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CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF NOVEMBER 7TH.LAST ON OUR AGENDA IS A COUNCIL CITY STU STUDY SESSION UP TONIGHT.
[ Call to Order]
ORDER.AND CLERK ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE.
[1. Service Recognitions]
NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS SCHEDULED PUBLIC APPEARANCES.TODAY WE ONLY HAVE SERVICE RECOGNITIONS.
AND COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN ME FRONT? THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
WE DO HAVE FOUR SERVICE RECOGNITIONS THIS EVENING.
I'D LIKE TO START BY INVITING OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR, JOHN SETH, IN FORWARD TO MAKE HIS PRESENTATION.
IT'S AN HONOR TO BRING FORWARD TONIGHT MR. ROBERT AARONS.
AARONS BEGAN HIS CAREER AS A PARK MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN IN 1997.
HE CAME TO THE CITY WITH A WEALTH OF MECHANICAL KNOWLEDGE AND HE HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AND WE HAVE NOT LET HIM STOP.
ROB IS, HAS A KEEN EYE FOR DETAIL AND FOR MANY YEARS HAS HELD THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MANAGING AND MAINTAINING THE PARTS DIVISION'S BACKFLOW PREVENTION PROGRAM, A VERY IMPORTANT PROGRAM FOR THE CITY.
ROB APPLIES HIS EXPERTISE, KEEPING THE PARKS WATER SYSTEMS SAFE FOR EVERYONE, WHILE ALSO SHARING HIS EXPERIENCE WITH DEPARTMENTS CITYWIDE.
ROB HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN ALL THINGS TRADE RELATED, INCLUDING RESTROOM, PLUMBING, WELDING, PLAYGROUND AND PARK AMENITY REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS, AND OF COURSE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF OUR FAMOUS TUMBLEWEED CHRISTMAS TREE.
ROB'S PRIDE AND PERFECTION SHOW THROUGH IN HIS DAILY WORK.
HE'S A CONTRIBUTOR AND A CLUTCH PLAYER FOR TEAM CHANDLER.
ALWAYS WILLING TO GIVE AN EXTRA HAND AND TO SHARE HIS KNOWLEDGE, EXPERIENCE AND TALENTS.
ROB, WE THANK YOU FOR A QUARTER CENTURY OVER 50,000 HOURS OF SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF CHANDLER.
AND COUNCIL FOR OUR NEXT PRESENTATION.
I'D LIKE TO INVITE FORWARD KIM MOYERS, OUR CULTURAL DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, MAYOR COUNCIL.
I'D LIKE TO CALL UP JODY KREO.
FOR 15 YEARS OF SERVICE, JODY HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN HONORING ANDING CHANDLERS RICH HISTORY FOR ALL TO ENJOY TODAY AND INTO THE FUTURE.
HE ASSISTED IN THE CREATION OF THE MUSEUM DIVISION AND SUPERVISED THE TRANSFER OF OPERATING THE CHANDLER MUSEUM FROM THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY TO THE CITY OF CHANDLER, HE CREATED MANY OF THE PROGRAMMING DATA COLLECTIONS AND EVENTS WE SEE TODAY, INCLUDING THE MUSEUM FIELD TRIP PROGRAM ACQUIRED SEVERAL MAJOR COLLECTIONS FOR THE PERMANENT COLLECTION, UH, HOST THE CHANDLER CHECKOFF, CHUCK WAGON, COOKOFF, CHANDLER PIA, THE MUSEUM TRIVIA NIGHT, AND ASSISTED WITH THE RESTORATION AND RELOCATION OF THE F 86 D SABER DOG JET, JUST TO NAME A FEW.
JOIE HELPED PLAN, DESIGN, BUILD AND PROGRAM THE NEW CHANDLER MUSEUM THAT OPENED IN LATE 2019 AND SPEARHEADED THE FORMATION OF THE CHANDLER MUSEUM FOUNDATION.
JODY IS THE GO-TO GUY FOR ALL THINGS HISTORIC AND CHANDLER.
AND AS A SIDE NOTE, HE IS A WONDERFUL STORYTELLER.
THANK YOU, JODY, FOR 15 YEARS OF SERVICE AND CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT YOU ACCOMPLISH IN YOUR NEXT 15 YEARS.
FOR OUR NEXT PRESENTATION, I'D LIKE TO INVITE BACK TO THE PODIUM, OUR FIRE CHIEF TOM DWIS TO MAKE HIS PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO CALL UP TRIANA SULLIVAN, PLEASE.
TONIGHT, TRIANA, CELEBRATING 15 YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THE CITY OF CHANDLER SINCE THE DAY SHE STARTED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
TRINA'S BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN DEVELOPING AND MANAGING MANY OF
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OUR COMMUNITY PROGRAMS, WHETHER IT'S A STATION, OPEN HOUSE, A SMOKE DETECTOR WALK, OR A VISIT TO A LOCAL SCHOOL.TRINA'S INFLUENCE OVER THESE EVENTS HAVE ALWAYS GUARANTEED A SUCCESSFUL EXPERIENCE WITH OUR COMMUNITY.
ALTHOUGH SHE HAS MANAGED MANY PROGRAMS, THE ONE THAT STANDS OUT THE MOST IS OUR CAR SEAT PROGRAM.
BECAUSE OF TRINA'S EFFORTS, THOUSANDS OF KIDS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY NOW HAVE A PROPERLY INSTALLED CAR SEAT BY A CERTIFIED TECHNICIAN.
TRI HAS SUCCESSFULLY SECURED GRANT FUNDING, RECRUITED CAR SEAT TECHNICIANS, AND MANAGED PARTNERSHIPS WITH EXTERNAL STA STAKEHOLDERS, ALL LEADING TO ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL CAR SEAT PROGRAMS IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.
TRIANA, WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE AND WE CONGRATULATE YOU ON 15 YEARS OF SERVICE.
MAYOR, IF I COULD SAY ONE OTHER THING, UH, BETWEEN US, SHE DOESN'T WANT ANYONE TO KNOW, BUT IT'S HER BIRTHDAY TONIGHT, SO JUST, JUST KEEP IT IN HERE.
I'D LIKE TO INVITE FORWARD OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES DIRECTOR JOHN KNUTSON.
THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I'D LIKE TO, UH, INVITE LOOPY DEAL TO COME FORWARD TONIGHT FOR HER 15 YEARS OF SERVICE.
LOOPY STARTED HER CAREER WITH CITI AS A BOX OFFICE ASSOCIATE WITH A CENTER OF ARTS IN 2007.
SHE LATER JOINED SOLID WASTE TEAM IN 2010.
TAKING ON THE ROLE OF SOLID WASTE CUSTOMER REPRESENTATIVE, LOOPY OFTEN GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND TO ASSIST OUR CALLERS, ENSURING THAT SHE HAS ADDRESSED ALL THEIR NEEDS AND CONCERNS, PROVIDING THEM WITH EXCEPTIONAL CUSTOMER SERVICE.
LUPE IS KNOWN BY HER TEAM FOR BEING DEPENDABLE, COMMITTED, AND JUST A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE.
LUPE, YOU ARE EXTREMELY VALUED AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE CITY OF CHANDLER FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU FOR MANY MORE.
AND ONE OTHER ITEM, I DIDN'T REALIZE IT UNTIL SHE TOLD ME TONIGHT THAT YOU HAD WORKED 13 YEARS PREVIOUS TO JOINING THE CITY AS A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE AT THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS AS A TEMP.
SO SHE'S ACTUALLY BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR 28 YEARS.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR SERVICE RECOGNITIONS THIS EVENING.
SO FUN TO HONOR HER GREAT EMPLOYEES.
ALL RIGHT, UH, WE HAVE A FEW ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN CALLED IN FOR PRESENTATION OR QUESTIONS.
[4. Introduction and Tentative Adoption of Ordinance No. 5037, Rezoning and Preliminary Development Plan, PLH22-0035 The District Downtown, located at the Northwest Corner of Arizona Avenue and the SanTan 202 Freeway Rezoning Move City Council introduce and tentatively adopt Ordinance No. 5037 approving PLH22-0035 The District Downtown, Rezoning from PAD for office, retail, and hotel to PAD for mixed used development including multi-family, office, and commercial uses as permitted under Community Commercial (C-2) type uses a with Mid-Rise Overlay allowing for building heights up to 120 feet, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning and Zoning Commission. Preliminary Development Plan Move City Council approve Preliminary Development Plan PLH22-0035 for site layout and conceptual building architecture, subject to the conditions as recommended by Planning and Zoning Commission. Council Focus Area(s):]
THE FIRST JUST CALLED IN BY MYSELF.AND COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, DISTRICT DOWNTOWN.
FIRST WE'LL HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION ON THIS OR ARE THERE SPECIFIC OR WOULD YOU YEAH.
GOOD AFTERNOON, OR GOOD AFTERNOON.
ITEM FOUR BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
UH, IT'S A REQUEST FOR REZONING AS WELL AS A PDP, UH, AND A REZONING TO ALLOW FOR MID-RISE OVERLAY, ALLOWING FOR HEIGHTS UP TO 120 FEET.
UH, THE SUBJECT SITE CURRENTLY HAS, UH, ZONING AND PDP APPROVAL FOR OFFICE, COMMERCIAL AND A HOTEL.
UH, THE MOST RECENT SITE PLAN APPROVED WAS IN 2012, AND IT'S SEEN BEFORE YOU.
THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TODAY IS TO AMEND THIS TO ADD SOME, UH, RESIDENTIAL TO CREATE A TRUE MIXED
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USE DEVELOPMENT.UM, THE DEVELOPMENT WILL INCLUDE, UH, RESIDENTIAL OFFICE IN BLUE, COMMERCIAL AND ORANGE, AS WELL AS, UH, SOME MIXED USE BUILDINGS AND AN OFFICE.
SUBJECT SITE'S APPROXIMATELY 44.7 ACRES.
