* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [ Call to Order] [00:00:04] GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE MAY 20 STUDY SESSION. CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL US TO, UH, I'D LIKE TO CALL US TO ORDER CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE? MAYOR HARTKE, PRESENT VICE MAYOR HARRIS. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ENCINAS. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER POSTY HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. VERY GOOD FOR SCHEDULED PUBLIC APPEARANCES. WE HAVE THE PEOPLE OF PARAGON AND HAMILTON IS IN THE HOUSE, SO THAT'LL BE SOME FUN PRESENTATIONS. VICE MAYOR, PLEASE JOIN ME FRONT. [1. Recognition: Science Olympiad Team - Paragon Science Academy] ALL RIGHT, FOR OUR FIRST RECOGNITION, THE SCIENCE OLYMPIAN TEAM FROM PARAGON SCIENCE ACADEMY, IF WE COULD HAVE THE OLYMPIA TEAM COME ON UP. SO TONIGHT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CELEBRATE SOME MORE EXCITING ACHIEVEMENTS OF OUR CHANDLER STUDENTS. FIRST UP, WE HAVE LISTENED TO THOSE MEDALS. MAN, THERE'S SOME SERIOUS BLING COMING UP HERE. SO, FIRST UP, THE SCIENCE OLYMPIAN TEAM FROM PARAGON SCIENCE ACADEMY, WHO RECENTLY PLACED FIRST AT THE 2024 ARIZONA SCIENCE OLYMPIA STATE CHAMPIONSHIP THROUGH OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE, HAS EARNED THEM THE HONOR OF REPRESENTING ARIZONA AT THE NATIONALS IN LANSING, MICHIGAN, ON MAY 24TH AND 25TH. SO, COMING UP VERY SOON, WE WANNA CONGRATULATE COACH MS. OLO, THE STUDENTS AND THEIR MENTORS ON THIS INCREDIBLE ACHIEVEMENT. WE'RE PROUD OF YOU AND WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK AT NATIONALS. SO LET'S GET A PHOTO. OH, IT'S, THANK YOU SO MUCH. CONGRATULATIONS, ALL GOLD MEDAL. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, SCIENCE TEAM. LET'S GIVE HIM ANOTHER ROUND OF APPLAUSE. [2. Recognition: Czaryna Lingat - Paragon Science Academy] AND SECONDLY, ALSO FROM PARAGON SCIENCE ACADEMY IF, UH, ZAINA LINGO CAN COME ON UP. ZAINA, NO. ZAINA. OH, ZENA'S NOT HERE. THAT'S OKAY. SO WHO IS ZAINA ? TWO WEEKS AGO, MYSELF AND A COUPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS GOT TO GO TO, UH, JOIN ZAINA AT AN EVENT WHERE SHE WAS RECOGNIZED FOR RECEIVING HONORABLE MENTION IN THE CSPAN STUDENT CAM DOCUMENTARY COMPETITION. THIS IS CSP SPAN'S 20TH YEAR OF THE COMPETITION, WHICH GIVES STUDENTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES ON TOPICS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO US. HERB FILM WAS ON AI, THE RISE OF AI, INTERSECTION OF TECHNOLOGY AND HUMANITY. UH, THE TERMINATOR DID NOT SHOW UP, NO . AND, UH, THIS WAS SELECTED FROM AMONGST THE 1600 SUBMISSIONS. WE WERE IN AWE OF HER WORK. IT WAS INSPIRING AND IMPRESSIVE, AND WE WANNA CONGRATULATE ZAINA ON THIS DESERVED HONOR, AND PLEASE EXTEND OUR CONGRATULATIONS TO HER AND WE'RE PROUD THAT SHE'S PART OF TEAM CHANDLER. SO, THANK YOU, ZAINA. NEXT [3. Recognition: We the People Academic Competition - Hamilton High School] WE HAVE RECOGNITION FOR, WE THE PEOPLE ACADEMIC COMPETITION FROM HAMILTON