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GOOD EVENING TODAY.WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS OF PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY MEETING, AND THEN A STUDY SESSION OF WHICH WE WILL BE HEADING ON SERVICE AWARDS AND RECOGNITIONS, BUT PRECEDING THAT WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY COMMISSION.
AND WITH THAT NOTE, I'D LIKE TO CALL THAT TO ORDER CLERK, PLEASE.
CHAIRMAN HARTSEY VICE-CHAIR STEWART.
COMMISSIONER DAMON, COMMISSIONER HARRIS, COMMISSIONER LOPEZ, COMMISSIONER ROAD, COMMISSIONER ELLIS HERE.
DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, UH, DATING ONE TURNED IN A CARD FOR PUBLIC APPEARANCES.
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UH, COUNSEL, WE DO HAVE, UH, TWO CONSENT ITEMS ON HERE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT COUNCIL MEMBER LSU WANTED A PRESENTATION ON ITEM NUMBER TWO.AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK JOSH, IF YOU COULD PLEASE HAVE A VISITATION FROM ME.
THANK YOU MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
IF I COULD ASK OUR NEIGHBORHOOD RESOURCES DEPARTMENT TO COME FORWARD AND PRESENT ON ITEM NUMBER TWO MEAN CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION TONIGHT, I'M BRIEFLY GOING TO DISCUSS OUR PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY 2021 ANNUAL PLAN POLICY UPDATE.
IN NOVEMBER OF 2020, STAFF BEGAN THE PRELIMINARY PROCESS OF REVIEWING AND UPDATING OUR ANNUAL PLAN IN CONSULTATION WITH OUR RESIDENT ADVISORY BOARD OR CONSULTANTS, HOUSING RESIDENTS AND INTERESTED MEMBERS AND OUR PUBLIC.
THE ELEMENTS OUTLINED OUR PROPOSED OUR ANNUAL CHANGES REQUIRED BY HUD AND REQUESTED BY STAFF.
THE 2020 ANNUAL PLAN IS DUE TO HUD ON APRIL 17TH, 2021.
AND THE PUBLIC HOUSING PLAN INCORPORATES POLICY CHANGES FOR BOTH PUBLIC HOUSING AND OUR HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHER PROGRAM.
45 DAY PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD, HOUSING RESIDENTS AND INTERESTED MEMBERS OF OUR PUBLIC HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT THE WRITTEN COMMENTS.
WE HAD A GREAT DIALOGUE DURING THESE MEETINGS AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE WRITTEN REQUEST CHANGES FOR OUR PROPOSED POLICIES.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE WAS MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO SUBMIT COMMENTS.
THE CHANDLER PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY IS ADMINISTERED BY THE HEIRS FIGHT THE HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT DIVISION WE OWN AND OPERATE 303 PUBLIC HOUSING UNITS AND ADMINISTER 486 VOUCHERS.
WE SET POLICY AND PROCEDURES FOR THESE TWO PROGRAMS. ONE IMPORTANT PROGRAM I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IS OUR FAMILY SELF-SUFFICIENCY PROGRAM.
THIS IS A HAND UP PROGRAM FOR OUR FAMILIES.
THE GOAL OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO TRANSITION OUR FAMILIES OUT OF ASSISTED HOUSING.
WE AVERAGE ABOUT 140 FAMILIES THAT WE CASE MANAGED FOR BOTH OF THESE PROGRAMS. AS AN EXAMPLE TO GAIN SELF-SUFFICIENCY.
OUR FAMILIES ARE WORKING ON EDUCATION, OBTAINING HIGHER EDUCATION DEGREES, JOB READINESS, INTERVIEW TECHNIQUES, RESUME WRITING AND JOB PLACEMENT AND TRAINING PROGRAMS ALSO IS OUR FINANCIAL READINESS PREPARING FOR HOME OWNERSHIP, ALSO INCREASING CREDIT SCORES AND WORKING IN FIRST-TIME HOME BUYER, ASSISTANT PROGRAMS. HUD HAS DESIGNED, UH, THE PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY OR DOES, EXCUSE ME, DESIGNATED US AS A HIGH PERFORMING HOUSING AUTHORITY AND OUR FINANCIAL, OUR OVERALL MANAGEMENT AND OUR PROPERTY COMPLIANCE.
WE KEEP UP OUR POLICIES ANNUALLY AND LOOK TO HUD FOR THE REGULATORY GUIDANCE, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME DISCRETIONARY ITEMS THAT WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
I WANT TO BRIEFLY JUST GO OVER OUR SUMMARY OF OUR ANNUAL POLICY CHANGES, SPECIFICALLY POLICIES RELATED TO SOME QUESTIONS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ANSWERED THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
I DO WANT TO GO OVER THE REPEAT LATE PAYMENTS.
THIS IS A REVISED POLICY IN WHICH WE SHORTEN THE NUMBER OF TIMES A TENANT CAN BE LATE OR DELINQUENT ON RENTAL HOUSING PAYMENTS.
IT WENT FROM SIX LATE PAYMENTS IN ONE YEAR PERIOD TO FOUR.
IF A TENANT IS LATE AT THE FIFTH TIME, WE CAN SEEK TERMINATION OF ASSISTANCE AS IT CAN CONSTITUTES AN INCURABLE LEASE VIOLATION.
UM, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THOUGH, TO NOTE THAT THIS POLICY, UM, OF NOT, UH, HAVING TENANTS PAY ON TIME IS REALLY A, UH, IS SUBJECT TO COMMUNICATION.
WE, AS HOUSING AUTHORITY COMMUNICATE EXTENSIVELY WITH OUR HOUSING RESIDENTS, UM, VERY MUCH SO ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY TO NOTE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE
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WE ARE CURRENTLY UNDER AN EVICTION MORATORIUM ISSUED BY THE CDC.WE ARE NOT EVICTING ANY HOUSING RESIDENTS AT THIS TIME.