LARGE STAFF WILL BE RE PARDON ME, WILL BE REVIEWING ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS ADMINISTRATIVELY.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED EXHIBITS OF THE QUALITY OF ARCHITECTURE THAT WILL BE PROVIDED BEFORE YOU ARE THE OFFICES PROPOSED COMMERCIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY.
THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN SPECIAL CONSIDERATION INTO CONNECTION BETWEEN THESE DIFFERENT USES, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN REALM, AS WELL AS CREATING AN OUTDOOR AMENITY AND GATHERING SPACE FOR PUBLIC UPON ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
UH, THIS PHASING PLAN BEFORE YOU PHASE ONE WOULD BE TWO OFFICES, ONE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, THE MAIN DRIVE STREET, MAIN STREET THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS ALL LANDSCAPING, UH, ALONG PACOS AND ARIZONA AVENUE AND OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS AT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
UH, THE CHAIR HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT PHASING.
UH, SO THE APPLICANT HAS STATED PRIOR TO THE, UH, SECOND DEVELOPMENT OF THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, ALL COMMERCIAL LOCATED ALONG ARIZONA AVENUE WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE SECOND PHASE OF MULTIFAMILY BEING CONSTRUCTED.
UM, WE LEFT IT OPEN AS FOR THE PHASING TO SEE HOW THE MARKET WOULD DRIVE IT.
UH, THERE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
AS OF TODAY, STAFF IS UNAWARE OF ANY CONCERNS.
UH, STAFF IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AS IT FALLS WITHIN A GROWTH AREA AND NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN OUR GENERAL PLAN.
UH, WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I JUST HAVE ONE, AND, AND AGAIN, MAYBE THERE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENCE IN, IN, UH, P E VERSUS PDP, BUT, SO AT ITS INCEPTION, THIS WAS A MULTI, UH, USE PROJECT AND THE, THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE ON THE WEST SIDE WERE THE MULTI-USE HOUSING PART OF THIS.
AND THEN THIS 44 ACRE IS, WHICH IS NOW A PDP THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL P A D THAT, AND THIS WAS SLATED FOR, UH, JOBS, UH, APARTMENTS OR WHATEVER EL OR NOT APARTMENTS.
BUT IN ITS ORIGINAL INCEPTION, IT WAS A MIXED USE PROJECT AS WELL, CORRECT? UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR.
UH, THE ORIGINAL CASE FROM 1987, UH, SHOWED A, A MIX OF USES, INCLUDING THE APARTMENTS TO THE WEST AND SOUTH OF THE 2 0 2.
UH, IT WAS A MASTER PLAN PRIOR TO THE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SANTAN 2 0 2 FREEWAY.
AND I, I DON'T EVEN THINK, UH, THE, THE SENIOR COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO WAS, UH, WAS, WAS ENGAGED IN THAT ONE AT THAT POINT.
NO, BUT, UM, IS THERE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF, UH, WAS IT THE, THE ECONOMY OR, OR WHY DID IT NOT CONTINUE WITH THAT ORIGINAL PLAN AS DEVISED IN 87? IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T, UH, THAT'S OKAY.
I'LL HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS LATER, BUT, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A POWER CENTER RETAIL, UH, OFFICE AS YOU KNOW, THE 10 STORIES COMBINED THERE.
WELL, AS A SEVEN STORY HOTEL WITH A CONVENTION CENTER, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, VISION FOR THIS SITE AND THERE STILL IS A GOOD VISION FOR THIS SITE CUZ I THINK THIS IS THE LAST MAJOR PARCEL THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SO, AND I'VE HAD GOOD DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT.
AND I'M NOT CHALLENGING ANY OF THE, THE ROWS, THE CUT THROUGH, THE QUALITY, THE COLORS ALL GIVEN GREAT THOUGHT.
UM, AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE FIRST PHASE GOING CUZ I UNDERSTAND AND MARKET THE ECONOMICS AND THE DYNAMICS AND WE'LL GET AT LEAST, UH, FOUR STORIES OF OFFICE TO AT LEAST GIVE SOME MORE OFFICE FACING THE FREEWAY, WHICH IS PRETTY GOOD AT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
FOLKS WILL TELL YOU THAT'S A GOOD SITE FOR OFFICE COMPLEX.
UM, MY ISSUE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE HEART OF THIS ISSUE AS A RETAIL, A
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COMMERCIAL, AND I DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW IS HOW MANY SQUARE FEET, IF THIS IS BUILT OUT TO THE PLAN, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL WILL THIS BE IN TOTAL? DO YOU KNOW THAT? WHERE IS THE APPLICANT AT? EITHER WAY THROUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO? UH, THERE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY, UH, WITHOUT ADDING THIS UP QUICKLY, UH, 62,000, 79,000 SQUARE FEET OF, OF RETAIL IN THE TOTAL, ALL THIS RED HERE OR ORANGE COLOR THAT I'M LOOKING AT, JUST A MIX USE DOWN HERE.WHAT'S, WHAT'S PLANNED FOR THAT? YEP.
MIXED USE, UH, COULD BE A, UH, COMBINATION OF RETAIL, COMMERCIAL RESTAURANT DOWN ON THE BOTTOM, COMMERCIAL FOR, SO, AND THEN OFFICES UP TOP.
SO HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THAT FIRST FLOOR OR SECOND FLOOR THAT WOULD ADD TO THE COMMERCIAL? I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER THAT TO THE APPLICANT.
ROUGHLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET ROUGHLY, I'M JUST GUESSING IN THAT AREA TOTAL.
WELL, PER MY PLANS, THE MIXED USE BUILDINGS BETWEEN THE TWO OF 'EM, UH, IT TOTALS 47,500 SQUARE FEET.
YEAH, SO AGAIN, OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND, POTENTIALLY OVER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN I APPRECIATE, UH, UH, PLAYING ZONING, COMMISSIONER, HUMAN AND THE REST OF THE SUIT FOR, UH, ASKING FOR A LITTLE MORE DETAILED ON PHASE TWO, WHICH AGAIN WILL BE ON THIS PAGE.
PARCEL FOUR, WHICH IS BE THE APARTMENT'S LACK OF BETTER TERM ON PACE PACOS ROAD NORTH OF THE COMPLEX.
UM, MY CONCERN HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE RETAIL ON THIS ISSUE THAT'S DRIVES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SALES TAX THAT GOES TOWARDS THE PARKS DIRECTS THE POLICE TO FIRE ALL THE AMENITIES THAT CHANDLER HAS BECOME USED TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
UM, WHEN THEY CAME BACK WITH A STEP THAT IT WAS JUST BE LONG ARIZONA AVENUE.
I LOOK AT THAT AND I SAY THAT IS LOW REALLY COMPARED TO THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF RETAIL, AND YET WE'RE ALREADY DEVELOPING ABOUT A FIFTH, MAYBE TWO FIFTH OF THIS PARCEL WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEX MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS FINE, BUT WE'RE NOT GETTING FULL VALUE OF THE RETAIL.
AND I'VE EXPRESSES THE APPLICANT AND THEY'VE GOT SOME MARKETING DRIVEN IDEAS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT IF THEY CAN'T DO THE RETAIL, WHAT ARE THE OTHER TRADE OFFS? AGAIN, WE HAVE TO BE, UH, I APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER COMING FORWARD.
HE DID A GREAT JOB OVER THE LAST 10, 15 YEARS TRYING TO BUY OUT PARTNERSHIP AND MAKING THIS A SINGLE OWNER WHERE THAT'S, HE CAN NOW CONTROL WHAT GOES THERE AND I BELIEVE HE'LL DO WHATEVER HE SAYS HE'LL DO ON THIS PARCEL.
BUT THE QUESTION IS A TIMING AND HOW FAST WE COULD GET THESE OTHER RETAIL IN, IN ORDER TO DRIVE.
THE MORE, UH, IN MY, IN MY MIND, THE MORE, UH, ECONOMIC VALUE TO THE CITIZEN OF CHANDLER.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL LET THE DEVELOPER GIVE YOU SOME ANSWERS ON THAT.
HOW'S THAT IS, WOULD YOU LIKE THE APPLICANT TO COME UP
LET'S SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UM, COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR LAUREN? MAYOR? MAYOR, I'M, I'M NOT SEEING WHO THAT IS.
OH, FROM ABOVE COUNCIL MEMBER.
SO, UM, JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT WE REFERENCED SOMETHING FROM BACK IN 87 WHEN THIS WAS FIRST, UH, KIND OF PUT TOGETHER AS PART OF A LARGER MASTER PLAN.
THINGS HAVE CHANGED CONSIDERABLY, OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER ENTER BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING POINT ABOUT RETAIL, RIGHT? WE'VE SEEN SOME RETAIL CHALLENGES, BUT LOOKS LIKE OUR, OUR VACANCY RATE'S PRETTY LOW IN THE CITY UNTIL WE COULD LIKELY USE MORE.
BUT I, I'M SEEING THAT WE EXTENDED ZONING TO APARTMENTS IN, IN, IN, IN 89, AND THEN THOSE APARTMENTS WAS A DECADE AND THEY WERE BUILT IN 2000 AND THEN WE AMENDED THE ZONING IN 2007 FOR THIS MID-RISE OVERLAY FOR 120 FEET FOR THE ENTIRE SITE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU'RE PLANNING FOR SOMETHING GRAND, RIGHT? YOU'RE GRAND, YOU'RE, AND IN TALKING WITH OUR, UM, BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, MICAH MIRANDA, YOU KNOW, HE'S EXPRESSED THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ALWAYS THIS, THIS HOPE THAT THERE MIGHT BE A, SOME MEETING SPACE IN THE HOTEL, ET CETERA, AND THAT SO MAY HAPPEN.
