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AUTHORITY MEETING NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS A REGULAR, UH, COUNCIL MEETING.[Call to Order]
LIKE TO CALL THAT TO RD.HARTKE LOPEZ, COMMISSIONERS, OR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THAT'S MEMBER OF MY CLIMATE COUNCIL MEMBER WONG.
YEAH, THAT'S A MEMBER ROW COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.
THANK YOU FOR OUR INVOCATION TONIGHT, WE HAVE SUSAN STEVENS, CLARK FROM THE CHANDLER BEHI COMMUNITY.
AND FOR OUR PLEDGE, WE'D LIKE TO INVITE COUNCIL MEMBER SAM WONG TO LEAD US IN THAT IF YOU JOIN ME IN PRAYER, PLEASE.
THE HEARTS OF THY SERVANTS AND REVEAL UNTO THEM THAT GREAT PURPOSE.
MAY THEY FOLLOW THE COMMANDMENTS AND ABIDE IN THY LAW, HELP THEM, OH GOD, IN THEIR ENDEAVOR AND GRANT THEM STRENGTH TO SERVE THEE, OH GOD LEAD THEM NOT TO THEMSELVES, BUT GUIDE THEIR STEPS BY THE LIGHT OF DAY, KNOWLEDGE AND CHEER THEIR HEARTS BY THY LOVE VERILY THOU ART, THEIR HELPER, AND THEIR LORD.
PLEASE JOIN ME ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, ALTHOUGH THE UNITED STATES OR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY CALL.
NUMBER ONE, COUNCIL TONIGHT, WE HAVE, UH, SOME, WE'VE GOT ONE ITEM CURRENTLY ON ACTION AND SEVEN ITEMS THAT ARE ON CONSENT.
WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE SPEAKER CARDS THAT ARE RELATED TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON THIS.
WE'VE HAD SOME, UH, TWO ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN CALLED IN ITEM NUMBER SIX BY COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART AND COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, AS WELL AS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT BY COUNCIL MEMBERS ORLANDO.
[6. Introduction of Ordinance No. 4949 Amending Chapter 11 of the City Code to Allow for the Regulation of Recreational Marijuana]
WITH ITEM NUMBER SIX, UH, WHY DON'T WE START WITH A PRESENTATION AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.CAN YOU TAKE IT FROM THERE? OKAY.
LET'S BE WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY, I BELIEVE.
MA'AM MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
UM, AS YOU ARE AWARE, UH, THE CITIZENS OF ARIZONA VOTED AND APPROVED PROPOSITION TWO OH SEVEN, WHICH AUTHORIZED THE LEGAL SELL OF RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF ARIZONA.
THAT PROPOSITION COMES WITH A NUMBER OF REGULATIONS AND GAVE THE CITY, UM, SIGNIFICANT AUTHORITY IN REGULATING HOW THE SALE OF RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA SHALL OCCUR IN WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
UM, CONSISTENT WITH MANY OF OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU PROPOSES TO ALLOW RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA TO BE SOLD AND, AND ALREADY APPROVED MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARY THAT OBTAINS A DUAL LICENSE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES.
IT FURTHER, UM, PROHIBITS THE USE OF MARIJUANA PRODUCTS ON CITY PROPERTIES IN CITY PARKS AND CITY, RIGHT OF WAYS.
AND, UM, I'M SORRY, I JUST LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
I'M WHERE IT, IT ALSO PRECLUDES, UH, MARIJUANA TESTING FACILITIES FROM BEING, UM, OPENED WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF REGULATIONS ALREADY SET FORTH IN THE LAW, INCLUDING, UM, NOT SMOKING IN PUBLIC AND, AND NOT DRIVING, UM, WHILE YOU'RE CONSUMING MARIJUANA PRODUCTS OR HAVING THOSE PRODUCTS BEING CONSUMED BY PASSENGERS IN THE CAR.
UM, CURRENTLY, UH, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES WILL BE CREATING REGULATIONS, UM, AUTHORIZING THE DUAL LICENSES AND THE LAW DOES ALLOW FOR 26 STANDALONE RECREATIONAL DISPENSARIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF ARIZONA.
UM, AS I SAID, MANY OF OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES HAVE ALSO LIMITED THE SELL OF RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA TO DULY LICENSED MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES THAT OBTAIN A DUAL LICENSE TO SELL BOTH KINDS.
AND WITH THAT MAYOR, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE
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COUNCIL COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, LET'S START WITH YOU, YOUR MAYOR.UM, SO THIS WILL BE THE THIRD TIME THAT WE'RE MANY THIS ORDINANCE, CORRECT.
IF I MAY, UM, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, UM, IN REALITY, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE ISSUE OF RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA HAS COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL.
WE, THE COUNCIL ORIGINALLY DID PASS, UM, REGULATIONS REGARDING THE SELL OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA.
AND THAT WAS AMENDED ONE TIME THAT I'M AWARE OF.
SO THIS IS OUR THIRD ORDINANCE DEALING WITH THE SELL OF MARIJUANA.
SO IT'S A THIRD ORDINANCE AND DEALING WITH THE SILVER.
SO IT IS A LIVING ORDINANCE WHEN WE'RE CHANGING IT AS THINGS CHANGE IN OUR SOCIETY OR AS ACTIVITIES OCCUR, CORRECT? YES.
AND THIS COULD, AND THIS COULD BE CHANGED OBVIOUSLY BY A COUNCIL VOTE AS WELL, CORRECT? YES.
AND IF I MAY MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO RIGHT NOW, THIS IS VERY TO THE STATE OF ARIZONA.
WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REGULATIONS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES YET THEY HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME TO DEVELOP THOSE REGULATIONS.
ONE OF THE REGULATIONS THEY WILL DEVELOP WILL CONCERN THE DELIVERY OF MARIJUANA.
UM, AND THAT THERE'S A DELAYED IMPLEMENTATION OF TWO YEARS TO ALLOW DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES TO DEVELOP REGULATION.
SO AT THE MINIMUM, LOOKING AT US AT LEAST TWO YEARS FROM NOW, OR MAYBE SHORTER, IT DEPENDS WHAT TIME DATE THEY COME UP WITH THE DELIVERY.
AND SO I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION.
IT CAN BE, IF I MAY, IT CAN BE MENDED AT ANY TIME BY THE MARIN COUNCIL.
SO RIGHT NOW I KNOW WE HAVE SOME DISPENSARIES IN THE CITY, SOME ARE IN THE COUNTY, BUT IT'S INCORPORATED IN THE CITY.
HOW MANY DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IF I MAY MAYOR, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER LANDO, WE HAVE ONE IN THE CITY BOUNDARIES AND WE HAVE THREE IN THE COUNTY SURROUNDING OUR CITY, WHICH INCORPORATES IN THE GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION OF CHANDLER THAT BROKE BOUNDARIES, I GUESS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, BUT ONLY ONE WITHIN OUR ACTUAL CITY LIMITS.
SO, AND THEN AGAIN, JUST, JUST TO CONFIRM THE, THE LAW ALLOWS THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA FACILITIES TO GO AHEAD AND CONVERT TO, TO CONTINUE THE RECREATIONAL RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES.
UM, THEY HAVE TO GET A LICENSE TO DO SO THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES IS ON DEVELOPING THOSE REGULATIONS, BUT IF THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARY, THEY CAN APPLY AND GO THROUGH THE LICENSING PROCESS THROUGH THE STATE TO SELL BOTH TYPES.
AND SO, BUT THERE'S FOUR TODAY THAT COULD ACTUALLY JUST GO THROUGH THE LICENSING AND GET RECREATIONAL.
THAT IS CORRECT, BUT IT DOESN'T STOP THAT WE'LL STILL HAVE FOUR.
WE STILL HAVE AT LEAST FOUR COMING OUT OF TODAY.
AND THEN IF WE HAVE A RECREATIONAL AS A YEAR FROM NOW, UH, WHEN THE, THE FOLKS GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE DYNAMICS OF THIS NEW LAW, UM, THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND IF, IF A RESIDENT IMMEDIATELY COMPANY WANTS TO EXPAND THEIR PROCESS OR EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS, THEY COULD OBVIOUSLY APPLY FOR A PERMIT BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GIVING ANY ZONING PERMITS HERE WHERE WE'RE DENYING THEM ACCESS.
UM, MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, THIS ORDINANCE WOULD ONLY LIMIT THAT WOULD LIMIT THE CELEBREX CREATIONAL TO AN ALREADY APPROVED MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARY.
SO IF SOMEONE CAME IN A YEAR FROM NOW OR SIX MONTHS FROM NOW SAY, LOOK, WE WANT TO DO RECREATIONAL.
WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND WE CAN SAY, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT, AND WE CAN MOVE AMEND THIS RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO IN OUR SURROUNDING CITIES, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE IN GILBERT, ROUGHLY AND TEMPE AND MESA.
I KNOW GILBERT HAS ONE WITHIN THE, THEIR TOWN BOUNDARIES.
UH, MESA HAS QUITE A FEW IN EXCESS OF 20.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY TEMPE HAVES, UM, PHOENIX HAS AN EXCESS OF 30.
SO THEY'RE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE, THE VALLEY, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO ONE MORE QUESTION THEN, UH, THE OTHER THING IS THE, THE, UH, PROPOSITION SAID THAT ONLY 26 REC RECREATION FACILITIES COULD OPEN UP STATEWIDE.
IF I MAY MAYOR, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO, THAT WOULD BE THE STANDALONE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES.
THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO ALLOW 26 OF THOSE TO OPEN UP.
SO THAT SEEMS PRETTY LIMITED RIGHT THERE.
SO IF YOU'RE SMART, YOU PROBABLY WANT TO GET A MEDICAL ONE AND DIDN'T GET THE RECREATIONAL ONE.
YOU KNOW, I WILL DEFER THAT TO THE INDUSTRY.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE LIQUOR LICENSE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY HARD TO GET SOME OF THESE LICENSES AND I, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A COST FOR THAT, OBVIOUSLY MAYOR, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO THAT IS TRUE.
UM, AND IN A YEAR OR MAYBE TWO WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES REGULATIONS ARE GOING TO BE TO ALLOW THOSE STANDALONE.
LIKE I SAID, I'M OPEN TO, TO OPEN THIS UP AGAIN AND LOOK
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AT IT.AND, BUT RIGHT NOW I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST MAINTAINING WHAT WE HAVE, GET THAT OFF THE GROUND.
THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THE DISTRIBUTION WE COULD, OR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DELIVERY, WE CAN LOOK AT OTHER THINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE ROAD.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.
SO RECREATIONAL SALES WILL BE ALLOWED IN CHANDLER THAT'S BY THIS, THE, UH, THE PROPOSITION.
UM, SO THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
I GOT A COUPLE OF EMAILS ABOUT IT.
MAYOR COUNCIL, MEMBER STEWART.
THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR, TO CELEBRATE CREATIONAL, UM, TO A MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARY THAT OBTAINS THE DUAL LICENSE FROM DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES AND NOTHING ELSE.
SO NOBODY ELSE WILL BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR A RECREATIONAL LICENSE TO SELL AND IN THE CITY UNDER THIS ORDINANCE, THAT IS OKAY.
UH, FOR THERE IS A STIPULATION IN HERE ABOUT, UM, USING MARIJUANA OR CONSUMING MARIJUANA ON CITY PROPERTY THAT THAT'S PROBABLY MORE REFERENCING LIKE SMOKING, UH, CANNABIS OR, UM, OR IS THAT ANYTHING? IF I MAY MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART, THAT WOULD BE ANY CONSUMPTION OF MARIJUANA PRODUCTS.
UM, IT COMES IN VARIOUS FORMS. CAN YOU SMOKE IN CITY LIKE SMOKE CIGARETTES AND CITY PROPERTY? NOW YOU CANNOT.
HOWEVER, THE VAPING IS ANOTHER FORM THAT YOU CAN CONSUME TOBACCO AND MARIJUANA PRODUCTS THROUGH.
