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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
REGULAR MEETING AT REGULAR MEETING FOR JUNE 7TH.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRMAN HEMAN.
FIRST NEXT ITEM WAS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY THE VICE CHAIR.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
[ Scheduled/Unscheduled Public Appearances Members of the audience may address any item not on the agenda. State Statute prohibits the Board or Commission from discussing an item that is not on the agenda, but the Board or Commission does listen to your concerns and has staff follow up on any questions you raise.]
SO I DO HAVE A FEW SPEAKER I FEW CARDS FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE, THE HONEY CYCLE GROUP.SO, UM, ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE WAYNE, I, UM, TY SCHUMANN, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM OR ARE YOU JUST OPPOSED TO IT? JUST OPPOSED.
WILL THE CH I HAVE A QUESTION FROM DEEDEE.
I APOLOGIZE FOR BUTCHERING YOUR LAST NAME HERE, BUT, UM, WILL THE CHANGE THE ZONING FOR OTHER PROPERTIES JUST EAST OF THE PARCEL ON CHANNEL BOULEVARD STAFF? WILL YOU ADDRESS THAT ON NUMBER FIVE? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE, UH, REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE SUBJECT SITE ONLY AND WILL NOT AFFECT ANY SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AND THEN ITEM NUMBER NINE, AMOS VANCE.
I DO NOT WANT MORE MUSIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AMOS, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK ON THE ITEM OR YOU JUST WANNA STATE YOUR OPPOSITION? IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND, UM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD UP ON THE DI RIGHT HERE PLEASE.
I SENT, I'M REPRESENTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THIS, THEY THINK IF THEY COMPLAIN OR STAND UP FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY MAY BE GOING AGAINST THE CITY.
SO THEY DEPEND ON THE CITY TO MAKE DECISIONS.
I LIVE ABOUT 30 FEET FROM THE PERCH AND THE MUSIC IS LOUD ENOUGH THERE.
I HAVE FOAM ON MY BEDROOM ON THE WALLS, AND I HAVE EARPLUGS HAVING MORE MUSIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S A NECESSITY.
THIS, THIS ENTERTAINMENT, UH, PERMIT IS JUST RIGHT NEXT TO THE CHURCH.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'D HAVE SUCH LOUD MUSIC RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
FOR ONE, A LOT OF, THERE'S HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET AND RIGHT NEXT ON MY NEXT LOT, SO I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER, CUZ I NEVER DID SEE THE SITE MAP UNTIL I SEE IT ON THE TV.
SO WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE MUSIC IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU ADDRESS THE QUESTION I HAD EARLIER ON THE TYPE OF MUSIC, ESPECIALLY EARLY IN THE MORNING ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
UM, YES, I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE APPLICANT AND HE STATED THAT THE MUSIC THAT WOULD BE PLAYING, UM, 10:00 AM IN THE MORNING WOULD JUST BE SPEAKERS WHICH ARE A PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
SO IT WOULD BE, UM, SPEAKERS AND IT WOULD NOT BE UNREASONABLY LOUD TO DISTURB AREA RESIDENTS.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY SPEAKERS? IT WOULD BE MUSIC OVER THE SPEAKERS AND NOT LIVE BANDS.
WHAT, WHAT DO WHAT IS MEANT BY JUST SPEAKERS? SOMEBODY SPEAKING? NO, IT WOULD JUST BE MUSIC OVER THE SPEAKERS, NOT LIVE BANDS COMING THROUGH THE SPEAKERS AT 10:00 AM IN THE MORNING.
SO MORE LIKE JUST MUSIC FROM CDS BEING PLAYED OR BACKGROUND MUSIC GOING ON.
I KNOW WE HAD ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THEN ON NUMBER, SORRY.
DO YOU WANNA READ THAT INTO THE RECORD PLEASE? YES.
SO THE FOLLOWING CONDITION OF APPROVAL WILL BE ADDED TO, UM, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS, UH, CROWN CHEVRON.
IT'S GONNA BE, UH, CONDITION NUMBER FIVE.
THE APPLICANT SHALL WORK WITH STAFF, UH, TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL TREES ON SITE.
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I I WANNA ADDRESS NUMBER NINE FOR A SECOND, UM, TO MR. VANCE.UM, THIS COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'VE PUT IN THERE, UM, INTO THIS.
THERE'S A ONE YEAR TIME STEP, SO IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, THERE IS ALSO HIS PHONE NUMBER FOR, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, ADDRESS IT WHERE YOU CAN CALL.
UH, BUT AGAIN, IT HAS A ONE YEAR TIME STEP.
SO IF THE APPLICANT IS NOT BEING GOOD NEIGHBOR AND THE MUSIC'S ABOVE WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK HERE IN A YEAR.
AND IN THAT CASE, THE PERMIT MIGHT BE BE ISSUED.
SO I SPECIFICALLY ASKED WHAT TYPE OF MUSIC WAS GONNA BE PLAYED, ESPECIALLY IN THE EARLY MORNINGS, AND I HOPE THESE GUYS ARE GONNA BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
THEY, I, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RESTAURANT'S BEEN FAIRLY SUCCESSFUL.
UM, IT'S PART OF OUR WHOLE, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN ENTERTAINMENT AREA, BUT I DO HEAR YOU AND I THINK THEY, THEY NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT, THAT THEY'RE TRYING NOT TO DISTURB THE NEIGHBORS.
THAT'S WHY I WAS QUESTIONING EARLY MORNING MUSIC, UM, IN TERMS OF THAT AS WELL AND STUFF.
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TO THE AUDIENCE, WE HAVE A STUDY SESSION PRIOR TO THIS WHERE WE DISCUSSED ITEMS ONE THROUGH 10.UM, IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE OTHER THAN THE CARDS THAT I GOT THAT WANT TO TALK ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS? OKAY, SCENE.
COMMISSION'S PLEASURE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR.
I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS.
OKAY, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
I'M NOT SURE WHO GOT THE SECOND, BUT STAFF JULIE, GET WHICH ONE? OKAY, WE'LL GIVE IT TO THE, WE'LL GIVE IT TO THE NEWBY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.
CLOSED MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
[11. Rezoning, Preliminary Development Plan, and Preliminary Plat, PLH22-0018/ PLT22-0017 Honeysuckle Trail, located at the Northwest corner of Warner Road and Bullmoose Drive, approximately ½ mile west of Dobson Road. Rezoning Move Planning and Zoning Commission recommend approval of Rezoning PLH22-0018 Honeysuckle Trail, Rezoning from Single-Family District (SF-33) to Planned Area Development (PAD) for single-family residential and a City Park, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning staff. Preliminary Development Plan Move Planning and Zoning Commission recommend approval of Preliminary Development Plan PLH22-0018 Honeysuckle Trail for subdivision layout and housing product, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning staff. Preliminary Plat Move Planning and Zoning Commission recommend approval of Preliminary Plat, PLT22-0017 Honeysuckle Trail, subject to the condition as recommended by Planning staff.]
ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 11.UH, STAFF, DO YOU WANNA MAKE A PRESENTATION FOR THE AUDIENCE? WHAT WE'LL DO IS STAFF WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION, WE'LL GO TO THE APPLICANT TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION, AND THEN I'LL GO TO THE SPEAKER CARDS.
IF ANYBODY, BESIDES WHAT I HAVE UP HERE, IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE ELSE TO SPEAK, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND GIVE IT TO OUR CLERK.
GOOD EVENING, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS.
UH, TONIGHT ON YOUR ACTION AGENDA, WE HAVE, UH, ITEM 11 P L H 2218, AND P L T 2217 HONEYSUCKLE TRAIL, THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF, UH, REQUESTS AS PART OF THIS REQUEST, SO I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH IT, UH, A COUPLE OF TIMES THROUGH THIS POWERPOINT.
BUT THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS A REZONING FROM SF 33, SINGLE FAMILY TO PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND A CITY PARK, A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR SUBDIVISION LAYOUT AND HOUSING PRODUCT, AS WELL AS A PRELIMINARY PLANT FOR A 48 LOT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION IN CITY PARK WITH RETENTION.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED, UH, AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WARNER AND BO MOOSE.
UH, IT'S APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER OF A MILE FROM DOBSON AND WARNER.
THE SUBJECT SITE, UH, FRONTS ONTO WARNER ROAD AND AN AN EXISTING CHURCH, OR A DILAPIDATED CHURCH EXISTS ON SITE, UH, WITH EXISTING, UH, RETENTION ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
TO THE EAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE IS A COLLECTOR STREET, BOMO DRIVE, AND EAST OF THAT IS A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION ZONED SFA 0.5.
UH, THE ORANGE TREE SUBDIVISION OF LOTS, UM, AVERAGING 7,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS TO THE NORTH.
WE HAVE EL ALBA WAY AND SINGLE FAMILY ZONE PROPERTIES, UH, SF 18 AND THEN TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, ALL OF THAT LAND IS UNINCORPORATED AND CURRENTLY LOCATED WITHIN MARICOPA COUNTY ALONG WARNER ROAD AT THE, UH, SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE, THE, OF THE PROPOSED SITE.
UH, THERE IS A SCHOOL, UH, THE FOUNDATION FOR THE SCHOOL FOR THE BLIND.
THERE'S TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE ZONED, UH, RURAL AGRARIAN WITHIN THE COUNTY.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE A, A CITY OPERATED WATER PRODUCTION FACILITY, AS WELL AS, UH, ADDITIONAL UNINCORPORATED, UH, RURAL RESIDENTIAL
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PROPERTIES NORTH OF THAT.TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE PROPERTY, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY IN 1979.
IT WAS ZONED WITH THE PROPERTY INDICATED IN THE BLUE, UH, WITH THE LARGER SUBDIVISION AROUND.
THE PROPOSED PROPERTY WAS ZONED SF 33, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME PER UH, LOT, UH, MINIMUM LOT SIZE WOULD BE 33,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST, UH, WERE GIVEN A ZONING OF SF UH, SEVEN, WHICH WERE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AT AVERAGE, 7,000 SQUARE FEET AND NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THOSE LOTS WERE GIVEN, UH, SF 18.
IT WAS ONE ZONING CASE WITH THE THREE DIFFERENT LAND CLASSIFICATIONS.
IN THAT CASE, THERE WAS A PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT, OR THERE WAS A PLAT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED.
UM, AND THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY WAS IDENTIFIED AS A TRACK FOR RETENTION.
IT WAS PRIVATELY OWNED, BUT IT WAS RETENTION FOR THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION TO THE EAST.
UM, AT THAT TIME, THE PROPERTY WAS, UH, OWNED BY A CHURCH A YEAR LATER IN 1980, BECAUSE A CHURCH ISN'T PERMITTED BY RIGHT ON AN SF 33 PROPERTY, THEY ACQUIRED A USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR A CHURCH.
SO THE, THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, UH, IS FROM 1986.
SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, UH, SEVEN YEARS AFTER BEING, BEING ANNEXED.
YOU CAN SEE THE SUBDIVISION FILLED IN AND DEVELOPED WITH THE CHURCH DEVELOPING AS WELL.
