO EVERY OFFICER'S ISSUED THE, THE TASER AND PEPPER SPRAY, BUT THIS IS A DIFFERENT DEVICE WHICH WILL REQUIRE MORE SPECIALIZED TRAINING.

SO OUR DESIRE IS TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO TO THREE OF THESE AVAILABLE EACH, EACH TEAM.

AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE TEAMS THAT WORK THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO NO MATTER WHEN THAT CALL HAPPENS, THERE'LL BE PEOPLE THAT BE ABLE TO RESPOND IN A, IN A, UH, UM, IN A EXPEDITED FASHION QUICKLY TO GET THERE WITH THIS DEVICE.

AND THEN THAT 250,000 WILL ALSO COVER THE TRAINING.

DOES THAT COVER THE TRAINING FOR THAT? WE COVER THE OVERTIME FOR TRAINING.

IT COVERS THE CANISTERS.

ALL, ALL THE, ALL THE LOGISTICS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU CHIEF.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU CHIEF.

THANK YOU.

[32. Resolution No. 5723 Authorizing the City Manager to Expand, Amend, and Extend Five Water Conservation Rebate Programs; and Further Authorizing the City Manager to Apply for and Accept Grant Funds from the Water Infrastructure Finance Authority Related to Four Water Conservation Measures Move City Council pass and adopt Resolution No. 5723 authorizing the City Manager to expand, amend, and extend five water conservation rebate programs; and further authorizing the City Manager to apply for and accept funds from WIFA related to four water conservation measures. Council Focus Area(s):]

AND COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINAS, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART, VICE MAYOR ORLANDO, UH, ALL CHIMED IN ON THIS ONE.

SO WATER CONSERVATION REBATE PROGRAM, WATER.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

JUST GONNA MAKE SURE I HAVE THIS IN THE RIGHT MODE.

MY NAME IS SIMONE JULES RUDE.

I'M THE WATER RESOURCES MANAGER AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT OUR NEW WATER CONSERVATION REBATE PROGRAMS.

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SO WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PRESENT TO YOU THE PROPOSAL FOR SOME CHANGES, UH, BOTH EXPANDING SOME EXISTING PROGRAMS AND THEN ALSO ADDING SOME NEW REBATE PROGRAMS FOR OUR WATER CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT.

THE FIRST REBATE PRO.

FIRST I'LL COVER THE RESIDENTIAL REBATES, UM, AND THEN I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UH, SOME PROPOSALS FOR THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THINGS.

THE FIRST REBATE PROPOSAL IS TO INCREASE THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL GRASS REMOVAL PROGRAM.

AND SO THAT WOULD GO FROM THE CURRENT REBATE OF 20 CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT OF GRASS REMOVED ALL THE WAY TO A DOLLAR PER SQUARE FOOT.

WE WOULD ALSO BE PROPOSING REDUCING THE MINIMUM FROM A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET TO 500 SQUARE FEET AND INCLUDING AN ARTIFICIAL TURF LIMIT OF A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET MAXIMUM IN THAT POLICY, THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SMART CONTROLLER PROGRAM WOULD NOT BE, UH, CHANGING.

IT WOULD BE THE EXACT SAME AS IT IS NOW.

WE WOULD CONTINUE THAT PROGRAM ON WITH THE REIMBURSEMENT OF 50% OF THE COST OF A CONTROLLER UP TO $250.

WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO WORK TOWARDS DEVELOPING A CUSTOMER ENGAGEMENT PORTAL, WHICH IS GOING TO BE, UH, INTEGRATED WITH ADVANCED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE AS THAT PROCESS MOVES FORWARD.

SO THIS ALLOWS CUSTOMERS TO RECEIVE, UM, REAL-TIME ALERTS IF THEY HAVE A LEAK OR, UM, ANY KIND OF CHANGE IN WATER USE.

IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW THEM TO SIGN UP FOR VARIOUS CONSERVATION PROGRAMS, REBATE PROGRAMS. AND THE, UM, THE LAST CHANGE TO THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF THINGS IS THAT WE WOULD PROPOSE ELIMINATING THE NEW HOME INITIAL ZEROSCAPE REBATE.