IN FACT, WE'RE WORKING WITH ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED SUCH AS THE ASCEND RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FAMILIES HAVE THESE, THIS RENTAL RESOURCE.
AND WE HAVE A DEDICATED CARES TEAM IN WHICH WE HAVE STAFF THAT DOES CASE MANAGEMENT FOR ANY FAMILIES THAT ARE BEHIND ON THEIR RENT.
THE KEY HERE IS COMMUNICATION.
WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF HOUSING PEOPLE AND WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY STAY HOUSED.
THE OTHER, UH, POLICY UPDATE IS, ARE OVER INCOME.
AND THAT IS A POLICY WHICH WE REVISED AFTER HEARING FEEDBACK FROM OUR LAST PUBLIC HOUSING PLAN PRESENTATION, UM, IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, HUD REQUIRES US TO STILL MONITOR AND TAKE A LOOK AT HOUSEHOLD INCOME OVER THE TWO YEARS.
AND THAT IS A REGULATORY REQUIREMENT.
HOWEVER, IF A HOUSEHOLD CONTINUES TO BE OVER INCOME AT THE END OF THAT TWO YEAR PERIOD, UH, THE FAMILY WILL GIVE, BE GIVEN A 30 DAY NOTICE OF TERMINATION OF ASSISTANCE, UH, BASED ON THAT VERIFIED INCOME THAT WE RECEIVED.
HOWEVER, THOUGH, IF A FAMILY INCOME DOES CHANGE BEFORE THAT TERMINATION DATE, WE WILL NO LONGER HAVE THAT FAMILY BE OVER INCOME AND WE WILL VOID THAT TERMINATION.
UH, CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
THE, IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL, UM, VERIFY INCOME, IS THAT VERIFIED INCOME BASED ON, UM, IS THAT BASED ON LIKE OVER TIME? SO FOR INSTANCE, A PERSON MAY BE WORKING MORE OVERTIME THAN NORMAL WORKING AT THE SAME JOB, PROBABLY MAKING, LET'S SAY $24,000 A YEAR.
BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, SAY FOR INSTANCE, THE PANDEMIC, A LOT OF PEOPLE STOP WORKING, NOT ABLE TO THE HOURS WENT UP.
UM, WHAT IS, WHEN YOU SAY THAT, BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, INCOME HAS TO DO WITH WHATEVER YOU BRING IN.
ARE THERE EXCEPTIONS TO PEOPLE WHO ARE, IS THERE AN EXCEPTION FOR OVERTIME VERSUS BASE PAY OR HOW YOU'RE CALCULATING? HOW DO YOU SEE THAT, THAT, THAT TWO YEAR MARK IN TERMS OF ANCHORS? OKAY.
UH, CHAIRMAN HARKEY, UM, COMMISSION OR, UM, HARRIS, WE VERIFY INCOME ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IN THE SITUATION THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, IF A FAMILY, UM, INCREASES THEIR INCOME OR HAS A DECREASE OF INCOME, THEY'RE REQUIRED WITHIN A 10 DAY PERIOD TO NOTIFY THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, AT WHICH TIME WE WILL ADJUST THEIR RENT BASED ON WHATEVER SITUATION THAT THAT FAMILY WILL HAVE.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF THEY INCREASE THEIR INCOME, THEY MAY GAIN ADDITIONAL HOURS.
UM, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A CONSISTENT THING OVER THE NEXT YEAR.
AT THAT TIME WE WILL ADJUST INCOME AS NEEDED.
UM, BUT THEN AGAIN, IF A FAMILY LOSES A JOB, UM, THEN THEY NOTIFY US AND WE WILL REDUCE THEIR RENT PAYMENTS BASED ON 30% OF THEIR INCOME TO HOUSING.
SO, OH, I GUESS MY, MY DIRECT QUESTION IS, IS THAT THE BASE PAY OVER OVERTIME PAY.
SO AT THE END OF THE YEAR, THEY MAY HAVE MADE MORE MONEY AS OVERALL INCOME, BUT THEIR BASE IS STILL THE SAME, BUT THEY'RE MAKING MORE MONEY BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING OVERTIME BECAUSE OF THE DEMAND ON THE JOB.
IT MAY BE FOR A PERIOD, THEY NEED EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO, UM, WHEN YOU TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THIS POLICY, I'M TRYING TO REALLY UNDERSTAND BASE PAY.
ARE WE SEPARATING BASE PAY FROM OVERTIME PAY, OR MAYBE THEY GOT A BONUS, UNEXPECTED BONUS.
MAYBE THEY GOT, UM, THEY HAD SEASONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY GET PAID TIME OFF AND THEY DIDN'T USE IT.
AND THEY WORKED THE WHOLE ENTIRE YEAR, BUT THEY DIDN'T USE IT IN A YEAR.
THE COMPANY IS CASHING THEM OUT.
SO I'M SAYING, ARE YOU, ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT AS THIS IS THE BASE PAY, BUT YES, THESE ARE SOME UNUSUAL INCOME INCREASES.
UH, SO CHAIRMAN HARKEY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS.
SO IN THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION, UM, WE LOOK AT ADJUSTED INCOME.
SO THERE COULD BE REASONS WHY WE WOULDN'T INCLUDE SOME INCOME.
UM, BUT IN YOUR PARTICULAR SITUATION WHERE IT'S, UH, THEY MAY HAVE AN INCREASE BECAUSE OF THE SEASONAL JOBS AND THEY'RE DOING ADDITIONAL OVERTIME, WE WOULD CATEGORY CORE CATEGORIES THAT AS ALL INCOME EARNED, IN WHICH CASE THAT WOULD BE A CHANGE OF, OF INCOME.
SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO ME IS YOU DON'T HAVE A WAY YOU DON'T CONSIDER THAT
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AS A SEPARATE INCOME.YOU CONSIDER ADJUSTED GROWTH SAYING THAT IT'S ALTOGETHER THAT'S.
SO, SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE COST CENTERS HERE IN CHANDLER, RIGHT? SOME OF THE COST CENTERS, THEIR BASE PAY IS $12 AN HOUR, AND THEY MAY MAKE ADDITIONAL COMMISSIONS.
THEY MAY MAKE ADDITIONAL MONEY OVER A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS, AND THAT MAY NOT BE NORMAL, BUT IT IS FOR NOW.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO UPDATE OUR POLICIES TO SAY, OKAY, TWO YEARS, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT THEIR BASE PAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT WHAT THEY NORMALLY MAKE IN TWO YEARS, BECAUSE YOU CONSISTENTLY MAKE THIS WERE LOOKING AT EVICTING YOU OR, OR GIVING YOU THAT PATHWAY TO SAY, HEY, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE HERE.
EVEN THOUGH IT MAY HAVE BEEN ONLY TWO YEARS.
AND IT MAY BE JUST ABOVE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO US TODAY? SO, UM, CHAIRMAN HARTKE, COUNCIL MEMBER, OR CHAIRMAN HARRIS, WE, UM, WE'LL PROBABLY BE IN CONSULTATION WITH THAT FAMILY.
SO AFTER THAT FIRST YEAR THAT WE FIND THAT THAT FAMILY'S OVER INCOME, WE WILL REACH OUT TO THEM AND ASK THEM HOW THEY'RE GAINING THAT ADDITIONAL INCOME.
SO IF IT'S NOT A CONSISTENT AND THAT NEXT YEAR IN WHICH THEY MAY BE OVER INCOME, WE WILL WANT TO, AGAIN, AFTER THAT SECOND YEAR, WE REEVALUATE THAT INCOME AGAIN.
AND I WOULD SAY IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY TERMINATE ASSISTANCE BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE A CONSISTENT INCOME.
SO AFTER IN THAT THIRD YEAR, IF THEY'RE STILL, UM, OVER INCOME, THEN MOST LIKELY YES, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT, AND WE MADE A CONSULTATION WITH THAT FAMILY, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN A CONSISTENT THINGS FOR THAT THIRD YEAR, THEN WE WOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND PROBABLY LIKELY NOT DO A TERMINATION OF ASSISTANCE BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE A LONGEVITY OF AN INCOME STREAM THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, BEYOND THE TWO YEARS THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO MONITOR THAT OVER INCOME FAMILY.
SO FOR THE RECORD, DO WE HAVE WHAT YOU JUST SAID IN A POLICY THAT SAYS, HERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS TO WHAT THAT IS? BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT YES, CHANDLER IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.
WE DO HAVE SOME JOB OPENS FOR FOUR CALL CENTERS, AND THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO CREATE EXTRA ADDITIONAL REVENUE.
AND WE WANT THEM TO CREATE THAT ADDITIONAL REVENUE.
BUT DO WE WANT A POLICY IN PLACE THAT SAYS AFTER TWO YEARS, YOU HAVE TO GO BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT YOU'RE MAKING AN UNUSUAL AMOUNT OF INCOME, I JUST KIND OF THINK THAT WE NEED MORE CLARITY TO SAY, YES, THIS IS THE THING, BECAUSE NOW WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME, IT SOUNDS GOOD.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ACTUALLY MAKING POLICIES THAT SAY, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE MOVING FORWARD.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE IS GOING TO BE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULES, THAT THE PEOPLE OF CHANDLER KNOW WHAT THOSE EXCEPTIONS ARE.
SO WHEN THEY'RE COMING INTO THE CONTRACT, THEY UNDERSTAND, HEY, IF YOU'RE WORKING FOR ONE OF OUR COST CENTERS WHO COULD POSSIBLY PAY YOU COMMISSION, YOU COULD POSSIBLY GET BONUSES AND THEY COULD EXTEND OVER A PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE THAT DOES HAPPEN IN SALES.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO, WE HAVE THESE EXCEPTIONS IN PLACE, OR THESE ARE THE GUIDELINES BEHIND IT.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SHARING WITH YOU? YES.
AND SO WE CAN MAKE SURE I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE.
WE MAKE ENSURE THAT THESE TYPE OF EXCEPTIONS, IF THERE IS ANY TYPE OF EXCEPTION AND THERE'S ANY TYPE OF TEST IN WRITING, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO IS TO REGULATE MORE OF WHAT HUD, OUR RELEASE SAID THAT HUD ALREADY DOES REGULATORY.
AND SO AS A CITY, WE CAN COME IN AND ADD MORE GUIDELINES TO WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY REGULATING.
SO IF WE UPDATE THESE POLICIES AND WE'RE ADDING MORE GUIDELINES TO THAT, UM, IF WE'RE ADDING MORE GUIDELINES TO IT, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE VERY, VERY CLEAR BECAUSE I PERSONALLY FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE FEZ ALREADY, ALREADY REGULATES IT.
AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, I TOO WAS A PRODUCT OF THIS RIGHT HERE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING AS A CITY.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT WAS DONE.
WHEN I FIRST STARTED OUT HAVING A YOUNG FAMILY, TRYING TO STRUGGLE, TRYING TO MAKE IT GOING TO COLLEGE, GOING TO SCHOOL, CHINA, WATCH MY INCOME, NEED MORE MONEY BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
AND THEN I GET SOMEBODY SAYING, WELL, YOU'RE MAKING OVER THE INCOME.
WELL, I STILL HAVE UTILITY BILLS.
SOME OF THESE PEOPLE STILL MAY HAVE A CAR NOTE.
SOME OF THESE PEOPLE STILL MAY HAVE REGULAR THINGS THAT WE USE EVERY SINGLE DAY TO LIVE.
AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WHEN YOU MAKE OVERTHINK HOW WELL THEIR INCOME STILL MAY NOT SUPPORT WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING.
AND SO I JUST KIND OF, I'M LEERY OF THE CITY COMING IN AND MAKING MORE STRINGENT POLICIES AROUND SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY FEDERALLY
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REGULATED THAT WE ALL KIND OF PAY IN.SO I JUST KIND OF THINK THAT, THAT WE MAY BE STRETCHING IT.
SO THOSE ARE MY BRIEF COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.
I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
SO IF THERE IS EXCEPTIONS, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE EXCEPTIONS CLEAR IN WRITING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
AND THEN THAT GIVES THE COUNCIL OR THE COMMISSION A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO, TO CRITIQUE OR TO SAY YES OR NO.
BUT RIGHT NOW YOU GAVE US A VAGUE STATEMENT.
AND NOW WHEN I'M ASKING YOU MORE DETAILS, YOU'RE SEARING SYNOPSIS BASED ON WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE SHARING, WHAT YOU NORMALLY DO, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT IF IT IS THERE AND I'M MISSING IT, THAT'S FINE.
I JUST KIND OF FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE MORE RESEARCH BEHIND THIS CHAIRMAN HARKEY AND, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, OR, UM, EXCUSE ME, COMMISSION MEMBER HARRIS.
LET ME JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE CONTEXT.
I DO CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S OVER INCOME CURRENTLY LIVING IN PUBLIC HOUSING.
AND, UM, MORE SO THE OVER INCOME IS CALCULATED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN OUR, UM, A COP PLAN.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, A FAMILY OF TWO WOULD BE OVER INCOME IF THEY'RE MAKING $74,760 LIVING IN PUBLIC HOUSING.
AND SO WHAT THIS POLICY JUST THEN STATES IS IF THE FAMILY IS CONSISTENTLY GOING OVER INCOME AFTER THAT SECOND YEAR, THEN THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS AN OPTION TO TERMINATE ASSISTANCE, UM, AT THAT TIME.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE MONITORING, WE'RE TALKING TO THE FAMILIES, WE'RE REALLY DIGGING IN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT FAMILY'S SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES ARE.
BECAUSE LIKE I INITIALLY HAD SAID, WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF HOUSING FAMILIES.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAS THE FAMILIES IN THE ELIGIBLE STATUS PER HUD REGULATIONS, AND THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET THROUGH OUR WAITLIST BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE HAVE OVER A THOUSAND PEOPLE BUYING FOR A POT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I JUST, MY THING IS THIS.
SO IT'S NOT
IT'S NOT ABOUT, WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS HELP PEOPLE THAT'S IN A SITUATION RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE'S BEHIND THAT PERSON IS NOT HOW WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE INCOME 74,000 TO MANY, THIS THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY.
THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH.
THAT'S WHAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD SAY.
SO DO YOU HAVE OLD STILL, BUT JUST THIS ONE'S LIKE I'M MAKING MY POINT.
MY POINT IS THIS I'M AN ACCOUNTANT.
74,000 FOR A FAMILY MAY SEEM LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE OF THE FACT, ONCE YOU PAY TAXES, THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR EARNED INCOME CREDIT.
THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR CHILD TAX CREDIT AND ALL THE LOW INCOME SUBSIDY THAT YOU GET WHEN YOU FILE YOUR TAX RETURN, WHAT THEY END UP DOING IS PAYING 50% OF THAT MONEY OUT OR MORE TO TAXES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M JUST SHARING THAT, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THIS POLICY, WHAT IT DOES IS IT, IT, IT UNLOCKS A WHOLE DIFFERENT LEVEL OF CURIOSITY AND CONVERSATION, UM, BEHIND IT.
SO THAT'S WHY I REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, I'M ON THE RECORD AND I'M CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PUTTING TOGETHER SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD THEN MAKE OUR THAT'S US ACTUALLY GOING IN AND SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MAKE MORE RULES BEHIND THE RULES THAT HUD HAS ALREADY SET OUT.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT I'LL SHARE COMMISSIONER ROW AND THEN, UH, COMMISSIONER ELLIS.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.
WHEN, WHEN I ASKED FOR THIS PRESENTATION, WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR WAS THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A PLAN, AN EXIT PLAN FOR ANYONE WHO ENTERED HOODS AND HOW DO WE GO ABOUT DOING THAT AS A CITY? AND I KNOW THAT HUD HAS THEIR OWN PLANS, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN.
UM, AS FAR AS THE RULES THAT WE FOLLOW THIS, UH, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW IS WITHIN OUR OWN MEASURES WHERE WE CAN PUT GUIDELINE, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT GUIDELINES SO WE CAN HELP MORE PEOPLE.
RIGHT? THE WHOLE POINT OF, OF THIS WHOLE PROGRAM IS TO EMPOWER PEOPLE, TO GET OUT OF POVERTY.
AND THE REASON WHY WE WANT, I WANTED TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW DO WE DO THAT? AND YOU EXPLAIN THAT IN THE BEGINNING FIRST, YOU TOLD ME THAT THERE WILL BE EDUCATION.
THERE WILL BE WAYS OF, UM, HELPING THEM, UH, LITERACY IN, IN MANAGING THEIR INCOMES, HOW TO DO THAT, HOW TO LIVE ON A MORE LARGER ON LESS, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO EXIT THE PROGRAM, WHICH IS GREAT.
ANOTHER THING THAT YOU SAID THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW FOR THE PEOPLE OF CHANDLER TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THIS CITY THRIVE ON COMMUNICATION, WHICH IS YOU'RE GOING TO COMMUNICATE WITH, WITH YOUR TENANTS FROM THE TIME THEY ENTER PRIOR TO EVEN SIGNING THE CONTRACT,
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THAT THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE RULES ARE AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO HELP THEM TO EXIT THE CONTRACT.HAVE WE HAVE MANY PEOPLE IN THIS PROGRAM IN THE FASHION THAT YOU EXPLAINED EARLIER? YES.