IN THE CIRCLE, YOU'LL SEE THE CHURCH WITH THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY BEING USED AS RETENTION.
UH, THE CHURCH, UH, HAS OPERATED FOR, FOR DECADES.
UM, BUT AT ONE POINT THE PASTOR BECAME ILL, AND AT THAT TIME, UH, FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND, THE RETENTION BASIN WAS NOT BEING MAINTAINED AND SILK WAS BUILDING UP INTO THE AREAS.
FAST FORWARD TO 2014, SEPTEMBER, 2014, THERE WAS A, UH, LARGE STORM THAT OCCURRED HERE IN CHANDLER.
UM, THE PICTURE IN FRONT OF YOU SHOWS YOU, UH, STANDING IN OR STANDING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BASIN LOOKING EAST INTO THE COMMUNITY WATER IN INUNDATED THE RETENTION BASIN GOING UP OVER THE STREET AND ONTO THE SINGLE FAMILY DRIVEWAYS JUST REACHING THEIR GARAGE DOORS.
UH, RETENTION BASINS ARE REQUIRED TO HOLD, UM, A HUNDRED YEAR, TWO HOUR STORM.
AND IF I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY, IT'S 2.2 INCHES.
THIS STORM DROPPED ABOUT THREE TIMES THAT AMOUNT.
AND BEING, UM, NOT BUILT TO CURRENT STANDARDS AND NOT BEING MAINTAINED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, IT FLOODED THE, THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS PART OF, UM, MY PACKET THAT WAS SENT TO YOU, UH, ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS PROVIDED A, A PACKET OF PICTURES FROM, UH, MANY ANGLES THROUGHOUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S A HOME BUILDER, NEW VILLAGE HOMES.
THEY SUBMITTED A ZONING APPLICATION, UH, TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR 57 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UH, THEY WERE GONNA KEEP THE RETENTION BASIN AS THE CITY AT THE TIME SAID THEY HAD NO DESIRE TO MAINTAIN OR TAKE OVER RESPONSIBILITY OF THE, OF THE BASIN.
UH, UNDER THIS PROPOSAL, THERE WAS GOING TO BE PRIVATE AMENITIES IN BETWEEN THE SUBDIVISION AND THE RETENTION BASIN.
UH, WE LATER FOUND OUT IN REVIEWING THE PLANS, THAT AT THAT TIME THE, THE CALCULATIONS WERE INCORRECT AND IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SUFFICE THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF, OF RETENTION REQUIRED.
AND DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF OPPOSITION, UH, THE CASE WAS WITHDRAWN IN JULY OF 2019.
SO, WE COME BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH A REQUEST.
UH, THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS A REZONING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM SF 33 TO PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND A CITY PARK.
THERE'S AN ASSOCIATED PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A SUBDIVISION LAYOUT AND INCLUDES THE HOUSING PRODUCT FOR THE SUBDIVISION, UH, AS WELL AS A PRELIMINARY PLA FOR THE 48 LOT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION AND CITY PARK WITH RETENTION.
I'M GONNA BREAK THIS UP INTO TWO PORTIONS.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE NORTH TO THE PARK.
ALL RIGHT, SO ON THE SOUTH, UM, UH, K H IS, UH, A HOME BUILDER HERE IN THE VALLEY.
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TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.THEY'RE PROPOSING 48 LOTS WITHIN EIGHT ACRES THAT THOSE ACRES ARE ONLY OUTLINED IN GREEN.
THEY WERE UNABLE TO USE ANY OF THE ACRES FROM THE PARK OR THE RE RETENTION BASIN TO THE NORTH TO EQUATE TOWARDS THEIR DENSITY.
SO WITH THOSE EIGHT ACRES AND THE 48 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, THEY'RE COMING IN AT EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE.
THE STANDARD LOT SIZES ARE, UH, 4,000 TO 6,859 SQUARE FEET.
THE SMALLEST LOT, UH, IS 40 BY 100 FEET.
THE SUBDIVISION IS PROVIDING PUBLIC STREETS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
UH, TRAFFIC HAS REVIEWED THIS PLAN AS WELL AS FIRE AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE SIGNED OFF ON THE DESIGN OF IT.
UH, EACH PROPERTY OR EACH HOME, PARDON ME, WILL HAVE A, UH, TWO CAR GARAGE AS WELL AS A DRIVEWAY TO ALLOW FOR TWO VEHICLES TO PARK.
ALL OF THE 48 HOMES BEING PROPOSED ARE TWO-STORY WITH A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 30 FEET.
THE PERIMETER WALL ALONG WARNER ROAD, UH, VARIES, AND AT SOME POINTS IT'S 10 FEET, BUT AT CERTAIN POINTS, IT, UM, MEANDERS FROM 10 TO 15 FEET.
AND, UH, AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, IT GETS AS DEEP AS 58 FEET TO ALLOW FOR PLANTINGS OF TREES OUT ALONG WARNER ROAD AND TO BREAK UP THE WALL.
LAUREN, I I DON'T WANNA INTERRUPT, BUT DO YOU WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING? YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE EIGHT ACRES.
IT ONLY CAN INCLUDE WHERE THE HOMES ARE IN A NORMAL DEVELOPMENT, WHERE THE OPEN SPACE WOULD BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE DENSITY, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO IF YOU THROW THAT IN, IT WOULD BE A LOT LESS THAN SIX PER ACRE, BUT BECAUSE IT'S BEING DEEDED TO THE CITY OR THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT CHANGES WHY THE DENSITY SEEMS TO BE HIGH.
I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT AS PART OF THIS REQUEST, THERE'S A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR HOUSING PRODUCT.
THE HOME BUILDER IS PROVIDING FOUR SEPARATE FLOOR PLANS WITH THREE ARCHITECTURAL THEMES, INCLUDING SPANISH, SPANISH, MODERN, FARMHOUSE, AND CONTEMPORARY.
THE HOMES BEING PROPOSED ARE RANGED FROM 1,979 SQUARE FEET TO 2,640 SQUARE FOOT.
THE BUILDING SETBACKS FOR THESE HOMES ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT, THE FRONT SETBACK WOULD BE 20 FEET FROM BACK, A SIDEWALK TO FRONT OF THE GARAGE TO ALLOW FOR VEHICLES TO PARK AND NOT OVERHANG THE SIDEWALK.
AND THEN 13 FEET IN THE FRONT FOR ANY LIVABLE OR, UH, FRONT PATIOS SIDE YARDS.
FOR THIS, UH, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN FIVE FEET ON EACH SIDE OF THE HOME.
AND REAR YARD SETBACKS ARE 10 FEET, UH, WITH THE ABILITY TO REDUCE THAT SETBACK TO FIVE FEET FOR ANY ACCESSORY BUILDINGS.
NOW MOVING TO THE NORTH, THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY FROM SF 33 TO, UH, P A D FOR A CITY PARK WITH RETENTION.
THERE WAS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTED, AND IT HAS BEEN EVALUATED BY CITY ENGINEERS, AND WE CAN CONFIRM THAT THE BASIN CAN RETAIN THAT ACQUIRED THE REQUIRED VOLUME CALCULATIONS BETWEEN THE PARK AND THE RETENTION BASIN.
IT'S TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 4.5 ACRES.
AND NOW LET ME BREAK THAT DOWN FOR YOU.
SO, ON THE SOUTH PORTION OF IT, WHICH WOULD BE BETWEEN THE SUBDIVISION AND THE RETENTION BASIN, THE HOME BUILDER IS, IS PROVIDING, UH, THEY'RE GOING OUT THERE AND REGRADING THE ENTIRE SITE TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, RETENTION FOR ALL SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, INCLUDING THEIRS.
AND THEY PLAN ON BUILDING A PARK.
UH, THE PARK WILL BE 1.7 ACRES LARGE, AND IT WILL INCLUDE A TOT LOT, A SHADED RAMADA WITH SEATING AND A BARBECUE AREA.
UH, IT'LL BE TURF WITH SIDEWALKS LEADING DOWN INTO THE AREA NORTH OF THAT.
IN ORDER TO GET A USABLE PUBLIC PARK OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, THE RETENTION BASIN HAD TO BE, UH, DEEP IN ORDER TO, UH, ACCUMULATE ALL THAT WATER.
SO THE RETENTION BASIN IS 2.8 ACRES LARGE, AND IT'S SECURED WITH VIEW FENCING DUE TO THE DEPTH OF IT.
IT'S, UH, PROPOSED AT FIVE FEET.
MARICOPA COUNTY REQUIRES ANYTHING OVER 3.4 FEET DEEP TO BE SECURED BECAUSE IT, IT COULD POOL UPON COMPLETION.
THE CITY WILL OWN AND MAINTAIN BOTH THE RETENTION BASIN AND THE PARK.
THIS IS BEING PROCESSED THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH WOULD BE HEARD BEFORE CITY
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COUNCIL, UM, AS WELL, UH, WITH THE ZONING CASE.ONE OF THE RESIDENTS YEARS AGO BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION THAT IN THIS AREA, THERE'S NO, UH, PARK WITHIN THEIR SQUARE MILE.
THIS EXHIBIT IS TAKEN FROM, UH, OUR EXISTING CITY PARKS.
UH, WITHIN OUR GENERAL PLAN, THE CIRCLE IS THE SQUARE MILE BETWEEN WARNER TO ELLIOT FROM DOBSON TO PRICE.
IN THIS AREA, THERE'S NO, NO PUBLIC PARK FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO ATTEND.
ALL RIGHT, SO AS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS WE REQUESTED THIS BEYOND ACTION IS, UM, WE'VE HEARD A LOT FROM RESIDENTS IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY HAD, UH, THEY WERE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, BUT DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF ATTENDEES FROM THE FIRST, UH, WE REQUESTED THAT A SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING BE HELD.
THE FIRST WAS HELD IN ON JANUARY 10TH, AND THE SECOND APRIL 12TH OF THIS YEAR, THE NOTIFICATION WAS POSTED ON NEXT DOOR APP, AS WELL AS POSTED ONSITE, UH, TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
THEN THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY TO ACTUALLY NOTIFY AND INVITE ALL OF THE RESIDENTS OF ORANGE TREE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EXHIBIT ON, ON, ON THE SCREEN, THE ZONING CODE CODE ONLY REQUIRES THAT RESIDENTS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 600 FEET OF THE PROPOSAL, UM, BE NOTIFIED OF ANY NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
THE APPLICANT AND HOME BUILDER WENT OUT AND INVITED EVERYBODY FROM ORANGE TREE.
AND, UM, SO BOTH MEETINGS WERE WELL ATTENDED, STANDING ROOM ONLY.
UM, AS OF TODAY, STAFF IS AWARE OF OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST AS WELL AS, UH, SUPPORT TO CLEAN UP THE PROPERTY.
UM, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, MINUTES MEETING MINUTES WERE ATTACHED AS AN EXHIBIT SO YOU COULD UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED.
UM, BUT WHAT WE HEAR IS, UH, AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC FROM THE 48 LOTS, AND THEN RESIDENTS WANTING TO DRIVE TO THE PARK.