AND THERE'S QUESTION THAT IS NOT AS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED UNDER STATE LAW AND UNDER OUR LAWS.
AND THEN UNDER THIS, IF YOU WERE IN POSSESSION, THAT, THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T AFFECT ANYTHING.
IF YOU'RE ON CITY PROPERTY, RIGHT BASED ON THIS ORDINANCE, YOU CAN HAVE IT IN YOUR POCKET.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT IN YOUR HAND, AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT PUTTING IT IN YOUR MOUTH OR SMOKING IT, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART, THAT WOULD BE AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THE LEGAL PARAMETERS SET FORTH IN THE STATE LAW.
AND THEN AS IT RELATES TO PENALTIES, THESE ARE, THESE ALWAYS MAKE ME LIKE NERVOUS.
SO WHAT ARE THE, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO WE MEAN BY PENALTIES? SO UNDER STATE LAW, UM, PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS, FOR POSSESSION, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE ARE LIMITED UNDER THE INITIATIVE TO A PETTY OFFENSE OR LESS, AND A PETTY OFFENSE IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE, BUT IS AS LOW, LOWEST TYPE OF CRIMINAL OFFENSE YOU CAN HAVE UNDER OUR CODE.
WE DON'T REALLY USE PETTY OFFENSE.
WE EITHER GO CIVIL, WHICH IS A CITATION AND A FINE, OR WE GO UP TO CRIMINAL, UM, A MISDEMEANOR.
AND SO UNDER THE ORDINANCE PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT, ANY VIOLATIONS WOULD BE CIVIL.
SO THEY'D BE CIVIL, WHICH IF IT WAS SOMEBODY THAT WAS ECONOMICALLY CHALLENGED, BUT THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD BE LIKE IF SOMEBODY WAS CAUGHT SMOKING WAS THAT WOULD INCLUDE PARKS.
SO WOULD WE TREAT THIS AS A, THIS IS NEW TERRITORY.
SO WOULD WE TREAT THIS AS, LIKE, IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE BEER AT A BIRTHDAY PARTY, WOULD YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT TO HAVE AUDITIONS SAY YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN HAVE BEER, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE CANNABIS MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER.
IF I MAY, UM, UNDER THIS LAW, YOU, WE DON'T HAVE A PERMIT PROCESS FOR CANNABIS, FOR MARIJUANA.
UM, WE DO FOR ALCOHOL IT'S LIMITED AND THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, PROTECTIONS PUT IN PLACE FOR THAT.
MY LEGAL RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL WOULD BE TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT SORT OF REGULATIONS, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES ISSUES.
AND THEN WE MAY WANT TO REVISIT THAT ISSUE.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES IS GOING TO DO ON REGULATING THIS NEW AREA WE'RE IN.
MA'AM UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MCCLYMONDS AND THEN VICE MAYOR.
SO DO YOU ATTORNEY KELLY? UM, OKAY.
SO UNDER OUR CURRENT GUIDELINES, UM, FOR A MEDICAL DISPENSARY TO COME INTO CHANDLER, THEY NEED TO MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE.
AND THAT WAS BY DESIGN YEARS AGO WHEN WE SET THAT UP, IS THAT CORRECT? IF I MAY MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER MCCLYMONDS, THERE ARE A DISTANCING REQUIREMENTS FROM SCHOOLS AND, UH, DIFFERENT FACILITIES AND FROM EACH OTHER, SO THAT WE DID NOT HAVE A PROLIFERATION OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES IN ONE AREA.
AND, UH, UNDER THE NEW LAW, THOSE MEDICAL DISPENSARIES CAN ALSO DELIVER RECREATIONAL.
AND UNDER THE INITIATIVE APPROVED BY THE VOTERS AFTER TWO YEARS AND DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES, REGULATIONS, THEN DELIVERY IS AFFECTED, NOT DELIVERY.
THEY CAN SELL RECREATION, RIGHT? YES THEY CAN.
THEY CAN SELL RECREATIONAL SO LONG AS THEY OBTAIN THE DUAL LICENSE FROM.
AND SO UNDER THIS, IF WE PASS THIS NEW ORDINANCE, UM, WE WON'T ALLOW JUST RECREATIONAL TO COME
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IN, BUT A MEDICAL, ANOTHER MEDICAL COULD COME IN IF THEY CAN MEET ALL THOSE SETBACKS AND ALSO SELL RECREATIONAL MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER MCCLYMONDS.UM, BUT BY AND LARGE, BY PASSING THIS ORDINANCE, WE'VE ALMOST CREATED A MONOPOLY FOR THE ONE ENTITY IN CHANDLER.
WELL, IF I MAY MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER, MCCLYMONDS ANOTHER DISPENSARY, ANOTHER OWNER COULD COME IN, AS LONG AS THEY CAN MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
THEY'RE LICENSED BY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES.
THEY ABSOLUTELY CAN COME IN TO THE CITY.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF MEETING THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, JUST LIKE THIS DISPENSARY DID.
SO THE, MY ONLY QUESTION JUST FOR COUNCIL TO DIGEST IS WHY, IF YOU ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN, WOULD YOU NOT ALLOW THAT SAME CIRCUMSTANCE TO HAPPEN FOR RECREATIONAL? THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
WELL, WHY WOULD YOU NOT ALLOW ONE OR THE OTHER? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? JUST SOMETHING TO DIGEST.
NICE BEAR TO SOME OF THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT WE'VE SEEN FROM THE CONSTITUENTS AS STATED THAT WE'RE VIOLATING OR, OR SOMEHOW YOU SERVING THE VOTE ON TWO OH SEVEN, CAN YOU PLEASE CONFIRM THAT THIS ORDINANCE MEETS AND ALL THE REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH BY THE TWO OH SEVEN PROPOSITION THAT WE ARE NOT VIOLATING ANYTHING IN THIS CODE? IF I MAY MAYOR, UM, VICE MAYOR LOPEZ, UM, THE INITIATIVE AS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS ALLOWS CITIES TO REGULATE STANDALONE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, UH, DISPENSARIES, AND EVEN PROHIBIT THEM.
UM, THE, THE THING THAT THE COUNCIL THAT THE CITY CANNOT DO IS PREVENT A MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARY THAT HAS A DUAL LICENSE FROM SELLING RECREATIONAL.
SO IT COMPLIES 100% WITH THE INITIATIVE AS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? STEWART.
THANK YOU, MAYOR KELLY, IF WE EFFECTIVELY VOTE NO ON THIS ORDINANCE, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU WERE, IF THE ORDINANCE IS NOT PASSED, UM, AND SOMEONE CAME IN AND, AND GOT LICENSED THROUGH DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES TO SELL RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA, THEY CAN PRETTY MUCH GO INTO A RETAIL AREA OF THE TOWN, ANY RETAIL AREA OF TOWN EX, EXCEPT FOR OUR ZONING.
WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, A RADIUS AROUND CERTAIN AROUND OUR FACILITIES, RIGHT? WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE THAT.
WE DO FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARY.
SO WE NEED TO LAYER THAT IN IF WE WANTED VOTE, NO ON THIS, WE WOULD HAVE TO IMPLEMENT THAT AS MAYBE AN AMENDMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART, IF I MAY, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS A LONGER PROCESS.
WE HAD A SHORT TIME FROM THE TIME THIS WAS A PASSED, SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR.
AND, AND NOW THE LAW IS IN EFFECT IN ORDER TO GO THROUGH A ZONING CODE PROCESS THAT, THAT TAKES LONGER.
YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION THEN COMES TO THE COUNCIL, BUT YES, WE MOST CERTAINLY COULD PUT ZONING REGULATIONS IN PLACE.
WELL, I'M GLAD THAT YOU HAVE BECOME AN EXPERT AS QUICKLY AS YOU HAVE TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ROWE, I THINK JUST ABOUT ALL OF US HAS SPOKEN ON THIS ISSUE.
UM, I I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH IT BECAUSE ANY ADULT PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE TO GET RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA CAN GO TO CHANDLER OR TEMPE OR GILBERT AND IT WILL BE AVAILABLE.
SO NO ONE IS BEING DEPRIVED AND IT WAS PASSED BY THE VOTERS, WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR NOT, BUT WE DO HAVE A PROCESS AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GOING TO GO WITHOUT WELL, I'M GOOD.
[Consent Agenda]
WHAT COUNCIL WAS SEEING? NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.UM, THIS IS CURRENTLY ON CONSENT.
MAY I MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL, REGULAR MEETING FOR DECEMBER 17TH, 2020, ALL CONSENT ITEMS. ONE, TWO, SIX, SEVEN, SEVEN.
IS THERE A SECOND IT'S ACTION.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER, RO MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.
I'LL BE VOTING NO ON ITEM THREE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR ARE THE PEACE COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART? I'LL BE VOTING NO ON AMENDMENT SIX.
AND I'LL BE WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WORK ON AN AMENDMENT TO SPLIT THAT OUT SO THAT WE CAN ADD THE, UM, UH, NO SMOKING ON, ON CITY PROPERTY, BUT W W
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W WE NEED TO PREVENT THE MONOPOLY, SO, OH, OKAY.SO WE HAVE TWO NOS ON NUMBER THREE.
I'D LIKE TO WORK ON A PLAN TO CREATE EQUAL FOR ZONING FOR BOTH.
SO ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS SEEING NONE COUNCIL PLEASE VOTE? WOW.
AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CONSENT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY FOR ITEMS ONE, TWO, FOUR, FIVE, AND SEVEN ITEM THREE PASSES MY MAJORITY AND ITEM SIX PASSES BY MAJORITY.
[Action Agenda]
NEXT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT IS A ACTION ITEM ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.THIS IS AN ITEM THAT, UM, WE, UH, HAD DELAYED FROM A PREVIOUS, UM, COUNCIL MEETING AT THE REQUEST OF THE, OF THE DEVELOPER.
SO AT THIS POINT, UH, WE'LL HAVE STAFF MAKE A PRESENTATION.
WE'LL INVITE UP THE, UH, ZONING ATTORNEY TO DO THE SAME.
I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF CARDS UP HERE IF YOU, THAT WOULD LIKE TO CHOP.
I HAVE TWO FROM, UH, CHRISTY BROWN AND, UH, DEBBIE HILL, WAS THIS THE ITEM THAT YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ON BECAUSE THE, UH, ON OUR STUDY SESSION, THE ITEM THAT OTHERS ARE ALSO SPEAKING ON IS ALSO A NUMBER EIGHT RELATED TO SPECIAL APPEARANCES.
SO FAR CHRISTIE AND DEBBIE, ARE YOU BOTH HERE? WAS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ON? GREAT.
I WILL ADD YOU TO THE MIX ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, PLEASE PROCEED.
THANK YOU, MAYOR ITEM EIGHT IS PLH 20 ZERO ZERO ONE TO THE VILLAGES OF CHANDLER.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REZONING FROM THE EXISTING PAD ZONING, WHICH IS FOR OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL LAND USES TO PAD AMENDED FOR MULTIFAMILY PAD IS REFERRING TO PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT.
UH, IT IS ALSO A REQUEST FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE DESIGN.
THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY NINE ACRES IN AREA, AND AS SHOWN HERE, IT IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GILBERT ROAD AND RIGGS ROAD TO THE NORTH AND WEST.
YOU CAN SEE COMMERCIAL LAND USES AND KITTY CORNER TO THIS SITE.
YOU CAN SEE AN ASSISTED LIVING SIDE, UH, FOR THE REMAINING SURROUNDING LAND USES.
IT IS PRIMARILY SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND THE ASSOCIATED OPEN SPACE.
A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE LOCATION AND HISTORY OF THE SITE.
IT IS PART OF THE SPRINGFIELD LAKES NEIGHBORHOOD MASTER PLAN.
IN 1998, THE MASTER PLAN WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED BY COUNCIL AS PART OF A REZONING.
THE SITE SHOWN HERE WAS CALLED OUT THEN FOR COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE LAND USES.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL APPROVED PDP FOR THAT SITE IN WHITE AND BLACK.