UM, MY, MY BIGGEST, UH, MY BIGGEST QUESTION IS WHERE WAS THE 2016 PLAN AS IT RELATES TO THE GENERAL PLAN ON THIS? AND DOES THIS FIT WITHIN THIS AND WHY ARE, WHY IS STAFF RECOMMENDING THAT IF IT, IF IT'S NOT CONGRUENT WITH THAT? IF IT IS, I GET IT
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THROUGH THE MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER STUART STUART, IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, UM, UNDER THE GENERAL PLAN, THE, THE SUBJECT SITE IS DESIGNATED AS NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH ALLOWS FOR A VARIETY OF USES, DIFFERENT TYPES OF DENSITIES, COMMERCIAL TYPE USES, AS WELL AS IT FALLS WITHIN A GROWTH AREA.UH, MORE SPECIFICALLY THE DOWNTOWN GROWTH AREA.
SO THIS IS THE CORRIDOR LEADING INTO OUR DOWNTOWN AREA.
UM, AND SO THE PREVIOUS PLANS, YOU KNOW, THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL, WERE STILL MEETING THE INTENT AND THE GOALS OF OUR GENERAL PLAN.
AND THE PLAN BEFORE US, AS WELL AS STILL MEETING THAT AS IT'S A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND IT FALLS IN LINE WITH THE GOALS OF THE GENERAL PLAN, THE 2016 GENERAL PLAN.
I HAD, UM, I TALKED TO THE APPLICANT AS WELL AND I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME, UH, HIS, THERE WERE SOME HISTORICAL, UH, SOME HISTORICAL THINGS THAT THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH IN TERMS OF THE BUSINESS PART, IN TERMS OF THE LAND AND EVERYTHING.
UM, BUT MY, MY, UH, UH, WHAT PARTS OF THIS, SO WE HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT OUT, AND THEN I KNOW THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT THE OUTER STRUCTURE BEING BUILT OUT.
DO WE HAVE ANY LIKE, UM, TIMELINES OR ANY IDEAL OF HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE THE APPLICANT TO DO, TO GO FROM A TO Z JUST WITH THE PROJECT THAT THEY ALREADY PROPOSE THAT THEY'RE, THEY CAN DO? DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE OF HOW FAST WILL IT TAKE FOR THE, THE ARTERIAL ROLES WITHIN THE PROJECT TO BE BUILT? HOW LONG IS IT GONNA TAKE FOR THE HOUSING WE BUILD? I KNOW THEY TALKED ABOUT PUTTING UP, UM, SOME RETAIL IN THE FRONT AND THEN I KNOW I SEEN A SIGN, UH, A SIGNAGE TO IDENTIFY THE PROPERTY.
DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, TIMELINE IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY ALREADY PROPOSED THEY CAN GET FILLED? DO WE HAVE A TIME HOW LONG THAT'S GONNA TAKE TO GET BILL THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS? UH, GREAT QUESTION.
UH, THAT'S PROBABLY BETTER DIRECTED TOWARDS THE APPLICANT.
UH, AS I CAN SHOW YOU UNDER PHASE ONE, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO DO THAT MAIN STREET FROM ARIZONA AVENUE THROUGH THE SITE IN NORTH TO PACOS ROAD TO OFFICE BUILDINGS WITH ASSOCIATED PARKING, AND THEN THE FIRST PHASE OF THE MULTI-FAMILY.
UM, SEEING NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP FOR FURTHER QUESTIONS.
MAYOR, WHILE HE IS COMING UP, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER.
NORMALLY WE DO THIS ON AN ACTION ITEM.
I'M GLAD WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU DOING IT TONIGHT TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ON THIS ISSUE IN THE EVENT WE DO COME UP WITH SOME ALTERNATE LANGUAGE, SO THANK YOU.
AND IT IS CURRENTLY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, SO IT'S NOT AN ACTION ITEM AT THIS POINT AS FAR AS TAKING, TAKING AN APPLICANT TO COMING FORWARD.
WE NORMALLY DON'T DO THAT STUDY SESSION.
I REALLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE APPLICANT SOME AT LEAST SOME TIME AS WELL.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORDS, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
BRENNAN RAY, 1850 NORTH CENTRAL, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT'S MERIDIAN WEST AND KAPLAN PARTNERS.
UM, AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS A HIGHLY UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE IN WHICH I WOULD MAKE A PRESENTATION BEFORE THIS GROUP, UH, AT A STUDY SESSION, AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO, UM, RECOGNIZING THAT IT IS AN EXCITING DEVELOPMENT AND ONE THAT, UH, MIGHT REQUIRE A LITTLE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, UM, BEFORE THIS COUNCIL CHOOSES TO TAKE ACTION.
SO, UM, LAUREN HAS DONE A, A GOOD JOB, UH, DESCRIBING THE DEVELOPMENT, AND I COULD GO INTO LENGTHS ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE, HOW WE'VE WORKED HAND IN GLOVE WITH STAFF ON THIS TO GET TO THIS POINT.
I CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT, UH, THE LACK OF NEIGHBORS, UH, AS WE'VE GONE TO TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND THERE WAS NO NEIGHBORS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, UH, WITH YOUR PERMISSION IS I WILL FOREGO A MAJORITY, UH, OF MY PRESENTATION, UM, AND JUST KIND OF FOCUS IN ON A COUPLE OF, OF KEY THINGS RELATIVE TO THE DISCUSSION THAT I JUST HEARD A SECOND AGO.
UH, SO THE QUESTION, ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS THAT I NOT DEALT WITH, WHAT ARE THE AMOUNTS AND WHAT'S WHAT'S PLANNED FOR THIS SITE? UH, AND, AND LAUREN, UH, WAS CORRECT WITH MY HELP IN THAT THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 79,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL, 47,000 SQUARE FEET OF MIXED USE, WHICH THOSE ARE THE PURPLE BUILDINGS.
UM, THERE'S AN APPROXIMATE 180 KEY, UH, HOTEL, THAT'S HOW THEY REFER TO IT IN THE HOTEL BUSINESS.
ANOTHER 364,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE, AND THEN 795 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS.
WITH RESPECT TO THE QUESTION OF THE MIXED USE AND, AND THROUGH THE, UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCILMAN ORLANDO IN TERMS OF IT, UM, THAT MIXED USE BUILDING, UH,
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THE ONE SPECIFICALLY AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE, UM, THAT HAS A BASE FLOOR PRINT OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET.UM, WE ARE HOPING, UM, TO GET ADDITIONAL STORIES ON TOP OF THAT TWO AND THREE STORIES, UM, THAT WILL IN COURSE, IN PART DEPEND ON THE ULTIMATE USER OF THAT BUILDING AND WHAT THEY WANT.
BUT AS WE VISITED WITH STAFF, WE FELT THAT THAT WAS AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION TO GET A MIXED USE BUILDING WITH SOME ADDITIONAL HEIGHT.
UH, AND GIVEN THE MIXED USE NATURE OF IT, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT A USER UNLIKE SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN ORANGE IN PARTICULAR, UH, WHERE WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE MORE CERTAINTY.
WE WANTED FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE IT TRULY A, A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, NOT ONLY, UH, ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT WITHIN INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS THEMSELVES.
UH, AND SO WHEN WE TALK NUMBERS, WE MIGHT NEED TO DO SOME MORE HOMEWORK ON IT, BUT I KNOW 79,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW WE LOOK AT IT, MAYBE ANOTHER 20 ISH THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF MIXED USE, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON, EXCUSE ME, ON THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
AND THAT, UM, NON-RESIDENTIAL AC UH, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT INCLUDE THE HOTEL, UM, THAT'S PLANNED TO BE ON THIS SITE.
UM, I WILL NOT GO THROUGH THE THEMEING, UM, FOR PURPOSES OF TONIGHT.
UH, LAUREN HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB SHARING A NUMBER OF THOSE.
UM, BUT IN PARTICULAR, I WOULD NOTE THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE ONLY A FEW NUMBER OF SLIDES AND PRESENTATION, UH, IT'S, THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET.
UM, EVERYTHING THAT IS IN HERE IS EVERYTHING THAT YOU WILL BE ACTING ON AND VOTING ON.
AND ADDITIONALLY, SOME CHANGES.
A LOT OF TIMES WE GET LOST WITH THE DIGITAL AGE OF HOW MUCH INFORMATION TRULY IS IN A PDF.
WE CAN SCROLL THROUGH A HUNDRED PAGES IN THE MATTER OF TWO MINUTES.
YET FOR PURPOSES, THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET, AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, HOW THICK IT IS WITH ALL THE EXHIBITS AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES IN IT TO GIVE EVERYBODY GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION.
BUT I THINK ONE OF THE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS THAT I'VE BEEN ASKED AND THAT, UH, MY CLIENT HAS BEEN ASKED AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, DEALS WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY TO BE CONSTRUCTED? WE'RE MINDFUL OF A PRIOR ZONING CASE AT CHANDLER BOULEVARD AND THE 1 0 1 WHERE THIS COUNCIL, UM, I UNDERSTOOD TOWARD THE END MADE A DECISION, UH, TO IMPOSE A STIPULATION ON THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT THAT REQUIRED, UH, THAT MULTI, THAT THE, UH, THAT THE COMMERCIAL BE BUILT BEFORE THE MULTI-FAMILY.
AND SO FROM THE VERY OUTSET, RECOGNIZING THAT THAT IS THE PRECEDENT IN THIS CITY, WE HAVE STR UM, STRIVED TO ACHIEVE THAT SAME GOAL.
UH, IN THIS INSTANCE, WE'VE GONE INTO A LOT MORE PARTICULAR DETAIL AND JUST TO EMPHASIZE SOMETHING THAT LAUREN SAID ON THE SCREEN, AND FOR THOSE WATCHING AT HOME, HOPEFULLY THEY'RE ABLE TO SEE AS WELL THAT THESE ARE THE PHASE ONE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS.
AND THIS IS A REZONING STEP NUMBER ONE.