UH, WE JUST HAVEN'T SEEN VERY MUCH PARTICIPATION IN THAT PROGRAM.

SO THE NON-RESIDENTIAL REBATES, WE HAVE A FEW NEW PROGRAMS. UM, THE FIRST IS THE LARGE LANDSCAPE GRASS REMOVAL, AND THAT WOULD REIMBURSE 25%.

AND THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD BE FOR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, H O A MULTIFAMILY, ANY KIND OF LARGE LANDSCAPED AREA WHERE WE WOULD, UM, SIMONE, COULD YOU CHANGE THE SLIDE? OH, SORRY.

THERE YOU GO.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

SO THIS WOULD COVER A REIMBURSEMENT OF UP TO 25% OF THE COST OF THE PROJECT WITH A MAXIMUM OF $75,000.

UM, ONE IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS PROGRAM IS THAT THERE WOULD ALSO BE AN ADDITIONAL INCENTIVE FOR REMOVING NON-FUNCTIONAL GRASS.

AND WE WOULD PAY $3 A SQUARE FOOT FOR, UM, SPECIFIC AREAS OF NON-FUNCTIONAL GRASS WHERE WE KNOW THAT WE WILL SEE A HIGHER WATER SAVINGS IN THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS.

AND IF, IF WE WANTED TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE DETAILS OF HOW WE DEFINE NON, NON-FUNCTIONAL GRASS, WE CAN, I'M GONNA HAVE TO ASK OUR PROGRAM MANAGER TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

'CAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE COMPLEX HOW WE MEASURE SLOPE AND, YOU KNOW, HOW WIDE THE STRIP IS, HOW CLOSE TO THE STREET IS, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ACTIVELY USED BY, UM, HUMANS.

UM, SO PERHAPS YOU COULD JUST SEND THAT TO US AFTERWARDS.

OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD.

BUT, BUT THAT ADDITIONAL INCENTIVE REALLY IS A, UM, A HELPFUL WAY OF MAKING THOSE PARTICULAR, EACH OF THOSE PROGRAMS EVEN MORE WATER EFFICIENT BY SAVING MORE MONEY ON THOSE PARTICULAR TYPES OF TURF.

AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT PROGRAM IS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 5,000 SQUARE FEET OF GRASS BEING REMOVED TO QUALIFY FOR THAT PROGRAM.

THE SECOND NEW PROGRAM IS THE WATER EFFICIENT TECHNOLOGY REBATE, AND THAT WOULD REIMBURSE 50% OF THE COST OF THE NEW TECHNOLOGY UP TO $10,000.

AND THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, ANY KIND OF WATER EFFICIENCY TECHNOLOGY THAT HAS REAL TIME MONITORING AND ALERTS BUILT INTO IT.

SO THAT COULD BE FOR, UM, IMPROVING THE WATER EFFICIENCY OF A COOLING TOWER.

IT COULD BE FOR LARGE, UM, LANDSCAPE AREAS WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING, UM, A VERY LARGE SMART CONTROLLER SYSTEM IN THAT HAS FLOW SENSORS AND, UM, MORE THAN JUST KIND OF A STANDARD SMART CONTROLLER.

THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT KINDS OF, UM, LEAK DETECTION TECHNOLOGIES.

AND WE ALSO WANNA EMBRACE ANY NEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT MIGHT COME OUT.

SO WE WE'RE REALLY OPEN TO, UM, AN ANY TYPE OF NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT WOULD IMPROVE WATER EFFICIENCY.

AND AGAIN, THAT PROGRAM IS, IT'S DESIGNED TO INCENTIVIZE, UM, WATER EFFICIENCY TO IMPLEMENT THESE TECHNOLOGIES THAT, UH, WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE IN LIKE A COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, MAYBE A LARGE LANDSCAPE FACILITY.

AND THEN THE LAST IS THE LARGE LANDSCAPE SMART CONTROLLER REBATE.

THIS IS NOT NEW BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A SMART CONTROLLER PROGRAM, BUT THIS IS A, UM, MORE TARGETED TOWARDS COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL H O A FACILITIES WHERE WE'RE NOT LIMITING IT TO JUST ONE CONTROLLER.