YOU SEE THE EXISTING WALGREENS AND BANK THAT ARE THERE TODAY AND IN COLOR SURROUNDING THAT IS THE SUBJECT SITE FOR TODAY.
YOU SEE IT THERE RECALL THAT OFFICE MEDICAL OFFICE AND RETAIL RESTAURANT LAND USES AS PART OF THAT PREVIOUS PID AND PDP THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED.
UH, THESE ELEVATIONS WERE ALSO APPROVED.
THESE INCLUDED BUILDING HEIGHT OF 30 FEET ONTO TONIGHT'S PROPOSAL.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REZONE FOR 108 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS.
THIS EQUATES TO 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS ARE ONE AND TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE EXHIBIT, THERE ARE OPEN SPACE AMENITIES, INCLUDING THIS OPEN COURTYARD WITH REMODELS ALONG THE NORTH ALONG RIGGS ROAD IS AN OPEN, UH, OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL WORKOUT AREA, AS WELL AS A DOG PARK.
AND RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE IS A POOL I REMODEL AREA, UH, GREETING THE RESIDENTS, UH, ADDITIONALLY STIPULATED BY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THIS MORE LINEAR SITE DESIGN WOULD SHIFT A BIT.
THE SIDEWALKS WOULD STAGGER OR BECOME A CURVILINEAR.
AND THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT WOULD ALSO DO THE SAME TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF VARIATION ON SOME OF THE LONGER STRETCHES THAT ARE SHOWN IN THIS EXHIBIT OR SETBACKS FOR THE SITE.
YOU'RE SEEING FORTY-FIVE FEET AS PRESCRIBED BY THE STIPULATIONS FROM GILBERT ROAD, 70 FEET FROM RIGGS ROAD
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AND TO THE SOUTH AND EAST, WHERE THEY ARE ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY.YOU ARE SEEING A 15 FOOT MINIMUM SETBACK THAT ARE BROKEN UP INTO INDIVIDUAL YARDS.
ALSO A LANDSCAPED BUFFER SURROUNDS THAT PART OF THE PERIMETER.
MOVING ON TO BUILDING DESIGN SHOWN HERE, YOU SEE THE TWO STORY, UH, BUILDING THERE ONLY NINE OF THESE UNITS.
UH, THEY'RE USING A VARIETY OF MATERIALS, INCLUDING BOARD AND BATTEN, NOT SHOWN HERE, BUT STIPULATED IS ALSO MASONRY, WHICH WILL BE INCLUDED ON EACH OF THE ELEVATIONS, UH, AS WELL AS STUCCO FOR THE ROOF DESIGN.
YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE USING FRONT FACING GABLED ROOF, GABLED ROOFS, AS WELL AS, UH, CROSS CABLE, THE BRIDGE BEYOND CONNECTING THE TWO OR THREE UNITS.
THEY CHANGED FROM A ORIGINAL PAIR PIT STYLE DESIGN TO INCLUDE THESE PAIR PITS, UH, TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE ADJACENT RESIDENTS AFTER HEARING SOME OF THEIR INPUT, THEY ALSO INCLUDED YOU CAN SEE SHUTTERS, UH, MORE SILLS AND MOLDING.
THERE ARE STANDING SEAM METAL SHED ROOFS, UH, TO KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT RURAL AGRARIAN AESTHETIC.
THE APPLICANT ALSO WORK TO PROVIDE FURTHER COLOR SCHEMES TO PROVIDE MORE VARIETY TO THIS SIDE.
USUALLY YOU WILL SEE AROUND THREE OR FOUR, THEY'RE PROPOSING SIX, AND THEN AS FURTHER STIPULATED BY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THERE WILL BE MORE FACADE ARTICULATION, UH, PRIMARILY IN THE REAR.
THERE MAY BE A JOG OF A FOOT OR SO TO BREAK UP THOSE FACADES.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, MASONRY MATERIAL BE ADDED TO EACH BUILDING AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ALSO ASKED FOR THE FRONT PORCHES TO BE ENHANCED OR BROADENED MOVING ON TO HOW OUR ADOPTED LONG RANGE PLANS SEE THIS SITE.
THE FUTURE DESIGNATED LAND USE IS NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THIS SITE AND PULLED FROM THE GENERAL PLAN.
THE RECOMMENDATIONS HERE ALLOW FOR MEDIUM DENSITY, WHICH IS 3.5 TO 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THIS PROPOSAL IS 12 UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, IT ALLOWS FOR THIS DENSITY TO BE CONSIDERED ON INFILL PARCELS, WHICH WE CONSIDER THE SITE TO BE, UH, BETWEEN LAND USES OF DIFFERENT INTENSITIES, WHICH IS THE CASE HERE.
UM, OR AS PART OF THE MIXED USE SITE OR ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL LAND USES AND ALONG ARTERIAL ROADS.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, WE HAVE A SOUTHEAST CHANDLER AREA PLAN.
THIS SITE IS SHOWN HERE WITH THE BLUE STAR.
UH, IT IS CALLED OUT AS A TRADITIONAL SUBURBAN CHARACTER, WHICH IS APPLIED WHERE THERE ISN'T A DOMINANT AESTHETIC.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS INCLUDED A CERTAIN DESIGN FEATURES TO SPEAK MORE TO THE RURAL AGRARIAN DESIGN DOWN THERE.
UH, THIS PLAN ALLOWS FOR DENSITIES UP TO 3.5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, IT DOES CALL OUT THAT ABOUT 2.5 MAY BE THE NORM, BUT ALLOWS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER HIGHER.
IT ALSO CALLS FOR A LITTLE PROFILE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, YOU COULD SAY THAT THE ONE AND TWO STORY DESIGN THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ALIGNS WITH THAT LOW PROFILE GUIDANCE.
AND IT ALSO CALLS OUT THAT NON RESIDENTIAL LAND USES.
SO COMMERCIAL OR OFFICE ARE NOT DESIRED ON EVERY ARTERIAL CORNER.
EVEN FURTHER, UH, REFERRING BACK TO THE SPRINGFIELD EX MASTER PLAN, UH, HERE, THE SITE IS SHOWN WITH A STAR, THE SUBJECT SITE, UH, TO THE EAST ALONG LINDSEY CALLED THAT IN RED IS A 20 ACRE SITE THAT WAS INITIALLY ZONED FOR MULTI-FAMILY UNITS 324 UNITS, UH, OVER 20 ACRES EQUATED TO 15.4 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, INSTEAD IN 2014, THAT SITE WAS DEVELOPED WITH 72 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ENTIRE SPRINGFIELD LAKES MASTER PLAN AREA WITH THE NEWLY PROPOSED 108 UNITS, THE AGGREGATE DENSITY THAT WOULD EXIST WOULD BE 2.9 DWELLING UNITS.
IT'S, UH, A LITTLE BIT OVER 200 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS THAT WOULD BE, UH, OR I'M SORRY, 200 UNITS OVERALL THAT WOULD STILL BE REDUCED FROM THE INITIAL RESULTS.
FOR THOSE REASONS, STAFF IS FINDING THAT THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDING PLANS, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE REZONING, AS WELL AS FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAN ON THIS SCREEN HERE, YOU SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF EACH OF THOSE VOTES.
UH, THE REZONING WAS FIVE TO TWO AND THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS FIVE TO ZERO OR TWO APPSEC.
UH, CHANDLER IS LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE VERY INVOLVED RESIDENTS HERE ON THIS SITE.
WE DID GET A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE RESIDENTS,
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UH, ATTACHED TO THE MEMO IS A SET OF SUPPORT LETTERS, AS WELL AS OPPOSITION, A FEW MORE HAVE BEEN RECEIVED.AND I BELIEVE ALSO RECEIVED BY WALL THROUGH EMAIL, UM, THAT WERE FURTHER IN SUPPORT AND ALSO FURTHER IN OPPOSITION.
UH, REASONS FOR SUPPORT INCLUDE THAT IT APPEARS COMMERCIAL MAY NOT BE VIABLE.
UH, THE LAND USE MAY BE LESS OF NOXIOUS.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE LARGE DUMPSTERS BEING PICKED UP.
UH, OFFICES MAY NOT STAY OPEN LATER, OR OFFICES MAY STAY OPEN LATER OR ATTRACT MORE TRAFFIC.
UH, AND WE DID GET COMMENTS THAT THE DESIGN THEY FELT WAS NICE, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE APPLICANT DIDN'T MAKE REVISIONS AFTER MEETING AGAIN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, REASONS FOR OPPOSITION INCLUDED TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND DENSITY, UH, THAT THESE UNITS WILL BE SECTION EIGHT HOUSING AND AN INCREASE IN NOISE, AND THAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD NOT FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD POTENTIALLY AS IT RELATES TO TRAFFIC CONGESTION AS CALLED OUT IN THE MEMO, THIS WOULD RESULT IN A REDUCTION OF THE AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS.
BY, AT A MINIMUM, WE ANTICIPATE 60% AND THAT'S BASED ON ENGINEERING STATISTICS, NOT ON GOING OUT TO THE SIDE OR TAKING COUNTS, UM, AND THAT THE RESIDENTS WILL STATE THEIR COMMENTS AND THEY ARE, UH, REFERRING TO A VACANT SITE, WHICH I CAN UNDERSTAND, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO REFER BACK TO THE EXISTING APPROVED REZONING.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SHARED THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING MARKET RATE HOUSING, UH, FOR THIS SITE.
AND AS FAR AS OUTREACH METHODS ARE CONCERNED, THE APPLICANT HAS MET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY FOR OUTREACH, AND THEY HAVE GONE ABOVE THOSE REQUIREMENTS TO HOLD ADDITIONAL MEETINGS VIA ZOOM, UH, TO ANSWER FOR THEIR QUESTIONS FROM THE APPLICANTS.
UH, THEY ALSO DID PRELIMINARY OUTREACH, UH, DOOR TO DOOR FOR THIS ITEM AS WELL.
SO WITH THAT, UH, AGAIN, PLANNING, IS THERE ANY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR APPROVAL AND I WILL STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO CLEAR UP, AND YOU SAID UNDER OPPOSITION, IT SAYS THAT IT WILL BE, WILL BE A SECTION EIGHT HOUSING THAT'S NOT ACCURATE, IS IT THE APPLICANT HAS SHARED THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING MARKET RATE UNITS.
SO THEY WILL BE USED FOR SECTION EIGHT HOUSING.
NOW THROUGH THE MERIT NOTE, THEY HAVE SHARED THAT THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING SECTION EIGHT, THEY WOULD BE MARKET RATE UNITS.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT, UH, THERE WAS JUST A FEW HOMES THAT WERE TWO STORIES.
AND THE TWO STORY HOMES IN YOUR DIAGRAM OR A BRIGHT YELLOW, AND THEY ARE JUST BACKED UP TO THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
SO THROUGH THE MAYOR, CORRECT COUNCILMEN.
YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE BRIGHT YELLOW, THEY ARE ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL AS FAR AWAY FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY AS POSSIBLE ON THIS SIDE.
SO NO HOMES OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE'LL ALL BE SINGLE HOME SINGLE LEVEL OF STORY.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION ON THE SECTION EIGHT.
I APPRECIATE THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTION AS WELL.
UM, ALONG THE HOUSES THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THE, UH, EAST SIDE, WHAT IS THE SETBACK THERE AGAIN THAT THEY THROUGH THE MIRROR? UH, IT COMES FROM IN THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A MINIMUM 15 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSE NEXT TO IT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE PROPOSED UNITS.
SO HOW ABOUT HOW CLOSE THAT'D BE TO THE NEAREST BACKYARD? IS IT ONLY BE 15 FEET THEN? THE BACKYARDS WOULD BE THE GATE FROM THE WALLS WHEN THE OTHER HOUSES THAT SPACING IT, LIKE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
OH, ON THE, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCILMAN, YOU'RE ASKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, THEY APPEAR TO BE ABOUT 40, 40 FEET OR SO WOULD IT BE 40 PIZZA? AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE, THE SETBACKS ARE ABOUT 40 FEET AS WELL, APPROXIMATELY? YES, SIR.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS SO, AND MAYBE YOU CAN'T ANSWER, BUT ECONOMIC.
