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[ Call to Order/Roll Call]
EVENING.WELCOME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, FIRST ITEMS ARE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
AND WE'LL END UP GOING HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER EVERLY.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 1ST MEETING.
[1. September 1, 2021, Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes Move Planning and Zoning Commission approve Planning and Zoning Commission meeting minutes of the Study Session of September 1, 2021, and Regular Meeting of September 1, 2021.]
UH, DO I HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS CHANGES? OTHERWISE I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES, PLEASE.THE CHAIR, LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR OUR LAST MEETING.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? I WILL BE ABSTAINING ON THE VOTE CAUSE I WASN'T HERE.
UM, ANYWAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
MOTION CARRIES WITH ONE EXCEPTION.
[ Consent Agenda]
A STUDY SESSION PRIOR TO THIS, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON IT.WE HAD THE AIRPORT AREA PLAN AND WE ALSO HAVE THE SAN TAN BREWING COMPANY.
I SAW SOMEBODY'S HAND GO UP IN THE BACK.
SERGIO A QUESTION ON ONE OF THE ITEMS I LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE SANTANA.
SO SIR, IF YOU WANT TO COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND I DIDN'T HAVE A SPEAKER CARD, THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS GO TO THE AUDIENCE AND ASK.
MY NAME IS NORM HASKET AND I LIVE AT 9 33 EAST HEALER LANE IN STONE GATE CROSSING THREE, UH, IOWA'S UNFORTUNATELY, UH, UH, UNABLE TO ATTEND THE FIRST MEETING THAT TALKED ABOUT THEIR PLANS.
BUT, UH, I DID GO OVER THERE ON SATURDAY TO PERUSE THE PATIO AND LISTEN TO THE TRAFFIC AS IT WENT BY AND WONDERING HOW ANYBODY COULD ENJOY, UH, THE PATIO AT EIGHT IN THE MORNING OR AT NOON WHEN MY WIFE AND I WERE BOTH THERE LAST SATURDAY, UH, THERE WAS SOMEBODY OUT THERE THAT WAS, UH, AN EMPLOYEE AND SHE TALKED VAGUELY ABOUT SOME SOUND DEADENING OR PROOFING OF THE AREA, BUT I'LL TELL YOU JUST ON THE PATIO, LISTENING TO THE TRAFFIC AND MY, UH, RADIO FOR THE MORNING NEWS ON SATURDAY, I COULD NOT HEAR THE NEWS OVER THE TRAFFIC.
AND MOREOVER, EACH TIME THE TIRES WENT OVER THE RAILROAD JUST TO THE WEST, UH, EAST OF THE FACILITY, IT WENT POP UP AND THAT WAS ENORMOUSLY DISTRACTING.
SO I'M INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT KIND OF DECIBEL NOISE IS THERE.
THAT'S GOING TO INTERFERE WITH THE, THE, UH, THE ENJOYMENT OF THE PATIO THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT AND ALSO HOW ARE THEY GOING TO KEEP THE NOISE FROM WHICH I SUSPECT HAS TO BE INCREASED OR AMPLIFIED OVER THE NOISE OF THE TRAFFIC, UH, PREVENTING THE, UH, COMMUNITY IN STONE, GAY CROSSING AND ACROSS THE STREET.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THAT, UH, FACILITY, UH, OR COMMUNITY, HOW XE, UH, NOISE WILL AFFECT US UNLESS IT'S MODERATED OR DAMPENED.
UH, BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHERE I LIVE, I CAN HEAR, UH, MESQUITE HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS EVEN FARTHER AWAY FROM ME THEN SAN TAN BREWERY IS SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN I HEAR THE BAND ON FRIDAY OR SATURDAY, UH, YOU KNOW, I CAN HEAR IT UP THROUGH 10 O'CLOCK, I GUESS THAT'S WHEN THEY STOP ALL THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY.
BUT DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE DECIBEL NOISE IS CURRENTLY AND WHAT THEY, WHAT SAN TAN BREWERY, UH, IS, UM, IS,
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UH, GOING TO DO TO PREVENT THAT? AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF I CLARIFIED THIS FACT THAT I AM THE, UH, THE, UH, PRESIDENT OF STONE GAY CROSSING THREE.YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT, BUT THAT'S THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE THAT LET ME ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS REAL QUICK.
UM, THE FACT THAT THE NOISE LEVEL ON THE PATIO IS A PROBLEM BASICALLY TO THE BUSINESS.