IT COULD BE UP TO FIVE SMART CONTROLLERS OR EVEN, UH, LIKE ONE CENTRAL CONTROL SYSTEM THAT HAS A HUNDRED DIFFERENT CONTROLLERS AS PART OF THE SYSTEM.

SO VERY LARGE AREAS.

AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO MENTION SOME OF THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT WOULD HELP TO SUPPORT THESE PROGRAMS.

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THOSE WOULD BE FUNDED THROUGH OUR WATER CONSERVATION BUDGET THAT IS ALREADY, UM, PLANNED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024.

I WILL MENTION THAT THAT BUDGET HAD A $500,000 INCREASE TO HELP SUPPORT THOSE PROGRAMS AND, AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PROGRAMS AS WELL.

BUT WE HAD A, UM, A NICE INCREASE THERE TO HELP WITH THAT.

THE LARGE LANDSCAPE GRASS REMOVAL THAT I MENTIONED WAS ACTUALLY, UM, JUST RECENTLY AWARDED A GRANT THROUGH THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCE AUTHORITY.

SO THERE WAS A $975,000 GRANT AWARDED TO SUPPORT THAT PROGRAM JUST LAST MONTH.

AND THEN THE WATER EFFICIENCY TECHNOLOGY, WE HAVE APPLIED FOR A W A GRANT OF A ONE 1.5 MILLION THAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO SEE BOARD APPROVAL, UM, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER NEXT MONTH.

SO THAT GOES ACTUALLY NEXT WEEK, IT GOES TO COMMITTEE FOR APPROVAL AND THEN IT'LL GO TO THE FULL BOARD IN OCTOBER.

WE DID ALSO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR A PROJECT TO REMOVE THAT SAME NON-FUNCTIONAL GRASS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT FROM PUBLIC PROPERTY.

SO THAT COULD BE PARKS, STREETS, STORMWATER, RETENTION BASINS, POTENTIALLY EVEN SCHOOLS.

UM, AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING ON THAT YET, BUT WE EXPECT TO HEAR SOMETHING WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.

SO THAT'S NOT A REBATE PROGRAM, BUT IT IS A PROGRAM THAT WE'RE HOPING WOULD HELP TO, UM, FUND SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.

AND THEN LAST, I'LL JUST MENTION THAT WATER CONSERVATION CUSTOMER ENGAGEMENT PORTAL THAT I MENTIONED WOULD BE INTEGRATED WITH OUR ADVANCED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE.

UM, WE DID SUBMIT A W A GRANT REQUEST OF $150,000 TO HELP COVER THAT PORTAL.

AND THAT WAS APPROVED IN COMMITTEE ALREADY AND IT, IT ACTUALLY GOES TO THE FULL W A BOARD FOR APPROVAL THIS WEEK.

NICE.

NICE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINA.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, OBVIOUSLY WATER CONSERVATION HAS BEEN A BIG PRIORITY HERE IN CHANDLER AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THESE ADDITIONAL, UM, CHANGES TO ADAPT TO THE CHANGES IN THE CITY THAT ARE GOING ON.

TRENDS IN WHAT, SO ONE QUICK QUESTION OR A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

WHICH OF THESE INCENTIVES HAS BEEN THE WIDELY USED BY WHETHER RESIDENTS OR COMMERCIAL, UM, USERS AND HOW, WHAT IS OUR PLAN TO COMMUNICATE THESE NEW CHANGES TO PROMOTE IT, TO HELP TO GET PEOPLE TO USE THEM EVEN MORE? THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINA, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.

WE, WE HAVE MOSTLY TRADITIONALLY FOCUSED ON MORE OF OUR RESIDENTIAL PROGRAMS. A LOT OF OUR REBATE PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE TO COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS.

BUT, UM, JUST TO BE HONEST, THE INCENTIVE WASN'T SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO REALLY MAKE IT WORTH IT FOR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS OR LARGE LANDSCAPE KIND OF H O A CUSTOMERS.

SO THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THESE NEW PROGRAMS IS TO REALLY OFFER PROGRAMS THAT ARE TARGETED BOTH TO BOTH AUDIENCES.

SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD, OUR, OUR MOST USED PROGRAM HAS DEFINITELY BEEN OUR RESIDENTIAL GRASS REMOVAL.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE SOME PROGRAMS THAT ARE NOT REBATES WHERE, UM, CUSTOMERS CAN CALL US UP AND ASK US TO COME OUT AND VISIT THEIR HOME.

AND WE DO WATERWISE SITE VISITS AND AUDITS, AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE QUITE A LENGTHY LIST OF WATER CONSERVATION PROGRAMS THAT ARE NOT REBATES.

WE HAVE WONDERFUL EDUCATION PROGRAMS. LIKE I, I CAN TELL YOU ALL ABOUT SOME OF THOSE IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

BUT AS FAR AS REBATES, THE GRASS REMOVAL HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST ONE.

AND WE DO HAVE A, A PRETTY EXTENSIVE CAMPAIGN GOING OUT.

UM, ASSUMING THAT WE RECEIVE SUPPORT FOR THESE PROGRAMS AND WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM, UH, WE WOULD PLAN TO LAUNCH A CAMPAIGN, UM, AS SOON AS EVEN LIKE A WEEK FROM NOW BY EARLY OCTOBER.

UH, SO THERE'S A PRESS RELEASE THAT WOULD GO OUT.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A THIRD PARTY DIGITAL MARKETING FIRM THAT HAS HELPED US TO DESIGN SOME DIGITAL MEDIA CAMPAIGNS.

WE HAVE, UM, MULTIPLE DIFFERENT FORUMS, BOTH IN PERSON EDUCATION EVENTS AND THEN ALSO, UM, NEWSLETTERS AND, AND AND PRINT AS WELL.

SO THERE'S A, OUR KAPPA HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF HELPING US PLAN FOR HOW TO ANNOUNCE THESE PROGRAMS. GOT YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.

ONE OTHER LAST QUESTION I HAVE.

OBVIOUSLY THIS PROGRAM IS KIND OF MORE PROMOTING FOR GRASS REMOVAL, MORE TURF STYLE TYPE OF THING, WHICH IS, IS GREAT.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE WATER CONSERVATION.

IS THERE ANY CONCERNS AS FAR AS LIKE HEAT ASPECTS HERE IN THE DESERT AND THOSE TYPE OF EFFECTS? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, MAYOR.

COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINAS, WE, WE ARE VERY CONSCIOUS IN PLANNING THESE PROGRAMS ABOUT HOW IT IMPACTS HEAT ISLAND EFFECT.

SO ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR GRASS, OUR GRASS REMOVAL PROGRAMS, IF, UM, THERE ARE KIND OF A LENGTHY LIST OF REQUIREMENTS IN THE POLICIES FOR THESE PROGRAMS. IF YOUR, IF YOUR APPLICATION IS APPROVED, ONE OF THEM IS THAT THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO, UH, WHEN YOU REMOVE GRASS, YOU NEED TO PUT IN AT LEAST 50% GROUND COVERAGE.

SO THINGS LIKE TREES, SHRUBS, THINGS THAT ARE GONNA CREATE SHADE IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE THAT HEAT ISLAND IMPACT.

THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.

OKAY.

THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S FAIR.

THANK YOU MAYOR SIMON, GREAT JOB AS USUAL.

APPRECIATE YOU AND THE STAFF WORKING ON THIS.

BUT SOMEONE, ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S DONE THIS

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SO, UH, WE'RE APPROACHING IT MORE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF REDUCING WATER USE.

AND SO WE'RE STARTING WITH THE HIGHER WATER USE.

UM, CURRENTLY, IF THEY'RE CURRENTLY ALREADY IN DESERT LANDSCAPING, THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T MAKE IT TO THE TOP OF OUR LIST.

BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY PROMOTING ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS TO EVERYONE.

YEAH, I'M THINKING IF THEY COULD REPLANT DESERT TREES FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, PALO VERDES OR SOMETHING, UH, THAT ONCE WE'RE THERE, BUT THEY'RE KNOCKING 'EM DOWN AND I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST SOMETHING AS YOU GET, AS YOU TALK TO OTHER CITIES AND COMMUNITIES, SEE IF THERE'S OTHER PROGRAMS OUT THERE WE CAN INCENTIVIZE THEM TO REPLANT SOME OF THOSE, UM, THOSE TYPE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, SHRUBS AND BUSHES.