WHAT ELSE HAS BEEN ACTIVITY? WHAT OTHER ACTIVITY HAS BEEN IN THIS AREA FOR THE LAST EIGHT, 10 YEARS, 15 YEARS? UM, THROUGH THE MAYOR, COUNCILMAN ORLANDO RECENTLY TO THE NORTH, WE'VE HAD COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY, I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH MANY INQUIRIES AT THIS TIME, SO IT'D BE BELIEVED A ZONING ATTORNEY WILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
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AND A MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO.I KNOW THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER LOOK AT SOME MULTI-FAMILY ON THE SITE, BUT PRIOR TO THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
WHERE DOES MICAH, THERE HE IS.
ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYTHING ON THIS PROPERTY BEYOND THAT? OKAY.
NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING ELSE FROM OUR VIEWPOINT ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO AGAIN, CAN, CAN WE HAVE, CAN YOU COME FORWARD, MIKE OR SOMEBODY WHO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
MA'AM BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE LAST HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED WITH THREE STORY, MAYBE TWO, THREE OR FOUR, THAT WAS ON THIS.
SO THIS IS QUITE A DENSITY, UH, DESTINATION.
SO OBVIOUSLY THE COMMERCIAL PIECE OF THIS IS, IS ONLY HALF OR LISA, A QUARTER DESIGNED HERE.
WHY ISN'T THE REST OF THIS FILLED OUT THROUGH THE MAYOR COUNCIL, ORLANDO.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS AFFECTING IT FROM A RETAIL PERSPECTIVE AND AN OFFICE PERSPECTIVE.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, THE RETAIL PERSPECTIVE, THE TRADE AREA IS VERY LIMITING FOR IT, OBVIOUSLY, UH, TO THE SOUTH IS THE HEALER RIVER INDIAN COMMUNITY, WHICH, UH, EFFECTIVELY SHUTS DOWN ABOUT 170% OF THE TRADE AREA.
THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS, UM, THE EXISTING RETAIL ON THE OTHER CORNERS AS THE CITY MANAGER POINTED OUT.
SO FROM A RETAIL PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, UH, MOST RECENTLY, UM, IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT THE LAST TIME WE WERE APPROACHED ABOUT INTEREST ON THIS CORNER WAS FOR MULTI-FAMILY PRODUCT AS THE CITY MANAGER HAD INDICATED.
WHEN THEY PUT THESE TWO CORNER PROPERTIES, HERE ARE THE STANDALONE PIECES OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
THERE WAS THERE A IMPLICATION THAT SOMETHING ELSE HAD BEEN DONE THERE? WAS THERE A PROMISE MADE THAT SOMETHING ELSE HAD BEEN DONE? ARE THEY THOSE TWO STANDALONE BUILDINGS WERE ON AND THAT WAS IT FOR THE ENTIRE PLANNING PROCESS OR COUNCIL MEMBER? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT LOOKED LIKE WHEN THOSE PROJECTS CAME IN TO GET PLOTTED AND DEVELOPED.
THEY W THEY WERE ON TWO DIFFERENT SUBMITTALS.
SO IT WASN'T, YEAH, IT WASN'T A SCENARIO, WHICH WE'VE SEEN A FEW TIMES THROUGHOUT OUR HISTORY WHERE THE DEVELOPER CAME IN AND SAID, I'M GOING TO BUILD THESE TWO THINGS.
AND THEN TOMORROW, OR NEXT WEEK, WE'LL, WE'LL GET THE REST OF THIS TAKEN CARE OF, AND THE ZONING WAS GRANTED UPON THAT, OR NO, WHERE'S THE ZONING.
THE PLANNING ON THE ZONING WAS THE ZONING.
AND THE REASON WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP IS BECAUSE IT CONCERNS ME FROM A BIGGER PICTURE HERE.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CASES POTENTIALLY COMING UP HERE AND WE'VE HAD THESE CASES BEFORE THEY COME IN AND THEY SAID, LET ME PUT THE COMMERCIAL PIECE IN.
AND THEN WE DON'T HEAR FROM THEM FOR 20 YEARS LATER, THEY WANT TO, AND THEY GO, IT GOES AWAY.
WAS THAT IN THIS SCENARIO HERE? OKAY.
MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, THIS PROPERTY, THE ENTIRE CORNER WAS ZONED IN A MASTER PLAN.
THAT WAS THE ENTIRE SQUARE MILE.
THEN IT CAME THROUGH FOR PDP, UH, WHEN THE WALGREENS AND THE BANK CAME THROUGH, THERE WAS A CONCEPT PDP FOR THE BALANCE OF IT THAT WAS APPROVED.
CAUSE WE, WE WOULD NOT SUPPORT, UH, SIMPLY JUST DOING A STANDALONE PAD AND NOT KNOWING WHAT WAS COMING.
UH, AFTER THAT, THEN THE COLOR PPC ON YOUR SCREEN NOW CAME THROUGH AS A SEPARATE KIND OF REVISION TO THAT PDP.
BUT THIS WAS ALL DONE AT A TIME WHEN, UH, THE IDEOLOGY BACK THEN WAS SIMPLY COMMERCIAL ON EVERY CORNER, UH, TO CAPTURE AS MANY RETAIL SALES TAX DOLLARS AS WE COULD.
UH, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT KIND OF IDEOLOGY HAS NOT PLAYED OUT IN THE MARKET IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.
NOW THAT THAT'S WHAT I ASSUMED WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THIS FEE.
SO I GUESS WE GOTTA BE WHERE WE MADE IT, MAKE SURE WE ASKED THEM TO PUT THE COMMERCIAL AND THEY PUT EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME.
RIGHT? THAT IS, UH, THAT IS PART OF THE CURRENT IDEOLOGY.
MIRROR ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BEFORE WE CALL UP THE ZONING ATTORNEY, SEEING NONE.
THANK YOU, MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, SAME TO HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN BLINDNESS OR WEARING A MASK.
I'M WENDY RIDELL WITH THE LAW FIRM, BERRY V DALLAS 67 50 EAST CAMELBACK.
IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF TRUE VISTA AND THE VILLAGES AT CHANDLER.
SO THIS SITE IS STAFF HAS NOTED HERE IS ABOUT NINE ACRES, UM, AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GILBERT AND RIGS, OF COURSE YOU SEE THE BANK, THE WALGREENS AND THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL STOP ALSO NOTED.
IT WAS PART OF THE SPRINGFIELD LAKES MASTER PLAN THAT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED BACK IN 1998.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT MULTI-FAMILY WAS ALWAYS PLANNED TO BE A PART OF THAT MASTER PLAN.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU SEE THE PORTION THAT'S IN PURPLE.
THAT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE ACTUALLY MORE TRADITIONAL MULTIFAMILY AT 15 DWELLING UNITS TO THE ACRE 324 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS.
WHEN SPRINGFIELD CAME IN, THE ULTIMATE PLANT DENSITY WAS 3.09 OR 1,840 UNITS.
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WELL, AS WE LOOK AT THE SITE AND HOW IT DEVELOPED IMPORTANTLY TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN ORLANDO IN 2008, THE WALGREENS WAS CONSTRUCTED ULTIMATELY IN 2011, THE BANK WAS CONSTRUCTED.AND THEN IN 2014, THE MULTIFAMILY THAT WAS PART OF THE SPRINGFIELD LAKES MASTER PLAN WAS ACTUALLY REZONED TO SINGLE FAMILY, BUT THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY REMAINED VACANT IN A STEAL.
THE PUNCHLINE A LITTLE BIT, WHICH STAFF HAS ALREADY SHARED WITH YOU AS WELL, THAT EVEN WITH OUR PROPOSAL HERE TONIGHT, WE ARE STILL WELL BELOW THE DENSITY THAT WAS PLANNED FOR THE STRINGFIELD LAKES MASTER PLAN FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
SO AS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS CASE, AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN QUITE AWHILE PRE PANDEMIC.
IN FACT, THERE WERE KIND OF THREE QUESTIONS IN THREE THEMES THAT KEPT COMING UP.
SO WHY NOT MARSHALL? WHY CAN'T THIS SITE BE COMMERCIAL? WHY PUT SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED HOUSING HERE AND WHY IS THIS THE RIGHT PLAN? SO I'M SURE THIS COUNCIL KNOWS ALL TOO WELL THAT THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT WAS SAVE EVERY CORNER FOR COMMERCIAL.
AS KEVIN MENTIONED, CAPTURE EVERY SALES TAX DOLLAR YOU POSSIBLY COULD.
AND AT THE TIME IN THE EIGHTIES AND THE NINETIES, AND MAYBE EVEN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, THAT MADE SENSE, BUT THE WORLD HAS CHANGED EVEN MORE.
SO TODAY WE'RE HAVING FOUR CORNERS FOR COMMERCIAL.
YOU HAVE E-COMMERCE YOU HAVE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOUR HOUSES, BUT I GO HOME IS STUCK WITH BOXES OUTSIDE THE DOOR LAST AND LAST PEOPLE ARE SHOPPING AT BRICK AND MORTAR STORES.
NOT ALL FOUR CORNERS CAN BE COMMERCIAL.
AND IN PARTICULAR, AGAIN IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS JUST CALLED YOU.
THAT'S PARTICULARLY TRUE HERE.
WHEN YOU LOOK SOUTH OF THIS SITE, IT SIMPLY DOES NOT HAVE THE 360 DEGREE TRADE AREA THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THIS TO BE A SUCCESSFUL COMMERCIAL SITE.
THAT'S WHY THERE HAS BEEN NO USER INTEREST ON THIS SITE SINCE 1990, 30 YEARS, WHEN IT FIRST WAS DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL, NO INTEREST IN DEVELOPING THE SITE.
SO THEN YOU SAY WHY SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL HERE? WELL, IN PART, BECAUSE I'VE JUST SHARED WITH YOU, OF COURSE, THERE'S NO MARKET FOR COMMERCIAL.
WE KNOW THAT THE MULTIFAMILY WAS REZONED OUT OF THE SPRINGFIELD LAKES MASTER PLAN.
SO THIS PROPOSAL ACTUALLY PUTS THE HOUSING DIVERSITY BACK INTO THIS PLAN.
IT RIGHTSIZED AS THE COMMERCIAL AND AGAIN, THE ULTIMATE DENSITY STILL STAYS BELOW WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR THE SPRINGFIELD LAKES MASTER PLAN.
WE KNOW IT'S CONSISTENT WITH YOUR GENERAL PLAN THAT ALLOWS A RANGE OF RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS DESIGNATION.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANTLY, CONSISTENT WITH THE SOUTHEAST CHANDLER AREA PLAN THAT ASKS FOR A DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES THAT SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AS A PERMISSIBLE HOUSING TYPE.
IT ALLOWS THIS PROJECT TO DEVELOP IN A WAY THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE OVERALL DENSITY RESULTING IN AN OVERALL DENSITY OF 2.86.
WELL, BELOW THE 3.5, AGAIN, MEETING THE C CAP BOWLS OF AVOIDING COMMERCIAL AT ALL CORNERS.
THAT'S ALSO WHY WE'RE PLEASED TONIGHT TO HAVE STAFF SUPPORT.
STAFF HAS BEEN GREAT WORKING THROUGH THIS PROJECT WITH US AND HAVE THEIR SUPPORT BECAUSE OF THE SOUTHEAST CHANDLER AREA PLAN AND THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION.
SO THE PROPOSAL ITSELF, WE'VE GOT 108 UNITS MIX OF ONE AND TWO BEDROOM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, ALL WITH PRIVATE BACKYARDS, MODERN FARMHOUSE ARCHITECTURE, CONSISTENT WITH THE AGRARIAN THEME IN THE AREA, CENTRAL GREENBELT, DOG PARK POOL, LOTS OF REALLY GREAT AMENITIES, PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED, GATED, SECURE COMMUNITY.