UM, CHAIRMAN HARTKE, UM, COMMISSION MEMBER, UM, UM, ELLIS.
SO FOR INSTANCE, AND IN PUBLIC HOUSING, SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE PUBLIC HOUSING FAMILY SELF-SUFFICIENCY PROGRAM, WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2017, WE'VE HAD APPROXIMATELY 26 GRADUATES FROM THAT PROGRAM.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS.
AND, UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE THE FAMILY SELF-SUFFICIENCY IN OUR HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHER PROGRAM AS WELL.
UM, AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE EVEN A HIGHER THAN THAT.
SO YES, WE ARE HAVING SOME SUCCESS.
AND AGAIN, WITH THE FSS PROGRAM, WE DO COUNSELING WITH OUR FAMILIES AT LEAST FOUR TIMES A YEAR.
IT'S ACTUALLY A LOT MORE THAN THAT.
UM, SO WE REALLY HAVE, UH, A VETTED INTEREST TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR FAMILIES ARE SUCCESSFUL.
AND TO BE HONEST, CHANDLER IS ONE OF, UH, EXTREMELY HIGH-PERFORMING PHAS IN WHICH A LOT OF OTHER JURISDICTIONS LOOK TO US, UM, AND ARE SEEING SUCCESS WITH OUR FSS PROGRAM.
THE NEXT QUESTION THAT I HAVE, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER HARRIS, I MENTIONED THE FACT THAT WITH CONSISTENCY, AS WELL AS MONEY WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, OVER TIMES AND, UH, BONUSES AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE THREE YEARS, RIGHT.
OR CONSISTENT THREE YEARS TO SEE THIS INCOME BEING ABOVE 74,000 BEFORE WE CAN MAKE ANY MOVE.
THAT'S ALREADY IN THE POLICY, RIGHT? CHAIRMAN HARKEY, UM, COMMISSION MEMBER ELLIS, IT'S ACTUALLY TWO YEARS.
UM, AND WE MONITOR AFTER THAT FIRST YEAR.
SO ONCE THEY ARE OVER INCOME, WE'RE MONITORING THEM THROUGHOUT THAT TWO YEAR PERIOD.
THEN AFTER THE TWO YEAR PERIOD IS WHEN WE CONSULT WITH THEM AND SAY, IS THIS AN ACTUAL CORRECT NUMBER FOR YOUR INCOME? WE DO THIRD-PARTY VERIFICATION.
SO WE DON'T JUST SELF-CERTIFY OF THAT INCOME.
WE ARE CHECKING, UM, BY A THIRD PARTY, THEIR EMPLOYER OR WHATNOT.
THAT IS SO WE'RE VERIFYING AS WELL.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THIS WHOLE PROGRAM, UH, WHETHER IT WAS HUD FROM DAY ONE, WHEN IT WAS INSTITUTED, IT WAS, IT WAS A PROGRAM TO HELP PEOPLE TO LIFT THEM UP OUT OF POVERTY, NOT TO KEEP THEM IN.
WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THAT THIS PROGRAM BECAME A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE JUST STAYED AND IN ORDER FOR THEM NOT TO MOVE OUT OF IT, WHATEVER THE PROBLEM IS, SOME PEOPLE THAT THEY PROBABLY CANNOT MENTALLY HANDLE, YOU KNOW, REGULAR LAW LIFE OR REGULAR JOB.
HOWEVER, IT IS, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO RIGHT NOW AS COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS MENTIONED EARLIER IS THIS, UM, SAFETY NET.
IF IT MEANS THAT WE ARE GOING TO RE EXAMINE THE VERB, JUDGE HOW WE SAY IT IN THE PAPERWORK THAT WE ARE GOING TO AGREE ON, AND TO PUT THAT FACT THAT THERE WILL BE AN EXCEPTION THAT AS YOU EXPLAINED IT EARLIER, IF WE COULD DO THAT, THEN I AM FINE WITH MOVING FORWARD AND MAKING THE CHANGES THAT WE NEED TO THANK YOU FOR YOURS.
UM, CONSTANTLY FURTHER QUESTIONS ARE, ARE I'M SURE.
MA'AM SO THE REASONING BEHIND THIS, THOUGH, AGAIN, AUDIT HAVE TO DO IT EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS.
WE NEED TO BE IN CLIENTS, BUT COMPLIANCE WITH HUD, RIGHT? AND WE NEEDED TO ADJUST AND ADD THIS INTO OUR OWN POLICIES.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE IS A HUD CORRECT ME WRONG THOUGH.
THERE'S A HUD REQUIREMENT THAT SAYS THAT IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN YOUR HOUSING THAT ARE OVER INCOME AT THE CERTAIN LEVELS, YOU NEED TO GET THEM OUT SO THAT YOU CAN START SERVING OTHER PEOPLE THAT NEED, IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? OR YOU CAN CORRECT.
SO CHAIRMAN HARKEY, UM, COMMISSIONED MEMBER LOPEZ, THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENT IS HUD REQUIRES AT PHA TO MONITOR AND OVER INCOME FAMILY FOR THE TWO YEARS, THE DISCRETIONARY PIECES ONE, YOU COULD DO TERMINATION OF ASSISTANCE AFTER THE TWO YEARS, AND WHICH HAS POLICIES IS BASED ON, OR THAT FAMILY CAN PAY FAIR MARKET RENT, UM, AND LIVE IN PUBLIC HOUSING UNTIL WHATEVER TIME THEY FEEL THAT THEY NEED TO MOVE ON.
BUT MY POINT IS THAT EVEN IN THAT SCENARIO, WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH FAMILIES.