HIGH SCHOOL. SO, CAN WE CALL UP HAMILTON HIGH? WE THE PEOPLE GROUP? COME ON DOWN. COME ON DOWN. PARAGON, THEY'VE GOT A TROPHY TOO. . SO WE, THE PEOPLE PROGRAM WORKS TO PROMOTE A GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY, ITS INSTITUTIONS AND [00:05:01] ITS FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES AND VALUES. AS OUR STATE RUNNER UP, HAMILTON HIGH SCHOOL WENT TO REPRESENT ARIZONA AT THE WE THE PEOPLE NATIONALS FINALS IN LEESBURG, VIRGINIA, APRIL 13TH THROUGH 15TH AS A WILD CARD TEAM, AND PLACED 23RD IN THE NATION. IT'S EXCITING TO SEE OUR YOUNG PEOPLE IN ENGAGING IN CIVIC EDUCATION, CONSTRUCTIVE DIALOGUE, AND WORKING TO BETTER UNDERSTAND OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESSES. AS ALWAYS, CHANDLER CONTINUES TO LEAD THE PACK. THAT'S NO REFERENCE TO THE WOLF PACK, IT'S TO TEAM PACK OF CHANDLER'S. CONGRATULATIONS, HAMILTON. RIGHT. LET'S, LET'S, UH, ASSEMBLE US FOR A PHOTO. MAKE TWO ROWS, MAKE TWO ROW. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA SLIDE THE MIRROR IN THE MIDDLE, YOU GUYS. WHOA. IT'S LIKE THE PARTING OF THE WATER. YES. MAKE SURE YOU CAN SEE ME SO I CAN SEE YOU. THANK, THANK YOU, HAMILTON. HI. CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS. ALRIGHT. OH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WOO. VERY NICE. I THINK SEVERAL OF US HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE WE, THE PEOPLE IN THE PAST. I, HOW MANY OF YOU COUNSEL? HAVE YOU BEEN INVOLVED WITH US? YEAH. ALL ALL ON MY LEFT. ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, [15. Introduction of Ordinance No. 5098 Granting a Non-Exclusive Underground High Voltage Power Easement to Salt River Project Agricultural Improvement and Power District (SRP) to Accommodate the Installation of Electric Vehicle Charging Stations on the Amazon Site at 3405 S. McQueen Road, Chandler, Arizona Move City Council introduce and tentatively adopt Ordinance No. 5098 granting a Non-Exclusive Underground High Voltage Power Easement to SRP, in consideration for the payment of $18,500.00 to accommodate the installation of electric vehicle charging stations on the Amazon site at 3405 S. McQueen Road, Chandler, Arizona. Council Focus Area(s):] UH, COUNSEL, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS CALLED IN, UM, ITEMS NUMBER 15, ITEMS NUMBER ITEM NUMBER 19. BOTH HAS TO DO WITH CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IF JOHN KNUTSON CAN COME UP. COUNCIL MEMBER ORLANDO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I, SO JOHN, UH, BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED, YOU SAID TO ME THIS IS, UM, THE AMMAS, THE SRP EASEMENT. I'M NOT SO WORRIED ABOUT THE EASEMENT. I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IF THERE'S ANY TRAFFIC DELAYS AND THAT THE TR THE TRUCKS NEED TO BE REROUTED AND OBVIOUSLY OUT OUTSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE'RE, WE'RE ASSURE THAT THIS IS OKAY WITH THAT ISSUE. YES. ON, UM, ITEM 16, ITEM 15, I BELIEVE THE EASEMENT RELATED TO THE SRP, UM, WORK NECESSARY TO BRING IN POWER, ADDITIONAL POWER