SO WHY IS THIS THE RIGHT PLAN? AND I APPRECIATE YOU COUNCILMEN DOBRO BRINGING IT UP.
IT'S THE RIGHT PLAN HERE IN LARGE PART BECAUSE IT'S SINGLE STORY.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE MAXIMUM 18 FEET IN HEIGHT.
IT'S ONLY WHEN YOU LOOK TO THE VERY CENTER OF THE PROJECT.
SO WHERE DO YOU SEE THAT LIGHT BLUE? THOSE ARE THE ONLY UNITS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING BE TO STORE.
THIS IS A SENSITIVE BUFFER BETWEEN EXISTING COMMERCIAL AND EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND WE'VE HEARD THAT FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, WE'VE ALSO DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH YOUR STAFF AND WITH THE NEIGHBORS REVISING THE ELEVATIONS OF THIS SITE TO GIVE IT THAT MODERN FARMHOUSE LOOK.
SO IT COMPLIMENTS THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
SO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE WE STARTED WITH MORE OF A MID CENTURY MODERN LOOK TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, MUCH MORE CONSISTENT.
AGAIN, THE TWO STORY, WHICH ARE ONLY ON THE CENTER OF THE SITE, OF COURSE, AGAIN, THAT FARMHOUSE CONSISTENT WITH YOUR VARIANT THEME IN THE AREA GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE RENDERED BUILDING LOOKS LIKE.
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AND AGAIN, THE TWO STORY ONLY LIMITED TO THE CENTER OF THE SITE.I ALSO WORKED HARD TO DEVELOP NEW SIGNAGE FOR THIS SITE, SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE STARTED AND WHERE WE'VE ENDED UP.
AND I THINK AWESOME MUCH MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA.
SO ONE OF THE ISSUES, I THINK THIS CASE HAS BROUGHT TO LIGHT AS A BAND ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH.
SO AS I MENTIONED, WE ACTUALLY STARTED THIS CASE PRE PANDEMIC.
WE STARTED WITH AN OUTREACH CONSULTANT WALKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOOR TO DOOR, ACTUALLY WENT OUT FOUR SEPARATE TIMES, SENT OUT A NOTIFICATION LETTER.
WE HAD OUR FIRST VIRTUAL OPEN HOUSE.
UM, ULTIMATELY, HOWEVER, WE DID HEAR THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNICATION THAT CAME TO THE MAYOR AND WE'RE GRATEFUL THAT YOU GUYS WERE WILLING TO CONTINUE THE CASE TO GIVE US SOME ADDITIONAL TIME.
SO WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND WE CREATED OUR OWN WEBSITE.
WELCOME TO LOOK IT UP WHERE WE PUT ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS CASE.
WE TOOK THAT OUT THERE, WE'VE POSTED.
AND I TELL YOU, I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER DEVELOPER.
THAT'S DONE THIS, BUT WE POSTED THAT WEBSITE ON NEXT DOOR, ON LIVING CHANDLER.
WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD TO GET THAT COMMUNICATION OUT, TO SHARE IT WITH EVERYONE.
WE HELD A ZOOM MEETING IMMEDIATELY.
AND THEN AGAIN, WE PUT IT OUT THERE ON NEXT DOOR AND LIVING CHANDLER TO HOLD AN ADDITIONAL ZOOM MEETING.
AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE FOLKS THAT JUMPED ON AND WERE ABLE TO GET THE CORRECT INFORMATION TO THEM.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME CRITICISM FROM SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT THAT WAS NOT COMPLIANT.
AND I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT NOT ONLY WAS IT COMPLIANT, IT ACTUALLY GREATLY EXCEEDED THE CITY OF CHANDLER'S REQUIREMENTS.
WE VALUE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT.
WE VALUE STAKEHOLDER INPUT AND COVID MAKES IT A BIT CHALLENGING, BUT WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE COULD TO GET THE WORD OUT.
SO, SO DURING THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, THERE WERE KIND OF FOUR TOPICS THAT KEPT COMING UP.
THEY'RE THE SAME ONES I'M SHARING WITH YOU HERE.
THE FIRST WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, WHICH IS THE VIABILITY OF COMMERCIAL.
AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT THAT REDUCED TRADE AREA.
YOU'VE GOT 30 YEARS OF NEVER DEVELOPING THIS COMMERCIAL.
THE OTHER WAS ABOUT THE PUBLIC NOTICE.
I'VE ALREADY SHARED WITH YOU HOW WE'VE REALLY EXCEEDED THE PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THE OTHER TWO ISSUES WERE ABOUT TRAFFIC AND ABOUT SAY THE PROFILE OF OUR RENTER.
SO FIRST, WHEN YOU LOOK AT TRAFFIC, WHEN YOU COMPARE OUR SITE TO THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS, IT IS A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC.
WITH THIS PROJECT, YOU WILL HAVE LESS TRAFFIC THAN HOW THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ENTITLED.
IT WILL GENERATE 60 TO 76% FEWER TRIPS.
AS A RESULT OF THIS PROPOSAL, WE ALSO WERE ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT WE ARE ALONG TWO MAJOR ARTERIALS THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT CAPACITY.
IT HAS CAPACITY FOR WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE TODAY.
SIMPLY PUT TRAFFIC IS NOT A REASON TO OPPOSE THIS CASE ONE.
AND I'M TRYING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIPLOMATIC ABOUT SAYING THIS ABOUT THE PROFILE OF THE RENTER, BUT IT WAS WHO'S GOING TO BE LIVING IN THESE PLACES.
IS THIS GOING TO BE SECTION EIGHT HOUSING? AND I ASSURE YOU, THIS IS NOT SECTION EIGHT HOUSING.
THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MISINFORMATION THAT WAS OUT THERE.
THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT ARE FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO AGE IN PLACE, BUT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO STAY HERE AND LIVE OUT HERE, BUT CAN'T AFFORD PERHAPS THEIR OWN HOME RIGHT OFF THE BAT, OR HAVE SOLD THEIR HOME, BUT WANT TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN THE AREA AND STAY WHERE ALL THEIR FRIENDS ALREADY ARE.
IT'S THE DOWNSIZING BABY BOOMER.
IT'S THE YOUNG PROFESSIONAL THAT WANTS A CHANCE TO STAY IN THE AREA.
THERE ARE SINGLE INDIVIDUALS, PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT AREN'T SUPER KEEN TO GO OUT AND MOW THEIR LAWN EVERY DAY AND ARE VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL COMPANY THAT WILL DO IT, BUT HAVE THE ABILITY TO LIVE.
AND WHAT HAS THE LOOK AND FEEL OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? I KNEW OUR FAMILY, IT HAS SHOWN US.
THEY ARE COLOR COLLEGE EDUCATED AND THEY'RE HIGHER INCOME.
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT SECTION EIGHT HOUSING.
HOUSING IS FOLKS ALSO WERE SECURITY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM.
AGAIN, THIS IS A PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
IT'S GOT TREMENDOUS TECHNOLOGY THAT USES KEY FOBS THAT RECORDS WHO COMES IN AND WHO LEAVES.
IT HAS RING DOORBELL AND PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF CHANDLER POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE HAVE STRICT CREDIT AND BACKGROUND CHECKS AND WE HAVE MINIMUM 12 MONTH RENTAL TERMS. THERE'S NO AIRBNBS OR GINO RENTING THIS OUT FOR PARTIES.
BY THE WAY, WE WERE KIND OF CURIOUS.
SO WE TOOK A LOOK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AREA AND YOU LOOK BETWEEN 2017 AND 2020, I CAN APPRECIATE WHY PEOPLE ARE SENSITIVE TO RENTALS.
THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF HOMES OUT THERE THAT ARE BEING RENTED BY AIRBNB.
VRVO CRAIGSLIST, FACEBOOK, YOU NAME IT.
SO WE RECOGNIZE IT IS AN ISSUE, BUT IT IS NOT AN ISSUE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
THIS HAS 12 MONTH MINIMUM RATS.
SO FINALLY, WHY IS THIS THE RIGHT PLAN? WELL, IT'S THE RIGHT PLAN BECAUSE IT'S A SITE THAT HAS SAT VACANT, SAT VACANT
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FOR 30 YEARS, STILL VACANT AND IT'S NEW INVESTMENT AND NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SITE.IT'S HIGH QUALITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT FULFILLS AN UNMET NEED IN THIS MARKET.
IT PROVIDES DIVERSITY OF HOUSING THAT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED IN THE MASTER PLAN.
IT RIGHT, SIZES, THE COMMERCIAL IN THE AREA.
IT'S A GREAT TRANSITION BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE STORY, PRIVATE BACKYARDS, PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED, SECURE COMMUNITY.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA PLAN STAFF AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ARE ALL RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THAT.
I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE QUESTIONED FOR YOU OR CHRISTINE, UM, BUT KIND OF A ZONING PSEUDO ZONING MOTION.
WHERE'S THE NEXT NEAREST HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO THIS LOCATION? I CHRISTINE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD.
I THINK I HAVE A SLIDE, BUT BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND.
OUTSIDE OF THE, UM, WELL, OUTSIDE OF THE AIRBNB AND SHORT-TERM RENTAL STUFF, BUT YEAH, SO WHERE'S THE NEXT NEAREST APARTMENT COMPLEX, I GUESS IS MY SIMPLEST QUESTION.
I SHOWED ABOUT 3.8 MILES AWAY AS THE FLOW, AS THE CROW FLIES MEAN.
THERE'S ALSO ONE ON QUEEN CREEK AND IT'S TO THE EAST ON.
CHRISTINE, YOU CONCUR WITH THAT.
SO ABOUT THREE, THREE AND A HALF MILES AWAY.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE WITH THE RENTALS? I'M CONFIDENT SHE CAN.
YOU WANT, WE WENT THROUGH THE SLIDE REAL FAST AS WELL.
RENTALS IN THAT AREA, THEIR HOMES THAT ARE BEING RENTED OUT TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE TODAY, BUT BETWEEN 2017 AND 2020, THOSE WERE ALL RENTAL LISTINGS THAT WERE ON THE MARKET.
WHAT'S THE BLUE, WHAT'S THE RED HERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.
WHAT'S IT CALLED? I BELIEVE THE DIFFERENCE WAS ONES THAT WERE OPEN FOR RENT NOW OR WERE ALREADY RENTED.
AND THE ONES THAT ARE BLUE, THE ONES THAT ARE BLUE ARE OPEN TO BE RENTED.
THE ONES THAT ARE RED ARE ALREADY RENTED.
SO THERE'S A INTERESTING PROLIFERATION RENTALS IN THAT AREA.
MAYOR COUNCIL, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR WHEN DID WE GO MAYOR? I'M SORRY.
WHEN WE FIRST MET, I ASKED YOU ABOUT, UM, WHY NOT, UM, TOWNHOMES IN THIS AREA? WHY NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, HOME OWNERSHIP AREA, WHY NOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? AND I KNOW YOU HAD AN ANSWER AT THE TIME, BUT I WONDER IF YOU HAD ANOTHER ANSWER OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE, WHY NOT FOR SALE.
I MEAN, WHY NOT YET FOR PURCHASE WOULD MAKE, TURN THE RENTALS ANYWAY, BASED ON HIS CHART, BUT I MEAN, NOT JUST, YEAH.
THEY DO SEEM TO, UH, I THINK PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE SEE SUCH A NEED HERE IN THE AREA FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE BONDED, THE AREA THAT WANT TO STAY HERE AND TO BE, CAN'T MAKE THAT INITIAL PAYMENT TO BUY A HOME OR BUY A CONDO.
UM, AND SO THIS GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
AND AGAIN, WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT HYBRID PRODUCT BECAUSE IT HAS THAT LOOK AND FEEL IT DOESN'T ATTACH TO THEM, BUT IT IS STILL A HOME AND ALLOWS THEM NOT TO HAVE TO MAKE THAT VERY LARGE UPFRONT PAYMENT, BUT STILL BE ABLE TO ENJOY LIVING IN A HOME AND STAYING IN THE AREA.