WE'RE TALKING TO THEM, SEEING HOW THEY CAN EXIT OUT OF ASSISTED HOUSING.
WHAT'S THE NEXT PLAN? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THERE? UM, SO THAT WOULD BE AN ALTERNATIVE.
UM, BUT CURRENTLY HOW THE POLICY IS WRITTEN IS, UH, A TERMINATION OF ASSISTANCE AFTER THE TWO YEARS.
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GOOGLE SEARCH.I KNOW YOU MAY NOT HAVE IT AT THIS AT YOUR FINGERTIPS, BUT ACCORDING TO THE HUD, UM, REQUIREMENTS, AND THIS IS FALLS UNDER SECTION EIGHT, WHICH I BELIEVE WOULD PROBABLY BE THE SAME ASSISTANCE THAT IT DOES INCLUDE EVERY ONE OF THOSE, ANY TYPE OF SUPPORT, SALARY, OVERTIME, PENSIONS, CHILD SUPPORT, ALIMONY, WELFARE, DISABILITY, WORKERS' COMPENSATION, LOTTERY, WINNINGS.
I MEAN, ALL OF THAT IS CONSIDERED INCOME.
SO INCOME IS INCOME AND, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN ACCOUNT.
AGAIN, ONE TIME LOTTERY WINNINGS, I GUESS, GAVE ME, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE REOCCURRING UNLESS YOU'RE REALLY LUCKY.
BUT AGAIN, FOR THIS POLICY, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT A CASE BY CASE WE'RE NOT DOING THIS HEARTLESS AND NOT DOING IT BLACK AND WHITE, BUT WE'RE DOING IT IN THE SENSE OF WHAT WAS YOUR INCOME.
WE HAVE SOME DISCRETION TO SAY, LET'S WORK WITH YOU ON THAT THIRD YEAR.
IF IT'S TIME TO START HAVING THOSE HARD DISCUSSIONS ON, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO STILL LIVE IN PUBLIC HOUSING? HOW WE CAN HELP SOMEBODY ELSE WHEN YOU'RE MAKING OVER $74,000 A YEAR AS A COUPLE, THAT THOSE ARE THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE START HAVING.
AND, AND RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, IN OUR POLICY THOUGH, IT STATES THAT WE WOULD TALK ABOUT TERMINATING, BUT NOT, WE DID NOT GO DOWN THE PATH OF OFFERING.
UM, WHAT WAS IT? FAIR MARKET VALUE, FAIR MARKET RENT FOR MARKET RENT.
WE DID NOT GO DOWN THAT PATH ON OUR POLICY, UM, CHAIRMAN HARKEY AND COMMISSION MEMBER LOPEZ.
UM, SPENT A GOOD DISCUSSION AND UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
UH, CHAIRMAN PARIS, UH, COMMISSIONER HARRIS COMMISSIONER.
SO I'D LIKE TO, UH, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY COMMISSION, REGULAR MEETING, UH, FOR THIS DATE, APRIL 5TH AND, UH, CONSENT ITEMS. NUMBER ONE AND TWO.
WE HAVE ALMOST A SECOND WITH COMMISSIONER ELLIS BEFORE YOU VOTE YOUR QUESTION, SIR.
I WASN'T ON BEFORE THE MOTION WAS PASSED.
I THINK THAT HAS SOME BEFORE THE MOTION WAS GRANTED.
I STILL HAD A FEW MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, AND THEN I KNOW WE'RE ARE WE STILL IN DISCUSSION? YEAH, THAT'S OKAY.
CAUSE I THOUGHT HE WAS PUTTING A MOTION OUT TO CLOSE IT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND, WHICH MEANS THAT THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE TABLE, BUT YEAH, UNTIL I HAD TO CALL THE QUESTION, THERE'S STILL DISCUSSION POSSIBLE.
IS THAT CORRECT? CITY ATTORNEY? YEAH.
I KNOW MATT HAD A COUPLE QUESTION THAT I STILL HAD MR. HARRIS PROCEED.
UM, MY, MY NEXT QUESTION WAS ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THE LATE PAYMENTS, UM, THE, THE, THE LATE PAYMENTS WITHIN, UH, WITHIN, WITHIN THE NEW POLICY UPDATE, THERE WILL BE, UH, IF YOU'RE LATE SIX TIMES, UM, YOU WANT TO REDUCE IT DOWN FROM BEING LATE SIX TIMES.
IF YOU'RE LATE SIX TIMES WITHIN, UH, 40, 24 TO 48 MONTH PERIOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK WITHIN A DURATION OF TIME, THEN, THEN WE CAN THEN PROCEED FORWARD TO, UH, EVENT INSTEAD OF BEING SIX.
YOU MOVING IT DOWN TO FOUR, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT IT READS IN THAT.
SO MY QUESTION IS THIS, UM, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE ACTUALLY VIOLATED THE SIX FOR US TO SAY, MOVE IT DOWN TO FOUR, UH, CHAIRMAN HARKEY COMMISSION MEMBER HARRIS.
I WOULDN'T HAVE PER SE THE ACTUAL NUMBERS.
UM, THE ISSUE THOUGH BECOMES A, SO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS ELLIS POINT ABOUT COMMUNICATION.
SO AFTER THE FIFTH DAY, IF A RESIDENT HAS NOT PAID THEIR RENT, THEN WE ISSUE A 14 DAY NOTICE.
UM, IN WHICH CASE WE CONTACT THE RESIDENT AND ASK THEM TO PLEASE PAY THEIR RENT.
IF THEY COMMUNICATE WITH US AND ASK HER RENT AN EXTENSION, WE WILL DEFINITELY GRANT A RENT EXTENSION UP TO THE 15TH DAY OF THE MONTH.
UM, IF THE TENANT DOES NOT PAY ON THE 15TH DAY, AGAIN, WE WILL ISSUE ANOTHER 14 DAY NOTICE OF TERMINATION OR A LATE PAYMENT.