ONTO THE AMAZON PROPERTY. UM, I'VE GOT A IMAGE HERE ON ELMO, UH, THAT SHOWS THE MAP, UH, FOR THE, YES. OKAY. SO WHAT THEY'LL BE DOING, UM, IS SRP HAS A CONTRACT WITH AMAZON TO RUN ADDITIONAL CABLING INTO THEIR FACILITY TO POWER UP, UH, ADDITIONAL CAR CHARGING OR, OR TRUCK CHARGING STATIONS. UM, IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CONDUIT IS CURRENTLY IN THE GROUND. SO THE HARD PART'S DONE. SO THE BLACK, UM, UH, UH, ROUTING THAT YOU SEE THERE IS EASEMENT OVER THE EXISTING CONDUIT. UM, SO SRP WILL COME IN AND IT'S NECESSARY FOR THEM TO, UH, RUN CABLE RUN CABLING THROUGH THESE CONDUITS, WHICH IS MINIMALLY EVASIVE. YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE SHUTTING DOWN ANY ROADS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. THERE ARE A COUPLE EXCAVATIONS THAT ARE NECESSARY ONE UP, UM, BY QUEEN CREEK ROAD. WE UNDERSTAND TO TIE THAT CABLING INTO THE EXISTING CABINETS. SO THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF DISRUPTION THERE. AND THEN POTENTIALLY AT SOME OF THOSE RIGHT ANGLE CORNERS, THERE MIGHT NEED TO BE SOME EXCAVATION, SMALL EXCAVATIONS NECESSARY. UH, IT IS NOT ON A MAJOR ARTERIAL, IT'S ON ESSENTIALLY THAT PARK ROAD THAT EXITS OUTTA THE AMAZON, UH, FACILITY. SO I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE ANY REROUTING OF TRAFFIC OF ANY, OF, ANY NATURE OF ANY OKAY. LARGE SIZE. SO, GREAT. THAT'S, THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROJECT. UH, THEY ARE TO ENERGIZE BY OCTOBER 4TH, SO IT'LL BE OCCURRING DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS. UH, SO ANYTIME FROM JULY UNTIL OCTOBER, THEY'LL BE OUT THERE DOING THEIR WORK. OKAY, GREAT. I JUST DON'T, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH GOING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. YEP. MAKE SURE WE'RE GOOD ON THAT. SO, OKAY, GREAT. [00:10:01] THANKS. APPRECIATE IT. [19. Construction Manager at Risk Construction Services Agreement No. WW2302.401, with B&F Contracting, Inc., for the Price Road 66-Inch Sewer Interceptor Rehabilitation Move City Council award CMAR Construction Services Agreement No. WW2302.401 to B&F Contracting, Inc., for the Price Road 66-Inch Sewer Interceptor Rehabilitation, in an amount not to exceed $43,696,207.25. Council Focus Area(s):] AND NUMBER 19, UM, THIS ISN'T A LITTLE SIDE ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. NO, IT'S NOT. SO, UH, THE ITEM 19, THAT'S BEFORE YOU, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, THIS WEEK IS, UH, I'LL SAY A, A LONG ANTICIPATED PROJECT. UM, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT FOR 20 YEARS. UH, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT JOKING , WHEN I WHEN I SAY THAT I'M, I, I HAD WISHED IN MY HEART THAT I WOULD BE RETIRED BY THIS PROJECT BY THE TIME THIS PROJECT CAME. BUT, UM, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. UM, SO, UH, IT IS GONNA BE A DIFFICULT PROJECT. UM, THE, THE WORK WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE'RE DOING A LINER, AN IN-SITU LINER IN THE LARGEST PIPE IN, NO, THIS IS, LET'S PUT THE