AND ROUGHLY WHAT ARE THE MONTHLY RENTS ON THESE THINGS? YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S EVERYTHING FROM, I THINK ROUGHLY 1200 TO 1800 THEY'RE NODDING YET.
I'LL GIVE YOU, UH, A CHANCE TO, UM, WE COME AFTER THE GRI ADDRESS AFTER THE SPEAKER CARDS.
I FIND SPEAKER CARDS AND I'VE JUST, UM, PUT THEM IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER AND I WILL CALL YOUR NAME UP.
YOU WILL HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES ON THE DAYS.
THERE IS A SERIES OF LIGHTS, GREEN, YELLOW, RED.
UM, PLEASE KEEP YOUR REMARKS CONCISE, PLEASE DON'T REITERATE, OR JUST REPEAT WHAT SOMEONE
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ELSE HAS ALREADY SAID.WE'VE WE'VE GOTTEN THAT INPUT.
UH, SO FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE UP PEGGY BILSTON PLEASE AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD NAMED MARIN COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS PEGGY BILL STAIN, AND I LIVE AT 36, 15 EAST COUNTY DOWN DRIVE AND CHANDLER AND A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY OF SOLARA SOLARA.
UM, I WANT TO BEGIN JUST BY THANKING YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE HERE.
I WAS BLESSED TO SERVE, UH, PEOPLE IN DISTRICT THREE FOR THE CITY OF PHOENIX FOR 14 YEARS, AND SOMETIME AS VICE MAYOR.
AND, UH, I KNOW HOW CHALLENGING IT CAN BE.
I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT'S LIKE TO DO THIS DURING THE PANDEMIC.
AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I NEVER THOUGHT THAT I WOULD MOVE FROM THE CITY OF PHOENIX.
I LOVE THAT CITY AND GRANT GRANDCHILDREN JUST HAVE THIS EFFECT ON YOU THAT, UH, YOU'LL GO ANYWHERE.
SO WHEN OUR SON AND DAUGHTER-IN-LAW HAD GRANDCHILDREN HERE, WE MOVED TO CHANDLER WHAT A BEAUTIFUL CITY.
I JUST WANT TO REALLY CONGRATULATE Y'ALL.
UM, BUT AS WE, WE LIVE AS IN THE COMMUNITY, WE LIVE IN, IT IS REALLY SPECIAL, BUT THE PROPERTY THERE BY THE, BY THE WALGREENS, IT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR SOME TIMES, ALL KINDS OF SHENANIGANS, YOU KNOW, JUST THE DUMPSTERS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I REALLY WELCOME THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AFTER I LEFT THE CITY COUNCIL SOME YEARS AGO, UM, OUR DAUGHTER AND CINEMA, WHERE CARL CALLED TO PLANT A CHURCH IN CHATTANOOGA, TENNESSEE, AND MY HUSBAND AND I LEFT TO HELP THEM AS THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF ADOPTING A LITTLE GIRL FROM UGANDA.
AND THERE WAS NOTHING LIKE THIS THERE.
AND WE ENDED UP LIVING THERE FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS AS WE HELPED THEM WITH OUR OTHER FOUR GRANDCHILDREN THERE.
AND WE LOOKED AND WE LOOKED, AND THE ONLY THING THAT WAS OPEN TO US WAS TO RENT A HOUSE, FULL LAWN, ALL THE CARE.
I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW NICE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TO HAVE A PROPERTY, HAVE, HAVE AN OPTION, LIKE WHAT IS GOING TO BE DONE HERE.
I LOVE THE FACT THAT THEY TOOK SO MUCH INPUT AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT, WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, THE SECURITY.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S FOR REGULAR FOLKS, YOU KNOW, FOLKS WHO ARE LIKE MYSELF AND MY HUSBAND WHO RETIRED DIDN'T WANT THE UPKEEP OF A BIG HOUSE, THE LOVE, THE, THE PERSONAL COMMITMENT TO NOT ONLY SAFETY, BUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, THE DOG PART, JUST SO MANY THINGS INVOLVED.
I KNOW THAT YOU'VE HEARD SO MUCH, BUT I JUST WANT TO, UM, JUST SAY HOW SUPPORTIVE I AM OF THIS PROJECT.
AND I'M ALSO WANT TO WISH YOU ALL THE BEST AS YOU CONTINUE TO GOVERN DURING THIS CRAZY TIME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND THANK YOU FOR MY CHAMPAIGN TO CALL THE AREA OF GREATER CHANDLER NEXT STEP.
UH, UH, I'D LIKE TO INVITE CHRISTY BROWN AGAIN, UH, MS. BROWN, IF YOU CAN PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU WILL HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES.
I RESIDE AT THREE ZERO SEVEN NINE EAST HAZELTINE WAY AND SOLARA CHANDLER, ARIZONA, BUT EVENING.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR OPPORTUNITY GIVEN US TO SPEAK, UM, TOWARDS THIS.
UH, I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO KIND OF ADDRESS THE TIMELINE.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S FIRST SUBMISSION WAS IN FEBRUARY AND THEN IN AUGUST, UH, THEY HAD RESUBMITTED THREE TIMES AFTER THE INITIAL.
THEY MAILED, AS THEY SAID BEFORE, UM, TO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS AND OWNERS WITHIN 600 FEET OF THE PROJECT AND INVITED PEOPLE TO DO A ZOOM MEETING.
ONLY ONE RESPONSE TO THAT LETTER WAS RECEIVED AND ONLY FIVE PEOPLE ATTENDED THE ZOOM MEETING.
TWO MONTHS LATER ON NINE 21 AND 22, THE FIRST PUBLIC CITY MAILED NOTICES WERE SENT OUT TO THE SAME LIST.
IT CONSISTED OF 114 HOMEOWNERS, 38 RNS WITHIN THAT 600 FEET LIMIT.
THE MEETING WAS PUBLISHED ONCE IN A NEWSPAPER AND TWO PUBLIC NOTICE SIGNS WERE ERECTED.
OUR POINT IS THAT THE APPLICANT HAD FROM LATE 2019
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WHEN THEY SAID THEY STARTED PUBLIC OUTREACH OR SEVEN MONTHS FROM THEIR FIRST SUBMITTAL BEFORE ANY HINT OF THIS PROJECT REACHED THE GENERAL PUBLIC.WE, THE TAXPAYERS ON THE 21ST AND 22ND OF SEPTEMBER, WE, THE TAXPAYERS AND AFFECTED NEIGHBORS HAVE HAD A TOTAL OF 11 WEEKS UP TO TONIGHT TO TALK IT UP, TO LEARN ABOUT IT, TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON.
WE KIND OF FEEL LIKE THIS PROJECT SLIPPED IN UNDER THE DARK OF NIGHT DURING A PANDEMIC.
WHEN MANY OF US IN 55 PLUS COMMUNITIES, WHICH SOLARA IS HAVE HUNKERED DOWN AND DURING A TIME OF YEAR, THAT MANY OF THOSE PART, YOUR RESIDENTS AREN'T EVEN IN THE STATE.
UM, YOU TALK ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN FOR SPRINGFIELD LAKES.
AND A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THAT AND THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE IN ADDITION TO THE PROPERTY AT LINDSEY ON THE SOUTH WEST CORNER, THAT WAS REZONED FROM MULTIFAMILY TO SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, THE PARCEL ACROSS FROM IT WAS ORIGINALLY COMMERCIAL, AND IT WAS ALSO CONVERTED TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGES TO THAT MASTER PLAN.
WE DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD FIT.
UM, WE FEEL LIKE IT'S BEING DEVELOPED BECAUSE YES, IT'S STAYED EMPTY FOR MANY YEARS.
THE ORIGINAL DESIGN IN THAT MASTER PLAN CALLED FOR THAT PARCEL TO BE COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL, WE WOULD LIKE IT TO STAY THAT WAY BY DEVELOPING THE WALGREENS IN A BANK WITHOUT HAVING SOMEONE HALF TO DO THE REST OF THE PARCEL.
AND THEY KIND OF SAID, PLEASE FINISH UP, YOU SET IT UP FOR FAILURE.
CERTAINLY THAT'S OUR FAULT, BUT IT'S POOR PLANNING.
YOUR P AND Z MAP SHOWS 15 SITES THAT ARE VERY NEAR THIS.
AND THERE ARE 10 OF THEM THAT HAVE BEEN REZONED FROM SOMETHING ELSE TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
AND IT STICKS WITH YOUR C CAP PLAN.
AGAIN? YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UM, SARAH SARAH HAD TO LEAVE SHE'S IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT THAT SHE HAD TO LEAVE.
SARAH EMERSON IS IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPERTY.
I HAVE, UM, CAITLYN GOLDSCHMIDT.
IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, UM, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, CAITLIN GOALS VAGUE 28, 30 EASTERN REVERE PLACE.
CHANDLER EIGHT FIVE TWO FOUR NINE.
THAT'S MS. COOPER, COMMON SUBDIVISION.
SO I GREW UP IN THIS AREA, LIVED HERE SINCE ABOUT 2006.
SO I'VE SEEN THE GROWTH AND EXPANSION THAT THIS AREA OF CHANDLER, UM, HAS SEEN.
UM, I'VE GROWN TO LOVE THIS AREA.
HOWEVER, AS WE'VE HEARD THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS BEEN A DIRT LOT, EVER SINCE I CAN REMEMBER.
UM, MY DAD DROPPING ME OFF AT MIDDLE SCHOOL AT SANTANDER IN A HIGH SCHOOL, DROPPING ME OFF AT HIGH SCHOOL AT BASHA HIGH SCHOOL, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMUTING TO COLLEGE AND NOW COMMUTING TO WORK THAT PROPERTY HAS REMAINED A DIRT LOT.
UM, SO AS A YOUNG PROFESSIONAL, AS I MENTIONED, I LOVE THE AREA I'VE GROWN TO LOVE THE AREA, AND I'D LIKE TO STAY CLOSE TO MY PARENTS.
HOWEVER, THERE ISN'T AN OPTION FOR ME.
UM, AS SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO BUY A HOME HOME OWNERSHIP COMES WITH A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITIES, MAINTENANCE UPKEEP.
THERE'S A LOT OF FINANCIAL DEPENDS FINANCIAL DEMANDS, AND I'M NOT READY FOR THAT.
SO WHEN I SAW THAT THIS PROJECT WAS BEING PROPOSED, I WAS VERY EXCITED BECAUSE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM, SO I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS.
AND THE LAST OF OUR SPEAKER CARDS, UH, DEBBIE, PARDON ME IF I'M PRONOUNCING YOUR LAST NAME, WRONG KELL KALE.
AND AGAIN, YOU DEBBIE KALE, THREE ZERO SIX NINE EAST HAZEL, TEEN AND CHANDLER EIGHT FIVE TWO FOUR NINE.
THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
I AM AN OPPOSITION TO THIS REZONING IN THIS PROPOSED PROJECT.
AND AFTER SIX WEEKS, MY OPPOSITION IS AS MUCH ABOUT THE DECISION THAT OR THE PROCESS FOR THIS DECISION AS IT IS ABOUT THE DECISION ITSELF.
I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A JOB TO DO YOU HAVE TOUGH DECISIONS TO MAKE.
WE APPRECIATE THE 30 DAY CONTINUANCE THAT YOU GAVE US SO WE COULD GET MORE FEEDBACK FROM OUR NEIGHBORS, BUT
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AFTER ENGAGING IN THE DISCUSSION REGARDING THIS WHOLE PROCESS, IT SEEMS TO ME THERE WAS A BREAKDOWN IN THE METHODOLOGY.UM, THE MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS, THIS IS WHAT I'VE LEARNED IN THE LAST SIX WEEKS.
THE MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS AFFECTED BY THIS PROPOSAL HAVE LARGELY BEEN EXCLUDED FROM THE CONVERSATION.
MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN TO AN I LIVE IN SOLARA, HAS BEEN REFERRED TO IN VARIOUS DOCUMENTS AS FOLLOWS.