THE EXHIBIT BEFORE YOU SHOWS THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION IN PARK, UM, IN ITS PROPOSED LOCATION, AND WE'VE HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF BULL MOOSE AND WARNER.
UM, AFTER TALKING WITH OUR, OUR CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE ONE YEAR AGO, AND THERE WERE NUMBERS.
THE NUMBERS DID NOT WARRANT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
FURTHERMORE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS EXHIBIT, THERE'S A, UH, BLUE SQUARE THAT'S BULL MOOSE ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE THEY WERE BUILT OFFSET.
UH, IT, IT MAKES, UH, IT, IT, IT DOES NOT, UH, SET UP A GOOD, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT A GOOD AREA TO SET UP A, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL BECAUSE OF THE OFFSET OF BMO IN THE MEDIAN TURN LANE.
UM, RESIDENTS WERE CONCERNED WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
I'VE CIRCLED ALL OF THE EXITS FROM THE SUBDIVISION.
THE PURPLE HATCHED AREA ON THIS EXHIBIT ARE COUNTY ISLANDS.
UH, WE'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF COUNTY, COUNTY ISLAND RESIDENTS THE CONCERN OF, OF RESIDENTS FROM THIS PROPOSAL, UM, GOING THROUGH THEIR SUBDIVISION TO GET TO ELLIOT.
UM, OTHER CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REQUEST FOR TWO-STORY PRODUCT, UM, THE, THE PROPERTY, THE SUBDIVISION ADJACENT, IT'S ZONED SFA 0.5.
UM, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE NO TWO-STORY HOMES IN THAT SUBDIVISION, THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO INCREASE TO A TWO-STORY AS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THEIR ZONING.
UH, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD THAT IT IS TOO DENSE.
UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PROPOSAL, IT'S, UM, IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN AS IT SITS ALONG AN ARTERIAL.
THIS IS A TRUE INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
IT SITS BETWEEN, UH, TWO DIFFERENT, UH, INTENSITIES OF, YOU KNOW, RURAL LARGE ACRE LOTS TO HOMES THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY, UH, AVERAGING 7,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
UM, IT'S IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A HIGHWAY, AND, YOU KNOW, STAFF FEELS THAT IT IS A COMPATIBLE LAND USE AS DESIGNED.
UM, THE OTHER CONCERN WE'VE HEARD, UH, THE YELLOW LINE INDICATED ON HERE IS AN IRRIGATION DITCH LOCATED WITHIN THE COUNTY PROPERTIES.
AND JUST WONDERING HOW THAT WOULD BE MAINTAINED.
UM, FROM, UM, FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND IN THE EXHIBITS PROVIDED TO THE CITY, IT SEEMS THAT THAT DITCH IS COMPLETELY WITHIN THE MARICOPA COUNTY PROPERTIES.
SO, AS I WAS CITING, UH, OUR GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATES THIS SITE AS NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH STAFF DOES FIND TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
THIS REQUEST WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AS, UH, INFILL DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN BETWEEN DIFFERENT
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INTENSITIES, UH, IT'S LOCATED ALONG AN ARTERIAL WITHIN A HALF MILE OF A FREEWAY.UH, IT PROVIDES A VARIETY OF HOUSING WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT'S A COMPATIBLE LAND USE.
IT PROVIDES A PARK FOR THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN THAT SQUARE MILE, AND IT RESOLVES A RETENTION ISSUE FOR THE R FOR THE REGION.
STAFF HAS PROVIDED STANDARD STIPULATIONS AS WELL.
UH, A COUPLE OF ST UH, STIPULATION.
P D P STIPULATION NUMBER 10 WAS ALSO INCLUDED AS REQUESTED BY A RESIDENT, UH, STATING THAT LOTS, UH, ONE IN 42, WHICH ARE THE LOTS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO BULL MOOSE, BE LIMITED TO THE TWO SMALLER FLOOR PLANS AS TO, YOU KNOW, UH, SINCE THEY'RE CLOSER, THE THOSE TWO SIDE HOMES ARE CLOSER THAN ANY OF THE OTHERS TO HELP, UH, CREATE A BETTER BUFFER FOR THE EXISTING COMMUNITY.
AND WITH THAT, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
LAUREN, DID YOU WORK? THERE WAS A STIPULATION I TALKED ABOUT IN THE PRE-MEETING ABOUT ARTICULATION LONG WARNER.
DID YOU WORK UP A STEP ON THAT CHAIR? HUMAN I WAS ABLE TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE APPLICANT.
AND SO THE WAY THAT THE STEP IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, WE HAVE A STEP THAT SAYS, UH, P D P STEP NUMBER TWO, THAT THE SAME ELEVATION SHOULD NOT BE BUILT SIDE BY SIDE OR DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, THEY'VE AGREED TO ADD, UH, AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT WOULD LIMIT LOTS ONE THROUGH EIGHT FROM, UM, BEING THE SAME ELEVATION AND OR FLOOR PLAN.
UM, FOR LOTS ONE THROUGH EIGHT, WHICH BACK UP TO WARNER ROAD.
SO IF, IF THIS GETS APPROVED TONIGHT AND GOES TO COUNCIL, AT LEAST THERE'S SOME ARTICULATION THERE.
LAUREN, CAN YOU ANSWER A QUESTION ON A LAND USE IF A CHARTER SCHOOL BOUGHT THIS LAND BY? RIGHT.
COULD THEY JUST COME IN WITHOUT A, THE CITY REALLY HAVING ANY CONTROL OVER IT? UH, CHAIR HUMAN, UH, IF THE CHARTER SCHOOL WAS PUBLICLY FUNDED, UH, THEY WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO MEET ANY OF THE CITY, CITY STANDARDS WITH REGARDS TO ZONING.
UH, THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO MEET LIFE SAFETY AND FIRE.
UH, THEY'RE NOT EVEN REQUIRED TO MEET, UH, TRAFFIC STANDARDS.
UM, AND SO IF A PUBLICLY FUNDED CHARTER SCHOOL WAS TO ACQUIRE THIS PROPERTY, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY COULD GO IN BUY RIGHT AND POSSIBLY SECURE THAT RETENTION BASIN AND FENCE IT OFF BECAUSE SCHOOLS GENERALLY DON'T ALLOW, UM, NON-SCHOOL USERS TO BE ON SITE.
AND IF ANOTHER CHURCH ONE TO BUY THIS SITE, SINCE IT ALREADY HAS A CHURCH ON THERE, COULD THAT JUST BE DONE WITHOUT ANY OTHER THAN MAYBE A PVP FOR THE CITY? UH, IT WOULD PROBABLY NEED A, A NEW USE PERMIT.
JUST TO ENSURE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT PERMITTED BY RIGHT UNDER AN SF 33, BUT A USE PERMIT WOULD POSSIBLY BE, BE REQUIRED.
UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, THE PREVIOUS SLIDE? I THINK IT WAS RESIDENT CONCERNS SLIDE? YEAH.
IS THERE CURRENTLY A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT MESQUITE AT DOBSON, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR? COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ? NO, IT, IT, IT'S ONLY, UH, A STOP SIGN.
DOBSON IS, UH, THERE'S NO STOP SIGN THERE.
ARE ALL OF THE PRODUCT TWO STORY? THAT IS CORRECT.
THEY ARE ALL, ALL OF IT IS TWO-STORY.
UM, ARE THERE EXISTING DRY WELLS IN THE, THE FENCED OFF PROPOSED BASIN TO THE NORTH? ARE THERE ENGINEERED DRY WELLS IN THERE EXISTING OR PROPOSED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT TO DRAIN WITHIN 36 HOURS THERE NOW? YEP.
UH, THROUGH, THROUGH THE CHAIR COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ? UM, UH, THERE'S TWO ACKNOWLEDGED.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY IN THERE TODAY.
UH, WITH THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU, UM, THERE ARE NO, UM, AND I'LL CONFIRM WITH THE APPLICANT MAYBE WHEN THEY COME UP, BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING DRY WELLS TO BE UNDERGROUNDED.
AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION, UM, AT THE 1.7 ACRE PARK, IS THERE ANY RETENTION OTHER THAN JUST SIDEWALKS WITHIN THE PARK GOING TO THAT PARK SITE, THE IMPROVED PARK? OR IS IT ALL GOING TO THE NORTHERN BASIN? UM, CHAIR, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR.
COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ A GREAT QUESTION.
SO THE EXHIBIT BEFORE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE THAT GREEN LINE, SO A PORTION OF THE SUBDIVISION RETAINS ALONG BULL MOOSE, UH, WITHIN THAT GREEN AREA, AND THEN A LITTLE BIT SPILLS OVER, WHICH THE CITY ENGINEER SIGNED OFF ON.
BUT EVERYTHING IN THE PARK WOULD, UH, DRAIN TOWARDS THE RETENTION BASIN.
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THAT, A PORTION OF THE SUBDIVISIONS RETENTION WOULD FLOW TOWARDS WARNER IN THAT, UH, SOUTHWEST CORNER.SO THE, UH, THE RE THE NEW RETENTION BASIN, TALKING ABOUT HAVING TO GO DOWN TO THE, UH, WAS IT AN ADDITIONAL TWO AND A HALF FEET OR TWO, TWO AND A HALF FEET DOWN? YEAH, IT'S A TOTAL OF FIVE FEET DEEP.
SO PROBABLY ADDITIONAL TWO AND A HALF.
UM, AND THAT IS A BIRD, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS TO BE FENCED, IT'S A BIRD RETENTION BASIN, I'M ASSUMING IT'S NOT A WALL TO DROP OFF.
IS THAT CORRECT? THROUGH THE, SO DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT COMMISSIONER LOPEZ, UH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN BIRD AS IN, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S BERN BERM BERM, B E R M, BERM.
UM, THERE WILL BE BERMS OUT ALONG THE STREET, UM, IF YOU LET ME GET BACK TO MY PARK PLAN.
SO IN THIS PLAN, UM, YOU SEE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY, THEY'RE KEEPING SOME OF THE TREES, THEY'RE KEEPING SOME OF THOSE MATURE TREES.
THEY'RE ADDING SOME TREES OUT ALONG BOSE THERE, AND THEN THEY WILL HAVE SOME BURMING IN ORDER TO TRY TO OKAY.
AND, AND AS PART OF THAT, THIS, THE NEW CALCULATIONS, CUZ AND THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE, UH, BIGGER BUT NOT AS DEEP, WAS NOT DESIGNED CORRECTLY? OR WAS IT JUST NOT DESIGNED FOR THE THOUSAND YEAR FLOOD THAT WE GOT
UH, I BELIEVE FROM THE TIME IT WAS DESIGNED IN 19 78, 19 79, UH, OUR STANDARDS HAVE CHANGED SINCE.
AND THE NEW DEBT CALCULATION, IS IT STILL BASED ON A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD OR, OR A HUNDRED YEAR RAIN OR A DIFFERENT, OKAY.
SO IT'S STILL SEEING JUST A DIFFERENT, UH, CALCULATION.
OTHER QUESTIONS MR. QUINN? SO LAUREN, IN THE DIAGRAM YOU HAVE HERE, IT APPEARS THAT THE PARK IS STILL ALSO A BASIN.