PERSPECTIVE. THIS IS PRICE ROAD, PRICE ROAD CORRIDOR FROM THE 2 0 2, 2 0 2 SOUTH TO QUEEN CREEK ROAD. RIGHT. UM, IT IS, IT'S THE, IT IS THE LARGEST PIPE IN THE CITY, 66 INCH, AND IT'S A WASTEWATER LINE THAT CARRIES UP TO 15 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. ABOUT HALF OF THE CITY'S WASTEWATER TRAVELS THROUGH THIS ONE PIPE. HMM. SO IN ORDER TO DO THIS LINER, AND THIS, THIS PIPE WAS INSTALLED IN THE LATE EIGHTIES, I BELIEVE. SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN THERE. WE'VE BEEN WATCHING IT FOR A LONG TIME. UH, ASSESSING IT, CAMERAS, ALL THAT SORT OF THING. UM, AND IT'S TIME. UH, THE DRIVER ON THE SCHEDULE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS IN 2027. WE HAVE A WASTEWATER FACILITY LEASE THAT EXPIRES ON OUR FACILITY THAT IS OUT ON THE LONE BUTTE, UH, ON THE HEALER RESERVATION. SO THE, THE DRIVER FOR THE PROJECT IS REALLY GETTING IT DONE BEFORE THAT LEASE GOES AWAY BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO DIVERT SOME FLOWS TO THE LONE BUTTE FACILITY, THEREFORE DECREASING THE AMOUNT OF BYPASS PUMPING THAT WE HAVE TO DO. SO THAT'S REALLY THE DRIVER, AND THAT'S WHY I SAY I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT FOR 20 YEARS. I'M NOT JOKING. SO, UM, IT'S TIME TO DO THE PROJECT. UM, OUR, OUR STAFF, OUR STAFF ENGINEERS HAVE WORKED EXTREMELY CLOSELY WITH THE CONSULTANTS AND THE CONTRACTOR TO COME UP WITH THE ABSOLUTE BEST AND AND LEAST IMPACTFUL WAY TO DO THIS. AND I SAY LEAST IMPACTFUL BECAUSE, UH, HERE WE ARE NOT EXCAVATING, WE'RE NOT TEARING UP THE ENTIRE ROADWAY. WE'RE NOT GOING IN AND REPLACING THE ENTIRE PIPE. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS AT SPECIFIC LOCATIONS, ABOUT EVERY 2000 FEET, WE'LL BE SETTING UP, UM, A FAIRLY LARGE, UH, INSTALLATION OF, UH, TRUCKS AND COOLING SYSTEMS. WATER, WATER PIPES AND, AND WATER SYSTEMS THAT WE CAN INFLATE THE 66 INCH LINER INSIDE OF THE, INSIDE OF THE SEWER PIPE. AND THEN IT HARDENS UP, UH, IT, IT CREATES A, A NEW LINER INSIDE THAT PIPE. AND THAT IS A MUCH, MUCH LESS, UH, TROUBLESOME, INVASIVE WAY TO DO A PROJECT LIKE THIS, AS OPPOSED TO EXCAVATING 30 FEET DOWN AND PUTTING IN A NEW PIPE. SO THIS WOULD GET, THIS WILL LAST BETWEEN 50 TO A HUNDRED YEARS. IT'S A VERY, VERY LONG LIVED, UH, SOLUTION TO, TO, UH, UH, PIPE RESTORATIONS. AND SO IT'S, IT'S TIME TO DO IT. UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS PROBABLY A SCHEDULE THAT WILL BEGIN, UM, IN JULY, UH, WITH SOME VERY MINOR EXCAVATIONS AND STARTUP AND, AND SETUP TYPE OF WORK. SO THERE'LL BE SOME POTHOLING, UH, WHICH IS EXCAVATION IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, POTENTIALLY TO FIND SOME, UH, UTILITIES, BUT MINOR, UH, IMPACT. AND THEN IN AUGUST, THE FULL, THE FULL PROGRAM BEGINS WHERE THEY'LL BE ROUTING ALL OF THE BYPASS PIPING. AND THAT BYPASS PIPING IS, IS SUBSTANTIAL. SO THEY'LL BE TAKING UP AN ENTIRE LANE DURING THIS PROJECT. INTERMITTENTLY WILL BE OCCUPYING WITH CONSTRUCTION TWO TO THREE LANES OUT OF THE SIX, UM, THREE NORTH, THREE SOUTH. SO WE'LL DO OUR ABSOLUTE BEST TO MINIMIZE THAT IMPACT. UH, AND IT'LL BE