THE MASTER PLAN REFERS TO A ONE SQUARE MILE AREA.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AGENDA FROM OCTOBER 21ST REFERS TO US AS SOLERA, FORMERLY SPRINGFIELD LAKES.
AND THE FIRST PAGE OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL ONLY REFERS TO SOLAR OR TO SPRINGFIELD LAKES AND LONE TREE GOLF COURSE TO THE EAST.
IT DOES NOT MENTION THE 1,149 HOUSES AT SOLARA, WHICH SURROUND THE LAUNDRY GOLF COURSE.
SO THE IMPLICATION IS THAT SOLERA WAS NOT PART OF THE CONVERSATION IN THE OUTREACH AND NOTIFICATION EFFORTS.
THE LIST USED TO SEND THE NOTIFICATIONS ANNOUNCING THESE PROPOSED CHANGES IS VERY INACCURATE.
THE SOLERA HOA MANAGEMENT COMPANY WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS PROCESS.
THE NOTIFICATION LETTERS FOR SOLARA WERE MAILED TO THE SPRINGFIELD LAKES, PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.
EVEN IF THAT NOTIFICATION WENT TO OUR MANAGEMENT OFFICE, IT PROBABLY WAS IGNORED, OR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD'VE DONE WITH IT, BUT IT WAS MISADDRESSED.
UM, SOLERA BECAME A STANDALONE INDEPENDENT HOA SOMEWHERE IN THE 2004, 2005 TIMEFRAME.
THE MARICOPA COUNTY WEBSITE FOR THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE SHOWS IT AS THE SOLERA CHANDLER HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, BUT FIVE OF THE SEVEN NOTIFICATIONS THAT WERE SENT TO SOLERA RESIDENTS, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS COULDN'T VERIFY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANY OF THE PEOPLE.
UM, SO I, I BELIEVE THAT THE PROCESS IS HIGHLY INACCURATE AND I WOULD SURMISE THAT WOULD APPLY TO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL.
UM, I THINK SOMEBODY SHOULD BE IN CHARGE OF MAKING SURE THAT INFORMATION IS ACCURATE FEEDBACK FROM THE PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SURROUNDING AREA REPEATEDLY STATED THAT WE DO NOT BELIEVE WE ARE BEING HEARD IN OUR OWN INFORMAL OUTREACH.
THAT STARTED OCTOBER 21ST, WE OBTAINED 103 IN-PERSON SIGNATURES AND OVER 1500 SIGNATURES IN AN ONLINE PETITION THAT HAD OPPOSED THIS DECISION.
AND THE BIGGEST CONCERNS WERE THAT APARTMENTS REPRESENT TRANSIENT.
THERE'S A CONCERN OVER THE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON PROPERTY VALUE AND THE CONCERN FOR THE APPEARANCE DISREGARD OF WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY AS PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE ARE NO TRAFFIC ISSUES.
THERE ARE GOING TO BE HUGE TRAFFIC ISSUES WITH PEOPLE GOING ACROSS GILBERT ROAD TO GET INTO ALBERTSONS WITHOUT GOING TO THE LIGHT OR ACROSS RIGS TO GET INTO MCDONALD'S.
WITHOUT GOING TO THE LIGHT, PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED AT NOT BEING HEARD.
THE SILK STOCKING NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ALLOWED TO KEEP THEIR MULTIFAMILY UNITS OUT OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVERY, EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD GET TO MAKE THAT DECISION FOR THEMSELVES.
AND I GAVE ONE MORE COMMON CARD, APPARENTLY SOMEONE AT, AT FILLED OUT, UH, THE INCORRECT CARD, UH, BUT THEY HAD WANTED TO SPEAK.
AND THAT IS, UM, URSULA JOHNSON.
AGAIN, IF YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, THANK YOU.
I THOUGHT I FILLED OUT THE RIGHT CARD.
UM, MY NAME IS URSULA JOHNSTON.
MY ADDRESS IS TWO, TWO 65 EAST LA COSTA PLACE AND CHANDLER EIGHT FIVE TWO FOUR NINE.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO DISCLOSE THAT I AM A COOPER COMMONS BOARD MEMBER, UM, AND THAT THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT WAS PRESENTED DIDN'T HAPPEN.
I MEAN, I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS SITUATION AND I'M IN THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY, UM, JUST BY ACCIDENT ON NEXT DOOR.
SO, UM, I, I REALLY WISH SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE KNOCKED AT MY DOOR ONE TIME BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE I'M, WE'RE A PROACTIVE COMMUNITY AND, UH, PROACTIVE RESIDENTS.
SO I'M AN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT, MAINLY BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DENSE POPULATION.
UM, IF YOU'VE RUN THE NUMBERS AND IF YOU HAVE COMMON SENSE, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS NOT GOING TO FIT WITH THE AESTHETICS OF OUR COMMUNITY AS IT IS.
SO I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT IT'S A DIRT LOT AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE A DIRT LOT ANYMORE.
BUT, UM, TO PACK PEOPLE IN THIS WAS NOTHING BETTER, NOTHING MORE THAN A PROPOSED MOBILE HOME UNIT.
YOU CAN LOOK FROM THE DESIGN ITSELF, WHERE ARE THE PARKING, WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARK.
THERE ARE LIKE NO PARKING SPOTS.
SO 108 UNITS, YOU GOT TO THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 108 VEHICLES THAT ARE GONNA PARK.
WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK? IF THEY CAN'T FIND PARKING SPOTS THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE A PROBLEM IN THE NEIGHBORING AREAS.
AND SO ANYWAY, I JUST, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE WORDS LIKE STUARTSHIP AND RELATIONSHIP WITH RESIDENTS COMES TO MIND.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT OF YOU GUYS.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAST, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WALGREENS, THE WALGREENS THAT IS CLOSED, IT'S BEEN CLOSED FOR HOW MANY YEARS NOW AT THE OTHER CORNER OF RIGS AND MCQUEEN.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT WAS MISSED IN THE PLANNING
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THAT WE HAVE OVERBUILT, UM, AND NOT BUILD PROPERLY.SO I W I ASKED YOU, I SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL.
UM, I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE TABLE THIS FOR NOW.
THERE'S A LOT OF EMOTIONS AROUND IT RIGHT NOW.
THERE IS A LOT OF DISTRUST, UM, AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO US CITIZENS WHO WE, IT HAS.
I'VE, I'VE BEEN FEELING LATE ABOUT THIS EVER SINCE I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, BECAUSE I WOULD'VE STEPPED IN AND LET'S COME TOGETHER AND LET'S FIND A SOLUTION FOR THIS, THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.
SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE TABLE AMY'S DECISIONS AT THIS POINT, DON'T ACCEPT THIS IDEA.
IT'S NOT RIGHT FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND LET'S COME TOGETHER, PUT TOGETHER A TASK FORCE.
UM, AND, AND, AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE A WIN-WIN FOR ALL OF US AND NOT JUST A WIN FOR THE BUILDER, BECAUSE THIS IS A WIN FOR NO ONE, BUT THE BUILDER.
UM, MS. FIDEL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED BY THEM, OR THEN WE'LL HAVE SOME DIALOGUE ON COUNCIL? CERTAINLY.
UM, I JUST, I HOPE THAT THIS COUNCIL KNOWS THAT WE REALLY HAVE TAKEN THE OUTREACH HERE VERY SERIOUSLY.
UM, IN FACT, MS. JOHNSON HERSELF WAS KIND ENOUGH TO FOLLOW US ON NEXT DOOR TO RECOMMEND A MONTH AGO THAT EVERYBODY COME TO THE VIRTUAL NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
SO THE WORD HAS CERTAINLY BEEN OUT AND WE HAVE BEEN ENDEAVORING VERY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING WITH ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS.
SO WITH THAT, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
LET ME START WITH THE QUESTION THEN WE'LL WORK DOWN.
UM, MS. ANDREWS HAD MISSED URSULA JOHNSON.
IT HAD BROUGHT UP A PARKING QUESTION.
WHAT IS, UH, WHAT'S THE PARKING CAPACITY WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
ACTUALLY, WE'RE EXCEEDING THE CITY REQUIREMENTS.
I BELIEVE IT'S 196 SPACES REQUIRED WERE 197, SO WE'RE, UM, MORE THAN PROFITABLY PARKED.
SO THAT'S ABOUT 1.8 ISH, I GUESS, PER HOUSE.
I ACTUALLY ANSWERED MY QUESTION ALREADY, BUT I, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHOW US WHERE WE ARE? THE REST OF THEM ARE GOING TO POP YOU SAY YOU HAVE MORE POPULAR SPACE REQUIRED.
SO WHERE IS IT? GIVE ME JUST A MOMENT, COUNCILMAN, I'M GOING TO GET BACK TO MY PRESENTATION.
PROBABLY THE EASIEST GRAPHIC TO SEE IT.
SO, UM, WHEN YOU SEE HERE, THERE IS A MIX OF BOTH GARAGES COVERS IS OUTDOOR PARKING AS WELL.
THAT KIND OF LINES, EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN THE GRAY.
SO YOU SEE THE COVERED PARKING WHERE IT'S CALLED OUT AS WELL AS THE OPEN PARKING.
THIS IS WHAT MAKES UP THE PARKING FOR THE COMMUNITY.
YOU MENTIONED GARAGE PARKING, WHICH ONES OR GARAGES DOES IT DESIGNATE OR DOES EVERY UNIT HAVE A GARAGE? I'M SORRY.
UH, SO UNITS HAVE GARAGES AS WELL, AND THEN THEY CAN TAKE DOWN ADDITIONAL SPACES DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS OR THE SIZE OF THE UNITS.
SO YOU SEE THE GARAGE THROUGH HERE.
SO YOU ARE SAYING EACH UNIT HAVE THEIR OWN PARKING AND ALSO THEY HAVE OUTDOOR PARKING TOO.
UH, WHAT YOU MIGHT SHOW ME IN THE PICTURE, IN THE DESIGN.
YOU HAVE PARKING HERE AND ALL THE WAY ALONG HERE, PARKING ALL THE WAY ALONG HERE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, GARAGE? I MEAN, INDOOR PARKING, WE HAVE GARAGE PARKING.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK DOWN HERE, YOU SEE THAT THESE ARE GARAGES.
SO IT'S NOT JUST, THEY'RE NOT ATTACHED, PERHAPS CONFUSION.
YEAH, JUST FINAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPER COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT FEARS ABOUT FOUR CORNERS BEING ON RETAIL, LIKE WHO KNEW 15 YEARS AGO, PRE AMAZON, WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN? THE RETAIL APOCALYPSE THAT'S COMING ON RIGHT NOW, PERFECT CASE IN POINT.
UM, WHENEVER THIS IS ADDRESSED TO A COUNCIL IS WALGREEN'S CLOSED.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE IS HIGH DOLLAR HOMES AROUND THAT AREA, THEN THAT THERE'S A WALGREENS, EVERY OTHER CORNER THAT CAN'T SUPPORT THAT WALGREENS, UH, WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT A COMMERCIAL IS NOT THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT A HIGH DENSITY IS EITHER, UH, THIS IS, UH,
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THAT I HEAR FROM STAFF THAT THIS IS A MEDIUM OR LOW LOAD.THAT WHAT WAS THE DENSITY ON THIS 12 TO THE ACRE.
AND WHAT'S THAT NEIGHBORHOOD JUST RIGHT AROUND THERE.
WHAT IS THE DENSITY FOR THAT WE RE DO REMEMBER? SO THREE OVERALL WHEN YOU PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, YOU'RE AT THE THREE.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE PARKS AND THE GOLF COURSE.
SO, UM, TWO THINGS THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT, THAT I'M INTERESTED IN, UM, I THINK THAT, UM, WE'RE REOCCURRING AND THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT TIME FOR THIS.
SO I'M GOING TO GET OUT ANYWAY THAT WERE RECURRING HEARING THESE THEMES OF NOTIFICATION BEING LACKS, AS IT RELATES TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND.