AND THIS IS THE SAME IDENTICAL STIPULATION, UH, THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU ALL, UH, UNDER, UNDER A DIFFERENT CASE.
AND IT SAYS, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT MUST OCCUR BEFORE, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE ANY MULTIFAMILY USE IN PHASE ONE.
AND SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT MEANS EVERYTHING THAT I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH HERE IN GREEN'S GOTTA BE DONE IN PHASE ONE, THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG ARIZONA AVENUE IN PACOS, THE MAIN STREET DRIVE, AND THOSE TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS MUST BE BUILT AND THEN THE WESTERN MOST MULTIFAMILY.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IN THE DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET, THIS IS AN EXACT EXHIBIT FROM THE DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET.
AGAIN, IT'S RIGHT HERE, AND I COULD POINT YOU TO THE PAGE, BUT THERE ARE THREE BULLET POINTS ON PAGES SEVEN AND EIGHT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET THAT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR THAT MULTI-FAMILY.
AND WITHOUT READING ALL THAT LANGUAGE, ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT SAYS IS, I'VE GOTTA GET A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE COMMERCIAL BEFORE, OR AT THE SAME TIME AS A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION'S GOTTA BEGIN BEFORE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS.
A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION HAS TO BE OBTAINED BEFORE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS ISSUED.
AND THAT IS AGAIN, CONTAINED, UH, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET.
AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STIPULATIONS BOTH IN THE REZONING, UH, ORDINANCE, AS WELL AS THE PDP THAT REQUIRE THAT DEVELOPMENT BE IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THIS BOOKLET AND THE EXHIBITS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO IT, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE THAT ARE, IS IN THE NARRATIVE NOW TO THE MEAT OF IT.
I GUESS ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS HAS DEALT WITH WHAT BRENNAN, WHAT ARE YOU AND YOUR CLIENT WILLING TO COMMIT TO IN ORDER FOR MULTI-FAMILY PHASE TWO TO COME ONLINE? UM, AND SO THERE'S A REZONING, STEP NUMBER 11 AND STAFF INDICATED THAT WAS ADDED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH THEY UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO YOU ALL.
AND THAT STEP ESSENTIALLY SAYS THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG ARIZONA AVENUES GOT TO OCCUR, UM, BEFORE, UH, IN PARCELS ONE AND TWO, BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENS ON
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THAT MULTIFAMILY PHASE TWO.SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE MULTIFAMILY PHASE TWO HIGHLIGHTED IN THAT FLUORESCENT GREEN.
SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UM, THIS AFTERNOON, AND I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO PROVIDE IT TO STAFF, BUT I'M GONNA UPDATE THE PHASING SECTION IN THIS BOOKLET, UM, THAT SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT THIS.
AND WHAT ESSENTIALLY IT SAYS IS THAT I'VE GOT TO DO ALL THE WORK FOR THOSE BUILDINGS ALONG ARIZONA AVENUE THAT ARE OUTLINED THERE IN RED.
THERE'S FIVE BUILDINGS THAT TOTAL APPROXIMATELY 30,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND SO IT SAYS THAT I'VE GOTTA GET A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION FOR THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT BEFORE A BUILDING PERMIT IS OBTAINED BEFORE THE RESIDE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I GOTTA GET A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION BEFORE I CAN EVEN GET A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY.
AND SO AS WE LOOK AT IT, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT BRENNAN, WHAT CAN WE DO? IS THERE ANYTHING MORE WE CAN DO? THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT, UM, IT IT IS, IT IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL IN TODAY'S MARKET, UH, AS WE KNOW THAT IS EVER EVOLVING AND EVER CHANGING FOR A DEVELOPER TO COMMIT, TO BUILD SO MUCH SPEC, UH, ON SPECULATION.
UM, BUT NOT WITHSTANDING THAT GREG BELIEVES IN IT, UH, AND UNDERSTANDS THE COMMITMENT, THAT'S WHY HE'S AUTHORIZED ME TO COME UP TONIGHT AND TELL YOU WHAT I'VE TOLD YOU ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET.
IN ADDITION, HE WROTE A LETTER RECONFIRMING WHAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT BOOKLET THAT WAS SENT TO STAFF AS WELL.
AND SO AS WE LOOK AT IT WITH 70, APPROXIMATELY 70,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE GOING AT SPEC, UH, AND ADDITIONAL 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL, UH, GOING SPEC, UM, WE, WE HOPE THAT THERE IS SUCH AN INTEREST GENERATED THAT I'M NOT EQUIVALENT ABOUT 30,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT WE GET THE USERS THERE TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE REST, UM, TO HAVE THE HOTEL, TO HAVE THE MIXTURES BUILDING.
BUT, UM, TO GO BEYOND MUCH FURTHER THAN THAT, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HEAR THE DISCUSSION, WE START TO DABBLE IN, IN TRYING TO IMPOSE OUR WILL ON A MARKET, UM, THAT, THAT WE ALL KNOW IS A, CAN BE A BUMPY RIDE AT TIMES.
SO WITH THAT, UM, I, I THINK, UH, HOPEFULLY I'VE ADDRESSED SOME OF THE, THE COMMENTS AND THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE.
UM, AGAIN, AS STAFF INDICATED, WE ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATION AND THE GROWTH AREA.
AND SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU, UH, YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE.
UM, SOME I MAY HAVE TO DEFER AND LET YOU KNOW THAT I'VE GOTTA DO SOME HOMEWORK, UH, AND THAT WE'LL COME BACK WITH ANSWERS BEFORE THURSDAY.
SO YOU'VE, WE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION TODAY AND, AND WHAT I FOUND OUT, UM, BOTH FROM TALKING TO YOU AND YOU PRESENTED AND, AND OTHER ISSUES, YOU, YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS.
SO COUNCIL QUESTIONS? YEAH, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS, WERE YOU CLICKING OR WERE YOU JUST YEAH, I WAS ASKING YOU CLICKING.
SO WHEN THE FIRST PRESENTATION WAS DONE, AND, AND I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE YOU WERE GOING TO DO THE, UH, BUILDINGS ALONGSIDE ARIZONA AVENUE.
AND SO TONIGHT THAT I SEE ALSO THAT YOU HAVE ADDED, UH, THE BUILDING WITHIN THE PLAZA, WHICH IS STILL SAID, UH, RETAIL TWO, LET'S GO BACK.
SO ARE WE STILL LOOKING AT THOSE BUILDING ALONG ARIZONA AVENUE OR WE GOING TO ADD THE OTHER, UM, 1, 2, 3, 4 WITHIN SIDE OF THE PLAZA TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? OR IS IT STILL THE FOUR ON THE SIDE, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR, UH, OR THROUGH THE CHAIR? I APOLOGIES.
MAYOR
UH, HEAVEN KNOWS I HAVE BEEN CALLED FORCE AS WELL, MAYOR, BUT, UH, MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT THIS SLIDE IS INTENDED TO SHOW IT, IT IS WHAT WAS AGREED TO AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MM-HMM.
SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS STIPULATION IS, DEALS WITH, UM, THE AREA THAT, THAT WE PLANNED TO CONSTRUCT BEFORE MULTIFAMILY PHASE TWO.
UM, WHAT HAS KIND OF WHAT WAS KNOWN AT THE TIME OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND EVEN UP THROUGH THIS AFTERNOON AND EVEN DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS, WAS HOW IS THAT SEQUENCING GONNA WORK? WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE SATISFIED BEFORE THAT MULTIFAMILY CAN COME ONLINE IN PHASE TWO? AND THAT'S, THAT'S THIS ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT I TALKED ABOUT THAT I'VE GOTTA, UM, BUILD IT AND GET A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION BEFORE I CAN EVEN GET A PERMIT ON THE MULTIFAMILY.
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I UNDERSTOOD THAT FROM DAY ONE, WHICH WAS THE REASON WHY WE TALK ABOUT FACING, RIGHT, WHAT'S GONNA COME FIRST AND HOW THE OTHER SITE NEEDS TO BE IN PROGRESS OF THE FIRST SITE THAT YOU START.WHAT I'M ASKING TONIGHT IS I SEE THAT WITHIN THE PLAZA THERE ARE SOME ORANGE BUILDING THAT HAVE A NUMBER TWO PHASE ON THERE.
ARE THOSE GOING TO BE BUILT WITH THE REST OF THOSE ON THE SIDE OF ARIZONA AVENUE? THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE BECAUSE ONE OF THE MAP DOES SHOW ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME.
AND NOW YOU, YOU LINE IT UP ONLY THE RED ON THIS ONE THAT I'M SEEING RIGHT NOW ON THE SCREEN.
UH, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS.
UM, I THINK IF I, IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR CORRECT, YOUR, YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY IN YOUR COMMENT, I'M GONNA GO BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT PLANS.
UM, AND I HOPE I DON'T LOSE ANYONE ALONG THE WAY.
AND, AND THIS PLAN THAT'S ON YOUR SCREEN THAT'S IN MY HAND HERE, UM, THIS IS THE PHASE ONE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS, CORRECT.
AND SO EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED, THAT'S GONNA BE PHASE ONE, CORRECT? THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO OCCUR ACCORDING TO MARKET DEMAND.
UM, MEANING THAT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY I GET A HOTEL USER IN THAT WANTS TO COME IN, UH, AT THE SAME TIME AS I'M BUILDING THE TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE IN COLOR IN THIS ONE.
OR MAYBE I GET, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MULTI OR THE, THE COMMERCIAL UP IN PARCEL, UH, UP IN PARCEL TWO TO BUILD.
AND SO THE REST OF THAT IS TO DEVELOP ACCORDING TO MARKET PLAN.
AND THERE ARE, UM, THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE'VE ALWAYS SET IT UP, AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN.
WHAT THIS EXHIBIT IS INTENDED TO SHOW IS WHAT IS THE CONDITION PRECEDENT, WHAT MUST BE DONE BEFORE THAT MULTIFAMILY ON PARCEL FOUR GETS BUILT.
AND AT A BARE MINIMUM, I MUST HAVE ALL OF THESE, THESE FIVE BUILDINGS TOTALLING APPROXIMATELY 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL BUILT IN ORDER FOR ME TO START ON THE MULTI-FAMILY AGAIN.
THE REST OF IT THAT YOU SEE THAT IS NOT, UM, COLORED, THAT IS WHAT I WILL CALL SHADED.
UM, THAT WILL BECOME, THAT WILL BE ACCORDING TO MARKET DEMAND.
AND, AND I THINK THE QUESTION BEFORE US TONIGHT IS THE FACT THAT, UH, ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE A CONCERN THAT HE WANTED TO SEE MORE OF THE RETAIL BEING BUILT, UM, BEFORE THE, THE HOUSING PART IS DONE.
AND SO PRIOR TO THIS MAP, YOU HAD SHOWN ONE WHERE ALL OF THEM SAID TWO AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT NOW WHAT I'M LIST HEARING YOU TELLING ME IS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO THOSE BUILDING ALONG ARIZONA AVENUE PRIOR TO BUILDING THE, THE OTHER, UM, HOUSING.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF THERE IS A DEMAND FOR THE ONES INSIDE THE PLAZA, YOU WILL ALSO BE BUILDING THOSE AT THE SAME TIME.
IS THAT CORRECT? THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
THAT MAKES SENSE NOW, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M, I I I'M NOT REALLY STUCK ON A DATE WHEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT DONE, WHAT DATE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT DONE.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW THE PRO THE, THE, THE WHOLE PROJECT IS GOING TO FLOW BECAUSE THERE, THERE IS A SEQUENCE HERE THAT YOU ARE ASKING US TO GO AHEAD AND OKAY, SO THAT WE GIVE YOU THE TIME TO DO CERTAIN THINGS AT A CERTAIN TIME.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO.
BUT I NEED TO GET A GOOD UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER'S, UH, CONCERN WILL BE ADDRESSED AS FAR AS THOSE OF THE BUILDING WITHIN THE PLAZA.
AND WE HEARD IT, ALL OF US SAY THAT WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO DRIVE THE MARKET AND GET YOU GUYS ENGAGED WITH OTHER PEOPLE.
I'VE SAID THAT PERSONALLY TO YOUR APPLICANT AND YOURSELF, THAT I THINK OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LEND SOME HANDS IN DRIVING SOME THINGS THERE.
BUT RIGHT NOW IS, YES, YOU ARE GONNA HAVE TO BUILD
SO, UM, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER.
SO I GUESS QUESTION FOR YOU, UM, I WANT MORE RETAIL OBVIOUSLY.
I THINK, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US, AND I'M ASKING HOW WE COULD GET, GET TO THE YES.
DID WE EVER CONSIDER PUTTING THOSE TWO STORY BUILDINGS AS A MIXED USE,
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MAKING THE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL AND THEN THE TOP TWO FLOORS, UM, OFFICE ON PARCEL THREE, THE TWO BLUE ONES, OKAY, PARCEL THREE, UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL, COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, IN TERMS OF THE, WHAT I'LL CALL THE, THE PHASE TWO OFFICE, OR THE, EXCUSE ME, THE TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDING, THE TWO TWIN, TWO STORY BUILDINGS ON PARCEL THREE.UM, THERE WAS NEVER ANY CONSIDERATION THAT THAT BE DONE AS A MIXED USE.
UM, WE KNEW THERE WAS A DESIRE FOR OFFICE.
UM, IF I WAS TO GO BACK TO THE OTHER PLAN, UM, WE'VE GOT PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE OFFICE THAN WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED ABOUT, I THINK ALMOST 10 YEARS AGO IN 2012.
AND SO WE KNOW THERE'S A NEED FOR OFFICE IF IT'S THE COUNCIL'S DESIRE THAT THOSE TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS BECOME MIXED USE BUILDINGS.
UM, CERTAINLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE CAN, WE CAN CONSIDER.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I THINK THE GOAL HERE IS, I, I DON'T, I AGREE WITH YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A HUNDRED PERCENT 89 OR 109,000 SQUARE FEET OFFICE BUILD.
I MEAN, THAT'S A POWER CENTER, RIGHT? THAT'S A LARGE CENTER, LET'S BE HONEST.
UM, BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, I'M ALSO LOOKING AT THIS DIVIDING LINE.
YOU GOT BUILDINGS, UH, TWO F YOU GOT BUILDING EIGHT, ONE DASH EIGHT THAT COULD BE RE CONCLUDED IN THIS RETAIL.
UM, OR TAKE A LOOK AT THE TWO STORY OFFICES AND MAYBE MAKE A THREE STORY AND PUT A, A MIXED USE ON THOSE, GET THOSE BUILT NOW AND SEE HOW THAT GOES.
NO, PARTIAL THREE, JUST A THOUGHT PROCESS.
LOOK, I, I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO COME BACK TO YOUR CLIENT, UM, AND TRY TO GET US SOME MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF OFFICE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 30 SQUARE FEET AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND, UM, I DON'T WANNA NEGOTIATE FROM THE DIAS, OBVIOUSLY, AND YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, SO IT'S NOTHING NEW.
I JUST BELIEVE THERE'S SOME WAY THAT WE COULD WORK THROUGH THIS TO GET AT LEAST A LITTLE MORE, UM, COMMERCIAL, WHETHER IT'S THE FIRST PHASE OR MAYBE EVEN DURING THE, THE, EXCUSE ME, WHETHER IT'S THE SECOND PHASE OR POTENTIALLY THE FIRST PHASE TO BE ABLE TO GET US AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, IN THE RANGE OF 40,000, 45,000, AT LEAST SOME OF THAT MORE OFFICE SPACE, UH, MORE RETAIL.
THAT WAS MY THOUGHTS THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.
I WILL SAY THAT THE PERCENTAGE, UM, RELATIVE TO THE COMMERCIAL OF WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE BIT SHY OF 40% OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF RETAIL THAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
AGAIN, THAT, THAT FIGURE IS BASED ON THE ROUGHLY 79,000 OF TRUE OKAY.
AND SO WE'RE, LIKE I SAID, A LITTLE BIT SHY OF 40,000.
I WILL THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK.
I WILL, UM, VISIT, VISIT WITH MY CLIENT.
UM, WELL FIRST OF ALL, I'M, I'M GLAD THAT THIS, EVER SINCE THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO ME, NOW I GO PAST THIS PARCEL LAND.
I'M LIKE, THERE'S A SORE HEADED TO TO, BUT I AM SO GLAD THAT WE ARE, UM, THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY BEING DONE.
I MEAN, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT THE PROCESS, WHAT THIS PROJECT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
I AM GLAD, UM, BECAUSE WHEN WE ORIGINALLY TALKED, WE ONLY TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOW WITH THIS FULL PRESENTATION AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO, UM, WHAT THE PROCESS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE, UM, IN THIS PROCESS OF GETTING HOUSING AS WELL AS BEING ABLE TO HAVE, UH, THE COMMERCIAL, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE IN THIS PHASES AND HOW IT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED.
I'M ALSO EXCITED ABOUT WHAT THE, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WHEN PEOPLE SEE THAT DOWNTOWN CHANDLER, UM, BECAUSE THAT HELPS STRETCH OUR DOWNTOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
UH, AND IT ALSO IS GONNA, UM, BUILD BUSINESS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT I DID HAVE ONE PARTICULAR QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE RETAIL SPACE.
I'M, I'M OKAY WITH WHERE WE ARE WITH THE RETAIL SPACE, BUT I WANTED TO KNOW, DID WE, UM, DID YOU HAVE CONVERSATION WITH MICAH FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ABOUT THIS? IS THIS HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THE 30 TO 40,000 SQUARE FOOT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO, UM, PUT FORWARD? HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER? OR WAS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU AND YOUR CLIENTS SAID, WE WANT TO DO THIS CAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES THAT WILL ALLOW US TO FILL THIS SPACE THAT QUICKLY? UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, UH, IT WAS A DECISION THAT WAS MADE BY MY CLIENT, UM, TO, TO GO, UM, AT RISK, UH, AND DO THAT.
YES, THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH PEOPLE IN THE MARKETPLACE, UM, BUT UNTIL, UM, A A CONTRACT IS SIGNED, UH, THERE ARE NO, NO GUARANTEES.
SO IN, IN SPITE OF THAT, UH, THERE NEVERTHELESS IS THE COMMITMENT, UM, EQUALLY FOR THE, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY 70,000
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SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE, UM, TO DO THAT SPECULATIVE, UM, SAME THING WITH THE, WITH THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL.YEAH, AND I DID LIKE WHAT A COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO SAID ABOUT MIXED USE, LOOKING AT THAT AS A POTENTIAL.
UM, I KNOW THAT IN 10 P THEY HAVE LIKE THIS THING WHERE YOU HAVE WORKFORCE HOUSING, WHERE YOU HAVE HOUSING ON TOP, AND THEN YOU HAVE RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM.
THESE ARE LIKE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS WHO KIND OF GO DOWN TO THEIR SPACE.
JUST SOMETHING, JUST, JUST TO THROW IT OUT THERE FOR SOME OF YOUR FUTURE PHASING IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO.
I I, I DID LIKE WHAT TEMPE DID AND PEOPLE WERE ABLE, SMALL BUSINESSES WERE ABLE TO LIKE, HEY, I LIVE UPSTAIRS, BUT I COME DOWNSTAIRS TO WORK.
JUST SOME THOUGHTS IN THAT AREA.
BUT, UH, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE SOME OF THAT HOUSING THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE DEDICATED IF YOU CAN SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS WHO WANNA HAVE A, A PIECE OF THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE, THEY WANNA LIVE CLOSE, THEY WANT LIVE AN APARTMENT, BUT THEY WANNA WALK TO WORK.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS CAN OR CANNOT DO, BUT I JUST THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE EXCITING AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, I WOULD LOVE JUST TO WALK TO WORK.
UH, SO JUST SOME OF MY THOUGHTS, BUT I DO LIKE THE PROJECT OVERALL.
UH, I DO THINK THAT WHEN IT'S COMPLETE, THE CITY OF CHANDLER IS GONNA BE HAPPY AND THE RESIDENTS GONNA BE HAPPY TO GO PAST AND IT'S GONNA EXPAND OUR DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO.
AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.
I KNOW IT'S A LEGACY PROJECT AND I KNOW THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT IS GONNA PUT THEIR ALL INTO IT.
UH, AND, AND THAT WAS THE COMMITMENT THAT HE MADE TO ME, THAT HE'S GONNA PUT HIS ALL INTO IT AND I CAN, I CAN ACCEPT THAT COMMITMENT.
AND, AND IF THAT'S NOT YOUR WIFE CALLING, I, I DON'T THINK MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ME.
I WAS CHECKING REALLY QUICK JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, YOU, HERE'S SOMETHING YOU AND I DO LOOK AT DIFFERENTLY IS I, I THINK RAW DIRT IS BEAUTIFUL, WAITING FOR THE BEST PROJECT POSSIBLE.
AND JUST AS WE WAITED FOR THE PROJECT, UH, SURROUNDING THE JACK IN THE BOX THAT IS FAR EXCEEDED ANY PREVIOUS, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD RATHER WAIT ANOTHER 35 YEARS TO GET THE BEST PROJECT ON THIS, RATHER THAN JUST SAYING, OH, WHATEVER WE WANT THAT GOES ON THERE.
THAT'S JUST, SO I'VE GOT ONE MORE THING, AND I KNOW YOU AND I TALKED AND, AND STAFF I'M GONNA NEED SOME HELP WITH THIS IS I WOULD ALSO, THERE IS A LINE IN THE DEVELOPMENT BOOK THAT SAYS THAT DEVIATIONS FROM PROPOSED PHASING SCHEDULE SCHEDULE MAY BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED BY STAFF.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATIONS FROM PROPOSED PHASING SCHEDULE MUST BE APPROVED BY MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
AND I NEED, I NEED SOME, I NEED SOME UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORD SUBSTANTIAL THAT WE CAN ADD INTO THERE.
I'M CERTAINLY NOT QUIBBLING OVER WHETHER, UH, UH, UM, BUILDING TWO A PRECEDES THE, THE HOTEL, BUT WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD BE VERY STRONGLY AGAINST IF THE HOTEL DISAPPEARED AND I WAS TOLD THE ONLY THING THAT COULD FIT THERE WAS MULTI-HOUSING.
SO I, I WOULD BE, UH, I WOULD LIKE SOME, SOME MORE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD HELP, UH, HELP US DECIDE THAT.
AND I, I DON'T, I CARE LESS ABOUT, I UNDERSTAND MARKET FORCES AND SOMETHING MIGHT BE MORE RIPE THAN SOMETHING ELSE.
AND I, I HAVE NO QUIBBLE ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M STILL LOOKING FOR THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST OUT OF THIS.
AND MY LAST COMMENT IS, I, I KNOW I TALKED WITH YOU AND MR. GINKO AND STILL ASKING, I, MY CONVERSATIONS WITH MY CORPORATE PARTNERS ARE STILL LOOKING FOR A LARGE MEETING SPACE AND WHETHER THAT IS ABLE TO TIE INTO AN APARTMENT, BUT I, UH, HONESTLY, I'D LOVE TO SEE A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT MEETING SPACE.
UH, WE'VE GOT A 10,000 ON PRICED CORRIDOR, WHICH QUICKLY FILLS UP FOR CORPORATE USES.
I, I WOULD STILL LOVE TO SEE THAT THOUGHT EXPLORED.
I, I DON'T THINK I EVER HEARD BACK SPECIFICALLY ON THAT QUESTION.
UM, BUT TO ME IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST, AND IF THERE COULD BE SOMETHING ON THIS PROPERTY YET IS INITIAL DESIGN AS THE INITIAL DESIGN AS THE GATEWAY INTO DOWNTOWN CHANDLER.
THAT WOULD REALLY, WOULD REALLY POP TO ME.
IT WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH WOULD, UH, BE SOMETHING THAT NOTHING ELSE IN CHANDLER REFLECTS.
SO, UM, VICE MAYOR, I WASN'T SURE, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT AS WELL? YEAH, THANK YOU MAYOR BRANDON.
I, I THINK WE'VE TALKED HALF A DOZEN TIMES ABOUT THIS, AND SO IT'S, UH, BUT UM, IT, IT IS AN AWESOME PIECE OF LAND.
IT'S IN, IT'S IN A GREAT PLACE IN CHANDLER.
I, IT'S NOT MY, EVEN THOUGH I DO THIS, IT'S NOT REALLY MY PLACE TO TELL YOU WHAT TO PUT WHERE AND, AND WHAT KIND OF STREET PAVING TO USE OR WHAT DESIGN, BUT, UM, FOR ME, THE GREATEST CONCERN IS I JUST WANT IT DONE.
I CAN THINK OF FIVE OR SIX PROJECTS RIGHT NOW THAT
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ARE STILL INCOMPLETE IN CHANDLER, UH, IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND AROUND, UH, AND, AND THOSE ALL CAME WITH, WITH CREATE INTENTION AND PROMISE, AND THEY ARE STILL NOT COMPLETED.AND SO WHAT WOULD DISAPPOINT, I THINK, CHANNEL THE MOST IS TO HAVE TWO NEW MULTI-HOUSING PROJECTS WITH A LOT OF UNDEVELOPED LAND.
SO, AND, AND WHAT YOU DESCRIBED TODAY SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ON A GOOD PATH.
UM, MAYOR, IF I, AND I DON'T WANT TO, COUNCIL MEMBER LOPEZ HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.
I DON'T WANT TO DENY HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BECAUSE I AM TALKING, BUT, UM, TO YOUR COMMENT, AND, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH STAFF, BUT, UM, YOUR, YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT WHAT WE ADDED, UM, TALKED ABOUT PHASING, UH, AND THEN THE COMMENT AFTERWARD DEALT WITH ME MAKING CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN BY SWAPPING USES AROUND AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND I, I BELIEVE, AND WOULD DEFER TO, TO STAFF AS WELL, THAT I THINK IT, IT, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE PHASING WHICH DEALS WITH SEQUENCING OF THINGS, BUT IT DEALS WITH, TO YOUR COMMENT THAT I DON'T COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, SNEAK IN SOMEHOW A HOTEL GOES AWAY AND MULTI-FAMILY COMES ON, WHICH I THINK THAT MORE DEALS WITH THE SITE PLAN AND THE LAYOUT, UM, THAN IT DOES PHASING.
BUT I'M, MAYBE IF YOU'LL PERMIT ME TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN ABOUT A HOTEL OR SOME OTHER BUILDING, BECOMING MULTI-FAMILY AND WHAT THAT IS.
AND I THINK COLLECTIVELY STAFF AND WE CAN WORK ON ANSWERING THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE.
ALTHOUGH I, I WOULD SAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S TIED TO PHASING SO MUCH, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.
I, I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH YOU.
UM, THE REASON I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP ON MONDAY AND HAVE THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE I, I REALLY DO THINK IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, GIVE THIS PROJECT A PLANNED TO GO AHEAD NOW RATHER THAN, I, I DON'T, I THINK IF WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, MY CONFIDENCE LEVEL AND I SUB MY, UH, PEERS, I, I, I THINK THIS WOULD'VE BEEN DELAYED.
AND AT LEAST I, I THINK WE'VE HAD A BETTER CHANCE TO GET MORE QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE.
WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA VOTE ON THIS ON THURSDAY.
SO COUNSEL, ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER LOPEZ, AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER STUART.
OH, I FORGOT ABOUT SINCE I WAS CALLED OUT BY THE, UH, APPLICANT.
UH, YEAH, NO, UM, IT DOES TAKE TIME AND I MEAN, I, I, I, I, I HAVE, UH, BOTH FEELINGS OF WANTING TO SEE THIS DEVELOPED.
MY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS SAID, BUT AGAIN, WE'VE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, DIRT WILL STAY DIRT UNTIL A GOOD PROJECT COMES ALONG.
UM, AND AS EXHIBITED, YOU KNOW, AS MENTIONED BEFORE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE GATEWAY TO OUR DOWNTOWN, WE DO WANNA SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, HIGH QUALITY ARCHITECTURE, HIGH QUALITY CONSTRUCTION, UM, AND THE PHASING.
AND LIKE YOU'VE MET WITH ALL OF US AND WE'VE COME TO AN AGREEMENT.
AND WHAT THE PLAYING ZONING COMMISSION CAME OUT WITH, I THINK WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, TO ME WAS AN AGREEABLE, UH, NEGOTIATION.
NOW TO SEE THOSE TWO PHASES, UH, COME TO FRUITION, UM, AND I AM PRETTY CONFIDENT WITH CHANDLER AND, AND WITH MICAH'S, UH, INFLUENCE THAT AS THESE, UH, PARCELS DEVELOP AND THE PEOPLE COME AND, AND LIVE CLOSER TO DOWNTOWN, THAT ALL OF THIS WILL DEVELOP AND, AND FLOURISH LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT DOES COME HERE TO CHANDLER.
SO, BUT AGAIN, WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DOES BECOME A, UH, AGAIN, A JEWEL PART OF THE CITY.
SO THANK YOU COUNCIL ME, STEWART.
UM, APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION, DENNIS, AND, AND FROM STAFF.