MOVING. SO THAT IMPACT IS GOING TO BE MOVING FROM NORTH TO SOUTH AS THEY, AS THEY WORK THAT WORK DOWN TO QUEEN CREEK ROAD. HOW MANY MONTHS? WELL, IT'S GONNA START IN, UH, THE, THE, THE BIG WORK WILL START IN AUGUST AND IT WILL CONTINUE, THE LARGE WORK WILL CONTINUE UNTIL OCTOBER OF 2025 WITH CLEANUP WORK AFTER THAT TILL SOMEWHERE IN JANUARY. AND I SAY CLEAN UP WORK, THAT'LL BE, UH, MAYBE SOME REPAVING STRIPING DOING SOME THINGS LIKE THAT TO JUST CLEAN UP THE RIGHT OF WAY. BUT THE MAJOR WORK SHOULD BE DONE BY OCTOBER, 2025. SO THE RESTRICTED LANE THEN WE WILL BE MOVING IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YOU'LL ACTUALLY MOVE THE RESTRICTED LANE, RIGHT? YES. AND, AND WE'LL TRY TO MINIMIZE THE WIDTH OF THAT RESTRICTION AS, AS THE, AS THE DIFFERENT, [00:15:01] UH, PROCESSES OCCUR. WE'RE INSTALLING NEW MANHOLES ALONG THE LINE AS WELL, SO WE'RE NOT JUST BAND-AIDING UP THE OLD MANHOLES, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING IN AND CUTTING IN NEW MANHOLES. AND THESE ARE, UH, POLYMER CONCRETE MANHOLES THAT ARE VERY, VERY LONG LIVED SO THAT WE CAN EXTEND THE LIFE OF THAT ARTERY, UH, AS, AS ABSOLUTELY LONG AS WE CAN IN THIS ONE, IN THIS ONE EFFORT. OKAY. WELL WE CERTAINLY WANT TO GET YOUR SLEEP IN UP THE NEXT, HOPEFULLY YOU GET THE SLEEP OF NEXT, UH, NINE MONTHS AND WELL ALMOST A YEAR, RIGHT? YES, . OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I, SO I, I, YOU'VE HEARD A COUPLE THINGS HERE. I, WE HAVE TO DO THIS, I GET THAT APPRECIATE AND, BUT ALSO WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME LANE RESTRICTIONS AND THE COMMUNICATION THAT'S GONNA GO OUT THROUGH ALL OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS IN THAT AREA, OR HOW'S THAT GOING TO WORK, JOHN? WELL, WE HAVE A, OUR CONSULTANT, OUR COMMUNICATIONS CONSULTANT AND HAVE ALREADY BEGUN SOME OF THAT, BUT WE'LL BE CONTACTING THOSE RES OR THE, THE BUSINESSES, UM, UH, PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH MAILERS, PHONE CALLS, YOU KNOW, DIRECT CONTACT WITH EVERYONE ALONG THAT, ALONG THAT ROUTE. AND THAT WILL BE A CONTINUING PROCESS THROUGH THE WHOLE PROJECT. AND WE ALSO HAVE A WEBSITE THAT WILL BE GIVEN, UH, TO EVERYBODY IN THE CITY ACTUALLY, THAT WILL, WILL UPDATE. UH, YOU CAN GO ON THAT AND FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY DAY TO DAY THERE'LL BE EMAIL BLASTS SAYS THING CHANGE, WHERE IF, IF YOU ALLOW IT, UH, AND, AND ALLOW YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS TO BE, UH, INPUT INTO THE SYSTEM, YOU'LL GET EMAIL BLASTS ON THE PROGRESS OF THE, OF THE, UH, PROJECT. AND IT WILL BE AN EXTENSIVE COMMUNICATION EFFORT. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON AND COUNCILMAN ELLIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, JOHN, THANK YOU. COULD YOU OUTLINE MAYBE SOME OF THE BENEFITS IN TERMS OF THE COST OF DOING THE PROJECT THIS WAY AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING IN A BRAND NEW PIPE AND MAYBE BOTH THE, IN TERMS OF THE COST TO THE TAXPAYERS AS WELL AS SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION TIMING AS WELL. UH, BECAUSE AREN'T THERE SOME ADVANTAGES TO THIS MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER POSTON? UM, YES, THERE ARE SOME GREAT ADVANTAGES TO THIS. FIRST THE ADVANTAGE IS, UM, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD FIND A PATH FOR ANOTHER PIPE. NUMBER ONE, THAT CORRIDOR IS EXTREMELY BUSY WITH NITROGEN LINES, UH, SOUTHWEST GAS LINES, ELECTRICAL LINES, THE UNDERGROUND 230 KV. THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT IN THAT, IN THAT SMALL I SMALL ROADWAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SIX LANE, WHEN YOU START TO EXCAVATE DOWN TO INSTALL A 66 INCH LINE, 30 FEET DEEP, YOU CAN IMAGINE, UM, IF YOU HIT BAD SOIL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A VERTICAL TRENCH LINE. IT MIGHT CUT BACK AND YOU MIGHT END UP TAKING, NOT EXAGGERATING, BUT THE ENTIRE ROADWAY, UM, WHEN YOU START GETTING DOWN THAT DEEP AND THAT LARGE. SO EVEN DOING A REPLACE TO REPLACE THAT PIPE IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION, IMAGINE THE PUMP AROUND, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE TO DO WITH WITH THIS PROCESS, THIS IN SITU LINING PROCESS WE'RE DOING. WE ALREADY HAVE TO DO THE PUMP AROUND, BUT ALL WE'LL BE DOING IS SETTING UP ABOUT EVERY 2000 FEET, SHOOTING THAT LINER, GETTING IT SECURED, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT, SHOOTING THE NEXT LINER. AND THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROGRAM THAN GOING IN AND EXCAVATING, PULLING OUT 66 INCH PIPE REINSTALLING. YOU CAN IMAGINE THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT PROCESS COST-WISE, UH, THE COST OF DOING, UH, A FULL RE-PIPE, MEANING EXCAVATION AND THE WHOLE THING WOULD BE WHEN WE'VE TALKED TO OUR CONTRACTOR, UH, I THINK CONTRACT WAS QUITE, UH, UM, UH, OPTIMISTIC WHEN HE SAID, UM, IT WOULD BE 80 TO A HUNDRED MILLION. I THINK IT WOULD BE DRAMATICALLY MORE THAN THAT BY THE TIME EVERYTHING WAS SAID AND DONE. BECAUSE THE OPTIMISTIC VIEWPOINT IS, UM, ALL THE GROUND IS STABLE. THE OTHER, UH, UTILITIES DON'T COME IN ON US AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE EXCAVATING AND, AND MOVING BY THEM. SO, UH, IT COULD EASILY BE AT LEAST DOUBLE AND MAYBE MORE THAN THAT. SO LARGE COST SAVINGS TIME-WISE. UM, I THINK DOING AN OPEN CUT TO PUT IN NEW PIPE, UH, THIS IS A YEAR-ISH PROJECT. I CAN IMAGINE, UH, AN OPEN CUT, UM, BY THE TIME YOU RESTORE THE STREET AND EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, IT COULD TAKE, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS PROBABLY PRETTY EASILY BY THE TIME YOU'D BE DONE WITH IT. OKAY. SO I THINK THE INSITU LINING, ALTHOUGH DIFFICULT, IT'S THE METHOD FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. RIGHT. BUT, AND THEN THE END RESULT IS PRETTY CLOSE TO A NEW PIPE. IT, IT REALLY IS BECAUSE OKAY. IN TERMS OF THE LENGTH OF IT'S, WHAT YOU HAVE IS ESSENTIALLY AN EPOXY LINED, AN EPOXY LINED PIPE WHEN YOU'RE DONE. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S REALLY ABOUT THE BEST YOU CAN GET. THANK YOU. THANKS MAYOR. COUNCILOR MORALES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION. CONSUMER REPORTS THEN, BECAUSE I WAS GONNA HAVE YOU COMPARE THE PROS AND THE CON AND SO NOW [00:20:01] THAT YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE PRO, WHAT ARE THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT? WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? I CAN IMAGINE IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS PROJECT RIGHT NOW IN THE TIMEFRAME, UM, AFTER 20 YEARS OF WAITING, I, I CAN IMAGINE WE'LL BE IN A LOT OF DO WELL NOW. I DIDN'T, I I USUALLY AM THE GUY THAT MAKES THE UTILITY JOKE AND I APPRECIATE YOUR . UH, IN, IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE TOMORROW, BUT AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE THE CONSTRAINT OF THE LONE BUTTE FACILITY LEAVING OUR, OUR, OUR USE IN 2027. AND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN WOULD BE IF WE PROTRACTED IT THAT LONG AFTER 2027, WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO UPSIZE OUR DISCHARGE PIPING OR OUR, UH, END AROUND PIPING AND OUR PUMPING SYSTEMS, WHICH WOULD INCREASE COST. WHAT WE'VE NOTICED OVER THE PAST YEAR IS THE PRICE OF THE PARTICULAR LINING PROCESS THAT WE ARE DOING, AND THE LINING MATERIALS THAT WE'RE USING IS ESCALATING, I THINK I WAS TOLD TODAY ABOUT 20% OVER THE LAST YEAR. SO IF WE CONTINUE ALONG THAT PATH, THE PRICE TAG OF 43 MILLION, WHICH IS A LOT, UM, WOULD STEADILY INCREASE. SO WE'RE, WE'RE FIGHTING, WE'RE FIGHTING BOTH OF THESE THINGS. APPRECIATE THAT, APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT, UH, YOU ARE ALSO TAKING ACCOUNT THAT, UM, THE PEOPLE OF CHANDLER DESERVE BETTER. AND AT THIS POINT, IT'S TIME FOR US TO BITE THE BULLET AND MOVE FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE THEM, YOU KNOW, A WAY TO, UM, BE ABLE TO GET THEIR WASTE OUT OF THEIR HOMES. WELL, AND THE DIFFICULTY WITH THIS LINE, IT IS A SINGLE, A SINGLE LINE. WE, THAT'S THE ONLY, ONLY OPTION WE HAVE. SO IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. IT NEEDS TO BE DONE RIGHT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COMMUNICATION. COMMUNICATION, RIGHT? YES, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. SO JOHN, WHAT QUESTION FOR ME, SO THIS, THE TERMINUS OF THIS IS THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT RIGHT THERE? OR WHERE DOES THIS END OR WHAT, WHAT IS BEYOND THIS? YES, MAYOR. THE WHERE WE'RE HEADING TOWARDS OUR OKT WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF, OF THAT LOCATION AT QUEEN CREEK AND PRICE ROAD. SO THAT IS WHERE THAT PIPE ENDS AND ENTERS THE TREATMENT PROCESS AT THAT LOCATION. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THESE? SEEING NONE, UM, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO CALLED IN. THAT CONCLUDES OUR STUDY SESSION ON THURSDAY. WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, AN ANNEXATION. WE HAVE A ACTION RELATED TO OUR DOWNTOWN CHANDLER ENHANCED MUNICIPAL SERVICES DISTRICT, AS WELL AS VOTING ON THE BUDGET. SO EXCITING MEETING ON THURSDAY COUNCIL, WE'LL SEE YOU ALL THEN. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.