IS THAT JUST A LEFTOVER, UM, DRAWING, BUT THE, THERE APPEARS TO BE TOPOGRAPHY LINES THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT THE TURF AREA IN THE PARK IS ALSO A RETENTION AREA, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR.
COMMISSIONER QUINN, UH, OF COURSE, THE, IT, IT IS MORE OF A LITTLE A BASIN FOR THE TURF AREA.
IT, IT WILL RETAIN SOME WATER, BUT IT, IT'S NOT TAKING ON A MAJORITY OF THE WATER.
IT DOES APPEAR TO BE THREE FEET DEEP.
CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD JUMP IN REAL QUICK.
SO THE ENTIRE CITY PARCEL EFFECTIVELY RETAINS WATER.
UM, ANYTHING DEEPER THAN 3.49 FEET DEEP NEEDS TO BE FENCED OFF FROM MARICOPA COUNTY.
SO THE, UH, THE PARK SIDE OF THE, OF THE CITY PARCEL TO BE OWNED, UH, WILL BE THAT, THAT DEPTH, THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE FENCING, BUT IT WILL BE A BASIN.
SO AT THE 100 YEAR, TWO HOUR EVENT STORM, THE RETENTION BASIN WILL BE FULL AND THE WATER WILL FILL UP ABOVE THAT AND, AND THEN GO OVER ALL THE WAY TO THE, UH, TO THE CITY PARK.
NORMAL STORMS WILL ALL GO TO THE RETENTION BASIN AND NOT KEEP THE PARKING EDITED, BUT THE WHOLE THING SERVES AS A BASIN.
SO THAT MEANS THE ROUGHLY THAT'S BETWEEN 28 AND 30 ACRE FEET OF WATER STORAGE.
THE EXCEPTION THAT THE TOT LOT WILL BE HIGH AND DRY UPPER CODE.
UM, MS. CHAIR, JUST ONE QUESTION, EXCUSE ME.
AS IT RELATES TO THE OVERALL AMBITIONS OF WATER CONSERVATION, I'M JUST CURIOUS ON THE AMOUNT OF TURF SHOWN THERE, SINCE THIS ISN'T LIKELY TO BE AN ACTIVATED PARK WITH SOCCER FIELDS AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.
JUST CURIOUS ON, UM, THE IMMENSE AMOUNT OF TURF THERE AND IF THERE WAS ANY THOUGHTS ON REDUCING THAT? JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR.
UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS HAD, UH, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FOR OVER A YEAR.
THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT, UM, CIVIL TR IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING CONVERSATION.
UM, AT ONE POINT IT WAS SAID TO JUST, UH, DG THE ENTIRE THING, BUT THE, THE TOT LOT.
UM, BUT I, WHO WOULD REALLY WANNA USE THAT? WOULD YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WALKING A DOG IN IT, LETTING YOUR CHILD PLAY IN IT? UM, SO WE EXPECTED THAT A PORTION OF IT BE TURFED.
I, I THINK THAT THE NEW BUZZWORDS ARE FUNCTIONAL VERSUS NON-FUNCTIONAL.
THIS WOULD STILL, THIS WOULD BE FUNCTIONAL TURF VERSUS JUST BEING OUR, UH, DECORATIVE.
IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, SIR.
AND CAN YOU, YEAH, THAT'S ALL I NEED.
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THIS ONE? NO, THE, OH, OKAY.GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON ON BEHALF OF K HIAN HOMES, AND WITH ME HERE TODAY IS MR. CHUCK CHISHOLM AND ALSO FRANCISCO CASTELLO FROM K HIAN, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS HAS BEEN A LONG AND ARDUOUS TASK TO BRING THIS PARCEL TO YOU.
YOU ARE SEEING THE TIP OF THE PROVERBIAL ICEBERG IN THE BEST DESCRIPTION POSSIBLE.
A FULL TWO YEARS HAS TAKEN TO GET TO THIS POINT, AND MANY THANKS TO THE STAFF.
LET ME JUST SAY THAT WE'VE HAD PRACTICALLY EVERY DISCIPLINE AT THE CITY AND EVERY DEPARTMENT INVOLVED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER IN THIS PARTICULAR PLAN AND HOW IT COULD BE REHABILITATED AND HOW IT CAN WORK TODAY.
SO THANK YOU TO NOT ONLY YOUR PLANNING AND ENGINEERING, BUT OTHER DEPARTMENTS, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, AND EVERYBODY HAS BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH TO GET THIS TO THIS POINT TODAY.
SO I CERTAINLY DON'T INTEND TO, UH, REITERATE EVERYTHING THAT MS. SCHUMANN HAD TO SAY TODAY.
HER, HER PRESENTATION WAS COMPREHENSIVE AND COMPLETE.
LET, LEMME JUST HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS THAT I HEARD FROM COMMISSIONERS BEFORE I FORGET THEM.
WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, DENSITY.
IF YOU TAKE THE 48 LOTS INTO 12 FULL ACRES, WE WOULD BE AT FOUR UNITS TO THE ACRE.
I THINK THAT WAS A QUESTION OR COMMENT THAT ONE OF YOU HAD MADE EARLIER.
IF YOU DO THE MATH, THAT'S WHAT IT REALLY AMOUNTS TO.
THE OTHER THING HAVING TO DO WITH THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND APPRECIATE THEIR HELP THAT WILL BE REVIEWED AND LOOKED AT BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS CASE.
AND THAT DOCUMENT WILL DEFINE ALL THE PARAMETERS WITHIN WHICH THE RETENTION BASIN GETS BUILT, THE PARK AREA GETS BUILT, WHEN AND HOW DOES THAT LAND GET CONVEYED AND TRANSFERRED TO THE CITY.
ALL THAT TECHNICAL BUSINESS IS HANDLED, UH, IN THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THERE ARE AND WILL BE PLANNED FOR THIS PROJECT, DRY WELLS CLEARLY, UH, TO MAKE THE RETENTION BASIN, UH, FUNCTION.
AND WITH RESPECT TO TURF, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, THE MAIN BASIN THAT'S FIVE FEET DEEP AND THAT IS PROTECTED WITH THE FENCE, WILL NOT HAVE TURF IN THE BOTTOM OF IT.
IT WILL BE A VERY, UH, FUNCTIONAL, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, BASIN, BUT THE OTHER PORTION OF THE PARK WILL HAVE TURF FOR THE, UH, PLAYGROUND AREA.
SO WHAT CAUSED THE CONFUSION? SOMEONE ELSE ASKED THAT QUESTION.
HOW DID WE GET TO THIS POINT? RIGHT? THIS IS A HIGHLY UNUSUAL SPOT TO BE IN.
IT ALL STARTED IN 1978 WITH AN AMBIGUOUS LANGUAGE, A PARAGRAPH IN A PLAT FOR THE ORANGE TREE SUBDIVISION.
AND WHAT RESPONSIBILITY LIED WHERE WITH RESPECT TO RETENTION? THAT SITUATION JUST EXISTED AT, AND I CAN'T TAKE THE FAULT FOR IT.
I STARTED PRACTICING LAW IN 1979.
SO THIS WAS DONE AT ABOUT THAT TIME, BUT I DIDN'T DO IT.
NOBODY IN CHANDLER, FRANKLY, NONE OF THE STAFF HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.
SO WE'RE LIVING TODAY WITH WHAT HAPPENED THEN, AND WE'RE TRYING TO STRUCTURE IT IN A WAY THAT WORKS NOW.
SO THE BENEFITS TO THE CITY ARE CLEARLY AS FOLLOWS.
ONE, A RETENTION BASIN THAT'S DESIGNED TO BE UTILITARIAN, FIVE FEET DEEP PROTECTED WITH FENCING TO SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE DON'T HAVE WHAT HAPPENED IN 2014, THAT'S NUMBER ONE TO THE CITY.
AND WE WOULD HOPE TO HEAR FROM OUR NEIGHBORS THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM, RIGHT? AND SO THE, THE SECOND ITEM HERE IS NOT ONLY THAT, BUT NOW A PUBLIC PARK.
SO JUST SLIGHTLY LESS THAN TWO ACRES OF THIS LAND WILL INDEED BE A PUBLIC PARK WITH AMENITIES FULLY ACCESSIBLE TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S THE SECOND MAJOR BENEFIT.
THEN WE ALSO HAVE HERE AN UNOCCUPIED STRUCTURE WITH UNATTENDED TO LANDSCAPING, BOTH OF THOSE ISSUES COMBINED TO NOT CREATE A VERY PLEASANT SPOT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO REHABILITATE THAT AT OUR EXPENSE AND THEN CONVEY IT TO THE CITY.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS YOU JUST DON'T SEE IN PROJECTS, AND MOST PROJECTS DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH COMING IN ON A PURE INFILL.
I MEAN, LAUREN HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD DESCRIBING INFIELD.
THIS IS A PICTURE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
UM, THE OTHER THING I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS HAS A FULL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE STAFF COMING TO YOU FOR APPROVAL.
WE'VE DONE A LOT IN REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
AND ADMITTEDLY, IN BOTH MEETINGS THERE WERE PROS AND CONS.
UM, BUT WE DID REACH OUT AND I THINK YOU'LL HEAR, UH, PROBABLY FROM BOTH SIDES OF THAT ISSUE HERE, UH, THIS EVENING.
THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THIS IS BRINGING TO THE AREA A NEW DESIGN SUBDIVISION WITH FRESH
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LANDSCAPING.THE STREETS ARE CITY STANDARD.
UM, YOU CAN PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, TWO CAR GARAGES, PARKING IN THE DRIVEWAY.
IT'S ADMITTEDLY ON LOTS THAT ARE SMALLER THAN OUR NEIGHBORS.
BUT WHEN YOU TAKE THE DENSITY AS A WHOLE AND COULD FACTOR INTO THE LAND THAT'S BEING DEEDED TO THE CITY, IT GETS TO BE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SAME QUESTIONS HAVE COME UP THAT HAVE BEEN ANSWERED BY THE STAFF WITH RESPECT TO TRAFFIC.
YOUR TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT, ALONG WITH OUR TRAFFIC, UH, STUDY HAS INDICATED THAT THESE 48 HOMES ARE NOT GOING TO MOVE THE DIAL ON ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CONGESTION OR NEED, I SHOULD SAY, NEED TO REHABILITATE OR IMPROVE ROADWAYS AND TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
CAN'T GO HERE ON WARNER FOR THE REASONS MENTIONED BY STAFF PARKING.
PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING.
I'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING ON THE SITE, ON THE STREETS, IN THE DRIVEWAYS, IN THE GARAGES.
LANDSCAPING, FRESH NEW LANDSCAPING WILL AGREE AND DID TELL THE NEIGHBORS THAT WE WOULD NOT ALLOW OUR CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS DURING CONSTRUCTION TO COME THROUGH THE COUNTY PROPERTIES TO OUR WEST.
SO YOU MAY HEAR FROM FOLKS THAT, UH, LIVE IN THE COUNTY, UH, THIS EVENING.
AND WE ALSO UNDERSTAND AND CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THE OTHER NIGHT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, THIS PROJECT WILL NOT TOUCH, INTERFERE WITH OR DO ANYTHING WITH THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM THAT LIES TO THE, THE, THE OWNERS TO OUR WEST.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO TOUCH THAT OR, UH, IMPEDE THE DELIVERY OF THAT WATER IN ANY WAY.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR THE HARD WORK GETTING HERE TODAY.
WE URGE YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
WE AGREE, UH, WITH ALL THE STIPULATIONS AND CONDITIONS, INCLUDING THE ONE THAT WAS JUST ADDED, UH, IN THE PRESENTATION FROM THE STAFF.
SO WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL BE QUIET UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.
THANK YOU, MR. I COULD RESERVE A MOMENT FOR REBUTTAL IF ABSOLUTELY THANKS.
SO CALLING THE SPEAKERS, THESE ARE NO PARTICULAR ORDER THAN THE, THE WAY THEY CAME TO ME FROM STAFF.
UM, MICHAEL BARON, UH, WISH TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM.
MICHAEL BARRON, IF YOU CAN COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
THE LIGHT WILL START WITH GREEN.
IT'LL GO TO YELLOW WITH ABOUT 30 SECONDS AGO.
AND THEN RED, JUST NEED TO FINISH UP PLEASE.
MY WIFE KAREN, AND I OWN PROPERTY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET ON B MOOSE.
AND, UH, WE ARE HERE TO SAY THAT WE FULLY SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
WE, UH, HAVE SEEN THE OTHER PROJECT THAT CAME FORWARD AND WE WERE HOPEFUL THEN.
AND THIS IS A, A FAR SUPERIOR PROJECT.
WE WE'RE BOTH FULL-TIME REAL ESTATE AGENTS.
WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE, THE BUILDER.
WE HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH THEM.
WE JUST WHOLEHEARTEDLY ENDORSE THIS.
WE, WE HAVE WATER ACTUALLY COME UP WITHIN ABOUT EIGHT FEET OF THE FRONT DOOR OF OUR PROPERTY WHEN THAT EVENT HAPPENED.
WE'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY IN ABOUT 11 YEARS, I BELIEVE.
BUT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
IT'S, UM, AN EYESORE AND WE APPRECIATE, UH, THERE'S ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, DWAYNE LIDMAN, I DON'T KNOW IF DWAYNE IS HERE, BUT HE'S A GENTLEMAN WHO LIVES IN ORANGE TREE, WHO'S DONE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF WORK WITH THE CITY, TRYING TO GET A PARK FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO THANK YOU TO THE CITY, THE STAFF, THE DEVELOPER, EVERYONE.
WE'RE JUST, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKERS? ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
UM, VALERIE LOOKS LIKE MELOV DOES NOT WANNA SPEAK, BUT, UM, IS AN OPPOSITION OF THE PROJECT PREFERS SOMETHING OTHER THAN GRAVEL AND THE RETENTION BASIN, UH, WANT TO LANDSCAPE WITH PLANT LIFE.
SO, UM, STEPH, COULD YOU ADDRESS THE, THE RETENTION AREA? THE BIG ONE IS JUST GONNA BE GRAVEL.
THERE'LL BE LANDSCAPING ON THE STREET OR NOT.
UH, THERE'LL BE SOME SHADE TREES UP ALONG THE STREET.
UM, BUT AS FOR THE BOTTOM OF THE BASIN, THERE'S NO PLANS YET TO LANDSCAPE IT.
BUT THE, BUT THE, ALONG THE STREETSCAPE, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN, YOU'LL BE A, IT'LL HAVE, THAT'LL BE LANDSCAPE.
UH, WISH TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM.
IF YOU COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, YOU COME UP TO THE DI STATE YOUR NAME AND AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, MR. PINKERTON.
I LIVE AT 1918 NORTH FULL MOOSE DRIVE.
I'M OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT FOR TWO REASONS.
IT'S NOT JUST GONNA AFFECT BULL, MOOSE AND WARNER.
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AFFECT ALICE AND CORONADO.THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET OUT TO THE FREEWAY.
THE STUDY WAS TAKEN ON THEIR TRAFFIC, I DON'T KNOW, TWO YEARS AGO OR THREE.
SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE HAD TRIPLE THE TRAFFIC ON WARNER.
THEY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN REAL HARD.
WE VOTED DOWN NOT HAVING A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE BEFORE.
THE OTHER REASON IS KIND OF DEAR TO MY HEART.
I'M THIRD GENERATION WATER WELL DRILLER IN THIS STATE.
I'VE SEEN WATER GO FROM 35 FEET DEEP TO 55 FEET DEEP.
IF YOU DON'T STOP BUILDING THESE CONDOS AND APARTMENTS AND HOUSES, YOU'RE GONNA RUN OUTTA WATER.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR.
SORRY, I CAN'T PRONOUNCE THE LAST NAME.
IF YOU CAN CAME UP, COME UP TO THE DI STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I LIVE AT 2317 WEST MESQUITE STREET.
UM, I DO OPPOSE THIS PROJECT ON A NUMBER OF REASONS.
UM, ONE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN TOUCHED ON IS TRAFFIC.
UM, THERE IS GONNA BE A PROBLEM AT BULL MOOSE AND WARNER BECAUSE LIKE THEY SAID, BULL MOOSE IS OFFSET WHEN IT HITS WARNER AND STAGGERED.
SO YOU CAN'T PUT LIGHT THERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S DELAYS GETTING IN AND OUT OF THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION.
ANYWAY, A BULL, MOOSE AND WARNER, UM, IT'S GONNA BE EVEN MORE BACKED UP WITH THE, UH, HIGH DENSITY OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S GOING IN RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, MENTIONED FOR THE DENSITY DON'T QUITE SEEM RIGHT.
UM, THE LEAST DENSE, YOU'RE GOOD.
THE LEAST DENSE, UH, AREA OF ORANGE TREE RIGHT NOW HAS 1400 SQUARE FOOT HOUSES ON 7,000 SQUARE FEET OF LAND.
THESE HOUSES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ARE GONNA BE 50% LARGER THAN THAT ON A LOT.
IT'S, IT'S A LOT HIGHER DENSITY.
IT DOESN'T REALLY FIT IN WITH THE PLAN OF ORANGE TREE IN GENERAL.
UM, PLUS THERE AREN'T ANY TWO-STORY BUILDINGS IN ORANGE TREE, AND I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT ANYBODY'S GONNA BUILD A SECOND FLOOR ADDITION ON THERE.
AS FAR AS PARKING IS CONCERNED, I KNOW THEY OFFER TWO CAR GARAGE AND THE SPACES IN THE DRIVEWAY FOR TWO MORE CARS, BUT THEY BASICALLY SAID THAT THEY'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE PARKS IN THEIR GARAGE.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN REALLY ENFORCE THAT.
AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR IT.
AND WHEN THEY WERE GOING THROUGH THE PLANS IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THEY WERE REALLY, THE STREETS WERE WIDE ENOUGH TO EVEN PARK ON THE, THE STREET IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE REALLY, AND HAVE LIKE AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE BE ABLE TO MAKE IT THROUGH.
SO I DO OPPOSE THIS AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, PLEASE HOLD FREE.
ANY QUESTION, MR. MOS STAFF, YOU WANNA ADDRESS THE, THE PARKING ON THE STREET AND THE FIRE, I MEAN OUR TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT, I, OR ENGINEERS HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT THIS, CORRECT? UH, CHAIR, HUMAN, THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, WE DO HAVE A STANDARD DETAIL FOR WATER STREET WOULD LOOK LIKE TO ALLOW FOR PARKING.
AND PER THE EXHIBIT PROVIDED, AND PER THE PLANS SUBMITTED UNDER THE, UH, PRELIMINARY PLA IT SHOWED THAT PARKING WAS PERMITTED ON BOTH SIDES OF ROAD AND WE WOULDN'T ALLOW ANYTHING TO BE BILLED UNLESS IT COULD HAVE A FIRE TRUCK GO THROUGH THINGS LIKE THAT, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
NEXT SPEAKER IS BRIAN CAMPANELLA, YOU WANNA COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD?
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HI, BRIAN CAMPINOLA, 2100 BLOCK OF MARIPOSA.SO COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO THIS WHOLE THING.
BASICALLY, IN MY OPINION, THE CITY HAS BEEN COLLUDING WITH A NON CONSTITUENT TO CHANGE SOMETHING WITHOUT TELLING THE PUBLIC AS WE JUST LEARNED FOR TWO YEARS.
THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO, UH, ZONE EVERYTHING, GET RID OF THIS WHOLE WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS THING AND HAVE A PLAN CHECK BUILD TO WHAT THE PROPERTY IS ZONED TO PLAN, CHECK IT AND THEN APPROVE IT.
YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ATTORNEY MS. FROM PEW LAW BECAUSE OF WHEN HE WALKED IN, YOU HAD A LITTLE JOKE WITH EACH OTHER.
ANOTHER INDICATION OF WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE COLLUSION WITH A NON CONSTITUENT.
AND IF EVEN ONE CONSTITUENT OPPOSES THIS, IT SHOULD NOT GO THROUGH.
ALSO, UH, RICK, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO JUST BEAT YOU UP HERE, BUT TRYING TO ADD IN, WELL REALLY IF YOU CONSIDER ALL OF THE PROPERTY, THE DENSITY'S NOT THAT HIGH.
WELL, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CONSIDER THAT PROPERTY FOR THEIR DENSITY.
SO WHY DID YOU BRING THAT UP? AGAIN, ANOTHER INDICATION THAT WE HAVE THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH A NON CONSTITUENT.
AND IT'S VERY OBVIOUS THAT THIS IS GONNA GET PUSHED THROUGH.
IT DOESN'T COM IT DOESN'T FIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S, I I BELIEVE IN FREE ENTERPRISE AND, AND, UH, EXCEPT THERE'S NO SUCH THING IN AMERICA ANYMORE BECAUSE OF ALL THE REGULATIONS.
BUT CAPITALISM IS A WONDERFUL THING, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE ONLY REASON THAT THE NUMBER IS 48 IS BECAUSE THAT'S THE ABSOLUTE LARGEST NUMBER THEY CAN SQUEEZE IN HERE, OKAY? IF YOU CHANGE THE ZONING.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS WHEN WE SHOWED THE, UH, THE PAGE WITH ALL THE PARKS AROUND HERE, WE DIDN'T SHOW THE SIZE OF THE PARK THAT THIS IS GONNA HAVE.
YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE IT'S MINUSCULE.
THE ORIGINAL PARK FOR THE ORANGE TREE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THAT WHOLE AREA.
THE OTHER THING NOBODY SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND IS I HAVE SEEN THAT PROPERTY IRRIGATED.
SO THAT CANAL IS ALSO PROPERTY OF THE LANDOWNER.
AND TO ABANDON IT, YOU HAVE TO PUT IT BACK INTO FULL USE.
OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY CRACKS AND BREAKS IN IT, THAT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ABANDON IT, WHICH WOULD BE K HO KE HO.
SO THIS JUST, THIS WHOLE THING JUST DISGUSTED ME.
SIR, COULD YOU WRAP UP YOUR STATEMENT PLEASE? WHY? BECAUSE IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE.
NO, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.
WELL, IT'S AN ABSOLUTE RIDICULOUS NUMBER OF HOMES AND IT IS THE DENSITY THAT IT IS, AND THE PARK SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE WHOLE BENCH, THE WHOLE BASIN.
AND NOW WE GET THIS LITTLE MINUSCULE ONE THAT WE DIDN'T PUT ON THE MAP BECAUSE IT'S GONNA SHOW HOW SMALL IT IS RELATIVE TO THE OTHER PARKS THAT WE SO, UH, PROUDLY SHOWED.
I MEAN, I, I GO ON FOREVER, BUT THANK YOU SIR.
SIR, I'M, I'M JUST GONNA ADDRESS ONE THING ACCUSING ME OF CONCLUSION WITH AN ATTORNEY.
I'VE BEEN ON THIS DIAS FOR MANY YEARS, AND MOST OWNING ATTORNEYS WILL TELL YOU THAT I'VE VOTED AGAINST A LOT OF THEIR PROJECTS AND I VOTED FOR SOME OF THE PROJECTS.
SO I, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS IN TERMS OF DENSITY, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT TO ACCUSE THIS DIAS OR MYSELF OF CONCLUSION, I THINK IS VERY IRRELEVANT.
NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE IS DENISE CAMPANELLA.
YOU WANNA STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
HI, MY NAME IS DENISE CAMPANELLA AND I'M A RESIDENT OF THE ORANGE TREE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I AM, UH, IN FAVOR OF THIS, UH, CLEANING UP OF THIS PROPERTY.
I'M JUST NOT IN FAVOR OF THE DENSITY THAT IS PROPOSED IN CHANGING THE ZONING.
YOU'VE GOT 48 HOMES THAT YOU'VE, UH, IDENTIFIED THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING AS MANY AS FOUR
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OF THEIR OWN CARS.UH, THESE ARE BIG, BIG HOMES FOR FAMILIES THAT HAVE MORE THAN ONE CAR, TWO CARS.
ALL OF THEM HAVE TO LEAVE THIS SUBDIVISION OFF OF BULL MOOSE.
UM, DUE TO OPPOSITION, THERE ORIGINALLY WAS ONLY ONE EXIT ONTO BULL MOOSE, WHICH IS ONLY APPROXIMATELY TWO CAR LENGTHS BEFORE YOU HIT WARNER.
THE SECOND EXIT NOW HAS BEEN OPENED UP, UH, FOR MORE CARS TO COME OUT, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO EXIT THE DEVELOPMENT, THE DENSITY ALONG WARNER ROAD IN THE EARLY MORNINGS WHEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WORK.
UM, I USED TO TAKE THAT ROUTE TO GO TO WORK.
I WENT, I LEFT MY HOME JUST DEPENDING ON WHAT MY SCHEDULE WAS FOR THE DAY, ANYTIME BETWEEN 5:00 AM AND EIGHT O'CLOCK.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE WERE TIMES THAT I WOULD HAVE TO SIT FOR ALMOST FIVE MINUTES WAITING FOR THE TRAFFIC TO COME DOWN.
WARNER AND I HAVE SEEN THE TRAFFIC TO GET ONTO THE 1 0 1 BACKED UP AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF.
WHICH IS THE, THE DEVELOP THE, UH, BUILDING TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY IN, IN THE EARLY MORNING.
SO ALL THAT TRAFFIC TONIGHT, BECAUSE I WAS HERE FOR THE EARLY PART OF THE, THE MEETING, WE LEARNED THAT THERE IS A ANOTHER POTENTIAL, UH, P A D DEVELOPMENT ONE QUARTER MILE SOUTH OF WARNER AND DOBSON WITH A HUNDRED, I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS A HUNDRED, HUNDRED AND 10 PROPERTIES.
ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME THE QUARTER OF A MILE UP TO THE TURN AT WARNER AND TO COME ON OVER TO THE, UH, 1 0 1 AS WELL.
SO THE DENSITY ALONG WARNER IS GONNA BE INCREDIBLE BETWEEN THE 48 HOMES HERE AND THE 110 THAT ARE JUST ONE QUARTER MILE SOUTH OF, UH, WARNER.
I DROVE DOWN BULL MOOSE TODAY.
BULL MOOSE IS 25 MILE AN HOUR, UH, SPEED LIMIT ON, ON BULL MOOSE.
THE PERSON BEHIND ME WAS IN MY TRUNK AND I GLANCED AT MY SPEED SPEEDOMETER AND I WAS GOING 28 MILES AN HOUR AND HE WAS LIKE TRYING TO PUSH ME DOWN THE STREET.
WE HAD A HORRIBLE ACCIDENT AT THE CORNER OF EL ALBA AND BO MOOSE BECAUSE SOMEBODY WAS SPEEDING INJURIES IN THE WHOLE THING THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SPEEDING ALONG BULL MOOSE WITH THIS, ALL THIS ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.
UM, IT, I I THINK IT'S UNTENABLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OKAY, IF YOU CAN WRAP UP, PLEASE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
NICHOLAS WEST, UH, WE, WE OKAY.
YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, BE GREAT.
I LIVE AT 2212 WEST LOS ALES PLACE.
AND, UH, WELL, I, WE MOVED THERE IN 1983, SO WE'RE ORIGINAL PEOPLE OVER THERE AT, UH, ORANGE THREE ONE.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE QUALITY OF THE HOMES.
I U I WORK FOR A, A COMPANY THAT, UM, SURVEYS, NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE EAST VALLEY, UH, MESA, GILBERT, CHANDLER.
AND, UM, IN THE CAPACITY OF WHAT I'VE DONE, I'VE SURVEYED, UH, ALL THE BUILDERS, FULTON, UM,
AND THEIR PRODUCTS ARE ALWAYS REALLY, REALLY GOOD.
THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GREAT, THE HOUSES LOOK GREAT.
AND SO I'M JUST HERE TO JUST SAY THAT I'VE REALLY BEEN IMPRESSED WITH THEIR PRODUCT.
I HAVE NO ASSOCIATION WITH THOSE GUYS OTHER THAN JUST THAT I, UH, UH, SURVEYED ALL THESE PROPERTIES ALL OVER THE PLACE.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR.
KENNETH MARKS, WE CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS KENNETH MARKS 25 33 WEST EL ALBA WAY.
UH, I'M IN THE COUNTY PORTION OF IT AND, UH, I WENT, THERE WERE TWO THINGS I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
I STARTED OFF WANTING TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC ONLY, BUT THE ISSUE, I'M GLAD THE COMMISSIONER BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF THE DRY WELLS BECAUSE THAT POINTS OUT SOMETHING TOO.
THE RETENTION BASIN NOT ONLY HAS TO BE OF A SIZE TO CONTAIN THE WATER DURING A CERTAIN STORM, BUT IT HAS TO GET RID OF IT IN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME TOO, AND THAT'S WHAT THE DRY WELLS ARE FOR.
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THE CITY WILL KEEP AN EYE ON THAT SORT OF THING.SO THAT, UH, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A BIG MOSQUITO LAKE THERE LIKE WE HAVE HAD IN THE PAST.
IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY CAN BREED IN THERE IN A VERY SHORT LENGTH OF TIME.
MY OTHER ISSUE IS, UH, UH, TRAFFIC, UH, ON EL ALBA.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A MAP TO POINT TO.
MAYBE YOU HAVE A MAP YOU CAN LOOK AT THERE.
EL ALBA IS, UH, ON EAST WEST STREET, UH, WHICH IS THE FIRST STREET YOU WOULD COME TO ON THE WEST SIDE OF, UH, UH, UH, BO MOOSE AS YOU'RE GOING NORTH FROM, UH, WARNER.
AND, UH, THAT WHOLE STREET THERE.
AND, UH, IT, IT DEAD ENDS INTO 91ST, WHICH THEN TURNS SOUTH AND GETS ONTO WARNER.
AND WE HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC NOW BECAUSE BULL MOOSE, THAT INTERSECTION OF BULL MOOSE AND WARNER, LIKE SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID IS A, A TOUGH INTERSECTION THERE.
AND IF PEOPLE FIND IT DIFFICULT TO GET IN AND OUT THERE, THEY LIKE TO GO UP 91ST AND CUT DOWN AL ALBA.
SO IN A NUTSHELL, THAT'S MY CONCERN, THAT WE GET SHORT-CUTTING TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THERE IF THAT INTERSECTION OF BOSE GETS WORSE, WHICH I BELIEVE IT WILL.
AND, UH, UH, IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, UH, I THINK THE APPLICANTS, UH, HAVE GOOD REPUTATIONS.
I THINK THEY'VE BEEN AROUND A WHILE.
I THINK THEY'VE BEEN RESPONSIVE TO THE, UH, UH, QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE HAD AND I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT THEY'RE, THESE TWO ISSUES ARE ISSUES THAT I, UH, WOULD APPRECIATE YOU FOLKS LOOKING AT.
UM, TO STAFF ALBA, ONCE THE SUBDIVISION IS BUILT, WILL AL WILL GO THROUGH ANYMORE OR LAUREN, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT CHAIR? HUMAN, UH, ALBA,
UM, THE, SO THE, THAT, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? IT'S, SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST NORTH, IT'S NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT REALLY.
IT'S THE STREET DIRECTLY NORTH OF WHAT'S GONNA BE THE RETENTION BASIN.
AND THE DRY WELLS, I THINK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED BY, BY YOU GUYS AS STAFF, SO, OKAY.
PER THE PLANS BEING REVIEWED, UH, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DRAIN WITHIN 36 HOURS.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL NEVER HAVE ANOTHER FIVE AND A HALF INCHES IN TWO HOURS LIKE WE DID.
UM, VICKI MARKS, YOU WANNA COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? GOOD EVENING.
AND, UH, THAT IS A COUNTY AREA.
AND, AND SO IT IS A DIFFICULT AREA TO, TO TRY TO ASSIMILATE WITH THE CITY.
MY CONCERN IS BASICALLY, UM, THE RETENTION, THE WALL ALONG THE WHOLE PROJECT ON THE WEST SIDE.
WE HAVE, UM, OUR IRRIGATION DISHES THAT COME DOWN.
WE HAVE SOME TRAFFIC ON THEM NOW OF PEOPLE THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
AND I AM CONCERNED THAT THERE WILL NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ENOUGH INTEREST IN A WALL HIGH ENOUGH THAT WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE FROM THE PARK.
WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE FROM THE OTHER AREA COMING OVER INTO OUR AREA.
WE BEGINNING TO, NOT US, BUT THE, THE CHURCH HAS BEGUN TO HAVE SOME, UM, CAMPERS THERE.
AND I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE MORE, UM, INTERESTED IN COMING DOWN THOSE CANALS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH, UH, PEOPLE COMING OVER.
SO THE PROJECT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE OKAY.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC, BUT IT'S JUST GONNA HAVE TO WORK OUT SOMEHOW.
WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT EL ABA BECAUSE IT'S A VERY SMALL STREET WITH FLIES.
WE HAVE A LOT OF JOGGERS, A LOT OF KIDS, A LOT OF PEOPLE RIDING HORSES UP AND DOWN THE STREET.
SO WE WOULD, AND THAT'S EARLY IN THE MORNING THEY DO THAT.
SO WE'RE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROBLEMS THAT WILL ENSUE FROM PEOPLE WANTING TO COME DOWN EL ABA, GO ACROSS, GO OUT 91ST OR COME IN.
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CONCERNS, I HOPE, UM, THE DEVELOPER WILL ALSO GET BACK TO US ON A WALL THERE, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA BE LIABLE FOR PEOPLE FALLING IN THE DITCH OR CLIMBING OVER A FIVE FOOT HIGH FENCE INTO THE DITCH.SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THIS.
SO LET ME ASK STAFF, LAUREN, IN TERMS OF THE IRRIGATION DITCH OR IN TERMS OF THE WALL AND STUFF AND THE IRRIGATION DITCH, WE'RE NOT BLOCKING THAT BECAUSE IT'S STILL A FUNCTIONING DITCH.
I PRE OH, THE DITCH, THE DITCH IS NOT A PROBLEM.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MAINLY ON THE HOMEOWNER'S CONCERN.
AND WE JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE FROM THIS SIDE COMING OVER INTO ALL THIS PROPERTY AND POSSIBLY CAUSING PROBLEMS. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S O IT'S O CAN'T THEY DO IT RIGHT NOW? IT'S, IT'S OPEN NOW, ISN'T IT? IT HAS ABOUT A FIVE FOOT HIGH FENCE.
CHICKEN WIRE FENCE TO ADDRESS THE CAMPERS.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A, UM, DEPARTMENT IN OUR CITY THAT IF YOU HAVE THAT SITUATION COME UP, FEEL FREE TO CALL.
UM, IT'S LEAH POWELL'S OFFICE.
I DON'T KNOW THE PHONE NUMBER OR ANYTHING, BUT STAFF CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.
SO WHEN YOU DO HAVE THAT, WE DO HAVE ISSUES AROUND THE CITY WHERE, UH, WHERE I LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE.
SO, BUT THANK YOU, THANK, UH, STAFF MAY EVEN GET YOU THAT NUMBER TOO.
SO IF YOU DO HAVE THAT HAPPEN, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CALL STAFF SO THEY CAN DEAL WITH THAT STUFF FOR YOU.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE, ALL THE SPEAKER CARDS I HAVE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WANNA ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? OKAY, I HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE BACK THERE.
IF YOU WANNA COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, THAT'D BE GREAT.
UM, MAKE SURE I DON'T MISS ANYBODY.
I LIVE ON MARLBORO STATES OFF 91ST, SO I'M JUST SOUTH OF ELLIOT, UM, NORTH OF THE PROPERTY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, JUST A COUPLE THINGS THAT CAME UP.
WE ARE PROP, WE ARE IN COUNTY PROPERTY, SO OUR PROPERTY HAS, UM, BACKED UP TO THE U DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ON PRICE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, IT'S A RENTAL DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU GUYS APPROVED A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT'S FINALLY COMPLETED.
LOTS OF WATER USED TO BUILD HOMES.
WE WERE AMAZED AT HOW MUCH WATER IS USED TO, TO BUILD HOMES TO ADDRESS THE, THE WATER ISSUE THAT CAME UP.
UM, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC ON 91ST BECAUSE ALREADY PEOPLE FROM SOUTH OF US CROSS 91ST THAT LIVE, UH, SOUTH OF MESQUITE COME THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY DON'T FOLLOW THE SPEED LIMIT.
SO IF YOU'RE WALKING, RIDING YOUR BIKE, YOUR KIDS ARE OUT.
THERE'S NO, UM, THERE YOU REALLY HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION.
UM, BECAUSE WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS PROPERTY THAT'S BEING BUILT, THEY DON'T TAKE CARE OF THE DITCH.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.
WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THAT PROPERTY, THEIR, THE DIGGERS, THE, THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT CAME RIGHT UP TO THE DITCH.
THERE'S A LOT OF CRACKS IN IT, AND NOW IT'S ALL OVERGROWN.
AND I'M, MATTER OF FACT, I'M TOTALLY SURPRISED THAT THE CITY OF CHANDLER HASN'T NOTIFIED THE RESIDENCE IN THAT AREA, THAT, THAT THE DITCH NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF BECAUSE, UM, WE'VE GOT, WE, WE'VE GOT THE, THAT NEW PROPERTY AND THEN THE CONDO PROPERTY AND THEN THE, THE, UM, NURSING HOME THAT ARE THERE.
SO NONE OF THEM USE THE DITCH.
SO IT'S ALL THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THOSE OF US IN THE, IN THE COUNTY PROPERTY TO MAKE, MAINTAIN THE DITCHES AND MAKE SURE, AND THAT, UH, THE WATER FLOW IS, IS GOOD AND, AND WE GET NO HELP OR ASSISTANCE FROM THAT SIDE.
UM, AND THEN, GOD, THERE WAS ONE MORE THING.
UM, THE DITCH, OH, THE FIRETRUCKS.
IF YOU, I I, DO YOU GUYS GO AND LOOK AT THESE PROPERTIES BEFORE, BEFORE YOU HAVE THESE MEETINGS, THERE'S NO WAY A FIRETRUCK CAN GO DOWN THAT, THAT ROAD THAT OF, OF THE, UM, THAT NEW PROPERTY THAT THEY BUILT.
SO THEY, WHAT THEY DID IS THEY BUILT AN, UH, AN ENTRANCE THAT'S LOCKED TO THE CONDO THAT'S JUST SOUTH OF THEM, SO THAT IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY THAT THEY WILL, UM, THEY'LL GO THROUGH THE CONDOS TO GET TO THAT STREET BECAUSE YOU CAN BARELY DRIVE DOWN THAT STREET.
AND WE HAVE FRIENDS IN MARBLE, UM, ESTATE, WHICH IS A, WHICH IS THE PRO, UH, THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ON, SORRY, I KNOW NEIGHBORHOOD ON THAT'S ON PRICE.
AND SO NOW PEOPLE FROM THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT ARE PARKING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ENOUGH PARKING ON THAT STREET.
SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE MIGHT ENCOUNTER WITH THIS NEW DEPARTMENT.
UM, TO STAFF ON A COUPLE THINGS, MA'AM.
ON THE, ON THE WATER, ON THE, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, WHEN YOU BUILD THE, THIS, THE MARICOPA COUNTY HAS VERY STRICT RULES ABOUT DUST CONTROL.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S A LOT OF WATER USED JUST TO KEEP THE DUST DOWN, JUST TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
UM, STAFF ON THE DITCH ISSUE, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REED PORTER PROJECT, I'M GUESSING ON, ON PRICE ROAD, WILL YOU GET WITH OUR, OUR YOU GUYS TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY DAMAGE THAT
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THAT'S FIXED, THAT SHOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY.UM, AND ALSO ON PARKING, UM, THAT'S A RENTAL THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE RESPONSIBLE KEEPING THEIR PARKING ON THEIR SITE.
UM, SO IF YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
THE SPEED THING IS THE SPEED THING'S A PROBLEM IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD, IN EVERY CITY, ALL THROUGH CHANDLER THAT, UM, AND YOU'RE 91ST STREETS IN THE COUNTY, SO IT'D HAVE TO BE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
BUT IF IT'S EVEN IN, IN, IN THE, UH, ORANGE TREE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH SPEEDERS, THE BEST THING TO DO IS GET AHOLD OF THE BEAT SERGEANT.
UH, IT'S A PROBLEM THROUGHOUT OUR CITY.
PEOPLE THINK THEY 35 OR 45 DOESN'T MEAN 35 OR 45, IT MEANS 60.
SO, UM, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS AND WE'LL HAVE STAFF TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE THINGS YOU BROUGHT UP THOUGH.
ANYBODY ELSE, MR. PEW, IF YOU'D LIKE THEN TO, ANY REBUTTAL OR YOU'RE GOOD? NO, WE'RE GOOD.
WITH THAT, I AM GONNA CLOSE THE FLOOR AND ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER LOPEZ? YEAH, I'LL GO FIRST.
UM, SO, UH, SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW THIS, I AM NEW TO PLANNING AND ZONING, BUT I DID SERVE, I JUST FINISHED UP MY, UH, EIGHT YEARS ON THE CHALLENGE CITY COUNCIL.
SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS IN HERE TOO WANNA, YOU KNOW, ELABORATE MORE ON, UM, SOME HERE ON THE DIAS AND MAYBE SOME AFTERWARDS.
AGAIN, A LOT CONCERNS WERE BROUGHT UP ABOUT WATER.
UM, I CAN TALK TO YOU A LOT, UH, AFTERWARDS.
UM, BUT CHANDLER IS GOOD WITH WATER AND WE TALK ABOUT THE GROWTH.
WE'VE GOT A HUNDRED YEAR WATER ASSURED WATER SUPPLY FOR CHANDLER.
SO ALL OF THIS AT A HUNDRED PERCENT BUILDOUT IS PART OF THAT CALCULATION.
SO OUR GROWTH IS ALREADY BUILT INTO THAT.
PLUS WE HAVE, I THINK IT'S 15%, UM, UH, ABOVE AND BEYOND EVEN AT A HUNDRED YEAR BUILDOUT.
SO, UH, WATERWISE, WE'RE GOOD, UH, BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE CONCERNS.
UH, SO IF YOU WANNA LEARN MORE ABOUT IT ON HOW CHANDLER DEALS WITH IT, I CAN SPEAK WITH YOU AFTERWARDS.
UM, TRAFFIC, UH, AS, UH, CHAIR SAID ABOUT SPEEDING AND WE ALL, WE ALL DEAL WITH IT, ESPECIALLY AROUND SCHOOLS.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A WAY NOT JUST CONTACTED POLICE, WE BE CONTACT, UH, CHANDLER TRAFFIC.
THEY CAN SET UP, UM, UH, TRAFFIC COUNTERS SO THEY CAN SEE SPEEDING, THEY CAN SEE COUNTS.
AND THIS IS HOW A LOT OF STUDIES ARE DONE TO DETERMINE WHETHER STOP SIGNS AND OR STREETLIGHTS OR OTHER THINGS WOULD BE A NEED TO ALTER IN ORDER TO ALTER TRAFFIC FLOW.
SO IF YOU DO FEEL THERE'S A LOT, AGAIN, A BIG PROBLEM WITH THE SPEEDING ON NESS, PLEASE CONTACT OUR TRAFFIC, UH, DEPARTMENT AND THEY CAN GET SOME, UH, METERS OUT THERE AND START TRACKING THAT.
IF, I DUNNO IF IT DOES SPEEDING, IT KNOW IT DOES COUNTS, BUT I'M SEEING NODS THAT THEY ALSO DO CHECK SPEED.
SO, UM, AND THEN THAT WAY IF THE NUMBERS ARE BAD, ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS BY AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS REAL BAD.
UH, WE WOUND UP, UH, UH, POSTING A, A POLICE OFFICER THERE, UH, CONSISTENTLY SO THAT IT KIND OF SLOWED THE TRAFFIC DOWN.
SO ONE THERE, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE, UH, APPLICANT WOULD NOT ANSWER THIS OR, OR SOMEBODY FROM STAFF, UM, ON THE TRAFFIC.
ALSO, UH, TIMING OF THE STUDY, MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT SINCE IT WAS, AGAIN, THIS WAS DIFFERENT THAN ALL THE OTHER PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED, UM, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FOR THE, FOR THE BILL OUT HERE, CUZ THOSE WERE LARGER UNITS.
I THINK THERE WAS MORE COUNT, HIGHER COUNT THE LAST TIME WHEN IT CAME THROUGH COUNCIL ON DIDN'T GO, UM, THAT THIS WAS SMALLER.
SO MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT IT WAS A NEW TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS COUNT THAT WAS DONE NOT ONE FROM TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO.
SO, UH, NOT ONLY DO WE, WE HAD, UH, REPORTERS GROUP SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
UH, WE HAD THIS GROUP SUBMIT ONE AS WELL.
UM, WE DON'T SIMPLY TAKE THEIR COUNTS AND THEN THEIR ESTIMATIONS, UM, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER THEN LOOKS AT, WE, WE'VE BEEN COUNTING THAT.
I THINK WE RECENTLY COUNTED THAT ROAD AS WELL.
AND SO SHE GOES AND LOOKS AT WHAT THEY SAID THIS WILL PROJECT TO PROVIDE AND THEN MEASURE THAT AGAINST WHAT WE MEASURED OUT IN THE FIELD TODAY.
SO, UM, MOUS, WE'VE HONESTLY TRULY BEEN LOOKING AT THIS SITE FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS,
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAD UP TO DATE STUDY.
UM, AND THEN IRRIGATION DITCH, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND AGAIN, I REMEMBER SOME PREVIOUS ONES THAT HAD COME THROUGH, UH, ARGUING ON WHO OWNS THE DITCH, WHO MAINTAINS THE DITCH.
UM, AGAIN, THIS SEEMS TO BE OUT OF THE PURVIEW OF THIS CASE.
SO DITCH IS SUPPOSED TO BE MAINTAINED AS IT WAS FROM PREVIOUS OWNERS, NOTHING CITY AND, AND THE, UH, THE APPLICANT ARE DOING NOTHING TO MAINTAIN OR QUANTIFY THE DITCH.
OKAY, SO JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
SO AS IT WAS YESTERDAY, IT IS TO BE TOMORROW WITH THE DITCH.
UH, AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT.
WE HAD SOME PRO, SOME AGAINST, UH, I TRY TO TELL THIS TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT DO COME AND SPEND, TAKE TIME OUT OF YOUR OWN DAY TO COME OUT AND DEAL WITH CITY GOVERNMENT.
SO I UNDERSTAND IT CAN BE FRUSTRATING.
UM, BUT WE DO LISTEN, EVERYBODY ON THE DIOCESE, WE ALL LIVE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE'RE GONNA BE LIVING, UH, NEXT DOOR OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN DOWN THE STREET AND USE THESE STREETS OURSELVES.
UM, SO WE DO CONSIDER YOUR INPUT.
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UH, WE MAY NOT AGREE WITH YOU ON, ON WHERE IT MAY END UP OR WHAT IN WHAT SIDE OF THE FENCE.UM, BUT DON'T, PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT AS WE ARE NOT LISTENING AND WE DON'T CARE.
UM, BUT THAT WE ARE HAVING TO EVALUATE IT FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AS A WHOLE.
UH, AND AS PART OF THAT, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST A RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE COUNCIL.
UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS TO US, WE RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL.
AND AGAIN, THIS ALL ENDS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO, UH, IF YOU FEEL IT DOESN'T GO YOUR WAY OR IF YOU DO FEEL IT GOES YOUR WAY AND YOU DON'T WANT IT TO CHANGE, UH, PLEASE DO ENGAGE WITH THE COUNCIL, UH, IN NEXT WEEK WHEN IT COMES BEFORE THEM.
UH, THAT, UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE MOTION ON THIS CASE? I'D HAVE TO LOOK IT UP.
YEAH, THAT'S WHY I HAVE IT ON PRESENTATION RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS IS, UH, YEAH, SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE REZONING PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND PRELIMINARY PLAT OF P L H 2218 AND P 2 22 DASH ONE SEVEN HONEYSUCKLE TRAIL LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WARNER ROAD AND BULL NEWS DRIVE, APPROXIMATELY ONE HALF MILE WAIST WEST OF DOBSON ROAD.
OKAY, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND.
ANY ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? I I DO WANNA, UH, COMMISSIONER LOPEZ.
I ALMOST SAID COUNCIL MEMBER, WE SERVE TOGETHER.
UH, COMMISSIONER LOPEZ'S COMMENTS.
UM, THIS IS, WE ARE JUST RECOMMENDING BODY NUMBER ONE.
I I, I DO WANT TO COMMEND THE APPLICANT AND STAFF.
I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN AN, A LONG PROCESS.
THIS IS AN EYESORE IN THE AREA.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE CHALLENGES AND, YOU KNOW, ON TRAFFIC AS WE BUILD OUT OUR CITY, I'VE BEEN HERE 50 YEARS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC.
I MOVED IN, I LIVED IN HEATHER BROOK NORTH OF YOU GUYS, UM, BACK IN THE EIGHTIES WHEN THERE WAS WASN'T A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
UH, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT PEOPLE WANNA LIVE IN PHOENIX.
I GUESS IT'S A GOOD AND A BAD, UM, TRAFFIC HAPPENS.
I THINK THE IMPACT ON THIS IS 48 UNITS.
IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MINIMAL, BUT IT DOES CLEAN UP A SITUATION THAT IS AN ISO.
UM, WE HAVE ANOTHER FLOOD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE HA HOMES BEING DAMAGED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, I REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT CHARTER SCHOOLS.
CHARTER SCHOOLS COULD BUY THIS PROPERTY AND THERE'S NOT MUCH WE COULD DO.
AND IF YOU GO BY SOME OF THE CHARTER SCHOOLS AROUND THE CITY, YOU WANNA SEE TRAFFIC.
SO, UM, I THINK THIS WAS A GOOD USE.
I THINK THE BUILDER HAS DONE A GOOD JOB, UH, WORKING WITH US.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED.
THE MEETINGS, THE TWO MEETINGS VERSUS ONE, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT, UH, DWAYNE'S IN THE AUDIENCE.
I KNOW HE'S BEEN AT EVERY COMMISSION MEETING AND COUNCIL MEETING FOREVER WORKING ON THIS TO MAKE IT A BETTER THING.
IT'S, AND WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GONNA AGREE ON STUFF.
THERE'S GIVE AND TAKES ON ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF, BUT, UM, I DO SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL CHAIR, CHAIR IF I COULD, SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
DID WE HAVE ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS READ IN? SO WE WE DID HAVE A STIPULATION THAT WAS TWEAKED.
SO IF, SO I THINK THE MOTION NEEDS TO REFERENCE JUST REFERENCE COMMISSIONER LOPEZ IN THE SECOND IF YOU WANT TO ALLOW HIM TO JUST STAFF.
DO YOU WANNA JUST READ, READ THAT IN? THAT'S THE BEST WAY IF I, YEAH, SO IF, IF I CAN THEN JUST ADD THAT, UH, WHY DON'T WE HAVE STAFF READ, READ IT IN.
SO IT'S AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION.
UH, SO PDP STIPULATION NUMBER 11, THE SAME ELEVATION AND OR FLOOR PLAN SHALL NOT BE BUILT SIDE BY SIDE ON LOTS ONE THROUGH EIGHT BACKING TO WARNER ROAD.
SO, YEAH, SO, UH, MOTION 11 WITH, UH, READY STIPULATIONS, THE SECOND OKAY WITH THAT? CORRECT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT, SAY AYE.
COUNSEL SLATE AGAIN, WE'RE RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
THIS GO, UH, STAFF, WHEN IS THIS GOING TO COUNCIL CHAIR? HUMAN, UH, THIS WILL BE ON THE, UH, JUNE, THURSDAY, JUNE 29TH.
OKAY, SO TO THE AUDIENCE, YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AT THAT TIME TO GO BACK IN, IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.
THEY MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON THIS.
WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING BODY ON IT, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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ANY COMMENTS FROM STAFF? UH, A COUPLE THINGS CHAIR.SO, UH, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS HAD BROUGHT UP, UH, HOMELESS AND, UH, THERE IS ACTUALLY A, UH, A HOTLINE, UH, ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
UH, WE'VE GOT A FANTASTIC, UH, COMMUNITY NAVIGATOR GROUP, UH, LED BY MISSY GEEN.
UM, AND THEY'RE GREAT AT, AT LINKING PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WITH, UH, THE SERVICES NEEDED TO GET OUT OF THAT.
JUST WANTED TO OUT TO THE PUBLIC WHAT THE PHONE NUMBER IS.
SO IT'S (480) 782-4302 IS THAT CHANDLER CARES LINE.
UM, AND THAT WILL, IF YOU SEE SOMEBODY, YOU SEE A GROUP, YOU SEE SOMETHING, THAT'S THE NUMBER TO CALL, UM, AND THEN THEY'RE ON IT.
AND THEN THE, UH, THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO MENTION, UH, A LOT
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OF PEOPLE KNOW AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T, UH, BUT IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT WE'VE GOT DEREK CORN.UH, AND TONIGHT IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE, BE HIS LAST PC MEETING HERE.
UH, AS OUR DIRECTOR, SINCE WE HAVE, WE WON'T BE HAVING THE NEXT PC MEETING BEFORE HE FORMALLY RETIRES FROM THE CITY OF CHANDLER.
SO HE WAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR FOR FIVE YEARS.
WE'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH HIM FOR FIVE YEARS.
UH, WHEN HE ENTERED, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING REGARDING HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AND IN THAT TIME, HE CREATED THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE AND HE HAD THE TWO ITEMS THAT WENT ON THE, ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
UH, THAT WENT FOR THE AGENDA ITEM THAT WENT FOR TONIGHT.
SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE DEREK, THANK HIM FOR FIVE YEARS.
I I WANNA REITERATE WHAT KEVIN SAID.
UM, YOU WORKED REALLY HARD ON A LOT FOR THE CITY.
UM, YOUR LOVE OF, UH, HISTORIC STUFF IS ALSO GREAT.
UM, AND NEXT TIME YOU HAVE TO HELP MAKE SURE STAFF KNOWS IT'S WILLIAMSFIELD, IT WASN'T GENERAL OR, BUT, UM, THANK YOU JOE FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE, ENJOY YOUR RETIREMENT AS WELL.
[12. The next Regular Meeting will be held on Wednesday, July19, 2023, in the Chandler City Council Chambers, 88 E. Chicago Street, Chandler Arizona.]
WE WILL NOT MEET AGAIN UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF JULY.SO WISH EVERYBODY A VERY HAPPY 4TH OF JULY CELEBRATION.
BE, BE SAFE AND EVERYBODY HAVE, UH, GREAT REST OF YOUR NIGHT.