AGAIN, THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.

'CAUSE THEY WERE THERE AT ONE TIME AND WHO KNOWS HOW MANY TIMES THAT PROPERTY FLIPPED OR SOMETHING.

SO JUST CURIOUS.

ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILS MEMBER STEWART.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UM, ISN'T THAT COVERED BY CODE? THE, THE, UH, TREES THAT ARE ON THE COMMERCIAL LOTS? AREN'T THEY SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE, DOES OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT? WELL, YOU WOULD.

I CAN ASK SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S FOR ANOTHER, MAYBE FOR ANOTHER MEETING.

BUT IT'S A GREAT, BUT IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINAS BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT ABOUT THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT.

LIKE WE MAKE THESE CHANGES AND THAT ALL SEEMS GOOD.

AND WE'VE ASKED OUR NEIGHBORS TO DO A TON, LIKE OVER AND OVER YEAR AFTER YEAR, AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE, UH, HEATED THE CALL RIGHT TO, TO CONSERVE WATER.

AND SO WE NEED TO KEEP TALKING TO OUR COMMERCIAL, UM, CUSTOMERS AND FOLKS LIKE THAT.

I THINK WE'VE ASKED ENOUGH OF OUR RESIDENTS AT THIS POINT, BUT THESE RESIDENT, THESE REBATES ARE GREAT.

SO TO STAY ON THAT POINT, I NOTICED A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN WHAT WE GIVE.

WE GIVE A DOLLAR PER SQUARE FOOT TO RESIDENTS, BUT THREE TO COMMERCIAL IS THAT WHAT I, UH, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART? SO THE, THE $3 PER SQUARE FOOT INCENTIVE IS, UM, IT'S SPECIFIC TO A, A TYPE OF WHAT WE CALL NON-FUNCTIONAL GRASS.

SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, GENERALLY WE, IT'S ALSO KNOWN AS ORNAMENTAL GRASS.

SO YOU TEND TO FIND IN VERY, VERY LARGE LANDSCAPES, IT WOULDN'T SO MUCH NECESSARILY EXIST ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, BUT IN LARGE LANDSCAPES, UM, OFTEN THERE'S MAYBE WAY OUT IN FRONT, NEAR A FOUNTAIN, THERE'S A BUNCH OF GRASS, BUT IT'S NOT A PIECE OF GRASS THAT ANYBODY EVER USES AND IT COULD VERY EASILY BE CONVERTED OR, UM, VERY NARROW STRIPS OF GRASS THAT ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO WATER EFFICIENTLY.

SO, AND CER AND ALSO GRASS THAT'S ON A SLOPE WHERE, UH, IT'S VERY HARD TO GET THE WATER TO SINK INTO THE SOIL TO THE ROOTS.

IT JUST KIND OF RUNS OFF BECAUSE OF THE SLOPE.

SO THERE'S VARIOUS DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, AREAS OF GRASS THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS NON-FUNCTIONAL GRASS.

AND THOSE ARE REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AIM FOR.

JUST ADDING AN EXTRA INCENTIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE LARGE LANDSCAPE CUSTOMERS ARE FOCUSED ON WANTING TO REMOVE THAT, THOSE, THAT TYPE OF AREA FIRST.

SURE.

WELL THAT GREAT EXPLANATION.

THANK YOU.

I, I CITY MANAGER, I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE PARODY, UH, IN, IN THOSE REBATES FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND FOR COMMERCIAL.

I SEE GRASSING GRASS, I THINK OUR WRITTEN NEIGHBORS WOULD SAY THE SAME THING.

UM, AND THEN I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT, IT'S $5.7 MILLION.

IS THE TOTAL COST OF THIS PROGRAM, IF EVERYBODY USED IT ALL UP, IS THAT ANNUAL? SO, UH, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART, THE TOTAL COST, THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE, EACH OF THE GRANT FUNDS, I BELIEVE IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.