IT'S ALWAYS, UH, A THOROUGH PRESENTATION AND, AND YOU HAVE THE ANSWERS WHEN WE, WHEN WE ASK AND APPRECIATE THE APPLICANTS, UH, YOU KNOW, PACKAGING THIS UP.
FINALLY, I KNOW THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES WITH THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL AS IT RELATES TO GETTING IT TOGETHER AND, AND PUTTING IN A PLACE WHERE SOMETHING COULD BE DONE.
UM, SO I APPRECIATE DOING THAT.
YOU KNOW, LOOKING BACK ON HISTORY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS WAS, UH, A MIXED USE PLAN.
APARTMENTS WERE BUILT TO THE WEST OF IT, UM, YEARS AGO.
UM, AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, DOING SOME MULTI-FAMILY AGAIN ON THIS PIECE THAT I THINK FROM A GENERAL PLAN PERSPECTIVE WAS, WAS WE WERE EXCITED ABOUT THIS 120 FOOT OVERLAY.
UH, WE WERE, UH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL OFFICE, HOTEL, POSSIBLY MEETING SPACE.
AND WHEN I, I TALKED WITH MIKE, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, I THINK YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT IT, BRENNAN, ABOUT HAVING A, A DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT SOME OF THE NEEDS ARE FOR THE CITY.
AND MAYBE THERE, THERE WAS SOMETHING HERE ON THIS PARTICULAR THOUGHT.
UH, AND, AND THAT MEETING SPACE IS IMPORTANT.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE DEFINITELY NEED FOR TOURISM AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, AND I KNOW THE APPLICANT KNOWS THAT, UH, UH, WHEN THE, WHEN THE LAND WAS PURCHASED, WHAT THE OVERLAY AND THE GENERAL PLAN FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LAND WAS, AND, AND APARTMENTS WEREN'T PART OF THAT.
AND I UNDERSTAND MARKET FORCES
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KIND OF CHANGED THOSE THINGS, AND I, AND I, AND I WRESTLE WITH THOSE, THOSE THINGS SOMETIMES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE LAND, DID YOU KNOW IT WAS, UH, SLATED FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT OR THIS PARTICULAR ZONING, UH, GENERAL PLAN, UH, NOT THE STANDING APARTMENTS ARE ALLOWED HERE, UH, BUT THERE WAS A BIGGER PLAN FOR THIS AND VISION BY THE COUNCILS THAT PASS COUNCILS ARE PROBABLY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO WAS ON.UM, AND, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS ISN'T STILL A GOOD PLAN.
MY, MY BIGGEST THING IS THAT WE ARE SEEING AROUND THE CITY THIS NIBBLING AT OUR CLASS A OFFICE SPACE CONSISTENTLY WITH APARTMENTS AND MULTI-FAMILY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND WE HAD A BIG MEETING ABOUT OUR AIR PARK AREA PLAN AND WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH THAT PARTICULAR PLACE.
WE'VE GOT APARTMENTS IN THERE NOW, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE JOBS, AND THAT HAPPENS THROUGH THESE MEETINGS LIKE TODAY.
UM, SO I'M CONCERNED THAT WE MAY DO THIS CHANGE, AND I, AND I LIKE THE WAY YOU PUT THIS TOGETHER, BUT WHAT ARE THE GUARANTEES THAT WE GET THE CLASS A OFFICE SPACE THAT MIKE SO DESPERATELY NEEDS? WHAT ARE THE GUARANTEES THAT WE GET THE HOTEL AND THE CONVENTION SPACE, WHICH IS WHAT WAS ZONED FOR THIS PARTICULAR PLAN WHEN IT WAS PURCHASED? SO THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.
COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, AS, AS, AS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, UM, MY CLIENT ACQUIRED THE SITE, UH, IN I BELIEVE 2005 OR 2006, NO, EXCUSE ME, 2006 IS WHEN HE ACQUIRED THE SITE.
SO I CERTAINLY CAN'T SPEAK TO THE HISTORY OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARCEL PRIOR TO THAT TIME.
UH, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE MAYBE MY PARTNER AND COLLEAGUE, MR. ED BULL WORKED ON IT.
UH, EVAN KNOWS HE'S BEEN DOING HIS ZONING WORK IN CHANDLER SINCE, UH, 1985, UH, IS HOW LONG ED'S BEEN DOING WORK IN CHANDLER, AND I DIDN'T ASK HIM FOR THAT.
UM, BUT WITH RESPECT TO, TO GUARANTEES, UM, I I I'M NOT SURE WHAT AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE WOULD BE, VERY CANDIDLY, BECAUSE AS I LOOK AT THIS, WHAT WE HAVE PRESENTED BEFORE YOU IS WHAT WE INTEND TO DO.
UH, AND, UM, WE'VE GOT STIPULATIONS THAT, UH, ADDRESS WHAT COMMITMENT SHOULD, WHAT THE COMMITMENT SHOULD BE, AND WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR IT TO BE BUILT, AND IF THERE ARE ANY, UH, SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO IT.
UM, AND I AM CONFIDENT HAVING WORKED WITH, UM, YOUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR ALMOST 17 YEARS TO KNOW THAT IF I DO TRY TO SUBSTANTIALLY DEVIATE FROM WHAT I'VE PRESENTED TO YOU AND WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS EVENING, THAT STAFF WILL SAY, BRENNAN, WE HEAR YOU GO SELL IT TO THE COUNCIL, AND I WILL HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU AGAIN AND DO THAT.
UM, I, I KNOW THAT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO WHAT'S PRESENTED HERE, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE REPRESENTED TO YOU.
UH, AND I WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO PERSONALLY STAND UP BEFORE YOU AND COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS 360,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE REALLY SHOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 800 UNITS OF MULTI-FAMILY.
UM, PERSONALLY, I WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO SAY THAT.
UM, BUT AS WE LOOK AT THIS SITE AND WHAT IT COMPARED TO HISTORICALLY AND TO WHAT THE PREVIOUS PLAN WAS, REALLY WHAT WE'RE, UM, LOSING ARE FOUR COMMERCIAL PADS ALONG PACOS ROAD, WHICH IT'S QUESTIONABLE EVEN THEN WHETHER THOSE FOUR COMMERCIAL PADS WOULD BE SUSTAINABLE AND VIABLE.
AND SO IN EXCHANGE FOR THE MULTIFAMILY, WERE GETTING A HIGHER QUALITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IF I WAS TO GO THROUGH AND BORE YOU WITH THE COMPARISON OF THE PRIOR ARCHITECTURE TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW, THE PRIOR THEMEING TO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING NOW, YOU WOULD SEE THAT THIS PLAN IS LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF WHERE IT ONCE WAS.
AND SO THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT ON WHAT THE PROPERTY IS ALREADY ENTITLED FOR.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE EVERY EXPECTATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
I KNOW MY CLIENT SAT DOWN WITH, WITH YOU AND, AND PERSONALLY MADE THOSE GUARANTEES, UH, AND HE'S GONNA BE THE ONE TO, TO STAND BEFORE YOU AGAIN, UH, AND, UH, REAFFIRM THOSE GUARANTEES.
UH, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THE MARKET DICTATES THINGS GO OTHERWISE, UM, YEAH, WELL, I, I, I BELIEVE IN, IN GREG HANDSHAKE AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HE LOOKED ME AND I AND SAID THOSE SAME THINGS AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY WITH OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAS HAPPENED, UH, NOTHING YOU'VE WORKED ON RUNNING, BUT WITH OTHER GROUPS AND, AND THOSE PLANS HAVE CHANGED.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND IS A WAY, AND MAYBE YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO GET SOMETHING, UH, IN WRITING, UH, IN, IN THESE, IN THIS PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE GET THE BEST POSSIBLE PRODUCT THAT WE CAN FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
JUST BEEN A FEW OTHER ITEMS CALLED IN.
UH, JOHN KNUTSON IS THE ANSWER, MAN.
AND JOHN, IF YOU CAN COMBINE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO'S, UH, UH, REQUEST FOR PRESENTATIONS OF, UH, REASSURING
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STABILITY OF ITEMS 14 17, 18, 20, AND 21.UH, COUNCIL, UH, THIS EVENING I'VE GOT, UH,
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FIVE ITEMS I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS QUICKLY WITH YOU.UH, THEY COVER AREAS OF WATER, CONSERVATION, WATER AND WASTE WATER.
SO BEGINNING WITH THE WATER CONSERVATION PIECE, UM, ITEM 14 IS A CONTINUING PARTNERSHIP WITH, UH, SALT RIVER PROJECT FOR A PROGRAM THAT WE'VE BEEN WITH THEM, UH, FOR YEARS ON CALLED THE WATER FLUENCE.
IT'S A WATER CONSERVATION PROGRAM, AND WATER FLUENCE IS A FREE SERVICE FOR COMMERCIAL AND PUBLIC CUSTOMERS FOR WATER CONSERVATION, FOR LANDSCAPING.
THE SERVICE OFFERS MONITORING EDUCATION AND CONNECTION TO RESOURCES TO AID COMMERCIAL AND PUBLIC AGENCIES TO HELP REDUCE OVERWATERING ON THEIR COMMERCIAL AND PUBLIC LANDSCAPES.
UM, THIS CONTINUING PARTNERSHIP WITH S R P HAS HELPED MANY COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES REDUCE THEIR OUTDOOR WATER USE.
UH, CURRENTLY WE HAVE ABOUT 25 ORGANIZATIONS.
UH, WE'RE, UH, WORKING WITH, UH, FOUR BUSINESSES AND ACTUALLY 21 HOAS WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH ON THIS.
SO THIS IS JUST A CONTINUATION OF THAT SAME PROGRAM.
SO WAS THERE ANY IDEA OF EXPANDING THOSE OTHER AGENCY, OTHER, OTHER HOAS OR OTHER, UH, BUILDINGS? UH, WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THAT? THAT WAS MY QUESTION ON THIS ONE.
COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, THE IDEA IS THAT, UH, THROUGH THIS, UH, REAFFIRMATION OF OUR PARTNERSHIP, WE ARE GOING TO EXPAND THE PROGRAM.
UH, OUR WATER CONSERVATION GROUP IS ALWAYS OUT, UH, SOLICITING, UM, OTHERS TO GET INTO THE PROGRAM, AND IT IS A FREE SERVICE.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A TREMENDOUS, SO WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO EXPAND THE AMOUNT OF HOAS AND ORGANIZATION FAULT.
UM, ITEM 17 IS A, A PROGRAM, UH, IS AN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, UH, WILSON, UH, ENGINEERS, UH, AND THIS PARTICULAR, UM, YES, UH, UH, THIS PARTICULAR AGREEMENT IS FOR, UH, A CONTINUING PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE DONE WITHIN THE CITY FOR, UH, SEVERAL YEARS WHERE WE ASSESS AND REEVALUATE THE, UH, PERFORMANCE OF OUR WASTEWATER FACILITIES ON AN ONGOING BASIS WITH THE INTENT OF, UH, DOING A PROCESS CALLED RERATING.
AND WHEN WE RERATE A WASTEWATER PLANT, WE ARE ABLE TO GET, UM, A HIGHER CAPACITY GIVEN TO US FROM THE STATE SO THAT AS DEMANDS INCREASE AND WE, WE HAVE TO TREAT MORE AND MORE WASTEWATER AS THE CITY GROWS, WE DO NOT HAVE TO GO OUT AND TURN A SHOVEL TO ACTUALLY BUILD MORE PLANT AT GREAT EXPENSE BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, OPTIMIZED THE OPERATION OF OUR PLANT SO THAT THE STATE GIVES US THAT RERATING CAPABILITY TO ACTUALLY BUMP THAT RATED CAPACITY, THE FACILITIES.
SO MOST RECENTLY, BACK IN 2019, WE WERE ABLE TO RERATE BOTH OUR AIRPORT PLANT AND THE OCOTILLO PLANT AND SAVE THE CITY PROBABLY SOME 200 MILLION IN FUTURE EXPANSIONS.
THIS PARTICULAR, UH, RERATE ASSESSMENT IN, UH, TODAY'S DOLLARS OF COST FOR CONSTRUCTION COULD SAVE THE CITY IN THE RANGE OF A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN FUTURE CONSTRUCTION THROUGH THE RERATE PROCESS.
SO IT'S A VERY GOOD VALUE FOR THE CITY THAT WE, UH, WE LIKE TO DO AS OFTEN AS NECESSARY.
UH, MOVING ON TO ITEM 18, UH, ITEM 18 AND 21 R RELATED.
UM, 18 IS A, AN AGREEMENT WITH JACOB'S ENGINEERING AND IT IS FOR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT FOR THE, UH, CONTROL SYSTEMS MODERNIZATION FOR OUR WATER SYSTEM.
SO IT IS NOT ONLY FOR THE PACOS WATER PLANT, BUT IT IS ALSO RELATED TO OUR 50 DISTRIBUTED SITES AROUND TOWN.
SO OUR, UH, RESERVOIRS AND OUR WELLS.
SO THIS IS A SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE SYSTEMS UPGRADE, AND IT'S NECESSARY BECAUSE THESE SYSTEMS ARE AT END OF SERVICE LIFE.
AND SO IT IS A, IT WILL BE A, A GREAT ADVANCEMENT FOR OUR SYSTEMS, UH, AND IT SHOULD, UH, MAKE OPERATING SYSTEMS, UH, MUCH MORE USER FRIENDLY FOR OUR OPERATORS.
AND THE OTHER BENEFIT IS THAT WE WILL, UH, NO LONGER NEED THESE CONTINUING SERVICE AGREEMENTS WITH OUR PAST, UH, UH, HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE PROVIDERS.
SO, UM, IN THIS CASE HERE, UM, THE, THE UPGRADES, AND I, I GET THAT THIS GIVES YOU REAL TIME MONITORING OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WELLS AND, AND THE CAPACITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY, CORRECT? YES.
THIS SYSTEM THAT WE'RE UPGRADING, UH, IT'S A LONG ACRONYM, IT'S C A S C A D A, UH, IT'S SUPERVISORY CONTROL AND DATA ACQUISITION.
SO WHAT THAT DOES IS WE HAVE A, UH, HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE SYSTEM
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WHERE WE CAN MONITOR ALL ASPECTS OF THE WATER SYSTEM, UH, REMOTELY AT OUR CONTROL ROOM.SO I THINK MANY OF YOU, MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN TO OUR, UH, WATER PLANT CONTROL ROOM AND HAVE SEEN, UH, THE, THE, UH, AMAZING, UH, SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE.
AND THIS, UH, UPGRADE WILL ONLY IMPROVE THAT.
SO ITEM 18 IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PORTION.
ITEM 21, WHICH IS ASSOCIATED IS THE PRE-PURCHASE AGREEMENT THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN PLACE NOW FOR EQUIPMENT.
UH, WE NEED TO PURCHASE IT NOW SO THAT WE HAVE IT AVAILABLE TO US FOR NEXT YEAR'S, UH, CONSTRUCTION WORK THAT WILL BE TAKING PLACE DURING THE PLANT SHUTDOWN BETWEEN THANKSGIVING AND THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
SO WE HAVE TO BUY THIS, THIS EQUIPMENT, UH, AN ENTIRE YEAR IN ADVANCE, AND THAT'S WHAT THE PRE, UH, PURCHASE AGREEMENT IS FOR, UM, IN ITEM 21.
UH, AND THE LAST ONE IS ITEM 20.
ITEM 20 IS A, AN AGREEMENT, UH, FOR THE, REALLY THE SECOND PHASE OF OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH INTEL RELATED TO THE INTERCONNECT FACILITY.
SO, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, COUNCIL APPROVED AN AGREEMENT, UH, FOR, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF WHAT WE CALL THE INTERCONNECT, UH, INTERCONNECT.
AND THAT IS WHERE WE'RE TAKING WATER, UH, UH, S R P AND C A WATER FROM THE CANAL, TREATING IT TO A RECLAIM WATER STANDARD.
AND THEN WE'LL BE TAKING THAT WATER AND INJECTING IT INTO OUR AQUIFER FOR FUTURE USE IN DROUGHT.
UH, THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH INTEL.
THE OTHER HALF OF THAT PLANT, 50% OF THAT PLANT PRODUCTION IS ALSO TO BE USED, UM, WITH INTEL FOR COOLING SYSTEMS. UH, TODAY, INTEL USES A LARGE MAJORITY OF THEIR WATER FOR COOLING IS RECLAIMED WATER.
THIS WILL TAKE THAT, UH, UH, NEED FOR ADDITIONAL RECLAIMED WATER.
WE'LL BE BRINGING IT TO THEM THROUGH PIPING AND, UH, AND THROUGH INJECTION INTO THE GROUND AT OUR, UH, TUMBLEWEED FACILITY.
AND IT'LL BE EXTRACTING WATER FROM THE GROUND OVER AT, UH, OUR CILLO FACILITY, THUS PROVIDING THEM THEIR NEEDED RECLAIMED WATER FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR FACILITIES.
SO THE SECOND PHASE IS CALLED THE CONVEYANCE, UH, UH, UH, AGREEMENT.
AND IT IS FUNDED THROUGH, UH, THE, UH, TITLE 42 THROUGH DOR.
AND WE ALSO HAVE, UH, UH, INTEL'S BUY-IN ON THIS AS WELL.
SO THE CITY WILL PAY 20% OF THE COST, AND THEN INTEL AND THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE WILL PAY THE OTHER 80% OF THE PROJECT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, ITEM 20.
AND JOHN, I, I REALLY THANK YOU.
I MEAN, WATER'S NUMBER ONE ISSUE, AS YOU KNOW, CONCERN ABOUT WATER.
IN FACT, THERE'S ANOTHER ARTICLE TODAY ABOUT C A, YOU KNOW, UH, BOARD MEMBER CHANGER, PRESIDENT CHANGING, AND JUST, IT'S, IT'S CONSTANTLY BATTLE.
SO EVERY TIME WE GET A CHANCE TO BRAG ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, AT LEAST I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO COME UP HERE AND LET THE, THE RESIDENTS KNOW AT LEAST IN A, A SHORT VIGNETTE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT WE'RE DOING, NOT ONLY IN THE PAST BUT THE FUTURE.
SO, UM, I KNOW IT'S MAYBE A LITTLE BORING AT TIME WITH THE DETAILS, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, THE RESIDENTS GET A WARM FUZZY THAT WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT STUFF HERE IN CHANDLER FOR OUR WATER WASTEWATER CONSERVATION AND WORK WITH OUR LARGE USERS TO ACTUALLY REUSE A LOT OF THE WATER THAT, THAT THEY DO USE.
AND, AND THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST IN THE, IN THE TOPIC.
COUNSEL, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? COUNCIL OVER STEWART? YEAH, THANK YOU.
HEY, JOHN, I WISH I WAS THERE IN PERSON.
IT WASN'T UNDER THE WEATHER, BUT, UH, EVERY TIME YOU'RE ON THE, ON THE BLOCK, TURN THERE, YOU'VE GOT SOME REALLY AMAZING NEWS FOR, I WISH I WAS THERE TO HIGH FIVE YOU, BUT THANKS FOR, UH, FOR DOING THAT IN YOUR TEAM.
SO, AND THE SAVINGS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT'S INCREDIBLE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO.
WELL, WE HAVE THE NEW AQUAMAN OR WATER GUY, THE OLD AQUAMAN
IT'S BIG, IT'S BIG SHOES TO FILL.
WELL, THAT'S ALL THE ITEMS THAT WERE CALLED IN TONIGHT, COUNSEL.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR STUDY SESSION THURSDAY.
WE WILL BE VOTING ON THESE AND A FEW OTHER ITEMS AS WELL.