UM, AND THEN IN REGARDS TO THIS PARTICULAR POLICY, YOU CAN DO THAT FOUR TIMES.
THEN THE FIFTH TIME, UM, WOULD BE A NON-NEGOTIABLE UNCURABLE LEASE VIOLATION.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE, FROM SIX TO FOUR MONTHS, UM, W WAS A DISCRETIONARY ITEM, UM, AND WE HAD FELT THAT THROUGH THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE'VE HAD, IF A FAMILY
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IS NOT COMMUNICATING WITH US, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A REDUCTION OF INCOME, UM, OR AN INCREASE OF INCOME THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO TALK, YOU KNOW, TALK TO OUR OFFICE AND SEE IF THERE'S EVEN A CHANGE OF RENT PAYMENT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.SO WE FEEL THERE'S A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK WITH OUR OFFICE.
UM, AGAIN, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR TENANTS ARE PAYING ON TIME.
UM, BUT WE WILL ADD, YOU KNOW, WE WILL ALLOW FOR RENT EXTENSIONS, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN.
WE'RE JUST REDUCING THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THAT DOES HAPPEN.
SO MY, MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT WHY, WHY SHOULD THE COMMISSION UPDATE THE POLICY TO BRING IT FROM SIX TO FOUR? WE HAVE NO DATA TO PROVE THAT, YOU KNOW, MOVING IT DOWN TO FOUR WILL HELP OTHER PEOPLE THAT'S IN THE LINE TO GET IN THE LINE.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THERE IS NO DATA RIGHT NOW THAT YOU'RE SHARING THAT SUPPORTS CHANGING THIS, THIS ITEM.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MAY BE JUST A, UH, A POLICY THING, BUT THIS STUFF IS IMPORTANT.
THESE DETAILS ARE IMPORTANT TO EVERYONE BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT READ THIS STUFF, BUT I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THE WHOLE POLICY.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO REALLY TARGET CONVERSATIONS BEHIND THINGS THAT PEOPLE MAY NOT THINK IS IMPORTANT, BUT I KNOW LONG DOWN THE ROAD COULD BE IMPORTANT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE NO DATA TO CHANGE THE POLICY.
WHY CHANGE A POLICY THAT THERE'S NOT HAVING, WE'RE NOT HAVING ISSUES WITH IT.
SO GO AHEAD AND ANSWER HIS QUESTION.
UM, CHAIRMAN HARTKE, COMMISSION MEMBER HARRIS, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS PARTICULAR POLICY, AGAIN, IT IS DISCRETIONARY.
AND, UM, IF THE RECOMMENDATION AND GUIDANCE IS TO MAINTAIN IT AT THE SIXTH, UM, WE'D BE HAPPY TO, UM, GO AND DO IT A SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT BECAUSE THIS PLAN IS DUE TO HIDE ON APRIL 17TH.
HOWEVER, IT'S, IT'S THE DIRECTION TO CONTINUE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE PREVIOUS POLICY OF SIX TIMES.
AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S A DISCRETIONARY ITEM.
UM, AND WE WORK WITH OUR FAMILIES.
WE, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO GET TO THAT FIFTH TIME.
UM, AND WE'VE HAD PROBABLY A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM PRIOR TO THAT, ASKING IF THERE'S INCOME CHANGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THEY DON'T GET TO THAT POINT AGAIN, BECAUSE IN PUBLIC HOUSING, THEY COULD BE LIVING IN PUBLIC HOUSING AND HAVE ZERO INCOME.
UM, IN WHICH CASE THEY WOULDN'T BE PAYING ANY INCOME, UH, OR MEAN PAYING ANY OF THEIR INCOME TO RENT.
UM, AND IN SOME CASES FOR, ESPECIALLY DURING THIS TIME, IF THERE'S A REDUCTION OF INCOME, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY TO LET US KNOW WE CAN ADJUST THEIR RENT BASED ON WHATEVER INCOME SITUATION THEY'RE IN.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE, WE WANT TO KEEP THEM HOUSED.
WE'RE NOT WANTING TO DO ANY TYPE OF EVICTION OF TERMINATION OF ASSISTANCE.
UM, BUT WE FEEL AT THIS POINT THAT AT THAT TIME, UM, THAT IT'S MORE OF A REASON TO THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING NOT WORKING IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNICATION PIECE OF THAT.
AND SO WE FEEL THAT I TRYING TO CATCH IT EARLIER TO HAVE THAT MORE COMMUNICATION UP FRONT WILL HOPEFULLY ALLOW THEM TO STAY HOUSED.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT SHE HAS PROVIDED IN TERMS OF SIX TO FOUR.
I JUST DON'T SEE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET MORE RESOURCE BEFORE WE SAY LET'S MAKE THAT POLICY CHANGE.
UM, AND THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB IN TERMS OF COMMUNICATING, BUT AT THIS TIME, THE, THAT SIX TO FOUR THING, I JUST CANNOT SEE HOW THAT WE WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO VOTE.
AND THEN I THINK, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON ALSO.
COUNCIL MEMBER, ORLANDO, COMMISSIONER, COUNCIL MEMBER, WHATEVER.
SO LET'S UM, UM, STAFF, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO HOW MANY PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST RIGHT NOW? AND LET ME, LET ME BE CLEAR.
THIS IS FOR PUBLIC HOUSING ONLY, NOT THE ALGIERS.
UH, CHAIRMAN HARKEY, UM, COMMISSIONED MEMBER ORLANDO FOR PUBLIC HOUSING.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A WAIT LIST OF A HUNDRED, I MEAN, SORRY, 1096 FAMILIES.
AND DID IT HAVE TO BE IN SHAMPOO TO PUBLIC HOUSING FOLKS THAT ON THE WAITLIST? NO.