I KNOW WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE, BUT MAYBE IN THIS CHANGE TO A, UM, MORE OF AN ELECTRONIC FORMAT OF, AND THIS ISN'T MAYBE NECESSARILY FOR YOU, BUT FOR STAFF THAT WE NEEDED TO TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO WHAT OUR NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
I KNOW WE RIGHT NOW DO DOUBLE THE, UH, STATE REQUIRED NOTIFICATION, WHICH IS PHENOMENAL, BUT I THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO MAYBE DO A STUDY INTERNALLY AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT LITTLE BIT BETTER.
CITY MANAGER, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER, STIR, AND COUNCIL RECENTLY APPROVED SOME CODE CHANGES THAT ACTUALLY INCLUDED REQUIREMENTS FOR SOCIAL MEDIA AND SUCH.
IT WAS PROBABLY AFTER THIS PROJECT WAS ALREADY UNDERWAY, BUT THAT IS ALREADY BEEN CODAFIDE BY COUNCIL FOR PROJECTS GOING FORWARD.
WELL, THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER, AND IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT, IT MISSED THIS ONE.
UM, WHEN THE, I AGREE WITH, UM, THE RESIDENT, AS IT RELATES TO, UM, AESTHETICS, THIS IS THE SOUTHEAST AREA CHANDLER, UH, PLAN.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY HAVE GRAND ENTRANCES.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO? AND MAYBE YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF AND STIPULATE SOMETHING FOR THE NEXT MEETING THAT REALLY BEAUTIFIES THAT ENTRYWAY, UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE SETBACKS ARE BEAUTIFUL AND IT FITS WITHIN THE, THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
UH, YES, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.
THAT CERTAINLY THE INTENT HERE IS TO HAVE A GRAND ENTRANCE THAT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF THE QUALITY IN THE AREA.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.
AND DEREK AND DEREK, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET UP, BUT CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS? YES.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THE EMAIL AND THE FOLLOW-UP ON THAT.
WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE BEFORE, HOPEFULLY BEFORE THURSDAY, IF WE HAVE THIS MOVES FORWARD.
WHEN DO YOU WANT ONE QUICK QUESTION? SO, UH, 12 UNITS PER ACRE ARE THE AVERAGE LOT ABOUT THREE TO 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, SO MAYOR COME OUT A COUNCIL MEMBER AT MCCOMBS, KEEP IN MIND.
THEY'RE NOT LOTS BECAUSE IT'S RENTAL PRODUCT, SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY PLANTED.
SO IT'S REALLY JUST ONE LOT, BUT DON'T, THEY HAVE BACKYARDS THAT ARE SEPARATED.
THEY DO, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T ACTUALLY PLAT THEM OR A LOT THEM.
I'D HAVE TO LOOK TO MY TEAM TO SAY, IF WE'VE LOOKED AT THE UNITS, INCLUDING THE BACKYARDS, WHAT THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS, AND THE UNITS THEMSELVES CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM 800 TO 1800.
AND THEN YOU ADD THE BACKYARD.
YOU'LL PROBABLY BALLPARK 3000 OH C 43, FIVE 60, VIOLATE 12 IS 36 30.
SO I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU BREAK IT UP, BUT I UNDERSTAND, OKAY.
WE'RE ON THE SAME POINTS TO AVOID ALL MATH, BUT I'LL THANK YOU, HUMAN CALCULATOR.
COUNSEL, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FOR WENDY RIDELL? ALL RIGHT.
JUST ONE FINAL COMMENT FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE ON BEHALF OF THIS PROJECT.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE AGAINST THE PROJECT, UH, I COMMEND YOU FOLKS.
I MEAN, IT IS, UH, YOU'RE TAKING TIME OUT OF YOUR LIVES TO COME DOWN HERE AND TRY AND MAKE SURE CHANNEL CONTINUES TO BE A GREAT COMMUNITY.
IT IS, UH, AND IT IS DEEP WITHIN THE THOUGHT OF OUR, UH, THE DEVELOPERS, HOPEFULLY, AND CERTAINLY WITHIN THIS COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET PROJECTS THAT KEEP CHANDLER, UH, THE GREAT CITY THAT IT IS.
SO, UM, WHILE I DO SUPPORT THE PROJECT, I COMMEND YOU ALL.
I I'VE SEEN SO MANY BECAUSE I'M RETIRED MESA POLICE SERGEANT.
I SPENT MY TIME AT APARTMENTS AND I, I KNOW PEOPLE'S CONCERN ABOUT THEM, BUT WHEN I THINK ABOUT MULTIFAMILY AND, AND THIS PROJECT, IT'S ONE THAT I REALLY FEEL IS ONE OF THE BETTER PROJECTS THAT I'VE SEEN OR CHANDLER.
MA'AM SO, UM, MY STATEMENT ALSO, UH, I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT COUNSELOR ROWE SAID, WHETHER YOU'RE FOR IT OR AGAINST IT, YOU KNOW, COMING OUT AND DOING YOUR CIVIC DUTY
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AND LETTING US KNOW WHERE YOU STAND.UM, WE ALWAYS ENJOY THAT WHEN YOU ALWAYS WANT TO LISTEN TO HER FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS.
AND, AND WE DO HEAR YOU AGAIN, NO MATTER WHERE THIS MAY FALL OR WHERE WE VOTE, UH, EVERYONE UP ON THIS DICE, UH, HOLDS EVERYTHING YOU SAY, UH, TO HEART.
AND WE DO LISTEN AND, UH, UH, UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES WE MAY DISAGREE.
AND SOMETIMES WE AGREE, UH, FOR ME, THIS PROJECT, UH, CAME IN WITH A COUPLE OF STRIKES AGAINST IT.
UM, A LOT OF MULTI-FAMILY COMING IN AND, UH, SOUTH OF THE TWO TO TWO TO ME IS, UH, NOT, UH, VERY POPULAR, NOT JUST FOR OUR CONDITIONERS, BUT WITH ME, UH, AND ALSO, UH, CHANGING ZONING FROM EMPLOYMENT AND AWAY FROM EMPLOYMENT INTO RESIDENTIAL.
UM, BUT EVERY CASE MUST BE LOOKED AT CASE BY CASE.
UH, SO WITH THAT, I LOOKED AT OTHER, AS I ASKED, I KIND OF DROVE AROUND, I DO LIVE CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALSO, THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER, UH, APARTMENTS AND MULTI-FAMILY AROUND THIS LOCATION.
YOU LOOK AT THE DIVERSITY THAT IS THAT WE ALL ASK ABOUT AND AFFORDABILITY, UM, AS WAS TALKED ABOUT ONE OF THE PRESENTERS, UH, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF HOUSES, VERY NICE HOUSES, AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DIVERSITY IN HOUSING IN THIS AREA.
UH, IT'S A VERY NICE PROJECT BEING GATED, UM, LOOKING AT THE OTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENTS AROUND IT AGAIN WITH THE ASSISTED LIVING IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THIS ALSO PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT OF OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO THEM.
SO IT, IT, IT WAS, I WAS ON THE VENTS FOR VERY LONG ON THIS PROJECT, BUT IN THE END TO ME, THIS IS WHAT IS INTENDED WHEN WE LOOK AT FOR DIVERSITY OF HOUSING, DIVERSITY WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, AND ALSO, UM, A PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO MEET.
AND, UH, THE DEVELOPER I HANDED REALLY POSITIVELY TO THE DEVELOPER AND ARCHITECT IN BEING FLEXIBLE AND TALKING AND LISTENING TO THE CITIZENRY AND MAKING SOME CHANGES, UH, THE OUTREACH YOU DID, UH, AND SOCIAL MEDIA AND KUDOS.
AGAIN, IT'S A MODEL THAT WE, UH, OPENED AS AGAIN, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT COUNSELORS SUICIDE, UH, TO MAKE SURE OTHER DEVELOPERS DO SOMETHING SIMILAR, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TRY TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED AND, UH, AND THE ADVISEMENT AGAIN, OVERALL BETTER PRODUCT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ADJUST IT TO WHAT THE CONSTITUENTS HAVE TO SAY.
SO FOR THAT REASON, I WILL BE MOVING FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE INTRODUCTION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER FOUR NINE FOUR FOUR, PLH TWO ZERO DASH ZERO ZERO ONE TWO VILLAGES AT CHANDLER REZONING OF MOVE FOR THE COUNCIL, THE CITY COUNCIL INTRODUCE, AND THREE, THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
IS THERE A SECOND? WHAT'S THAT GOOD? THANK YOU.
THERE'S LOTS OF MEMBERS STUART.
HOWEVER, I'D LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADD A STIPULATION WITH STAFF TO IMPROVE THE AESTHETICS OF THE ENTRANCE WAYS ON BOTH RIGS ROAD AND ON, UM, GILBERT ROAD, UM, FOR, UH, WORKING WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, UH, THE DEVELOPER, UH, MOTION MAKER.
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? I ACCEPT THAT A MINUTE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND PANEL COUNSEL, FINAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE.
YEAH, I I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING A LOT OF THE EMAIL TRAILS AND I'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH BOTH THE, UM, APPLICANTS THAT I MET WITH ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS.
UM, I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF IT, OR THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT IT'S IN MY MIND, MORE OF THE SAME, JUST DIFFERENT LOCATION, DIFFERENT ELEVATION, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO THE HEART OF WHAT WE'RE FACING IN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY IS WORK FOR HOUSING.
AND, UM, I DO, I DO NOT WANT TO REZONE THIS.
SO I'M GOING TO BE CONSISTENT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.
WE'VE HAD OTHER PROJECTS THAT I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, CONSOLE, CLIMATE? UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT, UH, WHEN LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT, I DO WANT TO ECHO VICE MAYOR, UH, RENEE LOPEZ AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RO, AS FAR AS, UH, DITTO IN THE SENTIMENT OF OPPOSITION AND SUPPORT OF COMING OUT ON THESE CASE BY CASE AS WE APPROACHED BUILD-OUT, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S DIRT.
THAT'S BEEN DIRT SINCE THE DAWN OF DINOSAURS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS ON AND NOT ALL THE DECISIONS ARE GOING TO BE EASY.
I PERSONALLY LIVE IN THIS AREA.
I'M LIVING IN THIS AREA ALMOST 18 YEARS WHEN MY HOUSE IS BEING BUILT ALBERTSON'S IS BEING BUILT AND I HAD DIFFERENT DREAMS AND ASPIRATIONS AND HOW THE REST OF THE CORNER WOULD BE BUILT OUT.
UM, I DREAMED FOR BETTER THAN MCDONALD'S, WHICH IS COMING, UM, OR THE STORAGE UNIT, BUT I DIGRESS, UH, LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT.
UH, IT, IT DOES MAKE SENSE FOR WHERE RETAIL'S HEADED AND THE TRADE AREA.
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THAT'S VERY LIMITED IN OUR AREA.THE WRITING'S ON THE WALL ON HOW LONG IT'S BEEN OUT THERE.
AND THIS, THIS IS A NICE PROJECT.
A LOT OF THE JASON COMMUNITIES ARE NOT EVEN GATED.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I ASKED HOW MANY, WHAT WAS APPROXIMATE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH LOT, UM, JUST KIND OF NOTING WHAT, WHAT YOU WERE PRESENTING.
UM, URSULA WAS, UM, IN SUNROOF.
I MEAN, SORRY, IN, UH, COOPER COMMONS, THERE'S SOME CLUSTER HOUSING WHERE THOSE LOTS ARE 3,500 TO 4,000 ISH AND THEY'RE THERE IN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY.
AND SO, UM, THIS ALSO PRESENTS A SIMILAR TYPE HOUSING PRODUCT.
AND, AND AGAIN, I DID MY OWN RESEARCH IN THE LAST YEAR.
THERE'S BEEN A HUNDRED HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN RENTED IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
AND SO RENTALS ARE NOT THE END ALL TO, TO, UH, THE AREA.
AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT.
SAY NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES MY MAJORITY WITH COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO DISSENTING.
THANK YOU ALL WHO CAME OUT FOR THIS ITEM AND OTHERS ON OUR REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING WITH THIS, THIS CONCLUDES OUR MEETING.