IF PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE A PARTY OUT THERE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, OR HAVE A TASTING IT'S NOT DIFFERENT THAN, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN CHANDLER WHERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ARIZONA AVENUE, WE HAVE A LOT OF PLACES WITHOUT SIDE PATIOS.
SO THAT'S, I GUESS THE BUSINESS'S RESPONSIBILITY, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO USE IT OR NOT USE IT, I THINK THEIR TASTING ROOM IS PROBABLY USED MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
IN TERMS OF THE NOISE AFFECTING YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE IS A STIPULATION IN THE, UM, UM, THE APPLICATION THAT'S ON HERE.
UM, BASICALLY THE NOISE, NO NOISE SHALL BE ADMITTED FROM EXTERNAL SPEAKERS IN SUCH A MANNER EXCEEDS THE GENERAL LEVEL OF NOISE ADMITTED BY THE USES OUTSIDE THE PREMISES OF THE BUSINESS AND DISTURBS ADJACENT BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
THERE'S ALSO, I BELIEVE THERE'S ANOTHER STIPULATION OR ESTABLISHMENT.
SHE'LL PROVIDE A CONTACT PHONE NUMBER FOR RESPONSIBLE PERSON, UH, TO ANY INTEREST IN NEIGHBORS AND PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE NOISE BEING TOO LOUD, YOU WOULD HAVE A NUMBER TO BE ABLE TO CALL.
THIS IS A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT.
BUT, UM, KNOWING THE GUYS FROM SAN TAN, THEY'RE GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNERS, UM, IF YOU PICK UP THE PHONE AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS, WE CAN HEAR IT DOWN.
IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
SO WE PUT CAVEATS IN HERE TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE'VE DONE THAT YEARS AGO.
I THINK MY FIRST TIME I'M PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WE CHANGED THAT STIPULATION SO THAT IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE, YOU HAVE SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO CALL.
UM, AND THEY'RE JUST, IT'S DESIGNED SO THAT THEY'RE NOT DISTURBING THE NEIGHBORS.
SO I HOPE THAT HELPS A LITTLE BIT.
UM, JUST, UH, ANOTHER POINT, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE SOUND DEADENING WALLS, UH, THAT WOULD PREVENT I'LL HAVE STAFF COME UP AND ADDRESS THAT REAL QUICK? OH YEAH.
UH, GOOD EVENING AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE NO WALLS PROPOSED.
HOWEVER, THEY ARE UTILIZING A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO CREATE A LIVING SOUND BARRIER, UH, THAT CAN CREATE SOME NOISE ATTENUATION, BOTH WAYS, BOTH FROM THE STREET, BECAUSE THEY WANT THEIR PATRONS TO ENJOY A SMOOTH EXPERIENCE AND ALSO TO LIMIT THE NOISE COMING OUT OF THE FACILITY.
DOES THAT ANSWER A COUPLE OF YOUR QUESTIONS? WELL, THERE IS A BIRD I'M THERE AND I CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DO SOMETHING SIMILAR, MAYBE RAISING THE BERM, UH, IT WOULD BE MORE ENJOYABLE TO BE OUT THERE ON THE PATIO AND IT MIGHT PREVENT NOISE FROM, AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THE BUSINESS AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, IF, IF IT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO BEING THERE, PEOPLE WON'T SPEND THEIR MONEY THERE.
SO I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO, AND AGAIN, SAN TAN HAS BEEN A GREAT PARTNER.
ANTHONY, AS PARTNERS ARE ALWAYS DONE A GREAT JOB IN MAKING SURE THAT THE QUALITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, I DON'T THINK THE PATIENT AGAIN, THERE'S THE STIPULATIONS THAT IF YOU'RE HAVING AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, PICK UP THE PHONE, IF THEY VIOLATE THAT, THEN YOU CAN ALSO CALL STAFF THAT'S PART OF THIS STIPULATION, THIS ISN'T AN OPEN-ENDED PERMIT WHERE THEY CAN JUST DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO AND STUFF, SO.
ANY OTHER BROTHERS ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON ANY OF THE ITEMS, ANYTHING FROM COMMISSION I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
IF YOU KIND OF COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
UH, I OWN THE PROPERTY ON 3 95 EAST WARNER.
SO JUST SHARE A PARKING LOT WITH US AND TEMPORARY.
I JUST AM CURIOUS EVERYTHING I LOOKED AT.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT TALKED ABOUT HOURS WHEN THIS, UH, PATIO WOULD BE OPEN.
AND WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING.
THE PARKING IS ALREADY PRETTY PROBLEMATIC.
THERE'S A GYMNASTICS CENTER RIGHT NEXT TO THE BREWERY.
UM, WHEN WE BOUGHT BACK IN 2007, WE WERE ALL KINDS OF REGULATIONS ABOUT WHAT WE COULDN'T DO.
AND NOW THERE'S A GYM ON TWO OR THREE GYMS NEXT TO US, A GYM ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN I'M, I'M NOT ADVERSE TO IT.
I DON'T THINK I'M ADVERSE TO IT, BUT I LIKE TO KNOW, IS THIS AN AFTER HOURS FAIR.
WILL THIS BE GOING ON DURING THE DAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AFTERNOON? I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING STEPH.
YOU WANT TO DRESS UP THREE, ONE THING I KNOW FOR SURE.
IN THE SUMMERTIME THEY OPENED A VAN UP PATIO, HUH? THAT'S FOR SURE.
UM, MR. CHAIR, THE AND COMMISSIONER IS THE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT FOR THE MOST PART, UH,
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ANY EVENTS HELD ON THE PATIO THAT WOULD PRODUCE ABOVE AVERAGE TRAFFIC ARE ALL HELD IN THE AFTERNOON OR ON WEEKENDS THAT WOULD NOT INTERFERE WITH, UH, OTHER SURROUNDING BUSINESSES.UM, FURTHER THE HOURS OF THE PATIO, UH, ARE LIMITED BY STIPULATION.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO BE OUT THROUGH CERTAIN TIMES.
AND I BELIEVE FROM MONDAY TO FRIDAY OR MONDAY TO THURSDAY, RATHER THREE TO NINE.
AND THEN SATURDAY IS FRIDAY, SATURDAY, IT'S 11 TO 10 AND SUNDAYS, 11 AND NINE.
SO, SO THERE'VE BEEN GERAGHTY OF IT'LL BE ON THE WEEKENDS.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? IT DOES.
FOR ME THAT PRESENTS A PROBLEM IN THE AFTERNOON.
IT'S AGAIN, IT'S REALLY CROWDED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW, NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF, UH, HOW WELL ATTENDED THIS WOULD BE.
THEY ALSO HAVE PARKING IN THE BACK DON'T THEY, THEY HAVE, THEY OWN ALL THAT LAND ON THE BACK OR RUN, LEASE THAT LAND IN THE BACK.
AND THEY ALSO HAVE A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT WITH THE ADJACENT BUILDING.
WHICH IS, I'M JUST SAYING FROM WHERE WE STAND, WHEN YOU IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THERE NOW.
SO, SO, UM, WE'RE RECOMMENDING BODY TO COUNCIL.
MY SUGGESTION IS THAT, UM, YOU MAY HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT AFTER THIS MEETING TO JUST MAKE SURE YOUR CONCERNS ARE BROUGHT UP IN TERMS OF THE PARKING.
IF THE GYMNASTICS IS THERE AND THEY'RE NOT LIVING UP TO WHAT THEIR NEED, WHAT THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE VIOLATING WHAT THEIR ORIGINAL USES FOR THERE, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ALSO ADDRESS.
I, I WAS OVER THERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND I KNOW THERE'S A GYM THERE AND THERE'S DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF THE DAY THAT IT GETS A LITTLE CRAZY, SO, OKAY.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE? OKAY.
IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
YOU HAVE EMOTIONAL FROM ANYBODY FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
TRY TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
THAT'S COMMISSIONER EBERLY HAS A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN FROM THE SECOND ITEM AT THESE GENTLEMEN.
NOW, SINCE REALLY QUICK, I WANTED TO JUST HIGHLIGHT SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF EXCITING FOR US.
UH, YOU GUYS HAVE KNOWN HARLEY NOW FOR OVER A YEAR.
UH, AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT HE'S ACTUALLY BEEN A PAID INTERN, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE TIME THAT HE'S BEEN HERE.
UH, WE HAVE THEM TITLED UNDER A JUNIOR PLANNER.
UH, UH, WE WERE VERY RECENTLY ABLE TO HIRE HIM FULL TIME.
UH, AND HE'S NOW AN ASSOCIATE PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF CHANDLER.
HIS FIRST DAY WAS ONE WEEK AGO YESTERDAY.
SO JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, YOU SEE THEM UP HERE AND NOTHING REALLY CHANGES, BUT DOES HE HAVE TO SING THE PLANNING COMMISSION FIGHT SONG NOW? YEAH, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN INITIATION PERIOD.
IT'S GOING TO BE ROUGH, BUT JUST WANTED TO FORMALLY WELCOME HARLEY.
OH, THE TIME TO CHANNEL, ESPECIALLY WELCOME.