YOU CAN APPLY IF THE WAITLIST IS OPEN FOR ANY OF, UM, OPEN RATES.
SO WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, AS A LOTTERY SYSTEM.
AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE ASKED TO LEAVE? HOW MANY PEOPLE RESIDENTS HAVE YOU BEEN ASKED TO LEAVE SAY THE LAST 10 YEARS? UM, UNLESS THEY VIOLATE A LEASE THEN, AND UNLESS THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE, UM, INCOME WISE, THEN NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T DO EVICTIONS.
OH, WE DON'T DO EVICTIONS OFF.
SO SAFELY ASSURED OUR POLICIES ARE OUR ACTIONS,
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OUR HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE.WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO BE TOSSING FOLKS OUT.
I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THESE FOLKS TO GET THEM TO THE NEXT STAGE OF THEIR LIVES, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO IS FOUR MONTHS, SIX MONTHS OF BENCHMARK THAT WE PULLED OUT SOMEWHERE OR A RECOMMENDATION OR OTHER CITIES DOING THIS, WHERE DOES SIX MONTHS COME FROM? I THINK FROM, UM, OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT'S BEEN IN OUR POLICY.
SO IT'S BEEN A HISTORICAL NUMBER OF TIMES THAT A TENANT CAN BE LATE ON RENT.
UM, WE CONSULT WITH, UM, INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS AND THE RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE IT FROM SIX TO FOUR MONTHS WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE INDUSTRY PROFESSIONAL, UM, CONSULT CONSULTATION THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS AN ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY ON TOP OF ALL OF THESE POLICY CHANGES, UM, BOTH REGULATORY PER HUD, AND ALSO DISCRETIONARY THAT HOUSING AUTHORITIES HAVE TO MAINTAIN AND MONITOR OUR PROGRAMS. SO WHAT'S THE BENCHMARK OTHER CITIES, ARE THEY DOING THE SAME THING? ARE THEY REDUCING THEIR TIMEFRAMES OR ARE THEY INCREASING THEM OR DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT TEMPE, PHOENIX, PHOENIX, BUT TEMPE, THE AIR ROUTES SURROUNDING CITIES ARE DOING, I WOULD SAY IN THIS PARTICULAR POLICY, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK, BUT FOR OVER INCOME, IT'S A MIXED BAG.
THERE'S HOUSING AUTHORITIES THAT DO DO EVICTIONS TERMINATION OF ASSISTANCE.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE TENANTS PAY FAIR MARKET RENTS.
SO ON YOUR PARTICULAR QUESTION, I WOULD HAVE TO DO A LITTLE SURVEY TO LOOK TO SEE, BUT AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS ONE.
THIS IS LOOKED AT EVERY YEAR, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND YOU'LL BRING THIS BACK NEXT YEAR, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND WITH THAT, YOU'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL METRICS NEXT YEAR, IMPLEMENTING THIS POLICY WILL HAVE, SO, OKAY.
SO ALL I WOULD ASK YOU AND THE STAFF HERE IS THAT IF YOU SEE THIS VIOLATION, IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO THROW, WE HAVE TO ASK PEOPLE TO LEAVE BECAUSE OF FOUR MONTHS VERSUS SIX MONTHS.
IF YOU SEE INCOME IS DRAMATICALLY RISING, YOU'RE GOING TO BRING THAT BACK TO US.
I WOULD HOPE AS A BRIEFING OR A MEMO OR SOMETHING TO KEEP US POSTED ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR, IN OUR WORLD.
AND IF WE NEED TO MODIFY THIS, THAT'S NOT A QUESTION MAYOR.
IT'S A, IT'S A STATEMENT, RIGHT? IF YOU NEED TO MODIFY THIS WILL YOU'LL BRING IT.
WE'LL BRING THIS BACK NEXT YEAR.
I'LL DO LIKE A QUESTION TO ME, BUT IT'S ALL RIGHT.
TO THE POINT THAT I MADE EARLIER CONCERNING WHAT ARE WE DOING WHEN PEOPLE ENTER THE PROGRAM? WHAT IS THE POINT OF BEING IN THE PROGRAM AND HOW DO WE EXIT THEM OUT? IS IT TO TREND THEM SO THAT WHEN THEY GO ON THEIR OWN, THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT RENT IS DUE ON TIME AND RENT.
NOBODY IS GOING TO WAIT FOR YOU FOR SIX MONTHS BEFORE THEY KICK YOU OUT OF THEIR OWN PROPERTY.
AND SECOND, IS IT ALSO A WAY TO HELP THEM TO COMMUNICATE? BECAUSE ALL I'M HEARING HERE IS THAT NOTICE AFTER NOTICE, AFTER NOTICE IS BEING SENT, RIGHT? AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE WANT TO AUTO POINT TO NARROW IT DOWN.
LIKE YOU ALWAYS SAID, COME FROM OUR COMMISSIONER OR LINDO IS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE, THE BAD APPLES, RIGHT? THE BAD ACTORS, AS YOU SAY, SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY HELP THOSE WHO REALLY NEED THE HELP SO THEY CAN GO FORWARD.
IS THAT THE POINT OF ALL THIS WHOLE, ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE? KAREN HARKEY COMMISSION MEMBER ELLIS? THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
WELL, UH, SOMEONE READY TO CALL THE QUESTION? ALL RIGHT.
SO WE, THAT OFFICIALLY ENDS DISCUSSION AND COUNCIL, UH, PULL THE COUNCIL POLL.
THE COMMISSION VICE-CHAIR STEWART.
MOTION CARRIES, UM, BY MAJORITY WITH COMMISSIONER HARRIS DISSENTING.
WELL MEASURED OR THIS IS THE LONGEST WE'VE SEEN YOU AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS, SO IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
AND, UM, WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES THIS, OUR PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY.